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For this battle, it’s the Cinematic Marvel up against the Cinematic DC Comics.
This is a universe battle to the death.
All live action and animated films starting from 2001 are in play.
Agents of Shield counts for Marvel since it ties in with their films.
Which side would win?
Marvel.
DC
Image… just kidding!, Marvel
Cinematic universes don’t generally include the animated movies, from discussions and debates I’ve seen before. DC animated, by virtue of being animated, do a lot more comic-esque things. Spite match is hella spiteful.
Spite, it doesn’t mean what you think it means. Both sides have access to live action and animated movies. Stop trolling.
Really? People throw out the word trolling far too easily these days. Just because someone has a differing opinion.
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DC animated have All Star Superman, which has a big sun eating entity. Crisis on Two Earths with has 2 Superman level beings amongst others, Doomsday, Brainiac, Darksied, The people in the Flashpoint Paradox. Live action wise, even though the movie wasn’t amazing, they have the entire GLC. All of them, you see them all in that movie, Guardians and all. The Watchmen is listed under their live actions movies…
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Marvel animated can’t keep up with those level of characters. They don’t have big enough hitters on their side in this match up. And their live actions has a woefully useless Galactus, and the Silver Surfer wasn’t that powerful. I’m not even sure movie Asgard can do anything.
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I said spite, btw, because it’s your match and you instantly said DC and nothing else. JS.
I was about to say spite match in favor of Marvel then I read the OP and saw it’s not MCU vs DCCU and whats actually going on.
I agree with Kara Marvel doesn’t have enough to keep up on the animated front.
The inclusion of Agents of Shield seeming kind of hollow since its not the Marvel Cinematic Universe vs DC equivalent anyway.
That said if Marvel gets its animated tv shows that gives them several Galactus’s which is something I guess
Green Lantern was pretty impressive feat wise (despite the movie being garbage)
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And I dare anyone to show feats that put any Marvel character on the level of Supes.
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Flash is pretty useful too, if we count the tv shows.
He’s faster than quicksilver, if we’re even including the x-men here.
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I’m not even going to talk about the animated series, caus DC roflstomps there.
Didn’t superman survive a concentrated blast with the power of 12 supernovas?
@Ragnorke
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“Didn’t superman survive a concentrated blast with the power of 12 supernovas?”
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In Superman vs. The Elite? I loved that movie, but let’s be honest we can’t trust those punks words. How should they know how powerful was that blast exactly? You can clearly see that the moon is okay. So they just talked shit.
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Anyway here some feats:
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=zexXH3lS8Uw
www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9jZ_qcxivc
too bad none of DC’s live action shows tie into the DCCinematic universe at all whatsoever.
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As for Superman, love to see him deal with a planetary life wiping crystal….or you know an entire universe since if this was MCU vs DC equivalent his ass would be facing an entire universe.
@Jake_Uzumaki
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If we use only movies like MoS and Avengers and similar stuff….
Then it’s too freaky early for that match. In 10 or so years sure, now? No way. Marvel stomps with ease.
So I think we should use more.
@Jake
OP clearly said ALL live action incarnations and animated incarnations since 2001. Nowhere does it say we only use the tie-in cinematic-verse.
So DC is still stomping big time.
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As for the life wiping crystal, Thor dealt with it pretty easily lol. Supes is superior in every imaginable way, even if we ignore the animated shows.
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@rookie
The moon being intact isn’t enough evidence to disprove it in my opinion. Comic characters are known to contain their hits.
Such as the entire sentry vs Thor fight. Multiple planets should have been destroyed, since we know sentry can tank planetary blows with ease… Yet earth was perfectly intact.
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I see no reason why he would be lying or exaggerating.
Let’s look at the context.
They were in a life threatening situation, and he told his buddy how hard he hit superman.
He wasn’t trying to boast, he wasn’t trying to intimidate or show off, he was legitimataly scared shitless that superman could survive something like that.
It’s the type of statement where a character would never be exaggerating in my opinion.
@Ragnorke
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“The moon being intact isn’t enough evidence to disprove it in my opinion. Comic characters are known to contain their hits.”
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Comics yes. but animated versions are usually weaker.
Personally I don’t mind against this being true, I want DC to win. But we do not have actual proof, only character statement.
If we start to accept such things we will end in the chaos one day.
I could be wrong of course, but this is my opinion.
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By the way. Do you have any ideas about how good are FW Godzilla against new 52 Superman? Have he any chance to win? I am planning to suggest two kaijus (Godzilla and him: static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11112/111128444/4220228-toriko-5227173.jpg )against Superman, Superboy and Supergirl.
“DC”
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Welp. I can see why Kara says spite.
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“That said if Marvel gets its animated tv shows that gives them several Galactus’s which is something I guess”
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Why would they? Although if they did, they have a more planet busters.
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“Green Lantern was pretty impressive feat wise (despite the movie being garbage)”
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Did he?
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“And I dare anyone to show feats that put any Marvel character on the level of Supes.”
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MoS or Returns?
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“Flash is pretty useful too, if we count the tv shows.
He’s faster than quicksilver, if we’re even including the x-men here.”
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I doubt we’re including DC TV shows since they aren’t a part of DC’s cinematic universes, unlike Marvel who’s including pretty much everything in their CU.
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What makes Flash faster than X-Men’s Quicksilver? He didn’t seem much faster, if at all.
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“As for Superman, love to see him deal with a planetary life wiping crystal….or you know an entire universe since if this was MCU vs DC equivalent his ass would be facing an entire universe.”
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Wish the Celestials had more feats in the movie, besides vague “Powerful beings,” quote…
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“If we use only movies like MoS and Avengers and similar stuff….”
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OP said from 2001 forward, doesn’t just include MoS Supes, but Returns Supes as well.
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“OP clearly said ALL live action incarnations and animated incarnations since 2001. Nowhere does it say we only use the tie-in cinematic-verse.
So DC is still stomping big time.”
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No, he said all live action films. He doesn’t include live action shows or else why mention that Agents of SHIELD is a part of the match?
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“As for the life wiping crystal, Thor dealt with it pretty easily lol. Supes is superior in every imaginable way, even if we ignore the animated shows.”
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That’s not the one he’s talking about. The one from GotG.
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“The moon being intact isn’t enough evidence to disprove it in my opinion. Comic characters are known to contain their hits.”
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Why not? That’s the usual flow of logic. If it doesn’t do what’s being said, it’s not that powerful. Obviously there’s exception(like with guize like Thor, Hulk, Hyperion, Supes, etc), but even then that’s because we know they can produce that type of power.
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“Such as the entire sentry vs Thor fight. Multiple planets should have been destroyed, since we know sentry can tank planetary blows with ease… Yet earth was perfectly intact.”
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They have the initial feats to back it up though. That guy doesn’t on the other hand. Unless you have a feat of him destroying 15 solar systems?
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So, Marvel has the Infinity Stones, one of which can planet bust. Apparently it’s pretty easy to build moon busting bombs according to Rocket(probably bullshit though). They have the Celestials(featless). and an unknown amount of random other species of aliens to help out fight(for sure Chitauri, Kree, and Xandarians).
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I think overall power DC would win, but since it’s including everything I think Marvel could win with sheer numbers.
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How would War World vs Apokolips go?
Aren’t the animated DC movies basically the Post-crisis/Pre-52 comics, just animated?
The comics said the blast was concentrated to reach several supernovas.
@Rookie
New52 superman is still really really really fast.
I wouldnt recommend matching him against kaiju.
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@CH
On my phone, so I can’t quote anything… So.. Just bear with me
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1. it says only content after 2001… So I don’t think marvel gets alot of Galactus feats.
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2. Green Lantern movie had better overall power levels compared to Marvel movies imo.
Knocking giant parallax into sun, ftl flight, surviving that close to the sun. That sorta stuff.
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3. Both superman movies were post 2001, so they would both be included.
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4. Someone did the maths on YouTube. Tv flash is faster than tv quicksilver.
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5. He said films and animations though. Supes has some crazy feats in animated movies.
He lifted 1/6th the weight of earth with one hand, without much effort.
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6. You have a good point on the solar feat, the way he said it just makes it seem genuine to me though.
It wasn’t boastful or whatever, he was scared as fuck and had no reason to be lying.
Whether or not he can actually create that energy could still be questioned, but there’s no doubt that HE BELIEVES he can create that sort of energy.
“The comics said the blast was concentrated to reach several supernovas.”
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Scan?
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“1. it says only content after 2001… So I don’t think marvel gets alot of Galactus feats.”
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Jake was talking about Marvel animated TV shows, which I was mentioning would include some planet busters since EMH had a few IIRC.
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“2. Green Lantern movie had better overall power levels compared to Marvel movies imo.
Knocking giant parallax into sun, ftl flight, surviving that close to the sun. That sorta stuff.”
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Wasn’t Parallax just a giant gas cloud with a face? Doesn’t seem at all impressive. FTL flight and surviving close to the sun are, but IIRC Human Torch was able to create supernova(it was when he was in the machine that was measuring his heat levels IIRC). Which Invisible Woman was able to contain, which Doom survived.
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“3. Both superman movies were post 2001, so they would both be included.”
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I was asking as to which would you believe would be harder to find feats for. They’re separate incarnations so would be counted as separate characters. MoS is IIRC a lot less impressive than Returns so I don’t think he’d be as hard to counter, Returns on the other hand would probably be impossible since he moved the Earth or something.
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“4. Someone did the maths on YouTube. Tv flash is faster than tv quicksilver.”
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Video link? I seriously doubt that. He has one off feat of moving fast enough to slow things down, same as Quicksilver. Only difference is that Quicksilver’s lasted(seemingly) a lot longer than Flash’s.
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“5. He said films and animations though. Supes has some crazy feats in animated movies.
He lifted 1/6th the weight of earth with one hand, without much effort.”
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Don’t know what this is a response to.
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“6. You have a good point on the solar feat, the way he said it just makes it seem genuine to me though.
It wasn’t boastful or whatever, he was scared as fuck and had no reason to be lying.
Whether or not he can actually create that energy could still be questioned, but there’s no doubt that HE BELIEVES he can create that sort of energy.”
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And Cell believes he could destroy a supernova, but I doubt anyone would take his word.
“What makes Flash faster than X-Men’s Quicksilver? He didn’t seem much faster, if at all.”
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I’m not sure about the CW Flash, but from the animated movies you got Flashpoint, where The Flash is fast enough to travel back in time several decades through raw speed in a perceived timeframe of a single night.
“I’m not sure about the CW Flash”
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That’s the one we’re talking about specifically.
In episode 2, Berry claims he can hit Mach 1.57. Episode 1 shows him hitting just shy of Mach 1.
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Figure that’s relevant then.
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… I’ve been meaning to watch the Flash show; figure now is as good as time as any to start.
@CH
Eh, I’m not too sure on the human torches supernova feat. I’ll continue that when I get to my laptop.
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Returns lifted a continent as big as north America… Made of KRYPTONITE… Into orbit.(actually it hadn’t finished growing yet, but still a great feat)
Also many times FTL, since he traveled to a different galaxy and back.
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Flash has the feat of him running across the city, which we see from birds eye view.
That scene was used to calculate his speed, relative to quick silvers famous feat.
I’ll link it when I reach laptop.
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Anyhow, none of that matters since animated DC has flash taking circles around the earth in seconds.
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Andddd you COMPLETELY missed my point about the 15 solar feat. Good job.
Cell was boastful, he was trying to intimidate others, he was trying to make himself seem godlike.
If you watch the context of the superman feat however, his opponent had no reason to be boasting.
He had no reason to be lying at all.
He was actually WORRIED that superman was able to survive (what he believes to be) 15 supernovas. He was shitting himself in awe of how powerful superman is… So… Why would he take that opportunity to boast and exaggerate his power, if he wasn’t even talking to superman at the time? That makes no sense.
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Context matters.
I believe some “professional” estimates of the Man of Steel Zod-fight were made, and the damage done was comparable to the Nagasaki blast. Zod and Supes did all kinds of stuff in that movie, including flying into space, survivng re-entry, and breaking the sound barrier. Supes shook off crashing through a mountain like it was nothing and could heat-vision massive holes in blocks of ice/steel girders.
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What I’m getting at is that no one in Marvel has the strength to hurt Superman besides Thor, and Thor is at a strength and speed disadvantage to begin with. The Infinity Stone would probably pose difficulties, but if you speed-blitz the guy holding it, they don’t have very many options.
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This is ignoring Returns Supes, who has FTL travel, can lift continents made of kryptonite, and…rebuild the Great Wall of China with his vision, as Returns Supes is the same Superman as Christopher Reeves’ Superman.
This is actually wrong slightly, there are stylistic ties to the older movies in returns, but it also ignores certain things, and Singer straight up threw out a lot of the more insane feats from thw old movies. Like spinning the world backwards to reverse time, and the such. So it has roots in the old mocies but doesn’t fully follow the canon of them.
“This is actually wrong slightly, there are stylistic ties to the older movies in returns, but it also ignores certain things, and Singer straight up threw out a lot of the more insane feats from thw old movies. Like spinning the world backwards to reverse time, and the such. So it has roots in the old mocies but doesn’t fully follow the canon of them.”
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Were the old feats thrown out? I heard no mention of that. I was kidding about the whole “great wall of china” thing, but my interpretation of the movie was “sequel to the first two Christopher Reeves movies”, as this one just kinda assumes there were movies before it, and it ignores the bad ones.
Like end of Superman 2 Lois loses her memory via super kiss, in Returns that is completely tossed out the window. This might help a bit also though wiki or not.
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superman.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Superman_Returns_plot_elements_and_trivia
“I said spite, btw, because it’s your match and you instantly said DC and nothing else. JS.”
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“nsl98 November 26, 2014 at 6:57 am – #1
Marvel.”
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Here is the Marvel List:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_based_on_Marvel_Comics
I agree with Kara and CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets, this is a lame spite match,
none of DC’s animated movies are even connected.
Meaning they have like a dozen versions of the league, and twenty batmen.
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As for the CW Flash vs DoFP Quicksilver, this source.
www.wired.com/2014/06/whos-faster-flash-or-quicksilver/
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Says that Pete has a high end estimate of 20’000mph! and a low end of 9000.
Whereas Barry’s top speed is 700mph and he struggled to break the sound barrier…once.
So it looks like DoFP Quicksilver is faster much faster… until Blackout appeared.
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[Spoiler Alert]
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As of last episode Flash got a power/confidence boost and is now a lightening timer!.
Not sure if he can sustain that speed but damn!, he definitely “took it to the next level”.
“Eh, I’m not too sure on the human torches supernova feat. I’ll continue that when I get to my laptop.”
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Wasn’t Mr. F literally having him in a chamber specifically just to measure his heat levels when he mentioned the supernova? There really shouldn’t be any doubt.
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“Returns lifted a continent as big as north America… Made of KRYPTONITE… Into orbit.(actually it hadn’t finished growing yet, but still a great feat)
Also many times FTL, since he traveled to a different galaxy and back.”
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Wut…
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“Flash has the feat of him running across the city, which we see from birds eye view.
That scene was used to calculate his speed, relative to quick silvers famous feat.
I’ll link it when I reach laptop.”
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Is it the link Darth Bombad posted, cus that says QS is faster.
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“Anyhow, none of that matters since animated DC has flash taking circles around the earth in seconds.”
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Ugh… Stupid animated films…
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“Andddd you COMPLETELY missed my point about the 15 solar feat. Good job.”
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No, I understood what you were saying. Cell was the first thing I could think of since I had to get ready to go to work.
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“what he believes to be”
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I’m sure a five year old believes their fathers to be invincible heroes.
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“Context matters.”
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Feats to back up the context matter more.
I know for some reason it’s popular among certain people on this site to attack my matches without even really paying attention, causing them to look foolish. But in your haste to declare this a DC spite match with zero evidence, you neglected some of the movies that fall under Marvel, which include Men in Black. I mean come on, you people didn’t even mention Silver Surfer.
@sadot06
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” I mean come on, you people didn’t even mention Silver Surfer.”
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I thought that movie Galactus was kinda weak.
Was I wrong?
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“which include Men in Black”
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They in Marvel too? If so that’s a serious power up.
Yeah Men in Black falls under Marvel films.
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Silver Surfer was good in that movie and Galactus was starving. It’s a universe match, he can feed.
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Surfer: www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1SWiiiQ0FY
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbyyRD8g3q8
Lol, make better matches instead of complaining “certain people” ‘hate’ on your matches. Coz guess what, you’re not the only one who gets called out for poor, spite or stomp matches.
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Though it’s obv you don’t even read my comments because I mentioned both Galactus and Silver Surfer and how woefully underpowered they are in that movie and how useless they are against animated DC superman, alone.
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Even though MIB is listed under Marvel’s wiki there, they’re ‘imprints’ from Malibu comics and do they even count? Even so, what do they have in those 3 movies to take on DC animated Supes?
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Marvel don’t have the line up to take on DC animated, it’s that simple.
@sadot06
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“Yeah Men in Black falls under Marvel films. ”
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Does they still have time-travel machine?
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“Silver Surfer was good in that movie and Galactus was starving. It’s a universe match, he can feed.”
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We have no idea about him in his prime sadly.
“Does they still have time-travel machine?”
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They do
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They also have: www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJOVUF-HaDw
@sadot06
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“They do”
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Then Matvel should win.
Send Thor back in time and nuke every home planet of every main DC hero.
Problem solved.
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“They also have: ”
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Not see how this will help.
Except Flashpoint Flash can time travel too. As can Reverse Flash.
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And there is Infinite Earths too.
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There is also the Time Trapper from JL: Trapped In Time, which tried this pretty much exact same idea. It didn’t work because time travel is easy.
MiB is not part of Marvel. The Comics may be part of Marvel’s comic, but the movies are not Marvel Entertainment movies.
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Aside from that, clearly DC is stomping from what I can see. Just wanted to add (not related to the match): The Flash (live-action) just went fast enough the lightning (electricity, but presumably lightning) looked almost standstill.
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EDIT: Crap, didn’t see the OP. Apparently DC’s live-action shows don’t count. Whatever, it’s still interesting.
DC has this easy. IMO, Marvel makes the better live-action films right now, and DC makes the better animated films. If this were a battle of quality, it’d be close.
But a power battle? Honestly, combining the various Supermen, and they could solo most of the Marvel characters here.
“MiB is not part of Marvel. The Comics may be part of Marvel’s comic, but the movies are not Marvel Entertainment movies.”
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It says all Marvel films. Not just the MCU. Either way, he’s OP if he says they get them then they get them.
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So, team Marvel now has aliens that literally use galaxies like marbles…
How long has MiB been apart of marvel cinematic uni?
@Warlock Lowk
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“How long has MiB been apart of marvel cinematic uni?”
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For several years if I remember right. Still they are with Marvel here.
And with such OP aliens and time-travel I think it safe to say that Marvel wins here.
Marvel for BankGambling Award.
“How long has MiB been apart of marvel cinematic uni?”
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Depends. If you mean MCU as in this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe then never. But since it’s part of this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_based_on_Marvel_Comics and was made past 2001 then it’s still valid.
Time travel only doesn’t help marvel a whole lot. DC has time travel if it’s own, most notably the Flash (who is easily capable of soloing Marvel)
Also, if we’re including absolutely EVERYTHING like the giant galaxy aliens from mib…. Then DC gets infinite universes, and lots of nigh-omnipitent god characters from some of the cartoons.
“DC gets infinite universes, and lots of nigh-omnipitent god characters from some of the cartoons.”
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They don’t. But out of curiosity, which movies were those in?
Infinite universes is from Crisis on Two Earths.
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The only nigh-omnipotent god (being extremely generous with that term btw) characters that I can think of are Amazo from the JLU tv show (casually moves a planet between dimensions; massively FTL; copies others’ powers), and some cosmic entity from a Green Lantern movie (not the live action one; this was like a clip show showing highlights of a past season… except it was a standalone movie without a show. It’s narrative was a little disjointed so I kinda forgot who the big bad cosmic force that took the entire GL force to defeat was). … Also Superman because he’s Superman.
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Which reminds me… Mogo, the Living Planet, also a member of the Green Lanterns.
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Also just remembered: Lex Luthor created a super power syrum that gives him Superman’s powers. This can be mass produced. Everyone is now Superman.
Krona is the alien in Emerald Knights, which was also one of my favorite animated movies by DC.
So you’re ok with MiB / Marvel getting giant galaxy moving aliens that we literally know nothing about and barely get a glimpse of… But you’re not ok with DC getting its multiverse, which is actually an important part of DC, and appears in the movies?
That’s just silly match making.
Seems like false advertising to label this MCU vs DCCU and adding in the animated universes as well. Just Saiyan.
In this match, currently, which side have more powerful reality warpers DC or Marvel?
“So you’re ok with MiB / Marvel getting giant galaxy moving aliens that we literally know nothing about and barely get a glimpse of… But you’re not ok with DC getting its multiverse, which is actually an important part of DC, and appears in the movies?
That’s just silly match making.”
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I brought them up to prove a point, which is that everybody gang wanked DC and didn’t even consider what Marvel had because it’s easy to say “derp spite” than to actually think critically.
The issue is more, most people went with the MCCU being solely the movies made by Marvel studios, and not those made by outside studios. While MiB is a marvel owned comic the movies weren’t made by Marvel’s filming department.
What?
How is DC being wanted? Every member of the justice league has shown time and time again how ridiculously powerful they are, in the very source material that you allowed for the match.
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Superman, flash, green Lantern… They’re the faces of DC.
Whereas marvel is needing to resort to a FINGER that we see for about 15 seconds at the end of a fucking men in black movie (god knows why those movies are even included here)
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Now let’s get one thing straight. I know damn well you wanted this match to be based on characters we all know and love. And everyone here was here to debate those characters. Characters whose NAMES we actually know.
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If you were going to include ambiguous beings larger than entire universes… Why suggest this match at all?
Did you really intend for this match to be a “my giant multiverse sized alien > your giant multiverse sized alien!”
….Didn’t think so.
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Shit like that it supposed to be banned, for good reason. Nevermind the fact we don’t even have a speck of information on them.
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DC characters are superior to marvels in just about every way. You suggested a match, and it had a pretty clear winner. Why can’t you just let it be?
” (god knows why those movies are even included here)”
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Because it falls under a movie that’s based off of something Marvel made.
“Because it falls under a movie that’s based off of something Marvel made.”
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I thought they fell under something marvel aquired.
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It’s kind of funny though. Men in Black suddenly being counted as marvel now despite it having shit to do with actual marvel.
“I thought they fell under something marvel aquired.”
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Regardless, it’s Marvel’s now.
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“It’s kind of funny though. Men in Black suddenly being counted as marvel now despite it having shit to do with actual marvel.”
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Meh, OP says they’re in then they’re in. Regardless of that they still fall under Marvel’s umbrella.
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Honestly either way it’s a stomp. Either Marvel has giant aliens that use galaxies for marbles or DC kills Marvel with Supes from Returns or the animated verses.
If one team has a universe sized being, whereas the other team doesn’t, that should be banned… Or why bother suggestiong the match at all?
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Majority of the “successful” universal matches on BankGambling had balancing rules for situations like these.
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Sadot just seems a bit… Butthurt… That his match wasn’t balanced at all… So he decided to make it even more unbalanced in the opposite direction.
“Regardless, it’s Marvel’s now.”
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Is it? I mean I get the comic is but isn’t the movie just inspired by it. Did they have the little Marvel thing in the intro?
“If one team has a universe sized being, whereas the other team doesn’t, that should be banned…”
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O, I don’t disagree it’s stupid, but regardless it’s going to be a unbalanced either way… Could’ve been good too.
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“Is it?”
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It’s listed on the wiki page.
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” Did they have the little Marvel thing in the intro?”
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I don’t think that’s a requirement for falling under “Marvel’s” movie or not. As long as it was inspired or made by something that Marvel owns, I don’t see a problem with it. Either way, OP gave it to them by his own words, so it’s in regardless.
DC should win. For now. In 2018, Marvel is doing the Infinity Gauntlet, which will give them the win.