Super Smash Bros Vs Mortal Kombat

Super Smash Bros Vs Mortal Kombat

Suggested by LividStarcraftFan

For this universe fight, we have all the characters from Super Smash Bros Brawl going up against all of the characters from the Mortal Kombat franchise.

Current incarnations.

Fight starts in Paris, France.

Which side wins?

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181 Comments on "Super Smash Bros Vs Mortal Kombat"

  1. Friendlysociopath October 29, 2014 at 10:35 am -      #1

    Are Smash Bros feats allowed? Some characters like Dedede don’t have much to go off of without it.

  2. nsl98 October 29, 2014 at 10:42 am -      #2

    Can’t Sonic speed blitz?

  3. Rookie October 29, 2014 at 10:44 am -      #3

    I need more info about team 2, but for now I think that team 1 wins here.

  4. Commander Cross October 29, 2014 at 10:44 am -      #4

    I knew this kind of match was gonna happen sooner or later, though oddly enough rather than a full-blown Universe War, I thought people would have asked which game was better at an Overall basis and all that jazz.

    Also, Mewtwo returns next year, guys and ghouls.

  5. Ellie Williams October 29, 2014 at 10:53 am -      #5

    This is worse than my PSASBR Vs Smash suggestion.

  6. Friendlysociopath October 29, 2014 at 10:55 am -      #6

    “This is worse than my PSASBR Vs Smash suggestion”

    That actually wouldn’t have been so bad had you restricted it to just one version of Smash Bros.

    That said, Samus roflstomps most (If not all) of Mortal Combat universe in firepower, Sonic speedblitzes most (If not all) of Mortal Combat universe, and Palutena is omnipotent. This is slaughter.

  7. MonkeyKingMahir October 29, 2014 at 10:59 am -      #7

    I don’t know any specific for MK but they have some pretty good feats of their own I’m just waiting for people that support MK to get on

  8. Rookie October 29, 2014 at 11:01 am -      #8

    @Friendlysociopath

    “That said, Samus roflstomps most (If not all) of Mortal Combat universe in firepower, Sonic speedblitzes most (If not all) of Mortal Combat universe, and Palutena is omnipotent. This is slaughter.”

    Ah, so it seems that MK lacks in some things here.
    Team 1 for FP award.

  9. MonkeyKingMahir October 29, 2014 at 11:06 am -      #9

    Stomps aren’t included I thought

  10. Mea quidem sententia October 29, 2014 at 11:07 am -      #10

    If by current incarnation that means characters in their canonical form, then SSBB takes this. (I could very well be speaking from ignorance.) Sonic and Samus are the fastest in team one (T1), followed by Captain Falcon, who can achieve Mach 1 with his vehicle. All three can kill by speed alone.

    Sonic can also manipulate time to his advantage. Samus has extreme firepower, especially her plasma beam (In Metroid Prime) should reach in excess of 3,000 centigrade. Of course, 2D games may be a non-neutral plasma. (Directed-energy weapon?) And power bombs (14.28 tons of TNT).

    I’ll take OriginalA’s word on time control with Link, if we’re using that incarnation. Otherwise, OoX Link’s ember seeds might come in handy if we’re using that one.

    Ganondorf’s defense (presumably from dark energy or something) could come in handy. He could be difficult to take down without powerful attacks. (Not saying he has Superman defense.)

    Kirby has Crash, which kills everyone on-screen. Not sure about boss. Probably not. If Pikachu can summon lightning, then he’ll have bolts of plasma reaching up to 224,000 mi/h and temperatures of 30,000 centigrade.

    So, yeah.

  11. Rookie October 29, 2014 at 11:11 am -      #11

    @MonkeyKingMahir

    “Stomps aren’t included I thought”

    factpile.com/180-master-chief-vs-superman/

  12. MonkeyKingMahir October 29, 2014 at 11:50 am -      #12

    But that went on for 197 posts we are on 12

  13. Rookie October 29, 2014 at 12:05 pm -      #13

    @MonkeyKingMahir

    “But that went on for 197 posts we are on 12”

    Give this match some time and it might reach this number too.

  14. pimpmage October 29, 2014 at 12:06 pm -      #14

    Just sayin, there is a dude on mortal kombat that can mimic other people’s armor, bodies, and powers. He is a mimic.
    And there it’s shao kahn who will stun lock you with his cheap ass moves. Fuck that guy!

  15. JoshMcFace October 29, 2014 at 12:20 pm -      #15

    MK’s best bet would be all that interdimensional soul-fuckery. Lack speed, though.

  16. Soulerous October 29, 2014 at 12:26 pm -      #16

    JoshMcFace, you’ve come back from the nether realm. What a pleasant surprise.

  17. BigBand45 October 29, 2014 at 12:33 pm -      #17

    Technically Arceus is in SSB so he solos

    but if he doesn’t count donkey solos with moon punching

  18. Jake_Uzumaki October 29, 2014 at 12:58 pm -      #18

    What if Kirby eats Shang Tsung…whose the mimic other peoples powers person…and mimics his powers? paradox?

  19. pimpmage October 29, 2014 at 2:08 pm -      #19

    In the ssb game, a Kirby swallowing another that is disguised doesn’t make the first Kirby wasn’t different. But hey, that’s game mechanics. Team 2’s best hope is shang stale mating samus or something. Does samus have the firepower to hurt herself?

  20. Cassie Hack October 29, 2014 at 2:17 pm -      #20

    It’d be more if Kirby ate Shang Tsung… and mimicked Shang Tsung’s powers which is mimicking other people’s powers.

  21. Cassie Hack October 29, 2014 at 2:21 pm -      #21

    Samus isn’t the only one they would have to worry about though. Not when SSB also has Megaman, Pit, Dark Pit, Sonic, etc.

  22. pimpmage October 29, 2014 at 2:28 pm -      #22

    I am just trying to play devils advocate here. To see if or is possible for shang to put up some sort of fight here.

  23. brosky October 29, 2014 at 2:36 pm -      #23

    this is really one sided smash bros has the full triforce, two gods, pokemon including three mega evolutions, and samus and sonic just for good measure.
    smash slaughters.
    at least we’d get great palutana commentary during the battle.

  24. Epicazeroth October 29, 2014 at 2:39 pm -      #24

    @Rookie: This site used to have a heavy bias towards Awarding anything with big-name characters — notably MC or Supes.
    ===
    This is a bad time for this match. In another few months, MK might have a better chance, with MKX coming out. But right now, SSB stomps (assuming non-SSB feats are allowed).

  25. Rookie October 29, 2014 at 2:46 pm -      #25

    @Epicazeroth

    “This is a bad time for this match. In another few months…”

    We can always come back to this match though.

  26. Mea quidem sententia October 29, 2014 at 4:09 pm -      #26

    Jesus, it’s JoshMcFace!

    I’m notcing people mentioning SSBS characters, but the set-up says SSBB.

  27. Jake_Uzumaki October 29, 2014 at 4:19 pm -      #27

    SSB Mega Man can summon every version of Mega Man to shoot lasers as his final Smash so does that mean all those Megamen count in this match too?

  28. Alpha or Omega October 29, 2014 at 4:48 pm -      #28

    Even going by Brawl’s roster instead of 3DS/WiiU(Where they have Shulk and Rosalina in that roster), the Smash Bros side takes this easily. With Sonic, Samus, and Pit.
    /
    The only people that comes to mind that could possibly damage Samus significantly is Raiden(only for his self-destruct) and maybe Onaga.
    Note, damage, not kill.
    This is aside from the fact that her ZeroMission/Super/OtherM/Fusion’s power bomb was re-calculated to be around 450 tons of tnt which Samus’s suit can tank and dish out.
    This is aside from the fact that the omega cannon shows that she’s on this level
    And, with the speed booster, she can reach super sonic speeds.
    With these two upgrades and her current suit, she can just run around and shoot or ram all of Mortal Kombat, lay power bombs, take no damage from anyone not Raiden, or dodging Raiden’s attacks.
    /
    While Onaga and Raiden have a slight chance on harming Samus, they have no chance at all against Sonic the Hedgehog due to the fact that he’s practically untouchable and durable.
    He can go at mach 5(Sonic Adventure) and has been getting faster as time goes on. In Sonic Chronicles the Dark Brother Hood, Omega noted that if Sonic were to keep improving his speed, he would reach the speed of light which shows he’s significantly faster than mach 5.
    This is his base form and ignoring his super form or power ups that allow him to go at the speed of light and slow and stop time.
    Sonic would be bull rushing and speed blitzing Mortal Kombat while MK can’t do anything about it.
    /
    While Pit isn’t as durable as Samus or Sonic, this doesn’t change the fact that he’s more durable than anyone on Mortal Kombat except Onaga
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oAoZ5r9I18#t=1137
    With powers and his weapons, he can turn Mortal Kombat into eggplants or fired shrimp or just give them instant death.
    /
    This is ignoring the Triforce strategy where Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf go buddy-buddy and making the triforce to instant win for Smash Bros.
    /
    @Pimpmage
    ShangTsung has to take part of Samus’s soul in order to transform into Samus.
    This is ignoring that Samus’s suit has blocked intangible dead ghosts such as the Chozo ghosts and the ghosts on the ruined ship in Super Metroid.
    Even if Shang manages to get pass that and take some of her soul, he has never shown to replicate Samus’s power suit which is very alien and foreign in comparison to Lin Kuei.
    Even if Shang manages to replicate Samus’s suit, he has to maintain it with vast amount of will power constantly.
    /
    Also, if he tries this on Sonic, he would miss due to the fact that, well, Sonic is 2fast4 him.
    /
    @Friendlysociopath
    Palutena’s not omnipotent and even if she was, she’s not allowed here since this specifically states Brawl’s roster.

  29. Friendlysociopath October 29, 2014 at 5:08 pm -      #29

    “Palutena’s not omnipotent and even if she was, she’s not allowed here since this specifically states Brawl’s roster.”

    Eh, I was going off the wiki. Pit summons her for his final smash though so wouldn’t she still be here?

    Don’t forget DK can knock his moon out of orbit.

  30. Alpha or Omega October 29, 2014 at 5:46 pm -      #30

    I’m not sure about what to say about Final Smashes including characters.
    Normally, I’m pretty sure in fighting games we use only playable characters to debate.

  31. Sauroposeidon October 29, 2014 at 6:05 pm -      #31

    She IS in Smash Bros. So she’s definitely fighting on their side..

  32. Mea quidem sententia October 29, 2014 at 6:16 pm -      #32

    She is in SSB Wii U, not SSBB, which is what we’re using.

    AoO, where did you get the 450 ton TNT calc?

    Also, if no one has seen it in the Samus respect thread, I mentioned that Samus’ spee booster llows her to run at least Mach 2 on the low-end. The manuals say “supersonic speeds”, not “speed”. If the manual said “supersonic speed”, we could only settle for Mach 1.2. Since it says “speeds”, this indicates more. So Mach 2 is Samus’ top speed..

    Samus’ speed plus the speed of her weapons using relative velocity would mean the speed of her weapons plus her supersonic speed puts them above Mach 2.

  33. nsl98 October 29, 2014 at 6:17 pm -      #33

    It says Super Smash Bros. Brawl though. Not that it matters, the Kombat Krew is screwed.
    Edit: ninja’d

  34. Alpha or Omega October 29, 2014 at 6:46 pm -      #34

    “AoO, where did you get the 450 ton TNT calc?”
    /
    I got it from you.
    When I said the powerbomb in Super/OtherM/Fusion’s version had a greater radius than the ones in the Prime version. You said if it was 30 meters, it was in the kt range. I think I disagreed with 30 meters and then you settled for 20 meters which made it around 450 tons of tnt.
    We can see the range of the power bomb’s Metroid Fusion’s Quarantine Bay where its destruction far exceeds 20 meters for the diameter as we see the explosion had reached outside of the room.
    There’s also the room where you fight the Metroid Queen in Metroid Other M and the powerbomb’s explosion covers the entire room which is wider than 20 meters.
    /
    Also, I have a question Mea.
    The power bomb has a vacuum in its explosion since we see x-parasites being sucked by it. How powerful would an explosion need to be to have a vacuum?
    /
    Edit: On the third page of the respect thread, the bottom of your 5th post says this.
    “If I do this again, but replace 10 m. with 20 m., since this is the next step up for the radius in-game, 456.98 tons of TNT.”

  35. Ragnorke October 29, 2014 at 6:52 pm -      #35

    Atleast half the characters in the MK roster are capable of teleportation / instant displacement. However, that doesn’t help with their reaction times.

    Samus can tank a Nuke right? there’s no way anyone in MK can hit that hard, unless we include Elder Gods… who are sorta featless…
    I’ll look around for some magic artifacts (assuming we allow none standard gear for MK)

    Mimicing Samus won’t help, since she can’t hit anywhere near as hard as what she can take.
    However…. Would she be effected by Soul fuckery? since there’s at least 5 characters that can do that.

    Also, I’m 99% sure atleast one character in MK has time Manipulation, which would help deal with the speedblitz.

  36. Sauroposeidon October 29, 2014 at 7:00 pm -      #36

    “he is in SSB Wii U, not SSBB, which is what we’re using.”

    Oh, well, she’s in that too, so, I suppose she still counts. She’s just not a major factor for some reason.

  37. Darth Bombad October 29, 2014 at 7:13 pm -      #37

    If we include absolutely everything Mortal Kombat than this could be a fight.
    Because then they’d have Superman, Kratos, Freddy Kruger etc.

  38. Friendlysociopath October 29, 2014 at 7:15 pm -      #38

    “If we include absolutely everythyng Mortal Kombat than this could be a fight.”

    Please no

  39. Alpha or Omega October 29, 2014 at 7:17 pm -      #39

    @Ragnorke
    “Atleast half the characters in the MK roster are capable of teleportation / instant displacement. However, that doesn’t help with their reaction times.”
    /
    Not all of their teleportation isn’t instant however and Super Smash Bros Brawl has teleportation as well. Some are instant while others are not though.
    /
    “Samus can tank a Nuke right? there’s no way anyone in MK can hit that hard, unless we include Elder Gods… who are sorta featless…
    I’ll look around for some magic artifacts (assuming we allow none standard gear for MK)”
    /
    Only playable characters are being used.
    Besides that, non of the characters or items in Mortal Kombat have anything matching the omnipotent Triforce which Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf have a piece of.
    /
    “Mimicing Samus won’t help, since she can’t hit anywhere near as hard as what she can take.”
    /
    Actually, she can with her higher end weapons.
    But Shang Tsung hasn’t exactly shown the ability to mimic Chozo tech.
    Furthermore, ShangTsung has to take part of her soul to in order mimic her and Samus’s suit runs on Samus’s will power. Something Shang doesn’t have.
    /
    “However…. Would she be effected by Soul fuckery? since there’s at least 5 characters that can do that.”
    /
    As I said before, her shields can block Chozo ghosts. Their scans states that the ghosts are spectral and that you can’t hit them with natural energies. Mortal Kombat’s only soul fuckery is soul steal which requires them to bring souls out from bodies which Samus’s suit would block her soul from leaving since she can block spirits.
    /
    “Chozo Ghost. Spectral entity. Bioelectric field invulnerable to natural energies.
    As these entities phase in and out of existence, the only way to track them accurately is with x-ray scanning. This partially phased nature makes them invulnerable to natural energy types, such as fire, ice, and electricity. Their aggressive and erratic behavior is most likely due to the corrupting effects of Phazon in the Tallon IV environment. They appear to be drawn to Chozo religious sites, where they wreak havoc upon anything that dares enter the area.” (Metroid Prime scan data)
    /
    Aside from the scan saying their spiritual intangibility, Chozo ghosts show this in gameplay by moving through solid objects, have missiles, explosions, and beams go through their bodies without ill-effect.
    Samus’s suit can block these spirits and her suit should allow her to block her soul from leaving her body since her suit blocks spirits.
    Also, their soul steal takes a while.
    /
    “Also, I’m 99% sure atleast one character in MK has time Manipulation, which would help deal with the speedblitz.”
    /
    Taven has one but that’s his super move which has limits whereas as long as Sonic has the chaos emeralds, he can stop time as long as he wants or time travel.
    Likely, Sonic would blitz all of Mortal Kombat before they can move.

  40. Darth Bombad October 29, 2014 at 7:23 pm -      #40

    Samus can tank a nuke right? buuuut smoke can do This!.

    So yeah….that happened.

  41. Alpha or Omega October 29, 2014 at 7:25 pm -      #41

    @Darth Bombad
    “If we include absolutely everything Mortal Kombat than this could be a fight.
    Because then they’d have Superman, Kratos, Freddy Kruger etc.”
    /
    Superman appeared in Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe representing DC’s side, not Mortal Kombat as a guest character.
    /
    Kratos would be defeated just like it was back in PS-All Stars and Freddy could be willed into non-existence by the Triforce.
    /
    “Samus can tank a nuke right? buuuut smoke can do This!.”
    /
    Which would kill both sides…Assuming Sonic doesn’t teleport his friends out of there.

  42. pimpmage October 29, 2014 at 7:30 pm -      #42

    Wow, smoke just blew up the earth death star style! If he can be protected long enough…

  43. Darth Bombad October 29, 2014 at 7:36 pm -      #43

    Mortal Kombat vs DC is considered weirdly apart of the main numbered series.
    As evidenced by Mortal Kombat 9 and Mortal Kombat X. (roman numeral ten)
    And beside SSMB is busting out Sonic and Mega Man give MK a little lee way.

    And oh look Cyrax can do it too.

  44. Alpha or Omega October 29, 2014 at 8:03 pm -      #44

    “Mortal Kombat vs DC is considered weirdly apart of the main numbered series.
    As evidenced by Mortal Kombat 9 and Mortal Kombat X. (roman numeral ten)
    And beside SSMB is busting out Sonic and Mega Man give MK a little lee way.”
    /
    Here’s the thing though.
    Super Smash Bros is specifically a giant mascot crossover free-for-all fighting game featuring characters from each game.
    Whereas Mortal Kombat is a regular fighting game using original characters.
    Super Smash Bros is specifically meant to be a crossover while Mortal Kombat isn’t.
    /
    This is equivalent to say PS-All Stars vs Street Fighter
    PS-All Stars have characters the belonging to other franchises and this is because its specifically a crossover fighting game.
    Street Fighter, however, isn’t a cross over fighting game but it has crossovers with other Capcom games, SNK, Marvel, Namco and Sega but Street Fighters don’t have these characters in the match and they have their own characters.

  45. Ragnorke October 29, 2014 at 8:23 pm -      #45

    First things first, DC is NOT a part of MK. And the fights that occured in MK vs DC were al bullshit & not canon.

    @AoO
    “Not all of their teleportation isn’t instant however and Super Smash Bros Brawl has teleportation as well. Some are instant while others are not though.”

    Teleportation by its very nature IS always instant travel.
    However, if you read my statement carefully, i specifically mentioned how their reaction time is still a factor.
    Characters like Raiden & Scorpion can teleport almost instantly, whereas others take 0.5-1.5 seconds.

    “Besides that, non of the characters or items in Mortal Kombat have anything matching the omnipotent Triforce which Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf have a piece of.”

    I suggested MK get artifacts to balance the match.
    And you’re saying SSB should get an omnipotent artifact? Really? Since when is the triforce even a part of SSB?
    Anyhow, this is for lividstarcraft fan to decide.

    “Actually, she can with her higher end weapons”

    Samus can hit harder than a Nuke? am i missing something, or are you just wanking?

    “As I said before, her shields can block Chozo ghosts. Their scans states that the ghosts are spectral and that you can’t hit them with natural energies.”

    I wouldn’t say Spectral Ghosts share Elemental Compatibility with Soul Sucking attacks. Not all non-physical things are the same.
    If something is good at defending against intense heat, is it just as good against electric currents or x-rays?

    More proof is required to suggest Samus can block soul fuckery please.

    “Samus’s suit can block these spirits and her suit should allow her to block her soul from leaving her body since her suit blocks spirits.”

    This is complete bullshit for the reason stated above.
    AND how does that stop her soul from being moved around in her body?
    It would only need to be moved a millimeter out of her body to kill her, and her suit most certainly isn’t skin tight.

    “Taven has one but that’s his super move which has limits”

    Super moves are a gameplay mechanic. Characters can use all moves whenever.

    “Sonic has the chaos emeralds, he can stop time as long as he wants or time travel”

    Is this standard equipment for him?

    “and Freddy could be willed into non-existence by the Triforce.”

    The trifroce isn’t in this match. Stop fucking mentioning it.
    Freddy is otherwise immortal btw.

    “Which would kill both sides…Assuming Sonic doesn’t teleport his friends out of there.”

    1. Where would sonic teleport to? and since when can Sonic teleport anyways?
    2. Scorpion can take others to the Netherrealm instantly.

  46. Ragnorke October 29, 2014 at 8:27 pm -      #46

    So MK has multiple characters with planet-busting firepower… And multiple characters that can teleport in and out of different realms to survive said explosion.

    Mortal Kombat for the BankGambling Award.
    Suck it Supersmash bros.

    And for the record, didn’t Blaze have the power to destroy all reality? Meaning all the realms?

  47. Rhododendron October 29, 2014 at 8:49 pm -      #47

    so how fast is mks rt(as I’m assuming sonic is on smash’s side)
    ——–
    are dlc characters included aswell?(freddy,kratos, mewtwo, etc)

  48. Ragnorke October 29, 2014 at 8:52 pm -      #48

    “so how fast is mks rt”

    Bullet timing-ish… Some might be higher.

    “are dlc characters included aswell?(freddy,kratos, mewtwo, etc)”

    I don’t see why not. They’re all playable characters.

  49. Alpha or Omega October 29, 2014 at 8:53 pm -      #49

    “Teleportation by its very nature IS always instant travel.
    However, if you read my statement carefully, i specifically mentioned how their reaction time is still a factor.
    Characters like Raiden & Scorpion can teleport almost instantly, whereas others take 0.5-1.5 seconds.”
    /
    I noted their reaction time.
    The cyborg’s teleportation isn’t instant since their teleportation shows them splitting their limbs before warping.
    /
    “I suggested MK get artifacts to balance the match.
    And you’re saying SSB should get an omnipotent artifact? Really? Since when is the triforce even a part of SSB?
    Anyhow, this is for lividstarcraft fan to decide.”
    /
    Ever since Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf carried seperate pieces for standard equipment.
    /
    “Samus can hit harder than a Nuke? am i missing something, or are you just wanking?”
    /
    I am talking about the omega cannon and hyperbeam which puts the power bomb in that certain level. Or are you referring hit as in melee attacks?
    /
    “I wouldn’t say Spectral Ghosts share Elemental Compatibility with Soul Sucking attacks. Not all non-physical things are the same.
    If something is good at defending against intense heat, is it just as good against electric currents or x-rays?”
    /
    Did you miss the point that Samus’s suit can make physical contact with spirits since she can block them?
    /
    “More proof is required to suggest Samus can block soul fuckery please.”
    /
    The only soul fuckery move Mortal Kombat has is soul steal. This would prevent her soul from being stolen.
    /
    “This is complete bullshit for the reason stated above.
    AND how does that stop her soul from being moved around in her body?”
    /
    Are you daft?
    The only soul fuckery they can do is soul steal and they can’t do it instantly nor does it kill the person instantly. If the suit can block souls, it will block her soul being stolen.
    This is aside from the fact that this only works at close range.
    /
    “It would only need to be moved a millimeter out of her body to kill her, and her suit most certainly isn’t skin tight.”
    /
    Official art shows otherwise.
    Since when were you an expert on souls and how they work with bodies?
    /
    “Super moves are a gameplay mechanic. Characters can use all moves whenever.”
    /
    So Ryu can endlessly spam giant hadoukens?
    /
    “Is this standard equipment for him?”
    /
    Yes since in Sonic Unleashed, he was shown to keep them and in his current incarnation,
    /
    “The trifroce isn’t in this match. Stop fucking mentioning it.”
    /
    Yeah it is. Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf carry a piece of it.
    /
    “Freddy is otherwise immortal btw.”
    /
    Despite the reboot?
    /
    “1. Where would sonic teleport to? and since when can Sonic teleport anyways?”
    /
    An alternate dimension.
    Ever since Sonic Adventure 2 since he learned chaos control from a fake chaos emerald. He uses this against Shadow in their battle.
    As shown in the previous threads, the chaos control can be used to travel through time and dimensions as I’ve pointed out before.
    /
    “2. Scorpion can take others to the Netherrealm instantly.”
    /
    He has shown to take one person at a time.
    Super hedgehogs on the other hand have shown to teleport a giant space station called the Ark from crashing into earth or a meteor back into space.
    /
    “So MK has multiple characters with planet-busting firepower… And multiple characters that can teleport in and out of different realms to survive said explosion.”
    /
    Two characters that will take out its own side.

  50. pimpmage October 29, 2014 at 9:00 pm -      #50

    “Two characters that will take out its own side.”

    And still result in a win since people like freddy, quan chi, and the many scorpion incarnations can all travel to an alternate dimension at will.

  51. Rhododendron October 29, 2014 at 9:01 pm -      #51

    @Ragnorke
    huh, in that case kratos minus comercial lightning timing feat is supersonic in rt(zeus flight speed is at minimum mach 2+) while he also took on helio’s who fly’s around the planet everyday(the earth is shown round in the gow verse: 86bb71d19d3bcb79effc-d9e6924a0395cb1b5b9f03b7640d26eb.r91.cf1.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/god-of-war-ascension-easter-eggs.jpg )
    ——
    ^that said minus the lightning feat mewtwo when it mega evolved its self was able to leave the earths atmosphere(genesect movie) thus is much faster(granted it can’t breath in space)
    ——-
    seems like mk gets a strong,fast magic user and a mind f#cking dream reality warper, while smash gets a high end supersonic-hypersonic powerful telephath.

  52. Alpha or Omega October 29, 2014 at 9:08 pm -      #52

    “And still result in a win since people like freddy, quan chi, and the many scorpion incarnations can all travel to an alternate dimension at will.”
    /
    Quan Chi has to make a portal in order for that to happen. This allows Nintendo characters to enter as well.
    The only person who doesn’t make a Portal when he does it is Raiden and he can take several people at once.
    /
    Nevermind that Sonic can teleport them with the chaos emeralds as well.

  53. BigBand45 October 29, 2014 at 9:12 pm -      #53

    Alright the OP said all the characters in SSBB which includes Dialga, Palkia, Tabuu, And Master/Crazy hand and the entire Subspace Army as they are all npc. So now its MK vs an entire army, a pokemon who can control time and the other space and finally a guy who can when first shown could curbstomp every character.

  54. Alpha or Omega October 29, 2014 at 9:12 pm -      #54

    Also, the only bullet timer in Mortal Kombat is Reptile. I don’t know where bullet-timing is casual for Mortal Kombat characters is coming from.

  55. Rhododendron October 29, 2014 at 9:21 pm -      #55

    “Ancient Greece knew no more bloodthirsty warrior than Kratos, who for a time was the God of War. Mortal once more, Kratos withdrew from the ages-old clash between men and gods. But his solitude was broken when he was ripped through space and time. As the madness subsided, Kratos found himself in present-day Outworld, kneeling before Shao Kahn. To ensure his victory in Mortal Kombat, the emperor had invoked an ancient ritual, sacrificing the souls of his vanguard to summon and enslave the most powerful warrior of all time. But the spell alone could not contain Kratos, who soon regained his free will. Enraged by Shao Kahn’s arrogance, Kratos vowed to rip the warlord’s spine from his body. The God of War had returned to battle.”
    ——
    Mortal Kombat (2011): “A malevolent spirit of the Dream Realm, Freddy Krueger preys on the souls of the living as they sleep. When Shao Kahn began to steal Earthrealm’s souls – souls Freddy considered his own – Freddy battled the emperor in the Dream Realm. But Shao Kahn’s will was too strong. He pulled Freddy into the real world, where he was mortal, and defeated him. A badly injured yet determined Freddy fitted both his hands with demonically enhanced razor gloves. Once he has killed Shao Kahn he will find a way back to the Dream Realm, where he will torment Earthrealm’s souls for eternity.” -mk 2011 bio’s
    ——
    could this put the GoW/freddy’s verse and mk verse as the same? any who, give’s kratos “cannon” magic resistance as shown in the bio.

  56. Alpha or Omega October 29, 2014 at 9:28 pm -      #56

    @Rhododendron
    The OP specifically states Brawl roster, so no Mewtwo. Otherwise, SSB4 stomps with Rosalina who took a universe destroying big crunch and no ill-effects from the reset or Shulk who, in the end gets the Monado which allows him to makes the universe a plaything.
    /
    Aside from the fact that their inclusion is non-canon.
    God of War, Mortal Kombat, and Nightmare on Elm Street universes aren’t the same.
    I don’t see why you would use a non-canon bio to justify the canon of several franchises.
    It’s more like an excuse plot.

  57. BigBand45 October 29, 2014 at 9:35 pm -      #57

    @Alpha or Omega
    SSBB still stomps due to Dialga and Palkia, the subspace army, and Tabuu

  58. Ragnorke October 29, 2014 at 9:38 pm -      #58

    “The cyborg’s teleportation isn’t instant since their teleportation shows them splitting their limbs before warping.”

    Which is why i said it takes 0.5-1.5 seconds for some.

    “Ever since Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf carried seperate pieces for standard equipment.”

    Are they actually shown to have them in SSB though?
    And if they are, this is clearly a stomp match and needs balancing changing.
    There’s no way in hell OP intended for one side to have omnipotence.

    “I am talking about the omega cannon and hyperbeam which puts the power bomb in that certain level.”

    Post it.
    I’m not just going to take your word for it.
    Also, do these weapons fall under standard equipment?

    “Did you miss the point that Samus’s suit can make physical contact with spirits since she can block them?”

    Did you miss the point that Not all ethreal spirit creatures = souls?

    “The only soul fuckery move Mortal Kombat has is soul steal. This would prevent her soul from being stolen.”

    Ahh… and you know, mixing souls together to create new life and shit.

    “nor does it kill the person instantly.”

    Having someones soul sucked out of them, by its fictional definition, WOULD kill them instantly.
    The only reason it doesn’t in MK is game mechanics and/or MK characters having Soul Resistances.

    ” If the suit can block souls, it will block her soul being stolen.”

    But it can’t block souls. It can block hits from creatures that are Ethereal beings.
    How are they the same thing?

    “Since when were you an expert on souls and how they work with bodies?”

    And you are?

    “So Ryu can endlessly spam giant hadoukens?”

    Yes, unless you have reason to believe otherwise, besides game-play mechanics.
    Might be taxing on his body and soul.

    “Yes since in Sonic Unleashed, he was shown to keep them and in his current incarnation,”

    We’re using SSB incarnations though. Not current.
    So i ask again, is it standard equipment in SSB?

    “Despite the reboot?”

    Freddy was shown to still be alive at the end of the reboot. So yes, still immortal.

    “As shown in the previous threads, the chaos control can be used to travel through time and dimensions as I’ve pointed out before.”

    But i’m gunna take a wild guess and say his SSB incarnation doesn’t have them.

    “He has shown to take one person at a time.”

    There only needs to be one survivor to win.

    “Quan Chi has to make a portal in order for that to happen. This allows Nintendo characters to enter as well.”

    Yea… caus that’s totally in Nintendo characters CiS…
    “Lets chase that guy into that random portal that’s gunna stay open for half a second! Despite us being in the middle of an intense fight!”
    No, that isn’t going to happen. Specially considering no one in Nintendo will know why it’s so important to chase that character to begin with.

  59. Alpha or Omega October 29, 2014 at 9:39 pm -      #59

    They don’t need Dialga and Palkia.
    /
    As I said before, they only need Samus, Sonic, and Pit.
    /
    The former two able to solo the entire MK cast on their own.

  60. Rhododendron October 29, 2014 at 9:40 pm -      #60

    @Alpha or Omega
    Ehh, freddy and kratos are more cannon the the random pokeball summons but meh.
    —–
    Rosalina who took a universe destroying big crunch and no ill-effects from the reset .
    —–
    ^So that explain why she’s so broken in sm4sh X’D. on a more serious note isn’t that the same “universe” where mario could take out a sun with a turtle shell?
    —-
    anyway from whats been said so far seems kratos is the fastest mk has to offer via feats. and hes too slow to take on sonic if hes going faster then his casual speeds, unless he’s granted the “The Amulet of Uroborus” which gives him archipelago level time d!ckery and can effect living things. ” The ability is used in the island of Delos to reconstruct a structure previously destroyed by Alecto, and is capable of rebuilding enormous structures, like the Statue of Apollo and large sections of the Hecatonchires. When activated, the area being rebuilt glows green. When using it to rebuild something that was previously broken, Kratos must get close to the object he wants to heal/decay until a green glow appears above his head and use the ability to make the broken pieces float in the correct places for him to proceed. In the first demo of the game, he needed to stay in a green circle to manipulate the object with the Amulet.”-wiki

  61. Ragnorke October 29, 2014 at 9:41 pm -      #61

    “Alright the OP said all the characters in SSBB which includes Dialga, Palkia, Tabuu, And Master/Crazy hand and the entire Subspace Army as they are all npc.”

    We’re only using playable characters.
    Otherwise MK gets the Elder Gods who are multi-universe creating.

    “could this put the GoW/freddy’s verse and mk verse as the same? any who, give’s kratos “cannon” magic resistance as shown in the bio.”

    They aren’t in the same universe, but it’s the same multiverse atleast.
    The fact of the matter is, they are officially a part of the MK roster, and that’s all that matters.

  62. Ragnorke October 29, 2014 at 9:44 pm -      #62

    So since the OP (livestarcraftfan) has not had the chance to comment yet, considering how blown up this match has gotten… His next comment should allow him to alter any rules or make any balance changes. Despite it being past #50.

    A few things i’d like clarification on is the use of the omnipotent Triforce, and the incarnation of Nintendo characters being used.

  63. Ragnorke October 29, 2014 at 9:46 pm -      #63

    @AoO
    “The former two able to solo the entire MK cast on their own.”

    Yea, caus Samus & Sonic can totally take on planet busting teleporters without ANY issue. (note the sarcasm)
    Stop the wankage please.

  64. Rhododendron October 29, 2014 at 9:47 pm -      #64


    —-
    ^Kratos never canonically lost this item but, it is a showing of his level of time manipulation.
    —–
    and for some scale : img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120712201452/godofwar/images/d/d4/Feet_Statue_Concept_Art_HD.jpg

  65. BigBand45 October 29, 2014 at 10:22 pm -      #65

    @Ragnorke
    Do any of the playable characters in MK have flight cause even if the incarnation for SSBB is whats shown in the game then Falco, Fox, and Wolf can all just launch an air barrage as their entrances have them drop at of their Arwings

  66. Mea quidem sententia October 29, 2014 at 10:25 pm -      #66

    A thermobaric explosive would create a vacuum. I can’t say this is what type of bomb Samus uses, though.

    Anyway, Sonic can run Mach 5 on the low-end, being calledthe “hypersonic hedgehog”. Light Dash is only brief in-game, but a burst of light speed is all Sonic needs as he gets near his opponents.

  67. Alpha or Omega October 29, 2014 at 10:33 pm -      #67

    “Which is why i said it takes 0.5-1.5 seconds for some.”
    /
    Cyrax’s, Sektor’s and Cyber Sub-zero is more like moving their limbs than teleportation to be honest.
    That goes with some characters such as others using portals.
    /
    “Are they actually shown to have them in SSB though?
    And if they are, this is clearly a stomp match and needs balancing changing.
    There’s no way in hell OP intended for one side to have omnipotence.”
    /
    SSB has already been nerfed from it’s current roster which has Shulk and Rosalina. Do we need to nerf it some more so Mortal Kombat can win against a nerfed Smash Bros roster?
    /
    “Post it.
    I’m not just going to take your word for it.
    Also, do these weapons fall under standard equipment?”
    /
    I posted it in Raiden vs Samus which you were there for but here you go.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ8_0PFe-ew#t=752
    The fact that “gamma radiation” is emanating from the lower floor where the omega cannon is and it’s referred to a “weapon of mass destruction” suggests it shoots nukes.
    It does 200 units of damage to her varia suit so it’s there next to the powerbomb and hyper beam.
    The omega cannon isn’t standard but the powerbomb is however.
    /
    “Did you miss the point that Not all ethreal spirit creatures = souls?”
    /
    Did you miss the point that natural energies don’t work on them which would make them unnatural or supernatural ala souls?
    What else are they missing from being a soul?
    /
    “Ahh… and you know, mixing souls together to create new life and shit.”
    /
    Ermac?
    /
    “Having someones soul sucked out of them, by its fictional definition, WOULD kill them instantly.”
    /
    Street Fighter disagrees with you.
    Gouken survived a soul attack by emptying his soul when Akuma used the raging demon. This didn’t kill Gouken when his body had no soul.
    /
    “The only reason it doesn’t in MK is game mechanics and/or”
    /
    Despite the fact that it’s in cutscenes?
    How would a soul moved one millimeter kill a person btw? We see portions of souls being taken out too and this doesn’t kill people so I doubt it would kill some one if it moved one millimeter.
    /
    “MK characters having Soul Resistances.”
    /
    None of the characters have resistances at all.
    The only comparable one I can think of having soul resistance is Ermac, and that’s because he’s a legion of soul.
    /
    “But it can’t block souls. It can block hits from creatures that are Ethereal beings.
    How are they the same thing?”
    /
    They lack a physical body like incorporeal beings and they are intangible and not natural.
    Which this says as well
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul
    /
    “And you are?”
    /
    No, but you claimed if it moved a millimeter, it would kill someone. You claimed how souls work despite the fact that fiction also has examples showing otherwise.
    /
    “Yes, unless you have reason to believe otherwise, besides game-play mechanics.
    Might be taxing on his body and soul.”
    /
    I believe it’s the other way around when we argue points like this.
    Though, I will admit there is a canon reason for Ryu since it uses his willpower.
    /
    “We’re using SSB incarnations though. Not current.
    So i ask again, is it standard equipment in SSB?”
    /
    Aside from the stipulation above saying current incarnations, yes, he has it as standard equipment in SSB since it’s also his final smash.
    /
    “Freddy was shown to still be alive at the end of the reboot. So yes, still immortal.”
    /
    Not that it matters since he’s not in Mortal Kombat, but that still leaves the problem of the Triforce wiping him out
    /
    “But i’m gunna take a wild guess and say his SSB incarnation doesn’t have them.”
    /
    Despite the fact that his final smash has it?
    /
    “There only needs to be one survivor to win.”
    /
    And all the Smash Bros characters to be dead which won’t happen since Sonic can keep most of them alive.
    /
    “Yea… caus that’s totally in Nintendo characters CiS…
    “Lets chase that guy into that random portal that’s gunna stay open for half a second! Despite us being in the middle of an intense fight!”
    No, that isn’t going to happen. Specially considering no one in Nintendo will know why it’s so important to chase that character to begin with.”
    /
    Actually, that’s pretty much the C.I.S. of some Nintendo characters.
    Not that it matters since as I have said before, Sonic and Samus will kill them all before they can do anything significant.

  68. Alpha or Omega October 29, 2014 at 10:41 pm -      #68

    @Ragnorke
    “We’re only using playable characters.
    Otherwise MK gets the Elder Gods who are multi-universe creating.”
    /
    That was due to splitting the conscious of the one being. They can’t actually do it on their own and they are featless.
    /
    “They aren’t in the same universe, but it’s the same multiverse atleast.
    The fact of the matter is, they are officially a part of the MK roster, and that’s all that matters.”
    /
    Proof that they are in the same multiverse and that it’s canon?
    /
    “Yea, caus Samus & Sonic can totally take on planet busting teleporters without ANY issue. (note the sarcasm)
    Stop the wankage please.”
    /
    Except the cyborgs aren’t exactly durable and that they can’t do anything about Samus and Sonic.
    Did you ignore the fact that Sonic can literally pull of killing MK due to his speed and time stop?
    How am I wanking when Sonic’s speed and Samus’ speed and fire power are there? It’s like claiming canon to be wank.
    I think you need to stop wanking Mortal Kombat unless they show feats stopping a hypersonic hedgehog.

  69. Rhododendron October 29, 2014 at 10:53 pm -      #69

    @Alpha or Omega
    “Proof that they are in the same multiverse and that it’s canon?”
    —-
    ^They are part of the roster of the game so I’m pretty sure it counts. and besides unless both are composite and or bringing their haxiest abilities,items etc, they only slightly improve mk’s chances.

  70. Alpha or Omega October 29, 2014 at 11:12 pm -      #70

    “^They are part of the roster of the game so I’m pretty sure it counts.”
    /
    That’s the equivalent of saying Scorpion being in DC’s Injustice Gods Among Men canon since he’s in the roster. I don’t see how a bio, intro, character roster, and an ending makes things canon
    /
    “and besides unless both are composite and or bringing their haxiest abilities,items etc, they only slightly improve mk’s chances.”
    /
    I wasn’t bringing anything against him. I was only against God of War, Nightmare on Elm-Street, and Mortal Kombat to be in the same multiverse.

  71. Alpha or Omega October 30, 2014 at 12:20 am -      #71

    Actually, thinking about it, Smoke’s not planet busting anymore since he’s, you know, not a cyborg in his current incarnation which just leaves Cyrax, maybe.

  72. Commander Cross October 30, 2014 at 12:33 am -      #72

    Since we didn’t bother waiting until the latest Smash Bros Game and MKX have arrived, so we can talk about which game is better from a GAMEPLAY standpoint, might I be allowed to mention 300 VS MORTAL KOMBAT!!!???

  73. Ragnorke October 30, 2014 at 1:16 am -      #73

    @mea
    “Light Dash is only brief in-game, but a burst of light speed is all Sonic needs as he gets near his opponents.”

    Proof that it’s in fact light speed travel?
    A title of a skill is just that, a title. Usually named that way for the sake of having a catchy or exciting name. Like sephiroths super nova forexample.
    So i would like some proof of this please.

    @BigBand45
    “Do any of the playable characters in MK have flight ”

    Raiden, Onaga, and Ermac have flight and ranged attacks.
    I’m sure i’m missing a couple more.

    @Cross
    “Since we didn’t bother waiting until the latest Smash Bros Game and MKX have arrived, so we can talk about which game is better from a GAMEPLAY standpoint”

    Definitely SSB. I hate MKs clunky combat, and how heavy all the characters & attacks feel.

    “might I be allowed to mention 300 VS MORTAL KOMBAT!!!???”

    Please don’t xD

  74. Ragnorke October 30, 2014 at 1:38 am -      #74

    @AoO
    “Cyrax’s, Sektor’s and Cyber Sub-zero is more like moving their limbs than teleportation to be honest.”

    What…? Don’t pull shit out of your ass and make it sound like a fact.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkGjtSxoyAA
    Cyber Sub-Zero is the only one that split/moves his limbs. Cyrax & Sektor have direct teleports.

    “Do we need to nerf it some more so Mortal Kombat can win against a nerfed Smash Bros roster?”

    Removing an omnipotence is called balancing.
    NO match in BankGambling should EVER include an omnipotence. EVER.
    Everyone might as well just stop commenting right now, and the thread might as well be deleted.

    “The omega cannon isn’t standard but the powerbomb is however”

    You expect me to believe Samus has a standard equipment Nuke on her?
    Yet she struggles to fight enemies that are barely building busting?
    I can’t be fucked doing calculations atm, but i’ll get back to this.

    “What else are they missing from being a soul?”

    Do they originate from a physical body?
    Or are they just creatures which are naturally born/created Ethereal?
    There’s a big difference between the two.

    “This didn’t kill Gouken when his body had no soul.”

    Fair enough. Every form is fiction is totally different i guess, since a “soul” is imaginary.

    “The only comparable one I can think of having soul resistance is Ermac, and that’s because he’s a legion of soul.”

    This is no longer relevant, so i’ll concede.

    “They lack a physical body like incorporeal beings and they are intangible and not natural.”

    Souls in MK aren’t creatures that can float around, move through objects, and hit things. They are the essence of life & conciousness, which require a body to survive, and the body needs them to survive.

    I don’t think they should have any Elemental Compatibility, and you think they should.
    We’ve both made our points, and someone else should just settle it.
    I’m really indifferent whether it’s EC or not, since it wont play a relevant part in this match.

    “I believe it’s the other way around when we argue points like this.
    Though, I will admit there is a canon reason for Ryu since it uses his willpower.”

    No, it usually isn’t the other way around. Specially not in action based fighter games.
    Characters are limited by their move sets because of game-play mechanics for a more exciting game.
    If there’s a canon reason in the lore as to why they are limited, than it isn’t just a gameplay mechanic… Otherwise it is.

    “Aside from the stipulation above saying current incarnations, yes, he has it as standard equipment in SSB since it’s also his final smash.”

    Totally missed that.
    However, this does bring me back to my previous point.
    As you said, in SSB it’s his final smash… But does that mean he’s limited as to how/when he can use it?
    It’s a gameplay mechanic, since as you said earlier he can use it whenever.

    “Despite the fact that his final smash has it?”

    Also… Post it. I’m interested to see how it works.

    “Proof that they are in the same multiverse and that it’s canon?”

    Because they have a canon storyline and cut scenes about how they ended up in the MK storyline.
    Burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.

    “That’s the equivalent of saying Scorpion being in DC’s Injustice Gods Among Men canon since he’s in the roster.”

    Scorpion IS canon in “DC’s Injustice” multiverse, since he clearly plays a part in it. So why the fuck wouldn’t he be?
    However that doesn’t mean he’s canon in the actual DC comic-verse.

    ” Smoke’s not planet busting anymore since he’s, you know, not a cyborg in his current incarnation which just leaves Cyrax, maybe.”

    Cyrax & Sektor have always been equals. I find it strange that one of them would have planet busting fire power whereas the other wouldn’t.

  75. OriginalA October 30, 2014 at 1:39 am -      #75

    “I wasn’t bringing anything against him. I was only against God of War, Nightmare on Elm-Street, and Mortal Kombat to be in the same multiverse.”

    Actually, if you expanded it out a bit more, you would have to include Soul Calibur, Star Wars, Tekken, Legend of Zelda (and by further extension ironically SSB), and both Marvel and DC. … I’m pretty sure Doctor Who fits in there somewhere as well.

  76. Ragnorke October 30, 2014 at 1:40 am -      #76

    @AoO
    “Cyrax’s, Sektor’s and Cyber Sub-zero is more like moving their limbs than teleportation to be honest.”

    What…? Don’t pull shit out of your ass and make it sound like a fact.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkGjtSxoyAA
    Cyber Sub-Zero is the only one that split/moves his limbs. Cyrax & Sektor have direct teleports.

    “Do we need to nerf it some more so Mortal Kombat can win against a nerfed Smash Bros roster?”

    Removing an omnipotence is called balancing.
    NO match in BankGambling should EVER include an omnipotence. EVER.
    Everyone might as well just stop commenting right now, and the thread might as well be deleted.

    “The omega cannon isn’t standard but the powerbomb is however”

    You expect me to believe Samus has a standard equipment Nuke on her?
    Yet she struggles to fight enemies that are barely building busting?
    I can’t be fucked doing calculations atm, but i’ll get back to this.

    “What else are they missing from being a soul?”

    Do they originate from a physical body?
    Or are they just creatures which are naturally born/created Ethereal?
    There’s a big difference between the two.

    “This didn’t kill Gouken when his body had no soul.”

    Fair enough. Every form is fiction is totally different i guess, since a “soul” is imaginary.

    “The only comparable one I can think of having soul resistance is Ermac, and that’s because he’s a legion of soul.”

    This is no longer relevant, so i’ll concede.

    “They lack a physical body like incorporeal beings and they are intangible and not natural.”

    Souls in MK aren’t creatures that can float around, move through objects, and hit things. They are the essence of life & conciousness, which require a body to survive, and the body needs them to survive.

    I don’t think they should have any Elemental Compatibility, and you think they should.
    We’ve both made our points, and someone else should just settle it.
    I’m really indifferent whether it’s EC or not, since it wont play a relevant part in this match.

    “I believe it’s the other way around when we argue points like this.
    Though, I will admit there is a canon reason for Ryu since it uses his willpower.”

    No, it usually isn’t the other way around. Specially not in action based fighter games.
    Characters are limited by their move sets because of game-play mechanics for a more exciting game.
    If there’s a canon reason in the lore as to why they are limited, than it isn’t just a gameplay mechanic… Otherwise it is.

    “Aside from the stipulation above saying current incarnations, yes, he has it as standard equipment in SSB since it’s also his final smash.”

    Totally missed that.
    However, this does bring me back to my previous point.
    As you said, in SSB it’s his final smash… But does that mean he’s limited as to how/when he can use it?
    It’s a gameplay mechanic, since as you said earlier he can use it whenever.

    “Despite the fact that his final smash has it?”

    Also… Post it. I’m interested to see how it works.

    “Proof that they are in the same multiverse and that it’s canon?”

    Because they have a canon storyline and cut scenes about how they ended up in the MK storyline.
    Burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.

    “That’s the equivalent of saying Scorpion being in DC’s Injustice Gods Among Men canon since he’s in the roster.”

    Scorpion IS canon in “DC’s Injustice” multiverse, since he clearly plays a part in it. So why the fuck wouldn’t he be?
    However that doesn’t mean he’s canon in the actual

  77. Ragnorke October 30, 2014 at 1:49 am -      #77

    @AoO
    “Cyrax’s, Sektor’s and Cyber Sub-zero is more like moving their limbs than teleportation to be honest.”

    What…? Don’t pull shit out of your ass and make it sound like a fact.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkGjtSxoyAA
    Cyber Sub-Zero is the only one that split/moves his limbs. Cyrax & Sektor have direct teleports.

    “Do we need to nerf it some more so Mortal Kombat can win against a nerfed Smash Bros roster?”

    Removing an omnipotence is called balancing.
    NO match in BankGambling should EVER include an omnipotence. EVER.
    Everyone might as well just stop commenting right now, and the thread might as well be deleted.

    “The omega cannon isn’t standard but the powerbomb is however”

    You expect me to believe Samus has a standard equipment Nuke on her?
    Yet she struggles to fight enemies that are barely building busting?
    I can’t be fucked doing calculations atm, but i’ll get back to this.

    “What else are they missing from being a soul?”

    Do they originate from a physical body?
    Or are they just creatures which are naturally born/created Ethereal?
    There’s a big difference between the two.

    “This didn’t kill Gouken when his body had no soul.”

    Fair enough. Every form is fiction is totally different i guess, since a “soul” is imaginary.

    “The only comparable one I can think of having soul resistance is Ermac, and that’s because he’s a legion of soul.”

    This is no longer relevant, so i’ll concede.

    “They lack a physical body like incorporeal beings and they are intangible and not natural.”

    Souls in MK aren’t creatures that can float around, move through objects, and hit things. They are the essence of life & conciousness, which require a body to survive, and the body needs them to survive.

    I don’t think they should have any Elemental Compatibility, and you think they should.
    We’ve both made our points, and someone else should just settle it.
    I’m really indifferent whether it’s EC or not, since it wont play a relevant part in this match.

    “I believe it’s the other way around when we argue points like this.
    Though, I will admit there is a canon reason for Ryu since it uses his willpower.”

    No, it usually isn’t the other way around. Specially not in action based fighter games.
    Characters are limited by their move sets because of game-play mechanics for a more exciting game.
    If there’s a canon reason in the lore as to why they are limited, than it isn’t just a gameplay mechanic… Otherwise it is.

    “Aside from the stipulation above saying current incarnations, yes, he has it as standard equipment in SSB since it’s also his final smash.”

    Totally missed that.
    However, this does bring me back to my previous point.
    As you said, in SSB it’s his final smash… But does that mean he’s limited as to how/when he can use it?
    It’s a gameplay mechanic, since as you said earlier he can use it whenever.

    “Despite the fact that his final smash has it?”

    Also… Post it. I’m interested to see how it works.

    “Proof that they are in the same multiverse and that it’s canon?”

    Because they have a canon storyline and cut scenes about how they ended up in the MK storyline.
    Burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.

    “That’s the equivalent of saying Scorpion being in DC’s Injustice Gods Among Men canon since he’s in the roster.”

    Scorpion IS canon in “DC’s Injustice” multiverse, since he clearly plays a part in it. So why the fuck wouldn’t he be?
    However that doesn’t mean he’s canon in the actual DC comic-verse.

  78. Darth Bombad October 30, 2014 at 1:52 am -      #78

    @Commander Cross
    “Since we didn’t bother waiting until the latest Smash Bros Game and MKX
    have arrived, so we can talk about which game is better from a
    GAMEPLAY standpoint, might I be allowed to mention 300 VS MORTAL KOMBAT!!!???”


    IT HAS BEGUN!!!!.
    factpile.com/5179-300-vs-mortal-kombat/

  79. Ragnorke October 30, 2014 at 1:52 am -      #79

    @AoO
    “Cyrax’s, Sektor’s and Cyber Sub-zero is more like moving their limbs than teleportation to be honest.”

    What…? Don’t pull shit out of your ass and make it sound like a fact.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkGjtSxoyAA
    Cyber Sub-Zero is the only one that split/moves his limbs. Cyrax & Sektor have direct teleports.

    “Do we need to nerf it some more so Mortal Kombat can win against a nerfed Smash Bros roster?”

    Removing an omnipotence is called balancing.
    NO match in BankGambling should EVER include an omnipotence. EVER.
    Everyone might as well just stop commenting right now, and the thread might as well be deleted.

    “The omega cannon isn’t standard but the powerbomb is however”

    You expect me to believe Samus has a standard equipment Nuke on her?
    Yet she struggles to fight enemies that are barely building busting?
    I can’t be fucked doing calculations atm, but i’ll get back to this.

    “What else are they missing from being a soul?”

    Do they originate from a physical body?
    Or are they just creatures which are naturally born/created Ethereal?
    There’s a big difference between the two.

    “This didn’t kill Gouken when his body had no soul.”

    Fair enough. Every form is fiction is totally different i guess, since a “soul” is imaginary.

    “The only comparable one I can think of having soul resistance is Ermac, and that’s because he’s a legion of soul.”

    This is no longer relevant, so i’ll concede.

    “They lack a physical body like incorporeal beings and they are intangible and not natural.”

    Souls in MK aren’t creatures that can float around, move through objects, and hit things. They are the essence of life & conciousness, which require a body to survive, and the body needs them to survive.

    I don’t think they should have any Elemental Compatibility, and you think they should.
    We’ve both made our points, and someone else should just settle it.
    I’m really indifferent whether it’s EC or not, since it wont play a relevant part in this match.

    “I believe it’s the other way around when we argue points like this.
    Though, I will admit there is a canon reason for Ryu since it uses his willpower.”

    No, it usually isn’t the other way around. Specially not in action based fighter games.
    Characters are limited by their move sets because of game-play mechanics for a more exciting game.
    If there’s a canon reason in the lore as to why they are limited, than it isn’t just a gameplay mechanic… Otherwise it is.

    “Aside from the stipulation above saying current incarnations, yes, he has it as standard equipment in SSB since it’s also his final smash.”

    Totally missed that.
    However, this does bring me back to my previous point.
    As you said, in SSB it’s his final smash… But does that mean he’s limited as to how/when he can use it?
    It’s a gameplay mechanic, since as you said earlier he can use it whenever.

    “Despite the fact that his final smash has it?”

    Also… Post it. I’m interested to see how it works.

    “Proof that they are in the same multiverse and that it’s canon?”

    Because they have a canon storyline and cut scenes about how they ended up in the MK storyline.
    Burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.

    “That’s the equivalent of saying Scorpion being in DC’s Injustice Gods Among Men canon since he’s in the roster.”

    Scorpion IS canon in “DC’s Injustice” multiverse, since he clearly plays a part in it. So why the fuck wouldn’t he be?
    However that doesn’t mean he’s canon in the actual DC comic-verse.

  80. Ragnorke October 30, 2014 at 1:57 am -      #80

    “How am I wanking when Sonic’s speed and Samus’ speed and fire power are there? It’s like claiming canon to be wank.”

    1. Scorpion Teleports Cyrax to other side of the Country/Continent/Planet/Whatever.
    2. Scorpian Teleports back to Netherealm
    3. Cyrax blows up planet, without any warning for Nintendo.

    Now, Sonic MIGHT be able to stop this with his time manipulation… But i don’t think it’s ever been shown to be used or react that fast.
    If it has, please show me.

    Once again, i think including the Triforce (or any form of omnipotence in any match) is complete bullshit. And i’m quite certain the OP would agree, but we just gotta wait for him to clarify.
    However, they probably won’t get the chance to put the Triforce pieces together… Since the Earth (and everyone on it) is going to go Boom in about 3 seconds.

  81. Alpha or Omega October 30, 2014 at 1:59 am -      #81

    @Ragnorke
    info.sonicretro.org/images/thumb/1/17/Sa-dx-pc-eu-manual-p16-17.jpg/760px-Sa-dx-pc-eu-manual-p16-17.jpg
    Under light shoes, light speed dash.

  82. pimpmage October 30, 2014 at 2:16 am -      #82

    I like how quickly this match turned around from everyone being like “samus stomps everythin duh!” to “cyrax blows up the planet death-star style”.

    MK wins! Fatality!

    Oh, are babalities canon? Combatants seemingly preform a small gesture to make someone turn into a baby. Baby samus anyone?

  83. Darth Bombad October 30, 2014 at 2:23 am -      #83

    “Baby samus anyone?”
    That would completely adorable!….but don’t do it to Mario….That F-ing Cry!!!. :(

  84. Alpha or Omega October 30, 2014 at 3:09 am -      #84

    “What…? Don’t pull shit out of your ass and make it sound like a fact.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkGjtSxoyAA
    Cyber Sub-Zero is the only one that split/moves his limbs. Cyrax & Sektor have direct teleports.”
    /
    Actually, Cyrax does.
    @1:46

    He also does it for his x-ray as well.
    Though I’ll concede on Sektor not doing it since I was wrong. I swore he had one but whatever.
    /
    “Removing an omnipotence is called balancing.
    NO match in BankGambling should EVER include an omnipotence. EVER.
    Everyone might as well just stop commenting right now, and the thread might as well be deleted.”
    /
    Nerfing is a type of balancing, and since when was it a rule to remove omnipotents?
    The only time I’ve seen people remove omnipotents is when its stated in the scenario or when both sides have an omnipotent.
    /
    “You expect me to believe Samus has a standard equipment Nuke on her?
    Yet she struggles to fight enemies that are barely building busting?
    I can’t be fucked doing calculations atm, but i’ll get back to this.”
    /
    I went over this.
    The powerbombs are stated to be dangerous as they one shot enemies and minibosses as shown in OtherM.
    Usually, they’re the mid-last weapon upgrade retrieved.
    Also which enemies are talking about?
    Ridley?
    He survived being crushed by his own burning multi-thousand ton mother ship in the manga and spent a long time under there.
    Dark Samus?
    Aside from having the same tech as Samus, she’s enhanced with phazon and her regenerative properties allow her to survive a planet being destroyed.
    Kraid?
    Mother Brain stated that his skin is on par with anti-optical shield and you never get to use the powerbomb on him because you don’t obtain it yet.
    Mother Brain herself?
    She’s made from Chozo biotechnology. And wields the hyper beam. Same AI was only damaged by the hyper beam.
    Or by enemies you mean the common cannon fodder? Which she doesn’t struggle with at all but only in gameplay?
    /
    “Do they originate from a physical body?
    Or are they just creatures which are naturally born/created Ethereal?
    There’s a big difference between the two.”
    /
    They’re dead people.
    /
    “No, it usually isn’t the other way around. Specially not in action based fighter games.
    Characters are limited by their move sets because of game-play mechanics for a more exciting game.
    If there’s a canon reason in the lore as to why they are limited, than it isn’t just a gameplay mechanic… Otherwise it is.”
    /
    So basically we should assume that they can perform super moves that are usually out of their basic moves?
    /
    “Totally missed that.
    However, this does bring me back to my previous point.
    As you said, in SSB it’s his final smash… But does that mean he’s limited as to how/when he can use it?
    It’s a gameplay mechanic, since as you said earlier he can use it whenever.”
    /
    He’s still nerfed as in can’t time travel or go to alternate dimension nerfed.
    /
    “Also… Post it. I’m interested to see how it works.”
    /
    His Smash Bros version is a heavily nerfed version of the main canon one.
    /
    “Because they have a canon storyline and cut scenes about how they ended up in the MK storyline.
    Burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.”
    /
    Burden of proof would be on you since you claimed his story line is canon.
    Oh well, they’re non-canon because Kratos goes around slaughtering everyone such as Sonya Blade and Johnny Cage despite the fact that this doesn’t happen.
    Freddy Krueger’s story implies that his universe and the MK’s universe is the same, not that his universe is a separate one from MK since he terrorizes earthrealm citizens.
    And when did Shao Kahn suddenly gain the power to rip people from other timelines?
    /
    “Scorpion IS canon in “DC’s Injustice” multiverse, since he clearly plays a part in it. So why the fuck wouldn’t he be?”
    /
    Because the his story conflict with and contradict the main story and comics of Injustice. He never killed Superman and never took down Trigon.
    /
    “However that doesn’t mean he’s canon in the actual DC comic-verse.”
    /
    I said DC’s Injustice.
    /
    “1. Scorpion Teleports Cyrax to other side of the Country/Continent/Planet/Whatever.
    2. Scorpian Teleports back to Netherealm
    3. Cyrax blows up planet, without any warning for Nintendo.”
    /
    Except that’s not likely happening since Sonic is mach 5+ and Samus is somewhere between mach 1.2-mach 5.
    Unless they start really far away, Sonic or Samus buzz saws through Mortal Kombat.
    /
    “Now, Sonic MIGHT be able to stop this with his time manipulation… But i don’t think it’s ever been shown to be used or react that fast.
    If it has, please show me.”
    /
    Aside from time traveling in Super form as mentioned in our previous debate with Shadow, there was no counter to Sonic speed blitzing.
    /
    “Once again, i think including the Triforce (or any form of omnipotence in any match) is complete bullshit. And i’m quite certain the OP would agree, but we just gotta wait for him to clarify.”
    /
    Based on what?
    /
    “However, they probably won’t get the chance to put the Triforce pieces together… Since the Earth (and everyone on it) is going to go Boom in about 3 seconds.”
    /
    They just need to give it a prayer or contact.

  85. Alpha or Omega October 30, 2014 at 3:16 am -      #85

    “I like how quickly this match turned around from everyone being like “samus stomps everythin duh!” to “cyrax blows up the planet death-star style”.

    MK wins! Fatality!”
    /
    Actually, since Sonic is mach 5+ in base form, he can reach 2 km in nearly a second.
    Unless Mortal Kombat is really far away, Sonic will speed blitz most of them before they can react.
    Samus still stomps as she’s likely to one-shot each MK character.
    /
    This is aside from time-traveling as I mentioned before.
    /
    Also, since my other comment is awaiting moderation, I’ll just post the source for Sonic’s power-up being lightspeed
    info.sonicretro.org/images/thumb/1/17/Sa-dx-pc-eu-manual-p16-17.jpg/760px-Sa-dx-pc-eu-manual-p16-17.jpg

  86. Ragnorke October 30, 2014 at 3:51 am -      #86

    “Though I’ll concede on Sektor not doing it since I was wrong. I swore he had one but whatever.”

    They might both have both… I”ll have to look into Cyrax’s move set.

    ” and since when was it a rule to remove omnipotents?”

    It isn’t a rule, i never said it was.
    But the point i made still remains, and i’m very very certain OP didn’t want either side to have an omnipotent. We’ll just have to wait and see.

    “The powerbombs are stated to be dangerous as they one shot enemies and minibosses as shown in OtherM.”

    But do they blow up everything within miles around you?

    “Also which enemies are talking about?”

    Samus can be killed by scrubs & canon fodder within the game.
    You could argue that isn’t canon, and you’re right, it isn’t canon… but it’s a canon representation of her defensive capabilities.

    “They’re dead people.”

    Fair enough.

    “So basically we should assume that they can perform super moves that are usually out of their basic moves?”

    Yes. Unless there’s a reason as to why not.
    Does it take up a shit ton of Mana? Which limits the user?
    Does it end up draining the user of his health/stamina/soul?
    Does it take a ton of charge up time?
    If there’s no canon reason as to why not, or atleast something that SUGGESTS why not, then it’s a gameplay mechanic.

    This is especially the case for fast paced fighter games like MK.
    You need to press a complicated set of buttons to properly execute an ability, which can take some time… But why would the actual character take this time when he can use the ability solely based on his reaction time?
    There’s no reason at all. Therefore it is a game-play mechanic.
    Same applies here.

    “His Smash Bros version is a heavily nerfed version of the main canon one.”

    Then post the main canon one…? I’m still interested in seeing it again.

    “Burden of proof would be on you since you claimed his story line is canon.”

    1. Visual evidence.
    2. Dialogue evidence.
    3. Story evidence of how he got there.
    I really don’t give a shit if it convinces you or not, the three above is enough evidence to count as proof.
    You think otherwise? well get your own fucking evidence to prove me wrong instead of bitching

    “, they’re non-canon because Kratos goes around slaughtering everyone such as Sonya Blade and Johnny Cage despite the fact that this doesn’t happen.”

    And if you play as Johnny Cage, you go around slaughtering everyone such as Sonya Blade and Kratos.
    And if you play as Sonya Blade, you go around slaughtering everyone such as Johnny Cage and Kratos.
    Let me guess, Sonya Blade and Cage aren’t canon either now? Get the fuck off.

    Their individual stories aren’t canon, but their background stories are and always have been canon… So why on earth wouldn’t Kratos’s background story on how he got there be canon too?

    “Freddy Krueger’s story implies that his universe and the MK’s universe is the same, not that his universe is a separate one from MK since he terrorizes earthrealm citizens.”

    No, it implies the dream world that Freddy Krueger is linked to, also happens to be linked to the MKverse.
    Implying same multiverse.

    ” when did Shao Kahn suddenly gain the power to rip people from other timelines?”

    Realm/Universe travel has always been a big thing in Mortal Kombat.

    “Because the his story conflict with and contradict the main story and comics of Injustice. He never killed Superman and never took down Trigon.”

    No shit.
    Martian Manhunter never killed Superman either.
    Aquaman never killed Superman either.
    Batman never killed Superman either.
    I can go on for a while… Are none of the characters a canon part of the universe either?
    See how silly this argument of yours is?

    His background story still PROVES that he entered the DCverse, what happened after that obviously isn’t canon. Whether you like it or not doesn’t make a fucking difference.
    Give me one fucking reason as to why it isn’t canon, which isn’t retarded like your last few.

    “Except that’s not likely happening since Sonic is mach 5+ and Samus is somewhere between mach 1.2-mach 5. Unless they start really far away, Sonic or Samus buzz saws through Mortal Kombat.”

    Why would they target these 2 specifically instead of everyone else first?
    It would literally only take a fraction of a second for them to teleport away.
    If you’re implying Samus & Sonic are going to kill EVERYONE within a fraction of a second, you’re batshit wanking.

    “Aside from time traveling in Super form as mentioned in our previous debate with Shadow,”

    How fast does this process occur? Can he do it in the 0.0000000000000001 second he would have after realizing the Earths exploding?
    I’d say no.

    Sonic will have no idea the Earth is about to explode.
    The explosion occurred extremely fucking fast, incase you didn’t notice.
    Sonic can’t outrun it.
    He has a very very short window of time, where he needs to both react to it, and complete his time-manipulation ability.
    Which you need to prove he’s capable of.

    ” he can reach 2 km in nearly a second.
    Unless Mortal Kombat is really far away, Sonic will speed blitz most of them before they can react.”

    Since when is movement speed the same as combat?
    Are you assuming bumping into each MK character is going to kill them?

    “there was no counter to Sonic speed blitzing.”

    He needs to actually kill every character.
    Which he isn’t going to be doing at Mach 5. Nor will every character die in the split second he touches them.

    “Samus still stomps as she’s likely to one-shot each MK character.”

    Doesn’t matter since the explosion would kill her in a microsecond, before her or sonic can do anything about it by the time they react.

  87. Alpha or Omega October 30, 2014 at 5:06 am -      #87

    “It isn’t a rule, i never said it was.
    But the point i made still remains, and i’m very very certain OP didn’t want either side to have an omnipotent. We’ll just have to wait and see.”
    /

    /
    “But do they blow up everything within miles around you?”
    /
    No, but one was powerful enough to shake the entire BSL Station in Fusion which is pretty much a giant(understatement) space station.
    /
    “Samus can be killed by scrubs & canon fodder within the game.
    You could argue that isn’t canon, and you’re right, it isn’t canon… but it’s a canon representation of her defensive capabilities.”
    /
    As I said before in Raiden v Samus, they do really low amounts of damage while nukes do high amounts of damage in comparison.
    Unless you mean weak creatures/low caste space pirates in that case I will simply show cutscenes where Samus takes no damage from stronger attacks.
    /
    “Yes. Unless there’s a reason as to why not.
    Does it take up a shit ton of Mana? Which limits the user?
    Does it end up draining the user of his health/stamina/soul?
    Does it take a ton of charge up time?
    If there’s no canon reason as to why not, or atleast something that SUGGESTS why not, then it’s a gameplay mechanic.”
    /

    /
    “This is especially the case for fast paced fighter games like MK.
    You need to press a complicated set of buttons to properly execute an ability, which can take some time… But why would the actual character take this time when he can use the ability solely based on his reaction time?
    There’s no reason at all. Therefore it is a game-play mechanic.
    Same applies here.”
    /
    “Then post the main canon one…? I’m still interested in seeing it again.”
    /
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLN812WawlA#t=404
    Eggman notes that Solaris exists in points of the past, present, and future. They needed to wipe it out simultaneously and only the chaos emeralds and their super forms would allow that to happen.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=442r0nMO7Jg#t=97
    Rams through several war ships.
    /
    “1. Visual evidence.”
    /
    So if Ryu shows up in Asura’s Wrath, that would apparently count?
    /
    “2. Dialogue evidence.”
    /
    Ryu states that different universes are not new to him, yet this isn’t canon.
    /
    “3. Story evidence of how he got there.
    I really don’t give a shit if it convinces you or not,”
    /
    Every non-canon crossover has an excuse plot of why they are there.
    /
    “the three above is enough evidence to count as proof.
    You think otherwise? well get your own fucking evidence to prove me wrong instead of bitching”
    /
    Maybe you should have posted legitimate reasons or else I wouldn’t have asked you. Jeez.
    /
    “And if you play as Johnny Cage, you go around slaughtering everyone such as Sonya Blade and Kratos.
    And if you play as Sonya Blade, you go around slaughtering everyone such as Johnny Cage and Kratos.
    Let me guess, Sonya Blade and Kratos aren’t canon either now? Get the fuck off.”
    /
    Kratos’ ending shows him murdering them. Not gameplay. Ending.
    /
    “Their individual stories aren’t canon, but their background stories are and always have been canon… So why on earth wouldn’t Kratos’s background story on how he got there be canon too?”
    /
    Because non-canon crossovers have them too. Unless you want to claim that the Kratos that appears in Mortal Kombat is Vastly different.
    /
    “No, it implies the dream world that Freddy Krueger is linked to, also happens to be linked to the MKverse.
    Implying same multiverse.”
    /
    No, his bio indicates that both of their earths are the same.
    “When Shao Kahn began to steal Earthrealm’s souls – souls Freddy considered his own – Freddy battled the emperor in the Dream Realm.”
    This is further supported by his ending where he goes back into dreamrealm and terrorizing people of earthrealm.
    /
    “Realm/Universe travel has always been a big thing in Mortal Kombat.”
    /
    That usually let them travel to their own realms. Not alternate universes of other franchises.
    /
    “No shit.
    Martian Manhunter never killed Superman either.
    Aquaman never killed Superman either.
    Batman never killed Superman either.
    I can go on for a while… Are none of them canon for the same reason?”
    /
    I don’t see how this is supporting your point since this shows that Scorpion still has nothing canon to prove anything..
    /
    “His background story still PROVES that he entered the DCverse, what happened after that obviously isn’t canon. Whether you like it or not doesn’t make a fucking difference.
    Give me one fucking reason as to why it isn’t canon, which isn’t retarded like your last few.”
    /
    I already noticed that his backstory tells how he entered the universe. Just stating he has a backstory isn’t much too prove anything canon since non-canon crossovers have backstories or bios too.
    /
    “Why would they target these 2 specifically instead of everyone else first?
    It would literally only take a fraction of a second for them to teleport away.
    If you’re implying Samus & Sonic are going to kill EVERYONE within a fraction of a second, you’re batshit wanking.”
    /
    How am I batshit wanking? I said the entire cast of MK. Two, Samus’s beams would be faster than her speed booster and can shoot multiple times while she’s running. She demonstrates this.
    Scorpion and Cyrax would be among those dead as soon as the match starts.
    /
    “How fast does this process occur? Can he do it in the 0.0000000000000001 second he would have after realizing the Earths exploding?
    I’d say no.”
    /
    There’s no quantifiable way to know since they transcended time to face Solaris.
    Also, where are you getting these numbers from?
    Cyrax would have to take four seconds for this to happen unloading all the bombs.
    /
    “Sonic will have no idea the Earth is about to explode.
    The explosion occurred extremely fucking fast, incase you didn’t notice.
    Sonic can’t outrun it.
    He has a very very short window of time, where he needs to both react to it, and complete his time-manipulation ability.
    Which you need to prove he’s capable of.”
    /
    I’m guessing you ignored the fact that it will take longer than that since Scorpion would have to go up to Cyrax to teleport and then it takes a good 3-4 seconds to unload all the bombs.
    /
    “Since when is movement speed the same as combat?
    Are you assuming bumping into each MK character is going to kill them?”
    /
    Unless MK characters can take Mach1.2-Mach 5+ rams, I would say yes.
    This is besides the point that Sonic can just keep running and Samus can shoot as she runs.
    /
    “He needs to actually kill every character.
    Which he isn’t going to be doing at Mach 5. Nor will every character die in the split second he touches them.”
    /
    Sonic attacks by ramming them. If that wasn’t plain enough.
    /
    “Doesn’t matter since the explosion would kill her in a microsecond, before her or sonic can do anything about it by the time they react.”
    /
    Where are you getting a time frame of a microsecond? Cyrax would need to unload all his bombs after being teleported by Scorpion while Sonic in a second can reach MK and blitz and ram them before they do such things.

  88. Alpha or Omega October 30, 2014 at 5:28 am -      #88

    Okay, that was weird.
    /
    “It isn’t a rule, i never said it was.
    But the point i made still remains, and i’m very very certain OP didn’t want either side to have an omnipotent. We’ll just have to wait and see.”
    /
    Why should we let this person speak if we didn’t let anyone else speak such as Lady Ramkin in her match or sadot06 in the other?
    /
    “Yes. Unless there’s a reason as to why not.
    Does it take up a shit ton of Mana? Which limits the user?
    Does it end up draining the user of his health/stamina/soul?
    Does it take a ton of charge up time?
    If there’s no canon reason as to why not, or atleast something that SUGGESTS why not, then it’s a gameplay mechanic.”
    /
    Well, according to the manual, his use of special powers diminish and has to rely on vanquished foes on page 4.
    gamesdbase.com/Media/SYSTEM/Microsoft_Xbox/manual/Formated/Mortal_Kombat-_Armageddon_-_Midway_Games.pdf

  89. Sauroposeidon October 30, 2014 at 7:23 am -      #89

    I’ve seen suggestions in the past that not all finishers are canon, such as summoning an arcade machine or turning someone in to a baby. Do we know if they can actually planet bust or if that’s just meant to be some over the top joke?

  90. Cassie Hack October 30, 2014 at 10:26 am -      #90

    Speedster characters have caught up to and beaten to the place teleporters before. Flash, current Jubilee coming mostly to mind. That and do we know Cyrax can actually teleport halfway around the world in one go, is there actual hard evidence of this? Like say he teleports in a cutscene that far?

    That said no fighting game crossover is really canon, unless the next MK game has something about Scorpion going to the DC universe to verify it and the same for the any other MK game after the DCvMK crossover. I mean if that’s the case then Marvel vs Capcom is canon, SFvsSNK is canon, etc, etc, etc.

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    That and I’m with Sauro on this that finisher seems pretty much like a joke, considering the whole you can do it during any fight while playing the game, multiple times at that.

  91. pimpmage October 30, 2014 at 10:49 am -      #91

    Cass, mk characters can lose half the skin on their entire bodies and it resets between matches. Your argument is invalid.

  92. LadyRamkin October 30, 2014 at 11:40 am -      #92

    So, what Ragnorke seems to be suggesting is that in this match, where no prep-time is given, and the teams aren’t given prior knowledge of each others abilities, tactics, strengths, weaknesses ect. That the mortal kombat team will “spawn” in, and then immediately blowup the planet with no prior negotiation whatsoever? And in those 4 seconds that it takes for the bombs to be laid, scorpion will save enough people for them to win?….. Really?
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    I also note that in this particular match Ragnorke hasn’t suggested that since mortal Komabat has a multiverse they have infinite Sub-zero’s.

  93. Mea quidem sententia October 30, 2014 at 11:44 am -      #93

    About Samus struggling with canon fodder, I’m going to take one example of this “fodder”. Take the Zoomer and Geemer. Both have spikes. Ridiculous that someone in powered armor could be harmed by spikes, right?

    Let’s take Samus’ speed. She outran an avalanche. In the Team Anime vs. Team Video Game, I posted,

    “I suppose that’ll be useful for the second scenario. The first scenario, however, Zamus was able to outrun an avalanche in MOM and this was without the aid of the Speed Booster. That occurs after. The appearance of that avalanche looks like a powder type. The low-end would be 25 m/s, or 55.9 mi/h.

    The Power Suit, of course, does boost Samus’ athletic abilities. And since Samus would have to be running faster than the avalanche, I may as well just round 25 m/s to 30 m/s, which gives Samus a running speed of 67.08 mi/h.”

    I question the sharpness of my calculation for the Geemer’s sharpness at BankGamblingTopia, but I’ll work with it for now. That would mean Geemers have spikes with a tip of 4.418604651162796 cm^2.

    Samus is 90 kg. So 90 kg. * 30 m/s is 2,700 kg m/s. Taking 2,700 N / 4.418604651162796 cm^2 is 6.11052631578947 MPa. This isn’t only one spike, though, since those little guys have lots of spikes. So say three spikes hit Samus when she runs into those guys. That’s 18.33 MPa. Ouch!

    Also, yes, Sonic and Samus could just bull rush their foes to kill them. Taking Sonic alone, who is 35 kg. and can run Mach 5 on the low-end, he would produce 60,025 N (6.75 tons-force). Samus’ mass and speed exceeds this (90 kg. * 686 m/s = 61,740 N; 6.94 tons-force).

    www.avalanche.org/moonstone/zoning/avalanche%20dynamics.htm

  94. Friendlysociopath October 30, 2014 at 12:05 pm -      #94

    ” That the mortal kombat team will “spawn” in, and then immediately blowup the planet with no prior negotiation whatsoever? ”

    There’s negotiation in these matches?
    In any case, MK people probably wouldn’t think less of blasting their own team for a victory, seems sort of in character.
    It’s assuming characters will use their abilities to their fullest to achieve victory, unless there’s a specific CIS that prevents them from doing so.

  95. LadyRamkin October 30, 2014 at 12:10 pm -      #95

    So the moment the match starts Sektor will blow up the planet, Since he didn’t let anyone know what he was doing and since no one could possibly have seen this attack before, since canonically speaking there is still an earth in mortal kombat, he kills everybody and its a tie. GG WP.

    I suppose that if that is how we are doing it, the moment the matches starts sonic stops time, then an infinite number of super Sonic’s come back from the future, then they proceed to blow up the planet.

    Im with Sauroposeidon on this, is planet busting actually canon?

  96. pimpmage October 30, 2014 at 12:25 pm -      #96

    Just saying, if the 10 some odd bombs sector can drop will destroy the planet so utterly, just one single bomb will do more than enough to win this match.

  97. Alpha or Omega October 30, 2014 at 5:19 pm -      #97

    Yet, one bomb does little damage as seen in game.
    /
    Not that it matters since Sanic and Samus are too fast for Mortal Kombat.

  98. ReDruM October 30, 2014 at 6:28 pm -      #98

    Don’t know if this was brought up yet but according to MK3 without the protection of the Elder Gods Shao Khan can life wipe a planet in an instant via soul stealing and teraforming unless you are a chose Kombatant. Granted I don’t know if Current Incarnation Shao Khan has this ability but the purpose behind Mortal Kombat was to give planet a fighting chance.

  99. Chuck inglish October 30, 2014 at 6:33 pm -      #99

    Isn’t this just supposed to be the smash incarnations and not the characters from thier respective games? Also can’t smoke just planet bust and all mk characters get teleported out of the realm by teleporters such as raiden scorpion or people who can make portals. Quan chi Shang tsung Shao Kahn etc etc

  100. Sauroposeidon October 30, 2014 at 8:16 pm -      #100

    How has Mr.Game & Watch not solo’d this yet?

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