Protoss Vs Republic

Protoss Vs Republic

Suggested by MonkeyKingMahir

Takes place in a 20 galaxy dimension mix with resources for both sides.

Protoss (StarCraft) control 5 galaxies same as Republic (Star Wars).

Current incarnations both homeworld are in one of the five galaxies of each and fleets are within their galaxy limits at the start.

Which side wins?

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130 Comments on "Protoss Vs Republic"

  1. MonkeyKingMahir November 7, 2014 at 2:36 pm -      #101

    No I’m saying republic keeep their forces but the protoss population gets bumps ip to half of theirs and I didn’t know there was a limit to the post you can change rules sry and I’m doing it to make a more even match considering they outnumber the zerg and are more advanced I honestly don’t care who wins I just wanna request something that gets an FP award

  2. Jolttra November 7, 2014 at 3:06 pm -      #102

    “No the were talking about an elite zealot that was what was said pretty much a high ranking zealot and no one ever posted anything on blaster calcs so evidently no argument to where the commandos could even take down the zealots shield ”

    ….What? I have no idea what you said here. Halo is a different series all together so anything in thay context it useless. There have been a few calcs on Blaster power in other debates and the effects are devastating. In the Zealot debate it is even state they are easily stronger then a .50 cal by a very large margin. And if 3 or 4 Terran soldiers can take out a Zealot then 3 or 4 soldiers with Blasters could, too. This also doesn’t factor a New Republic soldier’s more powerful armament which includes; grenades, rocket launchers, ion cannons, flame projectors and vibro weapons.

    By boosting the Protoss you are making this a 2:1 game. Forgetting that this is past the 50 post rle, what does this accomplish? The Protoss are still vastly outnumbered and will be crushed by superior production as the war continues. No real argument has been made saying Protoss craft can fight the Republic equal in any capacity, especially in space. There is nothing to compare to NR Dreadnaughts. And the Protoss still have vastly inferior FTL travel. If you want a debate you need to find strengths and cover weaknesses, not just boost one side to an unfair level.

    “I honestly don’t care who wins I just wanna request something that gets an FP award”

    Firsy I suggest you do start caring. Second, if you want a FP reward your going to have to do a lot more research before you make a suggestion. And finally, the FP reward is over rated. Do you really want to be in the same category as Superman vs Master Chief? Seriously, how did that post get more the 20 comments?

  3. jackn8r November 7, 2014 at 4:31 pm -      #103

    “Take a look at the HOTS opening cinematic. See what you see in that army. Or, look up any other cutscene where a large zerg army is shown. You’ll see the same thing. There’s your source for my 70% zerglings estimate. if you don’t like my number, just replace it with ‘mostly’. The point stands – and if you watch pro replays, this is actually a pretty common strategy (but with vipers in the late game).”

    Pro replays and in game army composition are a result of how the economic system of the game works and the players ability to control the units. That doesn’t represent canon.
    Counter-examples? Look at the Char mission in WOL. Hydras were almost as common as Zerglings. Diversity varies a lot I would say.

    “Lol. No. It’s how they move their ships and units from orbit to the ground. It’s not how they FTL travel, which is what is being discussed.”

    …Yes it actually is. When units are warped in they’re not warped in from orbit they’re warped in from Aiur. It is their form of FTL. There was a whole mission in HOTS concerning this with warp conduits which helped ships without FTL teleport to Shakuras.

    “Protoss are fairly routinely beaten back by the Terrans. The Confederacy did it. The Sons of Korhol did it. The Dominion did it. The UED did it. The Zerg did it. The Zerg, which at their peak, were solo’d by half of the Dominion Fleet on their home planet (a few dozen Battlecruisers?)”

    I’m talking space combat. Not a regular occurrence at all there.

    “I’ve been meaning to ask, what weapons to the Protoss have that are TT level? I know they can reach that range, I’m just wondering exactly what weapons they have. Carriers don’t have weapons, unless you count that one extremely rare laser thing that is almost never used. So what weapons do they actually have?”

    That laser thing is precisely what’s being referred to. Aside from interceptors that is the only known weapon they use (which is used very often actually. All the time really.)

    “And if 3 or 4 Terran soldiers can take out a Zealot then 3 or 4 soldiers with Blasters could, too.”

    C-14 Gauss rifles are MUCH stronger than a blaster and fire much faster too.

    “The Protoss are still vastly outnumbered and will be crushed by superior production as the war continues. No real argument has been made saying Protoss craft can fight the Republic equal in any capacity, especially in space. ”

    Since when do numbers alone dictate wars? Need I point out like half of human military history? Production rate doesn’t mean as much as it normally would if what’s produced has a hard time competing and both sides have galaxies of resources to use.
    I’ve been making the argument for a while now about Protoss space ships vs Republic space ships. The Protoss ships are better.

    The scenario is a bit ridiculous though. A handful of galaxies? There won’t be much fighting going on. They’ll both exhaust good chunks of the galaxy building up armies and fleets before any meaningful fighting happens.

  4. GMoney November 7, 2014 at 4:54 pm -      #104

    “Since when do numbers alone dictate wars?”
    No one ever said they did, but when your outnumbered a million to 1 and your aren’t a Comic Book character numbers do matter.

  5. Aelfinn November 7, 2014 at 5:56 pm -      #105

    My responses may not be as thought-out as I would like. I’m running low on time, but I’ll see what I can do.
    =
    “^this, why you think I meant medieval armies I don’t know, I meant a modern troop carrying ship. You wouldn’t assume Britains entire navy only uses a 50 caliber weapon on even their battleships just because all you can verify is their transport. Why should we do that for any other faction in fiction?”
    =
    My example was to say this: every other EU source puts the turbolasers at much lower yields—–> bows and arrows. The ICS is ONE source that puts it much higher than everything else—-> the ONE picture of the knights with a 50-cal. There is no source that even supports them having anything bigger than a 50-cal, and trying to say they do would be supposition, much like saying the ICS indicates anything bigger than 200 gigatons on any ship.
    =
    “We have Leland Chee’s statement, though”

    If this was a year ago, this argument would hold more water (even then, I still disagreed with it). However, Chee’s statements now say “the whole EU is non-canon”, which over-rides any statement he may have made before. This means all the EU is now on the same canon level, and you have to deal with “barely lights forest on fire” along with “200 gigatons from one data book”. Which is why, as I have said before, I consider turbolasers in the high megatons to low gigatons.

  6. Jolttra November 7, 2014 at 6:55 pm -      #106

    “That laser thing is precisely what’s being referred to. Aside from interceptors that is the only known weapon they use”

    That doesn’t really answer my question. As far as we know this os the only weapon. And while devastating, there is no guarantee it can take out the powerful SW shields.

    As for the interceptors, Republic ships always carry fighter compliments and many fighters have their own hyperdrives. Really we should try debating fighters soon.

    “C-14 Gauss rifles are MUCH stronger than a blaster and fire much faster too.”

    I really can’t make an argument for RPM. But power is different. Blasters have been shown to be extremely devastating. Hans held blasters have been shown frying people in a single bolt, blasting trees in half, and leaving huge gaping holes in solid rock. They cause kinetic damage, extreme heat, and small explosive damage. It should also be noted that because of it’s size the C-14 is more comparable to the E Web heavy blaster, basically the SW equal to the the .50 cal.

    “I’ve been making the argument for a while now about Protoss space ships vs Republic space ships. The Protoss ships are better”

    But why? You’ve given no real reason why. Carriers have one known weapon. Nebulas have 100.not looking good for the Protoss.

  7. MonkeyKingMahir November 8, 2014 at 7:55 am -      #107

    Ships usually don’t need to carry 100 different weapons if one of the weapons gets the job done and if you had read super carrier and mother ships run through squadrons of battlecruisers in the blink of an eye without support from the other heavy hitters in there arsenal

  8. Jolttra November 8, 2014 at 12:16 pm -      #108

    “Ships usually don’t need to carry 100 different weapons if one of the weapons gets the job done”

    What works in one verse doesn’t always work against another. Those weapons are usually used against ships with no shield protection.

    “and if you had read super carrier and mother ships run through squadrons of battlecruisers in the blink of an eye without support from the other heavy hitters in there arsenal”

    And so can a New Republic Dreadnaught. Besides, Battlecruisers are not especially good designs. They have few weapons, relying entirely on the Yamato gun wich while powerful is also slow, and they are really small compared to SW ships. The Medusa-class is one of the biggest Battcruisers ever made and it’s only 560 meters across. That is a heavy support ship for the Republic.

  9. jackn8r November 8, 2014 at 11:14 pm -      #109

    “No one ever said they did, but when your outnumbered a million to 1 and your aren’t a Comic Book character numbers do matter.”

    What gives you that idea?

    “Hans held blasters have been shown frying people in a single bolt, blasting trees in half, and leaving huge gaping holes in solid rock. They cause kinetic damage, extreme heat, and small explosive damage. It should also be noted that because of it’s size the C-14 is more comparable to the E Web heavy blaster, basically the SW equal to the the .50 cal.”

    Right but Hans blaster isn’t the common Republic rifle. (DC-15 IIRC?)

    “But why? You’ve given no real reason why. Carriers have one known weapon. Nebulas have 100.not looking good for the Protoss.”

    That doesn’t matter. They could have a hundred thousand and it wouldn’t make a difference. If they weapons are inferior they’re inferior.
    Also, I have to point out that I’ve already said this:
    Perfect cloaking, time dilation, psionic storms the size of North America, planet glassing beams (that can pass through the whole planet to the other side,) better FTL (teleportation,) stronger shields (can take said glassing beams,) stasis fields, time travel, visual illusions (hallucinations,) and being able to read to future

    Motherships pack unknown weapons as well that beat planets. The Protoss have more than one weapon, and said weapon is still better than anything that’s been shown for Republic ships so far.

    “What works in one verse doesn’t always work against another. Those weapons are usually used against ships with no shield protection.”

    You’re just flat out wrong here. All Protoss ships have shielding and Terran Battlecruisers do as well. Where are you getting your info?
    Also this:
    “What works in one verse doesn’t always work against another.”
    Is a grasp at straws. Its a beam. If it doesn’t work then you might as well assume that no SW weapon will work.

    “Battlecruisers are not especially good designs. They have few weapons, relying entirely on the Yamato gun wich while powerful is also slow, and they are really small compared to SW ships. The Medusa-class is one of the biggest Battcruisers ever made and it’s only 560 meters across. That is a heavy support ship for the Republic.”

    More wrong information. Again, number of weapons doesn’t define the quality of a ship.
    Source on Yamato guns being slow? Because they certainly pack a punch. They’ve been known to knock out Carrier shields. The same shields that can take fire from other Carriers, and the same fire that’s used to blast through planets during purification.
    The Medusa class is actually the smallest class of BC not the largest, and other classes have been noted as up to 11km long. (Every figure the wiki uses is from one cinematic that conflicts with several other canon sources on size including other cutscenes.)

  10. GMoney November 8, 2014 at 11:17 pm -      #110

    So I’ve been reading some Protoss threads and is it just me or are book Protoss>>>>>>>>>>>>game Protoss?

  11. GMoney November 8, 2014 at 11:36 pm -      #111

    “What gives you that idea?”

    The fact that the army with the most numbers is shown to win more than 50% of the time throughout history… As for the firepower debate, if the average republic ship has 50 turbo lasers shooting 50 Gigaton shots, that’s 2.5 Teratons per volley. Now while the Protoss guns might be in the tens or hundreds (which I doubt) of Teratons and their shielding might be up to par The Republic can still swarm them and eventually knock down their shields and blow up the ship. Or just Storm the blockades around Protoss planets and blow them away.
    Also I’ve heard that the Yamoto gun shoots Teratons what’s the source for that?

  12. Jolttra November 9, 2014 at 12:54 am -      #112

    “Right but Hans blaster isn’t the common Republic rifle. (DC-15 IIRC?)”

    Yes, his blaster is not common. But tge DC-15 is stronger being a heavy rifle. And the New Republic uses A280 Blaster rifle, which is new and more powerful with emphasis on armor piercing. So it should be capable of far more damage.

    “That doesn’t matter. They could have a hundred thousand and it wouldn’t make a difference. If they weapons are inferior they’re inferior.”

    Ok, let’s say a carrier’s ain weapon does a Peteriton of damage. To really prove my point let’s use the 200 gigaton calc. The Nebula class has 40 turbolasers and 40 double turbolasers. 30 of each can fire forward. So in effect there are 90 weapons that can shoot forward. Each weapon can fire one bolt a sevond with each bolt worth 200 G. So in one minute that Nebula will pump out 1.08 Peteritons. Considering the Nebula and similar ships can survive heavy fire for almost an hour whilr the Cartier will be lucky to survive two direct hits, the Nebula has the advant. And this is using the low end calc for turnolasers and not counting the Ion Cannons or Concussion missiles to the mix.

    “Perfect cloaking, ”

    They can be detected with special scamners and I doubt thry could hide ftom force users.

    “time dilation”

    Extremely rare and limited

    “better FTL (teleportation,) ”

    Teleportation only works in certain situations and not more large groups. Otherwise they have to use Warp space, which is inferior to Hyperspace.

    “stronger shields”

    Just proved they are not.

    “time travel,”

    Since whem and to what capacity?

    “visual illusions (hallucinations,) and being able to read to future ”

    Both are Jedi and Sith abilities. So they are equalled.

    “Terran Battlecruisers do as well. Where are you getting your info?”

    starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Battlecruiser

    Here is a start. The only Terran ship with shields is thr Minotaut class, and even then that’s rare.

    “Also this:
    “What works in one verse doesn’t always work against another.”
    Is a grasp at straws. ”

    I was referring to the strategy. SC ships use one.big heavy hit to kill in one or two hit. SW ship use massive vollies of fire. In this case the vollies are superior.

    “Source on Yamato guns being slow? Because they certainly pack a punch”

    Yes, they do pack a punch. But they are still slow. Slow to fire, slow to move and very slow to recharge.

    starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Yamato_cannon

    “The Medusa class is actually the smallest class of BC not the largest, and other classes have been noted as up to 11km long.”

    Battlecruiser sized are still debated. The Horgon class (I said Meduca but ment Gorgon, easy mistake) is described as larger the the Behemoth class and Minotaur class. Those are the two most common class of Battcruiser. While there are claims of battlecruisers as large as 11 km, these are likely flagships and dreadnaught equivelents. And even then they are still smaller then thr Executor (19 km) and Viscount (17.5 km).

    I should mention there is also that one image going atound that shows all the unit sizes. It puts the Minotaur around 560 m and the Behemoth around 1,200 m.

    “(Every figure the wiki uses is from one cinematic that conflicts with several other canon sources on size including other cutscenes.)”

    Thr Gorgon was never in the games. So it’s size is canon. I never trusted the cutseen sizes anyway.

  13. jackn8r November 9, 2014 at 11:48 am -      #113

    “Yes, his blaster is not common. But tge DC-15 is stronger being a heavy rifle. And the New Republic uses A280 Blaster rifle, which is new and more powerful with emphasis on armor piercing. So it should be capable of far more damage.”

    Okay, so where’s your source for rifles blasting up trees and holes through rocks and stuff? Because www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF04jbj6J1c like every instance of clones firing I’ve ever seen does not produce results that can blast through trees with ease. In fact, sometimes it takes a few shots just to get through the Clone armor. Not particularly impressive. Every stray shot just fades into the ground it doesn’t tear up the terrain like you suggest.

    “Ok, let’s say a carrier’s ain weapon does a Peteriton of damage. To really prove my point let’s use the 200 gigaton calc. The Nebula class has 40 turbolasers and 40 double turbolasers. 30 of each can fire forward. So in effect there are 90 weapons that can shoot forward. Each weapon can fire one bolt a sevond with each bolt worth 200 G. So in one minute that Nebula will pump out 1.08 Peteritons.”

    You realize a petaton is 1000000 gigatons right? You’re math is incorrect.

    “Considering the Nebula and similar ships can survive heavy fire for almost an hour whilr the Cartier will be lucky to survive two direct hits, the Nebula has the advant. And this is using the low end calc for turnolasers and not counting the Ion Cannons or Concussion missiles to the mix.”

    I want to see proof of sustained fire from 90 turbolasers firing at 200 gigatons each with a shot per second for hours. That’s an outlandish claim. Also your math was off by a factor of 100.

    “They can be detected with special scamners and I doubt thry could hide ftom force users.”

    Yeah, and SC detection is practically magic and never explained. Also in lore the Protoss regularly cloak and disappear from Terran sensors. Protoss cloaking bends the light, and with units on board who have stronger Telikinetic and Telepathic abilities than Jedi/Sith, I doubt seeking them out with the force would work.

    “Teleportation only works in certain situations and not more large groups. Otherwise they have to use Warp space, which is inferior to Hyperspace.”

    Wrong on both accounts. Stop repeating assumptions I dispelled last page.

    “Just proved they are not.”

    With your hypothetical (not sourced) example that was off by a factor of 100? Nice.

    “Since whem and to what capacity?”

    Since always and unknown. I can’t really argue for it because it’s unknown but it’s a convenient asset even with little capacity of use.

    “Both are Jedi and Sith abilities. So they are equalled.”

    No, Jedi and Sith have precog. Big difference. Seeing into the far future (I forget the force power name) is rarely used by Jedi, and not used by Jedi in the Republic.

    ““Terran Battlecruisers do as well. Where are you getting your info?”

    starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Battlecruiser”

    Well? Did you even read it? Battlecruisers have very strong shields.

    The Behemoth-class is protected by standard neosteel armor and energy shields
    Minotaurs can be upgraded with a variety of tactical systems. This includes the Type-V
    Yamato cannon, energy shields
    Gorgons can withstand multiple Yamato cannon hits.
    By 2491 force fields could also be mounted on battlecruisers and wraiths

    So yeah, considering all BCs came after 2491 except the Behemoth (which still had shields,) you’re completely incorrect.

    “I was referring to the strategy. SC ships use one.big heavy hit to kill in one or two hit. SW ship use massive vollies of fire. In this case the vollies are superior.”

    Are you referring to in-game strategy? If you are then I should point out that that isn’t canon. If you aren’t, I suggest you grab some sources because that is not at all what Terran fleets do (hint they have space ships besides BCs.)

    “Yes, they do pack a punch. But they are still slow. Slow to fire, slow to move and very slow to recharge.”

    We see sustained fire in lore. In the game it takes 3 seconds to fire youtu.be/w8mmX9IjkhI?t=1m51s .
    It takes seconds to charge a Yamato. Don’t trust the wiki on everything.

    “Battlecruiser sized are still debated. The Horgon class (I said Meduca but ment Gorgon, easy mistake) is described as larger the the Behemoth class and Minotaur class. Those are the two most common class of Battcruiser. While there are claims of battlecruisers as large as 11 km, these are likely flagships and dreadnaught equivelents. And even then they are still smaller then thr Executor (19 km) and Viscount (17.5 km).”

    There are no flagship or dreadnought equivalents. How can you make such a guess without even knowing the context? You can scale Behemoths and Gorgons from cutscenes (as Sapper did) to be larger as well. I realize that they’re still smaller than an executor but I’m just pointing out they’re not as small as you or the wiki claim (notice how the SC wiki is a bit unreliable at this point? There’s too much conflicting canon in SC.)

    “I should mention there is also that one image going atound that shows all the unit sizes. It puts the Minotaur around 560 m and the Behemoth around 1,200 m.”

    Fan made.

    “Thr Gorgon was never in the games. So it’s size is canon. I never trusted the cutseen sizes anyway.”

    Doesn’t matter if you trust them they’re canon.

  14. Jolttra November 9, 2014 at 12:42 pm -      #114

    ” In fact, sometimes it takes a few shots just to get through the Clone armor. Not particularly impressive. Every stray shot just fades into the ground it doesn’t tear up the terrain like you suggest.”

    Clone armor is made from a super strong polymer and is specifically designed to survive blaster bolts. As for the terrain, this is probably because it would have taken too much time and effort to program it in. The A280 used by the New Republic is described as being strong enough yo tear a person in half and still kill another person behind him. Considering the nature of blasters this is extremely powerful.

    “You realize a petaton is 1000000 gigatons right? You’re math is incorrect.”

    200 x 90 = 18,000
    18,000x 60 = 1,080,000
    My math is correct. That is how much fire is put out in one minute by the turbolasers alone using the lower end 200 gigaton calc. If we go teritons, that is a whole other ball game.

    “Wrong on both accounts. Stop repeating assumptions I dispelled last page.”

    You didn’t dispell them.

    “You can scale Behemoths and Gorgons from cutscenes (as Sapper did) to be larger as well.”

    I could not find Sappers scaling. I found a scaling sayinf the Minotaurs with is just under a kilometer. While the class is longer then it is wide, that is still very far from the 11 km claim. I also found a forem claiming they are 700 meters, but this is likely fan made or out dated.
    -http://bankgambling.wikispaces.com/file/view/Battle_cruiser_width.jpg/155962327/Battle_cruiser_width.jpg
    us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2140450401

    Since you trust Sapper so much, lets look at his Yamato gun calc.

    BankGambling.wikispaces.com/file/view/YamatoHit3o3.jpg/155962505/YamatoHit3o3.jpg

    According to him, the Yamato can do 642 tt of damage in one second. This is lower then the 800 tt for turbolasers given in the ICS. Even if we nerf them down to a more sustainable 10 tt, times that by 90 and you once again overtake the Yamoto.

    A Yamato gun can take down a carrier in two shots. So thats 1.284 pt. Or about a minute and a half of sustained turbolaser fire from the Nebula at 200 g. At higher T ratings the Turbolasers will over take the Yamato damage in mere seconds. Ans again, this is not counting Ion Cannons or Concussion missiles.
    -

  15. Jolttra November 9, 2014 at 12:48 pm -      #115

    Don’t know why that first link didn’t upload. Here it is again

    BankGambling.wikispaces.com/file/view/Battle_cruiser_width.jpg/155962327/Battle_cruiser_width.jpg

  16. Jolttra November 9, 2014 at 2:54 pm -      #116

    Oh hey, I felt I should add this.

    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cloaking_device

    Cloaking in SW is just as effective, and they have numerous counters.

  17. jackn8r November 11, 2014 at 10:30 pm -      #117

    “The fact that the army with the most numbers is shown to win more than 50% of the time throughout history…”

    Correlation doesn’t imply causation.

    “Clone armor is made from a super strong polymer and is specifically designed to survive blaster bolts.”

    I remember Verpine Shatter Guns being an extremely effective weapon against clones. Explain how such an inferior weapon is effective but Terran gauss rifles wouldn’t be.

    “. As for the terrain, this is probably because it would have taken too much time and effort to program it in”

    Program an animation? BS excuse. If it’s not shown, it’s not canon.

    “The A280 used by the New Republic is described as being strong enough yo tear a person in half and still kill another person behind him. Considering the nature of blasters this is extremely powerful.”

    Also considering it’s not consistent with anything else it’s an outlier.

    “200 x 90 = 18,000
    18,000x 60 = 1,080,000
    My math is correct. That is how much fire is put out in one minute by the turbolasers alone using the lower end 200 gigaton calc. If we go teritons, that is a whole other ball game.”

    Where are you getting 60 from? From it being one minute and firing once a second? That still isn’t backed by anything you’ve given. That would be why I didn’t include it in my own calculation. (By the way, you haven’t backed up a single figure of this besides the 200 gigatons which is still up in the air considering how contested the ICS is.)

    “You didn’t dispell them.”

    Please read post 56.

    “I could not find Sappers scaling. I found a scaling sayinf the Minotaurs with is just under a kilometer. While the class is longer then it is wide, that is still very far from the 11 km claim. I also found a forem claiming they are 700 meters, but this is likely fan made or out dated.”

    “It is known as the Fujita Pinnacle-a complex mass of
    conflicting pressure systems and staggering updrafts that
    have created what is, in simple terms, a stationary,
    volatile vortex of immense size and unlimited life. It is
    four leagues wide and over twenty high. To give you a
    rough idea, its diameter is that of two battlecruisers
    placed end-to-end, and its height is twice that of the
    tallest superstructure on Tarsonis.”

    BC stated to be 2 leagues (11km) long. Once again though, there’s lots of conflicting canon. That doesn’t mean we take absolute low end, granted we can’t take the high end either.

    “Since you trust Sapper so much, lets look at his Yamato gun calc.”

    I don’t distrust Sapper, but I also don’t look at the calcs as absolute fact either. I just pointed out that he had done a scaling that I knew of.

    “According to him, the Yamato can do 642 tt of damage in one second. This is lower then the 800 tt for turbolasers given in the ICS. Even if we nerf them down to a more sustainable 10 tt, times that by 90 and you once again overtake the Yamoto.”

    You have not sourced a single thing you claim about teratons from a single SW ship, and I’m fairly certain you can’t come up with feats to back up that number either . Also, the teraton claim comes from the fact that a Yamato took out a Carrier’s shields which also withstood a purification beam making them arguably comparable in strength.

    “A Yamato gun can take down a carrier in two shots. So thats 1.284 pt. Or about a minute and a half of sustained turbolaser fire from the Nebula at 200 g. At higher T ratings the Turbolasers will over take the Yamato damage in mere seconds. Ans again, this is not counting Ion Cannons or Concussion missiles.”

    Considering a Yamato also only takes seconds…what’s your point? [Source needed for every feat you claim still.]

    “Cloaking in SW is just as effective, and they have numerous counters.”

    Wiki mentions the only viable sensor to overcome it being the gravfield trap which was not used by the Republic so they don’t have sensors.

  18. Jolttra November 11, 2014 at 11:19 pm -      #118

    img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080711173645/starwars/images/4/4b/Orbital_bombardment.jpg
    www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/cards/vehicles/044victory.jpg

    Here are two examples of blasts at least in the Gigatons. The second is especially large going all the way into space.

    starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/C-14_rifle
    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Verpine_shatter_gun

    Let’s do a side by side of these weapons. The C-14 os specifically described as being able to pierce up to twp inches of steel. Impressive. But useless in a verse with dura steel. Now, the VSG fires a miniscule round using magnets. It’s a railgun. The C-14 fires large 8mm rounds using powder. It’s just a basic gun like those used today. These weapons have nothing in common. If anything the C-14 is most like a slugthrower, which has never pierced any kind of Sw armor at any point in the EU.

    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Slugthrower

    “Where are you getting 60 from?”

    Check out the Infinity vs Malevolence debate. The clone wars series show the rpm around 1 shot a second. Actually it should be higher here since the New Republic developed turbolasers thay fire 3x faster.

    “Considering a Yamato also only takes seconds…what’s your point? ”

    Were is your source?

    “Wiki mentions the only viable sensor to overcome it being the gravfield trap which was not used by the Republic so they don’t have sensors.”

    This is the New Republic. They had tons of Seperatice tech as the Rebellion. And they have fought stealth vehicles used by the Empire. They know how to fight stealth.

    Yeah, I looked at #56. You didn’t prove that their teleportation isn’t limited. Infact, you proved it is. And you showed them using War Space to travel. So…. what is your point?

  19. GMoney November 11, 2014 at 11:52 pm -      #119

    @Jackn8r
    Are you guys just arguing over firepower or are you debating that the Protoss can win?

  20. Jolttra November 12, 2014 at 12:13 am -      #120

    I’m debating the for the Republic and he’s for the Protoss. And while firepower is a big part of it other stuff, like ftl speed and infantry weapons, are part of the debate.

  21. GMoney November 12, 2014 at 12:19 am -      #121

    The Protoss drown in a horde of Republic gunships. They are literally outnumbered 1 million to 1. Yes they have greater firepower but not by a big enough margin.

  22. PrimusxPilus December 17, 2014 at 6:01 pm -      #122

    Protoss could also mindrape crews into fighting their allies, could psionic storm the shit out of every craft, freeze them in time, shoot a laser that punches through planets, etc. Just for lulz port dark templar onto ships.

  23. Jolttra December 18, 2014 at 8:01 pm -      #123

    “Protoss could also mindrape crews into fighting their allies, could psionic storm the shit out of every craft, freeze them in time, ”

    Jedi can mind rape back, but at far greater range. High ranking Jedi like Luke can create Force storms, make stars explode, and control black holes. That freeze time thing makes the victims indestructible.

    “shoot a laser that punches through planets,”

    We were talking about that exact thing earlier. Those weapons are likely rare and slow to fire. And exactly how much power they would do in tonage compared to turbolasers, which are faster firing and far more common.

    “Just for lulz port dark templar onto ships.”

    I don’t think teleportation works that way. This is also assuming the various automated defenses miss them and what ever Jedi are around don’t sense them.

  24. PrimusxPilus December 18, 2014 at 10:17 pm -      #124

    Proof of range, since you know, it’s been a established that mook zealot > standard Jedi across the board. Then you get into High Templar, Archons, Dark Archons, etc. I’m not even getting into “heroes” like Luke or Kerrigan.

    Where was it shown that beam was slow to fire? I saw you calculate it IF EVERY GUN HIT ONE spot. Is every gun in ONE Friggin spot? Besides one beam that puts all that energy into a localized spot at once>a bunch of smaller blasts. Think military TOW missile vs machine gun fire.

    I’m to accept your assumption? Besides how many Jedi do you have? EVERY Protoss is a Jedi+ Their “grunts”have to train to not psionic storm the shit out of their environment

  25. GMoney December 18, 2014 at 10:57 pm -      #125

    @Primus
    I don’t think you understand how outnumbered the Protoss are. The Protoos currently have 11 documented worlds, and I gave them 50 for the benefit of the doubt. They are still outnumbered 1 million to 1. Not only that, but base Protoss do not create psionic storms and most high templar’s psionic storms only affect a couple meters around the Protoss using it. The only people capable of Ship killing and Continent busting Psionic Storms are Archons and Kerrigan.

  26. Jolttra December 18, 2014 at 11:26 pm -      #126

    “Proof of range, since you know, it’s been a established that mook zealot > standard Jedi across the board. ”

    First up I want to say I do not agree with that assessment and chalk it up to this site’s bais against Star Wars. Second, there are many examples of Jedi using their powers lightyears away. Luke could mind fuck a guy from half way across the Galaxy.

    “Where was it shown that beam was slow to fire? ”

    Were is it not? If it’s anything like the Yamato gun it will take at least a minute to recharge before the next shot..

    ” I saw you calculate it IF EVERY GUN HIT ONE spot. Is every gun in ONE Friggin spot? Besides one beam that puts all that energy into a localized spot at once>a bunch of smaller blasts. Think military TOW missile vs machine gun fire.”

    Not one spot. One target. And I think 120 .50 cals would do just fine compared to a single tow missile. Of cource based on the power output this is more like 120 90 mm guns vs one 120 mm.

    “Besides how many Jedi do you have?”

    At the time of the New Republic, 100-200 Jedi Masters and thousands of Knights and Padawans.

  27. Warlock Lowk December 19, 2014 at 12:31 am -      #127

    “make stars explode”

    Who force exploded a star?

  28. Jolttra December 19, 2014 at 1:11 am -      #128

    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Supernova_%28Sith_magic%29

    Made a bit of a mistake. It’s actually a Sith technique so it probably won’t be used in this battle. But it still shows that the Force maximum is far greater then the Psionic maximum.

    Also, Primusx. When I was makimg those calculations I was using turbolasers only. The Nebula used in the examples also has Ion Cannons and Capital grade Concussion missiles. So really it’s one Tow missile vs 120 .50 cals, 20 Grenade Launchers and 8 Bazookas.

  29. PrimusxPilus December 19, 2014 at 1:49 am -      #129

    @Jolttra
    It’s not bias against star wars rather than not accepting wank.

    You AGAIN go to Luke who is your god tier hero. I’m talking standard ppl but go ahead and ignore the fact I said mook vs mook.

    One spot, ONE target, same point. One big ass beam is going to wreck better than a bunch of little ones unless you’re going for collateral/saturation.

    @Gmoney
    I know the numbers game sucks but they can build up a war machine. As to your range on psionic storms, I never said a base zealot could cover a large area, but they CAN create storms by NOT focusing to not. That’s the thing. Zealots are the neophytes training. Please don’t go off of game mechanics.

  30. Jolttra December 19, 2014 at 1:14 pm -      #130

    “It’s not bias against star wars rather than not accepting wank.”

    This site has Star War lose to Halo. Maybe it’s not you personally but there is a pretty big Bias against SW here.

    ” I’m talking standard ppl but go ahead and ignore the fact I said mook vs mook.”

    To that end yeah, a basic no name low level Protoss will probably beat a basic no name low level Jedi. But top tier vs top tier the Jedi are superior. Plus the Protoss are going to have to worry more about the soldiers who are much more dangerous them the Terran soldiers and far more plentiful.

    “One spot, ONE target, same point. One big ass beam is going to wreck better than a bunch of little ones unless you’re going for collateral/saturation.”

    Yes, one really big beam will cause more damage. At least at first. But a huge volume of fire can and in this case will over take it. Remember that both these ships have shields. If the attack does not get threw on the first shot, and it most likely won’t, then the Protoss craft is now powerless as it waits to recharge. Meanwhile the enemy ship is pumiling it with fire taking down the shields and quickly destroying the craft. And even if that one shot is enough to destroy a SW ship in one shot, what is it gping to do about the 10 other ships that are sure to be supporting it?

    “I know the numbers game sucks but they can build up a war machine. ”

    A war machine means nothing if it can’t hold out.

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