What If…The Borg assimilated the Doctor?

What If...The Borg assimilated the Doctor?

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How would the Star Wars universe respond?
What about Doctor Who’s universe?
What else would transpire?

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37 Comments on "What If…The Borg assimilated the Doctor?"

  1. Rookie November 5, 2014 at 6:40 am -      #1

    “How would the Star Wars universe respond?”

    Star Wars? Aren’t Borg from Star Trek universe?

    “What If…The Borg assimilated the Doctor?”

    I though such thing impossible due to Doctor’s nature…
    But I don’t know much about him.

  2. Jake_Uzumaki November 5, 2014 at 7:38 am -      #2

    that picture of the Doctor is from Nightmare in Silver, where the Nightmare in Silver Cybermen failed to assimilate the Doctor. They only managed to take 49% of his brain and even with the power of half a Time Lords brain they couldn’t stop him. The Borg would be lucky to control 10%.
    This isn’t even half a Star Trek episode, it’s the brief little snippet before the opening credits. NIS Cybermen make the Borg look like the stuff you find in cereal boxes. They fought a war that ended with the destruction of a galaxy. That left a noticeable hole in space.

    The Doctor trolls them for a few minutes, gets bored reminds them who he is since they clearly forgot since the last time he pwned them in his canon. Kisses the Borg Queen just to fuck with her and leaves. The next 45 minutes of the episode are devoted to stopping Missy aka the Master from genociding the Borg for daring to touch her Doctor with her army of Nightmare in Silver Cybermen further upgraded with Time Lord Tech (to what degree this changes things for them is unknown).

  3. Jake_Uzumaki November 5, 2014 at 7:43 am -      #3

    seriously though this
    latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com/2030/04/drwho-st04_cvra.jpg
    is canon to the Doctor Who universe..

  4. Soulerous November 5, 2014 at 8:08 am -      #4

    Yeah, I doubt the Star War universe would be affected much, since the Borg have this habit of staying within their own franchise. If the Doctor were assimilated I daresay he’d become a nigh-unstoppable leader.

  5. Jake_Uzumaki November 5, 2014 at 8:37 am -      #5

    For the Federation perhaps, the Borg wouldn’t be able to control him for very long if at all.

  6. Soulerous November 5, 2014 at 10:04 am -      #6

    Assimilated beings can remain independent of the Borg?

  7. Jolttra November 5, 2014 at 10:12 am -      #7

    Actually, a lot of people have broken free from Borg control. Literally thousands. There is a whole damn colony if I remember correctly.

  8. Tsubodai November 5, 2014 at 10:33 am -      #8

    The doctor’s mind>the borg collective. Seriously. They would need a huge chunk of their other drones working 24/7 just to keep him in line, let alone get anything out of him – and if they slip, even for a moment, it’s game over. He roflstomps through their collective consciousness and undoes assimilation’s mental control component, freeing every assimilated drone from their control.

    Of course, if we imagine for a single instant that the borg can fully control the doctor, then they become unstoppable. Within a year, the Q continuum themselves would be surpassed by the combination of borg efficiency and the near-infinite technological prowess of the timelords. It would be the time war all over again, with the nigh-omnipotents of star trek facing off against the nigh-omnipotent borg. And if/when the borg win that fight, who knows? Maybe star wars does end up feeling their wrath.

  9. Soulerous November 5, 2014 at 11:30 am -      #9

    Then I predict the Doctor taking down the Borg. A shame we can’t have a few TV episodes devoted to this.

  10. Jake_Uzumaki November 5, 2014 at 12:29 pm -      #10

    @Soulerous
    watch Nightmare in Silver, the most advanced version of the Cybermen to date, who were capable of waging a multi galaxy level war with a human imperium of 1000 galaxies if I remember right that ended with the destruction of a galaxy, try to assimilate the Doctor and the result is the above image of him and the Cyber Planner Mr. Clever having only 49% of the Doctor’s brain under his control. The Doctor not only held his own but actually outwitted the complete full processing power of the Cyberiad amped by half his own brain by bluffing the uber hive mind super computer that has access to his own mind.

    I don’t know if the Borg could handle seeing what knowledge the Doctor has though, it’s quite likely you’d suddenly see Borg heads exploding as they fail to comprehend it. Similar to what almost happened to Donna when she went Meta-Crisis, human anatomy not being able to contain the full knowledge of a Time Lord, Time Lord biology is tricky.

    That said if by some fluke they did manage to control him, it’s basically the equivalent of giving them god mode like Tsubodai said. Nothing short of the Q would stop them and well….after that…well see the Time Lords vs Q if you really want to get into that topic. Perhaps not as bad here but yeah.

    Basically the Doctor gets injected plays along for a while spins around on the Queen tells her to bugger off or else ports onto the Enterprise D because fuck physics and tells the Borg they can get the fuck out of Dodge or be annihilated. If the Borg value their existence they get the hell out of there, if not the Doctor activates some nasty anti Borg protocol he slipped in before he left and lets anyone capable of being freed safely be freed. Especially if this is Twelve, he’s the Honey Badger of Doctor incarnations. The Borg would tremble before his spoonmanship skills and attack eyebrows and despair.

  11. Guardian Dualgunner M1911A1 November 5, 2014 at 12:55 pm -      #11

    “A shame we can’t have a few TV episodes devoted to this.”

    I am happy about this actually; they would nerf the Doctor just for drama’s sake in a TV serial.

  12. Jake_Uzumaki November 5, 2014 at 1:01 pm -      #12

    Yeah, the Doctor is hax, he alters probability just by saying he’s going to do something. like throw a rubber ball at a wall so that it phases through the wall at a specific frequency, a probability so remote the universe would die before it came up…and proceeded to do it on the second or third throw.Lord knows what he could do with a box of scraped Trek tech just because he wanted to do something.

  13. Around999People November 5, 2014 at 1:29 pm -      #13

    Could the Doctor use the Borg to jump start the Time Lord civilization? They are biological, and he could give them his knowledge and turn them into time lords with the nanites. But I’m just being weird.

    ~~~

    I love reading the comments people make here, thank you all for making my day.

  14. Jake_Uzumaki November 5, 2014 at 2:10 pm -      #14

    just because it’s relevant here’s a quote from when the Timewyrm possessed the Doctor.

    Timewyrm Revelation:
    “Now, the viral creature was attempting to see the datascape as the Doctor saw it, constructing the area as a two-dimensional map, a simple pattern. This Time Lord, it decided, must have a real gift for approximation. The datascape extended into time as well as space, and the wetware (a human term meaning biological computer hardware – the Wyrm had liked the sound) it was housed in was threaded with symbiotic nuclei. These had defied analysis, a fact that, considering the Timewyrms resources, was equally astonishing. They were, as far as the being could fathom, atomic nuclei that somehow acted in an intelligent manner, coordinating the host’s nervous system on a hyperspatial level.

    The host, the Timewyrm was beginning to realize, was a lot more than a simple intelligence. The mere concept of memory in such a being was complex. Memories of the future, of alternate possibilities of tachyon-based fictional universes – there was the potential to access them all.”
    ——
    That is the kind of mind the Borg would be trying to bring under their control and the kind of cells the nanites would be interacting with…cells with sentient nuclei.

  15. Malenfant November 5, 2014 at 2:55 pm -      #15

    The Borg’s hivemind collapses into itself from the collective amount of information content that makes Culture Mind’s look pathetic found in the Doctor’s memory.

    “Of course, if we imagine for a single instant that the borg can fully control the doctor, then they become unstoppable. Within a year, the Q continuum themselves would be surpassed by the combination of borg efficiency and the near-infinite technological prowess of the timelords. It would be the time war all over again, with the nigh-omnipotents of star trek facing off against the nigh-omnipotent borg. And if/when the borg win that fight, who knows? Maybe star wars does end up feeling their wrath.”
    =
    Ha, you act like the Doctor would want to re-build the Time Lords- and that’s assuming he could in the first place. Also @Jake_Uzumaki the Human Empire was of three galaxies and several other stellar colonies IIRC, not one thousand. And the Q v. Time Lords is blisteringly easy to decide if you’re aware of all of their collective feats, it’s only the Q fanboy’s who bring their regurgitated nonsense to the board that may make it seem questionable.

  16. Jake_Uzumaki November 5, 2014 at 4:33 pm -      #16

    I thought they said Emperor of a thousand something or other in the episode.
    And I just meant it’s a clustefuck of a discussion if you get into that.

  17. Jake_Uzumaki November 5, 2014 at 4:36 pm -      #17

    that said the protocol for a single Borg is shoot it. their protocol for a single Cyberman is try and shoot it and if that fails mass scatter the planet with a bomb.

  18. Jake_Uzumaki November 5, 2014 at 5:01 pm -      #18

    just found the quote from the episode “PORRIDGE: Farewell, Cyberiad. You know, it was good to get away. Good to be a person and not to be lonely, or Emperor of a thousand galaxies with everyone waiting for me to tell them what to do. ”
    www.chakoteya.net/doctorwho/33-13.htm

  19. Jake_Uzumaki November 5, 2014 at 5:14 pm -      #19

    and here’s an actual video if that’s preferable www.dailymotion.com/video/x100fdz_doctor-who-2005-7×12-nightmare-in-silver-hdtv-xvid-afg_fun about 4:18-4:20 ish

  20. Jake_Uzumaki November 5, 2014 at 5:35 pm -      #20

    40:18-44:20 my bad on my phone now so can’t remember the exact time

  21. Malenfant November 5, 2014 at 6:24 pm -      #21

    That’s a prescriptive statement, not a descriptive one. No other version of humanity comes anywhere close to holding a thousand galaxies, and if they did they would likely have ran into Gallifrey, which the Doctor nor any other Time Lord has mentioned.

  22. Tsubodai November 5, 2014 at 7:08 pm -      #22

    @Malenfant:

    When i said it would be the time war all over again, i was still going by ‘if the borg could somehow control the doctor’ (I know they can’t). If they could though, they could build themselves into a civilization almost as powerful as the time lords were (surpass the Q).

    However, imagining the Q would go down easily is foolish – their personal powers far exceed those of the time lords, so it would be a decent fight as the borg build new technologies and the Q try to steal them or destroy them before they become active. Also, if you go to expanded universe star trek, the Q do time-travel and phase between realities with ease – they are far from pushovers.

  23. Ciridae Hunter November 5, 2014 at 7:09 pm -      #23

    Actually, there’s a whole thing in the later season that explains how the Doctor-with the help of 10 and the First-lock Gallifrey at the point before it is destroyed by using stasis technology that the Time Lords used mainly for art; the episodes later show that the Doctor had the opportunity to release Gallifrey from its stasis when he is called to pre-fucked Transilor due to a Time Lord transmission, which is basically saying “Hey Doc, if that’s you out there and it’s safe to get out then give us your name so we can know and get our asses out of here!”

    Sorry for the spoilers, but off the Doctor wasn’t so damn sympathetic then e would have been able to easily get Gallifrey back even if he had to fuck over Gallifrey’s enemies and the town of Christmas (his home for 300-odd years while protecting the rip in the universe that Gallifrey would lead out from).

  24. Malenfant November 5, 2014 at 7:33 pm -      #24

    “However, imagining the Q would go down easily is foolish – their personal powers far exceed those of the time lords,”

    Even high end showings are matched/outmatched by that of a sufficiently advanced TARDIS. The Doctor could build a TARDIS from scratch, and that assumes he doesn’t already have his own (which also has the Moment, giving him another huge boost right off the bat). He could simply create a closed-time circuit to effectively build everything within a few minutes, too. The Borg are useless as anything other than menial laborers, the Doctor is the only one who can fabricate the advanced technology necessary in even basic Time Lord tech.

    Also Ciridae he locked Gallifrey with the Key to Time and the Moment IIRC, not exactly that dimensionally transcendent stasis tech we saw.

  25. Jake_Uzumaki November 5, 2014 at 8:42 pm -      #25

    @Malefant
    True but this is Doctor Who we’re talking about, everything’s up to eleven in it, and hasn’t the Doctor said humans eventually become the most expansive species in the Whoineverse?

  26. Ciridae Hunter November 6, 2014 at 1:39 am -      #26

    I was wondering what it was called-thanks Malenfant.

    Also, you are the first person to call me Ciridae since I began posting here a few months ago so thank you for that as well.

  27. Aelfinn November 7, 2014 at 6:11 pm -      #27

    “NIS Cybermen make the Borg look like the stuff you find in cereal boxes.”

    I have a bit of a problem with this. One species’ war capacity does not equal its…assimilation capacity. The Cybermen, even with 49% of the Doctor’s brain, couldn’t figure out that the Doctor was lying when he said “I’ll win in three moves”. We have computers today that can figure out millions of board positions in a second, and the Cybermen only had to figure out 8000.

    electronics.howstuffworks.com/chess1.htm

    This shut down the entire species, as they had to use the processing power of every single cyberman to figure it out, and they still couldn’t. It should have been a fraction of a second between “I win in three moves” and the Cybermen saying “You are clearly lying, the mathematics say so.”

  28. Ciridae Hunter November 7, 2014 at 6:13 pm -      #28

    The Cybermen thought it was impossible, so they were distracted for just long enough for the Doctor to overload the programming in his brain-their processing power isn’t weak; it was just directed in the wrong place.

  29. Jake_Uzumaki November 7, 2014 at 6:31 pm -      #29

    I think your overlooking the fact that in this universe Time Lords invented chess. We don’t know what changes that fact has on chess in the Doctor Who universe, there could be ten billion times as many move variations to Doctor Who chess. We don’t know.
    Of course this is ignoring the fact that the Cyberplanner did call bullshit. He asked how incredulously 3 times, activated the 3 million Cybermen, Doctor calls it cheating, Cyberplanner says pulling in the local resources, scene of clara running, Cyberplanner calls bullshit, Doctor cheats and says advantage of local resources.

  30. Jake_Uzumaki November 7, 2014 at 6:39 pm -      #30

    Just to point out though, way back in the Episode Curse of Fenric the Doctor wins a chess game by turning his opponents pawn a blatantly illegal move in real world chess, however we have no idea if this is the case for Whoniverse chess.

  31. Jake_Uzumaki November 7, 2014 at 6:51 pm -      #31

    Plus if we want to get technical we could point out the fact that the writers apparently neglected to realize the Doctor actually did have an easy way to get mate in 6 moves and actually could have won fair and square by sacrificing his queen the way he did. So we can probably chalk it up to the writers not knowing chess very well.

  32. Ciridae Hunter November 7, 2014 at 7:04 pm -      #32

    Doubtful-since these are the same people writing Sherlock.

  33. Jake_Uzumaki November 7, 2014 at 8:04 pm -      #33

    True plus the Time Lords inventing chess thing has been hinted at in The Five Doctors episode where a Chess Board trap appears in the Tomb of Rassilon, and being mentioned in the Second Doctor Novel Dreams of Empire.

  34. Malenfant November 7, 2014 at 11:01 pm -      #34

    The Cybermen’s ace in the hole isn’t assimilation. In fact, it’s never been their ace in the hole, it’s literally simply their method of reproduction. What they actually do well comes from capability and adaptability.

    No matter how many planets you destroy, how many Cybermen you kill, they keep coming. The humans literally blew up a galaxy, and their standard protocol was to nuke a planet traces of Cybermen were found on. That didn’t stop them. In this respect, the Borg are merely outclassed.

    Moreover, the Borg are outclassed in firepower as well. There guns, for instance, amusingly can one-shot Borg drones themselves;

    imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/446x701q90/538/c0679a.jpg

    Their ship based weapons, also amusingly, can also steamroll Borg Cubes as well:

    i.imgur.com/bUGhlmr.jpg

    All in all, the Cybermen generally outclass the Borg, going by high showings.

  35. Darth Bombad November 8, 2014 at 11:53 pm -      #35

    And now [SPOILER WARNING]………. they can convert the dead, CyberZombies!!!.
    The Borg are completely outclassed by the Cybermen, but that’s beside the point.

    Like most have said they can’t assimilate him in the first place, but if they could.
    Then he’d easily conquer the galaxy, even the Q would fear him.
    The Doctor can stomp just about any universe he enters, as for the op.

    Star Wars?…..star wars?…STAR WARS!?! you dare confuse the two!!!.
    Unless you meant Star Wars than its cool…weird but cool, The Borg would get creamed
    by Star Wars, then The Doctor frees himself and hangs with Luke and co. for awhile.

  36. The Imperator November 10, 2014 at 1:31 pm -      #36

    @Malenfant: Did you get that from my Cybermen feats post on spacebattles.com? I’m glad to see the work I put in is useful.

  37. FezzesRCool11 November 13, 2014 at 5:22 am -      #37

    Yeah. The Doctor just DOESN’T get assimilated. If he somehow got 100% controlled, then both verses be fucked. In ST universe, Borg take over everything ever. In Doctor Who universe, everything breaks down. In The Big Bang the Doctor was ‘imprisoned’ forever and the result of that was shown to be that the universe just screwed itself over because the Doctor wasn’t there.

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