CTF – LOST Island

CTF - LOST Island

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TEAM ONE:
Master Chief (Halo), Vash the Stampede, Hawkeye (Marvel), Archangel Michael (Dominion), Hei (Darker than Black)

TEAM TWO:
Boba Fett (Star Wars), Wesley Gibson, The Punisher, Archangel (X-Men), Batman (DC Comics)

Fight takes place on the Island from LOST.

Standard equipment. Additional weapons will be spread across the Island. The smoke monster is present and will attack if it encounters anyone.

Which side wins?

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388 Comments on "CTF – LOST Island"

  1. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 6:20 am -      #1

    As far as I can tell no one on team 2 can stand up to Vash’s Angel Arm, but his CIS will prevent use. From what I found on a wiki Hei apparently destroyed a large portion of South America effortlessly. The rest of team one either is not needed here or I don’t know, but this looks like a stomp to me.

    First

  2. sadot06 December 17, 2014 at 6:38 am -      #2

    “Hei apparently destroyed a large portion of South America effortlessly.”

    He had no power in South America. The explosion of the gate caused him to gain his manipulation of electricity.

    “The rest of team one either is not needed here or I don’t know, but this looks like a stomp to me.”

    You should def learn more about both teams, this isn’t a stomp at all.

  3. sadot06 December 17, 2014 at 6:44 am -      #3

    To clarify some incarnations this is Anime Vash, Comic Wesley, EU Boba, Season 1 Hei, 616 Hawkeye.

  4. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 7:15 am -      #4

    “You should def learn more about both teams, this isn’t a stomp at all.”

    What I know:
    Vash: Casual bullet timer, cross shaped gun, arm gun, Angel Arm.
    MC: Splazor, most fanboys I have ever seen one character have, a really cool sword.
    Hawkeye: Never misses, archer, was once Ronin
    Hei: Electricity and quantum manipulation.
    Michael: You got me there.

  5. Skalkorik13 December 17, 2014 at 9:41 am -      #5

    If this is CTF ( capture the flag ) .. This should mean they all have battlefield knowledge and time to plan … In that case team 2 has Batman ,and i hate to admit it , with prep he is almost unbeatable … They also has Archangel ( depending on version ) is a beast and in flight is fast as hell … Michael is an “actual” Archangel , but in Dominion theyre just as fragile as humans … just a little faster and stronger … so id say he actually goes down pretty quick … Punisher shoots first asks questions later … Wesley doesnt even need line of site to hit you with bullets … Team 2 has a good chance at this

  6. sadot06 December 17, 2014 at 10:16 am -      #6

    “Michael is an “actual” Archangel , but in Dominion they’re just as fragile as humans … just a little faster and stronger …”

    Michael tanked an explosion and his skin and wings are bulletproof. The lower angels die to basic weapons but the higher ones require more powerful artillery to hurt.

  7. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 11:02 am -      #7

    Wait this is capture the flag? Team 2 has two flyers, so if someone on team 1 other than Michael doesn’t grow wings then team 2 is most likely going to win. My recommendation is give team one a can of Red Bull.

  8. Amm0vamp1r3 December 17, 2014 at 11:30 am -      #8

    I think team 2 takes it, they seem to have more “team players” on their side who are also pretty good at coming up with plans.

    Also what does punisher get when it comes to weapons? He doesn’t really have “standard” equipment

  9. sadot06 December 17, 2014 at 11:58 am -      #9

    “I think team 2 takes it, they seem to have more “team players” on their side who are also pretty good at coming up with plans.”

    Team 1 has the exact same thing.

    “Also what does punisher get when it comes to weapons? He doesn’t really have “standard” equipment”

    Vibranium blade, pistols, grenades, machine gun.

  10. Friendlysociopath December 17, 2014 at 12:15 pm -      #10

    Alright, to throw in a bit of info:
    Hei can manipulate electricity and manipulate matter at a quantum level. How much electricity escapes me but I do remember him shutting down an entire military building.
    Even without the meteor fragment he alters every atom in Heaven’s Gate to be some sort of opposite particle to what the bad guys wanted. His coat is bullet-proof.
    As a contractor, his specialty is understanding and countering the strange powers his opponents possess. He’s pretty much anime Batman- except he actually has powers.

    Btw, where are the flags and what weapons are scattered across the island?

    Suppose a map couldn’t hurt
    www.bitrebels.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/LOST-Geography-Map-1.jpg

  11. Skalkorik13 December 17, 2014 at 12:35 pm -      #11

    @sadot06

    Michaels wings are bullet proof not his flesh … hence why he survived … didnt quite tank … he survived the explosion behind him … He can be knocked out by electricity … A direct explosion can injure or even kill him … Hence why the senate of Vega were going to attempt a large explosion to kill him …

    As for the match … Between Batman coming up with a good plan … Boba , Punisher and Wesley laying down crazy ass cover fire … Archangel could get the flags and stay pretty well protected himself with his adamantium wings and wing blades

  12. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 1:27 pm -      #12

    I need feats for Wesley Gibson

    Looking at this match I feel like none of the two teams are gonna have enough information to come up with a solid plan at the start. Hawkeye is has information on Punisher and maybe Archangel, so team 1 has more information on 2/5 of team 2.

    The way I see it is that first encounter Vash incapacitates Punisher while Hawkeye deal with Archangel. Reason is these two are known and the rest aren’t. Now I’m going to take a guess that MC goes after Boba, Michael against Wesley, and Hei after Batman. Depending on how fast Vash can take out Pun he should assist in taking Wes. Seeing this as a losing battle team 2 would most likely try to escape and regroup. They may be able to come up with a plan, but if team 1 doesn’t show off all their tricks they can still pull of a win.

    Team 1 would favor direct confrontation, so what are the chances that will happen?

  13. Friendlysociopath December 17, 2014 at 1:28 pm -      #13

    Correct me if I’m wrong (never watched/read Trigun) but I remember hearing Vash blows a hole through the moon- if he’s got that level of firepower can’t he just destroy the side of the island the enemy is on?

  14. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 1:46 pm -      #14

    “Boba , Punisher and Wesley laying down crazy ass cover”
    Vash can possibly take them all on and pull off a win.

    “Between Batman coming up with a good plan ”
    He is not going to start out with enough information for a plan.

    “Archangel could get the flags and stay pretty well protected himself with his adamantium wings and wing blades”
    Unless he is covered head to toe in admantium he can be spotted by Michael then shot down by Hawkeye.

  15. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 1:49 pm -      #15

    Cause my phone is being annoying I meant to say that Vash can take on Boba and Punisher at the same time and win. Sorry for the triple post.

    @Socio
    His CIS prevents him from using it.

  16. Ragnorke December 17, 2014 at 2:09 pm -      #16

    I see no one has posted any real feats yet. I can only contribute to the comic characters, since I don’t have extensive knowledge on the rest.
    But I do have a general idea of most of these people, and I don’t think it’s a stomp match at all.

  17. sadot06 December 17, 2014 at 2:09 pm -      #17

    “Michaels wings are bullet proof not his flesh … hence why he survived”

    He’s mentioned on multiple occasions the futility of gun fire against his skin.

    “… didnt quite tank … he survived the explosion behind him …”

    He was a few feet away from a power plant being blown up and wasn’t injured.

    “Btw, where are the flags and what weapons are scattered across the island?”

    Generic weaponary and refills of their standard gear. The bases are the Temple and Jacob’s cave.

    “Correct me if I’m wrong (never watched/read Trigun) but I remember hearing Vash blows a hole through the moon- if he’s got that level of firepower can’t he just destroy the side of the island the enemy is on?”

    The game is capture the flag, not nuke it. And he only would use it as a last resort if it meant saving innocent people.

  18. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 2:16 pm -      #18

    @Ragnorke
    Feats for Wesley are needed.

  19. Ragnorke December 17, 2014 at 2:18 pm -      #19

    Warren has a healing factor. Knife and injection wounds heal almost instantly.

    Warren is too fast for wolverine to hit. And his wings contain toxins that paralyze anyone they cut.

    His wings instantly cut the wings off a plane.

    Only material harder than diamond can dent his wings.

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    i.imgur.com/yeUsX0W.jpg

    i.imgur.com/wkhJPop.jpg

  20. pimpmage December 17, 2014 at 2:21 pm -      #20

    Diamond are not hard. If you were to get a foot square block of diamond. You could still shatter it with a hammer blow.

  21. sadot06 December 17, 2014 at 2:26 pm -      #21

    “I need feats for Wesley Gibson ”

    Deflects bullet into guy’s throat with a knife:
    s93.photobucket.com/user/Markymark_016/media/Wanted05200421.jpg.html

    s93.photobucket.com/user/Markymark_016/media/Wanted05200422.jpg.html

    Bio:www.comicvine.com/the-killer/4005-40808/

  22. Ragnorke December 17, 2014 at 2:28 pm -      #22

    Kills a Godzilla clone that all the Avengers were stuggling with.

    Tanks heavy hit from holocaust. A mutant with nuclear power.

    Faster than an airforce jet. (he catches up to it and slices it in two)

    Agile enough to turn and dodge lasers while flying at full speed.

    i.imgur.com/g4OIt63.jpg

    i.imgur.com/WUBi147.jpg

    i.imgur.com/oE98SV9.jpg

    i.imgur.com/2RgOkT8.jpg

  23. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 2:47 pm -      #23

    @Ragnorke
    I’m going to guess those are not light speed and those were called force beams. I think Hei can take him and Micheal can find him in the air.

    @Sadot
    So far it seems Vash and Hawkeye can take Pun, Boba, and Killer by themselves.

  24. Aelfinn December 17, 2014 at 3:08 pm -      #24

    “Diamond are not hard. If you were to get a foot square block of diamond. You could still shatter it with a hammer blow.”

    You’re right and you’re wrong. You can shatter a diamond relatively easily – you’re right in that regard. However, a diamond IS incredibly hard – if you want to scratch it, you need to use another diamond. It’s just that HARDNESS often gets confused with TOUGHNESS. Just because you’re really hard doesn’t mean you can survive rough shit.

  25. Amm0vamp1r3 December 17, 2014 at 3:13 pm -      #25

    “Team 1 has the exact same thing.”

    Well Master Chief is a team play somewhat but that is debatable

    Vash, idk ive only seen that one movie he was in

    Hawkeye, I think he is, I mean he is an avenger

    Hei, ive only seen a few seconds on Darker Than Black before I turned it

    So all in all you have a point, except for the planning part, idk anyone on team 1 that is really good at coming up with plans, but that’s me.

    “Vibranium blade, pistols, grenades, machine gun.”

    what kind of blades? knives, swords, machetes?

    What kind of pistols? Glocks, Desert Eagles, Heckler & Koch?

    Grenades im just going to guess frags

    What kind of machine gun?

  26. Friendlysociopath December 17, 2014 at 3:15 pm -      #26

    Well let’s see, MC is able to dodge bullets when he’s in training, he’s likely a bit faster now but I don’t read the novels much so I can’t say how much his new augments increased his abilities.

    His energy shield should be able to take most of what Team 2 can dish out, and his armor isn’t too shoddy either. Specifics evade me at the moment for how much punishment his armor without the shield can take.

    Pretty sure he’s a crack shot, judging by this (Also, 3 cheers for dual-wielding)
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O3Dlujvyu0

    His default starting equipment is the battle rifle and pistols right? With a few frag grenades? Does he have any of the upgrades like armor lock or bubble shield?

    So all in all you have a point, except for the planning part, idk anyone on team 1 that is really good at coming up with plans, but that’s me.

    MC is regarded as a master strategist, Hei makes a living off of outplaying opponents with strange powers, and Vash is regarded as being uber-intelligent in his series.
    As for teamwork… Hei does have some feats of working with Shio and his doll, MC routinely leads fireteams, Hawkeye works with the Avengers just fine.
    I don’t know much about Vash and Mhichael.

  27. Amm0vamp1r3 December 17, 2014 at 3:27 pm -      #27

    “MC is regarded as a master strategist, Hei makes a living off of outplaying opponents with strange powers, and Vash is regarded as being uber-intelligent in his series.
    As for teamwork… Hei does have some feats of working with Shio and his doll, MC routinely leads fireteams, Hawkeye works with the Avengers just fine.
    I don’t know much about Vash and Mhichael.”

    Alright cool, thanks for that info

  28. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 3:30 pm -      #28

    “I don’t know much about Vash and Mhichael”
    Vash worked with a priest who had a multi function gun the shape of a cross which Vash kept after the priest died. Michael was working with some other people in the movie.

  29. Ciridae Hunter December 17, 2014 at 3:36 pm -      #29

    The environment plays as an advantage for Hei, since he was fighting/killing Contractors in South America even before he had his sister’s abilities shoved into him; Hei is largely a tactical fighter, waiting until he can surprise his enemies or kill them with electricity-if someone stands in some water, then they are pretty screwed. Even in full-on confrontations he is able to hold his own, taking on enemies like November 11 and the Magician with relative ease (turns any liquid to ice and controls matter around him respectively).

    Vash is able to destroy entire cities/screw the moon with his cannon, but he is shown to have little control of it and the rules of this match prevent it, anyway. Aside from that, Vash has a cybernetic arm which is also a machine gun, is a beast with his pistol and can typically take on entire groups of enemies with non-lethal tactics (so if he was to decide to kill, then watch out, Team Two)

    I don’t know shit about shit in terms of Archangel Michael.

    Master Chief pretty much tanks Punisher/Batman since he is used to fighting shielded enemies with hyper-advanced weaponry (compared with their gear), cloaking, and what I like to call the “Fuck-You” arsenal (Covenant vehicles, the Flood, Gravity Hammer-wielding Brutes. Boba has a chance so long as he keeps moving, but the Chief’s shields are a bitch to deal with since sitting in cover for a few seconds recharges them.

    So long as he gets cover from his team, Hawkeye can keep Archangel grounded with sonic arrows and explosive arrows, but the Island makes having any long-range combat a bitch since practically every inch is covered with trees.

    Where is the flag in relation to both teams?

  30. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 3:39 pm -      #30

    Trigun’s final fight:
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=TmPD-ktaQLM

  31. Ciridae Hunter December 17, 2014 at 3:47 pm -      #31

    Archangel has adamantium wings and the feather thing that he can do with them (do the feathers explode or is that someone else?), as well as high top speeds for flying. In a fight, he is mostly restricted to long range since he’s a bitch otherwise, but he has an inherent advantage in a CTF scenario so long as no one flings him into anything (that happens a lot with him)

    Boba Fett is Boba Fett (need I say more..?)
    Just kidding-Boba is the “son” of Jango Fett and is a full-blooded son of Mandalore (meaning he was essentially born for battle) and possessed a wide range of gear, from laser weaponry, the rocket launcher on his back (did he have one on his wrist as well or is that Jango?), I believe he has a flamethrower, and typical Star Wars thermal detonators. Mid to long-range combat is for him.

    Punisher I know little about, but aside from Batman he is the CQC expert of Team Two with an assortment of goodies he can use in all ranges of combat.

    Batman isn’t Hei (who is ironically called the Chinese Electric Batman in some circles), but he is a capable CQC fighter with high mobility and mid-range weapons which make him more versatile in generalized chase scenarios.

    Please post stuff for Wesley for I am stumped about him.

  32. Ragnorke December 17, 2014 at 3:49 pm -      #32

    “I’m going to guess those are not light speed and those were called force beams. I think Hei can take him ”

    Since when was hei hypersonic?

    Also, dodging ANYTHING while moving at your top speed is incredibly hard. It says alot about his reflex speed, meaning his reflex speed relative to his movement speed is FASTER than a normal humans reflex speed relative to their movement speed.

  33. Ragnorke December 17, 2014 at 3:53 pm -      #33

    “Archangel has adamantium wings and the feather thing that he can do with them”

    They aren’t adamantium.
    It’s the same bio-mechanical material that makes Apocolypses armor.

    He can however shoot out his feathers.
    And getting cut by him paralyzes you.

  34. Ciridae Hunter December 17, 2014 at 3:54 pm -      #34

    Hei is not hypersonic, but he might be able to absorb the beams so long as they are mainly electrical or can be converted fast enough.

    As for being uber-fast, season two of Darker Than Black actually has a really good example of how speed doesn’t equate to dodging when April is fighting the Russian speed Contractor, where she creates hail to turn his speed against him.

  35. Ciridae Hunter December 17, 2014 at 3:56 pm -      #35

    Thanks, Ragnorke, the wing thing always confused me.

  36. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 3:56 pm -      #36

    “Since when was hei hypersonic?”
    I was assuming that Hei can hit him which is stupid of me, but I’ve never watched the show.

    “Also, dodging ANYTHING while moving at your top speed is incredibly hard”
    I was not saying that it was unimpressive, but you said lasers and I thought light speed( again me being stupid).

  37. Ragnorke December 17, 2014 at 4:00 pm -      #37

    “I was not saying that it was unimpressive, but you said lasers and I thought light speed( again me being stupid).”

    Tbh I don’t think we ever consider lasers as light speed on BankGambling… Unless mentioned…
    Since 99% of fictions I know of have slower lasers.

  38. Ragnorke December 17, 2014 at 4:10 pm -      #38

    Punisher is kinda bein ignored:

    He deflected caps shield with a gun.
    Beat spiderman.
    Beat spiderman again.
    Beat wolverine.
    Beat winter soldier.

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    www.comicvine.com/punisher/4005-1525/forums/punisher-respect-thread-31541/

  39. Ragnorke December 17, 2014 at 4:13 pm -      #39

    Beat Spiderman, Daredevil, and Wolverine all at once.
    With prep.

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  40. sadot06 December 17, 2014 at 4:18 pm -      #40

    “what kind of blades? knives, swords, machetes?

    What kind of pistols? Glocks, Desert Eagles, Heckler & Koch?

    Grenades im just going to guess frags”

    Machete, Frags and Flashbangs, Eagle, Subs

  41. Friendlysociopath December 17, 2014 at 4:19 pm -      #41

    Alright, so going off of the KillerMovies respect thread for Vash
    (imageshack, you suck, I can’t see anything and I don’t know why)

    Casual bullet-timer for speed and reflexes, during a shooting competition he throws rocks in the way of bullets to prevent fatal injuries for contestants.

    Vash has enough speed to throw an egg in the air on his gun and catch it several times, apparently going so fast the egg barely appears to move.

    Vash at one point is traveling by train and is attacked by 6 thugs, he shoots them all without looking.

    3 men with guns attack Vash while he’s eating, all 3 men have uzis and fire at Vash. Vash evades the gunfire and tells them he knows they’re out of ammo because he counted the bullets.

    Vash has some sort of wings that automatically deploy to protect himself. I don’t know how durable they are though.

    And Vash can channel his powers into his bullets to make them miniature black holes.

    If someone would double-check me that’d be nice, trying to look at the imageshack files just keeps looping me to a video of an imageshack ad.

    Punisher is kinda bein ignored

    That would be because of PIS.

  42. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 4:23 pm -      #42

    @Socio
    The wing and black hole are not in the show so most likely manga which is not allowed in this match.

    Check the link I posted

  43. Ragnorke December 17, 2014 at 4:25 pm -      #43

    “That would be because of PIS.”

    It’s not PIS if he consistently does it. Against several different characters in the same league . And against the same character three times.

    If that’s PIS, then every fight in fiction history is PIS.

  44. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 4:31 pm -      #44

    Hey I got a feat for Punisher. He got punched in a certain spot by Molly Hayes and actually stand for a really long time. :)

  45. Friendlysociopath December 17, 2014 at 4:35 pm -      #45

    It’s not PIS if he consistently does it. Against several different characters in the same league

    It’s PIS because the Punisher outright says in the Spiderman battle he studies everyone he might fight. He’s got prep time for every feat you just posted, otherwise known as PIS.
    He doesn’t have it here.

    @TheTerror, I actually want to pit the Runaways against another team- who do you think would be more fun? Teen Titans? Young Justice?

    I did check your link, the comments all say it’s the lamest fight in the show thus I was kind of looking for more impressive stuff.

  46. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 4:41 pm -      #46

    @Socio
    Do teen titans it would be 5 vs 5

    Gimme a sec.

  47. Ragnorke December 17, 2014 at 4:45 pm -      #47

    “He’s got prep time for every feat you just posted, otherwise known as PIS.”

    Excuse me?
    Prep and PIS are not the same thing at all. At all.

    Prep means the character had time to prepare. It is a realistic and plausible showing of the character, and can be used in a debate as long as its an appropriate scenario.

    PiS means something that should never happen, regardless of the scenario or situation. It’s flatout the result of bad writing and ridiculous character showing (for better or worse), and thus cannot be accepted in a debate.

    Punishers feats are not Pis, since he consistently showed he’s capable of doing it time and time again, in different situations, in different scenarios, against different enemies, in the hands of different writers.
    Many of them didn’t even include prep.

  48. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 4:47 pm -      #48

    I will post feats when I get home.

    You may want young justice cause I remembered that Runaways have 6 members not 5.

  49. Friendlysociopath December 17, 2014 at 4:57 pm -      #49

    Prep and PIS are not the same thing at all. At all.

    True, poor phrasing on my part. He has prep against all of his foes, not PIS.

    Do teen titans it would be 5 vs 5

    ? The Runaways have 7 standard members, 10 if you count the Leapfrog, the dinosaur, and the vampire guy.

  50. Ragnorke December 17, 2014 at 4:59 pm -      #50

    So, is anyone here faster than hypersonic? And can anyone here hit harder than a nuke?
    Otherwise I don’t see why Archangel doesn’t just win straight up…
    He’s great at dodging projectiles, his wings are extremely durable, and he has a decent healing factor.
    His feathers can be shot at range and paralyze targets if need be… But I don’t think it’d be necessary.

  51. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 5:01 pm -      #51

    Who is the 7th person and if there is 10 then put them against YJ.

  52. Friendlysociopath December 17, 2014 at 5:19 pm -      #52

    Question, what type of CTF is this btw? Is it one flag in the middle or each team has their own?

    So, is anyone here faster than hypersonic? And can anyone here hit harder than a nuke?

    Vash black hole bullets are better than nukes, and he can shoot from the Earth to the moon in seconds.

    Also, your feats for Archangel are weird-

    Tanks heavy hit from holocaust. A mutant with nuclear power.

    He’s blocking it with his wings, that’s not tanking it.

    Only material harder than diamond can dent his wings.

    He didn’t say that, he just said whatever they’re hitting is harder than diamond.

    His CIS prevents him from using it.

    I thought CIS that would cost you the match gets turned off?

  53. Ragnorke December 17, 2014 at 5:30 pm -      #53

    “Vash black hole bullets are better than nukes,”

    Proof? Id like to see the feat for how much destruction it has caused.
    We can definitely get into Science if you like. Not all blackholes have powerful gravitational fields, nor do they need to have incredible mass.
    Not all blackholes are the massive interstellar blackholes. Infact those are comparatively quite rare.

    Blackholes are overated
    So no, I’m not accepting that they’re better than a nuke until you can show it.

    “and he can shoot from the Earth to the moon in seconds.”

    Has he ever shot a hypersonic target?
    I can shoot a bullet that’s incredibly fast… But since when does that mean I can hit something moving as fast as my bullet?

    “He’s blocking it with his wings, that’s not tanking it.”

    ….his wings tanked the traumatic force, sure, but there’s alot more to nuclear power than sheer force.
    Unless you think his wings can block out radiation and energy, which is even better for Archangel.

    “He didn’t say that, he just said whatever they’re hitting is harder than diamond.”

    And yet it barely left a dent

  54. Warlock Lowk December 17, 2014 at 5:34 pm -      #54

    “Master Chief pretty much tanks Punisher/Batman since he is used to fighting shielded enemies with hyper-advanced weaponry (compared with their gear), cloaking, and what I like to call the “Fuck-You” arsenal (Covenant vehicles, the Flood, Gravity Hammer-wielding Brutes.”

    Bats carries gadgetry that could strip Chief shields. Depending on what point you catch punisher he’s got some pretty exotic weaponry.

  55. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 6:13 pm -      #55

    “I thought CIS that would cost you the match gets turned off?”
    If that is the case then Vash solos.

    “….his wings tanked the traumatic force, sure, but there’s alot more to nuclear power than sheer force.
    Unless you think his wings can block out radiation and energy, which is even better for Archangel.”
    Unless mutants or Archangel are stated to to resist radiation then it’s the wings, however, I can’t see the picture.

    “And yet it barely left a dent”
    Those wings aren’t going to protect him from sonic arrows.

  56. Ragnorke December 17, 2014 at 6:20 pm -      #56

    “Those wings aren’t going to protect him from sonic arrows.”

    ….Why not?
    Why would he get hit to begin with?

  57. Friendlysociopath December 17, 2014 at 6:32 pm -      #57

    Proof? Id like to see the feat for how much destruction it has caused.
    We can definitely get into Science if you like. Not all blackholes have powerful gravitational fields, nor do they need to have incredible mass.

    Yes, because authors absolutely use the lesser black holes.

    Go nuts
    www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t544562.html
    Is there some trick to seeing imageshack pictures? I can’t see them. For all I know the guy

    And yet it barely left a dent

    If he shoots his pinions, and whatever they hit is harder than diamond and they don’t dent it- how does that in any way point to his pinions being harder than diamond? Do his pinions return to him after he shoots them?

    his wings tanked the traumatic force, sure, but there’s alot more to nuclear power than sheer force.

    Marvel database says that’s a bio-nuclear microwave energy blast- nothing about radiation.
    Bio-nuclear isn’t even a word. There’s no evidence of him absorbing anything in that photo.

    Blocking is different than tanking was my point, Captain America can block bullets vis his shield, Captain America cannot tank bullets.
    Archangel can block large blasts with his wings, he isn’t tanking it.

    Bats carries gadgetry that could strip Chief shields.

    What does Batman typically have in his utility belt? He does not have every toy he ever uses in there. And Chief’s shields recharge in a few seconds, not that hard considering most of Team 2 has no way of penetrating his armor.

    Why would he get hit to begin with?

    Because he can still be hit? Rogue tackles him without too much of an issue. And all I see in that scan is him shooting Wolvereine and bragging Wolvereine can’t touch him, no speed feat.

  58. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 6:33 pm -      #58

    “….Why not?”
    Have they ever protect his eardrums from sonic attacks.

    “Why would he get hit to begin with?”
    Well I’m pretty sure it is consistent that Hawkeye almost never misses. ( I hope this is true)

  59. Ragnorke December 17, 2014 at 6:47 pm -      #59

    “Yes, because authors absolutely use the lesser black holes.”

    Unless it seems to be destroying the solar system… It actually IS a lesser black hole.
    The degree of which defers from author to author.
    The only way to accurately measure it is by the destruction is causes, which I have a feeling would be less than a nuke.

    “Go nuts”

    Can’t view any of the pictures since I don’t have an account, and I don’t plan on making an account.
    Just post any of the relevant feats here.

    ” Marvel database says that’s a bio-nuclear microwave energy blast- nothing about radiation.”

    1. That means his wings block energy, which is more impressive than you might think considering energy usually isn’t stopped by matter.
    2. Did you just say microwaves aren’t radiation? Should I be laughing?

    “Have they ever protect his eardrums from sonic attacks.”

    He’s taken on banshee and won I believe.
    Someone who’s entire power revolves around sonic screams.

    Archangel isn’t just a human with fancy wings. He’s a horsemen of Apocalypse… Probably the strongest mutant alive aside from the Omegas.

    “Well I’m pretty sure it is consistent that Hawkeye almost never misses. ( I hope this is true)”

    i.imgur.com/BPZrvL7.jpg

    Hawkeye had the element of surprise and fired three arrows.
    Angel dodged all three.

  60. Ragnorke December 17, 2014 at 6:52 pm -      #60

    Here’s another one of him blocking arrows from bullseye. Who was proven as being a better shot than Hawkeye.

    i.imgur.com/7NIjCyH.jpg

  61. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 7:08 pm -      #61

    “Probably the strongest mutant alive aside from the Omegas”
    Should I explain why that sounds stupid or should I let you figure it out.

    “He’s taken on banshee and won I believe.
    Someone who’s entire power revolves around sonic screams”
    Scans. Just because he won doesn’t mean he is immune to sound attacks.

  62. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 7:23 pm -      #62

    “Hawkeye had the element of surprise and fired three arrows.
    Angel dodged all three.”
    Angel saw a light in the bushes and knew something was there.

  63. Ragnorke December 17, 2014 at 7:39 pm -      #63

    “Should I explain why that sounds stupid or should I let you figure it out.”

    It isn’t really a matter of opinion.
    Archangel wrecked most of the x-men and xforce.
    Note how I said: aside from the Omegas.

    Heck he’s even beaten psylocke, who’s an Omega level mutant.

    “Angel saw a light in the bushes and knew something was there.”

    How does that in any way change the fact that he’s never Going to get hit in this match?

    Unless Ofcourse you can prove that someone in this match can hit hypersonic targets.
    Even then, chances are they’d miss, since Angel’s experienced at dodging while moving at his topspeed.
    And then you’d need to prove they can actually hurt him, since he can always just block things with his wings (which can become about 4 times the size of him)

  64. Ragnorke December 17, 2014 at 7:51 pm -      #64

    9 sentinels. None of em hit him a single time.

    i.imgur.com/4syZXXT.jpg

    Fast enough to dodge quicksilver, which essentially won him the fight.

    www.thesamantics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Uncanny-X-Men-4-Angel-Quicksilver-Wall.png

    He recently brought a dog back to life too… For what it’s worth.

    www.comicpow.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/W-007.png

    Andddd he made war machine explode with a single touch.

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103734/2437466-wolverine_x_men_zone_015.jpg

  65. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 7:57 pm -      #65

    “How does that in any way change the fact that he’s never Going to get hit in this match?”
    It changes it drastically. If he saw the light in the bush so he knew something was there, but the chance of it happening here is low.

    “It isn’t really a matter of opinion.
    Archangel wrecked most of the x-men and xforce.
    Note how I said: aside from the Omegas.”
    Nate Grey, Jean, Wolverine, X-23, Iceman, Quicksilver, Magneto, Scarlet Witch, Nightcrawler. Every one of those are better than Angel.

  66. Cassie Hack December 17, 2014 at 8:12 pm -      #66

    A few of those on that list are omega level mutants…

  67. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 8:24 pm -      #67

    “He recently brought a dog back to life too… For what it’s worth.”
    I spy with my little eye three kids and a guy with wings. No dog.

    “Andddd he made war machine explode with a single touch.”
    You sure that was a touch or him blasting WM? I’ll give you a hint. The 2nd one.

  68. Friendlysociopath December 17, 2014 at 8:26 pm -      #68

    Can’t view any of the pictures since I don’t have an account, and I don’t plan on making an account.

    Well that sucks, I have an account and I still don’t see the pictures- I was hoping someone could tell me what I’m doing wrong.

    Wow, I have to give it to Archangel (Marvel) he’s one maneuverable bastard.

    Seriously though, what manner of Capture the Flag is this? Does each team have a flag in their base or is there one flag that both teams want?

    The Former is the only version Team 1 has a chance on due to being able to defend much better than Team 2. The Latter is clearly Team 2’s for the win since their archangel is far faster in movement speed than Team 1’s archangel.

  69. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 8:30 pm -      #69

    “The Latter is clearly Team 2’s for the win since their archangel is far faster in movement speed than Team 1’s archangel.”
    Look at the picture of him dodging Hawkeye again. You see a light in the bush Hawkeye is in alerting Angel. That was the plot armor and because of that team 1 can still take him out of the sky. Also is his wings inorganic?

  70. Friendlysociopath December 17, 2014 at 8:35 pm -      #70

    Alright, found the picture and the edit button timed out, can you see them now?

    Here’s him shooting the moon and leaving a rather large crater, pretty sure nukes wouldn’t do that much damage.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/135592/2980938-8037507907-vasha.png

    Look at the picture of him dodging Hawkeye again.

    Look at the picture of him outflying the X-Wing or some other jet. For movement speed X-Men Archangel is definitely in the lead, I don’t know enough about Trigun to say whether Vash flies that fast or not.

    I’m well aware movement speed isn’t combat speed, but movement speed is all that’s required if there’s one flag they’re all going for.

    In combat sure, arguments can be made for Archangel being tagged. But there’s no point if there’s only one flag cause archangel can grab it and run before Team 1 even has a say in the matter.

  71. sadot06 December 17, 2014 at 8:38 pm -      #71

    Each team has a flag to defend.

  72. The Terror December 17, 2014 at 8:54 pm -      #72

    Defense: Hawkeye, Hei, Michael
    Offense: Vash and MC

    Hawkeye hides somewhere in the near the teams flag watches for the enemy. If Angel does show up then Michael keeps him busy while Hawkeye tries to hit him with sonic arrows. Hei is for support and tactics. Offensively Vash and MC steamroll through the rest of team 2.

  73. Ciridae Hunter December 17, 2014 at 8:56 pm -      #73

    Vash has some pretty good reflexes when it comes to sensing danger, so Archangel is the kind of danger that would make his senses go crazy-not to mention the fact that Vash is probably the oldest aside from Archangel Michael so he would have the most combat experience (since he’s a beacon for trouble and not just due to being old).

    Just keeping Vash near the flag would be enough to force Archangel to stop and have to fight, giving Hawkeye the chance to take him down with a cheap shot.

    By the way, what is Chief’s standard loadout for the match? Will he have access to some heavy weapons like the OP sniper rifle or any anti-vehicle weaponry?

    Could someone also post feats for Archangel Michael and Wesley-hate being in the dark.

  74. Ciridae Hunter December 17, 2014 at 9:10 pm -      #74

    In terms of tactics, Hei is more of a SpecOps guy, specializing in recon and assassination-though he can work with others in efficient manners (Mao, Shion, and July being examples from Season Two and Yin, Mao, and the other guy that I can’t remember the name of being Season One).

    Hawkeye is similar, though his Avenger experience makes him well-versed in team combat and allows for him to be a contributing factor in strategy-especially considering his S.H.I.E.L.D. experiences.

    MC often leads fire teams and several squads into battle, using them to their fullest capacities before they die horribly (not his fault, he’s just more durable). His armor can take atmospheric entry and rather…inelegant landings without too much damage.

    Vash has a knack for strategy and has bullet-timing in the bag, though aside from working with Wolfwood really doesn’t show him as being much of a team player (especially with his mindset of “everyone around me dies”).

    Still know nothing about Michael

  75. the_man_with The_Answers December 17, 2014 at 9:10 pm -      #75

    “It’s not PIS if he consistently does it. Against several different characters in the same league . And against the same character three times.
    If that’s PIS, then every fight in fiction history is PIS.”

    Everybody in Marvel has beaten everybody else in Marvel. Saying “X beat Y” isn’t an argument valid for “X vs Z”

    Otherwise you can wank everybody to infinity with a slippery-slope no limits fallacy combo or reduce everyone down to the lowest common denominator under similar principles in reverse.

  76. Ciridae Hunter December 17, 2014 at 9:13 pm -      #76

    Batman is Team Two’s strategist since he typically is the brains of the Justice League, but I don’t know about Wesley and everyone else acts in a lone-wolf capacity.

  77. Xander XT December 17, 2014 at 9:17 pm -      #77

    Out of topic, but I can’t comprehend the stupidity of dreager1. He apparently thinks that Elsa can beat The One Above All. Because apparently, Elsa has more feats than The One Above All. And that makes her better. Please tell me how he can manage his own site. Plus, his match-ups don’t make sense. Biollante Vs King Bom-omb? The heck?

    Oh, and I think Team 1 wins.

  78. Friendlysociopath December 18, 2014 at 12:41 am -      #78

    Let me just get this out of the way- the Smoke Monster, the Wild Card. My brother spam-watched all of Lost in a few weeks and I was watching it by proxy. So my Lost knowledge may not be perfect.

    The Monster is formidable, however, I will note that most of Team 1 would gladly run from it rather than fight it, I do not know if the same is true for Team 2. Team 2 also has a lot more emotional baggage than members of Team 1, so the mind-tricks the Smoke Monster plays are likely to be more effective against them.
    I’ll throw in my overall view in the next comment, wall of text incoming.

  79. Friendlysociopath December 18, 2014 at 1:23 am -      #79

    Now, everyone probably has separate ideas for what would be the best team setup, here’s mine for both teams.

    Team 1
    Offense: Vash, Hei, Michael
    Defense: Master Chief, Hawkeye
    Reasoning- Vash is by far the most effective weapon Team 1 has, sending him out to fight the enemy team that is, for the most part, all peak human at best; should not be a large problem for him.
    Hei is also one of the better offensive units, his extensive training in South America should prove invaluable for jungle combat. If he manages to land a hook or fist into any of the enemy team he can likely fry them. It should be noted that he can manipulate particles even without the meteor fragment, the fragment just boosts his power. He’s also not above using guns.
    Michael… is apparently bullet-proof and is hard to hurt by explosions, most of Team 2 cannot harm him easily. Honestly I put him on offense just for backup.
    Master Chief is by far the best member for defense on Team 1. His energy shield and armor make him very hard to injure, as well as his enhanced body. His various sensors will make it hard for people to surprise him and he should have access to some armor upgrades like bubble shield or armor lock, making it very easy for him to set up a defensive position.
    Hawkeye is on support duty, his job is to remain hidden and wait for his opportunity to strike with special arrows.

    Team 2
    Offense: Archangel, Punisher, Batman
    Defense: Wesley, Fett
    Reasoning- Archangel is the fast-win option for Team 2. He’d likely make a beeline straight for the flag, hoping to get it and get back before encountering any resistance. His wings can tank formidable amounts of force and he can paralyze people that he cuts with them.
    Punisher has been trained in jungle warfare, which will be useful for jungle fights. He will use any and all means to defeat their enemies and will not be merciful.
    Batman is not likely to trust the rest of his Team to succeed without him, it’s in his nature. He’ll be as close to the action as he can be, ready and willing to fight- he doesn’t like guns though, which gives him a bit of a range disadvantage.
    Wesley is of a similar nature to Punisher, though without the jungle training. He’s the Michael of Team 2 for me. If he catches someone going for his flag he’ll stop them with whatever he’s got.
    Fett should not be fighting in the jungle if he can help it, his jetback is not going to be useful in tight spaces like the jungle and his sensors are better for defending the flag.

    So, all of that said- I’d give it to Team 1.
    Vash can easily take anyone on Team 2 with a ‘maybe’ for Archangel. Punisher and Batman both rely on prep for their best victories, against opponents they know little of and haven’t studied they will be less effective than normal. Archangel is a potent fighter but Master Chief can make it very difficult for him to take his flag if he flies off ahead of his team, and with such a massive speed advantage I see that as being the best plan for Team 2. I see Hei and Batman swinging about in the upper levels of the jungle and fighting one another, although Hei’s touch will kill Batman even if Batman’s armor includes shock resistant padding as Hei can manipulate matter at the quantum level. Batman is undoubtedly the better fighter, but Hei’s touch is lethal. Punisher is deadly but he’s just not a match for Vash. I’m sure Michael can do… something.
    With most of Team 2’s offense being slain, it falls to Fett to defend the flag against opponents who outspeed and outgun him (Vash) and a guy whose touch will kill him (Hei). Wesley is a factor but hey Michael and him can spar with the nothing that I know about either of them.

  80. Warlock Lowk December 18, 2014 at 2:26 am -      #80

    “What does Batman typically have in his utility belt? He does not have every toy he ever uses in there.”

    It helps that most of the stuff is he bring on chance encounters tend to be pelt size, thin, in the form of a small rang, collapsible, or apart of the belt/armor itself.

  81. Warlock Lowk December 18, 2014 at 3:06 am -      #81

    “I see Hei and Batman swinging about in the upper levels of the jungle and fighting one another, although Hei’s touch will kill Batman even if Batman’s armor includes shock resistant padding as Hei can manipulate matter at the quantum level. Batman is undoubtedly the better fighter, but Hei’s touch is lethal. Punisher is deadly but he’s just not a match for Vash. I’m sure Michael can do… something.”

    Its been a while since I’ve seen DTB, has Hei ever gotten over stuff like sonic attacks or gas attacks?
    Also Bats has an energy deflecter on the belt,could that help any?

  82. Ragnorke December 18, 2014 at 3:13 am -      #82

    “It changes it drastically. If he saw the light in the bush so he knew something was there, but the chance of it happening here is low.”

    Why can’t that happen here? Did angel recently lose his eyes or super eyesight?

    Also, are we forgetting that he’s still faster than hypersonic?
    That he has faster reaction time than quicksilver?
    And that he dodged 9 sentinel beams simultaneously?
    And that he blocked all of bullseyes arrows too?
    Stop ignoring feats at your leisure.

    “Nate Grey, Jean, Wolverine, X-23, Iceman, Quicksilver, Magneto, Scarlet Witch, Nightcrawler. Every one of those are better than Angel.”

    Nate Grey: He’s an Omega.
    Jean: She’s an Omega.
    Scarlet Witch: She’s an Omega.
    X-23: what on earth makes you think she’s superior to angel in any way…?
    Quicksilver: Did you miss the feat where REGULAR angel beat quicksilver? Archangel form was a massive buff.
    Wolverine: angel has Beaten wolverine more times than wolverine has Beaten him. The score is something like 3:1
    Nightcrawler: he’s scared of Archangel and wasn’t able to stop him.
    Iceman: along with a amped up shimo, they managed to push Archangel back. Although shimo did most of the work.

    So, what iv learnt about you is:
    1. You don’t know what an Omega mutant is.
    2. You don’t know diddly shit about x-men comics.
    3. You’re pulling shit out of your ass.

    I have no reason to look for and post all those scans yet, since no one has any counter to Archangel to begin with.

    “I spy with my little eye three kids and a guy with wings. No dog”

    He digs the dead puppy out from its grave, and brings it back to life with a touch.
    Read up on it if you want, otherwise just ignore it, it isn’t relevant here so whatever.

    “You sure that was a touch or him blasting WM? I’ll give you a hint. The 2nd one.”

    You mean Archangel can create blasts stronger than a few nukes?!?!?!
    NICE!
    Yes, the warmachine armor was built to be able to casually withstand nukes.

    “If Angel does show up then Michael keeps him busy while Hawkeye tries to hit him with sonic arrow”

    Or, Archangel does this to them before either of them can react:
    i.imgur.com/GkZ0dZu.jpg

  83. Ciridae Hunter December 18, 2014 at 3:16 am -      #83

    During the first Yin ark of DTB, there is a Contractor not unlike a Siren that used her voice to stop Hei’s heart and he got through that by using his own powers as a defibrillator. I believe he has dealt with gas but don’t quote me on that; even if it wasn’t shown in the anime, Hei probably saw a lot of chemical and biological weapons during the Heaven’s Gate incident-he survives gravity Contractors and Havoc (earthquake generation was her power, her price was bathing in the blood of children), so I am sure with a little help from the crap lying around the Island he can pull something off.

    I don’t know who said that Hei wasn’t better at CQC than Batman, but Hei has had to deal with Contractors that are specifically close-range fighters, such as the Blood Contractor in Season One and Mina and Genma of Season Two-they are way more deadly than Batman and he was okay (with his powers, but otherwise it’s impossible to deal with Genma with only steel weapons, since it took a few anti-tank rounds and Mina’s abilities to kill him)

    Oh, and August 7 is a great CQC fighter with the help of his matter manipulation, which could literally stop bullets and fling them back at enemies

  84. Ciridae Hunter December 18, 2014 at 3:34 am -      #84

    Archangel, use Aerial Ace!

    Kidding aside, he was dealing with someone wielding a conventional projectile weapon and someone whom-for all we know-had no abilities to speak of, so cutting someone in half (standing completely still and not flying if the scan is correct) isn’t exactly impressive especially since he must be standing completely still to perform a wing function like that, something which would leave him completely exposed to any character on Team One (seriously, what the flying fuck can Archangel Michael do-post feats for him!!!).

    Vash blasted a new asshole for the moon, which is WAAAAAAY more powerful than a few nukes unless we go by Armageddon physics (but unless this match gets perverted I don’t see Archangel getting inside of anyone anytime soon)

    Why did Archangel desecrate the grave of a dog? Seriously, Marvel is teaching some fucked morals to children (imagine Old Yeller with the Archangel arc)

  85. Ragnorke December 18, 2014 at 3:35 am -      #85

    Also, current Archangel covers his entire body in Celestial bio-tech now. Not just his wings.

    Note this is the SAME celestial bio-tech that young Thor was unable to break (and had to get jabrnhorn created to specifically counter it).
    It’s the exact same biotech that composed Apocolypses armor. It took hits from people with Hulk level strength without cracking.

    Infact, Angel has been permanently imbued with Apocolypses DNA string.
    Which is why he can turn into Archangel at will, and has been discovering some random new powers.

    img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110829002050/powerlisting/images/6/6a/550290-arch_super.jpg

  86. Ciridae Hunter December 18, 2014 at 3:41 am -      #86

    Hei could just use his quantum manipulation to destabilize the bio-armor or deactivate the Archangel form while anyone else could lay the finishing blow down-hell, Vash could blast a new asshole in Archangel’s face without worry (he would hate himself and I’m sure what’s left of the Island would also be loathe to like him, but Vash can kill when necessary.

    Need I mention how much of an emotional wreck Archangel can become if exposed to the smoke monster? Both Vash and Archangel are most susceptible, though Vash would have better resistance since he does the guilt trip thing every day of his immortal life, Hei is a Contractor so he can most probably be fine, Hawkeye isn’t the brightest bulb in the shed, but he is known to resist mind-fuckery, Master Chief…well, does he even have enough of a conscience for the smoke monster to bother with?

  87. Ragnorke December 18, 2014 at 5:22 am -      #87

    “Hei could just use his quantum manipulation to destabilize the bio-armor or deactivate the Archangel form”

    Post it.
    I had no idea Hei was capable of something like that… Specially considering it’s an alien/interdimensional material that was unaffected by most mutant powers.

    “Need I mention how much of an emotional wreck Archangel can become if exposed to the smoke monster? ”

    ….I dont think it would bother him at all. Why would it?
    He’s seen far more disturbing and spooky things.
    Heck He dated a chick that’s scarier than that monster.

    Oh and Archangel has PLENTY of Telepathy/mind resistance feats.
    I’ll post em soon.

  88. The Terror December 18, 2014 at 6:27 am -      #88

    Michael’s wiki page: syfy-dominion.wikia.com/wiki/Michael
    ==
    Hawkeye( has list of arrows at the bottom of first post)
    www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/hawkeye-respect-thread-1544749/
    ==
    www.comicvine.com/master-chief/4005-44581/
    ==
    I need someone to tell me what MC’s weapons are.

  89. Ragnorke December 18, 2014 at 7:38 am -      #89

    “Michael’s wiki page: syfy-dominion.wikia.com/wiki/Michael”

    That’s laughable compared to Archangel.

    Can we stop beating around the bushes?
    Does team 1 have anyone that can tag Warren or not?
    And do they have anyone that can hurt him besides Vash?

    Also, Warren can transfer enough energy to blow up WarMachine through his hands.
    Have fun with that.

  90. The Terror December 18, 2014 at 8:34 am -      #90

    Hawkeye only needs two shots. As soon as Angel gets close flare arrow to at least stun long enough for him to be shot by a pymparticle arrow or admantanium arrow.

  91. Warlock Lowk December 18, 2014 at 8:51 am -      #91

    “Hawkeye only needs two shots. As soon as Angel gets close.”

    worldofblackheroes.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/avx-vs-5-3.jpg
    And Warren can fire his feathers pretty rapidly. I don’t think two arrow are going to get by a hail of razor sharp metal.

  92. The Terror December 18, 2014 at 9:16 am -      #92

    “And Warren can fire his feathers pretty rapidly. I don’t think two arrow are going to get by a hail of razor sharp metal.”
    It’s a surprise attack.

  93. Warlock Lowk December 18, 2014 at 9:19 am -      #93

    Does this still count for Archangel?
    3.bp.blogspot.com/-wffw9pmdAzQ/UKPXhvI96rI/AAAAAAAADls/QejK13rZvos/s1600/Wolverine+X-men-010.jpg
    i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd485/infamousColeMacgrath/Marvel/saMF_zps78b27776.jpg

  94. Warlock Lowk December 18, 2014 at 9:22 am -      #94

    “It’s a surprise attack.”

    Hasn’t Rag already shown that he’s dodged arrows shot at him in a surprise attack?
    And what about Punisher, whouldn’t he be the one keeping Hawkeye busy?

  95. Ragnorke December 18, 2014 at 9:26 am -      #95

    “Hawkeye only needs two shots. ”

    Lots of scenarios can happen if characters just get that ONE opportunity… But Hawkeye isn’t getting that one shot here.

    There’s absolutely no reason any of us should accept Hawkeye being capable of tagging Warren.
    Warren is physically faster, not only is he faster than Hawkeye, but a lot faster than Hawkeyes arrows.
    That alone is enough for any of us to disregard the idea of him getting hit by an arrow.
    Add to that Warren has reaction time that beat quicksilver, Marvels most popular speedster.
    AND Warren has superhuman eyesight, described as being similar to an Eagle.
    He isn’t getting hit.

    “As soon as Angel gets close flare arrow to at least stun long enough”

    Angel has a healing factor.
    I don’t think he would stay stunned for long.

    ” admantanium arrow”

    It’s unproven weather Adamantium can actually cut Celestial Bio-Tech or not.
    Its never specifically stated that it can’t.

    BUT Warren has fought Wolverine multiple times, and his wings never got a scratch.
    In fact wolverine specifically mentions in a panel that he’s gunna try and rip off Warrens wings, but he doesn’t succeed.
    Oh, and Wolverine never managed to penetrate Apocolypses armor.

    I’m not saying the Bio-Tech can withstand Adamantium for sure… but… it definitely seems like it.

    “And Warren can fire his feathers pretty rapidly”

    And that was just regular Warren. Archangel is faster and stronger AFAIK, since he has traces of Apocolypse in him.

    But Angel Warren has some nifty tricks now that Archangel doesn’t…
    Such as the explosive touch, the healing touch, and he even made this Light-construct-sword energy-thing.

  96. Ragnorke December 18, 2014 at 9:28 am -      #96

    @Lowk
    “Does this still count for Archangel?”

    That’s the current incarnation Warren.
    He changes between Angel & Archangel at will. And they both have different power sets.

    Oh, great, you posted the sword thing i was talking about. Thanks 😛

    @The Terror
    “It’s a surprise attack.”

    Okay. Sure. Lets ignore the fact that Warren has superhuman eyesight and reflexes.
    HOW CAN HAWKEYE SHOOT SOMETHING MOVING FASTER THAN HYPERSONIC?
    Do you just expect Warren to standstill without any of his reaction or speed powers for no reason?

  97. Friendlysociopath December 18, 2014 at 10:01 am -      #97

    Post it.
    I had no idea Hei was capable of something like that… Specially considering it’s an alien/interdimensional material that was unaffected by most mutant powers.


    Hei manipulating matter at the quantum level
    @15:30 in or so
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODNDbxPCSk

    I’ve got a manga where he does it again to dismantle a barrier of wind strong enough to shatter the ground

    Does team 1 have anyone that can tag Warren or not?

    Yes, Vash, possibly MC, Hawkeye if Archangel is distracted. He doesn’t have anywhere near the speed feats to just be immune to attack. You even posted a feat where he was tagged by Rogue, notable in no way for her speed.

    I’m not willing to call him as fast or maneuverable as Quicksilver off of just one showing. Him dodging arrows and cutting them aside in other panels indicates a far slowing fighting speed.
    He’s maneuverable, I’ve admitted that, but he absolutely does not fight at hypersonic speed judging by the feats you’ve posted.

    HOW CAN HAWKEYE SHOOT SOMETHING MOVING FASTER THAN HYPERSONIC?

    Because he doesn’t fight at hypersonic, and he has to fight here, not just move.

    Okay. Sure. Lets ignore the fact that Warren has superhuman eyesight and reflexes.

    Rogue jumped him, Rogue, a X-Men member not in any way renowned for speed or stealth. If he’s looking in direction A, he does not know about things in direction B.

  98. The Terror December 18, 2014 at 10:06 am -      #98

    @Ragnorke
    You want me to come up with some strategy for team 1? Okay.

    Hei has Hawkeye rig the flag with a flash bang or something so it stuns Angel when he tries to get it. Afterwards, Mc and Hawkeye take him out and deal with the rest. Good enough for you?

  99. Ragnorke December 18, 2014 at 12:19 pm -      #99

    “Because he doesn’t fight at hypersonic, and he has to fight here, not just move.”

    This is where the misunderstanding lies.
    He doesn’t need to fight.
    At all.
    It’ll take him about two seconds to go from one end of the island to the other.
    Go straight up above the clouds.
    Land back on his side.

    No one is fast enough to hit him. That’s a fact.

    He never needs to slow down.

  100. Cassie Hack December 18, 2014 at 1:14 pm -      #100

    Where is this thing about Rogue being slow coming from, I mean she had Ms. Marvel’s powers for most of her comic life, unless this is Rogue after she lost them?

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