Final Fantasy 4 Vs World of Warcraft

Final Fantasy 4 Vs World of Warcraft

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Final Fantasy 4 goes up against World of Warcraft.

Scenario 1: Only main worlds (Moon and Earth in FF case and Azeroth in WoW case) are fighting.

WoW is right after invasion of the Burning Legion.

Creator from FF 4 replaced with Exdeath (pre-Void) to make match more fair.

Scenario 2: All out war.

What transpires?

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191 Comments on "Final Fantasy 4 Vs World of Warcraft"

  1. Friendlysociopath December 30, 2014 at 11:25 am -      #101

    Does it mention anywhere that powerscaling between the 2 games is even remotely applicable?

    I personally say yes for a few reasons.
    1) The spell descriptions are virtually the same, “The most destructive black magic spell” “Do not use cause it’s too dangerous for everyone”. Considering the amount of firepower they casually throw around in Final Fantasy, something that they think is ‘too risky’ to use has to have significant “oomph”.
    Oh, your mountain-busting feat is Titan actually shattering a mountain range when he showed up. Also, that Giant of Babil was on the world map, meaning those explosions are easily a mile or more in diameter. If Bahamut is in line with his other firepower incarnations he should be around city-busting.

    2) Any spell in Final Fantasy never does anything outside of gameplay (burns trees, shatters mountains, etc.) except when the plot decides it should happen. This implies user-interference as the good guys never actually want to destroy said mountains, forests, or kingdoms but when bad people use the same spells or summons then suddenly they’re mass destruction engines capable of city/island level destruction.
    Meaning you’ll only ever see the big bang for the buck when an evil person uses it.

    3) As for powerscaling, as far as magic users go FF7 has probably the weakest magic users in the entire series. Including the Sephiroth in that statement btw.

  2. Ragnorke December 30, 2014 at 11:35 am -      #102

    @friendly
    “The spell descriptions are virtually the same,”

    Do you have any idea how many different games i can find with similar/identical spell descriptions?
    If they’re different games, then they’re different spells.
    Unless you have canon proof, please don’t bring it up again.

    “Oh, your mountain-busting feat is Titan actually shattering a mountain range when he showed up.”

    I already saw this and mentioned it.
    The mountain range didn’t shatter. It shook for a few seconds.
    Everything was perfectly intact when the main character goes to the overworld a second later.
    Unless i’m missing something.

    “Also, that Giant of Babil was on the world map, meaning those explosions are easily a mile or more in diameter.”

    It was a cutscene, where we see that flying thing come and what not.
    What makes you say it was the world map?
    Do they usually use the world map for cutscenes?

    ” Any spell in Final Fantasy never does anything outside of gameplay (burns trees, shatters mountains, etc.) except when the plot decides it should happen. ”

    Well that’s too bad.
    What do you want me to do about it?
    Imagine up imaginary destructive values for them with no evidence?

    “Meaning you’ll only ever see the big bang for the buck when an evil person uses it.”

    Cool.

    ” As for powerscaling, as far as magic users go FF7 has probably the weakest magic users in the entire series.”

    You can’t powerscale 2 different games that don’t have diddly shit in common besides the titles.
    Just because FF7s meteor spell does something, doesn’t mean FF4s meteor spell does the same thing.
    Unless you can prove it.
    So please, get canon evidence or drop it.

  3. Ragnorke December 30, 2014 at 12:46 pm -      #103

    So how big is Final Fantasy 4s over world?
    Can you provide an estimate of the size of those so called “mountain ranges”?
    Why should i accept them as mountain ranges at all? instead of hills?

    There has to be some sort of scaling somewhere on the internet.

    And even if the titan “mountain busting” feat is really what you claim it to be, i hope you realize its still a speck of dust compared to Deathwing.
    Let alone Sargerous & Medivh.

    Even Archimond was able to collapse an entire city (a real city, with multiple castles and such, not those tiny villages in FF), with the flick of his hand.
    And he’s no where near the top of the food chain.

    …Does FF have any real counters?
    It seems like WoW can do everything FF can, but 10 fold.

  4. Soulerous December 30, 2014 at 12:46 pm -      #104

    @Ragnorke- “I think warcraft 3 cutscenes are the closest we can get to seeing their potency.
    -There are also many feats in novels and even in-game scripted scenes and WoW cinematics.
    ~
    Arthas plagued an entire town with hundreds of people almost instantly.
    That was before he became the lich king.

    -I’m not sure what you’re referring to.
    ~
    It was in warcraft 3 as well though…
    It certainly isn’t casual, it needs some sort of Champion or Hero to perform.
    They need to be in a state “near death”, rather than completely gone.

    -In the instances of it happening the targets have been completely dead. Resurrection is possible within Warcraft, there’s simply no system/defined parameters for it, and as such it is impossible to say when such things can occur, with one exception.
    ~
    Can they keep up with brand new games? of course not. It’s a 12-13 year old engine.
    -That’s a common misconception. The engine actually gets updated with every expansion. It’s a very different engine from when it started 10 years ago.
    ~
    @Ciridae Hunter- “Seriously, though-why are WoW graphics practically the same when they supposedly have enough funding from being the worlds biggest MMORPG?
    -Some are the same because old models don’t get abandoned. We simply get new models with each new expansion. The original wolf models are still in use in the “vanilla areas” of WoW, but in Draenor we have shiny new wolf models. Replacing everything at once would be a waste of resources.
    ~
    These are hardly the same graphics as what we’ve had.

  5. Ragnorke December 30, 2014 at 12:54 pm -      #105

    “-I’m not sure what you’re referring to.”

    I believe it was the Frozen Throne expansion.
    You’re already a Death Knight.

    You stop by quite a few cities, plaguing them as you go, growing your army of undead.

    Even in warcraft 3, when Arthas was still a Paladin, you encounter cities that get plagued, and everyone in them becomes an undead.

  6. Rookie December 30, 2014 at 1:02 pm -      #106

    @Ragnorke

    “Correct me if i’m wrong, but that’s an entirely different game isn’t it?
    Does it mention anywhere that powerscaling between the 2 games is even remotely applicable?”

    Personally I do not like to accept the powerscaling between FF games (mostly because they have their own feats and well it’s a different universes)
    But I do know that some people think that FF4 magic is stronger than FF7 because Golbez have a canon victory over Sephiroth in one en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissidia_Final_Fantasy games and because Sephiroth stated that Golbez’s magic spells are more powerfull than materia.
    But again this doesn’t seem right, because creators of FF once stated that Sephiroth is the strongest villain in FF series. Why should he have inferior powers? But that statement also doesn’t make much sense because Sephiroth have zero solar level threat feats, much less universal feats (like Neo Exdeath or Ultimecia).
    So yeah. I know that people probably thinks about FF7 meteor when they said that meteor in FF can destroy planets. But I do not know and do not like the idea about powescaling between the games, because there is just too much different between the games.

  7. Friendlysociopath December 30, 2014 at 1:06 pm -      #107

    If they’re different games, then they’re different spells.
    Unless you have canon proof, please don’t bring it up again.


    When you have a clue what you’re talking about I’ll gladly listen to you. Till then, you drop it.
    I have better things to do then listen to you go “nuh-uh” about a subject you admit you know little to nothing about.

    Well that’s too bad.
    What do you want me to do about it?
    Imagine up imaginary destructive values for them with no evidence?


    There’s been evidence presented for all of those spells and summons doing far greater things than they do in battle. It’s not imaginary values. Exdeath sinks an island with Quake. Kuja lifewipes with ultima. Fire magic blows up buildings in one cast. Blizzard has frozen opponents solid.

    Unless i’m missing something.

    You’re missing a lot actually.

    You can’t powerscale 2 different games that don’t have diddly shit in common besides the titles.

    They have more in common that the title and I can powerscale whatever the hell I want if you don’t have the knowledge to prove me wrong.

  8. Rookie December 30, 2014 at 1:36 pm -      #108

    @Ragnorke

    By the way, if you ever decide to try and play in FF games I recommend start with: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Tactics because of the story and characters.

  9. Ragnorke December 30, 2014 at 2:23 pm -      #109

    @Friendly
    “I have better things to do then listen to you go “nuh-uh” about a subject you admit you know little to nothing about.”

    So instead of going and getting the evidence that you NEED to provide in order to make this argument viable, you’re using the “you know nothing about this! so shut up!” argument.
    Smart.
    I KNOW i’m clueless about this, which is exactly WHY you need to prove what you’re saying.

    Do you think your word holds any grounds here unless backed up?
    It doesn’t.

    ” It’s not imaginary values. Exdeath sinks an island with Quake. Kuja lifewipes with ultima. Fire magic blows up buildings in one cast. Blizzard has frozen opponents solid.”

    That means THOSE characters are capable of doing those things.
    Obviously different casters have different potency with spells, due to experience or power.
    You’re assuming every caster would have the same effect if they use the same spell, which isn’t the case at all.

    Doesn’t gear effect the potency of skills?
    Doesn’t “level” effect the potency of skills?
    And just general stats?

    “You’re missing a lot actually.”

    Then how about you tell me what i’m missing and actually contribute to the DEBATE, instead of going down the “you don’t know what you’re talking about, so shut up” route.

    I saw the video posted, and i described to you what i saw.
    Now tell me what i’m missing.

    “They have more in common that the title and I can powerscale whatever the hell I want if you don’t have the knowledge to prove me wrong.”

    *ding ding*
    That’s the fallacy bells!

    Ever heard of the burden of proof?
    No?
    Well read up on it. It’s on you.

    You’re making a positive addition to the debate by using power-scaling, thus you need to justify it.
    Asking me to prove why you can’t use the power-scaling, is asking me top prove a negative, which is a fallacy.

    Person X: My cat is stronger than superman.
    Person A: Prove it.
    Person X: I can say whatever the hell i want if you don’t have the knowledge to prove me wrong.

    ^ see the problem with that?
    Sure, you can say or powerscale whatever the hell you want.
    But your word doesn’t mean shit.
    So grow up and start debating properly.

  10. Kitten Lord December 30, 2014 at 3:31 pm -      #110

    Power scaling is often daft anyway, does the actual in-universe entity have a feat or not? if its not got any feats and its just limp hearsay on their power level being beyond a known standard then we don’t know how to gauge it specifically.

    -

  11. Friendlysociopath December 30, 2014 at 3:50 pm -      #111

    Well read up on it. It’s on you.

    Nice job covering up your complete lack of evidence that it doesn’t work the way you said it does by repeatedly crying “prove it”. You know nothing about this area so don’t tell others how it works.
    This would be like me trying to tell you you’re wrong about comics. You’ve already responded to others in this exact same fashion, climb off your high horse.

    You’re making a positive addition to the debate by using power-scaling, thus you need to justify it.
    Asking me to prove why you can’t use the power-scaling, is asking me top prove a negative, which is a fallacy.


    I didn’t ask you to prove anything, so your analogy is pretty off. I told you to not tell others how it works when you don’t have the slightest idea. Your response wasn’t “prove statement x” your response was a glorified “no because I said so”.

    Obviously different casters have different potency with spells, due to experience or power.

    Actually no, there’s no proof at all that’s how it works in Final Fantasy. At least not beyond the “magic power 99 does x damage while magic power 100 does slightly higher than x damage”.
    You learn the spell, the spell functions as the spell is designed to, that’s why you have higher tiered fire spells like fira and firaga, base fire barely does anything- regardless of the user. That’s why the plot for several games is- “I need a bigger and better spell”.

    As for how I know all magic works like it does in previous titles
    1) Occam’s razor. The answer with the least assumptions is the best answer. You need a solid reason that the spells do not work exactly like they’re described to just because they’re in a different game.

    2)
    Dissidia.
    Everyone is canonically from their home worlds, and their various magics all work the same. Even the magics that have different sources (materia vs power of the gods vs just a talent).
    Fire spells? They produce balls of fire. Blizzard spells? Shards of ice hit the enemy. Flare? Fires streams of energy at the enemy. All different magics from different worlds. All functioning in similar manners.

    But I do not know and do not like the idea about powescaling between the games, because there is just too much different between the games.

    I was referring more to how magic in FF7 takes a distinct back-seat. Even in spin-offs it’s clear most of that particular cast likes fighting physically more than using magic. Where as in other Final Fantasy titles magic is given a much more important role in the plot and for their characters to use.

    For the record, I still think Final Fantasy 4 is losing both scenarios.

  12. Ragnorke December 30, 2014 at 4:02 pm -      #112

    @Friendly
    “Nice job covering up your complete lack of evidence that it doesn’t work the way you said it does by repeatedly crying “prove it”. You know nothing about this area so don’t tell others how it works.”

    YOU are trying to powerscale here. Not me.
    YOU are powerscaling without posting ANYTHING to justify how or why you’re using powerscaling.

    You expect me to just accept you powerscaling 2 different characters from 2 different universes/games, without you posting ANY evidence whatsoever?
    No.

    “. I told you to not tell others how it works when you don’t have the slightest idea. Your response wasn’t “prove statement x” your response was a glorified “no because I said so”.”

    No, my actual response was:
    “Correct me if i’m wrong, but that’s an entirely different game isn’t it?
    Does it mention anywhere that powerscaling between the 2 games is even remotely applicable?”

    To which i wasn’t given a solid answer besides your OPINION.
    Believe it or not, your OPINION is not taken as a fact, unless… you know… You fucking support it.
    Which you’re refusing to do.

    “Actually no, there’s no proof at all that’s how it works in Final Fantasy.”

    You mean to tell me gear and stats do not effect your damage output at all?
    Which canonically represents the potency of a spell.

    If you say no, then i can use the same argument for WoW.
    And say every Druid is capable of performing the same spells Malfurion performs, with the same potency.
    Malfurion being a champion with thousands of years of magical experience.

    “You need a solid reason that the spells do not work exactly like they’re described to just because they’re in a different game.”

    THEY ARE DIFFERENT GAMES.
    A spell in one game does not carry over its feats to an entire different universe, which happens to have a spell with the same name.

    That’s literally the most ridiculous thing iv ever heard.
    As i said earlier, if you can provide even the SLIGHTEST bit of canon evidence that they are in fact the SAME spell, then sure.
    But you haven’t yet.

    Otherwise i can fucking say the WoW Meteor spell is the exact same too.
    Caus it has the same name.
    Hurr Durr.

    “Fire spells? They produce balls of fire. Blizzard spells? Shards of ice hit the enemy. Flare? Fires streams of energy at the enemy. All different magics from different worlds.”

    But it’s the same universe. It’s all Dissidia.
    You’re using a FF7 feat, for a FF4 spell.
    Which as far as I know (and you haven’t posted anything to say otherwise yet), they are totally different universes with nothing in common.

    “This would be like me trying to tell you you’re wrong about comics. You’ve already responded to others in this exact same fashion, climb off your high horse.”

    If i try powerscaling one character to another in comics, i would PROVIDE fucking proof.
    I wouldn’t just say “Thors lightning strike is universe busting, because this other characters lightning strike is universe busting”… And then ignore or shit-talk anyone asking me to prove it.

    So stop spewing out bullshit fallacies and actually back up what your saying.

  13. Cassie Hack December 30, 2014 at 4:23 pm -      #113

    Shockingly while gear does modify stats the gear doesn’t actually amp the effectiveness of magic save for maybe the gear in FF14. Aside from that possible change up magic altering stats usually only increase the amount of MP the character will have, or the resiliency to damage from elemental sources.

    The FF14 thing is due to my not yet leveling any of the caster classes so i don’t yet know if any of the items in that game bump damage or spell effectiveness.

  14. Friendlysociopath December 30, 2014 at 4:29 pm -      #114

    It’s all Dissidia.

    See? That right there, you’re telling me I’m wrong when you don’t know any better. You’ve gotten angry at people for pulling this exact same stunt on you. I understand now why you got so annoyed, it’s frustrating to be on the other side.

    Being moved to Dissidia universe (which is just Final Fantasy 1’s universe, not a separate universe) doesn’t affect their magic in any way. Everyone’s magic is still based on their source universe. Cloud uses fire via materia. Terra doesn’t use materia to cast her spells but her fire works similar to Cloud’s fire. I *have* a good reason for everyone’s magic to function the same, we’re shown in a canon crossover that everyone’s magic is working in similar fashions despite being from different sources.

    A spell in one game does not carry over its feats to an entire different universe, which happens to have a spell with the same name.

    Firstly, canon statements from the developers link several of the universes together, such as the Shinra from FFX being the Shinra that starts the Shinra company in FF7.

    Secondly, (this probably should’ve been first) I would agree with you if we didn’t have Dissidia showing us everyone’s magic does in fact work the same.

    On an ending note, the FF13 series (which I do not like and am not happy I now have to pay attention to) apparently is pointing to every Final Fantasy actually being in the same damn universe due to them actually being able to make new planets.

    You mean to tell me gear and stats do not effect your damage output at all?

    In game mechanics, sure. You want to debate game mechanics? Cause I think FF4 can one shot any enemy by throwing money at them.

  15. Ciridae Hunter December 30, 2014 at 4:55 pm -      #115

    Aside from Dissidia, Final Fantasy 13 actually shows crossover between universes, from being able to fight Gilgamesh to in-game references to Sephiroth almost destroying the world. Characters can summon creatures such as Bahamut, guns do jack shit nine times out of ten, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera (props to whomever gets the reference).

    I keep hearing people discard the island-destroying feat because they think the island is small, but keep in mind how ugly the game would become if they had gigantic islands with millions of NPC’s; towns would be crowded, town-to-town travel would take forever, and the sheer cost of animating would have been asinine to consider (back then). The island was kept small because:
    1. Would have been pointless to animate because of expense
    2. Screen size/graphics made large-scale animation insanely difficult and hideously grotesque

    Honestly, these two reasons are more than enough to justify why Square kept the island small.

  16. pimpmage December 30, 2014 at 5:07 pm -      #116

    Sabin from VI needs a match on this site. I’d love to see some train suplex action.

  17. Ragnorke December 30, 2014 at 5:11 pm -      #117

    “Firstly, canon statements from the developers link several of the universes together, such as the Shinra from FFX being the Shinra that starts the Shinra company in FF7.”

    WHY COULDN’T YOU HAVE JUST MENTIONED THIS EARLIER?!

    You were literally asking me to believe you, based on nothing.
    How on earth was i supposed to know about these canon statements?
    It’s a Debate where we discuss which side wins, not a debate on who knows more about Final Fantasy.
    You’re supposed to PROVE your claims to your opponents. Your word is not the word of god.

    Either way, you still need to post this.

    “. I *have* a good reason for everyone’s magic to function the same, we’re shown in a canon crossover that everyone’s magic is working in similar fashions despite being from different sources.”

    Great.
    Now we’re getting somewhere.
    So why didn’t you just post this 10 posts ago? Or atleast… i dunno… MENTION it to me.

    “See? That right there, you’re telling me I’m wrong when you don’t know any better.”

    I’m not saying you’re wrong.
    I’m telling you to fucking SUPPORT what you’re saying.
    And until you support it, you’re still potentially wrong, or potentially right. Either way makes no difference until evidence has been provided.
    You know, by posting SOMETHING, ANYTHING, regarding these crossovers or developers statements.

    ” understand now why you got so annoyed, it’s frustrating to be on the other side.”

    I’v never attempted to powerscale 2 different showings/feats without posting it, and justifying it.
    You haven’t posted jack shit, and it still seems like you have no intent of posting it any time soon.
    Don’t fucking compare it.

  18. Rookie December 30, 2014 at 5:16 pm -      #118

    Hey, if anyone will have time, could you help me with my next idea for match?
    BankGamblingtopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=148603

    @pimpmage

    “Sabin from VI needs a match on this site.”

    How about finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Zell_Dincht

    @Ciridae Hunter

    “to in-game references to Sephiroth almost destroying the world. ”

    I am curious, what reference was it?

    “from being able to fight Gilgamesh”

    Isn’t there is a tons of Gilgamesh versions in FF games and they look mostly the same? Like for example:

  19. Ragnorke December 30, 2014 at 5:20 pm -      #119

    @Rookie
    “Hey, if anyone will have time, could you help me with my next idea for match?
    BankGamblingtopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=148603″

    BLASPHAMY.

    The only people i know in the second team are Rand & Kaguya, and they both get shit stomped by comics.
    I’m guessing Vampire Hunter D is in the same boat.

  20. Rookie December 30, 2014 at 5:25 pm -      #120

    @Ragnorke

    “The only people i know in the second team are Rand & Kaguya, and they both get shit stomped by comics.”

    Even by current Iron Man?

    About Shrike, well this I found: www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/wally-west-vs-shrike-1521404/
    forums.spacebattles.com/threads/the-flash-dc-comics-vs-the-shrike.203267/
    He\It looks like a solid member against Flash, since it was never clear who would win.

  21. The Ultimate Overlord December 30, 2014 at 5:35 pm -      #121

    “He\It looks like a solid member against Flash, since it was never clear who would win.”
    Has the Shrike ever pulled off something close to an IMP or see events that happen in less time than an atto second? If not then Flash ( Wally West) owns him.

  22. Rookie December 30, 2014 at 5:41 pm -      #122

    @The Ultimate Overlord

    “Has the Shrike ever pulled off something close to an IMP or see events that happen in less time than an atto second? If not then Flash ( Wally West) owns him.”

    His regular speed compared to the human in Time Suit, they were fighting against enemies who could use time tricks as well:

    “He blinked, realizing that something was wrong with the image. Then it came to him: besides the thickness of the light and his enhanced perception of energy fields, nothing was moving. The Ouster troops, even those set in attitudes of motion, were as stiff as the toy soldiers he had played with as a boy in the Tharsis slums. The EM tanks were dug into their hull-down positions, but Kassad noticed that now even their acquisition radars – visible to him as concentric purple arcs – were motionless. He glanced skyward and saw some sort of large bird hanging in the sky, as unmoving as an insect frozen in amber. He passed a cloud of windblown dust hanging suspended, extended one chrome hand, and flicked spirals of particles to the ground.

    Ahead of them, the Shrike strode casually through the red maze of sensor-mines, stepped over the blue lines of tripbeams, ducked under the violet pulses of the autofire scanners, passed through the yellow containment field and the green wall of the sonic defense perimeter, and walked into the assault boat’s shadow. Moneta and Kassad followed.

    -How is this possible? Kassad realized that he had posed the question through a medium that was something less than telepathy but something far more sophisticated than implant conduction.

    -He controls time.

    -The Pain Lord?

    -Of course.”

    “Kassad ducked as the laser beam crept past his shoulder, burning its way through the air like a slow fuse of ruby light. Kassad smelled ozone as it crackled past. Impossible. I’ve dodged a laser! ”

    “Kassad was outside by then and he watched the particle beams and high-intensity lasers creep towards him which seemed to move so slowly that he could have written his name on them in flight.”

    “The Shrike did not seem to move – to Kassad it merely ceased being here and appeared there. The Ouster commando emitted a second, shorter scream, and then looked down in disbelief as the Shrike’s arm withdrew with the man’s heart in its bladed fist. The Ouster stared, opened his mouth as if to speak, and collapsed.”

    “Behind her, the Shrike moved slowly through the chaos, choosing victims as if he were harvesting. Kassad watched the creature wink in and out of existence and realized that to the Pain Lord he and Moneta would appear to be moving as slowly as the Ousters did to Kassad.”

  23. The Ultimate Overlord December 30, 2014 at 5:47 pm -      #123

    @Rookie
    vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Flash_(Wally_West)

  24. Friendlysociopath December 30, 2014 at 5:48 pm -      #124

    So why didn’t you just post this 10 posts ago? Or atleast… i dunno… MENTION it to me.

    I did want to, my time is limited. I can’t type up everything at once. And honestly, for the most part my word has been enough for this site, maybe that’s my bad or people just haven’t been asking me for proof because they already knew what I was posting.
    But, you’d like some proof that some of the universes work the same so I will happily give it to you now that I have the time.

    From Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega:
    Shinra is a boy who supports the Gullwings, the group which the main protagonist, Yuna, belongs to. He carries a name that gives him an association to the Shin-Ra Company, and he is researching a method that could utilize the energy of “the life force that flows through our planet.” The results of this cannot be seen in FFX-2, but maybe one day his descendants will establish a “company that supplies the energy of the planet”?

    In the Final Fantasy X-2 Ultimania Kazushige Nojima said the following:
    After quitting the Gullwings, Shinra received enormous financial support from Rin, and began trying to use Vegnagun to siphon Mako Energy from the Farplane. But, he is unable to complete the system for utilizing this energy in his generation, and in the future, when traveling to distant planets becomes possible, the Shin-Ra Company is founded on another world, or something like that……. That would happen about 1000 years after this story, I think.

    Hey, if anyone will have time, could you help me with my next idea for match?

    I’m guessing by that you mean you want people who can take on Superman in a fight? and who have the speed to deal with Flash? You ask no small favor good sir. Even with DC’s retcon Superman’s already back to absurd strength levels and Flash is uberspeed beyond almost anything I know of. I feel like your only recourse is other comic characters. I don’t know of many anime, movie or video game characters with the feats to stand up to that level of power that aren’t outright omnipotent.

  25. The Ultimate Overlord December 30, 2014 at 5:55 pm -      #125

    “I don’t know of many anime, movie or video game characters with the feats to stand up to that level of power that aren’t outright omnipotent.”
    Royal Knights ( digimon )

  26. Ragnorke December 30, 2014 at 6:00 pm -      #126

    @Friendly
    “I did want to, my time is limited.”

    You didn’t necessarily have to post it right away.
    You could have at least told me it exists.

    ” And honestly, for the most part my word has been enough for this site,”

    It’s not a matter of not trusting you. If you had TOLD me that there’s canon crossovers and dev quotes, i WOULD have believed you, and waited for you to post it at your leisure.

    You just literally never mentioned it.

    You claimed they are the same spell. But never gave me a reason as to why i should believe that, any more than i should believe Marvel & DC sharing feats.
    That’s actually how alien what you were saying sounded to me.

  27. Friendlysociopath December 30, 2014 at 6:15 pm -      #127

    You just literally never mentioned it.

    I didn’t? Oh, fair nuff then. My bad.

    Royal Knights ( digimon )

    Annnnnnd those are going to stand up to Superman? Hyperbole isn’t going to save the day for that scenario, you need a hard feat of them tanking the amount of force Superman can dish out. And you still need someone to deal with Flash.
    Question, is planet-busting allowed in that scenario? If it isn’t that does narrow the options slightly. Doesn’t Sailor Moon actually have good feats? I recall her being put up against the GEoM and it actually being a hella stomp in her favor and someone else mentioned she could solo the DBZ universe.

  28. Soulerous December 30, 2014 at 6:21 pm -      #128

    @Ragnorke-“You stop by quite a few cities, plaguing them as you go, growing your army of undead.

    Even in warcraft 3, when Arthas was still a Paladin, you encounter cities that get plagued, and everyone in them becomes an undead.

    -You grow your army simply by slaying enemies in battle and raising them with necromancy. The incident during Arthas’ paladin days was a result of villagers accidentally eating plagued grain, which turns them undead directly. That’s the actual Plague of Undeath though, not the diseases that death knights inflict enemies with while fighting them. If I knew any scenes of these being used I’d share them.
    ~
    At any rate, do we all agree that WoW wins Scenario 2 via casual planet-busting?

  29. The Ultimate Overlord December 30, 2014 at 6:30 pm -      #129

    @Friendly
    withthewill.net/threads/14223-Alpha-Gain-Force-and-Omega-Gain-Force
    I also heard that Omegamon and Alphamon are universal.

  30. Aelfinn December 30, 2014 at 7:53 pm -      #130

    “Hey, if anyone will have time, could you help me with my next idea for match?
    BankGamblingtopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=148603″

    I know that Rand can actually stand up to a good percentage of comics, but anyone capable of, say, lightspeed-reactions would stomp him. The Shrike has some utterly insane speed feats, as shown above, and he might even be faster than current Superman/Flash (I seem to remember some calcs putting him at trillions of times FTL), but I don’t know if he puts out enough power to actually kill Superman. This is the problem: the people who have some way of actually killing Superman are unlikely to be fast enough to do it. You need another fast-flying brick, or to get rid of Superman. They don’t need to be capable of killing Superman, if you keep him, just fighting evenly with him at least for a little bit (as this is a team battle). Sentry from Marvel might be able to do it, and Shazam has a chance. You might also try Saint Seiya characters, as I know that franchise has a whole tier for explicitly lightspeed-characters. I’d suggest Asura, but his Destructor form would probably be too much for anyone in the fight to handle, while every lesser form probably can’t compete.
    =
    “Annnnnnd those are going to stand up to Superman? Hyperbole isn’t going to save the day for that scenario, you need a hard feat of them tanking the amount of force Superman can dish out.”

    I seem to recall some relatively low-tier digimon casually planet-busted by flying into a planet, so that should be a decent durability feat.
    =
    “At any rate, do we all agree that WoW wins Scenario 2 via casual planet-busting?”

    I don’t think Deathwing qualifies, if that is what you are referring to. Cataclysm showed a hypothetical future if Deathwing won, and while shit was real bad, the planet wasn’t gone or even life-wiped.

  31. Soulerous December 30, 2014 at 8:21 pm -      #131

    @Aelfinn- “I don’t think Deathwing qualifies, if that is what you are referring to. Cataclysm showed a hypothetical future if Deathwing won, and while shit was real bad, the planet wasn’t gone or even life-wiped.
    ~
    Not at all. Check post #41. Murmur is what I am referencing.

  32. Aelfinn December 30, 2014 at 8:36 pm -      #132

    “Murmur is what I am referencing.”

    Well yeah, I suppose when you include the Eldritch Abominations and insta-wins, that will tend to happen.

  33. Ciridae Hunter December 30, 2014 at 9:34 pm -      #133

    The reference-I believe this was the word-per-word quote-was “the warrior in black that almost destroyed the world”; I haven’t played any of the XIII games in a while, but I am fairly certain it is in XIII-2 in one of the Yaag Roche journals-I will have to look it up in the asscrack of dawn when I get off work

  34. Friendlysociopath December 30, 2014 at 10:28 pm -      #134

    In any case, Scenario 2 is such a long lost cause for FF4. They could literally drown in bodies, not counting the walking calamity that is Murmur.

    Scenario 1 on the other hand…
    Both cutscenes I’ve seen involving the Giant of Babil depict it being at least 5 times taller than the surrounding mountains. And the myriad of explosions he creates easily dwarfs the mountains themselves. Although I don’t think that lets us calculate the energy without a discernible blast radius, the fact that it can blanket-fire lasers that make explosions that big should be significant for a battle.

  35. The Ultimate Overlord December 30, 2014 at 10:34 pm -      #135

    @Rookie
    Add Hi-Andromon

  36. The Ultimate Overlord December 30, 2014 at 10:37 pm -      #136

    digimon.wikia.com/wiki/HiAndromon
    I just want to see him in a fight.

  37. Rookie December 31, 2014 at 6:36 am -      #137

    @Ragnorke , @The Ultimate Overlord, @Friendlysociopath, @Aelfinn

    Thanks for your help! How about this new team against members of Avengers and JL?
    The Shrike, Apocalypse, Yasha, Deus and Augus (all three from Asura’s Wrath), Saitama, Kaguya, D and (still need one more) sounds?

    @Ragnorke
    Can you calc a speed feat for Saitama?
    Here he was punched to the moon:
    img.bato.to/comics/2014/05/30/o/read5387d7ca4b1d6/img000013.png
    img.bato.to/comics/2014/05/30/o/read5387d7ca4b1d6/img000014.png
    Notice the debris around the “pillar of light: (Saitama)))

    And here he came back, yet debris of the ship is still falling (scan with moon, right next to Boros):
    img.bato.to/comics/2014/07/15/o/read53c4efb468d03/img000004.png
    img.bato.to/comics/2014/07/15/o/read53c4efb468d03/img000005.png

    How fast is this, considering that Saitama did it casually?

  38. pimpmage December 31, 2014 at 7:33 am -      #138

    I created an account on the topia to post on two matches. I was told I needed approval for both posts. Very disappointing.

  39. Rookie December 31, 2014 at 7:37 am -      #139

    @pimpmage

    “I created an account on the topia to post on two matches. I was told I needed approval for both posts. Very disappointing.”

    You need to create a thread here first BankGamblingtopia.com/viewforum.php?f=27 , like this for example: BankGamblingtopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=51467

  40. The Ultimate Overlord December 31, 2014 at 8:03 am -      #140

    @Rookie
    I was about to say another Disgaea character but none of them are reasonable, so how about Maxwell from Scribblenauts. I’m not joking.

  41. The Ultimate Overlord December 31, 2014 at 8:06 am -      #141

    Take a look.
    vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Maxwell

  42. Ragnorke December 31, 2014 at 8:58 am -      #142

    @Rookie
    “Thanks for your help! How about this new team against members of Avengers and JL?
    The Shrike, Apocalypse, Yasha, Deus and Augus (all three from Asura’s Wrath), Saitama, Kaguya, D and (still need one more) sounds?”

    I’m assuming you’re using new52 JL right? Caus pre-flashpoint JL was just… Not far off from pre-crises… And they were basically all on god mode.

    I’ll basically give you a run down of all the comic characters, and you can use that to judge whether it’s a fair match or not (since i don’t know most people in team 2)

    Superman New52: Lifted earth for 5 days straight without sunlight. Energy-wise, he should be able to lift the sun with relative ease.
    Billions of times FTL.

    Flash New52: Trillions of times FTL.
    Don’t think he has too much hax yet though.

    Batman (hellbat): Took a beating from Darkseid… But that’s about all we’ve seen it do.

    Martian Manhunter new52: Almost as strong as Superman.
    No good speed feats yet.
    Telepathy & intangibility are still there.

    Wonder Woman new52: Her Lasso was strong enough to subdue SuperDoom, and pull him into space.
    She was strong/fast enough to fight Kryptonians (Zodd & Fiora) along side Superman.

    Hal Jordan new52: He went up against a few of the New Gods if i remember correctly.
    At least millions of times FTL.
    His constructs can tank blows from Superman for a while.

    Thor: His blows have energy to shake faraway stars.
    FTL, but it’s hard to say how much.
    Mjolnir has tons of Hax that Thor doesn’t usually use due to PiS or CiS, including molecular manipulation & teleportation.

    Iron Man: Would depend entirely on Incarnation.
    At his prime he was killing Celestials, so there’s that.

    Hulk: Probably has the best strength feats here.
    Throwing away an antimatter bomb at FTL speeds, lifting the weight of a star, destroying a dimension.

  43. pimpmage December 31, 2014 at 9:58 am -      #143

    I was gonna say, instead of having just horus on there a canon fodder, you could use a composite primarch. All eras and all beings in one.

  44. The Ultimate Overlord December 31, 2014 at 10:09 am -      #144

    @Rookie
    If you are going to use Maxwell make sure to take away the ability to summon characters, adding adjectives to his opponents, and adding adjectives like invincible or omnipotent to anyone.

  45. Rookie December 31, 2014 at 10:27 am -      #145

    @Ragnorke

    “I’m assuming you’re using new52 JL right”

    Yes.

    “Batman (hellbat): Took a beating from Darkseid… But that’s about all we’ve seen it do.”

    He aslo managed to hurt Darkseid and absorbed some of the Omega Beams:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11114/111144301/4280142-batmanmonster.jpg

    “Martian Manhunter new52: Almost as strong as Superman.”

    Isn’t he took on entire JL? We know that he at least hurt Flash in that fight. Martian not won, but that should put him above Superman, no?
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/139138/2821348-2370070_mm.jpg

  46. Rookie December 31, 2014 at 11:27 am -      #146

    @Ragnorke

    How fast is this:
    img.bato.to/comics/2011/11/28/b/read4ed3ab93c9804/img000076.jpg
    img.bato.to/comics/2011/11/28/b/read4ed3ab93c9804/img000077.jpg
    img.bato.to/comics/2011/11/28/b/read4ed3ab93c9804/img000081.jpg

  47. Friendlysociopath December 31, 2014 at 12:34 pm -      #147

    Short answer: Fast
    Longer answer: Very fast

  48. Rookie December 31, 2014 at 12:37 pm -      #148

    @Friendlysociopath

    Then, I think that I found another member.

  49. Ragnorke December 31, 2014 at 1:14 pm -      #149

    “He aslo managed to hurt Darkseid and absorbed some of the Omega Beams”

    He had a crystal which absorbed the Omega Beams, and he then used that powered up crystal to power his suit up for the last few pages.

    “Isn’t he took on entire JL? We know that he at least hurt Flash in that fight. Martian not won, but that should put him above Superman, no?”

    That was way before all of Supermans good feats.
    It’s been a while since then.
    Also, MMH ran away from that fight… so…

    “How fast is this:”

    I’ll TRY and figure it out when i’m back.

    HAPPY EARLY NEW YEARS BTW!

  50. Ragnorke December 31, 2014 at 1:21 pm -      #150

    And it’s my birthday, so weeeee!!!!!

    I may or may not start posting stuff here while wasted.
    Forgive me if it comes to that.

  51. Numinous One December 31, 2014 at 1:24 pm -      #151

    What about Mars from Saint Seiya Omega, surely he fits the bill for MFTL brick. Though he may stomp Supes depending on N52 feats.

    EDIT: HAPPY NEW YEARS FROM AUSTRALIA.
    4:00am, haven’t gone to bed and I can feel the hangover kicking in.

    EDIT:EDIT: Happy Birthday Raggity Anne!

  52. Rookie December 31, 2014 at 1:57 pm -      #152

    @Ragnorke

    “Also, MMH ran away from that fight… so…”

    So we have a creature, which took on JL, hurted Flash and managed to get away with it.
    Sounds rather impressive.
    To me.

    “I’ll TRY and figure it out when i’m back.”

    Ok, I’l wait.

    “And it’s my birthday, so weeeee!!!!!”

    Happy Birthday, stay well, happy and safe for as many years as possible.

  53. Ciridae Hunter December 31, 2014 at 2:02 pm -      #153

    Happy b-day!

  54. The Ultimate Overlord December 31, 2014 at 2:40 pm -      #154

    Rookie, is that Dark Schiender? If that is him I think the match would be stomp worthy.

  55. Rookie December 31, 2014 at 2:44 pm -      #155

    @The Ultimate Overlord

    “Rookie, is that Dark Schiender? If that is him I think the match would be stomp worthy.”

    I will use other guy (the one who is fighting with DS), without his DA. That way he will only be at balck hole level.
    I am not sure if DS can even die, so using him is useless.

  56. Rookie December 31, 2014 at 4:02 pm -      #156

    Almost forgot.

    Happy New Year everyone!

  57. wingedlion December 31, 2014 at 4:22 pm -      #157

    Have a wonderful new years everyone!!

  58. Ciridae Hunter December 31, 2014 at 4:36 pm -      #158

    Have a funtabulicious new year, everybody!

  59. The Ultimate Overlord December 31, 2014 at 6:32 pm -      #159

    @Rookie
    Have you suggested the match yet?

  60. Aelfinn December 31, 2014 at 6:54 pm -      #160

    “The Shrike, Apocalypse, Yasha, Deus and Augus (all three from Asura’s Wrath), Saitama, Kaguya, D and (still need one more) sounds?”

    Kinda liked Rand being there…but that team works so long as Apocalypse can go even with Superman. I think.
    =
    In response to Ragnorke’s rundown: Thor likely doesn’t have FTL reactions, and the Hulk’s strength feats are debatable.
    =
    Regardless, Happy New Year and Happy Birthday!

  61. The Ultimate Overlord December 31, 2014 at 6:57 pm -      #161

    Happy New Year to everyone and happy birthday to Ragnorke.

    I’m surprised no one has said anything about suggesting Maxwell.

  62. Rookie December 31, 2014 at 7:01 pm -      #162

    @The Ultimate Overlord

    No still thinking. It’s near finished though.

    @Aelfinn

    “Kinda liked Rand being there…but that team works so long as Apocalypse can go even with Superman. I think.”

    I am still thinking about how to make it more fair. So far my final idea for team is:

    The Shrike, Apocalypse, Yasha, Deus, Augus, Rand al’Thor, Saitama, Kaguya and Uriel (without his DA).

    Personally, I don’t think I can make it any better, without adding a whole lot of comics characters (something I want to avoid) or without adding such OP characters as DS or Asura. FTL characters will go after FTL as I see it, while all others will fight and help however they can.
    But I want to hear what others thinks first.

  63. The Ultimate Overlord December 31, 2014 at 7:10 pm -      #163

    @Rookie
    Please add Maxwell.

  64. Neon Lord December 31, 2014 at 8:06 pm -      #164

    Happy New Years!

    And Happy Birthday to Rag!

  65. Friendlysociopath December 31, 2014 at 9:16 pm -      #165

    Indeed, Happy New Year and merry day of birth to Rag.

    Please add Maxwell.

    Maxwell who? It’s a fairly popular name.

  66. The Ultimate Overlord December 31, 2014 at 9:17 pm -      #166

    “Maxwell who? It’s a fairly popular name.”
    Scribblenauts

  67. Ragnorke January 1, 2015 at 7:48 am -      #167

    Thanks for the birthday wishes :3
    Some drunk idiot did a hit & run on my car, so that sucked.
    But happy new years :P

    “In response to Ragnorke’s rundown: Thor likely doesn’t have FTL reactions,”

    Thor does have FTL feats (flying to the sun & back in seconds), but it’s likely due to Mjolnir.
    Whether or not Thors reaction can keep up is debatable, the only thing we have to go with is powerscaling.

    2.bp.blogspot.com/-uVaLuGHW01I/T6Gr72rQ7DI/AAAAAAAABpM/XgTY3W5zCbU/s1600/Hero-Envy-Silver-Surfer-vs-Thor9e.jpg

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111132855/3421797-thor+deflects+hyperion.jpg

    i.ytimg.com/vi/PU6tE6LSB9g/hqdefault.jpg

    i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator02.jpg

    However, even Hulk has managed to succesfully fight all those people.
    So it doesn’t look like “Reaction time”, or speed in general, means diddly shit to Marvel writers.

    “and the Hulk’s strength feats are debatable.”

    Yea, most of the good ones go into unquantifiable Hax territory.

  68. The Ultimate Overlord January 1, 2015 at 11:29 am -      #168

    Any suggestions for a Disgaea match.

  69. Rookie January 1, 2015 at 11:57 am -      #169

    @The Ultimate Overlord

    “Any suggestions for a Disgaea match.”

    Overlord Zetta and Gorr ( marvel.wikia.com/Gorr_%28God_Butcher%29_%28Earth-616%29 ) vs asuraswrath.wikia.com/wiki/Chakravartin and finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Bhunivelze_%28Character%29

  70. Ragnorke January 1, 2015 at 11:58 am -      #170

    @Overlord
    They’re somewhere around casual Star Busters are they not?

    The Annihilators (hero team from Marvel) would be a nice bet.
    It contains: Beta Ray Bill, Nova, Ronan, Silver Surfer, Quassar, Gladiator

  71. Friendlysociopath January 1, 2015 at 12:18 pm -      #171

    Any suggestions for a Disgaea match.

    You mean on a single basis like Laharl vs opponent X or a universe battle?

    Laharl vs Asura already exists on this site.

    Considering it’s confirmed that only the weakest of Disgaea demons *can’t* starbust, that’d need to be some universe for a universe battle.

    I’d kind of like to suggest Adell vs Goku but that’s going to end badly once we count Fist-moves, Adell specializes in those, unlike Laharl. And they make you go obscenely fast.

  72. The Ultimate Overlord January 1, 2015 at 12:49 pm -      #172

    @Rookie
    Isn’t it star>planet?

    @Ragnorke
    Sure, but then I am going to need 1 more member.

    @Friendly
    “You mean on a single basis like Laharl vs opponent X or a universe battle?”
    If I do a universe battle I would use the whole Nippon Ichiverse.

  73. Rookie January 1, 2015 at 12:54 pm -      #173

    @The Ultimate Overlord

    “Isn’t it star>planet?”

    Most of the time and in most fiction, yes.

  74. Friendlysociopath January 1, 2015 at 1:22 pm -      #174

    If I do a universe battle I would use the whole Nippon Ichiverse.

    Holy shit there’d be so much chaos- Mugen Souls, Disgaea, Hyperdimension Neptunia (which also can summon characters from any video game universe).

    Oh, and Trenia, she who can do whatever the hell she wants so long as someone makes the wish. It’s like having a walking, talking, omnipotent Triforce.

    AND, Disgaea demons don’t die, they just reincarnate, don’t forget that little tidbit.

    annnnnnd Pram can see the future.
    That’s not even counting some of the spin-off games that just casually one-up everyone for the heck of it.

    SOUL NOMAD- GIG

  75. The Ultimate Overlord January 1, 2015 at 1:42 pm -      #175

    @Friendly
    Would Nintendo be a good match?

  76. Friendlysociopath January 1, 2015 at 2:17 pm -      #176

    Would Nintendo be a good match?

    I don’t think they have the firepower or the hax to deal with Disgaea alone, never mind all the other forces in Nippon Ichiverse.

    Bear in mind, Disgaea 4, alone, gives them at least 100,000 demons we’re sure can starbust, and something like 8,000,000 alien gods, plus the omnipotent Judeo-Christian God. That’s not mentioning that humans had the technology to artificially create demons at a phenomenal rate.

  77. The Ultimate Overlord January 1, 2015 at 3:04 pm -      #177

    @Friendly
    Saint Seiya?

  78. Friendlysociopath January 1, 2015 at 3:27 pm -      #178

    Saint Seiya?

    I don’t know much about that so I can’t be sure. The last I heard was they had people who could go FTL for attacks.
    For contrast, I know Rag calculated Fist-fighters in Disgaea go around 5,000x Faster than Light for some of their attacks.

  79. Ragnorke January 1, 2015 at 4:06 pm -      #179

    Why not match them against Marvel or pre-flashpoint DC?
    Obviously banning anything above universal.

    I mean… Neither Marvel or DC have anywhere near that many starbusters, but the ones they do have are very greatly above it.

    Problem with universal matches of this scale are all the hax “insta-win” artifacts and stuff.

  80. The Ultimate Overlord January 1, 2015 at 4:33 pm -      #180

    @Ragnorke
    I’ll go with Marvel, but where should it take place?

  81. Ragnorke January 1, 2015 at 4:40 pm -      #181

    Does it matter? everything’s gunna go boom xD

  82. Friendlysociopath January 1, 2015 at 4:49 pm -      #182

    Problem with universal matches of this scale are all the hax “insta-win” artifacts and stuff.

    Yeah, from what I’ve seen most universe matches progress to “Can they counter this insta-win card”? Dr. Who in particular makes me want to bash my head into a wall

    Let’s see, instant wins or other hax available for Nippon Ichiverse… mainly Disgaea cause I’m not entirely sure how many of the others are canonically part of the multiverse.
    1) Omnipotent Gods, I can think of at least three off the top of my head and there’s probably more.
    2) Wish, they’ve actually got a sentient magic book that will grant the wish you write in it if she likes your wish. This canonically can do anything, bring back the dead, destroy worlds, etc.
    3) [Questionable] Disgaea demons do not die. They voluntarily kill themselves just so they can reincarnate and come back even stronger. Laharl canonically does this and reincarnates as a Prinny then powers himself back up to his normal form.
    4) Time travel, rare cases, not widespread.
    5) God of X. Various characters are stated to be Gods over the actual dead, over love, etc.
    6) Fear, Disgaea demons will actually get stronger from the more fear they make humans experience. Except Valvatorez, who appears to just reality-warp his way to being strong via willpower.
    7) [Questionable] Any slain humans are given to side Disgaea as either Angels or Demons as Disgaea controls all facets of the afterlife.

  83. Rookie January 1, 2015 at 5:22 pm -      #183

    @Friendlysociopath

    “Disgaea demons do not die.”

    Fake Zenon is death. All 99 Overlords who were killed by true Zenon are dead (this is why nobody knows who Zenon really are)
    Zetta killed few demons too.
    Pram killed her father.
    Demons can die.

  84. The Ultimate Overlord January 1, 2015 at 5:28 pm -      #184

    I suggested the match.

  85. Friendlysociopath January 1, 2015 at 5:31 pm -      #185

    I did say it was questionable. I was referring to “perma-death” in any case. As in “you’re dead, gone, not coming back, end of story”.

    If they can reincarnate, clearly death doesn’t hold as much power over them as it would a regular mortal, especially if they can do it at will. Laharl dies and bounces right back via reincarnation in a substantially short timeframe.

  86. Ragnorke January 1, 2015 at 5:33 pm -      #186

    @Friendly
    Save it for the match buddy xD

  87. Friendlysociopath January 1, 2015 at 5:37 pm -      #187

    @Ragnorke
    Guess I will

  88. Ciridae Hunter January 2, 2015 at 1:08 am -      #188

    Fear the Prinny legions, for they shalt lay waste to all those whom stand against them, ruling over all astride steeds of fire and ash, and-

    Prinny for the win…y

  89. fiachre January 4, 2015 at 12:20 am -      #189

    I’ve been particularly interested in the mind rickety conversation because it could play such a crucial role. How does ffs mind control handle undead? wow has literally entire factions of them. As far as fighting goes, I think if WoW wins it will be in large part due to Arthas. Not only does he provide wow with what one of its strongest armies, his is also one of the largest. Not to mention that him and his princes are strong opponents on their own. My question is, how does ffs deal with the massive (limitless?) zombie armies arthas is providing?

  90. Soulerous January 4, 2015 at 7:31 pm -      #190

    How does ffs mind control handle undead?
    -It should work the same as mind-controlling anyone else, since Scourge undead are literally mortal minds in dead bodies. The difference is you’d have to either wrest the mind away from the Lich King himself, or else weaken/break his control over them beforehand.
    ~
    I think if WoW wins it will be in large part due to Arthas.
    -We have to remember though, this is taking place right before Archimonde destroys Dalaran. Arthas hasn’t merged with Ner’zhul yet, and much of what we saw in Wrath has not yet been made. Raising the fallen FF characters would still present a big problem, though.

  91. Friendlysociopath January 4, 2015 at 9:02 pm -      #191

    My question is, how does ffs deal with the massive (limitless?) zombie armies arthas is providing?

    I’d imagine in a very similar manner that WoW forces deal with them. Stab stab, magic magic, massive explosions a couple of miles in radius.

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