Master Chief Vs American Dragon

Master Chief Vs American Dragon

Suggested by Nsl98

Why not?

Master Chief (Halo) faces off against the American Dragon (Disney)

They fight on Wall Street.

Who wins?

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115 Comments on "Master Chief Vs American Dragon"

  1. The Ultimate Overlord January 2, 2015 at 6:18 am -      #1

    First

  2. Rookie January 2, 2015 at 6:22 am -      #2

    Feats for Master Chief?

  3. The Ultimate Overlord January 2, 2015 at 7:04 am -      #3

    “Feats for Master Chief?”
    Splazor
    Largest number of fanboys I’ve ever seen.
    Initials are MC which means no matter where he is he has main character status.
    The ultimate whipping boy.

    I think that is everything I know about him.

  4. Neon Lord January 2, 2015 at 7:09 am -      #4

    Can people stop with the idiotic first posts? The only achievement you get is the look-like-a-dork achievement.

    Is the dragon bulletproof? If not, I don’t see it lasting past the first 15 seconds. Master Chief is accurate to fill it with bullets in that time. Unless it has magic powers or something.

  5. The Ultimate Overlord January 2, 2015 at 7:19 am -      #5

    “Can people stop with the idiotic first posts? The only achievement you get is the look-like-a-dork achievement.”
    I feel like it’s an honor to get a first post in something. Also, people’s reaction to it are usually funny.

  6. Ragnorke January 2, 2015 at 7:22 am -      #6

    “i feel like it’s an honor to get a first post in something.”

    I usually have the opportunity to get first post, but wait for someone else.
    I don’t want to seem more lifeless than i already am :’)

    “is the dragon bulletproof?”

    I think so

  7. God Of Godzilla January 2, 2015 at 11:31 am -      #7

    So what feats does Jake have?

  8. nsl98 January 2, 2015 at 11:32 am -      #8

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hww6kpvrx4

    ——–

    Skip to 18:50 and watch from there

  9. pimpmage January 2, 2015 at 12:13 pm -      #9

    That video… He has worse reaction times than a modern human. He was knocked back into a child form after being bonked on the head. He lifted a small boulder and deflected one with his tail… but that’s about it. MC speed blitzes.

  10. Friendlysociopath January 2, 2015 at 12:15 pm -      #10

    So… the wikia doesn’t give you a heck of a lot of information, but nowhere did it state Jake is bullet-proof. Granted it was a Disney cartoon for younger kids so I question if they would even have people shoot at him.

  11. The Ultimate Overlord January 2, 2015 at 12:27 pm -      #11

    adjl.wikia.com/wiki/Dragons

  12. God Of Godzilla January 2, 2015 at 12:39 pm -      #12

    So dragons have a soft belly and hitting the left ear kills them.

    I think Chief can do well seeing as how Jake stands upright on foot most of the time.

  13. nsl98 January 2, 2015 at 1:03 pm -      #13

    No that video showed his flying speed of faster than 180 mph, or at least close to that. Wasn’t MC’s top speed like 66 mph or something?

  14. The Ultimate Overlord January 2, 2015 at 1:12 pm -      #14

    “I think Chief can do well seeing as how Jake stands upright on foot most of the time.”
    MC would not know his weakness.

  15. nsl98 January 2, 2015 at 1:12 pm -      #15

    Jake also survived a fight w/ Stitch, but it’s probaly PIS as Stitch is probably one of the more powerful earth based Disney heroes.

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=CmVYL6biyVE

  16. Jolttra January 2, 2015 at 1:15 pm -      #16

    …….. Really? Does every request with Master Chief in it judt get automatically posted no questions asked? Even this random ass shit? If we have to do more Halo battles, can we at least do more Ship and vehicle battles so we can all continue to laugh at just how bad their shit is?

  17. Friendlysociopath January 2, 2015 at 1:34 pm -      #17

    MC would not know his weakness.

    Firstly, it’s common sense that armor is thickest in the area most likely to receive damage. That’s how armor works, MC is well aware of that. So the area that’s harder to hit is going to have weaker armor, MC has studied combat from the past and present, he knows how armor works.
    Not to mention even Jake’s upper body armor is unproven to deflect bullets at the moment.

    No that video showed his flying speed of faster than 180 mph, or at least close to that. Wasn’t MC’s top speed like 66 mph or something?

    It shows his flight speed at 179 mph, and it shows he achieved it in a straight line and he couldn’t manage to dodge the giant 180 mph boulder, so how’s he going to dodge much smaller bullets going far faster and shot by one of the best marksman the UNSC has to offer?
    Answer, he is not.

  18. Aelfinn January 2, 2015 at 1:40 pm -      #18

    “Even this random ass shit?”

    Oh, cry some more, ya big baby.
    =
    But honestly, as far as I was aware, Master Chief is stronger and has better reaction times, and I have an inkling he can take most of what Jake Long can put out.

  19. nsl98 January 2, 2015 at 2:00 pm -      #19

    going to dodge much smaller bullets going far faster and shot by one of the best marksman the UNSC has to offer?
    Answer, he is not.

    ———

    True. Just making sure nothing is left out.

  20. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets January 2, 2015 at 3:09 pm -      #20

    My nostalgia… Damn you NSL98!!!!!!!

    Been playing the Halo 5 Beta, the one new thing MC probably has now(it’s standard gear for Spartans, but I’m not sure if MC’s getting that upgrade as well since he seemingly goes AWOL)or at least that’s been shown in the game as of now.

    Thruster pack that allows him to boost forward, back, side to side, and allows him to hover in the air for a bit if he needs to aim or do a ground pound.
    =
    @98 Any equipment, weapons and/or armor abilities he has access to? Other than standard(he only has a “standard” weapon set, nothing’s ever said about the other two)?

    Doesn’t change much, I just love reminding people he has other weapons, armor abilities, and equipment.

  21. nsl98 January 2, 2015 at 3:17 pm -      #21

    @CH1

    Lol! Sorry bout your nostalgia man, couldn’t think of another for Jake to debut against.

    —-//–

    Anyway, I assumed MC had an FP approved load out that was a standard for all his fights, or was I mistaken?

    ——-

    Halo 5 might change things, but we’ll see.

  22. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets January 2, 2015 at 3:20 pm -      #22

    “Anyway, I assumed MC had an FP approved load out that was a standard for all his fights, or was I mistaken?”

    Just for weapons. Not for the other two.

  23. nsl98 January 2, 2015 at 3:27 pm -      #23

    Oh, OK. So yeah, MC shoots him/ thread.

    ——

    I don’t recall ever, in any of the two seasons if Jake was ever shot at. And his durability is pretty men. In dragon form, he got cut with a Crane’s hook and was bleeding. Most of the episodes revolved over his comical ineptitude with his powers. GG childhood show.

  24. Friendlysociopath January 2, 2015 at 3:36 pm -      #24

    Doesn’t change much, I just love reminding people he has other weapons, armor abilities, and equipment.

    This seems as good a place as any to bring this up- who decided on Chief’s standard loadout?

  25. Epicazeroth January 2, 2015 at 3:40 pm -      #25

    @nsl98: “GG childhood show.”
    It was made in the early 2000’s. A lot of the shows were… less than stellar, especially when looked back on now. I just attempted to rewatch Winx Club, WITCH, and some others from that time period. Suffice it to say I no longer have a sense of nostalgia.
    ===
    So, MC basically shoots Jake before Jake even has a chance to do anything? Who decided they would make their protagonist – whose underbelly is the most vulnerable part of him – stand upright?

  26. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets January 2, 2015 at 4:35 pm -      #26

    “who decided on Chief’s standard loadout?”

    It was mostly based on the fact that in the games he has an assault rifle and pistol most of the time.

    Thing is, as TMWTA pointed out, MC has years of history that go much further than the three core games play out(the three games take place over the span of a year IIRC)while MC has a much longer history fighting were he uses multiple weapons just as often. Plus things like the inclusion of equipment and armor abilities are almost never taken into account…

  27. Friendlysociopath January 2, 2015 at 4:51 pm -      #27

    It was mostly based on the fact that in the games he has an assault rifle and pistol most of the time.

    True, but most of the time in games he doesn’t really get to choose his equipment, he’s just scavenging what he can get.

    In several instances of him having the ability to choose his weapons, he’s grabbed significantly different tools for the job.
    In the “Let’s Sprint This” short, he brings a bubble shield, the assault rifle, and two submachine guns.
    In several missions in Halo, he’s given the chance to take various weapons- he shows up with a rocket launcher once because he thought he’d need it.

    I just think it’s a tad unfair he’s allowed such a small selection of weapons and equipment. I’m not saying he needs the splasor or rocket launcher for every match, but he’s clearly indicated he’ll use additional equipment when he thinks he’ll need it.

  28. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets January 2, 2015 at 4:59 pm -      #28

    @Friendly O, I agree, but that’s the general census that happened over FP.

  29. Ragnorke January 2, 2015 at 5:37 pm -      #29

    “but he’s clearly indicated he’ll use additional equipment when he thinks he’ll need it.”

    ^ That’s what prep-time means.

  30. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets January 2, 2015 at 5:55 pm -      #30

    @Rag That’s almost all of his showings though. Hell, even in game he does that. The showings from the games are all because an assault rifle and pistol just happened to be randomly be around and he got them because no other weapons were immediately at hand.

  31. Epicazeroth January 2, 2015 at 8:10 pm -      #31

    @CH1C: But he always has prep time to decide what weapons to bring. The problem is that SPARTANS are too unique to have a real “standard loadout”. Each SPARTAN uses what they like or what they’re good at; the problem is that FP matches don’t always allow prep time for Chief to decide what he’ll need. So we have to go with what he usually has when he doesn’t have prep time.

  32. Friendlysociopath January 2, 2015 at 8:31 pm -      #32

    So we have to go with what he usually has when he doesn’t have prep time.

    Except that is bullshit. Without prep Chief grabs whatever weapon happens to be lying around, that’s Covenant and Promethean weapons just as often as human weaponry. That’s not standard equipment, it’s scavenging.

    Chief grabbing whatever gun is laying around is a game mechanic in the extreme, “This is the most balanced gun, so you can have this.” “This gun will be useful in the coming area, so Chief can have it now but only now.” As shown in several two-part levels where the game will actually take guns away from you.

    Prep time is not an excuse, Chief got the raw end of the stick because everyone liked to troll fanboys.

  33. pimpmage January 2, 2015 at 8:50 pm -      #33

    “Prep time is not an excuse, Chief got the raw end of the stick because everyone liked to troll fanboys.”

    Everyone gets standard gear and chief is no exception. People need to post more details on what gear is allowed. That is all there is to it. People forget, so we assume basics.

    I cry a little every time a space marine only gets a bolter/pistol +chainsword. Yawn… so boring.

  34. Epicazeroth January 2, 2015 at 10:45 pm -      #34

    @Friendly: “Chief grabbing whatever gun is laying around is a game mechanic in the extreme”
    Really? Should he not pick them up? If by “game mechanic in the extreme” you mean it’s something they worked in to make the game playable, then sure.

    “As shown in several two-part levels where the game will actually take guns away from you.”
    That depends how it happens. Does he lose the gun in a cutscene or something, for example because it falls? Or does it just disappear randomly? The first is balancing through story. The second is balancing through plot.
    ===
    @pimp: “People forget, so we assume basics.”
    Thank you; exactly.
    ===
    Let me put it this way. Tony Stark has probably at least a hundred suits by now. But in any match that says “Iron Man” we assume it’s the basic Iron Man suit (or whichever counts as basic at the time). Normally, in the comics, he would select or build a more appropriate suit. But since FP matches default to no prep time, he can’t. It’s the same for MC; just substitute guns for suits.

  35. Friendlysociopath January 2, 2015 at 10:59 pm -      #35

    That depends how it happens. Does he lose the gun in a cutscene or something, for example because it falls? Or does it just disappear randomly?

    The latter, they will actively take several guns from you with no explanation. It’s actually really annoying when you still have an energy sword at the end of a level and it’s not present in the 2nd half.

    But Tony makes his suits, they’re all his suits. Sure, he has to pick *one* to be in and it makes sense for it to be the default suit. But with prep, Tony can pick any suit.

    However, Master Chief’s “default” loadout is based purely on what weapons he can find laying around in the games that actually stop him from carrying others. It’s not “his” loadout at all. Then we have plenty of instances in both novels, games, and the video shorts where a standard loadout for the Chief involves more than what he’s given here.

    Really? Should he not pick them up? If by “game mechanic in the extreme” you mean it’s something they worked in to make the game playable, then sure.

    I mean they take stuff away from you so you can’t have a rocket launcher or sword in areas they don’t want you to. It’s blatant balancing to keep the difficulty curve going how they want.

    It’s the same for MC; just substitute guns for suits.

    It just rubs me the wrong way that MC is the only guy that got such a “No, he has this” treatment. Standard equipment for anyone else is equipment they’ve proven they still have access to and have reason to carry around on them. MC is a soldier, he has a reason to carry around multiple guns and special equipment and has expressed a desire and ability to do so multiple times in his canon.

  36. pimpmage January 2, 2015 at 11:20 pm -      #36

    “However, Master Chief’s “default” loadout is based purely on what weapons he can find laying around in the games that actually stop him from carrying others. It’s not “his” loadout at all. Then we have plenty of instances in both novels, games, and the video shorts where a standard loadout for the Chief involves more than what he’s given here.”

    Master chief does have default equipment in every halo game. Literally. He always is equipped with an assault rifle or battle rifle. He always has a secondary weapon that is in most cases a pistol. He uses tons of grenades in the books I have read. He ALWAYS prefers human weaponry over covenant weapons. The only cases I read of when he uses any covenant stuff, is when his own weapons are out of ammo or broken. His default gear will absolutely never be forerunner or covenant gear. And it will absolutely never be heavy weapons like the laser or rocket launcher. Those are anti vehicle weapons. Chief predominantly fight infantry in almost every case. He also never uses sniper rifles except in very exotic situations because other spartans in his squad specialized in their use over him. This vastly narrows down his pool of possible weapons.

  37. Neon Lord January 2, 2015 at 11:28 pm -      #37

    Just saying, in Halo 2 the SMG appeared a lot more often as the secondary than the pistol.

  38. pimpmage January 2, 2015 at 11:49 pm -      #38

    That was because it was a new weapon showing off the dual wielding mechanics. They wanted you to feel like a badass. Anyway, the smg was only shown to exist in very few situations in the novels. Usually involving ODST.

  39. Shinesparkers January 3, 2015 at 4:28 am -      #39

    Master Chief stomps sadly. Because American Dragon was an awesome show!
    M

  40. Neon Lord January 3, 2015 at 4:48 am -      #40

    Probs because it got replaced by the assault rifle in Halo 3 and never appeared since. Isnt it coming back in Halo 5 though?

  41. Ragnorke January 3, 2015 at 7:22 am -      #41

    “Except that is bullshit. Without prep Chief grabs whatever weapon happens to be lying around, that’s Covenant and Promethean weapons just as often as human weaponry. That’s not standard equipment, it’s scavenging.”

    No. THIS is bullshit.
    I recall starting plenty of Halo 3 missions where Chief was EQUIPPED with a Assault Rifle & Pistol by the UNSC right off the bat.
    He didn’t “find” or “scavenge” it, he was given it as his default loadout.

    That is EXACTLY what standard equipment refers to.

  42. erickyboo January 3, 2015 at 2:22 pm -      #42

    Loadout debates… ugh… But yeah halo 5 beta. I’ve been having issues with my internet so it’s not been exactly very easy to post here on my tablet.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=trre3Dsu2Ag
    SMG, Rocket launcher.

    Thruster seems good for dodging I guess, and using that and stabilizers, if John needs to hovers I guess he can.

  43. Friendlysociopath January 3, 2015 at 2:45 pm -      #43

    No. THIS is bullshit.
    I recall starting plenty of Halo 3 missions where Chief was EQUIPPED with a Assault Rifle & Pistol by the UNSC right off the bat.


    Considering more than half of that game is the Chief not starting with the UNSC at his side, no you didn’t.
    The Arbiter or Sargent Johnson will toss him a weapon in a cutscene, Chief does not choose them.

    All I’m saying is I think it’s silly that Chief is the only character that was hard stated “He has this” while characters like Batman, Samus, or Dante are allowed to call on nearly anything they want so long as it’s not something they need “prep” to use.

  44. pimpmage January 3, 2015 at 3:00 pm -      #44

    Dude it totally depends on what the OP allowed the combatants. In this very specific case, nothing at all was mentioned. He does not get every single weapon in the halo verse as payment for OP’s laxity. Remember the spartan vs space marine thread? There was that one guy that 5x spammed dozens of paragraphs about how MC was allowed MAC cannons in orbit to fight the space marine. LOL.

  45. nsl98 January 3, 2015 at 3:11 pm -      #45

    Master Chief gets an assault rifle and a pistol. Argument over.

  46. pimpmage January 3, 2015 at 3:16 pm -      #46

    Those pistols are extremely powerful. They are just short of .500 magnum. In the books, they knock back elites if I remember correctly.

  47. Warlock Lowk January 3, 2015 at 8:24 pm -      #47

    “Batman, Samus, or Dante are allowed to call on nearly anything they want so long as it’s not something they need “prep” to use.”

    Batman doesn’t carry everything. He just often carries variations of the same thing a portion of which is actually built into his suit/belt.
    Samus and Dante we go by current incarnation. In Samus’ case it’s all built into her suit. Dante has demonhammerspace which lets him spawn weapons.

  48. Friendlysociopath January 3, 2015 at 9:25 pm -      #48

    Huh, I suspect I found a topic I could rant about for some time, best ignore me in the future.

    He just often carries variations of the same thing a portion of which is actually built into his suit/belt.

    Batman has over 30 things he has used from his utility belt, not counting stuff like his wrist rockets, batarangs and other accessories that he specifically keeps outside of his belt.
    He has 10 pockets in his belt, only 10.

    But nobody wants to go and limit Batman to 10 specific things he normally has in his belt because they know it weakens the character on this site. Especially when half of it would be actual detective equipment not meant for combat.

    On an entirely separate note, uploaded episode 2 of my ultimate crossover, not sure if you can see it yet.

  49. nsl98 January 3, 2015 at 10:07 pm -      #49

    On an entirely separate note, uploaded episode 2 of my ultimate crossover, not sure if you can see it yet.

    ——-

    Where is it supposed to be?

  50. Warlock Lowk January 4, 2015 at 9:14 am -      #50

    So MC wins this right. I don’t recall much in the way of bulletproofness for Jake and I don’t think fire breaths going to cut it here.
    ===
    “But nobody wants to go and limit Batman to 10 specific things he normally has in his belt because they know it weakens the character on this site.”

    1. Where are you getting 10 from?
    2. Thats also stupid considering I can carry more then 2 thing a pocket without his hi-tech bullshit. Seriously a less tech oriented live action DC hero has a bow that collapses to palm size.

  51. nsl98 January 4, 2015 at 9:27 am -      #51

    MC for FP award. Jake is incompetent with the use of his powers. While on paper, having done agon powers sounds cool, the dragons in Jake’s universe are not impressive.

  52. Ragnorke January 4, 2015 at 10:15 am -      #52

    “Considering more than half of that game is the Chief not starting with the UNSC at his side, no you didn’t.”

    Half of the missions is more than you need to figure out a characters Default Equipment.

    “The Arbiter or Sargent Johnson will toss him a weapon in a cutscene, Chief does not choose them.”

    But he consistently gets them. Over and over again.
    Whether they’re his “preferred” weapons don’t really matter, they’re the UNCSs preferred weapons. Making them his default weapons.

    “Batman has over 30 things he has used from his utility belt, not counting stuff like his wrist rockets, batarangs and other accessories that he specifically keeps outside of his belt.
    He has 10 pockets in his belt, only 10.”

    1. Where are you getting the “he has 30 things he has used from his utility belt” from?
    I’v read MOST new52 batman comics, and i’d say he’s used less than a dozen things.

    2. Where are you getting the “he has 10 pockets in his belt” from?
    The belt has pockets all around… Why would it be only 10? it can easily fit more.

    “But nobody wants to go and limit Batman to 10 specific things he normally has in his belt ”

    Umm… Yes… yes we do.

  53. the_man_with The_Answers January 4, 2015 at 12:36 pm -      #53

    “can we at least do more Ship and vehicle battles so we can all continue to laugh at just how bad their shit is?”

    Obvious bias is obvious. Scorpion, most Covenant vehicles, and some other vehicles may be sub-par, but they have some excellent craft as well. Cobra, Grizzly, Sparrowhawk, Skyhawk, Vulture, Longsword, Broadsword, Pelican, Locust, Vampire, Seraph, Phantoms, Condors, and so on are all rather exceptional craft.

    “one of the best marksman the UNSC has to offer?”

    4th best shot maybe.
    1) Linda
    2) Jun
    3) Fred
    4) Chief

    “Thing is, as TMWTA pointed out, MC has years of history that go much further than the three core games play out(the three games take place over the span of a year IIRC)while MC has a much longer history fighting were he uses multiple weapons just as often. Plus things like the inclusion of equipment and armor abilities are almost never taken into account…”

    MA-Series assault rifle, Battle Rifle, M6-sereis “upsized” magnum, and potentially one other more specialized weapon based on the circumstance like a shotgun, SAW, sniper rifle, grenade launcher, etc
    4 frag grenades
    combat knife
    UNSC tactical “dumb” AI (One his suit’s main feature over the previous iterations was the AI functionality, and for all the talk recently about “maximum gear efficiency” it would be a little odd not to include an AI even if it isn’t Cortana).

    “Everyone gets standard gear and chief is no exception. People need to post more details on what gear is allowed. That is all there is to it. People forget, so we assume basics.”

    Except “standard” gear for SPARTANs typically involve satchels of high-explosives, anti-tank landmines, MA-series rifles with additional attachments/internals/barrels, and tactical nukes. Because SPARTANs go into the fields expecting hundreds or thousands of kills as a standard, with targets being extremely well defended or of in dire need of being blown the hell up.

    But half of Chief stomps would be the other way around if he just threw a LOTUS anti-tank landmine like a frisbee (as he has actually done before), and eliminated them with an explosive that utterly shreds tanks.

    People debate with Commander Shepard having access to all sorts of weapons, when he “owns them” just about as much as Chief. It’s an armory and he can take what he wants because even Admirals let Chief do pretty much as he wants, no matter how crazy. A Captain orders Chief to stop, Chief defies the chain of command, said Captain is then demoted. Lord Hood, leader of the UNSC, says “The final stand is at Earth, we need every last ship.” Chief says “I’m going through the portal to save Cortana and defeat the Covenant/Flood.” Lord Hood: “Okay Chief, here’s a Frigate and 2 of our most notable war heroes to go along with you.” Chief could likely get his hands on literally any UNSC equipment he’d ever want or need. SPARTAN-IIs almost have that much logistical draw, but Chief is essentially a mythical figure above the S-IIs at this point (Fred is a higher rank than Chief, but Chief takes command when they meet back up).

    “That was because it was a new weapon showing off the dual wielding mechanics. They wanted you to feel like a badass. Anyway, the smg was only shown to exist in very few situations in the novels. Usually involving ODST.”

    Because the primary book for Chief’s Pre-Halo career was released before even the first game, let alone Halo 2. The SMG didn’t even exist in Halo at that point. But suddenly since Halo 2, a whole bunch of books and comics have the SMG, SPARTANs using them all the time in said books, games, and so on. The MA2B, not the MA5B or MA5C, was Chief’s go to rifle most of the time. Zero assault rifles even were present in Halo 2. The SMG seems to be a starting weapon in the Halo 5 Beta as well (no duel wield feature). Literally like every time Chief has access to an armory beforehand, he chooses more special weapons. Even with game mechanics Chief can carry more than 2 weapons at the same time, meaning he has at least 2 medium/large weapon “spaces” on his back, and 2 more on his legs (one on each thigh). Which should be evident from visual media as well.

    Assault rifle + Pistol is literally over a decade out of date starting loadout. Halo 2 starts you with the battle rifle and SMG most times. Halo 3 is generally the assault rifle and battle rifle, or battle rifle and special weapon (meaning the assault rifle is the first thing he swaps out). The same is true of Halo 4.

    “No. THIS is bullshit.
    I recall starting plenty of Halo 3 missions where Chief was EQUIPPED with a Assault Rifle & Pistol by the UNSC right off the bat.
    He didn’t “find” or “scavenge” it, he was given it as his default loadout.
    That is EXACTLY what standard equipment refers to.”

    Halo:CE missions with armory access beforehand:
    T&R-Sniper rifle, Assault rifle
    Silent Cartographer: Assault rifle, Pistol
    That’s it.

    Halo 2:
    Outskirts: Battle Rifle, SMG
    Delta Halo: SMG, Rocket Launcher
    That’s it

    Halo 3
    The Ark: Sniper rifle, Battle Rifle
    The Covenant: Battle Rifle, SPARTAN Laser
    Cortana: Shotgun, Assault Rifle

    Halo 4:
    Reclaimer: Battle Rifle, Assault Rifle (with knowledge that there is an additional armory in the mammoth containing heavier weapons, so really I shouldn’t count this seeing as the Player has the armory choice)
    Shutdown: Assault Rifle, SAW (Again, knowing he has a fully stocked Pelican with heavy weapons, and the player has armory choice beforehand as well, so it shouldn’t really be counted)
    Midnight: Battle Rifle, SAW (This FUCKS the notion that, since Chief has an assault rifle in the Halo 4 cutscenes that it is his default weapon. Because the cutscene shows Chief carrying an assault rifle, but the mission STARTS YOU with a battle rifle and SAW).

    So yeah, it isn’t bullshit at all. Halo 2 and 3 were also pretty good at starting you with the same weapons as you had before, and Halo 2 more than 3 typically showed your current weapons in the cutscenes. Missions with assault rifle starts that also include an armory section at the start also aren’t really fair, as the point is for the player to swap out their weapons and don’t reflect what Chief would actually choose before leaving. Or missions that start you with no weapons and have you pick weapons from the armory or scavange them from the start (Halo 3’s Crow’s Nest and Halo:CE’s Piller of Autumn missions respectively) are examples of a contrary idea to “Chief always starts with the assault rifle.”

    So tallying it up:
    Sniper Rifle: 2
    Assault Rifle: 4
    Magnum: 1
    Battle Rifle: 5
    SMG: 2
    Rocket Launcher: 1
    SPARTAN Laser: 1
    SAW: 2
    Shotgun: 1

    Statistically, given access to an armory, Chief has 1 instance of choosing the magnum in the game, 4 of the assault rifle, 5 of the battle rifle, and 6 of the 10 instances didn’t didn’t even include the assault rifle. Out of 19 total weapons chosen, he picked 14 that weren’t the magnum or assault rifle. This is including 2 assault rifle starts that have the heavy implication of the player swapping those weapons out at the very start while in an armory setting for things like railguns, DMRs, Battle Rifles, etc….

    “Master Chief gets an assault rifle and a pistol. Argument over.”

    Why would he only get 2 weapons he picks less frequently than other weapons while maintaining the ability to carry at least 4 weapons?

    “They are just short of .500 magnum”

    If by “just short of the .500 S&W” you mean “massively more powerful than the .500 S&W magnum” than yes. Greater range, semi-armor piercing high-explosive rounds, compact semi-auto magazine fed construction, and a smart linked scope make it a lot more effective than the current .500 S&W.

    “But he consistently gets them. Over and over again.
    Whether they’re his “preferred” weapons don’t really matter, they’re the UNCSs preferred weapons. Making them his default weapons.”

    You start with the battle rifle much more consistently over the assault rifle actually. And a military doesn’t have a “preferred” weapon . They equip their soldiers with what will get the job done effectively.

  54. Ragnorke January 4, 2015 at 12:49 pm -      #54

    “You start with the battle rifle much more consistently over the assault rifle actually.”

    Then that would be the standard equipment.

    “And a military doesn’t have a “preferred” weapon”

    Yes they do.
    There’s always a preferred load-out for every situation/scenario.

    If a mission is unspecified, you won’t give your soldier a rocket launcher & a sniper, you’ll give him a rifle & pistol.
    You could ALSO give him a launcher & Sniper if you deem it necessary, but it will never replace the latter two unless you know in advance that it’s more relevant.

    “They equip their soldiers with what will get the job done effectively.”

    Yet out of the hundreds of available weapons, there’s always a select hand full which are always optimal for any given situation.

    Those usually include a Rifle & a Pistol. The specifics of which can always change depending on the mission.
    Additional weapons can also be provided, again depending on the mission.

  55. Ragnorke January 4, 2015 at 12:54 pm -      #55

    Also, totally off topic, but i just found this.
    Thought i’d share

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/131238/3061319-legendofbat-weightraining.jpg

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/93595/1764393-batweightraining.jpg

    That plate says 500lbs.
    There’s… well… Obviously more than just one plate on that bar.

    The world record in real life is 722lbs.
    Bruce benched at least double of that, and he doesn’t even have a spotter.

    Just a little something for people that say Batman is only peak human.
    His Muscle-Size/Strength ratio is like 5-6 times above peak human.

  56. nsl98 January 4, 2015 at 1:07 pm -      #56

    Why would he only get 2 weapons he picks less frequently than other weapons while maintaining the ability to carry at least 4 weapons?

    Honestly, Chief doesn’t even need weapons for this fight.

  57. the_man_with The_Answers January 4, 2015 at 1:16 pm -      #57

    “If a mission is unspecified, you won’t give your soldier a rocket launcher & a sniper, you’ll give him a rifle & pistol.”

    Soldiers are given weapons based on their role, specialization, and training. Landing on Delta Halo, Chief didn’t know what to expect. Yet he popped out of his pod with an SMG and rocket launcher. Chief didn’t know what to expect on the Ark, and he came with a Battle Rifle and Sniper Rifle. Didn’t know what to expect in the Mantle’s Approach, grabbed the battle rifle and SAW. You are also comparing soldiers with no say in their weapon choice to someone who could ask for a nuclear weapon and get it no questions asked, or requisition a frigate in a time where all ships are being pulled to make a final stand at Earth.

    “Yet out of the hundreds of available weapons, there’s always a select hand full which are always optimal for any given situation.
    Those usually include a Rifle & a Pistol. The specifics of which can always change depending on the mission.
    Additional weapons can also be provided, again depending on the mission.”

    Except that we see that Chief picks non- assault rifle weapons 15/19 times, and the magnum 1/19 times when he has the chance. Given armor choice he’s only picked both at the same time 1/10 times. Taking the whole “armory available at start, player gets to choose” Chief picks the assault rifle about as frequently as the sniper rifle or the SAW.

    And this is with the “2 weapon limit” ushered in by game mechanics, when it is provably false that Chief can only carry two weapons like that.

    This is also neglecting the fact that Halo:CE-Halo 4 is, for Chief, only a few months. The other ~30 years of his career he was using different variations of the MA2B with different attachments (Typically a under slung grenade launcher, suppressor, AP rounds, and “Shredder” rounds), and taking in satchels of C12/LOTUS Anti-Tank mines/Nuclear warheads. You seem to be ignoring that little tidbit.

  58. the_man_with The_Answers January 4, 2015 at 1:26 pm -      #58

    “That plate says 500lbs.
    There’s… well… Obviously more than just one plate on that bar.”

    Looks like one 500 on each side as well as one significantly smaller plate on each side. Which would actually put him more or less equal to the the world record with a lifting shirt, which is 1,100lbs or so.

    Unless you are trying to imply those first 2 pictures are using the same set up, for which there is no evidence for. If the first picture was using 45lbs plates, that’s about 6 plates per side for about 585lbs total counting the bar, which is certainly within peak human range.

  59. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets January 4, 2015 at 1:59 pm -      #59

    @Rag Are those both N52? If so, then Bats needs to skip leg day less and do less upper bodies. Never skip leg less.

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/62263/1462929-1991batmanlegendsofthedarkknight016.jpg

    Seriously, how can your dead lift be that much lower than your bench?

    Found some more Bats weight training.
    -http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/139138/3057924-bat1000.jpg

    Military pressing over 1,000lbs.

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/139138/3057930-batmantenses1-weightraining.jpg

    Lifting some unknown amount of weight. I’m thinking the bench is probably at least 645(I’m assuming the three plates are 100s). Don’t know bout the curls though, but I’d assume a lot based off this next scan:
    -http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/139138/3057931-batmantenses2-weightraining.jpg

    300lbs one armed triceps extensions… Dayumn.
    -http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/139138/3059567-batodyssey2-legpress2.jpg

    2,500lbs leg press max… Makes me jelly.

  60. Ragnorke January 4, 2015 at 2:00 pm -      #60

    “You are also comparing soldiers with no say in their weapon choice to someone who could ask for a nuclear weapon and get it no questions asked,”

    He doesn’t “get” to pick anything here.
    He gets what he’s shown to have used most, which also happens to be the most logical weapon any soldier would take on an unspecified mission, which is a rifle.

    “Except that we see that Chief picks non- assault rifle weapons 15/19 times, and the magnum 1/19 times when he has the chance.”

    Once again, he ISNT given the chance to pick what he wants here.
    He gets what is standard for him, which is apparently the battle rifle since he has used it most.
    It doesn’t matter if he didn’t pick it 80% of the time, as long as he still had it more than any other specific weapon.

    “And this is with the “2 weapon limit” ushered in by game mechanics, ”

    Well obviously.
    I never said he should be limited to two. But if he is, theres two very obvious picks for any soldier.

    “The other ~30 years of his career he was using different variations of the MA2B with different attachments ”

    If you can post this, then sure, that would be his default.

    “Looks like one 500 on each side as well as one significantly smaller plate on each side. Which would actually put him more or less equal to the the world record with a lifting shirt, which is 1,100lbs or so.”

    1. He doesn’t have a lifting shirt. World record without shirt is 700.
    2. You’re assuming each of the smaller plates are only 50 pounds? Have you seen 50 pound plates? They’re tiny.
    3. The person that set the record was considerably bigger and heavier than Bruce.

    His muscle size to strength ratio IS superhuman.

  61. Ragnorke January 4, 2015 at 2:22 pm -      #61

    @CH
    “Seriously, how can your dead lift be that much lower than your bench?”

    Well… This coulda just been older…
    This could have also been during his recovery period after *cough cough* bane.

    “Are those both N52?”

    The first scan definitely isn’t. I just posted that to show that he has biologically enhanced himself in some way.
    Second one i think is.

    “300lbs one armed triceps extensions… Dayumn.”

    I’m 99.9% sure that’s vastly superhuman.
    Most power lifters i know struggle with a 150 pounds (using both arms)

  62. the_man_with The_Answers January 4, 2015 at 4:49 pm -      #62

    “Military pressing over 1,000lbs.”

    That’s maintaining the ceiling weight using likely his whole body. He isn’t straight pressing 1,000 lbs

    “He doesn’t “get” to pick anything here.
    He gets what he’s shown to have used most, which also happens to be the most logical weapon any soldier would take on an unspecified mission, which is a rifle.”

    Combatants get limited info on their opponent. And apparently you didn’t even read my opinion on what Chief’s loadout should be

    “Once again, he ISNT given the chance to pick what he wants here.
    He gets what is standard for him, which is apparently the battle rifle since he has used it most.
    It doesn’t matter if he didn’t pick it 80% of the time, as long as he still had it more than any other specific weapon.”

    Halo:TFoR seems to point out Chief using the MA2B with a suppressor and underlung grenade launcher, a couple of ammo types, LOTUS anti-tank mines and/or other high explosives up to tactical nukes fairly frequently.

    “If you can post this, then sure, that would be his default.”

    The entire TFoR book? That’s literally like the set-up he chooses for every mission, and that book covers from before the human Covenant war up until late 2552. As opposed to late 2552 – early 2553 covered by the games.

    MA2B is also a considerably larger caliber than the 7.62×51 (It’s .390 caliber, or 10mm, which is a large caliber by even sniper rifle standards)

    “John also chose an MA2B, a cut-down version of the standard MA5B assault rifle. It was tough and
    reliable, with electronic targeting and an ammo supply indicator. It also had a recoil-reduction system,
    and could deliver an impressive fifteen rounds per second.”

    Under any normal circumstance Chief would be equipped with special-forces grade equipment, like the MA2B.

    ” You’re assuming each of the smaller plates are only 50 pounds? Have you seen 50 pound plates? They’re tiny.”

    45lbs plates can come in a variety of widths and diameters based on their materials.
    cdn1.bigcommerce.com/server3600/aq0j5f/products/935/images/3463/anvil_14__44940.1414614212.1280.1280.JPG?c=2
    Even changing them to hundreds only pushes it up to 1,245lbs, which isn’t overly superhuman, and he is wearing some sort of shirt and belt in that particular instance.

    “The person that set the record was considerably bigger and heavier than Bruce.
    His muscle size to strength ratio IS superhuman.”

    Because like his strength and speed, his looks vary not only between authors, but also between circumstances. Put him in the gym shirtless and he looks jacked out of his mind and comparable to the world record lifters. Put him in his suit and he looks much smaller (But still muscular).

    “His muscle size to strength ratio IS superhuman.”

    “Peak human” the way most people define it, is, by definition, super human. “Peak human” generally means they can basically compete in the Olympics under any event of strength or speed and place in the top 3, which is literally impossible by the nature of the human body.

    “Most power lifters i know struggle with a 150 pounds”

    Obviously most power lifters you know aren’t all power lifters.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=diP6LDFVpy4

    Granted his form and attitude are atrocious, and something seems off in the video, but you can find plenty of other videos for people not struggling too much with 150lbs tricep extensions.

    Batman seems to be marginally super-humanly strong

  63. Ragnorke January 4, 2015 at 5:34 pm -      #63

    “Under any normal circumstance Chief would be equipped with special-forces grade equipment, like the MA2B.”

    Well there you go.
    Point remains, he DOES have a form of Standard, and wouldn’t just get to pick between all the weapons he has had throughout the Halo series.

    “Even changing them to hundreds only pushes it up to 1,245lbs, which isn’t overly superhuman,”

    Considering the World Record (done by someone with almost twice the weight of Bruce) is 700ibs, yes it is superhuman.
    Oh, and he didn’t have a spotter, and it wasn’t a smith-machine, meaning it wasn’t his max.

    ” and he is wearing some sort of shirt and belt in that particular instance.”

    ……He was shirtless

    ” Put him in the gym shirtless and he looks jacked out of his mind and comparable to the world record lifters”

    World record lifters don’t look jacked at all. They look fat.

    “Obviously most power lifters you know aren’t all power lifters.”

    I don’t know why you bothered posting this video, your comment right after basically sums it up.

    “but you can find plenty of other videos for people not struggling”

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=fel1XhUn64w
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-sLluFeACc
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZCtao7sMyg
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIiWgy3V8G0

    All of those were Two-Armed, not one.
    If you can find a legit One-Armed 150 extension, post it.
    And lets not forget Batsy was doing double of that.

    “Batman seems to be marginally super-humanly strong”

    If by “marginally” you mean “Shits on all world record holders without being even half their weight or size”… Then yea.

  64. Ragnorke January 4, 2015 at 5:48 pm -      #64

    Bench Press World Record = 722 pounds (Using a Weight Belt & Wrist Wraps)
    The man that performed it (Eric Spoto) has a weight of 150 kilos.

    Bruce Wayne Bench Press = 1200 at least (Without any equipment at all)
    He weighs 95 kilos.

    Worth noting that isn’t Bruces max. Otherwise it wouldn’t be performed under the conditions he’s performing it in.

    His Strength/Weight ratio is 12.6, compared to Eric Spotos 4.8 (who is a genetically gifted & talented man).
    How can you call that just “marginally” super-human?

    Also, if both the plates are the same density and width, which is almost a guarantee (the bottom bases have the same dimensions), we can actually calc the weight of the smaller plate.
    There’s no way in fuck it’s only a hundred pounds.

  65. the_man_with The_Answers January 4, 2015 at 7:58 pm -      #65

    “Considering the World Record (done by someone with almost twice the weight of Bruce) is 700ibs, yes it is superhuman.
    Oh, and he didn’t have a spotter, and it wasn’t a smith-machine, meaning it wasn’t his max.”

    In the shirtless picture, Bruce can only weigh 210lbs if his muscles were half as dense. A 210lbs person does not look like that.

    “……He was shirtless”

    Not in the picture with all the big plates

    “World record lifters don’t look jacked at all. They look fat.”

    www.lift.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/eric-spoto-210×180.png

    Eric Spoto, record holder for the unassisted bench-press. Yeah, he sure looks fat all right…


    “All of those were Two-Armed, not one.
    If you can find a legit One-Armed 150 extension, post it.
    And lets not forget Batsy was doing double of that.”

    17 and 11 reps, granted 2 handed, without being excessively muscular and the other being a 170lbs 19 year old is a far cry from your claim of “powerlifter’s struggling with 150lbs with both hands” which is what I was replying to.

    “World record lifters don’t look jacked at all. They look fat.”

    “If by “marginally” you mean “Shits on all world record holders without being even half their weight or size”… Then yea.”

    By maybe a few hundred pounds at his higher interpretations of workout data. It isn’t like he has his lower showings for the weight room.

    “His Strength/Weight ratio is 12.6, compared to Eric Spotos 4.8 (who is a genetically gifted & talented man).
    How can you call that just “marginally” super-human?”

    And an Ant’s strength to weight ration is 50-100, that doesn’t make ants massively superhuman. He doesn’t lift THAT much more weight to be considered absurdly superhuman.

  66. Warlock Lowk January 4, 2015 at 8:46 pm -      #66

    “In the shirtless picture, Bruce can only weigh 210lbs if his muscles were half as dense. A 210lbs person does not look like that.”

    Bruce’s stated weight is 210lbs. At least in current incarnations it is. That might be where he got the weight from.

  67. Friendlysociopath January 4, 2015 at 9:09 pm -      #67

    Halo:TFoR seems to point out Chief using the MA2B with a suppressor and underlung grenade launcher, a couple of ammo types, LOTUS anti-tank mines and/or other high explosives up to tactical nukes fairly frequently.

    That was pretty much my point, any gun would serve Chief fine for this match; I know. I just think his standard equipment should be changed to reflect his actual standard equipment that he likes to use. Minus the nukes.

    Edit: I admit to being slightly annoyed that my Youtube account is now full of American Dragon clips

  68. nsl98 January 4, 2015 at 9:15 pm -      #68

    Edit: I admit to being slightly annoyed that my Youtube account is now full of American Dragon clips

    —–

    Same.

  69. Ragnorke January 5, 2015 at 8:16 am -      #69

    @TMWTA
    “In the shirtless picture, Bruce can only weigh 210lbs if his muscles were half as dense. A 210lbs person does not look like that.”

    It’s his stated weight nonetheless.
    He can appear to be more jacked, but that doesn’t mean his official stats get any higher.

    And he actually DOES look 210 pounds.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=0106hemaRbI
    These guys forexample, are 210 pounds. You think Bruce is twice as big? are you high?

    “Eric Spoto, record holder for the unassisted bench-press. Yeah, he sure looks fat all right…”

    He does look fat lol.
    Do you think he has a six pack hidden under that shirt?
    www.lift.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/scot-mendelson-pec-tear.jpg
    upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/IPF_World_Champion_Dean_Bowring_performing_the_three_Powerlifting_moves.jpg
    images.t-nation.com/forum_images/f/f/ffc7a-42.jpg
    All power lifters look pretty fat. He’s strong as fuck, sure, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have high body fat.

    “By maybe a few hundred pounds at his higher interpretations of workout data.”

    *sigh*
    The world record if 720.
    Bruce was lifting atleast 1200-1500, that’s about double.
    Stop disregarding it by saying “eh, it’s just a few hundred pounds more”

    “And an Ant’s strength to weight ration is 50-100, that doesn’t make ants massively superhuman.”

    An Ant’s strength/weight ratio IS superhuman.
    Do you not understand the concept of a ratio?

    “He doesn’t lift THAT much more weight to be considered absurdly superhuman.”

    Twice the world record, without any equipment at all, and it didn’t appear to be his max.
    And his weight is almost half the person that set the world record.

    His muscle-mass/Strength ratio is physically impossible to achieve, making it superhuman.
    There’s no point denying it unless you can support what you’re saying.

    “Not in the picture with all the big plates”

    Since when was that the picture in question?
    Those plates had no digits on them, and we weren’t discussing it.

  70. Ragnorke January 5, 2015 at 8:48 am -      #70

    @TMWTA
    It’s also worth noting that all pro power lifters are openly on steroids. Including Eric Spoto.

    The greatest bench presser in human history, who has been taking anabolic steroids, human growth hormone, testosterone boosters, and estrogen limiters for years… only benched half of what Bruce Wayne can bench.

    Even if there wasn’t a massive difference in their weight, Bruce Wayne would STILL arguably be superhuman.
    The fact that he has almost half the muscle mass that Eric Spoto has, makes the strength of his muscle fibers all the more impressive.

    This isn’t a matter of opinion.
    Stop mindlessly debating for the sake of debating.

  71. Friendlysociopath January 5, 2015 at 9:24 am -      #71

    Even if there wasn’t a massive difference in their weight, Bruce Wayne would STILL arguably be superhuman.
    The fact that he has almost half the muscle mass that Eric Spoto has, makes the strength of his muscle fibers all the more impressive.


    The only reason people try so hard to make Batman out to be peak human is because that’s his official designation by his writers. Take it up with them.

    Where are you getting the “he has 10 pockets in his belt” from?

    Every source I’ve ever found has said Batman has 10 “containers” for his belt and each is for one thing.
    This container has smoke grenades.
    The next one has flares.
    Then caltrops.
    The 30+ things was a list of stuff he’s pulled from those containers, not counting batarangs and other things that he specifically doesn’t keep in those pouches.

  72. Ragnorke January 5, 2015 at 10:14 am -      #72

    “The only reason people try so hard to make Batman out to be peak human is because that’s his official designation by his writers. Take it up with them.”

    Well he’s obviously on some form of super steroids, or some biological enhancements.
    OR you just need to accept the fact that DCs “peak human” isn’t the same as real life Peak Human.

    Lifting 1500 pounds without any equipment, at 210 pounds of body weight, is flat out impossible.
    There’s a reason the world record is only 700, and that guy is one big motherfucker.

    “Every source I’ve ever found has said Batman has 10 “containers” for his belt and each is for one thing.”

    fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/186/5/4/new_52_batman_by_grandnightconvoymare-d6c2t70.jpg

    metalarcade.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/DC-The-New-52-Batman.jpg

    wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/comicsalliance.com/files/2012/03/costume04-1332402148.jpg

    Definitely looks like there’s more than 10.
    Wanna provide these “sources” of yours?

    “The 30+ things was a list of stuff he’s pulled from those containers, not counting batarangs and other things that he specifically doesn’t keep in those pouches”

    And i shall repeat,
    I’v read most of the new52 Batman comics, and he hasn’t pulled out 30 gadgets by any stretch of the imagination. It’s much closer to a dozen.

  73. Friendlysociopath January 5, 2015 at 10:37 am -      #73

    Sonofa- typed it all out and hit the BankGambling tab ‘x’ instead of the one I was aiming for… right, Round 2.

    Definitely looks like there’s more than 10.
    Wanna provide these “sources” of yours?


    dc.wikia.com/wiki/Utility_Belt
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman's_utility_belt#Contents
    batman.wikia.com/wiki/Utility_Belt
    www.comicvine.com/utility-belt/4055-46369/
    toybox.io9.com/an-artists-guide-to-whats-inside-batmans-utility-belt-1664076805

    I’v read most of the new52 Batman comics, and he hasn’t pulled out 30 gadgets by any stretch of the imagination. It’s much closer to a dozen.

    A list of items Batman has pulled from his utility belt, though I admit I haven’t updated it for new52:

    Infrared flashlight
    Smoke grenades
    Fingerprinting kit
    Forensic kit
    regular flashlight
    magnifying glass
    First aid kit
    Lockpicking tools
    Kryptonite ring
    Tear gas pellets
    Micro-processor power source
    Micro-recorder (updated regularly)
    Miniature Laser torch
    Handcuffs
    Rebreather
    gas mask
    Bat Tracker
    Cryo capsule
    Sedatives
    Anti fire foam
    Ultrasonic transmitter (to attract bats)
    Cryptographic sequencer
    bolas
    Glue grenades
    EMP grenades
    EMP gun
    Sonic grenades
    Flash Grenades
    Caltrops
    Tranquilizer gun
    Explosive gel
    Napalm
    Freezing grenades
    Bat-heater
    rope
    camera
    energy deflector
    kryptonite
    device to summon batmobile
    and, of course, the Bat-Credit Card

  74. Ragnorke January 5, 2015 at 10:53 am -      #74

    “A list of items Batman has pulled from his utility belt, though I admit I haven’t updated it for new52:”

    You realize the list you posted is things from ALL Batman incarnations?
    Most of which are not canon…?

    New52 has used less than a quarter of those things.
    Many of which are not stored in the belt.
    And many of those he takes specifically for a mission, with prep.

    I have no idea why you bothered posting that.

  75. Cassie Hack January 5, 2015 at 11:01 am -      #75

    The belt is relatively simple: a Kevlar strap with a metal buckle. The belt houses ten cylinders which vertically clip to the outside of the belt. There are pockets between the cylinders, as well as hidden pockets on the inside of the belt used for housing one of various batarangs. The cylinders house different tools for crime fighting.

    There are ten cylinders with things, then the pockets and then hidden pockets. His belt holds way more than ten things. This is also from one of your sources. Couple that with the fact that his utility belt has changed over time, and the one you are showing is definitely pre N52.

  76. The Ultimate Overlord January 5, 2015 at 11:24 am -      #76

    @Friendly
    May I get a link to the crossover?

  77. Warlock Lowk January 5, 2015 at 11:46 am -      #77

    So about chief weaponry. Are we re establishing it yet? It been what 5 years? I think it good do with a little refreshing. He still seems to prefer the UNSC weapons right?
    ===
    “Every source I’ve ever found has said Batman has 10 “containers” for his belt and each is for one thing.”

    Probably people going off of the arkham series utility. I’ve seen old and new bat belts and they then to have more then ten containers. Even when they were just cylinders.
    ===
    “A list of items Batman has pulled from his utility belt, though I admit I haven’t updated it for new52:

    Infrared flashlight
    Forensic kit
    regular flashlight
    magnifying glass
    Micro-processor power source
    Micro-recorder (updated regularly)
    Rebreather
    gas mask
    Bat Tracker
    Cryptographic sequencer*
    camera”

    Most if not all are function or tools located in his cowl or gauntlet.
    *And furthering my suspicion that the ’10’ comes from the arkham series. Pretty sure that is specific to that series. Bruce has got a holographic screens using his lens and gauntlets.
    m5.paperblog.com/i/32/326553/review-batman-13-dc-L-M8IqnT.jpeg
    Doesn’t really need a separate device.
    ===
    “Smoke grenades
    Tear gas pellets
    Flash Grenades”

    Often time these are mixed into one. Even if he doesn’t carry them in his belt he carries some that come out of his boots or fired from his gauntlets.
    ===
    “Cryo capsule
    Freezing grenades*

    Pretty much the same thing. One of which I’m pretty sure is
    *Another arkham series specific item.
    ===
    “EMP grenades**
    EMP gun**
    Ultrasonic transmitter
    energy deflector
    device to summon batmobile”

    Stuff thats is apart of the belt. Not in it.
    **Doesn’t need either really when he has one on his belt.
    ===
    “Sedatives
    Tranquilizer gun”

    Sedatives are IN the tranq gun they don’t need a separate slot.. Iirc they can also be fired out of the gantlets, though I think its only single shot instead of rapidfire.
    ===
    What your left with
    Miniature Laser torch: about as big as a regular laser pointer. Also has it in his gauntlets
    Kryptonite ring and kryptonite: Has on or the other
    Rope: Yeah often in the grapple gun. Which may also serves as his projectile launcher.
    Anti fire foam+Glue grenades: Think this one in the same. Being used interchangeably
    bolas
    Sonic grenades: Possibly replaced by smaller sonic weaponry like batarangs.
    Explosive gel* and Napalm: One is a arkham series thing. The other is current replaced with thermite also about as big as a laser pointer.
    Bat-heater: heat based weaponry is currently in the shape of brass knuckles.
    ===
    So you have about seven maybe nine things. A good deal of which are small enough that I could carry most of them in two pockets.
    ===
    “and, of course, the Bat-Credit Card”

    NO! That never happen. Arnold was never Mr freeze. Bat nipples were never a thing.

  78. nsl98 January 5, 2015 at 11:54 am -      #78

    I love how this moved to a discussion about Batman and his muscles and utility belt.

  79. Friendlysociopath January 5, 2015 at 11:55 am -      #79

    May I get a link to the crossover?

    Eh? It’s the same place it was before. Although I’m posting Episode 2 as a comment so it might disappear. I’ll wait a bit in case you want to look at it now.
    www.factpiletopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=148601

    I have no idea why you bothered posting that.

    You asked me to post the sources, and I posted a list of stuff he’s used that specifically was from pockets. Batman is a renowned detective who investigates crime and arrests criminals, why wouldn’t he have his standard tools for the job?

    I love how this moved to a discussion about Batman and his muscles and utility belt.

    Most stomps tend to derail quite a bit, in this case I’m just trying to get MC’s standard equipment updated to what it should be and Batman was a byproduct for me.

  80. Warlock Lowk January 5, 2015 at 11:55 am -      #80

    “Well he’s obviously on some form of super steroids, or some biological enhancements.
    OR you just need to accept the fact that DCs “peak human” isn’t the same as real life Peak Human.”

    I maintain the belief of mystical kung fu martial arts mojo. Like how multiple martial artists in fiction tend to get more powerful “because training”. Wasn’t there a Legion hero whose power was basically super karate?

  81. The Ultimate Overlord January 5, 2015 at 12:03 pm -      #81

    Batman did use Venom before.

  82. Ragnorke January 5, 2015 at 12:12 pm -      #82

    “You asked me to post the sources, and I posted a list of stuff he’s used that specifically was from pockets.”

    No, you posted stuff that NON-CANON versions of Batman has used from his pockets.

    In the end, his belt holds much more than just 10 things.
    Tons of his equipment is built in all around his suit in the new52. Specially his gauntlets.
    And he hasn’t used anywhere near as many gadgets as you just claimed.

    Therefor majority of the things he uses ARE standard equipment, since they all fit onto his suit simultaneously, and are a part of it.
    It isn’t the same case for Master Chief.

    “I maintain the belief of mystical kung fu martial arts mojo. Like how multiple martial artists in fiction tend to get more powerful “because training”

    Yea that’s what we’re told basically.
    He does all this yoga bullshit and what not.

    But… doing stuff like this…
    s289.photobucket.com/user/darknight2k/media/Power-Strength/Strength/batmantwoface25-batstrength.jpg.html
    s932.photobucket.com/user/themanwonder/media/Martial%20Arts/Battles/nightwing30-batmanvsnightwing7.jpg.html
    Definitely Super Human.

  83. Friendlysociopath January 5, 2015 at 12:23 pm -      #83

    It isn’t the same case for Master Chief.

    Standard equipment, the stuff the character in question takes for regular problems.

    Master Chief does not just take an assault rifle plus battle rifle and I think his equipment should be updated to accurately reflect what he takes with him for missions.
    (Yes I know the loadout also includes grenades and pistols)
    He should also really have some form of AI as his suit is built to have one, but I know that isn’t going to fly.

  84. Ragnorke January 5, 2015 at 12:28 pm -      #84

    “Standard equipment, the stuff the character in question takes for regular problems.”

    Nope.
    Standard Equipment isn’t what the character TAKES for regular problems, it’s what the character usually HAS.

    If you’re given the opportunity to TAKE what you want, that means you’re given prep.
    Regular matches do not include prep.

    Characters get what they usually have, whether they chose to take it or not.

    Many characters throughout fiction are simply stuck with something, but wouldn’t necessarily pick it if given the choice.
    When it comes to a match, we assume the character would have that “something”, since his character usually has it.

  85. Friendlysociopath January 5, 2015 at 12:50 pm -      #85

    Standard Equipment isn’t what the character TAKES for regular problems, it’s what the character usually HAS.

    Except the Chief’s current loadout isn’t what he typically HAS, it’s ignoring years of service and missions for the brief periods the games cover and restrict your weapons for no reason beyond the game balancing itself.

    Many characters throughout fiction are simply stuck with something, but wouldn’t necessarily pick it if given the choice.

    Yeah? Do those same characters usually have access to other weapons that they are given when they go on missions AKA whenever they’re actually suited up for battle?

  86. Ragnorke January 5, 2015 at 1:53 pm -      #86

    “Except the Chief’s current loadout isn’t what he typically HAS, it’s ignoring years of service and missions for the brief periods the games cover ”

    I’m not saying Chief should be limited to what we see in the game.
    I already said he should get the MA2B, since that’s what he had for most of his pre-game missions apparently.

    “Yeah? Do those same characters usually have access to other weapons that they are given when they go on missions AKA whenever they’re actually suited up for battle?”

    Chief doesn’t have access to other weapons here either.
    He gets what he usually has. The end.
    Doesn’t matter what Chiefs weapon of choice is, doesn’t matter what Chief is most talented with.
    Simply what he has used most. Whether he was “stuck” with that weapon, or just found it on the floor, is irrelevant.

  87. Friendlysociopath January 5, 2015 at 2:37 pm -      #87

    I already said he should get the MA2B, since that’s what he had for most of his pre-game missions apparently.

    Yaaaaaaay, now he can shoot and use grenades at the same time. Not gonna change the wikia but maybe I’ll drop a comment about possibly updating his loadout on the page.

    Eh, I suppose it’s a moot point. If Chief’s current loadout isn’t enough to take the enemy changing his weapons isn’t likely to make a huge difference in any case.
    In a lot of fights Chief would do more damage punching the enemy than the guns would do to them.

  88. Ragnorke January 5, 2015 at 3:07 pm -      #88

    “In a lot of fights Chief would do more damage punching the enemy than the guns would do to them.”

    Melee OP

  89. pimpmage January 5, 2015 at 4:22 pm -      #89

    It’s funny you say that, in the novels, it takes a prolonged burst from an assault rifle to kill an elite through shields. Chief has been shown in many occasions to casually kill elites with his fists much faster than his gun would.

    This makes me want to see a boxing match between chief and an unarmored space marine. Chief might have a good chance in that matchup.

  90. Friendlysociopath January 5, 2015 at 5:20 pm -      #90

    Chief might have a good chance in that matchup.

    Depends how hard you want to wank Space Marines and fluff works… I actually want that match now- curse you pimpmage

  91. pimpmage January 5, 2015 at 5:28 pm -      #91

    Well, a sm would lack the boosted strength/speed/stims/healing boosts that armor would give. I think I would have a hard time looking up feats for unarmored sm’s tho.

  92. the_man_with The_Answers January 6, 2015 at 3:44 am -      #92

    “And he actually DOES look 210 pounds”

    Not really. Those pictures make his upper body look notably larger (but not as bulky) than those two in the video, and those guys also train for muscle mass over muscle strength. A more apt comparison would be this guy:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQbsshW6s9g
    And he doesn’t look nearly as massive as this:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/93595/1764393-batweightraining.jpg

    “All power lifters look pretty fat. He’s strong as fuck, sure, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have high body fat.”

    Additional fat is the drawback of having to consume 5,000 to 10,000 calories a day to maintain your gains. However, two of those pictures you could see some outlines of muscles over the stomach area, and only the middle one I would consider “fat.”
    All heavy weight powerlifters:
    images.t-nation.com/forum_images/4/e/4eba1_ORIG-pudz.jpg
    images.t-nation.com/forum_images/7/3/73896_ORIG-Konstantin_Konstantinovs.jpg
    www.t-nation.com/img/photos/2008/08-122-training/image002.jpg
    thicksolidtight.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/ed_coan_internet_1.jpeg
    I wouldn’t consider them fat.

    “*sigh*
    The world record if 720.
    Bruce was lifting atleast 1200-1500, that’s about double.
    Stop disregarding it by saying “eh, it’s just a few hundred pounds more””

    I’m not disregarding it. I’m saying it isn’t AS superhuman as you’re making it out to be.

    “An Ant’s strength/weight ratio IS superhuman.
    Do you not understand the concept of a ratio?”

    The ant’s ratio is vastly superhuman. The ant itself does not possess vastly super human strength. Likewise, Bruce has a vastly superhuman muscle-weight lifted ratio, but his strength itself is not *vastly* superhuman. Superhuman yes, but not drastically so.

    “His muscle-mass/Strength ratio is physically impossible to achieve, making it superhuman.
    There’s no point denying it unless you can support what you’re saying.”

    I already said he was superhuman in strength, if you weren’t paying attention. I’m saying he’s not as massively superhuman as you’re implying.

    “peak human” isn’t the same as real life Peak Human.”

    As I said before, “Peak human” IS superhuman. It’s a “low-class” of superhuman physical abilities defined pretty much by being capable of being capable of competing, if not significantly beating, the best individuals in feats of running/lifting. Which is physically impossible to do without being superhuman to some regard, as you can’t hold a sub-5 minute mile for 10 miles while also being capable of having a world record bench-press weight. It’s just that it isn’t “massively” superhuman, in that you are only exceeding human limits by so much.

    “Simply what he has used most. Whether he was “stuck” with that weapon, or just found it on the floor, is irrelevant.”

    That’s an impossible thing to determine for Chief considering what he “has” is a function of level design and player choice. On Legendary difficulty for Halo 2 I have a particle beam rifle and Covenant carbine in my hands 95% of the time. On Easy I pick up whatever weapon is closest and use it until it runs out of ammo. Halo:CE was primarily the pistol and shotgun or pistol and plasma pistol. Halo 3 was Covenant Carbine/Battle rifle + plasma pistol and/or any heavy weapon I could get my hands on. What you “usually have” in Covenant based missions are Covenant weapons, and in Promethean-based missions (in Halo 4) you “usually have” Forerunner weapons, because your human weapons run out of ammo after the first few minutes and you have to spend the next hour using “alien” weapons. If you were going to send a SPARTAN-II into the field and give them no intel beforehand, theya re likely going to have an assault rifle (MA2B, MA5B, MA5C depending on availability), a Battle Rifle, A M6-series pistol, a “handful” of frag grenades, and some other more powerful weapon (Like a SAW, Sniper Rifle, Shotgun, etc) that would change due to the SPARTAN’s preference.

    “It’s funny you say that, in the novels, it takes a prolonged burst from an assault rifle to kill an elite through shields. Chief has been shown in many occasions to casually kill elites with his fists much faster than his gun would.”

    He’s used his fingers to essentially slice into a Jackals head.

    Pro-boxers can punch at speeds of 30mph, and S-IIs are ~3x faster than their human equivalents (Which would be Olympic athletes judging by their descriptions and genetic advantages). So right there, that is 90mph punches. MJOLNIR Mark IV increased speed by a factor of 5x, meaning those 90mph punches turn into 450mph fists (Mark V and VI may have increased speed further for the record). At 200m/s (450mph), and at 450kg body weight, ~20kg or so of which should be in the arm, his punches could have nearly 400kJ of energy (punching tanks to death anyone?). They have the momentum of a small car running into you at 20mph, or a ~200lbs man slamming into you at 90mph.

    Halo Reach/4 assassination moves make a lot more sense. As do punches draining shields in general. Or why SPARTANs are confident enough to take on tanks without heavy weapons.

  93. Ragnorke January 6, 2015 at 3:41 pm -      #93

    “Not really. Those pictures make his upper body look notably larger (but not as bulky) than those two in the video, and those guys also train for muscle mass over muscle strength. A more apt comparison would be this guy:”

    Definitely doesn’t look very far off from 210 pounds.
    It’s totally believable.

    “I wouldn’t consider them fat.”

    They all look fat except the first one to me.
    I respect the hell out of Power Lifters, but that doesn’t change the fact that they more often than not have high body fat.
    It doesn’t make me like them any less, but it’s still the truth.

    “’m not disregarding it. I’m saying it isn’t AS superhuman as you’re making it out to be.”

    I’m not saying it’s massively superhuman at all.
    Only that it IS still above human capabilities.
    Lots of people tend to disregard alot of batman feats because “that’s pis! he’s just a man!”

    “The ant’s ratio is vastly superhuman. The ant itself does not possess vastly super human strength.”

    But an Ant isn’t a human.
    We’re comparing one human to another human here.
    One humans Strength/Weight ratio is 3 times higher than another humans Strength/Weight ratio (who is currently the best Benchpresser in history)
    That’s clearly superhuman muscle tissue.

    “As I said before, “Peak human” IS superhuman. It’s a “low-class” of superhuman physical abilities defined pretty much by being capable of being capable of competing, if not significantly beating, the best individuals in feats of running/lifting. Which is physically impossible to do without being superhuman to some regard,”

    Peak Human is the maximum POTENTIAL a human being can naturally achieve with a human biology.
    Although it may not be realistically achievable.

    Lifting the amount bruce did, considering his weight, is physically IMPOSSIBLE for a human being to do.
    Considering even someone that had been juicing on multiple biological enhancers has only managed to lift half of that.

    That makes him Super Human, meaning he’s above Natural Human Potential.

    There’s also the scan of him breaking a motorcycle in half by kicking it. So there’s that.

  94. OberHerr January 6, 2015 at 4:50 pm -      #94

    @TMWTA
    Is that calc for punching with or without armor?

    “(punching tanks to death anyone?)”

    Not only that, casually punching into their engines and planting explosives inside. As in, through their armor.

    @Rag
    While I agreed Bruce is past what we could reasonably consider peak human(using that particular scan that is), breaking a motorcycle in half by kicking it does seem doable from people who have a sufficiently armored foot and enough training/strength.

    I don’t know if it’d trust that scan of him lifting weights. For Batman, whenever they show him weightlifting, it fluctuates so much, its generally worth just considering him peak human and not going past that.

  95. Commander Cross January 6, 2015 at 5:36 pm -      #95

    @FriendlySociopath at #90

    Hmm, Chief Man vs a Blood Raven in Boxing Matches could be fun, a Grey Knight is Overkill though.

    Fair to warn you that Marine Calcs are generally not-so-consistent, and worth repeating that Chief’s no saint about such things either.

    Hmm, what be in it for a Blood Raven if we go with that one and that BR Marine wins?
    Some kind of Artifact to return to the chapter with.

  96. Ragnorke January 6, 2015 at 6:11 pm -      #96

    Does anyone here play table top Warhammer…?
    Or even D&D for that matter?
    Just curious.

  97. pimpmage January 6, 2015 at 6:12 pm -      #97

    Well i thought about that boxing idea… space marines can take dozens of power armored punches to the naked face and remain conscious. With that in mind, chief wouldn’t stand a chance, even with his powered armor.\

    “Or even D&D for that matter?”

    I do pathfinder, 3.5, and dark heresy.

    “Some kind of Artifact to return to the chapter with.”

    Is that a sick joke CC? The blood ravens are known for stealing artifacts from other chapters.
    1d4chan.org/wiki/Blood_Ravens
    Scroll down to the Bloody Magpies section.
    1d4chan.org/images/thumb/f/fe/Warhammer_40k_blood_ravens_magpies_comic_bolt_down_everything_1335786405659.jpg/424px-Warhammer_40k_blood_ravens_magpies_comic_bolt_down_everything_1335786405659.jpg

  98. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets January 6, 2015 at 6:53 pm -      #98

    @Rag Any particular D&D? I’ve done 1st, Pathfinder, 3.5, 4th, and 5th. Plus random similar games like Burning Wheel (game play sucks horribly, but character creation was AMAZING), World of Darkness, HARP, and Hack Master. Might’very done Runequest, but not sure.

    “They all look fat except the first one to me.”

    They all have definition in their abs though… I wouldn’t consider that “fat.”

  99. Friendlysociopath January 6, 2015 at 7:20 pm -      #99

    Does anyone here play table top Warhammer…?
    Or even D&D for that matter?
    Just curious.


    Yes and yes, also Mordheim. (Which I eagerly await for the video game version to be fully released)
    Let’s see:
    D&D: Sorceror all the way, very independent. Abyssal bloodline in Pathfinder was particularly awesome. I could outfight a Barbarian 1v1 while also blasting his army to bits.
    Warhammer: Vampire Counts, to reclaim the honor from Twilight. Also, Purple Sun of Xereus will rape if you can cast it, and I’m obscenely good at rolling magic dice.
    Mordheim: CHAOS

  100. Ragnorke January 6, 2015 at 7:25 pm -      #100

    Iv played Baldur’s Gate (best rpg ever), Neverwinter (pretty good free MMO), D&D online (meh), and Icewind Dale (eh).
    And since they’re all based on the Table top, i was considering giving it a shot.
    But apparently Warhammer has a more active community, and is easier to get into (although more expensive)

    Just wanted some opinions

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