Flash Vs Quicksilver

Flash Vs Quicksilver

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Here comes another DC against Marvel clash. This time, we have the CW version of The Flash, going up against the Quicksilver version from Days of Future Past.

Fight takes place in Gotham.

Who would win?

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140 Comments on "Flash Vs Quicksilver"

  1. Skalkorik13 December 7, 2014 at 11:30 pm -      #101

    Like i stated way earlier … Figure the average speed of a 9mm bullet at 800mph … they are basically stopped while Quicksilver is CASUALLY walking through the room … he has time to … taste some food … take a hat … rearrange a few guards fists … atomic wedgie another guard … then move 3 bullets in mid air … Hes has much more skill and knowledge of his powers than current Flash in the TV series

  2. Ragnorke December 7, 2014 at 11:42 pm -      #102

    Lack of fighting skill isn’t PIS at all, no one said it is. But who needs fighting skill when you’re that fast?
    It’s not like quicksilver is a skilled combatant either.

    @Skalkorik13
    Are you really trying to compare the speed of a bullet to the speed of lightning?
    There’s really no comparison.
    Lightning travels at 1/3rd the speed of light.

    A current discharge is a current discharge. Real lightning or not, it’ll be close to the same speed.

  3. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 8, 2014 at 1:27 am -      #103

    “and the bomb feat”

    I can see the lightning feat putting him above QS(I can’t remember if he was boosted at the time or not)but not the explosion(I think we’re thinking of the same one, where he starts running on water?).
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    “Meaning if they were both even, my money would be on Flash, all day everyday.”

    Yea, so far the only thing we’ve seen QS do is run really really fast. The only other thing he’s shown was vibrate the glass apart, but even that was done through speed(although if he were to somehow catch Flash and do that to him it’d probably ruin his day, but I can see Flash countering it).
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    “That said, guys, the Flash being bad at fighting and cocky can’t be entirely chalked up to PIS.”

    No, but the instances that Rookie was posting were clearly PIS.
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    “That said, he’s clearly got speed feats that put him near or surpassing Quicksilver’s level- depending how strongly you want to argue about that electric shock attack.”

    Honestly, besides the electric shock attack most of his feats are below that(like running Mach 1 was still impressive to Flash)while the low end calc in the wired.com had a low end of 4091 m/s and TMWTA calced Flash at 78,200m/s.

    That being said, he has on three occasions that I can think of(besides the lightning/electricity/static feat). It was when he spilled his guts out to Iris by running around her to the point she didn’t move, when Rainbow Raider was robbing the bank, and when three cops were shot at by a thug. Not one we see, but he mentions in the Arrow that Oliver doesn’t seem to be moving when they fight. Granted, those three instances didn’t seem as impressive to me(could be wrong since I can’t calc that type of stuff), but do show he has comparable speed, and that electricity feat plus the fact he has shown greater variety with his powers kinda puts the nail in Quicksilvers coffin for me.
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    Hoping A:AoU QS has some pretty crazy speed feats as well though. I’m imagining him being faster than both seeing how Thor’s going to probably be blasting him with lightning and QS is just going to run circles around it/him(presumably anyways).

  4. Ragnorke December 8, 2014 at 3:24 am -      #104

    @CH
    I was just reading some pre-flashpoint comics, and did you have any idea how powerful firestorm is?
    He was pretty much a staple member of the Justice League between the infinite crises and flashpoint era… And man oh man is he something.

    I’d barely ever even seen him before, But this guy puts Dr manhanttan to shame.
    He was basically captain atom, but a PERMANENT part of the justice league roster.

    I think his powers come from the big bang itself, or something like that. Quite interesting.

  5. Skalkorik13 December 8, 2014 at 8:32 am -      #105

    I cant consider that “Lightning” … I see controlled electricity being emitted form a metahuman … Theres no actual proof thats as fast a lightning … i also see Barry moving in slow motion as well … From what i saw … he was just barely getting whatshisname in time to move out the way … In Flash they already measured his speed at about 700 to 800 mph … just north of mach 1 … saying who knows once he pushes himself how fast … which he hasnt done yet … as for the bombed episode … I cant explain that … but its major plot shielding … Theyve contradicted themselves in the show many times already

  6. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 8, 2014 at 11:09 am -      #106

    @Rag No, to be honest I didn’t. I haven’t kept up with a lot of PostC-PreFP/PreN52 stuff.

  7. the_man_with The_Answers December 8, 2014 at 12:24 pm -      #107

    “TMWTA calced Flash at 78,200m/s.”

    *Quicksilver. And that was using an athletic human sprinting speed, while Quicksilver is still capable of moving at super speed within that slowed time perspective, while also making things look casually easy.
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  8. OriginalA December 8, 2014 at 1:48 pm -      #108

    “In Flash they already measured his speed at about 700 to 800 mph … just north of mach 1″

    They also said that Flash got considerably faster in the very episode with the lightning guy. He got a permanent speed boost after he got his powers back in that episode.

  9. Ragnorke December 8, 2014 at 2:18 pm -      #109

    High-End feats override low-end feats on BankGambling. Due to the rule that says characters perform at maximum potential.
    If a character has proven the ability to exceed his “usual” showings, then that’s the version we debate with.

    Also, using some common sense, if a character gets more powerful in newer/recent showings…. That obviously overrides older/previous showings.

    As for the lightning feat, a static discharge is a static discharge. Being “natural” lightning or not only makes a minor difference (up to maybe 50% tops).
    It’s still incredibly fast, and would make a bullet appear completely still.
    Ocums Razor debating rule means the answer with the least assumptions is usually the correct answer.
    In this case, the answer with the least amount of assumptions would be that “it’s a fast static discharge, close to the speed of lightning, which is 1/3rd the speed of light”
    If you believe otherwise, you need to provide evidence.

  10. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 8, 2014 at 3:27 pm -      #110

    “*Quicksilver”

    Sorry, that’s who I meant.
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    ” And that was using an athletic human sprinting speed, while Quicksilver is still capable of moving at super speed within that slowed time perspective, while also making things look casually easy.”

    Do you have any idea/guesses as to how fast that would be? At times he was running the side of the wall and then there were other times he seemed to be moving faster than that.
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    “They also said that Flash got considerably faster in the very episode with the lightning guy. He got a permanent speed boost after he got his powers back in that episode.”

    Was the lightning feat part of that? I seem to remember him being boosted and then going back to “normal” levels? I only half paid attention to the show.
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    “In this case, the answer with the least amount of assumptions would be that ‘it’s a fast static discharge, close to the speed of lightning, which is 1/3rd the speed of light'”

    Humor me for a bit, so you say lightning would is 1/3 the speed of light, and that the most it would be reduced would be 50%? What would the low end speed for him to move that fast be, if we assume the lightning was bolt moving as slow as it could(i.e. using what you said anyways. That lightning is 1/3 the speed of light and that the most it could be slowed down by is 50% tops)?

    Another thing, is there actually enough evidence to calculate how fast the bolt was moving? Because if we do, then why not just calc how fast the bolt was actually moving as opposed to assuming it was going as fast as it was moving?
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    @Rag So, what exactly could Firelord do that made him so powerful?

    Just reread Annihilation Heralds of Galactus 1, and remember that galaxy speed feat Nova(Sam) had? Well, Stardust was sent to the Andromeda Galaxy and came back to Galactus. Also, apparently his people were able to build things faster than picoseconds(apparently that’s how fast they broke down into matter). The exact quote is: “They built giant monuments from radio waves…created works of art out of quarks, which broke down in picoseconds into dull, inert matter.” And apparently they live in suns.. Honestly, I don’t know what to make of the picosecond one, but the other two are impressive,

  11. the_man_with The_Answers December 8, 2014 at 4:51 pm -      #111

    “High-End feats override low-end feats on BankGambling. Due to the rule that says characters perform at maximum potential.”

    No, no, no. Maximum efficiency. BIG difference. Meaning they will be put in the match with all their typical gear and abilities that would allow them to preform at their best within their means.

    “If a character has proven the ability to exceed his “usual” showings, then that’s the version we debate with.”

    Since never. That’s like the definition of cherry picking. And BankGambling isn’t a cherry farm.

    Specifically Rule 21: Proof by example
    “This type of fallacy involves someone citing one example of something as proof of a general rule.”

    “Also, using some common sense, if a character gets more powerful in newer/recent showings…. That obviously overrides older/previous showings.”

    Only if it is of higher canon standing, or if contextual situations have made it evident that the newer should be objectively valued as greater than the old.

    “Ocums Razor debating rule means the answer with the least assumptions is usually the correct answer.
    In this case, the answer with the least amount of assumptions would be that “it’s a fast static discharge, close to the speed of lightning, which is 1/3rd the speed of light””

    There are an equal assumptions in both. One assumes it is natural lightning with correlated natural speed. The other assumes it is not natural lightning with a correlated unknown speed.

    “Do you have any idea/guesses as to how fast that would be? At times he was running the side of the wall and then there were other times he seemed to be moving faster than that.”

    He could probably walk on the wall from that time perspective. Gravity would be acting 8,600x slower, so instead of 9.8 m/s^2 you get an adjusted gravitational acceleration of 0.001m/s^s. Trying to calculate how fast he was moving while in super-speed from the perspective wold be nearly frivolous. There’s hardly any perspective to do it from. Granted it would be considerably faster than 96,000m/s.

    “Humor me for a bit, so you say lightning would is 1/3 the speed of light, and that the most it would be reduced would be 50%? What would the low end speed for him to move that fast be, if we assume the lightning was bolt moving as slow as it could(i.e. using what you said anyways. That lightning is 1/3 the speed of light and that the most it could be slowed down by is 50% tops)?”

    The Speed of light is 3E8m/s. One third of that is 1E8m/s. 50% of that is 5E7, or 50,000,000m/s
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  12. Ragnorke December 8, 2014 at 4:57 pm -      #112

    T @TMWTA
    “No, no, no. Maximum efficiency. BIG difference. ”

    I totally meant efficiency instead of potential. My bad.

    “Since never. That’s like the definition of cherry picking. And BankGambling isn’t a cherry farm.”

    Since always.
    Why do you think we assume Superman/Thor are FTL planet busters in debates, despite 99% of their showings being pathetic in comparison?
    For every “High-End” feat superman & Thor have, they have 3-4 laughable feats… But guess which take precedence in a debate?

    Forexample, superman has some scans of him “struggling” to lift things like bridges and planes.
    But we know he shouldn’t be struggling at all, due to his High-End feats.
    Thus, High-Ends override the rest.
    That’s literally how every comic debate on BankGambling has gone.

    “Only if it is of higher canon standing, ”

    Or equal.

  13. Ragnorke December 8, 2014 at 5:11 pm -      #113

    @CH
    Electrons themselves move very, very, very, very slow.
    However, atoms exist everywhere, and thus Electrons exist everywhere.
    All it takes is one “push”, which then pushes the next, which pushes the next.
    So it isn’t actually an electron “moving” from point A to B, but rather it’s every electron between point A and B moving by a fraction of a millimeter.
    This causes what we call the “flow of Electrons” or the “electric current”

    The thing to note is that the “speed” of the initial electron itself (which can very) is largely irrelevant.
    A faster electron means it STARTS the wave faster.
    But the wave itself will still move at ALMOST the same speed, because the wave itself depends on the distance BETWEEN Electrons (which is pretty much a constant distance, all the time)

    The first electron may “push” the next extremely fast or extremely slow, but the chain reaction will always be close to constant. Which is 1/3c.
    That’s the visible electric “current”.

    If anyone here for some reason believes this specific bolt was slower, than you need evidence. Because there’s no logical explanation I can think of for it to move slower.

  14. Cassie Hack December 8, 2014 at 5:23 pm -      #114

    Okay are we trying to say that Quick Silver slowed down time in the scene with the guards? Because I saw that whole time slowed scene as this what he is seeing because he’s moving so fast.

  15. the_man_with The_Answers December 8, 2014 at 5:23 pm -      #115

    “Since always.
    Why do you think we assume Superman/Thor are FTL planet busters in debates, despite 99% of their showings being pathetic in comparison?”

    Because comic book characters are more rife with PIS, Plot Shields, and inconsistencies based on changing settings or writers than Vietnamese hookers were with syphillis back in ‘Nam. It’s almost completely worthless to try and objectively evaluate any comic book character, so for the sake of preserving one’s mental state, and the fact that people have a weird obsession with big numbers, everyone just picks the top feats to save the hassle, not because that’s the way it should be done to get the most apt comparison.

    My favorite method that I saw someone use once, that really narrowed scopes and allowed for, IMO, the most accurate comparisons involving one or more comic book characters was to look at their feats ONLY in the contextually relevant happenings. For example, if it was Batman vs Captain America, you would only look at their feats against similar opponents (So like Batman vs Deathstroke or Captain America vs Winter Soldier, or any other combatants who are roughly similar to the one they are facing in the vs), not things like Batman’s feats against Superman or Captain America’s vs the Hulk.

    “Forexample, superman has some scans of him “struggling” to lift things like bridges and planes.
    But we know he shouldn’t be struggling at all, due to his High-End feats.
    Thus, High-Ends override the rest.”

    Or should the high-end be discarded due to the lower showings? It’s all a matter of opinion without clearly defined rules about it, and the context is everything.

    “That’s literally how every comic debate on BankGambling has gone.”

    That doesn’t mean it’s the right way of doing things.

    “Or equal.”

    If it is equal canon standing than it has to be evaluated on equal terms as the older material, unless there are circumstances that would imply that this is a more accurate example. For example, if two videogames or movies star the same character, but one was created a decade before the other, it could be argued that the newer movie/videogame with enhanced visual effects is the more accurate representation of two otherwise equally canon showings. If said media was only spaced out by a year or so with nearly identical visual effects, then who’s to say one is the superior to the other if they are both equally representative of the character?

    “Okay are we trying to say that Quick Silver slowed down time in the scene with the guards? Because I saw that whole time slowed scene as this what he is seeing because he’s moving so fast.”

    There’s objectively no difference between literally slowing time to that pace, or just being capable of moving fast enough and reacting fast enough to experience the world in that state.

  16. Ragnorke December 8, 2014 at 5:24 pm -      #116

    Oh, and firestorm does things like turn people into piles of salt or water or whatever…
    Turns cars into birds, buildings into cats. That sorta stuff.

  17. Ragnorke December 8, 2014 at 5:31 pm -      #117

    @tmwta
    “Because comic book characters are more rife with PIS,”

    The flash tv show has plenty of PIS. It’s hard to create any sort of content revolving around a speedster without PIS tbh.
    Nonetheless, what I said earlier should apply here.

    “It’s almost completely worthless to try and objectively evaluate any comic book character, ”

    I disagree. Context is everything.
    Some feats can immediately be disregarded as PIS (batman dodging ftl lasers), some feats can be due to CiS (should be clear in the context on the comic)… That leaves you with very few feats where a character is truly going “all out”, and those are usually the high end feats.
    As long as the character wasn’t being buffed or amped during those high end feat

  18. Ragnorke December 8, 2014 at 5:45 pm -      #118

    Whoops, post got cut in half.. Ahhh..
    I’ll continue

    @tmwta
    As long as the character wasn’t being buffed or amped during those high end feat, we assume he’s perfectly capable of it in a debate, since going “all out” is part of maximum efficiency.

    “That doesn’t mean it’s the right way of doing things.”

    You said BankGambling never does it, despite every BankGamblingr doing it in ever comic debate.
    Anyhow, I think it’s the best way to do it, caus of my reasoning above.

    “IMO, the most accurate comparisons involving one or more comic book characters was to look at their feats ONLY in the contextually relevant happenings. ”

    I disagree with this.
    The location of the fight, and the characters current state of mind play a MUCH larger role than the opponents they’re facing.
    I generally don’t like using fights as a feat, but rather the specifics that happen within the fight.

    “Or should the high-end be discarded due to the lower showings? It’s all a matter of opinion”

    Already touched on this but I’ll just clarify.
    Low end feats can be disregarded due to CiS, the character not giving it all he has.
    But how can you disregard a high-end feat? The only time high end feats should be disregarded is when it’s abundantly clear that it’s PIS.
    Otherwise, high-ends > low-ends because of the characters “holding back” or having gotten stronger over time.

  19. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 8, 2014 at 8:05 pm -      #119

    “Oh, and firestorm does things like turn people into piles of salt or water or whatever…
    Turns cars into birds, buildings into cats. That sorta stuff.”

    Sounds kinda like what Heralds can do, and sometimes Thor… When he feels like it.

    What’d you think of that Stardust stuff I mentioned? The picosecond one I have no idea what to make of, but living in the sun and being able to fly from Andromeda to the Milky Way are damn impressive, and make me wonder if that’s just an ability Heralds just have(because he specifically says the power cosmic let’s him do that)or if it was just him. Either way it’s impressive as hell.

  20. knightbreaker117 December 8, 2014 at 9:12 pm -      #120

    I’m going with flash on this on the fact that he beat brainiac and lex

  21. sadot06 December 8, 2014 at 10:28 pm -      #121

    “I’m going with flash on this on the fact that he beat brainiac and lex”

    Wrong Flash

  22. Ragnorke December 9, 2014 at 4:51 am -      #122

    @CH
    Unlike Thor though, firestorm has control over all molecules in the universe.
    There’s a few issues where he loses control and is about to caus another big bang, and needs to be contained or calmed down.

    However he’s still usually treated as a B-list hero, and almost acts like a sidekick at times… Despite being possibly the most powerful member of the justice league.
    I think it’s because of his multiple personalities. Caus a random teenager is usually the host that’s “in control”, and he has no experience or knowledge about his powers.

    I’d like to see him play a bigger part in the new52. Possibly with the return of Captain Atom. A duo series with the two of them would be awesome.
    One of them has completely given in to his powers, and believes life and the universe is meaningless, whereas the other is still a teenager who values life too much.

    As for the stardust thing… I’m kinda shocked…
    He’s kinda treated as galactuses weakest Herald. Like the way he’s talked to and stuff.
    And didnt Thor or brb kick his ass?

  23. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 9, 2014 at 10:14 am -      #123

    “I’m going with flash on this on the fact that he beat brainiac and lex”

    Man, did CW-DCverse get big real fast!
    =
    “firestorm has control over all molecules in the universe.”

    You mean at the same time? Cus I don’t think I’ve ever seen Thor not be able to do whatever he wants with it when he’s used it.
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    “There’s a few issues where he loses control and is about to caus another big bang, and needs to be contained or calmed down.”

    Geez.

    Honestly, I hate when characters have that level of power and aren’t considered cosmic beings… Like, what’s the point of having cosmic level threats if your average joe super person can survive the universe going boom or do crap like that?
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    “However he’s still usually treated as a B-list hero, and almost acts like a sidekick at times… Despite being possibly the most powerful member of the justice league.”

    That’s dumb…
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    “I’d like to see him play a bigger part in the new52. ”

    Haven’t read his thing yet in N52, but he hasn’t seemed too powerful in N52, maybe I’ll give his stuff a read though. I’ve read some of the N52 JL with him in it, not too impressive yet.
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    “Possibly with the return of Captain Atom. A duo series with the two of them would be awesome.”

    Captain Atom is seriously OP though. Even N52 was doing stuff like going to the timesstream and flying to the end of the universe(at least the future versions of himself). It showed how something with his powers could potentially end up beating the ever living crap out of WW, Supes, GL(Hal), Flash, and Cyborg. So, pretty much the entirety of the JL… And in one of the Future’s End tie in comics it has him tell us stuff about how he can control the stuff of the universe(yes it says stuff) and how apparently he controls speed force and time and space at a molecular level.
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    “As for the stardust thing… I’m kinda shocked…”

    I am too honestly… I’m just so confused over the picosecond quote, which got me more than the living in the sun part.
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    “He’s kinda treated as galactuses weakest Herald. Like the way he’s talked to and stuff.”

    I always thought that was Terrax honestly. Morg always seemed weak to me too.
    =
    “And didnt Thor or brb kick his ass?”

    BRB did I know that much, not sure about Thor, Probably though.

  24. Ragnorke December 9, 2014 at 11:03 am -      #124

    Thor has never had powerful molecular manipulation…
    I mean sure he’s used it a few times when the writers want him to, but it was never on a large scale or consistent.

    Andddd firestorm has the power of the big bang itself… So probably has potential enough to keep up with cap atom.
    He’s the only person I can think of that could duo with the cap.
    I also like how different their personalities are. Exact opposite ends of the spectrum.
    Conversations between them would be interesting.

  25. Ragnorke December 9, 2014 at 11:09 am -      #125

    Didn’t morg rebel against Galactus? And it took multiple characters and heralds to take him down?
    I thought morg was like surfer level.

    Galactus has a Herald that got killed… Brought back to life and then killed again…
    I’d assume he was the weakest :P
    Gotta look up his name.

  26. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 9, 2014 at 11:30 am -      #126

    “Thor has never had powerful molecular manipulation…”

    He’s never used it that much. When he’s done it he transformed a pyramid to a forest, altered Hyperion’s size, and turned a man into helium.
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    “I mean sure he’s used it a few times when the writers want him to, but it was never on a large scale or consistent.”

    I’ll give you the large scale thing, and if by consistent you mean he has multiple of the same feats, then it’s because he never tired to do the same thing twice, but if you mean he’s never done it very often, than yea, he hasn’t.
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    “Andddd firestorm has the power of the big bang itself…”

    Even N52?
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    Here’s the picosecond thing:
    i.imgur.com/7J7mdGy.jpg

    Here’s the cross galaxy travel:
    i.imgur.com/VTo3zIZ.jpg

    He has a tussle with the last of his people and then starts going back to Galactus again.
    i.imgur.com/X8nUuty.jpg
    i.imgur.com/6KndH7L.jpg

  27. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 9, 2014 at 11:44 am -      #127

    “Didn’t morg rebel against Galactus? And it took multiple characters and heralds to take him down?”

    From what I’ve read that had him he didn’t impress me much.
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    “Galactus has a Herald that got killed… Brought back to life and then killed again…
    I’d assume he was the weakest :P
    Gotta look up his name.”

    Wasn’t Stardust. IIRC he was killed(along with Red Shift)by a beam that was draining Galactus. I wouldn’t necessarily call that “weak.” He then reformed at the Andromeda Galaxy and since then he had a tussle with the F4 and BRB.

  28. Warlock Lowk December 9, 2014 at 5:34 pm -      #128

    “Even N52?”

    I think it was mentioned during the forever evil arc.

  29. sadot06 December 10, 2014 at 6:11 am -      #129

    So the professor zoom episode didn’t bring any new feats for Barry (the Flash basically just got his ass kicked), but in January it showed he was going to be training specifically to get fast enough to be able to fight him.

  30. Warlock Lowk December 10, 2014 at 6:18 am -      #130

    “So the professor zoom episode didn’t bring any new feats for Barry (the Flash basically just got his ass kicked), but in January it showed he was going to be training specifically to get fast enough to be able to fight him.”

    Makes me wonder if the writers are keeping up with recent comics. N52 Barry recently got his ass kicked by a more experienced speedster.
    Also that completely expected twist confused me as to how it happened.

  31. sadot06 December 10, 2014 at 7:00 am -      #131

    “Makes me wonder if the writers are keeping up with recent comics. N52 Barry recently got his ass kicked by a more experienced speedster.
    Also that completely expected twist confused me as to how it happened.”

    I’m sure they keep tabs on it. But yeah the Wells being Zoom thing was obvious from episode 1, but controlling it through a suit was, odd. But I’m glad Firestorm is officially part of the new CW DC universe.

  32. Ragnorke December 10, 2014 at 7:19 am -      #132

    Which firestorm incarnation are they using in the show btw?
    Still multiple people fused together? Or just 1 dude with powers?

  33. Warlock Lowk December 10, 2014 at 8:29 am -      #133

    Just Ronnie.
    Though I wonder if they are going to add Jason to stabilize him and give him the second part of his power set. Right now he just shoots fire and flies.
    EDIT: Every superhero they add just makes me more and more giddy over the thought that they might be slowly forming the TV version of the Justice League.

  34. sadot06 December 10, 2014 at 9:08 am -      #134

    “Every superhero they add just makes me more and more giddy over the thought that they might be slowly forming the TV version of the Justice League.”

    That would be awesome. They’re already doing one for Teen Titans. The big JL would be sick.

  35. Epicazeroth December 10, 2014 at 3:29 pm -      #135

    @Rag: “Still multiple people fused together? Or just 1 dude with powers?”
    Right now it’s just been Ronnie. Victor Garber is playing Martin Stein’s half.
    ===
    @sadot: “They’re already doing one for Teen Titans.”
    What? Where?
    ===
    @Lowk: “give him the second part of his power set.”
    The part where he could solo the entire DC TV Universe? Unlikely.

    “Also that completely expected twist confused me as to how it happened.”
    My theory is that they’re two different people, as Cisco said there were two speedsters. Personally I think he might Bart. It’s probably not the case; it’s more likely that Wells is Thawne and the other speedster was Bart, Jay, or Wally. Then again, we have no explanation for how anybody else would have gotten their powers – or how the Hell Wells was sent back in time – so who knows.

  36. sadot06 December 10, 2014 at 3:49 pm -      #136

    “What? Where?”

    screenrant.com/teen-titans-series-tnt-pilot-2015/

  37. Warlock Lowk December 10, 2014 at 9:29 pm -      #137

    “it’s more likely that Wells is Thawne and the other speedster was Bart, Jay, or Wally”

    Thawne is the Cop Iris is dating, Wells probably isn’t him.
    EDIT: OR did you mean like he was a relative or something?

  38. Alpha or Omega December 10, 2014 at 10:07 pm -      #138

    To be fair on the Superman and Thor having low showings, it has some justification on it.
    /
    Assuming this is PostCrisis-Pre52
    Because of Superman’s growing power by the sun, he can be as strong as he can keep growing but sometimes he’s weakened by kryptonite, magic, or a red sun or a prolonged fight.(Which, these weaknesses were removed later when he got to strong).
    This is basically a justification for Superman struggling when he shouldn’t and it allows writers to make Superman’s strength in certain issues.
    /
    Also, earlier on, he had a mental barrier that prevented him from surviving without oxygen, deal planet busting blows, going FTL and survive supernovas, so any low end feats before that can be chalked up to having a mental barrier.
    /
    This is aside from the fact that he holds back massively on earth to prevent harm. It’s his moral and his fear.
    This is all based on memory, so if I got something wrong, please correct me.
    /
    As for Thor, he came back from the dead.
    The reason he got hit recently by Wolverine and being called out by Captain America for having slow reaction time is because of being groggy after coming back.
    Not sure about what strength he struggles with, but he holds back sometimes to avoid hurting others.

  39. sadot06 March 19, 2015 at 4:28 am -      #139

    So this is now a stomp. On this week’s episode the Flash had a lightning timing feat and then at the end of the episode moved so fast that he ruptured the time-space continuum

  40. Ragnorke March 20, 2015 at 10:17 am -      #140

    “then at the end of the episode moved so fast that he ruptured the time-space continuum”

    Yea i just saw that.
    Flash stomps?

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