Gabriel Belmont Vs Link

Gabriel Belmont Vs Link

Suggested by Amm0vamp1r3

So Gabriel Belmont (Castlevania) runs a Link gauntlet (Legend of Zelda). He starts at Skyward sword and works his way through the timeline.

Which versions of Link can he beat and which beat him?

This is Dracula/Gabriel
Link has all his gear per game
Each fight takes place in Zelda’s castle

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82 Comments on "Gabriel Belmont Vs Link"

  1. Jake_Uzumaki October 24, 2014 at 8:06 am -      #1

    Dracula Gabriel vs Links. So in order the Links would be (and I may be separating versions that are one Link so if I am let me know)
    Skyward Sword
    Minish Cap
    Four Swords
    Ocarina of Time
    Wind Waker
    Phantom Hourglass
    Spirit Tracks
    Majora’s Mask
    Twilight Princess
    Four Swords Adventures
    Link to the Past
    Link Between Worlds
    The Oracles Games Link
    Link’s Awakening
    And last
    Legend of Zelda/Legend of Zelda 2 Adventure of Link

    I think I have that right correct?

    Dracula should be able to take most Link’s easily enough due to his speed and raw power, plus the lack of an explicit weakness to Evils Bane. The more combat oriented Links like Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess go down if possibly giving him a bit of trouble if he doesn’t take them seriously.
    It’s the Link’s with the more ridiculous over the top abilities that will be difficult, depending on if Dracula Gabriel can move fast enough to blitze them.

  2. Pizzarolla October 24, 2014 at 8:28 am -      #2

    Are the newer Castlevanias worth playing? I’ve heard some mixed things about them. I have a PC with a 360 controller, and I just want to know if I should give the games a shot…
    —–
    As far as the match, I don’t know much about either character, but based on what I’ve seen of Link in the past, I’m going to lean towards him for the time being.

  3. Jake_Uzumaki October 24, 2014 at 8:56 am -      #3

    I enjoyed both games.

    Even before he became Dracula Gabriel was an incredibly skilled and powerful warrior (he beat Kratos on this site) capable of causing his enemies to explode into blood and chunks of flesh with the sheer ferocity of his blows, and took getting impaled in the gut by Satan only to stand up pull the weapon out of his gut and literally stomp Satan into the ground.

    As Dracula his physical abilities were increased drastically, he gained the ability to manifest a Void Sword that sucks the life out of anyone the blade so much as clips weakening them with every blow, and his Chaos Claws are capable of shattering steel shields like glass at his peak and can burn the enemies soul.
    He also as Dracula survived an explosion from the backfire of a blast that was going to be used to lifewipe the planet (arguable how much of the blast hit him) and survived a massive holy nuke blast that could be seen from orbit.
    He’s also completely immune to the normal holy weapon weakness of most vampires.
    He can turn into smoke and reform and slam his fist to the ground hard enough to stagger hundreds of men at a time.
    Or he can turn into a great black dragon and burn everything around him to cinders.
    He can unleash blasts of fire, or blasts of freezing energy, and by spinning the Void sword he can create a sucking vacuum of air that pulls targets towards him to be rent apart like meat in a blender.

  4. Mea quidem sententia October 24, 2014 at 10:27 am -      #4

    Another badass image for Link! I like.

    I’d say Dracul wins in every battle. He’s stronger, faster, more durable, and his long-ranged attacks are faster than Link drawing his bow.

  5. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 10:57 am -      #5

    @Jake_Uzumaki

    Windwaker link and phantom hourglass link are the same guy

    A link to the past, oracles and links awakening are also the same guy

    also if Gabriel is evil, Evils bane should still affect him. Its not his sole weakness like Gannon, but it should still be a powerful weapon against him.
    The OP says “Link has all his gear per game” so would OoT link have to fight him twice, once with the OoT loadout and Once with the MM load out, or would he get composite stuff

  6. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 11:05 am -      #6

    “I’d say Dracul wins in every battle. He’s stronger, faster, more durable, and his long-ranged attacks are faster than Link drawing his bow.”

    so… every Zelda boss, ever.

  7. Rookie October 24, 2014 at 11:48 am -      #7

    Epic Match!

    @LadyRamkin

    “also if Gabriel is evil, Evils bane should still affect him.”

    He is neutral now. He only kills mortals for food or if they stand in his way, but he never have any hate towards them.
    Will Evils Bane work against him?

  8. Ragnorke October 24, 2014 at 11:54 am -      #8

    @LadyRamkin
    “so… every Zelda boss, ever.”

    99% of Zelda Bosses are slower than you, and drowned in gameplay mechanics + PiS.

    “The OP says “Link has all his gear per game” so would OoT link have to fight him twice, once with the OoT loadout and Once with the MM load out, or would he get composite stuff”

    He gets composite gear, meaning equip-able stuff.
    None of that faerie bullshit.

    “also if Gabriel is evil, Evils bane should still affect him. Its not his sole weakness like Gannon, but it should still be a powerful weapon against him.”

    I don’t see how Link would come within a few meters of Gabriel without being shredded to pieces

  9. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 11:59 am -      #9

    @Rookie
    If he kills people for getting in his way, whether he hates them or not is still pretty evil.
    —-
    Though i think in the original Japanese the master sword is actually “Demons bane”. But im not sure if we use that or the English localisation of “Evils bane”

  10. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 12:05 pm -      #10

    @Ragnorke
    “99% of Zelda Bosses are slower than you”

    I will concede that most are slower.

    “He gets composite gear, meaning equip-able stuff.
    None of that faerie bullshit.”

    That really isn’t for you to decide, also what constitutes “faerie bullshit”?

    “I don’t see how Link would come within a few meters of Gabriel without being shredded to pieces”

    There are multiple links and they all have their inventory quirks so link might be able to close the distance, but if Gabriel wants to shred link to pieces HE will have to close the distance. Either way the sword should come into effect. Or Gabriel has picked up some devastating ranged abilities that i don’t know about, which could very easily be the case.

  11. Rookie October 24, 2014 at 12:07 pm -      #11

    @LadyRamkin

    “If he kills people for getting in his way, whether he hates them or not is still pretty evil.”

    Link probably step on insects pretty often. Does this makes him evil?
    Dracul just doesn’t care about humans anymore.

  12. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 12:15 pm -      #12

    @Rookie

    So, if he went and killed a whole village of people that wouldn’t be evil because he doesn’t hate them?
    besides i’m not really sure how the sword determines what is evil, it might vary depending on who wields it but i don’t think so since it repels evil while still in its pedestal.

    also i retract my statement about most bosses being slower than link, Alot of them are at least as fast as he is, and Quite a few are defiantly faster.

  13. Jake_Uzumaki October 24, 2014 at 12:20 pm -      #13

    Gabriel is God’s (capital G creator of the universe God) chosen warrior on Earth, it don’t get much more immune to evil’s bane than having the Omnipotent seal of approval.

  14. Rookie October 24, 2014 at 12:21 pm -      #14

    @LadyRamkin

    “So, if he went and killed a whole village of people that wouldn’t be evil because he doesn’t hate them?”

    He only does things like that for food now. In all other cases humans are the ones who attacks him first now.
    Of course they have a good reason to do it.
    He was such an asshole in his past.
    Still now he is neutral… So I don’t know if the sword can work on him.
    I mean he is not human, more like a beast who feeds on humans….

  15. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 12:23 pm -      #15

    Is he? wasn’t he manipulated into saving he world by the devil?

  16. Rookie October 24, 2014 at 12:26 pm -      #16

    @LadyRamkin

    “Is he? wasn’t he manipulated into saving he world by the devil?”

    Nah, it turns out it was god who manipulated devil who in his turn manipulated Death who in his turn manipulated Gabriel into thinking that he was saving he world. Thanks to that Gabriel become a vampire and saved world.

  17. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 12:35 pm -      #17

    I… see

    @Jake_Uzumaki
    are you saying that the capital G creator of the universe, couldn’t have a champion that was evil?

  18. Jake_Uzumaki October 24, 2014 at 12:37 pm -      #18

    In the first part of the Game a Paladin tries to Evils Bane cross prayer spell nuke Gabriel, Gabe grabs the cross finishes the prayer and the nuke wiped out the Paladin and his whole army of holy warriors,
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=80dlL1MFoWo#t=698
    Around 11:42 it starts, 13:09ish we see the fuck huge explosion.

  19. Rookie October 24, 2014 at 12:40 pm -      #19

    @LadyRamkin

    “I… see”

    Honestly such plan was overcomplicated for no reason.

  20. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 12:42 pm -      #20

    There is no way to tell if that magic is evils bane or not, just being Holy, or light magic, which is more likey since we know they learn that, does not necessarily confer evils bane. In fact, shadow magic does more damage to enemies than light magic does.

    @Rookie
    especially since god should be able to just fix any problem he likes by… willing it. This whole manipulation scheme seems a bit pointless.

  21. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 12:45 pm -      #21

    In fact, shadow magic does more damage to enemies than light magic does.

  22. Rookie October 24, 2014 at 12:57 pm -      #22

    @LadyRamkin

    “especially since god should be able to just fix any problem he likes by… willing it. This whole manipulation scheme seems a bit pointless.”

    Considering the fact that god still ruined Gabriel life even more at the end of the second game (he promised him death and rest, and after Gabriel finished his part of deal, god was “meh, I change my mind. Have fun with your eternal life!”) I think that he was just having fun.

  23. Jake_Uzumaki October 24, 2014 at 1:19 pm -      #23

    In Castlevania Holy weapons and spells are Evils bane

  24. Amm0vamp1r3 October 24, 2014 at 1:23 pm -      #24

    Hey look at that my match got posted. Thanks admin!

  25. wingedlion October 24, 2014 at 1:26 pm -      #25

    “Considering the fact that god still ruined Gabriel life even more at the end of the second game (he promised him death and rest, and after Gabriel finished his part of deal, god was “meh, I change my mind. Have fun with your eternal life!”)”

    what are you talking about? that never happened.
    God didn’t promise him anything.
    Furthermore, Gabriel gains the vampire killer at the end of his journey, meaning he can kill himself if he wanted to, he just decided against it.

  26. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 1:27 pm -      #26

    @Jake_Uzumaki
    Where does it say that?

    @Amm0vamp1r3
    Could you please claify your rules. Does OoT link get 2 matches one for his appearance in OoT with OoT items and one for his MM appearance with MM items, or one match but with items from both games?

    what order does gabrieal fight the timelines?

  27. Amm0vamp1r3 October 24, 2014 at 1:29 pm -      #27

    castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Holy

  28. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 1:33 pm -      #28

    And does Gabriel return to full strength at the start of each match?

  29. Amm0vamp1r3 October 24, 2014 at 1:37 pm -      #29

    Yes he does return to full strength each match.

  30. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 1:37 pm -      #30

    That link (lol, link) doesn’t mention evils bane anywhere, and the holy thing doesn’t seem to apply to lords of shadow at all.

  31. Amm0vamp1r3 October 24, 2014 at 1:43 pm -      #31

    Haha link I see what you did there

    Yeah I was showing that as per fact pile rules holy shares enough similarities with evils bane that the two can be made equal

    One reason why Soma Cruz beat Ganandorf

    As for LoS well the vampire killer whip is the physical manifestation of gods power so it packs a might big wallop itself. That’s why it can kill “immortals”

  32. Mea quidem sententia October 24, 2014 at 1:56 pm -      #32

    Gabriel’s whip can cause enemies to explode and has demonstrated the ability to produce shock waves. That’s normal for a whip, but these shock waves are magnified in power.

  33. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 1:56 pm -      #33

    If, in this case, Holy=Evil’s bane, and Gabriel is immune to Holy then i don’t believe that any Link, except maybe the one from zelda 2, can even scratch him. Nothing the links have will have will be of any use. And this is a stomp for Gabriel.

    However i dispute that Evils bane and Holy are similar enough to be elementally compatible. The definition of Holy that i have hastily ripped from google is,
    “dedicated or consecrated to God or a religious purpose; sacred”
    The master sword is made by Hylian’s, for Hylian’s. It has the trait of “Evil’s bane”. Which is not conferred to it by gods as shown in WindWaker.

  34. Spectral Observer October 24, 2014 at 2:01 pm -      #34

    “There is no way to tell if that magic is evils bane or not, ”

    This is what the logbook has to say about the holy explosion:
    ===
    The Great Explosion

    Tangible differences in the sediment found under this land prove that a great explosion of energy had its epicenter at this very spot. Originally, geologists thought that it was the result of the impact of an enormous meteorite. However, following the recent discovery of numerous human remains, the hypothesis defended by the church has gained greater strength. It claims that the release of energy was the work of God Himself, and that it was He who channeled His power through Roland de Ronceval, His representative on Earth, to defeat the forces of evil. Even today, scientists and believers disagree on these theories. We pray that one day we might know the truth.
    -Lords of Shadow 2 Logbook
    ===
    Ain’t getting much better than God directly channeling His power. Since Alucard also survived the explosion as a result of inheriting Dracul’s immortality, his immunity to God’s power seems more like an inherited trait than a chosen one sort of deal. It was foreshadowed even in Mirror of Fate, where Dracul tells Simon that the weapon he held (Trevor’s replica Combat Cross) had no power over him.

    As for the subject of holy, LoS and classic CV has a few quirks about them that differentiates the two, besides the obvious fact that LoS is a reboot universe and as such operates under its own rules. Classic CV holy is potent against all creatures of the night (especially demons), regardless of if they are morally aligned with good or evil. It also always stays in full power. I never really delved much into LoS holy, but from what I can tell, time or corruption can weaken it just as it did Trevor’s Combat Cross 30 years after his death.
    ===
    The remains of a weapon originally created by Rinaldo Gandolfi. Although it retains some of its original power, years of use have worn its magical metal, so much of its legendary offensive capabilities have been lost. However, the intricate shape of the links enable Simon to grab enemies from a distance and swing from many places in the environment.
    -Combat Cross desription, Mirror of Fate
    ===
    Other examples of holy magic being used can be seen in the holy hand gren–er, I mean holy water flasks. I don’t remember them working against werewolves too well, but they made imps explode on contact, and weakened vampires enough to kill. Even the vampire queen was vulnerable to them as were her lieutenants. Of course there are cases like in LoS2, where God apparently decided “hey, I’m going to channel my power to wipe out this holy army, because I know it won’t work on the target they think it’s going to kill anyway.”

    What’s more, Gabriel’s Vampire Killer is apparently a physical manifestation of God’s power on Earth, just as Amm0 said. Yep, Gabe could have killed Satan permanently in the first one had he chosen to just stab him with the cross hilt. Behold, the Hand Wave of God:
    ===
    twitter.com/Enric_Alvarez/status/448438076181057536

  35. wingedlion October 24, 2014 at 2:07 pm -      #35

    “If, in this case, Holy=Evil’s bane, and Gabriel is immune to Holy then i don’t believe that any Link, except maybe the one from zelda 2, can even scratch him. Nothing the links have will have will be of any use. And this is a stomp for Gabriel.”

    Gabriel is not immune to holy, just extremely resistant to it.

    “However i dispute that Evils bane and Holy are similar enough to be elementally compatible. The definition of Holy that i have hastily ripped from google is,
    “dedicated or consecrated to God or a religious purpose; sacred”
    The master sword is made by Hylian’s, for Hylian’s. It has the trait of “Evil’s bane”. Which is not conferred to it by gods as shown in WindWaker.”

    I don’t see what it being made by the gods has anything to do with holy and evil’ bane not being compatible with each other.
    Holy in castlevania acts the same way evil’s bane does. it’s super effective against demons and dark creatures. those similarities should make it compatible with each other.

    With that being said, i think it was discussed that classic castlevania holy has shown to be much more effective against evil than LOS holy.

  36. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 2:09 pm -      #36

    “the hypothesis defended by the church has gained greater strength. It claims that the release of energy was the work of God Himself,”

    so its not actually proven if that was gods power or not, and even if it was Gods power that does not necessarily mean that it had Evils bane qualities.

  37. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 2:15 pm -      #37

    “Holy in castlevania acts the same way evil’s bane does. it’s super effective against demons and dark creatures”

    Then it DOESN’T act the same way as evils bane, well not LoZ evils bane anyway. Midna is a Twili and can use dark magic, the magic of her tribe created the fused shadows which in the original Japanese are called “crystallized evil”, yet the master sword had no effect on her whatsoever. But the moment link went near it, Gannons magic which came from an evil source was repelled.

    Loz evil bane wont affect characters that use dark powers unless that is how they are morally aligned, Which makes it different enough from Castlvania’s Holy attribute for them to not be elementally compatible.

  38. wingedlion October 24, 2014 at 2:25 pm -      #38

    @ladyrakmin
    If moral alignment allows you to ignore the effects of evil’s bane in LOZ, then that sounds like castlevania’s holy is better than evil’s bane, since it doesn’t care about whether your good or bad, only that you’re a dark or supernatural creature. Because as far as holy in castevania is concerned, if your a dark creature or if you use dark powers, you’re evil.

  39. Spectral Observer October 24, 2014 at 2:26 pm -      #39

    “Which makes it different enough from Castlvania’s Holy attribute for them to not be elementally compatible.”

    The fact that CV holy is extra potent against demons and evil creatures is what made it effective against Ganondorf in the match. It’s the anti-demon quality that cinched the deal. Other than that, CV holy and LoZ Evil’s Bane each have their own perks. While Evil’s Bane at least has the ability to not harm friendlies, CV Holy will not discriminate just because of moral alignment. Alucard from Symphony of the Night will die in seconds to Richter’s Hydro Storm (raining holy water) unless he’s wearing special equipment designed to protect against Holy. Meanwhile, Richter Belmont, the holy warrior who is possessed by an evil spirit at the time, remains immune to its effects.

    The finer details may be different, but the end result is the same: extra effectiveness against evil creatures (which just happen to be exclusively monsters in CV). In that sense they are elementally compatible. However, none of this really pertains to this match since as has been said before, LoS holy operates under different rules. I guess this match is a good enough reason as any to delve into its mechanics.

    EDIT: ninja’d by wingedlion. Man, I’m really getting rusty here.

    To address the point though, I don’t think one is inherently better than the other. CV holy though potent can potentially backfire against its user especially if said user is a creature of the night him/herself. Take Alucard for example. Most of Richter’s attacks would have been useless against him if CV holy cared about moral alignment. Just like in Twilight Princess, it doesn’t matter if you use dark power or not, but how you use it that matters.

  40. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 2:32 pm -      #40

    You seem to be missing the crucial distinction,
    LoZ Evil’s Bane Damages people that are Morally aligned evil, Whereas CV Holy targets those that use dark power. They aren’t the same ability at all, Lots of Morally evil characters is CV use dark powers. CV Holy would hurt them because they use dark powers BUT LoZ Evil’s bane would hurt them because they are morally evil. Just because the people that they hurt tend to overlap doesn’t men they are the same thing.

    Its like saying that a sword and a grenade launcher are the same thing.

  41. wingedlion October 24, 2014 at 2:34 pm -      #41

    “CV holy though potent can potentially backfire against its user especially if said user is a creature of the night him/herself.”

    Is it even possible for a creature of the night to use the holy element?

  42. Spectral Observer October 24, 2014 at 2:54 pm -      #42

    “CV Holy would hurt them because they use dark powers BUT LoZ Evil’s bane would hurt them because they are morally evil.”

    CV holy hurts creatures because they are evil. It says so in the manuals. There just happens to be an overlap as you said which makes CV holy unable to distinguish “evil” with “creature of the night.” The description for the cross in Portrait of Ruin says “a cross that dispels evil.” All holy weapons have this quality. It just so happens that that’s the cinch of using CV holy. It can and will backfire on you if you are a creature of the night as well. I am not saying that they are the same thing, but that that overlap is something that can make them potentially interchangeable save for a few details like restoring Zelda’s life force (OriginalA discussed this in another thread).

    “Is it even possible for a creature of the night to use the holy element?”

    Yes. Alucard can use the Holy Sword and Holy Rod, both of which will bypass an enemy’s default hp counter and kill them in a few hits regardless of level. He can also use the Holy Mail to make holy attacks useless against him. Soma who also uses dark powers can summon angels, use holy spells, and wield holy weapons like the Longinus Spear and the Claimh Solais. Julius Belmont can still curbstomp Soma to the ground with his holy attacks though, even though Soma is human.

  43. wingedlion October 24, 2014 at 2:54 pm -      #43

    “Its like saying that a sword and a grenade launcher are the same thing.”

    They don’t need to be the same thing. They just need to share similar traits. Which they do.
    They both are super effective against evil creatures. I never said that there weren’t any differences between them, but the main function of the elements remains the same. they both are designed to work on and kill evil things.

  44. wingedlion October 24, 2014 at 2:58 pm -      #44

    @observer
    Huh. I mean i understood that they could use holy weapons, but i didn’t know that they could use holy spells.
    Though now i’m wondering how does alucard or soma even hold the damn thing.

  45. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 3:07 pm -      #45

    @Spectral Observer
    “CV holy hurts creatures because they are evil”

    Using or being affiliated with Evil power does not mean that the wielder is evil right??

    what Im saying is that the master sword would never hurt Alucard, because it doesn’t hurt people based on their power.

    They target fundamentally different things.
    Holy is essentially Dark bane.

  46. Spectral Observer October 24, 2014 at 3:07 pm -      #46

    Back on topic.

    “so its not actually proven if that was gods power or not, and even if it was Gods power that does not necessarily mean that it had Evils bane qualities.”

    Let’s address this now shall we?

    In the cutscene, the Golden Paladin takes out his holy cross (which automatically weaken vampires in LoS and make ghouls literally explode into light in QTEs) and sees that it has no effect on Dracul. Then he starts chanting a prayer in Latin. The subtitles don’t catch all of it, but here is what I could gather:
    ===
    “Christus vivit. Christus regnat. Christus ab omni malo te defendat. Maledicti et Excommunicati daemones…invirtute istorum factorum Dei nominum. Mesias, Emmanuel, Sohter…Sabahot, Agios, Inchiros…Athanatos, Jehova, Adonai. [Gabriel’s talking makes the Paladin’s next lines really hard to decipher] Ubi fuerint haec nomina, et digna Dei, Praecipimus vobis…atque ligamus vos ut non habeatis…potestatem per pesten, nec per aliquod…quodeumque maleficium nocere ei…incantionem, neque…in anima, nec in corpore!”
    ===
    Roughly translated into English, the prayer says:
    ===
    Christ who lives. Christ who reigns. Christ [who] defends you all from evil. Evil and Excommunicated demons…there is power in the name of our God. Mesias, Emmanuel, Sohter…Sabahot, Agios, Inchiros…Atahanatos, Jehova, Adonai (pretty much names God is known by). Where these names have been, and worthy of God, we command you…and we bind you [so that] you will not be…able to harm us with some pest(curse?), or with…whatever evil spell, neither…in soul, nor in body!
    ===
    So the prayer was addressed to God, who channeled His power through the Golden Paladin. The logbook is written from the perspective of someone who was not there. We, however, get to see this event directly, and there is no doubt that this holy warrior, who is supposed to be God’s representative, was calling upon His power. From the translated prayer (which is still really awkward, but I did the best I could) we can gather that it was meant to ward off evil, and yet it did nothing to Gabriel or Alucard who was nearby. Is it divine intervention? Maybe, but the only real sign of that is the fact that God channeled His power in the first place. Alucard later fights Zobek’s Lieutenant in a church with Christ’s symbol overlooking them the entire time and nowhere do we get the indication that it had any effect on him. The resistance against holy seems to be inherited from Dracul in that case, since even powerful vampires like Laura flat out refuse to go near chapels let alone step in one.

  47. Spectral Observer October 24, 2014 at 3:13 pm -      #47

    “what Im saying is that the master sword would never hurt Alucard, because it doesn’t hurt people based on their power.

    They target fundamentally different things.
    Holy is essentially Dark bane.”

    I agree. My point, however, was that the overlap is what makes them elementally compatible. So if Link got transported to CV and had to fight a demon, his Master Sword would work just as well as the Vampire Killer would against demons in LoZ. They are functionally compatible even if loads of differences exist between the two systems. At least in terms of killing evil monsters. Link could get into a lot of trouble in his quests if he wielded the Vampire Killer instead of the Master Sword (training aside), but Alucard would probably do just fine in Dracula’s castle with the Master Sword.

    Fun tidbit: One of Soma’s summons, the Valkyrie, uses something that resembles the Master Sword:
    ===

    ===

  48. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 3:14 pm -      #48

    “we can gather that it was meant to ward off evil”

    That is under the assumption that God is good. Simply creating the universe doesn’t mean you aren’t evil. And considering the shit he puts Gabriel through its easy to make the argument that god is a petty sadist.

    I am just being devils advocate at this point…. Some would say i was doing that literally

  49. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 3:17 pm -      #49

    “So if Link got transported to CV and had to fight a demon, his Master Sword would work just as well as the Vampire Killer would against demons in LoZ.”

    Fair enough, but only if those demons were morally evil. They might just be protecting their home, which to be fair is being invaded in every CV game.

    But if they are compatible, most links stand no chance.

  50. Spectral Observer October 24, 2014 at 3:25 pm -      #50

    “That is under the assumption that God is good.”

    Yeah, God is kind of an ass in LoS. Still, it does roughly translate to an evil warding spell. Especially in the part where he is asking God to protect them from evil.

    No one in LoS is truly completely good or completely evil. Well, maybe Satan, but by the second game Lucy was turned into a typical Saturday morning villain rather than the guy who was angry at being kicked out of heaven just because he dared to question God’s authority. Zobek was also a scheming, power-hungry bastard, but that’s justified in him being the complete manifestation of the original Zobek’s dark side after his good half ascended into heaven. Okay, the acolytes can be classified as completely evil too. Maybe even most of LoS2’s cast since they were essentially turned into caricatures of the original LoS cast. I take back my initial statement. Even the Brotherhood of Light can’t really be considered “good” like the classic characters.

    “But if they are compatible, most links stand no chance.”

    This isn’t classic CV that we are talking about though, so all that distinction had nothing to do with the debate. Gabriel is from the LoS universe which is completely separate from classic CV. Classic CV holy has no bearing at all in this fight.

    Admittedly, when I first saw this post, I thought it was going to be a match against the human Gabriel Belmont instead of the vampire lord Dracul. I think that would have been more interesting, but that’s just me.

  51. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 3:33 pm -      #51

    Okay. let me rephrase, if Gabriel has a high resistance to Holy/Evil’s bane, Then most links are totally boned.

    The master sword/Evil’s bane is LoZ’s great equaliser. With out it link would not have been able to beat almost any of his games. It boosts the little Hylian up a couple of notches, and lets him go one-to-one with people that can tank castles exploding in their faces. Gannon and Gabriel are remarkably similar really. And without that advantage, link is screwed.

  52. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 3:38 pm -      #52

    After all this we still don’t know how many matches Gabriel has to fight.

  53. Spectral Observer October 24, 2014 at 3:42 pm -      #53

    @wingedlion
    “Huh. I mean i understood that they could use holy weapons, but i didn’t know that they could use holy spells.”

    Yep. Al can even cast a Grand Cross for some reason.

    “Though now i’m wondering how does alucard or soma even hold the damn thing.”

    Padded gloves? I’m not really sure. Maybe just the blades themselves are enchanted and not the handles.

  54. Moonbear95 October 24, 2014 at 3:50 pm -      #54

    Question about the equipment that would be worth mentioning before going any further (and i apologise if this has been brought up previously, but i saw no mention of it)… In reference to this debate, is the Hylian shield considered indestructible? And would this also mean that, in relevance to a select few Link’s, would this also extend to the Mirror shield, which is more resiliant to magic and AS strong as the Hylian shield?

  55. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 3:57 pm -      #55

    Skyward sword Link
    Fi – helpful analysis maybe?
    indestructible Hylian shield – much more durable than metal anyway
    can run?

    Minish cap Link
    Elzo – helpful analysis maybe?
    Four sword
    Mirror shield – repels magic

    Four sword link
    four sword permanent clones

    Ocarina of time Link
    Mirror shield – repels magic
    Nayru’s love – invulnerability
    Golden gauntlets – super strength
    Great fairy enchantment to be more durable
    Mirror shield – repels magic

    Majoras mask Link
    Fierce deity mask
    Great fairy enchantment to be more durable
    Mirror shield – repels magic

    Twilight princes Link
    cant wolf without midna
    Magic Armour – invulnerability
    Bomb arrows – might… probably not

    Four sword adventures Link
    four sword permanent clones

    Wind Waker Link
    Magic Armour – invulnerability
    Mirror shield – repels magic
    Camera – Selfies

    Phantom hour glass
    Phantom sword – limited time stops
    Fairy enhanced strength and endurance

    spirit track Link
    Never played

    A link to the past
    Never played

    Oracle of ages Link
    Nothing of note – that i can remember

    Oracle of seasons link
    Nothing of note – that i can remember

    Links awakening Link
    Never played

    A link between worlds
    can become intangible by becoming painting

    Legend of zelda
    Nothing of note – that i can remember

    Zelda 2
    Spells with large range of effects like:
    turning enemies into Bots
    screen wide AoE
    shields
    reflecting projectiles

    Some helpful items/abilities the Links. from memory so it might not be completely accurate.

  56. Spectral Observer October 24, 2014 at 4:01 pm -      #56

    “In reference to this debate, is the Hylian shield considered indestructible?”

    Aren’t there multiple shields going by that name? The one in Skyward Sword is the only one I know to be explicitly stated as indestructible.

    Besides that, even if the shield is indestructible, doesn’t mean its wielder is. When Gabriel’s punches can literally paste humanoid opponents and do things like this, will it really make a difference?

  57. Moonbear95 October 24, 2014 at 4:31 pm -      #57

    “Besides that, even if the shield is indestructible, doesn’t mean its wielder is. When Gabriel’s punches can literally paste humanoid opponents and do things like this, will it really make a difference?”

    True, but (in relevance to Twilight Princess) Link has been seen to outmatch opponents through strength aswell. Bare in mind that gorons are capable of breaking rocks bare handed like in the video you posted, and link sumo wrestled and beat them, admittedly with the help of the iron boots. Plus, he is also capable of lifting iron canonballs at least twice the side of his head extended distance without stregth enhancing items. He also uses the morning star weapon, which is well over three times the size of his head. So his strength is certainly to be reckoned with. Throw in a shield that has been considered indestructible (the hylian shield is available in twilight princess) and that is a fair counter to some of that strength.

  58. Moonbear95 October 24, 2014 at 4:32 pm -      #58

    “Besides that, even if the shield is indestructible, doesn’t mean its wielder is. When Gabriel’s punches can literally paste humanoid opponents and do things like this, will it really make a difference?”

    True, but (in relevance to Twilight Princess) Link has been seen to outmatch opponents through strength aswell. Bare in mind that gorons are capable of breaking rocks bare handed like in the video you posted, and link sumo wrestled and beat them, admittedly with the help of the iron boots. Plus, he is also capable of lifting iron canonballs at least twice the side of his head extended distance without stregth enhancing items. He also uses the morning star weapon, which is well over three times the size of his head. So his strength is certainly to be reckoned with. Throw in a shield that has been considered indestructible (the hylian shield is available in twilight princess) and that is a fair counter to some of Gabriel’s strength.

  59. LadyRamkin October 24, 2014 at 4:36 pm -      #59

    @Moonbear95
    Those iron balls are 3 times the size of his body, not just his head and only the skyward sword Hylian shield is indestructible

  60. Xornell October 24, 2014 at 4:39 pm -      #60

    Wanna say Gabriel clears.

  61. Spectral Observer October 24, 2014 at 5:13 pm -      #61

    Fortunately, Gabe has never been all about brute strength. As a human, his training had him exploiting openings in enemy movements and countering their blows. He used whatever was in the environment or equipped on the enemy to counter/kill them, often times using their own strength against them.
    ===
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb8OwxlZt9o&t=2m39s
    ===
    As a vampire, he keeps this training, demonstrated by his ability to stagger foes that are physically larger than him and potentially stronger. Speed-wise, he can apparently move faster than the eye can see.
    ===
    youtu.be/80dlL1MFoWo?t=1h25m23s
    ===
    His usual teleports leave smoky after-images regardless of whether he uses the short-ranged or long-ranged version, but as you can see in the video, neither of that is used. This point is also before he regains his mist form, which allows him to become invisible.

    In terms of stuff he can throw, there is this guy:
    ===
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPlAYOhQ7Uk&t=1m23s
    ===
    Dracul also uses his teleports to his advantage when fighting.
    ===
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNBX3Wo4yJM&t=5m15s

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaUOAve0E-Y&t=2m36s
    ===
    If need be, he can partially manifest his Dragon Form:
    ===
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqCZiRrjiY4&t=3m23s
    ===
    In Mirror of Fate, Dracul is immune to Alucard’s time slow:
    ===
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=83mU7nc7nnU&t=2m22s
    ===
    He also demonstrates a fighting style consisting of spamming levitation, teleportation, and mist, and dodges two consecutive whip strikes without looking. That’s with him playing around, as he knows at this point that he is fighting against his son and grandson. He is also deliberately restricting the use of his Void or Chaos powers during that fight. In LoS2, or in Mirror of Fate, Dracul does not hesitate to use his other weapons, and often opts for the Void Sword.

  62. Spectral Observer October 24, 2014 at 5:23 pm -      #62

    My previous post had too many links (heh), so in the mean time, I shall post this:
    ===
    img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140420213438/castlevania/images/0/02/Stolas_Clock%282%29.png
    ===
    The gist of it is, Dracul should be able to clear most of the gauntlet. I don’t know what he can do against the Links with the more exotic magical abilities, but he should be able to stand his ground against the rest of them.

  63. OriginalA October 24, 2014 at 5:33 pm -      #63

    “The master sword/Evil’s bane is LoZ’s great equaliser. With out it link would not have been able to beat almost any of his games.”

    LoZ, AoL, ST, PH, LA, MM, OoA, OoS, arguably MC and FS. All of these games do not require Evil’s Bane to complete. Six of them can be beaten with the most basic of weapons too.

    “And without that advantage, link is screwed.”

    Generally being able to become invulnerable is a pretty powerful advantage. Several incarnations of Link have this ability.

    SS has invulnerability potions.

    WW/PH has Magic Armor + Time Stop. Ice Arrows can flash freeze a volcano instantly. He can shatter man-sized frozen enemies with a single hit from the skull hammer.

    TP has Magic Armor

    OoT/MM has Nayru’s Love + infinite magic for 3 days. Also has strength to lift hilariously large pillars out of the ground and casually toss them through the air.

    LttP/Oracles/LA has selective intangibility/invisibility + invulnerability + more tools than any other Link. Such as the Fire Seeds that can burn man sized targets to ash in seconds (for reference, it takes about 90 minutes @ 1400-2100 F to burn an adult human body to ash… Fire Seeds do it in less than three seconds)… He can bounce these off walls, around corners, and in quick succession. He’s got about 5 different weapons that can accomplish the same feat at different scales (single target, at range, up close, large AoE, multiple shots). He also has seeds that cause temporary paralysis.

    LoZ/AoL has a magic rod that can burn at the same as the above. Thunder spell, Spell spell, neither of those can seriously be dodged once in range.

    EDIT:
    On Gabriel turning enemies into paste. Is that ever in cutscene? That just looks like a simple dying animation meant to remove the corpse from taking up memory. If you apply the same logic to Link then he causes his enemies to violently explode into dust most of the time, fall apart at the limbs because they have been presumably hacked to bits with only a single slice, or burst into flame occasionally.

  64. Jake_Uzumaki October 24, 2014 at 5:46 pm -      #64

    There was a quick time event in the first game where you grapple enemies in a swamp and punch them several times with the last punch being more forceful and causing them to explode into chunks, QT’s are generally considered canon yes?

  65. Spectral Observer October 24, 2014 at 5:51 pm -      #65

    “On Gabriel turning enemies into paste. Is that ever in cutscene?”

    Most of the time it takes place in QTE, especially finishers or grabs, or if Gabe hits them hard enough in gameplay (justified in the second game with his Shadow Whip’s description saying that it forcefully liquefies enemies when it rips out their life force).

    There is this one cutscene though:
    ===

    ===
    So yep, it does take place in a cutscene.

  66. LadyRamkin October 25, 2014 at 4:10 am -      #66

    @OriginalA
    I was under the impression that the silver arrows, phantom sword and four sword were all evils bane.

    I am curious as to how OoT link has infinite magic for 3 days, I’ve never encountered that before.

    And its still not clear if Gabriel has to fight each Link with composite equipment, or one Link for every game with that games set of equipment.

  67. OriginalA October 25, 2014 at 4:48 am -      #67

    “I was under the impression that the silver arrows, phantom sword and four sword were all evils bane.”

    Silver Arrows are implied but not explicitly stated. They have a mysterious, unnamed property to them that harms Ganon. That is all.

    The Four Sword is Evil’s Bane, but it having Evil’s Bane is not plot relevant (or even mentioned in any game aside from FSA, which I did not list for that reason). The other properties of the Four Sword were required in FS and MC; not the Evil’s Bane.

    Phantom Sword works off of The Force or Life Force (multiple names; same energy). This is effectively a divine power source. Evil’s Bane is fueled by this but the Phantom Sword itself is never said to have Evil’s Bane.

    My point is that there are other elements within the LoZverse aside from Evil’s Bane that are weaponized to great effect against whatever demon lord they are fighting at the time.

    AoL, MM, OoA, OoS, and LA all do not require any special weapon to clear (AoL requires some spells but they are kinda generic; MM requires tools and the Ocarina of Time; OoA, OoS and LA require plot coupons that have no combat value and tools). At the very least 30% of the games can objectively be said to be beatable without any kind of weaponized metaphysical abstract. LoZ, ST, PH, MC, and FS weaponize a metaphysical abstract that is either apart from, or not officially recognized as Evil’s Bane. That bumps the games list that don’t depend on Evil’s Bane up to 59%.

    I can objectively now state that Evil’s Bane is directly responsible for less than half of Link’s victories throughout the series. Without Evil’s Bane he could still win most of the battles.

    As for those other two points.
    I always assume that any given individual incarnation of Link will have access to his arsenal from all of the games he was in. The infinite magic comes from MM, which directly follows the same Link from OoT.

    That said, the opening post does seem to imply that we are going on a per game basis, so I will withdraw that claim since it only applies when you assume he has his arsenals from both OoT and MM.

  68. LadyRamkin October 25, 2014 at 5:00 am -      #68

    @OriginalA
    you make very good detailed points, and i agree with everything you have said. But when i asked about 3 days of magic, i actually wanted to know what item grants it.

  69. Mea quidem sententia October 25, 2014 at 9:58 am -      #69

    The Chateau Milk grants infinite magic for three days, LadyRamkin.

  70. Jake_Uzumaki October 25, 2014 at 11:08 am -      #70

    “starts at Skyword Sword and works his way through the Timeline”

    If I had to guess I’d say he fights each Link with all their gear in chronological order, from the first one (Skyward) to the last one (Legend of Zelda 1&2)

  71. Ciridae Hunter October 25, 2014 at 11:43 pm -      #71

    Majora’s Mask is a definite win with the Deity Mask-Skyward Sword is a definite fail and will be killed more than once because even Gabriel hates Skyward Sword, Twilight Princess is a win since Midna is technically a part of his on-hand stuff (plus wolf-form Link is an edge since Midna actually contributes unlike Navi with her small fairy body).

    Other than that Gabriel has an edge with his vampiric body (granted Link must be pretty damn durable since he handles shit like Volvagia and walks on lava relatively easily even without his red tunic)

    Does Link have his uniforms in games that changes them (OoT and TP being examples)?

  72. Ciridae Hunter October 25, 2014 at 11:47 pm -      #72

    Dracula is evil-considering God is the creator of all things He/She also created evil and all of the suffering in the world, it isn’t too far-fetched to say that God created a champion that wouldn’t be bound by rules of regular morality-thus…evil.

  73. Friendlysociopath October 26, 2014 at 12:10 am -      #73

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUcUz5Vo6iw

    Okay, so aside from a mixture of fast, powerful and teleporting attacks that make LoZ enemies look like they’re fighting in jello- Gabriel/Dracula is clearly an Alien. His blood is apparently acidic enough to destroy some medieval mech.
    He can possess his opponents through blood or a type of black smoke.
    He has telekinesis and the ability to become incorporeal by turning into smoke/mist.
    He can also slow/stop time.

    I’m pretty sure most of the Links are screwed, particularly since we’re going on a game-by-game basis. Honestly the shield is almost useless here, the whip can just go around it by virtue of being a whip. How much energy is required for him to make that crater at the start? He has to hit pretty hard to knock hundreds of fully armored knights through the air.

  74. Ciridae Hunter October 26, 2014 at 12:20 am -      #74

    If we look at game mechanics, Gabriel will mostly win by default since Link games are more along the lines of epics rather than the Michael Bay movies of fantasy.

    Fantasy mechanics make it a little more even considering enemies like Volvagia that nearly wiped out the Gorons and final bosses like Ganon and Demise which use divine powers and still get defeated (the hated prophecy loop comes into play here).

    Since we’re going game mechanics/lore, then so long as their fight isn’t set in prophecy then Gabriel has this mostly in the bag (aside from the two definite wins for Link that I mentioned).

  75. Ciridae Hunter October 26, 2014 at 12:22 am -      #75

    Too bad Link doesn’t use Shardblades or Shardplate-but that is a different thing entirely.

  76. Rookie November 16, 2014 at 3:32 am -      #76

    Dracula for BankGambling Award.

  77. Ciridae Hunter November 16, 2014 at 3:42 am -      #77

    I second that. He’s too much of a badass to be ignored.

  78. OriginalA November 16, 2014 at 5:41 am -      #78

    Is this Dracula effected by sunlight?

  79. Rookie November 16, 2014 at 5:49 am -      #79

    @OriginalA

    “Is this Dracula effected by sunlight?”

    Probably no, but I could be wrong.

  80. Amm0vamp1r3 November 16, 2014 at 7:46 am -      #80

    Dracula is not bothered by sunlight as seen in the Satan boss fight

    6:00

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=AVmmdSsjzfM

  81. Spectral Observer November 26, 2014 at 11:37 pm -      #81

    “Majora’s Mask is a definite win with the Deity Mask”

    Why is that? I thought all it did was make Link adult-sized and gave him sword beams. Mind you, these are abilities that other incarnations of Link can do on their own anyway.

    “Skyward Sword is a definite fail”

    I don’t know anything about this Link, other than him being a good swordsman, but okay.

    “Twilight Princess is a win since Midna is technically a part of his on-hand stuff (plus wolf-form Link is an edge since Midna actually contributes unlike Navi with her small fairy body)”

    Outside help rule prevents Midna from being a part of the match. Besides that, even if Link could turn into his wolf form through the cursed object, he would be unable to reform without Midna’s assistance. In addition, even if Midna was in the match, I don’t see her contributing much of anything besides prolonging the battle by a little bit. Gabe’s used to dealing with crowds, and the best I’ve seen Midna is possibly blowing up Hyrule castle, which is great, but by the end of the game, Gabe tanked a blast that was supposed to life-wipe the planet.

    “Dracula is evil-considering God is the creator of all things He/She also created evil and all of the suffering in the world, it isn’t too far-fetched to say that God created a champion that wouldn’t be bound by rules of regular morality-thus…evil.”

    That, or Gabe is just amoral. If Gabe is not bound by the rules of morality, that does not automatically make him evil. He isn’t completely good either though and by the end is closer to a very dark shade of grey as opposed to Alucard’s neutral grey. The Master Sword should still work on Gabe I suppose, but then Link would have to get past his blocks and counterattacks, his force fields, and the fact that his skin can make monster-arm-slicing boomerangs bounce off without a scratch.

  82. LadyRamkin July 26, 2015 at 10:56 pm -      #82

    Skyward sword link – triforce victory

    Minish cap, repeated spamming of the cane of pacci ensure victory against any and all opponents

    Four sword – eh, depends on their gear

    Ocarina of time – golden gauntlets + Nayrus love – victory

    Majoras mask – Stone mask – victory

    TP link – UUUUG defeat

    Four swords adventures – Gear again

    Windwaker – Power braclet + magic armour + cute as a button – victory

    Phantom hour glass – Timestop victory

    Spirit tracks – not played it

    ALttP – ALL THE HAX – victory

    OoS/OoA / that bitch can jump ON COMMAND – victory

    Links awaening – not played it

    A link between worlds – Cant kill a painting – stalemate

    LoZ – Loss

    LoZ2 – not played

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