Hawkeye & Bobbi Morse Vs Oliver Queen & Sarah Lance

Hawkeye & Bobbi Morse Vs Oliver Queen & Sarah Lance

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Here we have Hawkeye (The Avengers, Marvel) and Bobbi Morse (Agents of Shield) facing off against Oliver Queen and Sarah Lance (Arrow, DC Comics).

Fight takes place in downtown Atlanta, in the Walking Dead universe.

Which team would win?

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37 Comments on "Hawkeye & Bobbi Morse Vs Oliver Queen & Sarah Lance"

  1. Ragnorke December 19, 2014 at 6:43 am -      #1

    Well i can certainly appreciate Sadot matching up all the Marvel/DC counter parts.
    I’m kind of surprised this hasnt already been done.

  2. Ragnorke December 19, 2014 at 6:52 am -      #2

    Some green arrow stuff

    Tornado Arrow:
    imgur.com/kbVSX3x

    Cyro Arrow:
    imgur.com/y1QsDES

    Sonic Arrow:
    imgur.com/lTwMSh1

    3D mapping from radio/sonic waves Arrow:
    imgur.com/k1LXpqy

    Green Arrow also had his massive/popular fight with Grundy.
    Ill try and find all of it.

  3. Ragnorke December 19, 2014 at 6:53 am -      #3

    Opps… This is movie versions… Okay ‘.’

  4. sadot06 December 19, 2014 at 7:07 am -      #4

    Some fights from Arrow and Sarah:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZqKY2URGIk

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOmU7jp2Qv0

  5. Warlock Lowk December 19, 2014 at 8:02 am -      #5

    Ollie has dodged arrows from a few feet away.

  6. Ragnorke December 19, 2014 at 8:41 am -      #6

    Hawkeyes movie feats are… well… meh…

    The aliens he was taking down in Avengers were dumber than my pet fish, and were getting killed by a hit from the blunt end of a gun.
    So not very impressive at all.

    His most impressive feat was possible the hellicarrier sabotage.

  7. sadot06 December 19, 2014 at 9:29 am -      #7

    Bobbi:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=D04L7jP6XpE

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToLBH1V0kIg

  8. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 19, 2014 at 10:12 am -      #8

    Like the match idea, but I don’t think Bobbi or Hawkeye have enough feats to really be able to give it to them. I think the only advantage Bobbi has over Arrow is that her fight with a superhuman she wasn’t as easily beaten as Arrow’s fights with them. Granted we don’t know how much they compare against each other. Think we should wait for more feats from Hawkeye in case he ever gets more at some point.
    =
    Anyone know if Hawkeye appears in any of the MCU comics? I know Black Widow does, and she has some impressive feats there.

  9. Ragnorke December 19, 2014 at 10:50 am -      #9

    It looks like Hawkeye has some solo infiltration scenes in the next Avengers movie. So that should add quite a bit i think.

    Oh, and Hawkeye has bigger triceps! so +1

  10. Friendlysociopath December 19, 2014 at 12:20 pm -      #10

    Walking Dead universe… how many arrows do the archers carry? The zombies might become an issue sooner or later.

  11. sadot06 December 19, 2014 at 1:15 pm -      #11

    “Walking Dead universe… how many arrows do the archers carry? The zombies might become an issue sooner or later.”

    30 each.

  12. sadot06 December 19, 2014 at 2:50 pm -      #12

    Hawkeye:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1JCLHSq3k

  13. Friendlysociopath December 19, 2014 at 3:11 pm -      #13

    30 each.

    Alright, sooner rather than later then. Way sooner.
    There’s what, 5 million people in Atlanta? If even 1/10,000th of that is zombified and in the area- that’s 500 zombies (and that’s optimistic as HELL) they may or may not have to deal with.

  14. Epicazeroth December 19, 2014 at 4:06 pm -      #14

    @Rag: “His most impressive feat was possible the hellicarrier sabotage.”
    I dunno. Shooting something – leading it no less – behind you without looking is pretty damn impressive.
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    @sadot: “30 each.”
    They’re fucked. Hawkeye has literally zero CQC feats. Bobbi has some. Ollie and Sara likely win by attrition. Seeing as they have actual feats.
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    Plus, yeah. Ollie and Sara have way higher reaction time. Arrow dodges and intercepts arrows (he shot one out of the air once) from less than 10 feet away, like every other episode.

  15. Friendlysociopath December 19, 2014 at 5:03 pm -      #15

    Btw, seems a decent thread to ask this- can anyone think of a good person to pit Vashyron against?
    Combat starts at 1:40 in
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6xFQ9dGfPY

  16. nsl98 December 19, 2014 at 5:22 pm -      #16

    @Friendly

    Is he dodging point blank? Or aimdodging? IDK, maybe new Dante.

  17. Ragnorke December 19, 2014 at 6:20 pm -      #17

    “I dunno. Shooting something – leading it no less – behind you without looking is pretty damn impressive.”

    Considering how stupid those aliens were, they probably walked right into it thinking it was tasty candy.

  18. Warlock Lowk December 19, 2014 at 10:36 pm -      #18

    Sarah impaled a guy with a baton? You know those blunt instruments with know points or blades on them.
    youtu.be/DsG0zG5FnY0?t=1m16s
    Does that count as a strength feat?

  19. Epicazeroth December 20, 2014 at 1:44 pm -      #19

    @CH1C: “her fight with a superhuman she wasn’t as easily beaten as Arrow’s fights with them.”
    Not true. Oliver took down at least a dozen Mirakuru Soldiers. If you’re talking about his fight with Barry, that’ not fair. He didn’t have any way to incapacitate Barry – like Bobbi did with Mack. Plus, Mack was more similar to the Mirakuru soldiers than to Barry.

    Plus, his fight against Slade. Slade had super-strength and superior fighting skills. Even on the Island, Oliver managed to at least hold his own against Slade.
    ===
    @Rag: “Considering how stupid those aliens were, they probably walked right into it thinking it was tasty candy.”
    True. It didn’t seem to notice that the guy standing 12 feet away was going to attack it. But that doesn’t make Hawkeye’s aim itself any worse.
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    @Lowk: “Sarah impaled a guy with a baton?”
    Also got a bunch of metal whatever-those-were’s dropped on her and got back up in like 10 seconds. Though, to be fair, that was a fairly narrow baton.
    ===
    @Friendly: “can anyone think of a good person to pit Vashyron against?”
    One question. Why the fuck are they using guns against people with that sort of reaction time?
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    @sadot: What types of arrows does Oliver get? And does Sara have her sonic grenade?
    ===
    Does anybody recall an instance of Ollie shooting at any real range? I can think of that time Hawkeye shot at Loki, but I can only remember the first episode feat for Ollie – when he shot that fire arrow across the island to light the bonfire.

    But yeah. I have to go with Team DC because only Bobbi has any meaningful feats combat-wise. And even then, the feats on Team Arrow are both more impressive and more numerous.

    Ollie and Sara are also both much more versatile. As of right now, we know they’re both able to fight with arrows, staves, swords, and guns.

  20. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 20, 2014 at 6:52 pm -      #20

    “Not true.”

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfmrdbU3AoM

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MY0-JEG-y8

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lledXN_q_Y at 2:04
    =
    “Oliver took down at least a dozen Mirakuru Soldiers.”

    When? Every one on one encounter he had with a Mirakuru enhanced person he got the crap beat out of him. The only time I can think of when he could actually take any down was when he had help from the LoA and they were shooting them all with a cure.
    =
    “Plus, his fight against Slade.”

    Pretty sure someone(I think Felicity)filled Slade up with the cure before they fought.

    Unless your talking about this:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmaYtqTeq_o

    In which case I wouldn’t call that a fight. Even then, Slade’s started monologuing(like all good villains)otherwise he just as easily could’ve taken him out there as at any other point the two fought in the show. Then there’s always the fact Slade doesn’t want to kill Ollie until the time was right, which it wasn’t at that point in time.

    CIS/PIS was the only thing keeping Arrow alive in his fights against Slade. The boat exploding and pinning Slade in their first fight, when he was trying to free Roy Slade started monologuing, and their last fight he wasn’t even roided out.
    =
    “Slade had super-strength and superior fighting skills.”

    Which could just as easily be chalked up to PIS since damn near every other time he fought someone with Mirakuru he got killed by them.
    =
    “Even on the Island, Oliver managed to at least hold his own against Slade.”

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2p51oankaQ

    Oliver was going to die if the ship didn’t decide to explode randomly and pin Slade down before he killed him with one hand.
    =
    “But yeah. I have to go with Team DC because only Bobbi has any meaningful feats combat-wise”

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEyE0rQAdfs

    Only decent feat Hawkeye has for CQC that I can think of(unless he has any in the MCU comics). And even then, he loses against Black Widow. Kinda hard to find good feats for him since he’s only appeared in two movies, and was pretty much in one scene for Thor, and he got sidelined in Avengers. Would’ve been AWESOME to see him in CA:WS… I’d’ve loved to see Falcon, Black Widow, and Hawkeye going up against WS or something in the likes. They had 3 villains in that movie, right? Plus mystery yellow truck man.

    Other than that Mockingbird’s feats consist of beating up a bunch of no name mooks, unlike Ollie who constantly fights and wins against named characters with renown skills in the Arrow/Flash-verse. The only feat that I can think of that puts MB any where near their level is beating a superhuman(something Ollie has yet to do), but even that is kinda iffy since we don’t know how enhanced he was in comparison to the Mirakuru soldiers. I’d assume they’re inferior since almost every superhuman that isn’t a named character got taken down by normal humans(Extremis soldiers, Deathlok, an Asgardian, etc).
    =
    Not that I think Team Marvel could win.
    =
    Anyone ever heard of The Raid films? I’m curious as to Rama or Mad Dog could do against someone from the MCU or any street level characters from the Marvel or DC films.

  21. Epicazeroth December 20, 2014 at 10:55 pm -      #21

    @CH1C: “Every one on one encounter he had with a Mirakuru enhanced person he got the crap beat out of him.”
    In the episode with Cupid, there’s flashback. He drives up and shoots a bunch of them with arrows to knock out/cure them. Which is basically what Bobbi did, but she used batons.

    But, given that it’s possible to make an argument that Ollie lost against Mirakuru soldiers, I’ll concede this point.

    “isn’t a named character … Deathlok, an Asgardian”
    Those are both named.

    Plus, I don’t see Hawkeye lasting more than three seconds against Ra’s al Ghul.
    ===
    Semi-relatedly, what about the Hobbit characters in a match like this? I mean, given that “The Battle of the Five Armies” was basically one 2-hour-long fight scene, they all have shit-tons of feats.

  22. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 20, 2014 at 11:42 pm -      #22

    “In the episode with Cupid, there’s flashback. He drives up and shoots a bunch of them with arrows to knock out/cure them. ”

    I was mostly referring to CQC since that seemed to be what most everyone has been talking about.
    =
    “Those are both named.”

    Meh, I was mostly using the term “named character” to refer to Cap, WS, Red Skull, etc. Since we see them pretty much kill all normal humans.
    =
    “Plus, I don’t see Hawkeye lasting more than three seconds against Ra’s al Ghul.”

    Neither do I given his feats, but who knows. He was able to last a while against Black Widow, so that should say he has some skill, but without seeing more he probably would loose quicker than that. He had a few CQC fights with the aliens though, didn’t he?
    =
    “Semi-relatedly, what about the Hobbit characters in a match like this? I mean, given that “The Battle of the Five Armies” was basically one 2-hour-long fight scene, they all have shit-tons of feats.”

    Legolas vs this guy(Rama):

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHt6sYe9w9M

    I’ve been trying to think of a way to introduce characters from that verse since they have some crazy feats(at one point Rama snaps a dudes leg like a toothpick).

  23. Epicazeroth December 21, 2014 at 3:52 pm -      #23

    @CH1C: “I was mostly referring to CQC since that seemed to be what most everyone has been talking about.”
    To be fair, Bobbi used her electro-batons to knock brainwashed!Mack out. Oliver doesn’t actually have any tricked-out CQC weapons. He doesn’t normally carry CQC weapons at all, aside from a knife I believe. Roy is the one with 12 different types of weapons strapped to his legs. And Bobbi got Mack from behind, whereas Oliver basically ran up to the Mirakuru soldiers.

    However, seeing as how Bobbi has a feat and Oliver only has extrapolation, it’s a non-issue.
    =
    “Legolas vs this guy(Rama):”
    Holy. Shit. That’s like watching the Matrix. Legolas would get wrecked. I actually found Dain and Thranduil to be more impressive than Legolas, though Legolas has more feats. Actually that was one of my favorite parts of the movie. The faction leaders and important figures were shown to be some of the most competent – even more so than the protagonists. Seriously, Dain and Thranduil were the best.

    Though, those guys he’s fighting don’t actually look that good at fighting. They’re definitely dangerous and deadly, but in terms of actual form, the Baseball Guy seems to mostly be swinging wildly.

  24. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 21, 2014 at 7:30 pm -      #24

    @Epic At work, so expect a more detailed response later.

    Have to rewatch the fight, but IIRC she still did better than most of Ollie’s fights went against Mirakuru soldiers. Granted, I’m almost certain Mirakuru soldiers are better than possessed Mack was.

    Raid characters are almost all on that level of craziness. The best fighter in both movies is probably Mad Dog from the first film. Rama and Prakoso (same actor as Mad Dog, different character)are probably second and third. Rama has the most feats since he’s the only one in both films that does anything(and probably the upcoming third)

    Nah, they’re both highly skilled. Only reason the baseball guy wasn’t as composed is probably because Rama killed his sister in front of him (hammer girl). Earlier in the film he has a decent fight, same with the hammer girl.

    I wonder if an Arrow verse or MCU character would be a good match up?

  25. Epicazeroth December 21, 2014 at 9:24 pm -      #25

    @CH1C: “I wonder if an Arrow verse or MCU character would be a good match up?”
    Depends. How strong are the Raid characters? For example, did he break the guy’s with a hold or kick, or did he just sort of grab it and “snap”? If Raid characters are solidly human – I’d say Arrow characters are around Olympic levels of fitness? – then probably. I haven’t watched it.

    Maybe they just looked bad because Rama was rapestomping them. Though I suppose their form doesn’t matter as much as their effectiveness.

  26. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 21, 2014 at 9:58 pm -      #26

    @Epic Raid characters are meant to be human levels, but clearly have to be peak at the very least. And as to the leg snap, he just grabs it and snaps it… Considering some of the crappie Rama went through I wouldn’t be surprised if he was the son of some Indonesian version of Captain America.

    Still at work, but I’ll post the other fight scenes with them. They’re pretty good, better than a lot of popular action heroes and some video ga me characters.

    I’d strongly recommend watching them. That director knows how to make badass fights. Those and Merantu(not sure on spelling)are pretty crazy fight wise. Pretty much the same cast throughout all thrwe movies. Merantu being completely different than the Raid films. Gareth Evans (or maybe Edward, I forget)just loves Rama’s actor and Yayan Ruhian, to the point that he doesn’t want to make a movie without them. I don’t blame him really

  27. Epicazeroth December 21, 2014 at 10:35 pm -      #27

    @CH1C: I’ll add it to my list of “action movies I want to watch because of awesome fights (plot optional)”. Yes, I have one of those.

    Warning: Incoming Conjecture
    The problem with rating Arrow characters is that they’re all wearing ultra-high-tech suits with probably millions of dollars of bleeding-edge technology in them. I mean, with Cisco, Felicity, and presumably soon Ray working on them, they would have to be. The problem with that is that we don’t know how hard they actually hit. I would assume the suits are designed to work in CQC, so even if they were hitting with 2,000 psi, we wouldn’t know.

    Of course that’s all just conjecture. Come to think of it, I don’t think they ever show actual strength feats. Lots of combat feats and fitness training, but I don’t think the normal human characters ever show any meaningful examples of unusual strength or durability.

  28. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 21, 2014 at 11:31 pm -      #28

    @Epic Plots not terrible actually. The first one’s a lot like Dredd. The second one’s a lot more complex than that though, but still pretty simplistic. It’s mostly just fight after fight after fight. With some fights going on for 5-6 minutes of straight fighting. There’s enough plot in them for Rotten Tomatoes to give them both 70-80% approval rating, if you take their words for how good a movie is.

    True, I actually never noticed that ,huh. Weird. Again still at work, so can’t post any vid’s or a thorough reply

  29. OriginalA December 21, 2014 at 11:36 pm -      #29

    “The problem with rating Arrow characters is that they’re all wearing ultra-high-tech suits with probably millions of dollars of bleeding-edge technology in them.”

    Sarash doesn’t. Huntress doesn’t. Diggle doesn’t. Deadshot doesn’t. Olie only recently got an upgrade to his threads. League of Assassins doesn’t (by extension also Malcom Merilyn). Wild Cat doesn’t. Pretty much the only person that has super ultra tricked out gear up the wazoo is Flash, and most of that equipment is to monitor his condition rather than for him to analyze the battlefield. … And Arrow’s mask, but that was for durability; it doesn’t actually do anything other than not-break.

  30. Warlock Lowk December 22, 2014 at 2:54 am -      #30

    Shooting arrows, arrow catching
    youtu.be/zgaM7UPRKkc?t=1m16s
    ===
    “Come to think of it, I don’t think they ever show actual strength feats. Lots of combat feats and fitness training, but I don’t think the normal human characters ever show any meaningful examples of unusual strength or durability.”

    Olivers’s got a pretty healthy dose of stamina and endurance going for him.

  31. sadot06 December 22, 2014 at 4:20 am -      #31

    Ollie scaled a mountain in the last episode before fighting Ra’s.

  32. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 22, 2014 at 2:32 pm -      #32

    @Epic Hammer Girl www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTrJa197dSk No clue why there’s music in that video, since it wasn’t in the movie. O wellz.

    Baseball Bat Guy: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LcQcHfal1o All the jumps made in the video are because the scenes keep switching between Hammer Girl, the Baseball Bat Guy, and this guy: www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO8A6f3Lii4 That guy being probably the fourth or fifth best fighter in the series(First it’s undoubtedly Mad Dog, Rama or Prakoso, being the next two, then Andi or that guy being fourth or fifth).
    =
    Granted, there’s not too many exceptional fighters, since most of the time Rama’s just taking on mooks, same as everyone else, but most of the named characters have at least one or two good fight scenes.

  33. Epicazeroth December 22, 2014 at 3:15 pm -      #33

    @OriginalA: Sara: She has access to a freaking sonic grenade. I don’t think it’s that much of a leap to say it’s at least possible she has non-standard armor.

    Huntress: She doesn’t have armor at all. She’s not even a trained fighter.

    Diggle: He hardly ever fights anyway. He’s mostly their backup and contact guy.

    Deadshot: Look again. He’s clearly wearing some sort of armor underneath his bandolier.

    Ollie: He was the billionaire CEO of Fortune 500 company with many ventures into scientific development. He definitely was not wearing plain green leather. Plus, his bow and arrows were both high-tech, so it’s irrational to assume he just wore dyed leather.

    The League: You may be right here; it may not be high-tech. I don’t know about the footsoldiers, but Nyssa’s outfit clearly offers at least some protection. I believe it has some metal, but I may be wrong.

    Wildcat: He’s been in one episode. Plus, he was only operating against common thugs several years before the show started.
    ===
    @sadot: “Ollie scaled a mountain in the last episode before fighting Ra’s.”
    And fighting shirtless on top of said mountain – it was clearly snowing – for several minutes. Other feats being that he only needed like three seconds to become proficient at using a pair of blades he had never even seen before. And, you know, lasting several minutes against Ra’s al Ghul.

  34. Warlock Lowk December 22, 2014 at 3:25 pm -      #34

    “Plus, his bow and arrows were both high-tech, so it’s irrational to assume he just wore dyed leather.”

    That was pretty much the first season. And the entire time he had been using the old bow from the island.
    I don’t think he had a high tech bow till season 3. It went old bow, compound bow, high tech collapsible bow.

  35. OriginalA December 22, 2014 at 8:59 pm -      #35

    Epicazeroth said: ” I don’t think it’s that much of a leap to say it’s at least possible she has non-standard armor.”

    Have you seen her outfit?
    www.slimfitjackets.com/image/cache/data/slimfit/women/tv%20series%20jackets/Arrow_Episode_17_Birds_of_Prey-Black_Canary_Costume-700×700.jpg

    It isn’t exactly power armor. It’s leather and tights. Her jacket, which is the only thing covering her arms, is just a leather jacket. Laurel freaken wears it all the time as an everyday thing now that she has it. There isn’t servos in that thing amping up her arm strength. She’s just fucking strong.

    “[Olie] definitely was not wearing plain green leather.”

    That’s exactly what he wore in Season 1.
    www.cosplayhouse.com/images/D/Arrow-Cosplay-Green-Arrow-Cosplay-Costume-Version-01-3.jpg

    www.therpf.com/gallery/data/950/medium/arrow-green-arrow-19.JPG

    “Wildcat”

    He was able to keep up with Olie just fine.

    Nyssa:
    images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/37500000/Nyssa-and-Sara-arrow-37572367-500-500.jpg

    Please, do enlighten me where this protection is? She’s got a bundle of straps over one breast and then cloth. Oh, and above her cleavage is exposed. Yup, totally protected.

    “Deadshot: Look again. He’s clearly wearing some sort of armor underneath his bandolier.”

    You’re backpedaling now. You made the implicit claim that Arrow characters had armor that augmented their strength.

    Aside from that, a slab of armor isn’t going to really do much. Nor is it exactly “bleeding edge” technology.
    img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140227054817/greenarrow/images/5/54/Deadshot_Michael_Rowe-7.jpg

    So, yeah, SHOW ME were the tech is in their costumes. Cause all I see are cloth and leathers for the most part.

  36. OriginalA December 22, 2014 at 9:13 pm -      #36

    Addendum: Arrow characters hit mooks all the time, and the mooks aren’t exactly wearing super high tech battle armor to absorb the attacks. So it’s perfectly valid to see how hard they can hit by measuring against mooks.

    Their armor only makes a difference when they are hit, and that wasn’t exactly clear by epicazeroth’s post 27 since that post seems to imply a correlation between the characters’ armor and how hard they can hit things.

  37. Epicazeroth December 22, 2014 at 10:05 pm -      #37

    @OriginalA: OK, I stand corrected. I admit, I usually couldn’t get a good look because literally everything is like five shades from black! But whatever; I was wrong.

    “You made the implicit claim that Arrow characters had armor that augmented their strength.”
    No. I made the explicit claim that the suits protect from damage. Because I find it utterly ridiculous that people who fight and kill every day wouldn’t wear some sort of protection. Though apparently they don’t. From some of the pictures, Nyssa looked like she was wearing metal armor.

    If you thought I was saying their armor augments strength, that was my bad. I should have worded it more clearly. I was saying that – at least currently – most of them are wearing something to protect against damage.

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