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I’l side with Tony for now.
It depends on how far away he is from tools/a workshop post Judgement Day
L.A. (or wherever it is he wakes up) can be a very dangerous place.
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But once he gets going it shouldn’t be that hard, he’s faced Sentinels and
Ultron bots before, so depending on the model Terminator’s would be easy.
He has develooed viruses that mess with AI before. And iirc he has built more up to date models of armor when put in a situation where he has had to once again, work off of scraps.
My intial bets are on Tony.
Comic Tony? Skynet last a week or two tops with a couple months to clean up lingering Termies. Plus his armors would more than likely have survived and his new liquid metal armor is inside him alongside Extremis 3 so…bad news for Skynet all around.
Comic Tony stomps. Movie Tony puts up a good fight but can’t compete with an entire planet’s worth of resources and warmachines being thrown at him and dies.
He begins with zero access to his tools, his suits, ect. His home and everything are but scant ruins of what they once were. He must start with nothing, and has no immediate help unless he can find it. And of course, there’s no other super heroes.
I say he salvages any of the wreckage and pieces of terminators and builds himself a new suit that destroys most of skynet and he might even build suits for the rebels.
If Tony could make a suit out of scarps that could stop AK rounds, he is gonna make some sort of plasma restiant suit out of the remains of any Terminators and hack Skynet to shut down everthing
So we’re not talking current Stark … Hes back to douche mode and looking to “fix” humanity and has his suit within himself now … Ok then … So what incarnation of Stark are we talking … At some point he was able to mentally hack machines … So we going way back to just Stark and his genius … Id have to agree with the general opinions … Even without anything … Stark still has the smarts to take out Skynet … might take a while but he’ll do it
Unless Tony can kill and dismantle a terminator and build a suit with his hands only, he wins…
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but he can’t. He needs tools, materials and a safe place to build a new armor… all which will take time to gather, meanwhile a giant robot army searches for him…
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…I don’t se him winning this…
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“If Tony could make a suit out of scarps that could stop AK rounds, he is gonna make some sort of plasma restiant suit out of the remains of any Terminators and hack Skynet to shut down everthing”
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I see a few problems with this:
1, He needs to gather the materials, and to my knowledge Tony hasn’t superhuman strength (still, he is from marvel were “normal human” is a very loose term), which mean he can’t carry to much with him each scavenging run. What I have seen of the Skynet future there isn’t even that much salvage around.
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2, He has to manage to kill a Terminator without proper weapons to be able to salvage it, remember, everything he needed to built his first armor were provided by the terrorists.
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3, The Terminators themself isn’t very plasma-proof, I doubt he could build a suit of armor 100% plasma-proof from one of them.
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My only knowledge of Iron-man is from the movie-verse, so I may be wrong, but I still bet on the legions of human-hunting robots.
“He needs to gather the materials, and to my knowledge Tony hasn’t superhuman strength (still, he is from marvel were “normal human” is a very loose term), which mean he can’t carry to much with him each scavenging run. What I have seen of the Skynet future there isn’t even that much salvage around.”
couldn’t he use what pieces found lying around the tower to make some sort of temporary suit as he has done that in ultimate Spiderman
“Unless Tony can kill and dismantle a terminator and build a suit with his hands only, he wins…”
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Havin a bit of tough time find right now but iirc his arc reactor can still be rigged to fire like normal with him having to be in armor. So there’s that.
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“but he can’t. He needs tools, materials and a safe place to build a new armor… all which will take time to gather, meanwhile a giant robot army searches for him…”
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He can build his own tools materials he still has in the ruins of his place. He’s worked of off scrap and junk before.
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“He needs to gather the materials, and to my knowledge Tony hasn’t superhuman strength (still, he is from marvel were “normal human” is a very loose term), which mean he can’t carry to much with him each scavenging run.”
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Hacking wise all he needs is tools and some sort of computer. He can get that from scraps he finds along the way while he’s running. Small stuff he can easily carry. Iirc Terminators have been hacked before right?
“Hacking wise all he needs is tools and some sort of computer. He can get that from scraps he finds along the way while he’s running. Small stuff he can easily carry. Iirc Terminators have been hacked before right?”
actually they are real easy to hack. They’ve been reprogrammed like 4 iirc.
“couldn’t he use what pieces found lying around the tower to make some sort of temporary suit”
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That would require exacly the right components, which “a dusk covered skeletal ruin” shouldn’t have, may be wrong thu. It is up to Sauro to decide.
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Your version of a “dust covered skeletal ruin“:
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My version of a “dust covered skeletal ruin“:
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“Hacking wise all he needs is tools and some sort of computer. He can get that from scraps he finds along the way while he’s running. Small stuff he can easily carry”
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And a wireless connection… a safe place to begin the hack, not that Skynet would try to resist…
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“actually they are real easy to hack. They’ve been reprogrammed like 4 iirc.”
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Wow, 4? Really? Of what, a couple of thousands produced? Since I doubt you witnessed the hacking process, I say fallacy.
And atleast two of those were captured before they were able to hack them.
“Wow, 4? Really? Of what, a couple of thousands produced? Since I doubt you witnessed the hacking process, I say fallacy.
And atleast two of those were captured before they were able to hack them.”
sorry meant to say one of them sent back to the past was hacked 4 different times in one movie. But I could be wrong about the one movie part as my memory is fuzzy
“sorry meant to say one of them sent back to the past was hacked 4 different times in one movie. But I could be wrong about the one movie part as my memory is fuzzy”
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Which movie?
Idk I heard it on death battle
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If you mean the part at 2:06 it is three different T-800 models covering the three movies: Terminator 1: sent back to kill Sarah Connor before John is born.
2:08: Terminator 2: reprogramed and sent back to protect John Connor from the T-1000 “liquid terminator“.
2:10 Terminator 3: The same T-800 that kill John Connor in the future is captured, reprogramed and sent back to protect 20’ish something Connor from the T-X, the female looking one.
Ok thanks for telling me and sorry for getting it wrong
Hm, no, I’m sorry.
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Later in the video, at 5:08 they mention that one T-800 was hacked 4 times. I think this is the moment you mentioned.
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But, to adress that one instead, first, the videos isn’t even from the same source, the first looks like some game, the fourth I don’t recognize. But the seconds and third is bull.
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Video 2 is when T-X injects nano-machines into T-800, but I wouldn’t call this hacking, since she does the same to remote-control cars, so she forcefully moves the T-800’s body, as seen when he stumbles towards Connor.
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And when Connor asks him about his program, he answers “to protect John Connor” while seconds away from bashing Connors skull in..
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Video 3 is right after when the T-800 does a reboot to gain control of his body again. I observed no hacking in these moments…
“And a wireless connection… a safe place to begin the hack, not that Skynet would try to resist…”
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He has the know how to cobble together a force field and your questioning if he can build something for wireless connection? The man builds ftl communication so he ca operate in space while keeping a presence on earth.
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Tony has a good deal of experience hacking and creating viruses against technological threat. Ranging from hacking into secure government tech. To more exotic alien and advanced tech.
Has skynet gone up against someone with as much experience with both normal and exotic tech?
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” Wow, 4? Really? Of what, a couple of thousands produced? Since I doubt you witnessed the hacking process, that is a fallacy.
And atleast two of those were captured before they were able to hack them.”
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How many people who have hacked them operate at Tony’s level technology wise?
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Also we seem to be forgetting.
“Can he help humanity defeat Skynet?”
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I showed he has the know how to weaponize his arc reactor using junk and scraps. That should give him enough to stay alive.
He manages to make it to the resistance and he’s going to be giving Skynet some real problems.
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Speaking of humanity if they are still around waging war that means that all of skynet forces is not swarming him from the get go. If this were Tony Stark waking up with an Army of terminator standing in front of him that might be a different story.
“He has the know how to cobble together a force field and your questioning if he can build something for wireless connection?”
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A guy with the “know how” to build a radio don’t automatically posses the “know how” to build a TV…
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“Also we seem to be forgetting.
“Can he help humanity defeat Skynet?””
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No, not really. Since this is a Vs I figured a more… eh, figuratively meaning. If he has access to the resistance wouldn’t this be a “What If…”?
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“Tony has a good deal of experience hacking and creating viruses against technological threat. Ranging from hacking into secure government tech. To more exotic alien and advanced tech.”
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And in how many of this instances has he done it from a home-built computer made from old, dusty and in general unmodern parts
“A guy with the “know how” to build a radio don’t automatically posses the “know how” to build a TV…”
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Except that”s not the case here. That example was to note his technological prowess even without having a bunch of extremely advanced tech.
Nice how you cut off the part when I mentioned how he has built a means to wirelessly operate on earth from space.
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“No, not really. Since this is a Vs I figured a more… eh, figuratively meaning. If he has access to the resistance wouldn’t this be a “What If…”?”
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Scenario overrides everything. It has it where they are still a factor that he can put to use. They just wouldn’t be on his side at the beginning. Tony still has to get them to help him. Which considering what he could bring. and how he managed to talk down a hulk angry at him that might be likely.
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“And in how many of this instances has he done it from a home-built computer made from old, dusty and in general unmodern parts”
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You got a Point.
Taking me a while to find the none armor example of techry, I’ll see what I can find.
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Still, it is shown that he is capable of creating advanced pieces of equipment with crap before.
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Found this bit where he managed to code on an old dusty un-modern computer while his brain was deteriorating
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Tony himself is not to bad physically either thanks to the RT node.
They make people faster, stronger, smarter, and accelerate healing. Pepper got a chance to feel what Tony does when he had to put one in her to save her life.
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He can also fire replusor rays from it as well. That scan going to take a bit longer for me to find. I know it’s somewhere.
But bottomline is Unless We are talking Tony stark taking on an army of Terminater head on(which tony would try to avoid). He still has a mean of attacking one, even from range.
“Nice how you cut off the part when I mentioned how he has built a means to wirelessly operate on earth from space.”
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“cut off“? Look over the post again, please. You questioned how I could doubt whether he can build a wireless internet connection based on that he can build a forcefield, I answered why I doubted it with “just because someone can build one thing doesn’t mean he can build something else“.
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“Scenario overrides everything. It has it where they are still a factor that he can put to use.”
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The scenario doesn’t even mention the resistance.
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“They just wouldn’t be on his side at the beginning. Tony still has to get them to help him. Which considering what he could bring. and how he managed to talk down a hulk angry at him that might be likely.”
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Considering these are people who live in constant fear of annihilation, and that they have multiple times been infiltrated by terminators in syntetic skins, they would more than likely shoot an unknown guy walking towards them with a glowing battery in his chest…
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“Found this bit where he managed to code on an old dusty un-modern computer while his brain was deteriorating”
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I’m sorry, but I don’t get anything helpful at all from these pictures.
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“Tony himself is not to bad physically either thanks to the RT node.
They make people faster, stronger, smarter, and accelerate healing. Pepper got a chance to feel what Tony does when he had to put one in her to save her life.”
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Yes, but with how large margin? If someone is able to lift 1kg more than before that is classified as stronger.
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“He can also fire replusor rays from it as well.”
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How powerful? Maximum range? Doesn’t this drain his drain the RT-battery?
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@Sauroposeidon
Can you clarify if the resistance is present during this match?
The scenario says “Can he help humanity defeat Skynet?”
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That seems pretty clear to me, he can’t help them if they aren’t there.
The scenario also says “but it’s up to him to survive with his engineering know how.“, which he doesn’t do if he seeks shelter with the resistance.
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I’m resoning like this, Tony wakes up in LA (or wherever it was), there is no local resistance cell, he survives using his techno-know-how, takes down the human-exterminating Skynet alone. Suddently, he has “helped” humanity defeat Skynet, since last time I checked, Stark was human, over-the-top human, but human. May be wrong, but I’m waiting for Sauro to clear it up…
Forget it, just noticed post #6 “and has no immediate help unless he can find it”
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IF Stark finds the resistance before terminators finds him, IF they don’t shoot him on sight, he easily takes down Skynet.
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“IF” being the question.
” You questioned how I could doubt whether he can build a wireless internet connection based on that he can build a forcefield, I answered why I doubted it with “just because someone can build one thing doesn’t mean he can build something else“.”
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But in the full quote I mentioned a feat directly correlating with the ability to create a wireless devices immediately after. He knows how to make it and he has shown creating things more advanced then it using junk. That was the full point.
I was trying to avoid the “he can build this but doesn’t mean he can build that” argument by adding an example of him having built a that.
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“The scenario doesn’t even mention the resistance.”
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It’s set in skynet’s future with humanity around. Is that not the same future where the resistance exist? All I know of is T:Salvation.
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“Considering these are people who live in constant fear of annihilation, and that they have multiple times been infiltrated by terminators in syntetic skins, they would more than likely shoot an unknown guy walking towards them with a glowing battery in his chest…”
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The man can and has built a shield to protect himself. Not only that, but as I mentioned before he’s really good with getting people to his side. Sure they find out he’s a jackass afterwards. But by then people tend to depend on him because of his skills.
And I was serious about talking down hulk. He found away to calm a Hulk who thought Tony was the cause of ALL the pain he has went through. And did it in a fashion to keep the blame from being shifted to the actual person responsible.
Unless he’s talking to a full blown crazy person, I don’t think he is going to find anything more unreasonable then an angry Hulk in terminatorverse.
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“I’m sorry, but I don’t get anything helpful at all from these pictures.”
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You mentioned “home-built computer made from old, dusty and in general unmodern parts”
So I found an example of him using that.
Now it’s not hacking, but it does show he can use old dusty home built computer to do something like codingfor an updated OS, while his brain crapping out on him.
You know what else you can do via coding, making a virus? Something Tony has been shown to make and use.
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He can also handle cyberwarfare via something like a PDA.
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So he doesn’t need to build something large like a giant computer, he is capable of building small mobile devices capable of the same thing.
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“Yes, but with how large margin? If someone is able to lift 1kg more than before that is classified as stronger.”
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I think he took on some alien gladiators once. I’ll see if I can find that. I do remember that he was punch by a thirty foot robot and was able to stand up again but that’s more durability isn’t it?
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“How powerful? Maximum range? Doesn’t this drain his drain the RT-battery?”
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The RT-battery is powerful to slice a plane in half and still power the iron man armors systems. Unless he wants to discharge amounts of power well over that without being in the safety of his armor he should be fine for a good while.
How much damage can terminator take? Also how emp resistant are they?
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“IF Stark finds the resistance before terminators finds him, IF they don’t shoot him on sight, he easily takes down Skynet.”
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All Tony needs is a good hide away hole. With time he can build. Besides that unless they already know where he is and are already nearby that even more time to hide and build. The stuff he has shown to make, include things like radars and life detection devices which can aid in find other or potential dangers.
As shown he is capable of making protective devices in the case he cannot build armor. Plus if he manages to find them while fighting of or trying to escape terminators that would probably add positive rep with them.
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““IF” being the question.”
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If is always the question.
But as it stands, Tony even without armor has shown to be pretty good at surviving, even off the bare minimum. He can build devices that could aid in protecting himself using junk. HE can make device capable of finding people. He can and has dealt with people more irrational then you average survivor. And given enough time he is capable of cyberwarfare.
These thing together are quite possible do to his experience in situations like this. Not exactly going to be a cakewalk considering the whole sneaking around like a rat for parts and all. But without immediate danger kicking down his door he’s got time to build.
Can Tony Stark survive the first 3 weeks? That’s the real question here.
Lets say he Skynet doesn’t know who he is initially. He’s just another human to slave labor/kill. So a T-6/700 is the most likely thing to pick up his trail. These are the bog standard grunts of the terminator universe tbh. And they’re known to be ‘dumb” lacking any true AI that gives it sentience when set to autonomous mode by Skynet. Leta-lone it’s inability to phone home so skynet would have no idea one gets picked off by a resistance member or just fell into a hole.
T-700s? Nah, they’re rank and file soldiers. Tony would notice a group of them coming, with their support, and hide.
T-800? Well he’d be near a resistance camp if he ran into one of those. Or maybe a Rogue unit, or a reprogrammed unit. (There are 8 well documented Reprogrammed 800 series terminators. Being either “Arnie bots” or others such as Cameron, Uncle Bob, Queeg or The Rogue). Still, not super likely.
Moving on…
Tony’s ability to “Jurry Rig” cannot be understated. The man can make friggin 32 bit processors with a pizza box and some push pins. (If I can make a 4 bit processor why can’t he make something a few magnitudes more complex?) So how hard would it be, honestly for him to make something that can give him the ability to disable a Terminator?
Now lets say he does that, now he has a bodygaurd. Now he can hunt terminators, with terminators. Now he has them doing things for him.
It’s simply a matter of him being able to stay alive long enough to write a virus, and someone introduce it to skynet. He doesn’t need his arc reactor for this even.
If Tony survives the first 2 weeks, he has it in the bag. Skynet isn’t what’s most likely to kill him, it’s nature.
Isn’t there the small problem of Food and water for Tony to contend with?