A Fight to Change the World

A Fight to Change the World

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In a variant universe, the barriers between realities have broken due to a ritual that took place to shatter space and time.
The Crown Prince of Crime, Joker, has capitalized on this phenomenon to recruit partners in his attempt to take over all of creation. He arrived on Marvel Earth with his new-found allies and forced Tony Stark to flee from his Stark Tower in the company of the 11th Doctor- who was alerted to the weakening of the universal barriers when Master Chief accidentally rammed into the TARDIS while floating in space. The Joker and his allies enacted a powerful Logic Barrier around Marvel Earth, preventing the Doctor’s Team from returning until the final battle and stopping them from seeing any other point of time for Marvel Earth. Joker plots to destroy the entirely of the multiverse by initiating a ritual involving a sacrifice of a young female Goddess atop Stark Tower. The mere possibility of this ritual is what started the fracturing of reality.

Tony, Chief, and the Doctor traveled through time and space, dimensions and universes, reality and dreams, to recruit allies to stand against the Joker’s new army. Shenanigans ensued and many worlds were destroyed by the Joker’s forces and some valiant heroes were slain in support of the cause to bring the combined might of the Doctor’s forces back to Marvel Earth for the Final Battle. The Logic Barrier is one of a kind, it works by mind-rape, you know you cannot break through it or circumvent it- and so you cannot do so. Using the illogical Valvatorez, the 11th Doctor has formed a special counter to circumvent the Logic Barrier, christened by Valvatorez as “The Sardine of Golden Promises and Camaraderie”. The TARDIS emits this anti-logic barrier which allows the Doctor’s forces to remain on Marvel Earth in spite of the Logic Barrier. However, the TARDIS must dedicate the entirety of its power to this task and cannot be used in any fashion after landing. The TARDIS must be defended or else the Doctor’s forces will be rubber-banded back out of Marvel Earth’s universe and into the entropy that the rest of Creation has become. The TARDIS is neither invisible nor protected by barriers, it is for all intents and purposes, helpless. It’s also located near Madison Square Garden.

This scenario is going to be broken into 3 parts and 2 Teams, each part fights it’s opposite- The Doctor’s Offense is attacking the Joker’s Defense and vice versa, the Ultima battle is between the strongest fighters of each team. The ritual and Logic Barrier prevent any dimension jumping or time manipulation. Whichever team wins the most battles will win the scenario:
Teams: Team Doctor and Team Joker
Parts: Offensive, Defensive, Ultima

Ultima battle: Valvatorez (Disgaea) vs Lord Bills (DBZ)
Both are fighting around and through the city, most likely eventually ascending into space.

Team Doctor Offense- Their goal is to assault Stark Tower and save the Goddess. The Goddess is currently helpless so destroying the Tower is only an option if she will survive the destruction. The Joker has destroyed all of Tony’s suits.
Members:
11th Doctor (Dr. Who), Master Chief (Halo), Iron Man (Avengers 1 suit) [Riding in Machine-Gun Warthog]
Cloud Strife (FF7) and Sora (KH) [Riding Fenrir, Cloud has no materia]
Date Masamune (Sengoku Basara) and Misaka Mikoto (Scientific Railgun) [Riding Date’s Horse]
Team Joker Defense- Their goal is to protect the tower and ensure the Goddess is sacrificed by Joker, Joker is free to fight and is equipped with the best weapons he can find lying around Tony’s tower as of Avengers and that Joker can learn how to use.
Members:
Joker [Has summoned Bahamut SIN for his mount]
Boba Fett and Darth Vader (Star Wars EU)
Haruko (FLCL)
Spiderman and Link (Adult Link timeline) [Spiderman is mind-controlled, we’ll never know why Link is here as he’s mute]

Team Doctor Defense- Their goal is to protect the TARDIS to keep the anti-Logic Barrier from expelling them from Marvel Earth.
Members:
Seras Victoria (Hellsing)
Ryner Lute (Legend of Legendary Heroes)
Samus Aran (Metroid)
Ruby Rose (RWBY)
Maka Albarn + Soul (Soul Eater)
Edward Elric (Fullmetal Alchemist)

Team Joker Offense- Their goal is to destroy the TARDIS in order to dispel the Doctor’s Team from Marvel Earth.
Members:
Ganondorf (Adult Link timeline)
Mundus (Devil May Cry)
Heihachi (Tekken)
The Ultramarines
and the Brotherhood of Light forces from Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2

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255 Comments on "A Fight to Change the World"

  1. Rookie December 27, 2014 at 9:53 am -      #201

    So which team win for now?

  2. The Terror December 27, 2014 at 10:05 am -      #202

    “He dodges about 20 for each time he gets hit. And you know that damn well.
    He gets hit when he fucks up, because he isn’t perfect, and when the plot demands it.”
    That sounds very exaggerated and no matter how many times you show him dodge something there will always be times he gets by people slower than him and saying he ain’t perfect or the plot demands it isn’t going to sweep them under the rug. He has limitations and they are shown many times.

    “I love the fact that you’re trying to use the “You do know that…” thing on me.
    How many comics have you read in your life?”
    I’ve read the Zero Omnibus and First Omnibus for New 52 and anything else is on Youtube.

    “Also, that was his standard armor which he used pre-Marvel Now series started. Which is Mach 40+”
    Scan.

    “It does tell him what kind of danger actually, since he knew when Wolverine was going to hit him, and when Nightcrawler was going to hit him, since he talked to each of them specifically one at a time.”
    That is “when” not “what”.

    “And anyways, why does it need to be that specific?
    It gives him a warning of the direction, that’s more than enough to dodge it.”
    It does matter when he is shot by laser not from regular Cyclops or his ” I got into a fight with Spiderman that was filled with PIS ” or formally known as Phoenix Force form by someone with nearly perfect aim.

  3. The Terror December 27, 2014 at 10:06 am -      #203

    @Rookie
    I believe it is still team 1.

  4. Rookie December 27, 2014 at 10:09 am -      #204

    @The Terror

    “I believe it is still team 1.”

    I think so too.

    Also there will be no new match today it seems, right?

  5. The Terror December 27, 2014 at 10:10 am -      #205

    “Also there will be no new match today it seems, right?”
    Apparently.

  6. Friendlysociopath December 27, 2014 at 10:22 am -      #206

    @Terror
    It says it doesn’t exist

    Yeah, I changed one “and” to a comma and now it’s under moderation again. My bad. I didn’t think it’d go back under moderation after it posted.

    @Rookie
    So which team win for now?

    Team Doctor looks like it won the Ultima without much a protest.
    The Assault on Stark Tower and the Defense of the TARDIS are both still somewhat up for grabs. Spiderman not bound by CIS is a force to be reckoned with and neither Vader, Boba, or Link have been mentioned yet.
    As for the TARDIS defense… I think that falls into Team Doctor victory but it remains to be seen. I gave them a lot of crap to deal with :)

  7. Ragnorke December 27, 2014 at 10:23 am -      #207

    “That sounds very exaggerated ”

    It isn’t exaggerated at all.
    Do you have any idea how many times Spiderman has faced electro? Hundreds.

    ” and no matter how many times you show him dodge something there will always be times he gets by people slower than him and saying he ain’t perfect or the plot demands it isn’t going to sweep them under the rug”

    1. You mean like the hundreds of thousands of times that Superman got hit by street level things?
    2. You mean like the hundreds of thousands of times that Flash got hit… By anything…?
    3. You mean like the hundreds of thousands of times that Thor got hit by things slower than light?While enraged and going all out?
    4. You mean like the hundreds of thousands of times Silver Surfer got hit by slower things?

    It is more than enough to sweep it under the rug.

    “He has limitations and they are shown many times.”

    Those “limitations” are him holding back.
    His true “limits” are shown when he dodging fucking lasers.

    “It does matter when he is shot by laser not from regular Cyclops or his ” I got into a fight with Spiderman that was filled with PIS ””

    Yep, keep calling the 5 showings PiS, or CiS, or bullshit, or whatever you want.
    You’re in denial and you know it.

    Arguing against 1 visual scan is one thing, you’re arguing against five here.
    And NONE of your arguments hold any ground besides: “Hurr Durr they were all Cis or Pis”… Funnily enough, that EXACT same argument can be used against you.
    And it is being used against you. And you have no counter to it. So you’re just going in circles.

    “Scan.”

    i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff425/superbot400/Iron%20Man/Imagebot/K95P7.jpg

    Did i say Mach 40? Yea, it’s actually much faster.

  8. The Terror December 27, 2014 at 10:39 am -      #208

    “Those “limitations” are him holding back.
    His true “limits” are shown when he dodging fucking lasers.”
    He is holding his strength not his ability to dodge things.
    __
    “Yep, keep calling the 5 showings PiS, or CiS, or bullshit, or whatever you want.
    You’re in denial and you know it.”
    You didn’t even show scans.

    “Did i say Mach 40? Yea, it’s actually much faster.”
    I asked for a scan of Spiderman tagging him.

  9. Warlock Lowk December 27, 2014 at 11:20 am -      #209

    “Spiderman gets tagged multiple times by Electro in comics.
    12:49″

    Being affected by Black Cats bad luck powers.
    ===
    “ww.comicsrecommended.com/images/fourteen/spider-man-knights-003-hit.jpg”

    Can really dodge the water that is everywhere. Thats what Electro is using to conduct the electricity.
    ===
    “upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/35/Electro.pn”

    I don’t even know what this is supposed to be proving. What does the text say. It’s clear that spidey is worried about getting hit, he’s not even trying. That just a punch.
    ===
    “ww.comicsrecommended.com/images/fourteen/spider-man-knights-003-tough.jpg”

    The scan before it mentions the insulated boots. Again He’s not attacking spider-man. Not directly. He’s shocking the what he’s on. This is probably the only real instance in the lot where nothing seems to be imparing him other then Parker not being smart.
    ===
    Dodging electro again
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    again
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    and again
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11114/111142348/3909132-amazing+spider-man+002+(2014)+(digital)+(darkness-empire)+017.jpg
    And again
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4189457-avenging+spider-man+018-011.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4189456-avenging+spider-man+018-012.jpg

  10. Warlock Lowk December 27, 2014 at 11:29 am -      #210

    Here is Spidey dodging another lightning guy. This was at a point where he had lost his spider sense.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/2644042-1874697_asm_03.jpg
    ===
    “Tony’s reaction time has nothing to do with his armor.
    The base of every armor is surgically implemented in his nervous system.
    He has FTL reaction times with any armor. Although the armors don’t always keep up with it.”

    Woahwoahwoah… woah. When was this? Only time I recall anything being anywhere near that was at peak extremis level where it was doing adverse damage to his brain. That was only lightspeed. Before that he need suit assisted targeting to hit things like multiple super-hypersonic targets.

  11. wingedlion December 27, 2014 at 12:05 pm -      #211

    “Flash is a zillion times faster than light, yet gets hit by people barely FTL. Consistently.
    Superman is a billion times faster than light, yet gets hit by people barely FTL. Consistently.”

    And yet despite that, they still all have more consistent FTL speed feats than Spiderman.
    I repeat: At least superman and the like have consistent FTL feats. Spiderman only has one that’s contradicted by every other feat he has.

    If we gave every person in comics FTL reactions for One FTL feat thats contradicted every other feat they had, nearly everyone would be FTL.

    “Every comic book character in existence that’s FTL, has been hit with slower projectiles and slower characters, than the amount of times they dodge FTL projectiles and ftl characters.”

    Yes, but those characters at least had far more than just one LS speed feat, unlike Spiderman.

    “He was a scientist. That’s not an assumption.”

    You claimed this earlier. I asked for proof.

    “Narration has been consistently just as Hyperbolic and wrong as character statements.
    How can you say one of them is never proof, and that the other is always proof without a doubt?”

    Now i know your barely reading what i post. I never said that you can’t ever use character statements, i said you have to prove that we can take his word as fact. Please pay attention to my posts.
    As for narration, it’s impossible for narrartion to be wrong unless it’s contradicted by something else, as narration is omniscent. So yes, it is way better than character statements. As for it being hyperbole, we had this conversation before. You can tell when something is hyperbole or if its being explicitly stated.

    “I’m not saying claims are never hyperbole. They can be, IF you have reason to think so.
    You need to give reason.”

    It has never been on accuser to prove character statements are bullshit. Your the one claiming that they are fact. Burden of proof is on you to prove that it is. Character statements do not equal fact by defualt.

    “spiderman has dodged light speed attacks more than once. And CONSISTENTLY dodges 1/3rd the speed of light attacks like they’re nothing.”

    Once again, not lightspeed.
    Literally the only lightspeed attack he has dodged is Cyclop’s laser.

    “Which wingedlion and terror are arguing against for some reason, because apparently they don’t understand the concepts of Hyperbole & Occams Razor properly.”

    Your assumptions:
    1. Spiderman says they are lasers, therefore they are.
    2.The guy said they are lightspeed, therefore they are.

    My assumptions:
    1.Spiderman is mistaking energy beams to be lasers.
    2. The guy is talking out of his ass.
    How exactly does Occam’s razor support you?

    “Spiderman casually dodges electros blasts which are 1/3rd the speed of light, and usually only gets hit when he fucks up”

    Not lightspeed.

    “Spiderman dodged multiple blasts from a character “claiming” his lasers were the speed of light.”

    Claims are not evidence.

    “Spiderman tangoed with Thor, who has FTL speed & reactions.
    You could argue he didn’t want to use his FTL speed on a mortal, but you can’t control your reaction times.”

    Nearly everyone and their mother fights with Thor on earth. What exactly is your point? Do they have FTL reactions too?
    Hell, Thor himself has stated that he sometimes forgets just how powerful he really is.

    “Spiderman speedblitsed Ironman (who has lightspeed reaction time, and moves at around mach 40), and dodged his repulsor beams (which are the speed of light)”

    Proof on LS reactions. I don’t recall this. Also proof on repulsors being light speed.
    Also, isn’t the mach 40 thing only for flight speed? Did spiderman tag him when he was flying?

    “…Why is there any doubt that Spidermans precog is good enough to allow him to dodge things at the speed of light?”

    Because out of everything you just mentioned only one of those things is actually proof that he can do that.

  12. Warlock Lowk December 27, 2014 at 12:40 pm -      #212

    Also Rag right, Spider sense is a bit more then danger sense. It has been used to track trackers. Seems to freeze frame moments. Can detect suspicious behavior or at times if some one is watching him. Picks up on certain electrical signal.

  13. Ragnorke December 27, 2014 at 1:12 pm -      #213

    @Wingedlion
    “And yet despite that, they still all have more consistent FTL speed feats than Spiderman.
    I repeat: At least superman and the like have consistent FTL feats. Spiderman only has one that’s contradicted by every other feat he has.”

    Because they ARE faster than light themselves. Spiderman isn’t.
    He obviously isn’t going to have as many feats as them, because he simply isn’t as fast as them.
    But when his spider sense kicks in, he can dodge things the speed of light.
    He has FIVE feats (that have been posted so far), not one.

    “If we gave every person in comics FTL reactions for One FTL feat thats contradicted every other feat they had, nearly everyone would be FTL.”

    I NEVER SAID SPIDERMAN HAS FTL REACTIONS.
    Jesus christ i feel like i’m debating with a five year old.
    Precog son.

    And to be fair, Spidey has dodged lasers more times than he has been hit by them.
    And Spidey has dodged lightning more times than he has been hit by them.
    So your argument is totally invalid, and just flat out wrong.
    This isn’t a one time thing that contradicts all his other feats.

    Infact, i’d like you to find me a couple of instances of him getting hit by a laser.
    Goodluck.

    “As for narration, it’s impossible for narrartion to be wrong unless it’s contradicted by something else, as narration is omniscent.”

    Then Sentry has the power of a million exploding stars.
    WOAH.
    THAT’S A NICE BOOST FROM ALL HIS OTHER FEATS.
    HOLY SHIT.

    ” Character statements do not equal fact by defualt.”

    Unless i have a reason to think otherwise, yes they are.
    Claims + Visuals + Not having any contradictory evidence = usable evidence.

    “It has never been on accuser to prove character statements are bullshit.”

    Yes it has.
    YOU are calling something bullshit, without having ANY reason for doing so.
    YOU do not think the claim is true… For NO fucking reason whatsoever.
    You’re denying your duty caus you can’t fucking back your claims up with anything.

    “Once again, not lightspeed.”

    If you can casually dodge something 1/3rd of a speed, chances are you can dodge it at 1/1 of the speed, assuming it isn’t point blank.
    I can do the maths and prove it to you if you like.
    Heck we can even make a bet on it.

    “Claims are not evidence.”

    That only applies if it’s an off-panel feat. We can fucking SEE the Lasers here.
    Claims + Visuals + Not having any contradictory evidence = usable evidence.

    If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, is called a duck… And there’s NO FUCKING REASON FOR IT NOT TO BE A DUCK… then it’s a fucking duck.

    “Proof on LS reactions. I don’t recall this. Also proof on repulsors being light speed.”

    Ironman is pretty damn close to the speed of light. Scan was already posted.

    “Because out of everything you just mentioned only one of those things is actually proof that he can do that.”

    And why do i need more…?

    Superman only has one showing of him flying across a galaxy… Should we doubt his ability of replicating the feat?

    One feat is all that’s required for figuring out a characters upper limit.
    Everything else can be settled as CiS / Character holding back. And some of the lower end showings are just PiS.

    We assume characters are at maximum efficiency.
    Not average or minimum.
    ONE feat is all that’s needed, and unless you have valid reason as to why not, go fuck yourself.

  14. Ragnorke December 27, 2014 at 1:14 pm -      #214

    @Terror
    “He is holding his strength not his ability to dodge things.”

    Same can be said about Thor, Superman, & Flash.
    Now what genius?

    “You didn’t even show scans.”

    All the scans for everything i mentioned, i have already provided.
    Go fucking read the thread before saying something wasn’t posted.

    “I asked for a scan of Spiderman tagging him.”

    Then go back a page and fucking read it.

  15. wingedlion December 27, 2014 at 1:39 pm -      #215

    “Because they ARE faster than light themselves. Spiderman isn’t.
    He obviously isn’t going to have as many feats as them, because he simply isn’t as fast as them.
    But when his spider sense kicks in, he can dodge things the speed of light.”

    You don’t seem to understand what i am asking for. I’m not asking for feats of Spiderman actually moving FTL like Superman or Flash, i’m asking for more actual feats of dodging proven lasers.
    Claims literally mean nothing. You have only one actual feat.

    “Yes it has.”

    No, it hasn’t.
    Nowhere have claims ever been taken as fact by default.
    That’s never happened.

    “Then Sentry has the power of a million exploding stars.
    WOAH.
    THAT’S A NICE BOOST FROM ALL HIS OTHER FEATS.
    HOLY SHIT.”

    Really? And i’m the one acting like a 5 year old?
    Stop taking what i say out of context and actually read my post. I clearly said we should take the narration as fact unless it’s contradicted by something else. That is an example of what i’m talking about.

    “If you can casually dodge something 1/3rd of a speed, chances are you can dodge it at 1/1 of the speed, assuming it isn’t point blank.
    I can do the maths and prove it to you if you like.”

    Go ahead.

    “And why do i need more…?”

    Because one feat that contradict all of his other feats is just outlier. That’s PIS.

    “Superman only has one showing of him flying across a galaxy… Should we doubt his ability of replicating the feat?”

    It depends on if there are any feats showing that him going that fast is impossible and a contradiction. If it is, then yes we do dismiss it.

    “One feat is all that’s required for figuring out a characters upper limit.
    Everything else can be settled as CiS / Character holding back. And some of the lower end showings are just PiS.”

    One feat is never enough.
    Time and time again on BankGambling PIS was always acknowledged as those outlerish feats that contradict what the character’s limit is. The only way to show that it’s not PIS is for the character to show the feat over and over again. Doing it once or twice does not cut it.
    This has been done on BankGambling for a while now.

  16. Ragnorke December 27, 2014 at 1:41 pm -      #216

    A laser is a laser. And if there’s no reason to think otherwise, it’s the speed of fucking light.

    This is basically like a feat of someone flying faster than a jet, and you guys are claiming that the jet isn’t a real jet, and that it’s actually much slower.
    Despite it looking like a real jet, and being called a real jet, and having it’s speed pointed out (which is the same speed of a real jet).

    “But Hurr Durr claims aren’t Facts lol yolo swag!”
    ^ You guys.

    It isn’t an empty claim. It’s a claim supporting by visual evidence.
    If it’s called a laser, and looks like a laser… No one here has any reason to think otherwise.

    You think the dude is lying about CALLING it a laser? Without having anything to support why you think that…
    Yea, no, that’s the dumbest thing i’v ever heard, and i’m amazed this has gone on for as long as it has.

    Anyways, i’ll do the Lightning calcs now to prove Spiderman can actually dodge light… And goodluck following any of the calcs.
    I’m almost a 100% sure one of you is going to say something along the lines of “Nope, those calcs aren’t valid” despite not having any knowledge in Maths or Physics. *cough cough* CFT Lost *cough cough*

  17. Ragnorke December 27, 2014 at 1:49 pm -      #217

    @Wingedlion
    ” i’m asking for more actual feats of dodging proven lasers.”

    I don’t need to provide more.

    “Claims literally mean nothing. You have only one actual feat.”

    You & Terror are the only ones that think so.
    Find me where it says this in the Debating Rules page.

    “Nowhere have claims ever been taken as fact by default.
    That’s never happened.”

    Despite being supported by Visual evidence?
    Show me where it says that shouldn’t be accepted in the Rules page.

    Oh, no one else of BankGambling accepts it?
    Well you’re all fucking idiots then, caus the rules say nothing about it.

    “I clearly said we should take the narration as fact unless it’s contradicted by something else. ”

    It isn’t contradicted by anything though.
    Can you prove to me that Sentry is NOT capable of destroying a million stars?

    Of course you can’t, because that’s asking you to prove a negative claim.
    Kind of like asking me to prove why something is NOT hyperbole.
    Ironic isn’t it?

    “Because one feat that contradict all of his other feats is just outlier. That’s PIS.”

    There’s five feats with the potential of being just as good.
    You’re calling em all PiS blindly.
    Why should i accept that? No gtfo.

    “It depends on if there are any feats showing that him going that fast is impossible and a contradiction.”

    Where’s the contradiction of Spiderman being able to dodge lasers?
    He dodges them more often than he gets hit by them.
    So wtf are you talking about?

    Do NOT even try to say it’s because he gets hit by slower things.
    Just don’t. I swear to god i will laugh out loud if you do.
    It’s ridiculous how many times i’v had to explain that to you & terror.

    “One feat is never enough.”

    Rofl.
    Welcome to the world of comic books.
    One feat is more than enough.
    Find me the rule that says more than one is needed.

    “Time and time again on BankGambling PIS was always acknowledged as those outlerish feats that contradict what the character’s limit is”

    Except Spiderman dodges them more consistently then he gets hit by them.
    It isn’t outlerish to anyone besides you & terror, since clearly neither of you know the first thing about comic books.

    “Doing it once or twice does not cut it.
    This has been done on BankGambling for a while now.”

    This isn’t giving me proof from the Rules page… This is giving me your useless opinion, which i don’t give a rats ass about.

  18. Commander Cross December 27, 2014 at 2:13 pm -      #218

    Is Devil Survivor 1 + 2 vs Full Metal Alchemist a fair fight if we bar some of the heavy-weights on both sides?(The Great Will and Lucifer notwithstanding that is?)

    Or is Devil Survivor 1 + 2 vs The Power Six better?

    —-

    So now we have Spider-Man vs Sora but no talks on which versions or incarnations of Spidey we’re using, and we’re probably stuck with the Kingdom Hearts 2 incarnations of Sora it seems.

  19. The Terror December 27, 2014 at 2:14 pm -      #219

    “This is basically like a feat of someone flying faster than a jet, and you guys are claiming that the jet isn’t a real jet, and that it’s actually much slower.”
    First, that is messed up so I recommend you fix it. Second, we see its jet, it is called a jet, and it is real life. It is a jet.

    ““But Hurr Durr claims aren’t Facts lol yolo swag!””
    You said it yourself. Claims are not facts without proof. If Reed Richards said he could move faster than lightning and he had no proof I wouldn’t believe him. If an omniscient character who cannot lie did the exact same thing I would believe him. Peter Parker and that villain are not omniscient or could never lie and have no proof for that feat which means I can say that is a hyperbole.

    “You think the dude is lying about CALLING it a laser? Without having anything to support why you think that…
    Yea, no, that’s the dumbest thing i’v ever heard, and i’m amazed this has gone on for as long as it has.”
    I don’t think anyone has said its not a laser… by a comic”s definition. There are tons of lasers in fiction that are not light speed, so if someone in fiction says it is light speed we need proof like it actually hitting some one who can move light speed running at full speed. ( it is an example)

  20. The Terror December 27, 2014 at 2:21 pm -      #220

    @CC
    2nd option.

  21. Ragnorke December 27, 2014 at 2:21 pm -      #221

    I’m going to go ahead and assume the lightning is traveling at 1/4th the speed of light, just to be generous.
    /
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/2644042-1874697_asm_03.jpg

    Low-end distance: 3 meters away.
    Speed: 7.5e+7
    T = 3 / 7.5e+7 = 0.00000004

    C (light) = 3e+8
    Required distance to successfully dodge: VxT = 3e+8 x 0.00000004 = 12m

    Two things worth noting that make Spidey alot more impressive:
    1. He didn’t have his Spider Sense here.
    2. Electricity has conductive properties, it twists and turns if any charges nearby can attract it (like living things).
    Dodging it requires about 2-3 times the amount of distance that dodging a straight beam of light requires. (assuming the initial “bolts” are the same width, which they usually are)
    /
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11114/111142348/3909132-amazing+spider-man+002+(2014)+(digital)+(darkness-empire)+017.jpg

    Here electro discharged lightning in every direction, and spiderman was only what appears to be a meter away.
    Yet he didn’t get hit by any.

    T = 1 / 7.5e+7 = 1.3e-8

    C (light) = 3e+8
    Required distance to successfully dodge: VxT = 3 / 1.3 = 2.3m

    ^ that is assuming Spiderman only dodged ONE lightning bolt.
    When he actually dodged at least three (if not 5 or 6)
    Which would put the required distance to dodge Light at 0.8m (assuming he only dodged three lightning bolts and not more)

    ^ that’s without considering the fact that dodging electricity requires you to cover 2-3 times the amount of distance that dodging a Laser requires.
    If we take that into consideration, tje required distance to dodge light goes down to 0.32m.
    /
    Now to be fair, those were assuming Spidermans reflex time increases as the speed of the projectile increases, which isn’t the case.
    So if we assume his reflex time to be consistent throughout, we would need to multiply the time by four, since Light is assumed to be four times faster than lightning.

    This means it would take Spiderman 4 times longer to begin reacting, and would thus increase the required distance by a proportionate amount.
    (This is if we assume dodging lightning is the ABSOLUTE limit of his reaction times, which is complete and utter bullshit)

    That means spiderman can successfully dodge a projectile the speed of light as long as he’s 1.28m (0.32×4) away from its point of origin.
    Which is actually incredible, since 99% of the time he wouldn’t be that close to anyone.
    /
    Worth noting that the final result (1.28m) is still low-end, since:
    1. We considered lightning to be 1/4 instead of 1/3
    2. We assumed dodging lightning was the peak of his reflexes.

    All in all, Spiderman can dodge light speed attacks.
    And this is WITHOUT taking into account the feats that actually involved Light attacks, one of which (Cyclops feat) is proof enough to begin with.

  22. Cpt. Cato Sicarius December 27, 2014 at 3:00 pm -      #222

    “So which team win for now?”

    I think the Doctor team wins at Stark Tower and ultima, but in my honest opinion, the Ultramarines, Ganondorf and the rest will murder the doctor defense team. Still, it could go both ways, but I haven’t seen any arguments for the defense team yet (seriously, everyone is just arguing about Spideys FTL).

  23. Friendlysociopath December 27, 2014 at 3:08 pm -      #223

    Okay- NOW the 1st Episode is up and I’m not touching a damn THING for a while.

    www.factpiletopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=148601

    Anything in *asterisks* is something I’m hoping someone can give me more solid info on.

    So now we have Spider-Man vs Sora but no talks on which versions or incarnations of Spidey we’re using, and we’re probably stuck with the Kingdom Hearts 2 incarnations of Sora it seems.

    It’s the best of both worlds for Sora at the moment. He has access to all of the magic and extra techniques he had in 3DS and he still can use his drive forms.

    Also, I don’t really get how you guys are so stuck on the Spiderman dodging lightning and such.
    Yes, he gets tagged every now and then- that just implies he’s not perfect, it doesn’t mean he’s not fast enough to do it.

  24. The Terror December 27, 2014 at 3:11 pm -      #224

    “I’m going to go ahead and assume the lightning is traveling at 1/4th the speed of light, just to be generous.”
    1. No
    2. www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M

    “Its can depend on air conditions, but the typical lightning bolt moves at 224,000 mph — or about 3,700 miles per second. However, the light you see from the lightning obviously travels at the speed of light, which is roughly 670 million mph, or 186,000 miles per second.”
    186,000/4=46500
    lightning bolts are travel 1/50.2702702703 the speed of light.

    My advice: redo it.

  25. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 27, 2014 at 3:30 pm -      #225

    So, by the Goddess do you mean this Goddess:

    img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060904223414/marveldatabase/images/f/fa/Goddess_(Earth-616).jpg

    or some random character that I’ve never heard of.
    =
    Side note, this match is a giant cluster fuck. Holy shit.

  26. The Terror December 27, 2014 at 3:31 pm -      #226

    @Friendly
    YAY!
    it is out finally.
    For some of the parts your unsure about.
    “blasts of energy from his fists” = repulsor rays or beams.

    “energy blasts”= same as above or lasers ( cause that is what Boba would think it is)

    “some # of pounds”= I think 3 is a good number.

  27. Ragnorke December 27, 2014 at 3:50 pm -      #227

    @Terror
    “Its can depend on air conditions, but the typical lightning bolt moves at 224,000 mph — or about 3,700 miles per second. However, the light you see from the lightning obviously travels at the speed of light, which is roughly 670 million mph, or 186,000 miles per second.”

    You got this from a site called “komonews.com/weather”
    And you have the balls to laugh at me?
    The very same people say: “Lightning bolts move at incredible speeds. As for the exact speed, while researching the question on the Internet, we’ve found conflicting answers, ranging from the speed of light to several thousand miles per second.”

    Yea, sounds incredibly reliable.
    Legit as fuck.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning
    Wikipedia > your laughable attempt at proving me wrong.

    ” a massive electrical discharge follows. Neutralization of positive surface charges occurs first. An enormous current of positive charges races up the ionic channel. This is the ‘return stroke’ and it is the most luminous and noticeable part of the lightning discharge.
    The rate at which the return stroke current travels has been found to be around 1×10^8 m/s”

    ^ it says 1 x 10^8 m/s.
    Light is 3 x 10^8 m/s (or 2.99)
    Know what that means genius?

  28. Ragnorke December 27, 2014 at 4:00 pm -      #228

    @CH
    It isn’t really a cluster fuck.
    Spiderman has atleast 5 feats that have the potential to be light speed projectile dodging.
    And has over a hundred feats that show lightning speed projectile dodging. (which is 1/3rd the speed of light)

    Yet wingedlion & terror are on the “Spiderman can’t dodge light speed attacks caus i say so” train.

  29. Friendlysociopath December 27, 2014 at 4:03 pm -      #229

    @CH1 name too long to type

    or some random character that I’ve never heard of.

    Eh, she’s more of a plot device for this scenario- not a real character. The picture I used is Anastasia Valeria from Wild Arms 2- but that was because it was the sort of image I wanted.

    Side note, this match is a giant cluster fuck. Holy shit.

    I aim only to please.

    @Terror
    “some # of pounds”= I think 3 is a good number.

    That’s supposed to be the combined weight of Tony and his Mark VII armor.

    @Rag
    Out of curiosity, wouldn’t Spiderman have to at least break the sound barrier to move quickly enough to dodge those attacks?

  30. wingedlion December 27, 2014 at 4:14 pm -      #230

    “This isn’t giving me proof from the Rules page”

    “PIS is known to be a plot device to alter and/or otherwise give a combatant advantages or disadvantages that are not considered to be part of his/her standard power set or equipment. These are not to be used in battles unless they are specifically addressed by the scenario, or are otherwise associated with the combatants current incarnation.”

    From rule 8.
    Spiderman dodging actual lasers is not standard for him, and it’s contradicted by other feats. That’s PIS.

    In addition, Matapiojo, who along with others made the rules, clarifies PIS even further:
    “An event being repeated numerous times is in fact the opposite of the deffinition of PIS.”
    -Matapiojo, post 110, Captain America vs Sub-Zero.

    And here he uses Cap’s shield as an example:

    “Right, but what I am saying is that there comes a point where PIS becomes canon if repeated enough times. The shield has absorbes heat, sound, and kinetic energies often enough to elevate the properties from PIS to actual item attributes. Other energy absorbtions may still be arguable as PIS, but those three (and cold may be argued with heat as it is a shift in temperature) are as part of the thing as its indestructability, and perfect circular shape.
    Can the shield tank extreme temperatures? Yes.
    Can the shield tank extreme kinetic force? Yes.
    Can the shield tank sonic attacks as well as generate less impact reverbs? Yes.
    Can the shield tank Godblasts? Yes, but possible PIS.
    Can the shield tank Power Cosmic blasts? Yes, but possible PIS.
    Can the shield dissipate webbing attacks via its reduced friction surface? Yes, but possible PIS.
    The differences in those lie in the amount of times the shield has been seen doing said feats. The first three are seen many times over, while the others may have been seen once or twice at best.”
    Matapiojo, post 116. Captain America vs Sub Zero.

    All in all, unless you have multiple confirmed examples of him dodging lasers, once or twice isn’t enough.

  31. Ragnorke December 27, 2014 at 4:29 pm -      #231

    @Friendly
    “Out of curiosity, wouldn’t Spiderman have to at least break the sound barrier to move quickly enough to dodge those attacks?”

    Nope.
    You need to keep in mind that the actual projectile, whether it be Laser or Lightning, is Thin.
    Dodging it does not require you to be even remotely as fast as it.
    It only requires you to take ONE step (or twitch) to the left or right, before it reaches you.

    If i were to calculate spidermans Speed/Velocity during those feats, it would be something like 5 m/s, or less (which is still Superhuman though).
    A high top speed is unnecessary to perform a feat like this.

    What feats like this really need, is one thing:
    Acceleration.
    Isolated Acceleration, to be more specific.

  32. Ragnorke December 27, 2014 at 4:32 pm -      #232

    @Winged
    “PIS is known to be a plot device to alter and/or otherwise give a combatant advantages or disadvantages that are not considered to be part of his/her standard power set ”

    None of that applies here. Not one word.

    “Spiderman dodging actual lasers is not standard for him, and it’s contradicted by other feats. That’s PIS.”

    It is totally standard. And i’v proven it.
    He has more instances of him dodging light/close to light speed attacks than instances of him getting hit by them.

    Stop fucking ignoring that fact just because you have no valid response to it.

    “All in all, unless you have multiple confirmed examples of him dodging lasers, once or twice isn’t enough.”

    How about a hundred times?
    Now gtfo.

  33. wingedlion December 27, 2014 at 4:36 pm -      #233

    “It is totally standard.
    And i’v proven it.”

    No you haven’t.
    You have at most two pieces of evidence.
    The calc, and Cyclop’s lasers.
    Every other feat you’ve posted about it requires assumptions, is misinterpreted, or isn’t clarified.

  34. The Terror December 27, 2014 at 4:54 pm -      #234

    @Ragnorke
    www.animevice.com/forums/off-topic/32/how-fast-is-lightning/322770/
    www.maine.gov/mema/prepare/prep_display.shtml?163524

  35. Ragnorke December 27, 2014 at 5:09 pm -      #235

    @Winged
    “The calc, and Cyclop’s lasers.”

    The calc can EASILY be applied to every Electro dodging feat there is, and there’s hundreds of em.

    Sure they won’t all turn out with Spidey being able to dodge Light at almost point blank (1m), but they’ll ALL be around 1-20 meters tops.

    “Every other feat you’ve posted about it requires assumptions, is misinterpreted, or isn’t clarified.”

    You’re in denial.
    I have no need to prove anything further to you. And you’re delusional if you think i do.

    Iv offered more than enough proof, where as you’re still denying it with NOTHING to back up your claims besides “lol Pis”

    @Terror
    “www.animevice.com/forums/off-topic/32/how-fast-is-lightning/322770/”

    This is a random forum where random people were giving their random opinions.
    One dude mentioned Wikipedia, and i’v already posted and quoted that.

    “www.maine.gov/mema/prepare/prep_display.shtml?163524″

    This literally just supports what i said:
    “The return stroke (the current that cause the visible flash) moves upward at a speed of about 320,000,000 ft per second or about 220,000,000 miles per hour (about 1/3 the speed of light)”

    The “return stroke” is the actual electric discharge.
    I already quoted wikipedia to explain it to you.

    Clouds need to make a channel with the ground first, which is sorta slow (320,000 ftps), the process eventually leads to the discharge, which is the “lightning” that we think of when discussing Lightning.
    In this case, we skip immediately to the Discharge, which is the only visible, dangerous, and relevant part of a bolt.
    The Discharge (return stroke, when dealing with clouds), is always 1/3rd the speed of light.

    I QUOTED WIKIPEDIA FOR A REASON DAMN IT.
    I shouldn’t have to be explaining this to you.

  36. wingedlion December 27, 2014 at 5:18 pm -      #236

    “You’re in denial.”

    I’m really not.

    “Iv offered more than enough proof, where as you’re still denying it with NOTHING to back up your claims besides “lol Pis””

    Then you clearly did not read my responses to those feats. I had a different reason for questioning each of those feats, some of which you have yet to answer. PIS was just icing on the cake.

    “The calc can EASILY be applied to every Electro dodging feat there is, and there’s hundreds of em.

    Sure they won’t all turn out with Spidey being able to dodge Light at almost point blank (1m), but they’ll ALL be around 1-20 meters tops.”

    Eh, fair enough then. Still don’t see how this saves spidey from Sora’s magic.

  37. The Terror December 27, 2014 at 5:21 pm -      #237

    @Ragnorke
    You did see multiple links right?

  38. Ragnorke December 27, 2014 at 5:24 pm -      #238

    @Winged
    “Eh, fair enough then. Still don’t see how this saves spidey from Sora’s magic.”

    You really think i was debating because i give a shit about this match? :P

    I was trying to prove my point without resorting to calculations, because i know pretty much no one here is ever bothered to properly read, question, or follow them.

    I knew spiderman is capable of light dodging without the need for any scans other than the old electro comics iv read.
    And i knew what the result of those calcs would be right off the bat, before i even started.

  39. Ragnorke December 27, 2014 at 5:31 pm -      #239

    @Terror
    “You did see multiple links right?”

    You posted 2 links. The second link supported what i said, and i went rather in-depth to explain it to you.

    The first link you posted, contains these 4 links:

    1.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning
    Which i already posted. It supports what i said, that it moves at 1/3 the speed of light.

    2. wiki.answers.com/Q/How_fast_does_lightning_travel
    Wiki answers is never a reliable source. It’s practically just a forum.
    The “answer” is posted by some random guy, who basically copy pasted what “komonews” said (which was your first link), which is actually laughable.

    3. www.komonews.com/news/archive/4082461.html
    You posted this earlier. And i already went over why it’s stupidly idiotic.

    4. www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/wea00/wea00189.htm
    This supports what i said. Infact it goes as far as to say it can go up to 1/2 the speed of light, not just 1/3.

    Anything else Mr. Lightning Bolt?

  40. The Terror December 27, 2014 at 5:50 pm -      #240

    @Ragnorke
    2 and 3: Just so you know, “The very same people say: “Lightning bolts move at incredible speeds. As for the exact speed, while researching the question on the Internet, we’ve found conflicting answers, ranging from the speed of light to several thousand miles per second.”” doesn’t sound like you proved it wrong.

    4. it also says it is usually a lot less than that.

    “Mr. Lightning Bolt”
    You mean
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=sklto4QOukQ
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJECmFgXaSk
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YlthdtB1jw

    Seeing how he is almost as cool as me I can why you confused him with me.

  41. Ragnorke December 27, 2014 at 6:16 pm -      #241

    @Terror
    “doesn’t sound like you proved it wrong.”

    I don’t need to prove it wrong, because it isn’t a reliable source to begin with.

    It’s basically a journalist saying: “I know nothing about this topic… So i checked on the internet… And i found a bunch of different answers… But here’s the answer that i think is correct”

    You expect me to agree with that over Wikipedia?
    I hope you’re joking.

    ” it also says it is usually a lot less than that.”

    Yea. A lot less than 0.5 the speed of light is 0.3 the speed of light.

    Wikipedia > all of these anyways.
    It sources & references all its Data from multiple published books, rather than people posting their opinions on question/answer websites without sourcing anything.

  42. The Terror December 27, 2014 at 6:22 pm -      #242

    @Ragnorke
    There is a reason why you should not Wikipedia for information. Anyone can edit the articles. It doesn’t matter if they have references if I can simply change it however I like.

  43. Ragnorke December 27, 2014 at 7:08 pm -      #243

    @Terror
    “There is a reason why you should not Wikipedia for information. Anyone can edit the articles. It doesn’t matter if they have references if I can simply change it however I like.”

    Moderators would fix it within minutes.
    Specially on a topic as fact/science based as “Lightning”

    That isn’t the reason why we don’t use Wiki on BankGambling.
    As far as Facts go, Wiki is probably THE most reliable source, even on this site.
    Because anything written can be traced back using the references.

    Using Wikipedia for fights or feats is what’s not accepted.
    Since it can often write things out of context, without having the full scan to go with it, it simply isn’t good enough proof.

    That isn’t the case here at all. This is science, not fictional characters.

    Wikipedia is a trillion times more reliable than the bullshit you’v posted.
    And no one here has any reason to accept the statement of a news reporter from Komonews saying he “searched on the internet” (wow, very specific).

    The wiki page i posted has more information than you would be able to write after a life time of researching “lightning”.
    It goes into excruciating detail on every single aspect of the word.
    Don’t even try to say it isn’t reliable here, unless you have the knowledge needed to factually disprove it.

  44. Neon Lord December 27, 2014 at 8:08 pm -      #244

    ““There is a reason why you should not Wikipedia for information. Anyone can edit the articles. It doesn’t matter if they have references if I can simply change it however I like.”

    This is a stupid argument against Wikipedia, wikis, and wikias in general.
    A: Moderators exist for a reason.
    B: If you don’t trust the info so much, then check the page history of edits. They show exactly what is changed every single time.

  45. Friendlysociopath December 27, 2014 at 8:40 pm -      #245

    Hey Rag, as a connoisseur of comics, can you give me a ballpark estimate of how much Tony weighs with his armor on?

  46. Warlock Lowk December 27, 2014 at 8:42 pm -      #246

    Didn’t someone ask if repulsors was lightspeed?
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/4228056-2267150898-Comic.jpg

  47. Warlock Lowk December 27, 2014 at 9:52 pm -      #247

    @Friendlysociopath
    Marvel bio says around 400 something pounds. Might be less with his recent morphing armors though.

  48. Friendlysociopath December 27, 2014 at 9:58 pm -      #248

    @Warlock
    OK thanks

  49. Friendlysociopath December 27, 2014 at 10:29 pm -      #249

    For the record, I’m making any changes to the Episodes on my personal copy- I don’t feel the need to put it back under moderation every time I change something.

  50. Aelfinn December 27, 2014 at 11:24 pm -      #250

    There appears to be a magical word everyone seems to be forgetting: aim-dodging. I don’t need to have FTL reactions to dodge lasers if I know exactly where the laser-gun is going to be pointing. I just need to move faster than the person firing the gun is going to react. Spiderman is fast, no doubt about that, but if his Spidey-sense tells him where the evil scientist is going to be pointing the gun, he just has to get out of the way before evil-man pulls the trigger. In some cases, he wouldn’t even need Spidey-sense. He would just have to know “straight line from end of gun = pain…stay away from where gun is aiming”. Nigh-impossible for a normal human to do regularly, but it doesn’t require FTL reactions either.

  51. Ragnorke December 28, 2014 at 5:28 am -      #251

    @Aelfinn
    I’m aware.
    Iv said atleast 10 times that it is not a reaction feat, and that it’s due to aim-dodging and his spider sense.

    The argument was whether he’s capable of doing it or not to begin with.
    Wingedlion and terror were calling them Pis or Hyperbole. I was trying to prove that it’s been done.

    @Lowk
    “Didn’t someone ask if repulsors was lightspeed?”

    Oh lowk. You’re my hero.

  52. Aelfinn December 28, 2014 at 3:12 pm -      #252

    “Iv said atleast 10 times that it is not a reaction feat, and that it’s due to aim-dodging and his spider sense.”

    It was very much coming off that you were arguing for FTL reactions. I apologize if you weren’t.

  53. trexalfa December 29, 2014 at 8:39 am -      #253

    Has the team that is trying to destroy the TARDIS even got the feats to scratch the paint?

  54. Friendlysociopath December 29, 2014 at 10:19 am -      #254

    Has the team that is trying to destroy the TARDIS even got the feats to scratch the paint?

    They don’t really have to. The TARDIS door isn’t locked, all they have to do is get inside.

  55. FezzesRCool11 January 4, 2015 at 1:17 am -      #255

    And then destroy the damn thing. Have fun with that when you can’t attack. Also, Ultramarines are no pushover. Especially if we are still taking Matt Ward The Fluff Raper’s word on Ultramarines power levels.

    On the assault on Stark Tower, If there is a stalemate initially, there is the fact that The Doctor is there and surrounded by state of the art tech. Sure, the suits are destroyed, but there should still be a ridiculous amount of tech in there. This is Stark Tower we are talking about. If so, then The Doctor has been stated to do something along the lines of fixing a star empire’s flagship with ‘chewing gum, a few toothpicks, and a rubber ball’, or something like that. That’s from one of the audios. I will trawl through my collection and correct it when I can. In other words, fuck knows WHAT the Doctor could rig up given a little bit of time. Also he has actual plot armour. Several explanations. He can see all the timelines and how they could play out, then force himself into it. The universe doesn’t want him to die (That’s one I’m not too sure about.). His subconscious can go forward in time and subtly alter the future to play out in the Doctor’s favour, so don’t ask.

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