Siege of Hogwarts

Siege of Hogwarts

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There are 2 teams for this match. Team 1 is inside of Hogwarts and defending it from Team 2 Hogwarts is fully staffed with staff and students who can attempt to aid in the defense. Team 2’s sole goal is too kill all members of Team 1, but they will not hesitate to kill the staff or students should they get in the way. The teams are:

Team 1
1. Dante (Devil May Cry)
2. Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
3. Skulduggery Pleasant (Skulduggery Pleasant)
4. Lancer (Fate/Stay Night)
5. Harry Dresden (Dresden Files)
6. Sephiroth (Final Fantasy)
7. Abel Nightroad (Trinity Blood)
8. Jiro Mochizuki (Black Blood Brothers)
9. Coyote Starrk (Bleach)
10. Kratos (God of War)

Team 2
1. Berzerker (Fate/Stay Night)
2. Alucard (Hellsing)
3. Kenpachi (Bleach)
4. Kharn The Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)
5. Kakashi (Naruto)
6. Inuyasha (Inuyasha)
7. Blackbeard (One Piece)
8. Sora (Kingdom Hearts)
9. Yusuke Urameshi (Yu Yu Hakusho)
10. Kain (Legacy of Kain)

Both sides know their team members’ powers and abilities well, and have a rough knowledge of their opponents powers. Team 2 also has knowledge of the castle’s interior layout.

Will the defenders survive or be conquered and killed?

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228 Comments on "Siege of Hogwarts"

  1. nsl98 November 7, 2014 at 6:34 am -      #1

    I think that the castle is gonna lose this fight. I’ll side with team 2 for now.

  2. Hermit November 7, 2014 at 7:34 am -      #2

    Harry Potter opens the Room of Requirement.
    .
    *Superman comes out*

  3. Shgon Dunstan November 7, 2014 at 7:45 am -      #3

    …There are a few(well, three, and some IDKVW) on team two that can just blow the castle off the map, and 99% of the people inside it right along with it. 😕

  4. Shgon Dunstan November 7, 2014 at 7:48 am -      #4

    No wait, didn’t see Keny there. Make that four.

  5. Kitten Lord November 7, 2014 at 8:22 am -      #5

    Out of interest, isnt there a field around hogwarts that stops people from teleporting around it? Or can you teleport “out” once your in, but not “in” once your out, because I could have sworn there was a safeguard against it ,hence why they use regular transport to get there (or physical means) but Dumbledore iirc apparated did he not from inside?

  6. Shgon Dunstan November 7, 2014 at 8:28 am -      #6

    @Kitten Lord

    Only stops wizard’s apparition. Other magicals can still do it, and even the wizards other teleportation methods still work.

    But… Why do you ask?

  7. Jake_Uzumaki November 7, 2014 at 9:13 am -      #7

    Well Dresden might be able to use the existing circle that is the dome shield to make a magic circle which would mean the invaders magic wouldn’t be able to get through at all….depending on how the hell elemental compatibility is going to work, could give team 1 time to pull off something crazy.

  8. Shgon Dunstan November 7, 2014 at 9:25 am -      #8

    @Jake_Uzumaki

    Not sure he can just use any random roundish(it’s a bubble shield after all) shape as a circle. Much less in the all of a second or two it will take Yusuke to just nuke the place.

    Also… The OP does realize they’re using the “requires massive Hax to be able to kill”-Alucard, right? ❓

  9. Kitten Lord November 7, 2014 at 9:28 am -      #9

    @Shgon

    “But… Why do you ask?”

    Because Kain could just teleport in there, use inspire hate and before you know it Team 1 and all the wizards are ripping into eachother. Save those who have either magical/mental resistances, hard to tell whether inspire hate is a magic or psionic attack.

  10. Shgon Dunstan November 7, 2014 at 9:32 am -      #10

    @Kitten Lord
    “Because Kain could just teleport in there, use inspire hate and before you know it Team 1 and all the wizards are ripping into eachother.”

    He’s better off waiting for the manga/anime characters to thin out the ranks first.

    Them just nuking the castle wont kill all of team 1, but it will do a mighty fine job of trying. 😛

  11. Jake_Uzumaki November 7, 2014 at 9:35 am -      #11

    well it’s the circle on the ground around the school that I meant, the actual shape of the shield doesn’t matter so long as the base is an actual physical circle for him to magic jack. And I probably should have said if there’s time which I doubt there is.

    The teams are fairly poorly matched up it feels like.

  12. Shgon Dunstan November 7, 2014 at 9:39 am -      #12

    @Jake_Uzumaki
    “well it’s the circle on the ground around the school that I meant”

    What circle on the ground?

  13. Jake_Uzumaki November 7, 2014 at 9:43 am -      #13

    Wasn’t there specific points that formed the circle that several teachers had to activate that were around campus?

  14. Kara Zor-El November 7, 2014 at 9:57 am -      #14

    And here I thought Kitten was going to suggest an Astute, hiding in the lake next to Hogwarts would solo both teams.

  15. Shgon Dunstan November 7, 2014 at 9:58 am -      #15

    @Jake_Uzumaki

    I sure don’t remember that from the movie, and the shield itself isn’t even in the books… Are you perhaps thinking of some game based on the movie?

  16. Rookie November 7, 2014 at 10:16 am -      #16

    Doesn’t Berserker have something like God Hand on him (shield which gives him 12 lives and you after each death he becomes immune to one weapon, so you 12 different weapons to kill him?)

    Anyway here’s a video with him:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1PmzgnZROo

  17. Shgon Dunstan November 7, 2014 at 10:31 am -      #17

    @Rookie
    “Doesn’t Berserker have something like God Hand on him (shield which gives him 12 lives and you after each death he becomes immune to one weapon, so you 12 different weapons to kill him?)”

    Pretty sure, yeah… Though it would matter more if he wasn’t on the same team as Al, who’d you’d need OOC Hax to even kill once.

    I forget if Post-S-Alucard can still absorb new souls… Don’t think he can, but I only really know him from debating/banging-my-head against him.

  18. Rookie November 7, 2014 at 10:35 am -      #18

    @Shgon Dunstan

    “I forget if Post-S-Alucard can still absorb new souls… Don’t think he can, but I only really know him from debating/banging-my-head against him.”

    He doesn’t lost this ability, he still a vamp.
    But!
    If he absorbed any soul he would need to spend some time and kill that soul, so only one soul remain in him (because of his new powers he must have only one soul or he stops exists as long as he have more than 1 soul in him).

    Also… What does Kharn do here? What can he add?

  19. Rookie November 7, 2014 at 10:48 am -      #19

    Some feats for Sephiroth:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csskrwy9w9M

  20. Rookie November 7, 2014 at 10:50 am -      #20

    Some Feats for Abel:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXniipm8_DM

  21. Kitten Lord November 7, 2014 at 11:17 am -      #21

    @Shgon

    “He’s better off waiting for the manga/anime characters to thin out the ranks first”

    That wont be necessary when everyone is at each others throats.

    @Kara

    Well….now that you mention it…

  22. Rookie November 7, 2014 at 11:19 am -      #22

    Feats for Blackbeard (kinda starnge using him now, when we do not know anything about his current powers, but):

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uJppYGOLfk

  23. Rookie November 7, 2014 at 11:21 am -      #23

    Feats for Starrk:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYQ2ImGOe9k

  24. Shgon Dunstan November 7, 2014 at 11:35 am -      #24

    @Kitten Lord
    “That wont be necessary when everyone is at each others throats. ”

    Kind of will be really. Much like team two, team one is very uneven in power level and ability, and though team two has a clear advantage, there is a few on team one that they don’t really want to give even the prep-time relying on them to kill themselves would give.

    After all, there are plenty on team two easily killed, who could otherwise be of use if they just blast away most of team one..

  25. Rookie November 7, 2014 at 11:40 am -      #25

    Some feats for Alucard:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5P8zUHLILk

  26. Friendlysociopath November 7, 2014 at 11:47 am -      #26

    Hmmm, Team 2 doesn’t have nearly the amount of hax Team 1 does. And Team 1 gets the entirety of the Hogwarts forces helping them? Eesh.

    Just a summary of things Sora can do:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yolZeXJfrw
    Of interesting note, he can inflict Stop just by hitting you with his keyblade as well as warp you elsewhere.

  27. Rookie November 7, 2014 at 11:56 am -      #27

    Alucard vs Walter:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=itr2zfXQ9hw

  28. Kitten Lord November 7, 2014 at 12:14 pm -      #28

    Since their working together whats the chances of all the members of team 2 giving Kain a blood cocktail of their blood. Just a slurp or so?

  29. Rookie November 7, 2014 at 12:16 pm -      #29

    Kenpachi vs Nnoitra:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_qPYr2hrSQ

  30. Rookie November 7, 2014 at 12:17 pm -      #30

    @Kitten Lord

    “Since their working together whats the chances of all the members of team 2 giving Kain a blood cocktail of their blood. ”

    Very low chances.

  31. Friendlysociopath November 7, 2014 at 12:27 pm -      #31

    “Since their working together whats the chances of all the members of team 2 giving Kain a blood cocktail of their blood. ”

    Probably not going to happen, although if they’re wounded or killed Kain would be free to help himself most likely.
    Edit: That’s blood on the floor or something, not Kain just jumping on a wounded guy and slurping.

  32. Rookie November 7, 2014 at 12:28 pm -      #32

    @Friendlysociopath

    ” Kain would be free to help himself most likely.”

    He is on the same team as Alucard… so probably he won’t have any blood.

  33. Friendlysociopath November 7, 2014 at 12:32 pm -      #33

    Oh whoops, I thought Alucard was on Team 1, my bad.
    Aw, that’s a waste of a comment- INFORMATION
    Yusuke: Mountain buster in strength, high hypersonic in speed, able to take mountain busting attacks. His spirit gun can be fired from kilometers away.

  34. Rookie November 7, 2014 at 12:35 pm -      #34

    @Friendlysociopath

    I think that both Kain and Kharn are weakest characters among both teams.

  35. Rookie November 7, 2014 at 12:40 pm -      #35

    Alucard vs Luke:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GbnMSGXEyE

  36. Warlock Lowk November 7, 2014 at 12:43 pm -      #36

    Kharn, Kenpachi, Kain, AND, Alucard? There are ways to die and then there are ways to die horribly. What do you people havr against the good wizards of hogwarts.

  37. Rookie November 7, 2014 at 1:13 pm -      #37

    Alucard vs Dandy Man:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF_YmJKiaKY

  38. Friendlysociopath November 7, 2014 at 3:05 pm -      #38

    I forget, can Sora summon or not? If he can he could call Genie as well as a certain Soldier that Sephiroth loves to toy with.

  39. pimpmage November 7, 2014 at 3:07 pm -      #39

    Guys, blackbeard literally has the power to lift the castle,as well as the surrounding mountains and flip them upside down and crush EVERYTHING.

  40. Rookie November 7, 2014 at 3:13 pm -      #40

    Blackbeard uses gura gura:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnayvYG_KUo

  41. Friendlysociopath November 7, 2014 at 6:02 pm -      #41

    So does Hogwarts itself have any defense from mountain-busting attacks? I seem to recall “relatively” weak giants being able to punch through the walls to break in.
    I think I’d have to ask who in Team 2 can’t just break through the walls.

    I know:
    Yusuke, Sora, and Blackbeard can break through the walls.
    I don’t know the others off the top of my head, but I imagine, the Bleach and Naruto characters can probably break through from what I know of their series.
    Berserker looks like his deal is more about just not dying, judging by the video posted.
    Alucard and Kain might be able to break through the walls- although they both can get in through more subtle ways as well.
    I don’t know anything about Inuyashi, and Kharn… I just don’t know about Kharn.

  42. Friendlysociopath November 7, 2014 at 6:10 pm -      #42

    I’m pretty sure the Hogwarts teachers would evacuate the students though. The only reason they all fight in the last book is because they believe in Harry and dislike Voldemort and they’re tired of being in the fantasy version of a brainwashing camp.

    The teachers would absolutely advocate getting the students out of there when they have no stake in the winner or loser of the battle; particularly if they’re aware of the firepower that’s sitting outside.

    Hogwarts magical defenses against teleporting and such appear to be very specific in what they block. I don’t think EC would stretch it to catch all the methods Team 2 can use to get in.

  43. itcheyness November 7, 2014 at 7:40 pm -      #43

    Sorry for the late arrival! I got held up at work.

    We’re using Pre-Schrodinger Alucard for this match.

    Any other questions?

  44. Numinous One November 7, 2014 at 10:25 pm -      #44

    “I don’t know the others off the top of my head, but I imagine, the Bleach and Naruto characters can probably break through from what I know of their series”

    Well I would say Kakashi could Kamui large portions of the castle away if needed, but then I remembered he no longer has the Sharingan.
    Kenpachi on the other hand.
    www.mangapanda.com/bleach/576/18
    www.mangapanda.com/bleach/578/3
    vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Kenpachi's_meteor_feat
    Ignore the calc, there’s a few errors there. Scroll down the page about 3/4 for a rough scaling of the meteor’s size.

    So with Kenpachi’s speed and Bankai’s destructive capabilities, I’m inclined to say he could blitz.

  45. Friendlysociopath November 7, 2014 at 10:51 pm -      #45

    “So with Kenpachi’s speed and Bankai’s destructive capabilities, I’m inclined to say he could blitz.”

    O_O
    Yep, staff is definitely evacuating the kids from the school. Unless OP forces them to stay- which would just be cruel.
    Does Team 1 have anyone who can deal with that?

    PS: I now no longer have any interest in suggesting Sora vs Ichigo… cause damn the Bleach crowd throws out high end feats.

  46. Malenfant November 7, 2014 at 11:07 pm -      #46

    Who on team two can deal with Lancer’s Gae Bolg?

  47. Numinous One November 7, 2014 at 11:14 pm -      #47

    “Who on team two can deal with Lancer’s Gae Bolg?”

    Given it only works on living beings, probably Kain and Alucard since they’re undead.
    Also didn’t Saber block it? So anyone faster than her I would assume.

  48. Shgon Dunstan November 7, 2014 at 11:36 pm -      #48

    @Friendlysociopath
    “I don’t know anything about Inuyashi, and Kharn… I just don’t know about Kharn.”

    I don’t know Kjarn ether, but InuYasha would be more then capable of busting down the walls… And he’s one of the weaker characters in team two.

    Though to be fair, “weaker” in this case has more to do with the fact that any of the others, and most of those on team one, are all a lot faster then him, and could likely kill him before he could do anything about it.

    Still, his sword does have an ability that sends anything it hits directly to the afterlife. Do not pass Go. Do not collect two hundred dollars.

    Would likely be useful if anyone on team one needs Hax to actually kill, someone else will likely just need to immobilize them first, so he does pull his own weight on the team.

    Kakashi… Without the eye of BFR, and with so many heavy hitters making sneaking around unneeded… The Sixth Hokage is kind of just limited to giving the running commentary for the battle… Much like he was for most of the fight against Kaguya.

  49. Friendlysociopath November 7, 2014 at 11:39 pm -      #49

    “Who on team two can deal with Lancer’s Gae Bolg?”

    Well, Kharn has whatever Chaos God blessing BS that people love spouting about him that makes him unkillable, and Sora has a shield that blocks everything it’s gone up against. Plus if you only need speed I imagine a good chunk of Team 2 can actually deal with it.
    BTW Which season of Fate/Stay/confusing title is that Berserker video from? It looks way more interesting than the one my brother was watching.

    I don’t remember Jiro being that impressive, but I didn’t finish his anime- what can he do? As far as I remember he had some telekinesis and stops bullets with it. Along with general vampire speed, strength, regen and that sort of jazz.

    It’s a shame we never canonically see Sephiroth actually giving a shit about winning; every time we see him doing anything the producers say “Oh, don’t worry, he’s not trying very hard- he’s stronger than that”.
    I like FF7, but fans elevated it too high and that backfired in nasty ways.

  50. Rookie November 7, 2014 at 11:55 pm -      #50

    @Friendlysociopath

    “BTW Which season of Fate/Stay/confusing title is that Berserker video from? It looks way more interesting than the one my brother was watching.”

    AFAIK it’s remake of the original.

    Alucard vs Rip Van Winkle:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q36BXG0yWU

  51. Shgon Dunstan November 7, 2014 at 11:59 pm -      #51

    @Numinous One
    “So with Kenpachi’s speed and Bankai’s destructive capabilities, I’m inclined to say he could blitz.”

    That was his Shikai, we haven’t seen his Bankai yet.

  52. Numinous One November 8, 2014 at 12:04 am -      #52

    “That was his Shikai, we haven’t seen his Bankai yet.”

    Well shit, wonder what he’ll be capable of when he finally gets it.
    I don’t really keep up with Bleach to be honest, I thought his sword stayed in its released state, the same as Ichigo’s did.
    Ah well, more room for him to improve I guess.

  53. Skalkorik13 November 8, 2014 at 12:05 am -      #53

    Aside from Kharn being almost unkillable … Doesnt he still have that antimagic thing going on … If so … that would be great use against Hogwarts students and teachers … and a few of team 1

  54. Shgon Dunstan November 8, 2014 at 12:13 am -      #54

    @Numinous One
    “Well shit, wonder what he’ll be capable of when he finally gets it.
    I don’t really keep up with Bleach to be honest, I thought his sword stayed in its released state, the same as Ichigo’s did.
    Ah well, more room for him to improve I guess.”

    Even if that was the case, the fact that he didn’t know it’s name would mean that it’s power would be a pale shadow of itself, at beast.

    Zanpakutō can be bitchy little divas when they want to be, often going so far as giving fake names if they don’t feel the Soul Reaper has passed some hurdle or another. Like how the “takes hundreds of years to master Bankai” thing is as much because they just flat out wont stand for it being any quicker.

  55. Neon Lord November 8, 2014 at 1:53 am -      #55

    “Still, his sword does have an ability that sends anything it hits directly to the afterlife. Do not pass Go. Do not collect two hundred dollars.”

    His chainaxe is just really sharp, and once belonged to Angron. There’s nothing magical or otherwise special about it.

    “Aside from Kharn being almost unkillable …”

    He’s not. He’s as tough as any beserker Space Marine+an anti-magic shield.

  56. Rookie November 8, 2014 at 2:28 am -      #56

    @Neon Lord

    “His chainaxe is just really sharp, and once belonged to Angron. There’s nothing magical or otherwise special about it.”

    Dunno if this is canon, but in novel it was stated that since this axe was used to kill so many living things that now axe is a gateway to Khorne’s stomach. Axe gained 1) the ability to consume any non-Khornate daemons (if Kharn kills or deal finishing blow to them with axe) and 2) souls of weak-willed people can be sucked inside the axe, should they look at the axe. But since a normal slave was able to look at the axe and not be sucked in, I assume that you need to be reallyyyy weak-willed to lost your soul to the axe.

  57. Neon Lord November 8, 2014 at 3:05 am -      #57

    “Dunno if this is canon, but in novel it was stated that since this axe was used to kill so many living things that now axe is a gateway to Khorne’s stomach. Axe gained 1) the ability to consume any non-Khornate daemons (if Kharn kills or deal finishing blow to them with axe) and 2) souls of weak-willed people can be sucked inside the axe, should they look at the axe. But since a normal slave was able to look at the axe and not be sucked in, I assume that you need to be reallyyyy weak-willed to lost your soul to the axe.”

    What shiny new book is this?

  58. Shgon Dunstan November 8, 2014 at 3:12 am -      #58

    @Neon Lord
    “His chainaxe is just really sharp, and once belonged to Angron. There’s nothing magical or otherwise special about it.”

    …-_-;

    I don’t know Kjarn ether, but InuYasha“.

    Wasn’t talking about Kjarn, much less Kharn. 😕

    Edit:And it looks like the other guys name is Kain anyway…

  59. Rookie November 8, 2014 at 3:21 am -      #59

    @Neon Lord

    “What shiny new book is this?”

    It’s from the short stories. Probably “Chosen of Khorne” or something like this. I’l see if I still have the novel for exact quote.

  60. Kitten Lord November 8, 2014 at 5:04 am -      #60

    So can anyone summarise the two teams? I dont know anime, and a lot of them are anime. Basically, what can each team do overall? Who has the biggest end feats? So far based on some of the vids I am leaning Team 2 but Team 1 must have something.

    I heard team 1 has a lot of hax? Couldnt this just circumvent Team 2’s power output and Dante has time powers right? Decent speed etc. Thats all I know other than Kratos who, tbh as usual just does not peak my interest 😀 ,

  61. Rookie November 8, 2014 at 6:17 am -      #61

    @Kitten Lord

    “So can anyone summarise the two teams?”

    Kain and Kharn are non-factors here. Way too slow and not durable enough. They can kill Harry, they just can’t reach him. Even Sephiroth can take them down. So +2 to team 1.
    Berserker is stupid so he will charge straight ahead. You need 12 differents weapons or magics to kill him, but frankly everybody on team 1 can keep up with him and alsmost everybody have several weapons. So he is dead. +3 to team 1.
    Nobody stated that this is jenova (jenova is a separate character and all of S true powers comes from her) Sephiroth here, so it is his soldier version. Which means that Blackbeard is the strongest guy around. He likes to take hits from the enemy, but luckly for him no one in team 1 can lol-stomp him here.
    Now I don’t know Skulduggery Pleasant and Harry too well, but if they have some soul rape\ignoring durability, mind rape hax they can take him out. Otherwise he is a living darkness, logia onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Logia + element of quakes (powerful enough to destroy the world according to rumors and casual island buster from that we saw).
    Kenpachi destroyed a meteor in one hit so again no one in team 1 can beat him in straight fight. You need hax.
    Nobody stated that we use not current version of Kakashi and now is too late to change that. Currently he is an old guy without a powers, so he won’t do much. +4 to team 1.
    So if team 1 can take down B and K, they are pretty much won here, since at least 3 of the team 2 members can’t do much here.

  62. Kitten Lord November 8, 2014 at 6:36 am -      #62

    @Rookie

    “Kain and Kharn are non-factors here. Way too slow and not durable enough.”

    I would wager Kain is the most durable entity in the thread by a margin and time hax and teleportation should take care of speed. He can probably also one shot anyone on Team 1, he just has to land a hit, hence why drinking the blood of his team would help them out considerably, gaining their speed and their own power.

    “So if team 1 can take down B and K, ”

    Couldnt Dante face them down? You said Blackbeard likes to take hits from the enemy. If this is the case couldnt Kratos draw his soul out, I dont know most on Team 1 but I know Dante does not have great soul attacks, and Kratos’ is pretty basic.

    Do Team 1 have mind contorl?

  63. Rookie November 8, 2014 at 7:47 am -      #63

    @Kitten Lord

    “Do Team 1 have mind contorl?”

    ” You said Blackbeard likes to take hits from the enemy. If this is the case couldnt Kratos draw his soul out”

    Kratos needs to beat his enemy first and Blackbeard did this when he used Gura Gura (quake element) for first time:
    i5.mangapanda.com/one-piece/577/one-piece-1232509.jpg
    i1.mangapanda.com/one-piece/577/one-piece-1232510.jpg
    i8.mangapanda.com/one-piece/578/one-piece-1242551.jpg
    i37.mangapanda.com/one-piece/579/one-piece-1263519.jpg
    He had zero knowledge about how Gura works. Now after time skip he should know way more.

    “Do Team 1 have mind contorl?”

    I do not know about Harry, Skul and Jiro, but others do not have mind control.

  64. Kitten Lord November 8, 2014 at 8:13 am -      #64

    @Rookie

    “Kratos needs to beat his enemy first”

    i dont recall that being an element of the hades claws. From the game I recall they just hooked onto your soul and pulled it out, there is some struggle that looks kind of physical. How strong is blackbeard physically?

    “He had zero knowledge about how Gura works. Now after time skip he should know way more.”

    I dont know how it works, so whats “way more”? I mean, a earthquake that can consume what looks like a castle esque city is all well and good but humans can survive earthquakes. Hes going to need more than that to defeat Team 1.

    Also all this seemed to have a build up, its fine if enemies are standing around watching him but if Kratos gets in close with those claws, he could be in trouble. Whats his own “tank” like? what can he survive? Couldnt Dante slice him?

    Also isnt that scene the same one you posted at #40?

    “I do not know about Harry,”

    Cant harry perform Imperio?

  65. Rookie November 8, 2014 at 8:37 am -      #65

    @Kitten Lord

    “How strong is blackbeard physically? ”

    Unknown, but he fodderized Luffy rather easily without using any of his logia powers. Luffy can wield giant ball made of gold and this not slow him down at all (he have better feats, but One Piece is huge manga and I just don’t remeber where they are exactly):
    i21.mangapanda.com/one-piece/298/one-piece-60911.jpg
    i37.mangapanda.com/one-piece/298/one-piece-60913.jpg

    “I dont know how it works, so whats “way more”? I mean, a earthquake that can consume what looks like a castle esque city is all well and good but humans can survive earthquakes. Hes going to need more than that to defeat Team 1. ”

    “Also isnt that scene the same one you posted at #40? ”

    I believe that video lacked castle moving and darkness eating peoples things. Could be wrong.

    BB quakes can also damage humans directly.
    On the first image you can see that he also can suck enemies into his darkness.
    As for quakes, for example here’s how sick and old Whitebeard was able to use them (from 1:46):

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9PWpaID480

  66. Rookie November 8, 2014 at 8:59 am -      #66

    @Kitten Lord

    “Cant harry perform Imperio?”

    No idea.

    Blackbeard vs Whitebeard (in manga Whitebeard also lost half of his head: i22.mangapanda.com/one-piece/575/one-piece-1210396.jpg before that battle) form 3:40 Blackbeard cancel WB ability:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-aGAkS5WHw

  67. Kitten Lord November 8, 2014 at 9:00 am -      #67

    @Rookie

    “I believe that video lacked castle moving and darkness eating peoples things. Could be wrong.”

    Think that one was posted earlier too. I watched the next part to your video, the one where Fleet Admiral (big golden dude with an Athro? I mean wth is up with some of these character designs? :lol:) and Blackbeard seemed pretty breathless just by being launched through the floor by a shock wave from him.

    “As for quakes, for example here’s how sick and old Whitebeard was able to use them (from 1:46):”

    Is blackbeard as experienced as White beard though? Also, he seemed to create some sort of centralized bubble of force around the guys head which was good, but it does not seem as powerful as the larger ones, maybe smaller uses of it end in less power, while the big outputs lack accuracy to hit single targets but do overall more damage?

    One thing these all have in common though is their time build up, most of Whitebeards best feats in that vid seemed to consist of him concentrating for a few seconds at least.

    I wonder how he would deal with say, Dante quicksilvering and then just blitzing up behind him, maybe while hes distracted by the others and then attacking.

    If they can react to it though most of Team 1 probably cant smash through their “shields” they project but their physical flesh, I need some more info on them taking wounds to the body, I mean that guy (his son) pierced whitebeard in close combat with a sword, so I imagine Kratos, Dante etc if in close combat would be able to do so as well.

    Edit. Did not get to see your second post. So ill watch those vids too, did not know BB fought WB. So is BB before I watch it superior to WB or? I mean a lot of the characters seem to speak highly of WB but not of BB. Fleet Admiral for example calls BB a punk.

    Also apparently their attacks seem to do more damage to the area htan the people their attacking.

  68. Rookie November 8, 2014 at 9:18 am -      #68

    @Kitten Lord

    “Is blackbeard as experienced as White beard though?”

    That’s the problem. We don’t know. BB become one of the 4 most important peoples in pirate world (and you can’t became one without ability to fight). BB also have several years to train. But we haven’t seen him since time-skip. We don’t know what he can do now or what kind of abilities he now have.

    “One thing these all have in common though is their time build up”

    In manga they are almost instantly. Anime just draws them longer for effects.

  69. Kitten Lord November 8, 2014 at 9:24 am -      #69

    Based on the vids I cant say they can fight people like say, Dante. I mean hes a casual bullet timer without quicksilver, uses a blade and has great strength, equel if not greater than what I have seen so far from Bleach. And those characters, even WB can be pierced by old flintlock pistols, I dont know where he got those two huge holes in his chest as well.

    I think, their “AOE” power output aside, which would be less useful agaisnt single, fast/durable people like Dante or even Sephiroth (who can teleport) they seem to have very mortal bodies.

    If given time BB could topple hogwarts assuming someone like Dresden cant counter his magic. Course, hogwarts is just the battleground, collapsing a castle is hardly going to kill anyone onTeam 1 (the ones I know). They have been hit from worse.

    Other than BB who else is a heavy hitter with a large power output from team 2? Please some more info on Kenpachi? Any vids? I quite like watching the anime for Bleach even though I am not an anime/manga sort of person.

  70. Rookie November 8, 2014 at 9:28 am -      #70

    @Kitten Lord

    “Edit. Did not get to see your second post. So ill watch those vids too, did not know BB fought WB. So is BB before I watch it superior to WB or? I mean a lot of the characters seem to speak highly of WB but not of BB. Fleet Admiral for example calls BB a punk.

    Also apparently their attacks seem to do more damage to the area htan the people their attacking.”

    At that point of the story BB was weaker. WB was strongest men in the world, World Government made this hole trap just to kill him. BB always kept low profile, up untill the point when he obtained darkness and quakes powers. Not many peoples even knew that he was dangerous or if he can fight at all.
    WB used all his remaining power to hit BB body directly (this is why damage to local area is so small) and shortly after this BB was able to move and fight as if nothing happened. BB “build” his body to be a”tank” in terms of durability, it worked great for his goals.

  71. Rookie November 8, 2014 at 9:32 am -      #71

    @Kitten Lord

    “Any vids?”

    Nah, Bleach anime stopped. But Kenpachi lately beat reality warper and obtained shikai. If you could please read from here till the end of the fight, cause there is a lot of feats in this fight:
    www.mangapanda.com/bleach/574/3

    Also try to give a try to this story someday, you may like this: read.egscans.com/Feng_Shen_Ji

  72. Kitten Lord November 8, 2014 at 9:42 am -      #72

    Pretty cool, I think that girl would be deadlier in this fight. Then again she talks a lot, and is young. Some people here are no nonsense or are fast enough that they can afford nonsense.

    So how would they counter Dantes quicksilver? These big guys? Unless this is new-dante who does not have it, in which case I suppose hes still fairly quick.

    Also doesnt Dresden have like a really powerful gun?

  73. Rookie November 8, 2014 at 9:51 am -      #73

    @Kitten Lord

    “Unless this is new-dante who does not have it, in which case I suppose hes still fairly quick. ”

    New Dante is current version of Dante, right? Unless it was stated before we will use him, right?

    “Also doesnt Dresden have like a really powerful gun?”

    From what I understood in this thread:
    factpile.com/10163-gromph-baenre-lichdrow-dyrr-vs-harry-dresden-ganondorf/
    His gun is not exactly impressive here.
    But again, I do not know much about him.

  74. wingedlion November 8, 2014 at 10:18 am -      #74

    “Given it only works on living beings, probably Kain and Alucard since they’re undead.”

    where did you get that idea?
    it doesn’t work on inanimate objects (like a chair or desk) but that’s it.

    “Also didn’t Saber block it? So anyone faster than her I would assume.”

    saber dodged it, not blocked it. and that was only because she literally has magical luck.
    you can’t block or dodge gea bolg through normal means, since gea bolg is literally the reverse of causality. it reverses cause and effect so that the spear will always end up in your heart. that’s not something you can dodge.

    “Berserker is stupid so he will charge straight ahead. You need 12 differents weapons or magics to kill him, but frankly everybody on team 1 can keep up with him and alsmost everybody have several weapons. So he is dead. +3 to team 1.”

    Several problems with this:
    1. I only see 3 people on team 1 that have multiple weapons (admittedly i know nothing about Jiro or Skulldegeary Pleasent, so forgive my ignorance if they have some as well) and of those three people, one of them (Kratos) is already to slow to do anything to Berserker. So that just leaves Dante and Ryu. which leads to my next point…

    2. God hand doesn’t just give Berserker 12 different lives, its also a conceptual defense that negates anything that isn’t an A-ranked attack or higher. This has absolutely nothing to do with power or damage, since a C-ranked noble phantasm is equal to an A-ranked attack and yet invisible air, which is a C-ranked attack, cannot hurt Berserker while A-ranked spells actually can. Its a case by case basis, so unless Dante and Ryu’s weapons can be considered A-ranked, its not doing anything. In fact, besides the Dragon Sword and the Sword of the Archfeind (which i’m still not sure would actually hurt him), none of Ryu’s weapons are magical or special in any way. so that kind of just leaves Dante.

    3. While Berserker will just charge in, he’s not actually stupid, well not really. Berserker has eye of mind, a sixth sense that warns him of danger. This means that you can’t fool him in battle with tricks, cause he’ll know. Eye of mind also allows him to know when an attack is dangerous to him. This was shown in his first fight against saber and archer, where despite Berserker charging through all of archer’s arrows as they did no damage, he was able to tell that cadabolg was dangerous to him even though it looked exactly like all the other arrows he ignored, and proceeded to block it.
    So basically, Berserker will know when something is dangerous to him, and will act accordingly.

  75. Kitten Lord November 8, 2014 at 10:20 am -      #75

    not sure, I personally think its hard to discern which Dante people mean nowadays. Most people afaik think of the old dante when you put him in a thread but that could just be my own idea, the new Dante is kind of….much weaker, less well known by comparison.

    If it is him though, hes a lot weaker than old Dante.

    “But again, I do not know much about him”

    Just from what I have heard its a high powered magnum that he can amp with his magic for various effects. I think that should be enough to pierce BB if swords and flintlocks can pierce WB. WB did also slice into BB with fair ease using his glaive thing, can BB tank bullets?

  76. wingedlion November 8, 2014 at 10:21 am -      #76

    “New Dante is current version of Dante, right? Unless it was stated before we will use him, right?”

    I don’t think it works that way, since new Dante is just an alternate version of Dante.
    Then again i’m not completely sure.

  77. Kitten Lord November 8, 2014 at 10:39 am -      #77

    So is anyone on Team 1 completely immune to mind powers. Controls for example? I know Dante and Kratos have little solid and I dont think Sephiroth has canonically had anyone launch a mind attack against him. That just leaves a ton of mostly anime characetrs that i dont know about.

    Can Team 1 even kill immortals?

  78. wingedlion November 8, 2014 at 10:41 am -      #78

    “Can Team 1 even kill immortals?”

    Lancer can. Gea Bolg negates regen.

  79. Friendlysociopath November 8, 2014 at 10:50 am -      #79

    BankGambling rules state battle-ready incarnation, so Kakashi isn’t an old guy with no power. I have no idea where from the series you’d find his battle-ready incarnation but that’s what is needed here.

    I feel like Kain’s getting the shaft here; he’s not that bad in a fight. He’s not the fastest guy but he goes fast enough to lose track of him with certain attacks. He’s got:
    Soul-fuckery
    He telekinetically can absorb blood from enemies
    He can inspire his enemies to hate one another to the point of killing
    He has a shield that will reflect all hostile magic for a short time
    He can stop enemies in time
    Mind control
    and if he comes across a bit of blood he absorbs new powers, assuming Alucard lets him have a bit, maybe they could Rock Paper Scissors for it?

    To clear up some confusion, the Harry in the match is Harry Dresden, not Harry Potter. Potter might be among the schoolchildren, but I fully believe the Hogwarts teachers would evacuate the students. One normal serial killer running around damn near made them close the school; during Book 2 they actually were closing the school towards the end.

    As far as I know nobody has ever bothered trying to mind control Sephiroth. He’s featless for that.

  80. wingedlion November 8, 2014 at 10:53 am -      #80

    “He can stop enemies in time”

    I swore it was only a time slow.
    Though now that you mention it, Sora has a time stop. Does anyone on team 1 have resistances to time stops?

  81. Kitten Lord November 8, 2014 at 11:09 am -      #81

    @Friendly

    “assuming Alucard lets him have a bit, maybe they could Rock Paper Scissors for it?”

    Kain drains blood from distance through TK and can do an AoE that drains it from all around him magically so he will probably devour blood from both friend and foe by accident. Making him an “omni-character” of all the characters in the match eventually.

    @Wing

    “I swore it was only a time slow.”

    He has an AoE time slow that works within 10-20 meters or so around him. Which for a guy with teleportation would wreck anyone or a group, then he has a single target time stop. Which freezes time on a single enemy.

    Plus his strikes sort of freeze people in time as well. not that anyone culd survive a hit from the reaver.

    Considering everyone on Team 1 is likely pre-occuplied with the battlefield spanning AoE, explosions and what not from BB and other Team 2 characters, Kain less obvious impact yet no less powerful is likely to be in its element.

    Also his attacks thanks to the Dimension emblem “mirror” to nearby opponents, so he could essentially hit the whole of Team 2 just by say, hitting Kratos (since its not like hes going to dodge it) if their within a few meters or so.

  82. wingedlion November 8, 2014 at 11:19 am -      #82

    “Also his attacks thanks to the Dimension emblem “mirror” to nearby opponents, so he could essentially hit the whole of Team 2 just by say, hitting Kratos (since its not like hes going to dodge it) if their within a few meters or so.”

    I’m a bit confused. How does that work?

  83. Kitten Lord November 8, 2014 at 11:31 am -      #83

    He has to hit someone with his sword, and it will be reflected onto everyone within 5-10 meters or so.

    So if Kain say, dimensional teleport blitzes, appears next to Kratos and hits him while Dante, Sephiroth, etc etc are walking/running around in the vicinity it would hit them as soon as it hits Kratos as if Kain had landed a strike on them as well.

  84. wingedlion November 8, 2014 at 11:36 am -      #84

    Really? I thought the dimension reaver worked by having kain constantly using his teleportation to repeatedly attack different enemies in the vicinity, kind of like a teleport blitz.

  85. Kitten Lord November 8, 2014 at 11:39 am -      #85

    That was its activated reaver spell, its passive was the dimensional reflection. Each of Kains emblems gave the reaver a passive, non activated effect. The time emblem made people struck move in slow motion for example, lightning fired a chained lightning effect, and the flame reaver set people on fire.

    Course your right there was an activated spell for each of those as well.

    Fire–>Conflict AOE, or inspire hate makes everyone nearby kill their friends/allies.

    Time- AoE time slow bubble.

    Dimension- Reaver teleport blitz you mentioned.

    Lightning, all surrounding enemies are struck by lightning bolts…

    As you can imagine, anyone hit by the reaver is going to be going through a lot of elemental effects aside from being carved by a fairly strong/powerful vampire and having their soul devoured/spun in the wheel of fate.

    Oh and being disintegrated.

    The reaver can also deactivate magic barriers/shields as well. So if anyone relies on a shield or barrier for protection may be in for a world of hurt.

  86. wingedlion November 8, 2014 at 11:49 am -      #86

    Ah, ok. Yeah that could be deadly, especially if he targets Kratos.

  87. Kitten Lord November 8, 2014 at 11:53 am -      #87

    If anything Kratos is a liability, some of the other characters on team 1 may be able to dodge or avoid Kain but Kratos, not really. If the others on team 2 can use abilities to bring Team 1 within 10 meters of him, then Kain teleports in the middle of them with his time AoE activated, he just strikes Kratos and the whole of Team 1 disintegrate soulless to the ground.

  88. wingedlion November 8, 2014 at 11:59 am -      #88

    “If anything Kratos is a liability,”

    Why am i not surprised.

  89. Amm0vamp1r3 November 8, 2014 at 12:03 pm -      #89

    @KittenLord

    “Kain drains blood from distance through TK and can do an AoE that drains it from all around him magically so he will probably devour blood from both friend and foe by accident. Making him an “omni-character” of all the characters in the match eventually. ”

    Alucard has that same ability and I would argue his has a wider range

    @Debate

    This interesting, ofcourse the only people I know well are the vampires and of the vampires I don’t think jiro (who is the weakest of the vampires but still capable) has had enough rep)

    he can casually catch bullets (19:10)

    can control people (19:30)

    Group Mind control (21:47)
    www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iiAdSucbdPE#t=1079s

  90. Amm0vamp1r3 November 8, 2014 at 12:16 pm -      #90

    Also to add to that, the whole first fight has pretty impressive feats like TK crushing a tank while holding two of its fired shells at bay

    starts at 4:25

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLgduj6qA3M

  91. Kitten Lord November 8, 2014 at 12:35 pm -      #91

    @Ammo

    “Alucard has that same ability and I would argue his has a wider range”

    What range is it? Also, Alucard has more trouble gaining new powers because he cant have more than one soul in him now. He can only be Schrodinger or fear losing himself.

    Also he seems to like licking/drinking blood normally, based on the videos I have seen of him in here so far. Kain also as shown can force blood from his enemies, tking it from inside their bodies to him, even en-mass ala blood shower. He may do it to his allies even, on purpose or accident. Its not like it would kill them to lose a little blood.

    Also


    “Also to add to that, the whole first fight has pretty impressive feats like TK crushing a tank while holding two of its fired shells at bay”

    Yet to watch the vid but this sounds cool, alongside BB’s massive ranged powers, Kains triple digit ton TK gestures and this, surely theres going to be a lot of mental powers between the combatants.

  92. Amm0vamp1r3 November 8, 2014 at 12:43 pm -      #92

    “What range is it? Also, Alucard has more trouble gaining new powers because he cant have more than one soul in him now. He can only be Schrodinger or fear losing himself.
    Also he seems to like licking/drinking blood normally, based on the videos I have seen of him in here so far. Kain also as shown can force blood from his enemies, tking it from inside their bodies to him, even en-mass ala blood shower.”

    He has shown multiple city block to city level blood draining range as shown in the following video where schrodinger cuts his own head off and falls into the river of blood that leads into Alucard

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1IG4CvQkiI

  93. Amm0vamp1r3 November 8, 2014 at 12:49 pm -      #93

    This one shows the entire scene if you wish to watch it, 6:40

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5wlXzeUlRE

  94. Kitten Lord November 8, 2014 at 1:04 pm -      #94

    @Ammo

    “He has shown multiple city block to city level blood draining range”

    Wheres that blood coming from? its hard to tell in Helsing anime what is Alucard and what is blood sometimes because it has a similiar colour, that weird “energy” version of Alucard when he becomes a ton of eyes for example has a similiar colour.

    Also where did so much blood come from? 😆

    It seems no faster than Kains despite being greater range so if Kain is in front of the source of blood or if he goes for a meal first its no great loss. Course he could just take from Alucard. Would Schrodinger Alucard even risk drinking blood?

  95. wingedlion November 8, 2014 at 1:13 pm -      #95

    “Wheres that blood coming from?”

    From the streets littered with the bodies of soldiers who died in the battle of London.

    “Would Schrodinger Alucard even risk drinking blood?”

    Unless he wants to disappear again, i doubt it.

  96. Kitten Lord November 8, 2014 at 1:17 pm -      #96

    From the end of that vid, its implied he drank the blood of that women. So surely, since he seems to have some sort of positive relation with her, drinking from her may not also remove her soul/add it to him so he can still drink without taking souls?

    Confusing to say the least.

    “From the streets littered with the bodies of soldiers who died in the battle of London.”

    I see, he also seems to be a part of it, as if hes stretched himself out to collect the blood rather than calling iit by itself through TK like kain does.

    It also all disappears when he does. Leaving little more than a small mark.

    I wonder if Jiro can influence Alucard into forgetting/losing sight of himself.

  97. Amm0vamp1r3 November 8, 2014 at 1:26 pm -      #97

    “Wheres that blood coming from?”

    This was directly after the big war so that’s the blood of the the vampires, the Iscariot , the random civilian casualties etc

    “its hard to tell in Helsing anime what is Alucard and what is blood sometimes because it has a similiar colour, that weird “energy” version of Alucard when he becomes a ton of eyes for example has a similiar colour.”

    Actually if you look at it you can see a difference, the blood is a thick red while alucards dark energy is more blackish orange, with eyes. And with his recent expenditure of souls he was unable to manifest that dark energy

    “Also where did so much blood come from? 😆 ”

    The mass slaughter that took place when the Nazis first showed up, as wingedlion said

    “It seems no faster than Kains despite being greater range so if Kain is in front of the source of blood or if he goes for a meal first its no great loss”

    Yeah depends on who goes for a snack first, then again if Kain wants new powers wouldn’t he have to do that ritual?

    9:20

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghu3aqBJ8m0

    “Course he could just take from Alucard”

    I could see that causing in issue amongst the ranks lol

    “Alucard even risk drinking blood?”

    I was going to bring it up but you already did lol but as seen at the end he did drink blood from Integra, which shows he can ingest blood without taking a soul but then again integra wasn’t dead so I don’t really know

  98. Kitten Lord November 8, 2014 at 1:31 pm -      #98

    @Ammo

    “Yeah depends on who goes for a snack first, then again if Kain wants new powers wouldn’t he have to do that ritual?”

    I think that was a visual thing for players, in the storyline he drinks from the Hylden witch and the builder and gains their qualities just by drinking. Kain was never a “soul eater” himself.

  99. wingedlion November 8, 2014 at 1:35 pm -      #99

    “I see, he also seems to be a part of it, as if hes stretched himself out to collect the blood rather than calling iit by itself through TK like kain does.”

    where do you see that?
    cause i see blood clearly coming out of the soldier’s bodies and moving straight to alucard.

  100. Kitten Lord November 8, 2014 at 1:39 pm -      #100

    @Wing

    4 seconds in, Ammos vid at post #32, the blood has Alucards “magic” hue sparking out of it. Thats what it looks like to me anyway. The same energy that comes out of him when he transforms.

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