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Off the top of my head, Siris easily fights off heavily armored things twice his size, and he can take them down quite easily. He’s got a really good durability feat in Infinity Blade 3. I’ll try to find it.
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infinityblade.wikia.com/wiki/Siris
His species:
infinityblade.wikia.com/wiki/The_Deathless
If the goal here is to permanently kill Siris than Link loses. Siris will just keep being reborn. Also Siris was the most powerful of his kind if iirc before he lost his memory. Intial bets say Siris wins this
@Private Khaos
I think FP has a rule where if you can reincarnate, its after a first death its a loss.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyCDAzlwSgE
At the end of the video in post #4 you can see that Siris died because of the fall into small pit. That’s pretty bad durability here.
Depends how quickly you reincarnate.
Depends on what gear we give Siris here is a factor too and what rings and gems is another factor as well. Some rings can give him healing spells, ice spells, and some gems can hurt enemies if he parries or blocks
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@Ragnorke
IIRC he reincarnates in less than 24 hours. Maybe even less than 12 hours
@Rookie
That could be attributed to the fact that he had just fought an evil version of himself and was taken by surprise.
Notice here:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp0y-HSvnZU
He easily brushes off being thrown by the dragon.
@nsl98
This is at least the second time you have suggested a match and then in the first five posts made it look like one side stomps. Why? What is the point of suggesting a match that you don’t think is remotely even.
What is the point of suggesting a match that you don’t think is remotely even.
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You saw the Master Chief vs Superman match right?
MC, Link, and briefly Eragon were all “punch-dummies” for a bit.
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MC is getting a sympathy backlash and people are actually bothering to defend him now instead of just trolling fanboys.
Eragon is mostly sitting in the wings now, his magic was getting him tossed against rather high-tier opponents and he wasn’t debated all that well for some of the matches I’ve seen.
Link is pretty much the ‘standard’ for medieval swordfighters. Can they beat a single version of Link? Alright, move them onwards to the higher tiers. Kratos briefly held this spot but Kratos is kind of weak according to this site.
@Ramkin
Whatcha talking about? Siris is basically a good Gannondorf and Link deals with him fine.
@nsl
If he is basically a good Ganondorf then can this be a horseback fight like TP had it?
@Friendlysociopath
Fair enough
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@nsl98
Never mind.
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“Siris is basically a good Gannondorf and Link deals with him fine”
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Links primary method of dealing with Gannondorf is “Evils Bane” there is ,One?, version Gannondorf that was killed without it (If you count Silver arrows as evils bane). I’m gonna assume Siris’s weakness’s arnt as specific as that. But if he is still as tanky as Gannondorf then Link can sit back and unload bomb arrows into him. though if he is as tanky as Gannondorf that probs still wont help.
@Ultimate
I don’t think Siris has ever ridden a horse in the games or book. Siris is accustomed to taking out entire fortresses of enemies in a short amount of time on foot.
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@Any Zelda Buff.
So, the Master Sword. Would it affect Siris with its Bane properties? One of his past lives, Ausar, was an evil mass murderer
I posted this recently in another thread.
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In TP, the strength feat that stands out for Link is the battle with Dangoro. I do not know the anatomy of Gorons, but I will assume here that Gorons have bodies made of rock. What type of rock is difficult to pin down. Death Mountain is a volcanic mountain. So we could be dealing with rhyolite, andesitic, or balsatic rocks. If we work with rhyolite, then your typical Goron could have a density of 2,180 kg/m^3 on the low-end. I’d say Link’s height is 5’7″, or 170.18 centimeters. This is equal to 195 pixels. (I had to assume the last portion, as it was off-screen, but it was only Link’s feet.) Dangoro is 358 pixels when he’s rolled up.
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I will take Dangoro’s body in a sphere and find the volume that way. Though Dangoro is not exactly a perfect sphere, and though there are empty spaces, I will take the total volume and use that to make up for the metal he’s wearing. Using Dangoro’s px. and dividing it by Link’s px. gives me 1.8358974358974359. Multiplying this by Link’s height gives me 312.433025641025641462 cm. Since I have this, I can find the volume of a sphere, which gives me 15,968,695.004169821546604759925 cm^3. Multiplying this by 2,180 kg/m^3, or 2.18 g/cm^3 gives me a mass of 34,811,755.1090902109715983766365 grams, which is equal to 34.81 metric tons.
@Mea
Using this pixel scaling technique of yours, do you think you could find out how much the Iron Butcher weighs?
infinityblade.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Butcher
m.youtube.com/watch?v=2AUNIFPuLt8
@nsl: “I think FP has a rule where if you can reincarnate, its after a first death its a loss.”
Not quite, IIRC. I believe the rule is if it takes a while to reincarnate. For example, if you can reincarnate in 5 seconds the fight goes on. But doesn’t Siris need a special chamber to reincarnate, anyway?
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@Mea: What did Link do to Dangoro? Did he lift him; block a swing; knock him over; etc?
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Also, 22 decimal places might be a bit much. It’s probably easier and simpler to just stick to about 3. Zeptograms aren’t required to calculate tonnes. It’s just kind of hard to read how big the number actually is with so many digits.
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Also, Siris can parry attacks from this: vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/infinityblade/images/f/fd/Wretchy.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20140919203856
Granted, he needs a Gem to do that. He likely doesn’t have that Gem here, but if he does…
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Also, he can parry this without any Gems:
vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/infinityblade/images/f/f9/KrakenShock.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20131028225328
vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/infinityblade/images/6/6f/Hulk.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140817230704
vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/infinityblade/images/d/db/Quart.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140823145447
vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/infinityblade/images/0/05/Ura.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140817231231
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And what equipment is Siris using? What’s shown in the pic?
Does Siris have a standard setup or is it entirely up to the player?
@Friendly
Its a decided usually by the player. Infinity Blade is an RPG after all. But Siris in this fight is in the Vile set.
infinityblade.wikia.com/wiki/The_Vile_Set
That includes:
Holy Band
Vile Blade
Vile Helm
Vile Armor
Vile Shield
Alright, so all I got out of that is the sword has the darkness element to it and the ring can steal health via ‘holy’ magic.
I’m not the biggest Zelda fan (actually rather dislike it) so I’ll let Ramkin inform you of what Twilight Princess Link can do.
“actually rather dislike it.”
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I’m curious as to why. Most people I know laude it all the time. I never really got into it either, I’m more of a Strategical game kinda guy and I like RPGs. Must be why I like Fire Emblem.
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I know TP Link is one of the better swordsman out of them all. How fast is he?
So Link apparently got shot out of a cannon and survived. I’d like to here more about this.
Let’s go triple post!
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I don’t recall any relevant speed feats for Siris. Link might have superior reaction times.
Also, Siris is pretty strong if he can take out these things:
infinityblade.wikia.com/wiki/MX-Hulk
infinityblade.wikia.com/wiki/MX-Goliath
Human cannons are not the same as normal cannons. This was brought up in another Link match too as some sort of durabilitu feat too.
@Neon Lord
How tough is Links magic armor in this incarnation then?
“@Neon Lord
How tough is Links magic armor in this incarnation then?”
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I have no idea as I have never played Zelda. I just remember reading the human cannon argument a while back and noting how they went on about it for ages as if it were important.
“so I’ll let Ramkin inform you of what Twilight Princess Link can do.”
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I didn’t really plan to hang around in this match, last time I joined a match where I didn’t know one of the participants I did a ton of reading and the that match still isn’t finished, but I suppose I can give a post or two with videos for link feats, will have to be later though at college at the minuet and most sites are blocked.
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“Human cannons are not the same as normal cannons”
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… what????
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“How tough is Links magic armor in this incarnation then”
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Makes him invincible as long has he has rupees. drains about 2 rupees per second while wearing it and I have been told it also drains a number per hit.
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“I just remember reading the human cannon argument a while back and noting how they went on about it for ages as if it were important.”
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He get fired thousands of feet into the air and lands on solid rock without a scratch. And while on the sky dungeon he gets fired out of another canon back down to the ground where he hits water, once again without a scratch. When he hits it he is going at least at terminal velocity, which would instantly kill anybody else.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_cannonball#Cannon
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And before/if it happens, I’m not going to be dealing with bullcrap “wikis aren’t sources”.
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“He get fired thousands of feet into the air and lands on solid rock without a scratch. And while on the sky dungeon he gets fired out of another canon back down to the ground where he hits water, once again without a scratch. When he hits it he is going at least at terminal velocity, which would instantly kill anybody else.”
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When I read about it in the other thread, it seemed the cannon was specifically designed and built for the purpose of human transportation to the moon or someplace like that. I dunno about the other feat.
“And before/if it happens, I’m not going to be dealing with bullcrap “wikis aren’t sources”.”
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Open source Wiki’s arnt reliable sources since anybody can edit them to be anything they like, for about a week when I was in high school the Wikipedia page for homosexuality was simply the word kevin
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Also I misunderstood, I thought you meant Human made cannons rather than some other mythical variety
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“When I read about it in the other thread, it seemed the cannon was specifically designed and built for the purpose of human transportation to the moon or someplace”
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The cannon in twilight princess is specifically designed to shoot you to the top of a nearby cliff, which is still a large amount of force and it doesn’t give you any method to decelerate.
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It was used to send link to the desert which is even further away and therefore requires even more force. And it was also used to send Link to the sky temple, which cannot be seen from the ground so its very, VERY high up.
Open source Wiki’s arnt reliable sources since anybody can edit them to be anything they like, for about a week when I was in high school the Wikipedia page for homosexuality was simply the word kevin
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Hey, that’s my name 😀
But in all honesty, wiki’s are pretty reliable nowadays. You can see the edit history of pages.
@Friendly
Your name being there is not a good thing.
@Ramkin: “Makes him invincible as long has he has rupees. drains about 2 rupees per second while wearing it and I have been told it also drains a number per hit.”
1) This sounds incredibly game-mechanicsy.
2) How many rupees does Link have?
1) This sounds incredibly game-mechanicsy.
2) How many rupees does Link have?
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I’m told the scale of the attack increases the on-hit cost for the armor, or maybe that was another Link’s magic armor… it’s hard when there are so many variations!
And I think Link can have 1,000 rupees in Twilight Princess.
“1) This sounds incredibly game-mechanicsy.”
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Well the whole thing is that the armour is so good that Link cant possible afford it, so he has to pay for every second he wears it, its essentially a rental. He can still drown though (That is how it was explained to me anyway. Ive never actually obtained it before so I don’t actually know)
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“2) How many rupees does Link have?”
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1000 rupees
Strength feats for link
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iwoAr58BDQ&t=8m32s
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iwoAr58BDQ&t=11m26s
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7tMYoBufxU&t=4m40s
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Some stopping power
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyiXfSvN0pE&t=22m50s
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Canon feat
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yne0H0wbaSU&t=1m27s
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY29nuVFVss
Would Siris’ strikes even faze Link if he has that kind of durability? Unless its all game mechanics. I mean, Link dies in his game from blows from monsters and other weapons, but then he survives that? One of it is game mechanics, and on isn’t. Not sure which though.
Links bombs routinely blow huge rocks into tiny bits but link takes tiny amounts of damage from them.
“Open source Wiki’s arnt reliable sources since anybody can edit them to be anything they like, for about a week when I was in high school the Wikipedia page for homosexuality was simply the word kevin”
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Anybody can look at the edit history and view older versions of the page, but nobody ever mentions that. It’s all about knowing how to use the interface.
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“It was used to send link to the desert which is even further away and therefore requires even more force. And it was also used to send Link to the sky temple, which cannot be seen from the ground so its very, VERY high up.”
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The thing is, the cannon is designed for trips to be survivable; most likely without any potential of hurt. It would kinda be pointless otherwise
Actually, turns out the canon that sends you to the sky temple and back is a are two completely different canons. And the one that sends you to the desert was not built to send people that far.
Actually, turns out the canon that sends you to the sky temple and back is a are two completely different canons. And the one that sends you to the desert was not built to send people that far.
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If it wasn’t built for that, how did Link get that far and survive?
“If it wasn’t built for that, how did Link get that far and survive?”
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And that, is why it is a durability feat.
That makes no sense. If it wasn’t built to send people that far, how did Link manage to get that far?
Personally I’m more tempted to call the canon “magic” and say that’s why Link survives. That’s just me though.
If it’s magic, is it Links magic or the cannons?
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And how vulnerable is Link to having some of his life force stolen? Does his magic armor protect him from that?
If it’s magic, is it Links magic or the cannons?
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Again, personal opinion, I say the cannon is the magic bit as Link is routinely harmed by lesser things.
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And how vulnerable is Link to having some of his life force stolen? Does his magic armor protect him from that?
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Not specifically, I don’t believe any enemy in Zelda actually steals your health.
So Siris casting Holy is a viable option then. It only takes a few seconds to recharge between uses
How do we reconcile the inconsistencies in Link’s durability? By that I mean separating the game mechanics from the lore. For example link gets damaged from really weak things like a monster slapping him in the game, but at the same time he survives stuff like the human cannon etc etc. Where do we draw the line?
Where do we draw the line?
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That’s the job of debaters son. If you can debate well enough to convince others Link’s durability does allow him the cannon feat, then it’s accepted. If you can’t convince others, the feat will not likely be taken as Link being that durable.
Citation needed for Post# 39’s claim that the cannon isn’t meant to shoot people by design. Shad heavily implies that shooting people up to the City in the Sky is exactly what the cannon’s purpose was.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6iEGAj69oA
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When Shad, who is heavily invested in studying the people from the Sky and so too was his father so he is a pretty well informer expert on the subject, sees the broken cannon he says:
“Link?!
How in blazes did you move that statue?! And…what’s this…
Amazing! Spectacular! This must be the Sky Cannon I read about in my father’s
notes!
I knew that my intuition was onto something when it led me here!
…But how can one use this to get to the City in the Sky?
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Stunning… I feel almost…nervous!
Just think, if we could get this to work, we could actually reach the City in
the Sky…”
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Again, just for emphasis, the moment he sees the Sky Cannon he instantly sees it as a means of transport rather than a weapon.
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The cannon that shoots Link back to the ground is the exact same type of cannon:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pNo_AptNPY
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So, yeah, what proof do you got that either cannon isn’t designed to shot people? As far as I can tell everyone expected it to be used for shooting people as a means of transport.
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“And how vulnerable is Link to having some of his life force stolen? Does his magic armor protect him from that?
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Not specifically, I don’t believe any enemy in Zelda actually steals your health.”
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In Zeldaverse are according to lore the heath gauge is Link’s Life Energy. The Magic Armor protects Link from damage. I’d hazard a guess that he would be protected.
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EDIT:
I should clarify about my guess on the Magic Armor.
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Link can still be pushed around, so he is receiving attacks. Those are hitting him, but he isn’t getting hurt. As far as I can tell, the TP Magic Armor is less like a force field and more like a “health sink” where injuries get applied to an abstract (your wallet) rather than you.
@OriginalA
“Link can still be pushed around, so he is receiving attacks. Those are hitting him, but he isn’t getting hurt. As far as I can tell, the TP Magic Armor is less like a force field and more like a “health sink” where injuries get applied to an abstract (your wallet) rather than you.”
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Based on the info that’s been provided on Siris, how long would the magic armor last against his strikes and spells? I recall on the PJ vs Link debate it was something like 8 min. of invulnerability.
“Citation needed for Post# 39’s claim that the cannon isn’t meant to shoot people by design.”
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post# 39??
“Actually, turns out the canon that sends you to the sky temple and back is a are two completely different canons. And the one that sends you to the desert was not built to send people that far.”
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Maybe what i said isnt very clear….
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The cannons that send you to and from the sky temple are not the same canon that is used by the mini game man. Its his canon that sends you to the top of the cliff, and his canon was built to get you to the start of the mini game. It was not built to send people to the desert, you have to give the mini game guy a letter from a friend, if i remember correctly, to convince him that shooting you to the desert is a good idea.
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If you meant #40 – #41. That is more referring to sending people a distance that it wasn’t designed for.
I recall on the PJ vs Link debate it was something like 8 min. of invulnerability.
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Not including being hit mind you, that’s assuming Link isn’t touched in that period of time if I remember correctly.
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Exactly how often can holy be used? And what would EC have it doing to Link? Stealing a specific chunk of health is too game mechanics based.
@Friendly
Its about a minute to a minute and a half IIRC. And as for EC, no clue, as Link has never encountered his life force being stolen. At least, to my knowledge he hasn’t.
So, no one ever answered my question about whether or not Evil’s bane would effect Siris.
So, no one ever answered my question about whether or not Evil’s bane would effect Siris.
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Well your entire point behind that was, “Siris was a mass-murderer in one of his past lives”
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So long as (current) Siris himself isn’t evil, then no, evil’s bane should not affect him.
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Now, if your question is “Is Siris evil?”
I don’t know Zelda enough to say what counts as ‘evil’ for them.
As far as I’m aware, “evil” in fiction is people who do wrong- usually for selfish reasons- and are not sorry about doing it.
Yeah, but he remembers his sins and was trying to make up for it by freeing the land from his tyranical species. Does the blade zero in on past sin and affect it?
Yeah, but he remembers his sins and was trying to make up for it by freeing the land from his tyranical species.
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If he accepts he did wrong as is trying to make up for it, he’s definitely not still evil.
@Friendly
Ok. It was brought up on Gabriel Belmont vs Link and I just wanted to make sure
Now THIS is why I come back to BankGambling. Cheers to Nsl98.
Siris’ Holy ring not only drains health, but he also recieves the health that he stolen, ergo, he uses your life.
Another fact is that Siris can parry strikes from gigantic people, bites from even-bigger monsters, and even magic projectiles, be it any element.
Proof of beating up monsters:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=LDAbx0Jr3OY
Pretty sure Link has better reflexes, cuz arrow arrow timing. I can’t for the life of me remember if anything actually shot at you in the Infinity Blade series.
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And wow, wasn’t expecting to see people that still play or know of Infinity Blade.
@Nsl98
Infinity Blade was the reason I overused my iPad until it broke.
Also, (sry 4 double post) Siris was shot in the head with an arrow in the beginning of Infinity Blade 2 by Isa because he was about to be permamently killed by the Infinity Blade by Raidriar (God King).
Being fair, he was tricked into putting the Infinity Blade as a key for something that GK got it.
@Parry Boy
Yeah, I just re-downloaded Infinty Blade II a few weeks ago. Best of the trilogy IMO. I take it you’re with Siris in this?
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So, he does have arrow timing reflexes then? And it was more of a laser crossbow. But I remember that scene. I remember thinking: “What a freakin traitor. I hope I get to fight her.” But then it all worked out
Actually, I’m neutral, but, Isa actually saved Siris.
@Parry Boy
And then they lived happily ever after, with a psychotic, reincarnated child. At least Siris can actually keep ahold of his woman. Link has to go find his.
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I’m personally of the opinion of a faster Link on this one. Siris has Strength and *maybe* durability, if Link don’t have Magic Armor on. Once it gets destroyed…
It’d be great to do a finishing move on Link. Especially the regular-type boss battles.
Seriously, Why TP link? he sucks. gear wise anyway…