Star Wars Vs Warhammer 40K, Halo & Star Trek

Star Wars Vs Warhammer 40K, Halo & Star Trek

Suggested by Commander Farsight

Composite Star Wars has a Wormhole 1,000 km in diameter, connecting to 40k‘s galaxy. Halo and Star Trek‘s galaxies are connected to 40k’s by identical wormholes.

Each Wormhole is stationed at each galaxies’ capital. (Coruscant, Terra, and both Earths.)

They have two months to share tech, colonize any spare worlds.

No Gods, Omnipotents, excluding the Chaos Gods. Chaos can still corrupt Star Wars.

Which side wins?

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636 Comments on "Star Wars Vs Warhammer 40K, Halo & Star Trek"

  1. the watcher November 11, 2014 at 6:37 am -      #1

    This would be better as an FFA. Mostly because the only thing that made 40k lose to SW last time was a lack of FTL quick enough to get their absurdly OP stuff to the places it was actually needed at.

  2. Rookie November 11, 2014 at 6:45 am -      #2

    I feel like this is overkill…

  3. Darth Bombad November 11, 2014 at 6:45 am -      #3

    Warhammer was never really OP, just heavily wanked kinda like HALO.
    By the way are team two current only or composite like Star Wars?.
    If so then Star Trek is the main concern, i’ll wait to see what others say.

  4. the watcher November 11, 2014 at 6:49 am -      #4

    Wanked to a certain degree is definitely true, but that’s mostly for space combat. I’ve read enough of it to say for sure that what they mention about space marines, half of that is true. I’ll look for an example where an unarmored alpha legionnaire who’s trying not to blow his cover tears through a couple dozen augmented humans with a damaged, non powered sword. Then again, he later punched it through an armored chaos marine and out the pack, so that one might have actually been Alpharius.

  5. Jake_Uzumaki November 11, 2014 at 7:44 am -      #5

    Okay so Warhammer Halo and Trek are all connected by wormholes, but there is only one wormhole to Star Wars and that’s through the Warhammer Galaxy? So team 2 is going to have to fight through a chokepoint against a composite Star Wars that includes World Devastators Death Stars Palpatine and his Force Storms, the Sun Crusher, the Galaxy Gun and every other single super weapon thrown together in Star Wars…which can be used to defend said chokepoint?
    I don’t know if Composite Star Wars can push to the other galaxies but I feel safe in saying they hold that chokepoint against these three.

  6. the watcher November 11, 2014 at 7:54 am -      #6

    I can agree with that. Stalemate, if only because no one can get through the portal without being killed?

  7. Pizzarolla November 11, 2014 at 8:04 am -      #7

    Very cool. One of the most interesting matches (in my own opinion) that I’ve seen in a long time. I really can’t say who will win. I have seen all the starwars movies, but I haven’t read any books or any other canon.

    I’ve read a ton of Warhammer stuff, but since I don’t know what Starwars will bring to the table, I can’t really say what they have that will win.

    I’ll just try to rebutt against whatever is said about Starwars.

    Also, space marines really are fucking awesome. Just a small squad of them could probably take on any standing army in the world (real world).

  8. Jake_Uzumaki November 11, 2014 at 8:09 am -      #8

    Well presumably both sides will be building forces as time goes on, the problem will be Star Wars can afford to play the waiting game as the World Devastators can clean up after each battle to produce more ships in vast quantities, all ship yards can get cranked to max, and cloning facilities can be cranked to max.

    Plus a lot of the strategies used in GE vs IoM can come into play like Ysalmiri clone spam to cancel out Psyker powers when needed (or at least to keep capital ships protected from them possibly fighters too).
    Technically we could get into ground combat but I feel like that’s not going to be much of an issue unless something breaks the stalemate.

    Granted I’m somewhat assuming that Composite means the EU in play.

  9. Jake_Uzumaki November 11, 2014 at 8:15 am -      #9

    Lets not bring up Space Marines vs Real World again….that happened sort of once.

  10. Kitten Lord November 11, 2014 at 8:20 am -      #10

    Just a note on the logistics game, but surely 3 whole universes worth will be able to eventually overcome the tar wars resources of only one universe? So if they were sending forces into that “blockade” made by Star wars for say, billions to the power of trillions of years until Star wars resources dwindled.

    Theres only so much once can build in a given time, and as for World Devastators, I imagine they would be targeted first. What about the projectiles and what not for the Star wars galaxy gun? And the suncrusher? Dont they use some form of projectile that uses resources?

  11. Kara Zor-El November 11, 2014 at 8:21 am -      #11

    Is it just composite SW, or composite all? Or is it latest incarnation for Trek, Halo and 40K? But seeing as Trek has already beaten and gotten a FPA over SW I’m confident team 2 can take it. Might be a slightly harder fight, but not impossible.
    _
    Also judging by the… Ambassador Class pic, it’s base Trek, not Reboot?

  12. the watcher November 11, 2014 at 8:33 am -      #12

    @Kara
    Or Admin just grabbed the nearest ST pic he could find.

    @Kitten
    That would work, but if SW surrounds the wormhole they might be able to target and destroy incoming ships before incoming ships can target and destroy them. Necrons rushing in with a world engine would tear through a blockade unless it includes the galaxy gun and the sun crusher. The death star probably couldn’t though, because it’s relatively weak and the world engine has some really good defences.

  13. Shgon Dunstan November 11, 2014 at 8:36 am -      #13

    …Didn’t ST get Awarded already Vs oCanon, much less nCanon, SW?

    And now we have a weaker SW Vs ST and friends?

    …I’m sure they do just fine. :roll:

    And of note, even trying to choke off the wormhole only plays into 40K’s hands, as the OP says.

    “Chaos can still corrupt Star Wars.”

    …Yeah. Which of course means that pretty much all Sith are traitors in the making. Which is kind of a big deal for SW. 😕

  14. Jake_Uzumaki November 11, 2014 at 8:41 am -      #14

    “World Devastators, I imagine they would be targeted first.”

    that would imply they are immediately recognized for what they are before they have time to do anything. Plus they have two months to play with beforehand and can eat Star Destroyers. Not exactly small.

  15. Jake_Uzumaki November 11, 2014 at 8:46 am -      #15

    That said I think we need to wait for the OP to clarify on several issues before anymore is argued.

  16. Shgon Dunstan November 11, 2014 at 9:02 am -      #16

    To be honest, this smells like a spite match. Ether that, or a fan massively overestimating SW’s ability to hold a bottleneck Vs some of the more powerful/Hax things in the other three settings.

  17. Shgon Dunstan November 11, 2014 at 9:16 am -      #17

    Oh yeah, and also needing clearing up, is how far apart the galaxies are discounting the wormholes.

  18. AreNamesNeeded November 11, 2014 at 9:28 am -      #18

    If its composite for both sides, then warhammer and halo could take this quite easily, right? Warhammer composite would have ALL tyranids and orks, which is a pretty staggering number.

    And halo would have the forerunners, AND the halo array. They could use the ark to teleport the rings through the wormhole and then activate them. And they could have some of their forces guard the rings till they fire. If this match allows the halo array, its pretty much overkill.

    Also Terra and both earths. Lol, Terra is earth, just renamed by the Imperium.

  19. Shgon Dunstan November 11, 2014 at 9:32 am -      #19

    “Also Terra and both earths. Lol, Terra is earth, just renamed by the Imperium.”

    And, IIRC, moved to a different part of the galaxy.

    Still… United, given two months worth of prep, and SW can’t even get to Halo and ST without first going through what was already one of the most fortified worlds in 40K… Yeah, I don’t see that happening anytime soon. 😕

  20. OberHerr November 11, 2014 at 9:34 am -      #20

    World Devastators are overrated. Star Trek Hax, plus FR/Flood Hax = Raped SW, and raped WH40k. They can spam the shit out of ships, and if need be just send send in Halo’s to wipe out whole sections of galaxies. Droids are the only issue, and those aren’t gonna last forever.

  21. Shgon Dunstan November 11, 2014 at 9:36 am -      #21

    “World Devastators are overrated. Star Trek Hax, plus FR/Flood Hax = Raped SW, and raped WH40k.”

    …Read the OP again. 😕

  22. OberHerr November 11, 2014 at 9:37 am -      #22

    And the Orks/Tyranids are easily countered by the Halo’s. Perfectly actually.

  23. Shgon Dunstan November 11, 2014 at 9:40 am -      #23

    @OberHerr
    “And the Orks/Tyranids are easily countered by the Halo’s. Perfectly actually.”

    …Doubtlessly so, given their on the same side!

  24. GMoney November 11, 2014 at 10:15 am -      #24

    Hmm. So this is fully composite EU SW? Well, considering the only way team 2 can get at them is through a choke point couldn’t they sit back and fire Infinity Waves for the rest of time while crapping out millions of Abeloth+ beings? Or use Centerpoint to put a black hole in front of the Wormhole? And while I know Trek has hax, I think most of their hax will be canceled out by the no omnipotents rule. As for the Chaos Gods, are they tied directly to the other universes or just the 40K universe? I ask because the Chaos Gods and the warp as a whole are mirrors of our sentient emotions.

  25. Shgon Dunstan November 11, 2014 at 10:24 am -      #25

    The problem with saying “no gods” about ST is… What counts as a “god”?

    There’s a whole rainbow of super powerful aliens in ST… Where’s the line dawn?

  26. Xornell November 11, 2014 at 10:25 am -      #26

    Is this Fox News? Because this match is fair and balanced, let me tell you. 10/10 obvious spite is obvious.

  27. the watcher November 11, 2014 at 10:26 am -      #27

    Where is star wars meant to get millions of Abeloth beings from? Composite usually means one of everything they’ve ever had, not a combined cast list from every second of their existence. And the infinity wave is really not impressive. GEOM or even a mid level psyker would stop that without issue.

    And Ober had better be trolling or very drunk. Hopefully both.

  28. Xornell November 11, 2014 at 10:30 am -      #28

    “And the infinity wave is really not impressive. GEOM or even a mid level psyker would stop that without issue.”

    *sniff sniff*
    s2.quickmeme.com/img/c5/c52970ce2092614d24661236ed5b996cf62f5bd757569e57e134ec340e1a4538.jpg
    Emperor Wank?
    When has any psyker, or the Emperor himself, ever demonstrated the ability to planetbust (let alone stop a planet from being busted)?

  29. the watcher November 11, 2014 at 10:33 am -      #29

    Didn’t Quinlan Vos reverse the Infinity wave back at its source? I’m not going to pretend I know the details, but if it was force based, then I don’t see why the Emperor or any Vos-level psyker couldn’t do the same thing. If it was tech based, then forgive the foot-in-mouth moment.

  30. GMoney November 11, 2014 at 10:38 am -      #30

    “Where is star wars meant to get millions of Abeloth beings from?”

    By bathing in the pool of knowledge and drinking from the Font of Power a person gains the force powers of Abeloth. And you know what the scary part is? Abeloth was a normal sentient without force ability before bathing in the pool, and she became so far beyond any force user she broke the scale (described as being dozens of times more powerful than Luke, the most powerful Force User sans the Celestials and The Ones.

    “And the infinity wave is really not impressive. GEOM or even a mid level psyker would stop that without issue.”

    When has the GEOM ever been able to do that? I took everything he had to destroy a moon-sized planet.

  31. the watcher November 11, 2014 at 10:46 am -      #31

    See above. How exactly did Quinlan stop/redirect the wave?
    And it doesn’t matter what Abeloth was described as if she’s never shown anything that’s actually all that impressive.

  32. GMoney November 11, 2014 at 10:55 am -      #32

    “See above. How exactly did Quinlan stop/redirect the wave?”

    He did it by breaking into The Star Chamber where it was fired and shutting it down technologically.

    “And it doesn’t matter what Abeloth was described as if she’s never shown anything that’s actually all that impressive.”

    She mentally dominated The Son and The Daughter, who were both capable of terraforming a planet. She also dominated a dozen Jedi and Sith+Luke in combat. And Many of those Jedi were capable of using force storms.

  33. Shgon Dunstan November 11, 2014 at 11:04 am -      #33

    Even ignoring the god thing… How is making even more super powerful Dark Side users to get corrupted by Chaos “helping” SW?

  34. Malenfant November 11, 2014 at 11:06 am -      #34

    Would the Q Continuum count as gods? How about the Precursors?

    Anyways composite Halo: Flood/Forerunners. That’s a pretty hard combination to beat for Star Wars, especially now that they have Necron’s to complement their ground forces and twice as much industry.

  35. GMoney November 11, 2014 at 11:12 am -      #35

    1: Chaos corruption isn’t instantaneous. It takes a lot of time and the consent of the user to work, which in a BankGambling match would never be given right?
    2: if we are assuming that force=warp than the Chaos Gods might not be the biggest fish in the pond anymore. Their greatest adversary was only capable of destroying a moon sized station and there greatest feat was shattering a planet. SW has force users capable of causing several stars to go supernova simultaneously.

  36. GMoney November 11, 2014 at 11:16 am -      #36

    “Would the Q Continuum count as gods? How about the Precursors?”

    The Q would count as gods. I’m pretty sure They are the reason Trek beat SW on this site. If they are in, which the OP could allow then they stomp. The Precursors aren’t gods though.

    “Anyways composite Halo: Flood/Forerunners. That’s a pretty hard combination to beat for Star Wars, especially now that they have Necron’s to complement their ground forces and twice as much industry.”

    And SW has the Rakata, The Kwa, The Celestials, and The Ones. EU Star Wars can get to comic book levels of ridiculous real fast.

  37. Shgon Dunstan November 11, 2014 at 11:19 am -      #37

    “1: Chaos corruption isn’t instantaneous. It takes a lot of time and the consent of the user to work, which in a BankGambling match would never be given right?”

    The OP(aka: rule 1) expressly allows it, and it would seem to me that a past history of giving into temptation, indeed glorifying in it, would leave them weak to it.

    “2: if we are assuming that force=warp than the Chaos Gods might not be the biggest fish in the pond anymore. Their greatest adversary was only capable of destroying a moon sized station and there greatest feat was shattering a planet. SW has force users capable of causing several stars to go supernova simultaneously.”

    I’ll let those who know 40K better deal with this side of it, but what I know of it from Vs tells me you rather underselling both him and them. 😕

  38. GMoney November 11, 2014 at 11:32 am -      #38

    “The OP(aka: rule 1) expressly allows it, and it would seem to me that a past history of giving into temptation, indeed glorifying in it, would leave them weak to it.”

    But not when the power enslaves them. That’s why the Sith very rarely have a working hierarchy because they hate serving someone else. Chaos corruption would be the ultimate form of servitude.

    “I’ll let those who know 40K better deal with this side of it, but what I know of it from Vs tells me you rather underselling both him and them.”

    I don’t mean to brag, but I would consider myself pretty knowledgeable about 40k as well, and in nothing I have read beyond in-universe speculation and hyperbolic statements has the Emperor done more than what he did at Gorro and the Gods done more than what they did to Caliban.

  39. Kara Zor-El November 11, 2014 at 11:36 am -      #39

    “. I’m pretty sure They are the reason Trek beat SW on this site. ”
    _
    The Q made it a stomp, so the match was reworked without Gods and Trek still won. .
    _
    It still hasn’t been clearly stated if Trek/Halo/40K are composite or not.

  40. OberHerr November 11, 2014 at 11:38 am -      #40

    They are on the SAME side? WTF? Use the Tyranids and Orks as nigh-infinite throngs of meat for ground warfare, use Chaos for some supernatural corruption hax, use Halo for production and FR/Flood Hax, and use ST for its hax. Boom. SW is doomed. From the start. There is no way in hell they can even hope to hold out for even a few months in the tide of enemies that are all effortlessly better than them and have FAR superior numbers and transportation ability.

  41. Shgon Dunstan November 11, 2014 at 11:38 am -      #41

    “But not when the power enslaves them. That’s why the Sith very rarely have a working hierarchy because they hate serving someone else. Chaos corruption would be the ultimate form of servitude.”

    …I can’t believe you typed that with a strait keyboard. o_O

  42. Shgon Dunstan November 11, 2014 at 11:40 am -      #42

    “It still hasn’t been clearly stated if Trek/Halo/40K are composite or not.”

    Not really sure it would change much in the end even if their not.

  43. Malenfant November 11, 2014 at 11:44 am -      #43

    “And SW has the Rakata, The Kwa, The Celestials, and The Ones. EU Star Wars can get to comic book levels of ridiculous real fast.”

    What can they do? Because from my experience with some of those, they’re pretty unimpressive compared to the Forerunners at their height.

  44. OberHerr November 11, 2014 at 12:01 pm -      #44

    FR’s in feats, laugh at what the Rakata and such accomplish. Centerpoint? Hah. Try building whole systems around suns. The Starforge? Try doing that with basic factories everywhere.

    SW never really approaches comicbook levels, no idea why you think that. They have the Force, which could be hax….except now the FR’s and Star Trek have Psyker genes to work with.

  45. Shgon Dunstan November 11, 2014 at 12:05 pm -      #45

    “except now the FR’s and Star Trek have Psyker genes to work with.”

    And Psykers have the Warp on their side…

    I love what Vs can do to natural enemies when they suddenly find themselves working together. 😆

  46. GMoney November 11, 2014 at 12:05 pm -      #46

    “The Q made it a stomp, so the match was reworked without Gods and Trek still won. .”

    Really? How did they win? And was it against a composite Star Wars or just the Galactic Empire?

    “They are on the SAME side? WTF? Use the Tyranids and Orks as nigh-infinite throngs of meat for ground warfare, use Chaos for some supernatural corruption hax, use Halo for production and FR/Flood Hax, and use ST for its hax. Boom. SW is doomed. From the start. There is no way in hell they can even hope to hold out for even a few months in the tide of enemies that are all effortlessly better than them and have FAR superior numbers and transportation ability.”

    Since when do the Orks of Nids have infinite numbers? The Orks have less than a million worlds and We have no idea how many Nids there are. For all we know the Hive Fleets in the Galaxy could be it or there could be an infinite horde of hive fleets behind them. We don’t know. Chaos corruption, requires Psykers for them to invade realspace, which SW does not have and I would think that Ysalimiri would cancel out Chaos influence. For Forerunners, the thing that kills it for them is that they can’t fit Halos through the wormhole. And the Halos only work on sentients so any droids will be unaffected. Star Trek I am still unsure on. We need to know what exactly is allowed for Trek. That could decide the match.

    “…I can’t believe you typed that with a strait keyboard. o_O”

    Not sure what’s wrong with it. The Sith all want to be there own boss and chaos corruption is servitude to The Gods.

  47. Shgon Dunstan November 11, 2014 at 12:13 pm -      #47

    @GMoney
    “Since when do the Orks of Nids have infinite numbers?”

    The whole of the 40K universe outside the milkyway is said to be nothing but Neds and Orks. The OP doesn’t limit 40K to just it’s main galaxy. Perhaps not truly “infinite”, but close enough.

    “Not sure what’s wrong with it. The Sith all want to be there own boss and chaos corruption is servitude to The Gods.”

    The fact that you talk about “hyperbolic statements”, and then spew such blatant Sith propaganda, and lies to themselves. 😕

  48. Jehrnkierthe November 11, 2014 at 12:19 pm -      #48

    “Just a note on the logistics game, but surely 3 whole universes worth will be able to eventually overcome the tar wars resources of only one universe?”

    This is by no means true, any universe has effectively infinite resources even relative to a galaxy-spanning civilization. What matters is the resource extraction and industrial capacity of each, not the number of universes whose resources are available to them.

  49. GMoney November 11, 2014 at 12:20 pm -      #49

    “What can they do? Because from my experience with some of those, they’re pretty unimpressive compared to the Forerunners at their height.”

    The Rakata built Star Forges. 1 Star Forge in the space of a couple months made an army big enough to challenge the 50 million planet wide Republic. The Kwa built infinity gates which allowed for instant travel and could be used to destroy planets with an infinity wave. There were a ton of gates when the Kwa were around. The Celestials were the people who gave the Rakata and Kwa their technology. We don’t know much about them but we are told that they supposedly had all the knowledge in the universe. The Ones are though to be begotten from the Celestials or the last Celestials. Now imagine an entire race of terraformers who were strong/scary enough to make an incredibly violent star faring race destroy their technology and adopt a culture of pacifism and primitivism.

    “FR’s in feats, laugh at what the Rakata and such accomplish. Centerpoint? Hah. Try building whole systems around suns. The Starforge? Try doing that with basic factories everywhere.”

    I keep being told that the Forerunners had trillions of ships but besides 1 vague quote from Cryptum what is there to support it? There also the fact that Mendicant Bias stealing 10,000 ships was considered a big deal. If they had trillions of ships it wouldn’t have mattered. Additionally, in the battle of the Maginot Line Mendicant Bias threw everything it had at them and it only totaled up to 4.8 million ships including civilian vessels. If Mendicant Bias had dominated the entire Forerunner Empire at this point don’t you think it could bring more ships if the FR really did have trillions of ships?

  50. Rookie November 11, 2014 at 12:29 pm -      #50

    @the watcher

    “And the infinity wave is really not impressive. GEOM or even a mid level psyker would stop that without issue.”

    “The Emperor fought an armoured giant twice his height and breadth. Its skull was a vast, iron-helmed boulder with elephantine tusks and chisel-like teeth that gleamed dully. Its eyes were coal-red slits of such vicious intelligence that it stole Horus’s breath.

    Horus had never seen its equal. No bestiary would include its description for fear of being ridiculed, no magos of the Mechanicum would accept such a specimen could exist.

    Six clanking, mechanised limbs bolted through its flesh bore grinding, crackling, sawing, snapping, flame-belching weapons of murder. The Emperor’s armour was burning, the golden wreath now ashes around his neck.

    Chugging rotor cannons battered the Emperor’s armour even as claws of lightning tore portions of it away. It was taking every screed of the Emperor’s warrior skill and psychic might to keep the mech-warlord’s weaponry from killing him.

    ‘Father!’ shouted Horus.

    The greenskin turned and saw Horus. It saw the desperation in his face and laughed. A fist like a Reductor siege hammer smashed the Emperor’s sword aside and a fist of green flesh lifted him into the air. It crushed the life from him with its inhuman power.

    ‘No!’ yelled Horus, battering his way through the last of the greenskins to reach his father’s side. The Mech-Warlord turned his spinal weapons on Horus, and a blistering series of lightning strikes hammered the walkway.

    Horus dodged them all, a wolf on the hunt amid the ash and fire of the world’s ending. He had no weapon, and where that wasn’t normally a handicap to a warrior of the Legions, against this foe it was a definite disadvantage.

    No weapon of his would hurt this beast anyway.

    But one of its own…

    Horus gripped one of the warlord’s mechanised arms, one bearing the spinning brass spheres and crackling tines of its lightning weapon. The arm’s strength was prodigious, but centimetre by centimetre Horus forced it around.

    Lightning blasted from the weapon, burning Horus’s hands black. Bone gleamed through the ruin of his flesh, but what was that pain when set against the loss of a father?

    With one last herculean effort, Horus wrenched the arm up as a sawing blast of white-edged lightning erupted from the weapon. A searing burst of fire impacted on the Mech-Warlord’s forearm and the limb exploded from the elbow down in a welter of blackened bone and boiling blood. The beast grunted in surprise, dropping the Emperor and staring in dumb fascination at the ruin of its arm.

    Seizing the chance he had been given, the Emperor bent low and surged upwards with his bluesteel sword extended. The tip ripped into the Mech-Warlord’s belly and burst from its back in a shower of sparks.

    ‘Now you die,’ said the Emperor, and ripped his blade up.

    It was an awful, agonising, mortal wound. Electrical fire vented from hideous metal organs within the wreckage of the greenskin’s body.

    Horus felt the build up of colossal psychic energies and shielded his eyes as a furious light built within the Emperor. Power like nothing he had ever seen his father wield, or even suspected he possessed. All consuming, all powerful, it was the power to extinguish life in every sphere of its existence. Physical flesh turned to ash before it and what ancient faiths had once called a soul was burned out of existence, never to cohere again.

    Nothing would ever remain of he who suffered such a fate.

    Their body and soul would pass from the finite energy of the universe, to fade into memory and have all that they were wiped from the canvas of existence.

    This was as complete a death as it was possible to suffer.

    That power blazed along the Emperor’s sword, filling the greenskin with killing light. It erupted in a bellowing golden explosion, and lightning blazed from the coruscating afterimage of its death, arcing from ork to ork as it sought out all those who were kin to the master of Gorro. Unimaginable energies poured from the Emperor, reaching throughout the entirety of the chamber and burning every last shred of alien flesh to a mist of drifting golden ash.

    Horus watched as the power of life and death coursed through the Emperor, saw him swell in stature until he was like unto a god. Wreathed in pellucid amber flames, towering and majestic.

    His father never claimed to be a god, and refuted such notions with a vengeance. He had even castigated a son for believing what Horus now saw before him with his very own eyes…”

    Sureeee…

  51. Kara Zor-El November 11, 2014 at 12:33 pm -      #51

    “Really? How did they win? And was it against a composite Star Wars or just the Galactic Empire?
    _
    It wasn’t composite because Trek would stomp again, from what I remember. But it was decided to be ‘recent incarnations’ which meant, just after Voy for Trek and sometime after a lot of the SW Superweapons I think. Trek had similar speeds thanks to Transwarp, had better weapons I think it was decided and had Species 8472’s fluidic space to use as a safe haven of sorts if needed. It was hotly debated on both sides, a good match.

  52. Shgon Dunstan November 11, 2014 at 12:51 pm -      #52

    To the best of my knowledge, SW has little in the ways of time travel, where it’s fairly easy in ST…

    …Even with the limit of not going past the start of the match, it would certainly make the two months more “productive”. 😆

  53. Commander Farsight November 11, 2014 at 1:08 pm -      #53

    Cool, this got posted. I suggested this on a whim, so apologies if it’s a bit of a stomp, I haven’t read through all this yet.

    Just a clarification, I was intending composite SW, all other current incarnations.

  54. Jake_Uzumaki November 11, 2014 at 1:16 pm -      #54

    EU Star Wars or no EU?

  55. Praetor Prefect November 11, 2014 at 1:22 pm -      #55

    Composite means EU, no? I don’t want to see the movies +clone wars/rebels vs 40Treklo

  56. Commander Farsight November 11, 2014 at 1:23 pm -      #56

    @Jake
    EU Star Wars.

  57. Malenfant November 11, 2014 at 1:25 pm -      #57

    “The Rakata built Star Forges. 1 Star Forge in the space of a couple months made an army big enough to challenge the 50 million planet wide Republic.”

    Doesn’t seem entirely impressive compared to the Forerunner Ecuneme. A single, backwater, unnammed Forerunner facility constructed the frame for an 800 meter ship within seconds.

    “The Kwa built infinity gates which allowed for instant travel”

    Slipspace drives.

    “and could be used to destroy planets with an infinity wave.”

    Sufficient amounts of Forerunner Drones can sublimate and dissemble entire planets on a real-time basis. Drones.

    “The Celestials were the people who gave the Rakata and Kwa their technology. We don’t know much about them but we are told that they supposedly had all the knowledge in the universe.”

    An undefinable amount of knowledge at that.

    “The Ones are though to be begotten from the Celestials or the last Celestials. Now imagine an entire race of terraformers who were strong/scary enough to make an incredibly violent star faring race destroy their technology and adopt a culture of pacifism and primitivism.”

    I’m imagining races less than the Forerunners here.

  58. Praetor Prefect November 11, 2014 at 1:37 pm -      #58

    @Malenfant
    Were those drones or sentinels? I know…Onyx(?) sentinels can destroy large ships right? Also, I believe there were larger planetary mining drones.

  59. Malenfant November 11, 2014 at 1:48 pm -      #59

    Several thousand Sentinels were able to take on a Covenant battleship IIRC.

  60. the watcher November 11, 2014 at 1:51 pm -      #60

    @rookie
    That ork was fucking huge, and had a giant waagh behind him. Not to mention that Horus is the one seeing this, and thinking that the Emperor is outmatched. If he was actually overpowered, he wouldn’t have atomised the ork the second Horus did his thing, along with every other ork in several football fields around. And then you have to find star wars people that could kill an ork much larger. They’re all on the same side now, and that means quadrillions of orks all focusing into a single waagh.

    And seeing as how force=warp, why not let the necrons just shut down the whole thing, and then kill what’s left(vong, maybe one or two others).

    @malenfant
    Several thousand mining drones doesn’t seem that impressive. Then again, it is mining drones.

  61. Jolttra November 11, 2014 at 1:57 pm -      #61

    Personally I always felt much of the Forerunner hype was bs. Still, at their hight they are a significant challenge to any major SW faction. And would easily crush any minor group. Warhammer was always SW closest rival. If they had better FTL and production (one ship takes like 100 years to build) they would probably win. If the Forerunners mount slipdrives on the biggest Warhammer ships, watch out. As for Star Trek, they don’t have much for front line combat but they do have a lot of suport elements. Replicators for unlimited food, Borg and Species 8472 to help production and cross tech grafting, universal translators, etc. So they will play their part. I should also mention that in Voyager they apparently developed bombs that can blow up planets and even disrupt a solar system. I would call bull, but it doesn’t matter much either way. As a huge Star Wars EU fan, I give it to the trifecta on this one.

  62. Rookie November 11, 2014 at 1:58 pm -      #62

    @the watcher

    ” and had a giant waagh behind him. ”

    So one planetary Waagh is too much for Emperor now? Space marines kills orks warbosses all the time.

    “Not to mention that Horus is the one seeing this, and thinking that the Emperor is outmatched. If he was actually overpowered, he wouldn’t have atomised the ork the second Horus did his thing, along with every other ork in several football fields around. ”

    Sure. This is why GEOM allowed ork to beat the shit out of him? He could’ve land a hit untill Horus distracted and wounded the ork.

    “They’re all on the same side now, and that means quadrillions of orks all focusing into a single waagh.”

    As someone who can judging only by novels orks are shitty as it can possibly be. Even tau are better. Orks lose all the time. Tau won… once in all novels that I read.

  63. Praetor Prefect November 11, 2014 at 1:58 pm -      #63

    @TheWatcher
    The sentinel’s aren’t mining drones though, Onyx Sentinels are combat focused

  64. Malenfant November 11, 2014 at 2:00 pm -      #64

    “Several thousand mining drones doesn’t seem that impressive. Then again, it is mining drones.”

    Considering that they took down the equivalent of a
    Star Destroyer? And a single, backwater Forerunner installation can produce 1/6s? Kind of impressive.

  65. the watcher November 11, 2014 at 2:06 pm -      #65

    @rookie
    It was explicitly the biggest warboss that anyone had ever seen. About 6 or so space marines high, and most waaghs aren’t planetary scale. That battle had primarch sized nobs in it, who nearly beat Horus in a fight. It’s a good mark in favor of the orks, not a bad one for the Emperor. Has anyone in star wars killed thousands of people from across the galaxy?

    @GMoney
    We have better feats than that. Stop underselling. Malcador held Titan in the warp for most of the heresy, and he turned to dust from sitting on Emperor’s chair for a few hours. Emperor had been doing that for seven years at that point. Single alpha psykers take control over thousands of planets, and the emperor quite literally eats them for breakfast.

  66. Rookie November 11, 2014 at 2:10 pm -      #66

    @the watcher

    “Has anyone in star wars killed thousands of people from across the galaxy?”

    Palpatine created some kind of massacre using Force in EU.

  67. GMoney November 11, 2014 at 2:28 pm -      #67

    “It was explicitly the biggest warboss that anyone had ever seen. About 6 or so space marines high, and most waaghs aren’t planetary scale. That battle had primarch sized nobs in it, who nearly beat Horus in a fight. It’s a good mark in favor of the orks, not a bad one for the Emperor. Has anyone in star wars killed thousands of people from across the galaxy?”

    Yes. Any force user who can use a force Storm can. Other force users also have more esoteric powers that can life wipe such as Nihilus.

    “We have better feats than that. Stop underselling. Malcador held Titan in the warp for most of the heresy, and he turned to dust from sitting on Emperor’s chair for a few hours. Emperor had been doing that for seven years at that point. Single alpha psykers take control over thousands of planets, and the emperor quite literally eats them for breakfast.”

    No, Malcador shrouded Titan in the warp so the traitors couldn’t see it. And I’m not underselling. Gorro is the biggest thing any Psyker has destroyed. Yes we have the alien cyborg who mind raped a sector but we aren’t told the context. Did he just think about it and bam the sector is mind raped? Or did he have to go to each planet and install a device on each person’s head? And saying that any alpha level Psyker could do that is ridiculous, your saying that we shoulda assume that all alpha Psykers can mind rape sectors just because we see 1 Psyker do it with no context about how he did it? That is the problem with 40k that sees it wanked so much. Lack of context. A great example is the Alpha Pysker, who can supposedly destroy planets. But how does he do this? Most people assumed that they blow them up but is equally likely that the Psyker is a conduit for a Daemonic horde, who destroy the planet.


    About the match in general, If the 4 galaxies were pressed together I think SW’s fate would be sealed. But the way it is set up I think Star Wars has a viable strategy: Putting a black hole or force Storm in front of the warp portal and firing infinity waves through the wormhole. They cannot be invaded because of the black hole, which absorb even radiation so the Halos won’t work on it and while Team 2 is sitting there doing nothing Star Wars can fire infinity waves through the wormhole, destroying planets with impunity and eventually mounting a full scale invasion after Team 2 has been cut down to size. The wild card for me is Star Trek. I only watched TOS and TNG so some of their more hax stuff I don’t know about. Does Trek have anything to counter this strategy?

  68. AreNamesNeeded November 11, 2014 at 2:48 pm -      #68

    So it isn’t composite for team 2? Well, they still have some halos remaining, right? Send em through the wormhole, protected by a massive tyranid hive fleet (meat shield?) and activate those bad boys. And the sheeeeer numbers that would be presented by orks, tyranids, Borg and, (if allowed to get going again, considering that they are kept isolated for study on the rings, so its possible that some spores are still intact) the flood is monumental.

  69. IamTaco November 11, 2014 at 2:54 pm -      #69

    It was 46 sentinels to take down a covenant battleship. And there are septillions of sentinels that made up onyx.That’s 1 followed by 24 zeros.

    1,270,714,156,083,472,445 onyx sentinels.

  70. Praetor Prefect November 11, 2014 at 2:56 pm -      #70

    @IamTaco
    Ah, there it is. I knew about the feat, but not the specific numbers

  71. the watcher November 11, 2014 at 3:27 pm -      #71

    @GMoney
    You neglect to mention the Storm of Magnus, a massive warp storm above anything SW has shown so far. And chaos greatest feat is not the destruction of Caliban. They Eye is the greatest feat of a single one of them. I know they aren’t part of the match, but you said that they didn’t do anything. And then we have Magnus the Red, who killed thousands of techpreists with sorcery from Prospero, and who was responsible for f*cking the whole thing up with an unsealable portal. .

    Alpha psykers planetbust by throwing the whole thing into the warp, breaking it apart, or some combination of the two. It says “destroying entire worlds’ not summoning armies that can do so. Although they can do that whole “bind armies of greater daemons” thing, each one of which is planetary level all on its own.

    The cyborg alien guy did it with his mind, as, if you know so much about 40, you would know due to their lack of mind control devices, especially ones that the mechanicus can make.

  72. GMoney November 11, 2014 at 3:47 pm -      #72

    “You neglect to mention the Storm of Magnus, a massive warp storm above anything SW has shown so far. And chaos greatest feat is not the destruction of Caliban. They Eye is the greatest feat of a single one of them. I know they aren’t part of the match, but you said that they didn’t do anything. And then we have Magnus the Red, who killed thousands of techpreists with sorcery from Prospero, and who was responsible for f*cking the whole thing up with an unsealable portal.”

    Their is no event called the Storm of Magnus. I assume your referring to Magnus’ arrival at Terra? Magnus killed people because when he came through the Webway to warn the Emperor of Horus’ treachery he let Daemons in as well and the psychic shockwave killed many astropaths but did no damage to the non-psychic population. And now that you mention Magnus then you must know that him 1-shoting a Titan took all of his energy, so much so that he was unable to avoid the return fire and had to be saved by his Sons. If your referring to The Storm of The Emperor’s Wrath than you should know that the only reason the Storm was attributed to the Emperor was because it indirectly helped Sebastian Thor who declared it was the Emperor’s Sion. Even though he had no proof. If your referring to The Ruinstorm that Storm was only done through a complex ritual that took a long time to do and it didn’t actually affect reapspace it just made travel inside Ultramar impossible.

    “Alpha psykers planetbust by throwing the whole thing into the warp, breaking it apart, or some combination of the two. It says “destroying entire worlds’ not summoning armies that can do so. Although they can do that whole “bind armies of greater daemons” thing, each one of which is planetary level all on its own.”

    Just like every other time they do that… Oh wait, they never do that, ever. Can I see a source?

    “The cyborg alien guy did it with his mind, as, if you know so much about 40, you would know due to their lack of mind control devices, especially ones that the mechanicus can make.”

    You are correct, the Imperium does not have mind control devices, but the alien could have had one. I’m not saying he did but I’m saying that it is just as possible that he used some sort of amplification device than that he used his own power.

  73. Tsubodai November 11, 2014 at 3:57 pm -      #73

    This is kind of stupid. Star trek already got the BankGambling award against star wars – and now we’re giving them warhammer, including chaos? Never mind whatever halo can do (not much, i’m guessing). The only x-factor is the wormholes. If star wars can hold the line with force-storms and the like indefinately, then eventually they will win a war of attrition as the other civilizations run out of natural resources.

    Unfortunately for star wars, chaos is not constrained by space and will not need the wormholes to travel. I forsee the sith falling under the sway of chaos in very short order – probably Khorne or Tzeentch. I don’t think I need to explain why Tzeentchian Palpatine and/or Plagueus would be problematic, nor why Khornate Nihilus would be beyond terrifying.

  74. the watcher November 11, 2014 at 4:05 pm -      #74

    Wouldn’t Nihilus be Slaaneshi though? What with his whole constantly stuffing his face, constant hunger, and other stuff. S/he would offer to satiate his hunger for a little bit, then little bit less, and then he has no further choice.

  75. Jolttra November 11, 2014 at 4:17 pm -      #75

    @Tsubodai: Star Trek only won because of the Q. Without them and other God like beings Trek stands no chance.

  76. Jake_Uzumaki November 11, 2014 at 4:24 pm -      #76

    @Tsubodai
    that was both current. Star Wars is composite here no one else is.

    If the Sith fall they can easily be removed from the equation if the need arises, ignoring the fact no Sith would pledge service to a god and still be able to call himself a Sith.

  77. Tsubodai November 11, 2014 at 4:25 pm -      #77

    @the watcher

    Nihilus kills to sate his hunger – he is compelled to kill constantly. That seems more khornate than slaaneshi to me – blood for the blood god and all that. She who thirsts wouldn’t have much use for a servant who was constantly feeding khorne’s powers, would she?

    @ Jolttra

    I didn’t look through the specifics of the match, but i though the Q were removed relatively early and the match continued without them? Anyway, the main thing is that it’s three of them now – and chaos is going to be able to use the sith as pawns to rip star wars apart from the inside out.

    @Jake_Uzumaki

    Isn’t the point of chaos that if you (enjoy killing, get sick, have sex, scheme) enough then you almost inevitably fall? If the sith fall, they still exist and will fight for chaos. What, would star wars launch a purge to eradicate the sith order before they can fall? If so, don’t the forfeit a lot of their force-storm potential?

  78. jackn8r November 11, 2014 at 4:42 pm -      #78

    Seriously?

  79. the watcher November 11, 2014 at 4:46 pm -      #79

    @jake
    Ignoring the fact that you don’t have to pledge service to a god to end up serving one. Just ask Genghis Khan/whoever the hell Doombreed is.

  80. GMoney November 11, 2014 at 4:50 pm -      #80

    “Isn’t the point of chaos that if you (enjoy killing, get sick, have sex, scheme) enough then you almost inevitably fall? If the sith fall, they still exist and will fight for chaos. What, would star wars launch a purge to eradicate the sith order before they can fall? If so, don’t the forfeit a lot of their force-storm potential?”

    No. The only way to fall to Chaos is to willingly give into it or be possessed in a complex ritual, which old require capturing a Sith alive.

  81. GMoney November 11, 2014 at 4:52 pm -      #81

    “Ignoring the fact that you don’t have to pledge service to a god to end up serving one. Just ask Genghis Khan/whoever the hell Doombreed is.”

    We actually don’t know Doombreed’s origins, only that he is the first daemon Prince of Khorne and that he was a human warlord. For all we know, he could have been a servant of Khorne all along.

  82. Kara Zor-El November 11, 2014 at 5:14 pm -      #82

    “Star Trek only won because of the Q.”
    _
    Lol no. They won without the Q.

    “I didn’t look through the specifics of the match, but i though the Q were removed relatively early and the match continued without them?
    _
    Indeed, the Q and other gods were removed and Trek still beat Wars. Both were current incarnation, and it was even before EU was removed too.

  83. pimpmage November 11, 2014 at 6:05 pm -      #83

    So is this the current incarnation of the 40k verse? If so, the imperium is at it’s weakest possible. :/

  84. AreNamesNeeded November 11, 2014 at 6:20 pm -      #84

    Composite SW? “Clones, Stormie’s, Droids oh my!”

  85. Darthgrim November 11, 2014 at 6:28 pm -      #85

    Top lel.

    Man I haven’t posted here in like a year or something. I see we still do the dash for paragraph break thing…

    Anyway one of the single strongest feats for singular entities in 40k is a named Daemon draining a visible amount of juice from a Red Giant star.

    “Lightning crackled around it in every colour. The red giant star dulled as Velthinar drew off its light, surrounding itself in the star’s fire so that every edge and tip of its armoured form glowed painfully bright. White-hot and trailing flame lightning like a comet, Velthinar accelerated, arrowing straight for the Endeavour of Will, shining with enough power to punch through the star fort and rip out its innards.”

    Endeavour of Will pg 66-67

    Note, the star visibly dulled which is a ludicrous amount of power being drained.

  86. GMoney November 11, 2014 at 6:33 pm -      #86

    “Indeed, the Q and other gods were removed and Trek still beat Wars. Both were current incarnation, and it was even before EU was removed too.”

    That’s not very surprising. Post Krayt Empire era Star Wars is one of their weaker eras.

  87. Alpha or Omega November 11, 2014 at 6:48 pm -      #87

    We did this once.
    It was called Star Trek vs Star Wars Legends EU and Star Trek won.
    Star Trek had calculations which put their ship fire power at teratons(low end) to petatons(high end) which outclassed the Star Wars ICS gigaton firepower.
    Aside from the Borg and Species 8472…

  88. GMoney November 11, 2014 at 7:00 pm -      #88

    “We did this once.
    It was called Star Trek vs Star Wars Legends EU and Star Trek won.
    Star Trek had calculations which put their ship fire power at teratons(low end) to petatons(high end) which outclassed the Star Wars ICS gigaton firepower.
    Aside from the Borg and Species 8472…”

    I did not read through that entire thread as it seemed to devolve into a flame war around post 1000 but I thought it was only the Galactic Civil War era? And, while I’m not saying they are wrong, where did the firepower calcs for Trek come from?

  89. Neon Lord November 11, 2014 at 7:02 pm -      #89

    Warhammer 40k might fold in the first assault without reinforcements. Hasn’t anyone noticed that the wormhole is parked directly next to Terra?

    “1: Chaos corruption isn’t instantaneous. It takes a lot of time and the consent of the user to work, which in a BankGambling match would never be given right?”

    Chaos corruption varies in just as many ways as it can manifest. If the Chaos Gods want to mess around with you, you are stuffed no matter what you want. Just as many people who fall to Chaos do so without realising it as to those who willingly follow it.

  90. the watcher November 11, 2014 at 7:03 pm -      #90

    @pimpmage
    Could you knock some sense into this guy? He doesn’t seem to get that chaos corruption is not a willing process, and that most people don’t even know what just happened until it’s too late. I’d do it, but I don’t have any quote sources on hand, and I figure that you would.

    @neon
    that isn’t an issue. Emperor would possibly be dangerous to anything that isn’t prepared for it, as are all the anti space defenses. But the real fun starts when the throne fails. Then you gotta deal with all sorts of crazy shit, like daemon primarchs, impassable space junk, and asteroids with chainsaw fangs that want to eat the airlock.

  91. pimpmage November 11, 2014 at 7:16 pm -      #91

    “He doesn’t seem to get that chaos corruption is not a willing process, and that most people don’t even know what just happened until it’s too late.”

    There are numerous cases of corruption without being willing. In nearly every case of corruption, recipients never knew corruption even existed. I can think of at least 5 quotes off the top of my head. I don’t know why this is even argued about.

  92. GMoney November 11, 2014 at 7:18 pm -      #92

    @pimpmage
    “Could you knock some sense into this guy? He doesn’t seem to get that chaos corruption is not a willing process, and that most people don’t even know what just happened until it’s too late. I’d do it, but I don’t have any quote sources on hand, and I figure that you would.”

    But it is a willing process. The Traitor Legions didn’t just get zapped by the Gods and suddenly go traitor, they all made the conscious decision to turn traitor. The only exception is Horus, who was corrupted with a ritual where the Gods possessed him and Fulgrim who was under the influence of a corrupted Chaos Artifact of immense power.

    “that isn’t an issue. Emperor would possibly be dangerous to anything that isn’t prepared for it, as are all the anti space defenses. But the real fun starts when the throne fails. Then you gotta deal with all sorts of crazy shit, like daemon primarchs, impassable space junk, and asteroids with chainsaw fangs that want to eat the airlock.”

    The Emperor in his current incarnation is useless in a fight. And Chaos can’t just enter the Materium whenever it feels like, it can only enter when the boundary between The Warp and Realspace breaks, when a Psyker is possessed or when they are directly called by a ritual.

    “There are numerous cases of corruption without being willing. In nearly every case of corruption, recipients never knew corruption even existed. I can think of at least 5 quotes off the top of my head. I don’t know why this is even argued about.”

    You mean the times when people accidentally do something that gets them possessed or are manipulated into turning?

  93. Alpha or Omega November 11, 2014 at 7:23 pm -      #93

    @Gmoney
    “I did not read through that entire thread as it seemed to devolve into a flame war around post 1000 but I thought it was only the Galactic Civil War era? And, while I’m not saying they are wrong, where did the firepower calcs for Trek come from?”
    /
    The calculations came from Aelfinn based on a scene where 30% of a planet’s crust was destroyed.
    Incarnation rule was current for both and without Q(even though no one said no Q, they just went with it).
    Then, there was another scene where a Xindi probe did a 2km wide, 4000 km long, and 1/2 km trench on earth with its laser.

  94. the watcher November 11, 2014 at 7:27 pm -      #94

    The Emperor in his current incarnation can stop time. Among other things. Pimpmage can tell how canon that bit still is.
    “YET SURELY WE KNEW. HOW COULD WE NOT KNOW?”

    “ONCE WE HAVE ANALYSED THE INFORMATION WITHIN THIS SUB-MIND OF OURS.”

    “HEAR THIS, JAQ DRACO: ONLY TINY PORTIONS OF US CAN HEED YOU, OTHERWISE WE NEGLECT OUR IMPERIUM, OF WHICH OUR SCRUTINY MUST NOT FALTER FOR AN INSTANT. FOR TIME DOES NOT HALT EVERYWHERE WITHIN THE REALM OF MAN. INDEED TIME ONLY HALTS FOR YOU.”

    “WE ARE AN EVER WATCHFUL LORD, ARE WE NOT? DID YOU HOPE TO GAIN OUR UNDIVIDED ATTENTION?”

    “HOW ELSE SHOULD WE SOUL-BIND PSYKERS AND OVERVIEW THE WARP AND BEAM THE ASTRONOMICAN BEACON AND SURVIVE AND RECEIVE INFORMATION AND GRANT AUDIENCES ALL AT ONCE, UNLESS WE ARE MANY?”

    “AND YET STILL WE MISS SO MUCH, SO VERY MUCH? SUCH AS THAT WHICH GUIDED YOU HERE”

    Also, the traitor legions where simply zapped and became corrupted. The Death Guard said that they weren’t going to serve Chaos, and look what happened to them. They got turned into sludgebuckets in their armor, and had no choice but to turn. The 1k Sons got teleported onto a daemon world right from the get go, and they had no say in what happened next.

    I said the throne would fail before the fun starts. You proved your ignorance again when you said that they can’t enter whenever they feel like after that happens.

  95. Numinous One November 11, 2014 at 7:39 pm -      #95

    Do current incarnations of those 3 have anything capable of moving stars?
    SW could just drop a star at the entrance to the wormhole and spend however long they want consolidating their forces, specifically the Star Forge and Foundry pumping out droids and ships to constantly fuel the Rakatans Infinite Army.

    Though I’ve got nothing for the Chaos Gods.

  96. AreNamesNeeded November 11, 2014 at 7:49 pm -      #96

    If team 2 is allowed to share tech, does that mean that warhammer spacecraft would be given, much faster, far more effective FTL and such from halo and ST? If so, they would be pretty op. The main drawback for warhammer is that most factions are so damn slow, but if they had their might combined with better FTL… I’d hate to be facing them.

  97. pimpmage November 11, 2014 at 7:50 pm -      #97

    “You mean the times when people accidentally do something that gets them possessed or are manipulated into turning?”

    Man I would really rather not go dig into my books to sate your curiosity. There is a story about a guy in my Jaq Draco omnibus.
    warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Zephro_Carnelian
    This guy. His backstory is scattered throughout three books. This is why I would rather not spend hours trying to combine them. I will summarize it for you.

    This guy liked pleasures. A demon latched on to his soul without him knowing such things as demons even existed. This demon pushed him to pursue more and more pleasure. He wanted pleasure and this demon gave him pleasure. One day he simply was overwhelmed by the demon’s control and was ejected from the control of his body.

    Such a thing can happen to people who seek power. Tzeentch grants power at a price.

  98. the watcher November 11, 2014 at 7:52 pm -      #98

    @Gmoney
    People get tricked into being possessed quite easily, or, you know, Sith are force users, and assuming compatibility as per standard debate rules, would get bodyjacked by a daemon with greater ease than a normal man.

  99. Jolttra November 11, 2014 at 9:02 pm -      #99

    Hold on, how did Trek beat Wars when pretty much ever faction vs faction battle and ship vs ship battle between the two ends in a win for Wars? That makes no sense.

  100. Aelfinn November 11, 2014 at 9:16 pm -      #100

    Good to see you back, Darthgrim. What do you think now that Thor is becoming female?
    =
    I would like to make the reminder that, while canon, those calcs I made for Star Trek were very high-end from what we’ve seen. Like I said, still canon, and it makes sense because 30% of the crust was destroyed, but it serves mainly as a counter to any high-end that may come out (considering every sci-fi has a wide range for calcs).

    The real reasons why Star Trek won were Species 8472 and the Borg. 8472 can literally open a portal right next to a planet, blow that planet up, and then hop right back through into Fluidic Space. All with only 9 of their fairly run-of-the-mill ships. The Borg had cubes that could solo entire Alpha/Beta Quadrant fleets (the fleets that could put out petatons at high-end), they had millions of ships, and they could steal practically any tech because they can teleport through shields and assimilate people and ships directly. Any advantage against them would soon be used by the Borg, and they can take any tech that beats them and adapt to it or implement that tech Collective-wide. Also, the Borg had something called the “multi-kinetic neutronic mine”, which could spread their nanoprobes over a five light-year radius.
    =
    So…with two months to share tech, the Borg could have 40K nova cannons on ships that adapt to almost anything you throw at it, and all the drones are wearing Mjolnir armor to enhance their already-grotesque strength and durability.
    =
    =
    This match-up is just un-fair. Any one of these franchises can put up a fight with Star Wars (some better than others), but to have all three on the same team greatly imbalances it.
    =
    =
    EDIT:
    “Hold on, how did Trek beat Wars when pretty much ever faction vs faction battle and ship vs ship battle between the two ends in a win for Wars?”

    I’m not entirely sure what you’re talking about here (considering we haven’t had many ship vs. ship contests between the two), but if you’re thinking something along the lines of “Galactic Empire vs Federation”, let me tell you something. While the outcome is certainly up for debate, the Federation is pretty much a small player on the Galactic stage. Sure, they’re important in the area they exist, but it’s the Borg who are the real power. The Galactic Empire is the real power in Star Wars, and so that may lead to some misconceptions.

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Finally a good reason to support Destiny.

Modern Gaming

Sad but true.

Curiosity Rover Spotted by Mars Orbiter on Mount Sharp

Humanity is the invading alien now...

Nope

No way I go here alone

17 Rare Star Wars Pictures

To see them, click here

Comic Con 2013 Cosplay Gallery

Just a ton of pictures of cosplayers from the 2013 Comic Con event

Ancient Aliens Map

If you ever watched the show "Ancient Aliens" and wanted a quick reference to where all the locations they mention are at, this is the site for you!

Fictional Universes Database

Soon to be shut down by Google, but here is a great starting point for Fictional Universes

99 Star Wars Pics

Some are cool, some are a bit absurd, but they are all based on Star Wars

Alternate Movie Posters

Something a bit distinct - Check them out

Epic Swiss Army Knife

Not Really...

Future Me

Write yourself an email letter to the future - Future Me

Neil Degrasse Tyson

Star Talk Radio - As always, keep looking up!