Queen of Blades Vs Goku

Queen of Blades Vs Goku

Suggested by Cyrus Mahir

For this fight we have the Queen of Blades (StarCraft) going up against Goku (Dragon Ball Z)

Goku after the Freiza saga.

Fight starts in Moscow.

Who wins?

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117 Comments on "Queen of Blades Vs Goku"

  1. Parry Boy October 22, 2014 at 6:54 am -      #1

    Everyone knows Goku.
    It’s time we know about the Queen and Her Blades, won’t you agree?

  2. Kitten Lord October 22, 2014 at 7:23 am -      #2

    Ill put my bets with her majesty for now. Ive seen some quotes on lightspeed thoughtspeed and what not and I have the books myself but I dont belive shes that fast, but shes no slouch either.

    I think if she plays smart, uses her full psi power at her command she can take this. If she fights Goku the same way she fought Narud she would lose but theres obvious reasons why she would not do this, she is going all out here.

  3. Tyran October 22, 2014 at 9:19 am -      #3

    How is this supposed to be fair? Goku is a planet buster with FTL, Kerrigan isn’t. Goku fires in Kerrigan’s general direction and disintegrates her.

  4. MonkeyKingMahir October 22, 2014 at 9:24 am -      #4

    I believe this will be a close fight mainly because both can fly, can use devastating moves through psionics and the ki blasts, the only thing that Kerri may have over goku is the ability to breathe in space 🚀.

  5. PositiveAnion October 22, 2014 at 9:37 am -      #5

    Does the Queen of Blades have her swarm?

  6. Kitten Lord October 22, 2014 at 9:40 am -      #6

    Shes made an army large enough to take over a huge protoss vessel on a whim, with a “host” (goku?) for a small organism.

    Doubt she gets the swarm with her here, would be OP.

  7. OberHerr October 22, 2014 at 10:02 am -      #7

    Pretty sure Goku would still stomp, even with the Swarm. Just would take awhile.

  8. Kitten Lord October 22, 2014 at 10:11 am -      #8

    Saiyan DNA and Zerg biostructure..hmm…Goku would likely just get infested with so many zerg.

  9. MonkeyKingMahir October 22, 2014 at 10:40 am -      #9

    If you read this is goku only at ssj 1 so I don’t think he had FTL at this stage and also if Kerri had the swarm goku even with ssj god he would get wrecked

  10. Kitten Lord October 22, 2014 at 10:44 am -      #10

    Did he ever go FTL? In all my time on the site Goku has never been shown as FTL, even in his fight with bills?

    Kerrigan implies should could rip a planet in half, although she never did it. Her psionic power was vast though, as in planet wide storms just from her output of becoming the primal queen.

  11. MonkeyKingMahir October 22, 2014 at 10:47 am -      #11

    Ps how do I change my profile pick

  12. Kitten Lord October 22, 2014 at 10:52 am -      #12

    I am no sure, never found out myself lol.

    Doesnt Kerrigan have mind powers as well? Didnt she mind control Raszagal?

  13. MonkeyKingMahir October 22, 2014 at 10:56 am -      #13

    Yeah and she looks at Marines and makes the head melt from the inside

  14. Jolttra October 22, 2014 at 11:00 am -      #14

    Yeah, I’m going Goku on this one. Worse comes to worse he can fly imto the air well out of her reach and blow up the general 30 mile radius she is inhabiting.

  15. MonkeyKingMahir October 22, 2014 at 11:02 am -      #15

    Considering Kerri flys too then that wouldn’t really help him also her razoror psi storm would shred goku into pieces

  16. Kitten Lord October 22, 2014 at 11:10 am -      #16

    @Joltra

    “Worse comes to worse he can fly imto the air well out of her reach”

    How far, out of interest do you think her reach is? As monkey said she can fly.

  17. Tyran October 22, 2014 at 11:25 am -      #17

    If you read this is goku only at ssj 1 so I don’t think he had FTL at this stage and also if Kerri had the swarm goku even with ssj god he would get wrecked

    Goku has the teleportation, which is a form of FTL. He can literally teleport to the other side of the planet, and then shoot at Kerrigan through the planet.

  18. Jolttra October 22, 2014 at 11:41 am -      #18

    She can fly? That would have been interesting to see in the game. Anyway, can she reach the Exosphere?

  19. StarscreamTheBrave October 22, 2014 at 12:27 pm -      #19

    Didn’t she dominate Raszagal’s mind from an extreme distance? If he’s in range to fire ki, he’s in range of her psionics, I should think. And there’s no way he moves as quickly as thought.

  20. Cassie Hack October 22, 2014 at 12:32 pm -      #20

    teleportation isn’t the same as FTL, it’s a form of instantaneous travel.People like the Flash hell current Jubilee has kept up/outpaced teleporters

  21. MonkeyKingMahir October 22, 2014 at 12:34 pm -      #21

    Plus at the time goku hadn’t developed instant transmission. So no teleportation for him and in the ending cinematics she does fly in HOTS plus wven if he had to blowing her through the planet would destroy the planet leaving him to die in viod of space

  22. Guardian Dualgunner M1911A1 October 22, 2014 at 12:38 pm -      #22

    Forgive me if I am wrong, but didn’t Goku learn Instant Transmission between the Cell and Frieza sagas? Would that not count as “after Frieza saga”, given that the next time in the series we see Goku, he has the ability?

  23. Pizzarolla October 22, 2014 at 12:44 pm -      #23

    Does Goku have any resistance to psychic attacks? I don’t recall him ever fighting someone that was able to control his mind.
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    As has been mentioned, Kerrigan can cause a psychic storm that can cover a planet. I don’t think Goku was at planet busting level at SSJ1. In fact, he used his ultimate attack, a Spirit Bomb, on Freiza, and while it wrecked a large area, it was nowhere near planet busting. Also, he needed a good deal of wind up time to pull that off, and that’s just not something he’d get with Kerrigan.
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    While I don’t think Kerrigan would be able to keep up with Goku, she is still quite fast, and could avoid any long ranged attacks that Goku got off. Also, her range of destruction is further than Goku’s is. Planet wide psionic storm vs. few mile radius explosion.

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    According to the BankGambling wiki, “Range: Several hundred meters with ranged attacks at least, Multi Star System+ level with telepathy.”
    Can Goku top that?

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    Anyone have any speed feats for Kerrigan? At this point, that’s the only area I see Goku winning. He’s faster than the naked eye can see, so if he has psychic resistance, he could theoretically get inside melee range and tear Kerrigan limb from limb. Anyone have anything to add to this theory?

  24. MonkeyKingMahir October 22, 2014 at 12:46 pm -      #24

    Guess that I try he. Case by it also takes goku a couple second to use this ability and still doesn’t change the fact if he did blow up the planet he couldn’t survive in the vacuum of space in which Kerri van and plus she regens so he would have to completely obliterate her while aiming through the planet

  25. Kitten Lord October 22, 2014 at 12:57 pm -      #25

    Isnt Kerrigan also decently durable? Regen aside, I recall her just sort of stomping through Terran vehcles and their made of some sort of super metals or something?

  26. MonkeyKingMahir October 22, 2014 at 12:59 pm -      #26

    Neo steel

  27. Tsubodai October 22, 2014 at 1:49 pm -      #27

    Planetary is generous for kerrigan’s physical attacks – i ran the numbers once and came out to an energy output of around 100 megatons per second – so two of the largest nukes ever exploded by mankind. It’s under the zerg vs. necromorph thread, i think. Goku probably wins a physical contest, and if they start close enough he can probably kill her before she can react. If, on the other hand, she has even a single second to focus on him with her psychic powers, he’s toast. She can crush even elder protoss minds like Razshagal’s, never mind what she casually does to the non-psionic. Goku simply does not have the mental fortitude to match her in a contest of minds, his only hope is to kill her before she can react – and given his absurd charge-up times for all his good attacks, i don’t like his odds.

  28. Envoy October 22, 2014 at 2:05 pm -      #28

    “Would that not count as “after Frieza saga”, given that the next time in the series we see Goku, he has the ability?”
    +
    Directly after the Frieza Saga is the Mecha Frieza Saga, where Goku appears and has instant transmission. So yeah, he should know.
    =
    “I don’t think Goku was at planet busting level at SSJ1.”
    +
    He was planet busting in the saiyan saga.
    =
    “In fact, he used his ultimate attack, a Spirit Bomb, on Freiza, and while it wrecked a large area, it was nowhere near planet busting.”
    +
    King Kai who made the Spirit Bomb stated that it was a planet busting attack. The damage we see is not the atttack itself hitting the planet, but its recoil.

  29. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 22, 2014 at 2:25 pm -      #29

    “Goku has the teleportation, which is a form of FTL. He can literally teleport to the other side of the planet, and then shoot at Kerrigan through the planet.”

    Goku needs a ki signature and time to focus in order to IT.
    =
    “Goku has the teleportation, which is a form of FTL. He can literally teleport to the other side of the planet, and then shoot at Kerrigan through the planet.”

    AFAIK there’s only one feat that actually looks like FTL in the entire series, and that’s when Whis takes Bills to KKP from his fortress thing.
    =
    “goku a couple second to use this ability and still doesn’t change the fact if he did blow up the planet he couldn’t survive in the vacuum of space”

    As of the BotG Goku can survive in space.
    =
    Off topic, but next week(Tuesday)Avengers Age of Ultron trailer is coming out.

  30. MonkeyKingMahir October 22, 2014 at 2:43 pm -      #30

    But this is before BotG just to let you in on the scenario

  31. Ragnorke October 22, 2014 at 3:05 pm -      #31

    1. Goku has never been anywhere near speed of light, let alone FASTER than light.
    Not in normal form, and not in Super Saiyan.

    2. IT is a form of displacement, not movement.
    It won’t help Goku hit a target with faster movement/reaction speeds than himself, and it won’t help him avoid hits from an enemy with faster movement/reaction speeds than himself.

    3. IT is not in fact instant.
    It DOES rely on his Reaction speed, which is not Faster Than Light, let alone “instant”

    4. Judging by Gokus “Mind, Body, & Soul” style training, you would assume he has some form of metal resistances. However assumptions are useless unless properly backed up.
    Vegeta has been mind-raped, proving that Saiyans don’t have innate mind-resistance capabilities.

    5. It comes down to whether Goku can kill Kerrigen before she mind-fucks him.
    My bet is that he can’t.

    So there’s my opinions on this fight.

  32. Kara Zor-El October 22, 2014 at 3:29 pm -      #32

    Ps how do I change my profile pick

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  33. Jake_Uzumaki October 22, 2014 at 3:48 pm -      #33

    OP says after Frieza saga…nothing else. Botg is after Frieza saga..

  34. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 22, 2014 at 3:49 pm -      #34

    “But this is before BotG just to let you in on the scenario”

    It says after Frieza saga, BotG is after Frieza saga.
    =
    “3. IT is not in fact instant.
    It DOES rely on his Reaction speed, which is not Faster Than Light, let alone ‘instant'”

    In a sense. The actual teleportation part is, but the focusing and locating to ki signatures isn’t. Not sure if you’ve that’s what you meant though.

  35. Alpha or Omega October 22, 2014 at 3:52 pm -      #35

    Uh, guys. MonkeykingMAHIR is probably the same guy as Cyrus MAHIR so what he says is probably word, and this is before 50 posts.

  36. LadyRamkin October 22, 2014 at 4:30 pm -      #36

    What planet did Goku blow up?

  37. Ragnorke October 22, 2014 at 4:38 pm -      #37

    @CH1
    I’m aware the act of teleportation itself is instant, but that doesn’t mean Goku can use it instantly…. So yea, Reaction time, lifting his hand to his forehead, focusing the Chi… All that jazz takes a little bit of time.

  38. jackn8r October 22, 2014 at 5:06 pm -      #38

    Unless Kerrigan can mind control Goku at the start of the match, Goku stomps.

  39. Ragnorke October 22, 2014 at 5:19 pm -      #39

    @jackn8r
    Well there’s nothing stopping her from doing it.
    The question is, can he kill her before she does.

    Her mind rape is fast enough to travel many lightyears in seconds… So…

  40. Kitten Lord October 22, 2014 at 5:28 pm -      #40

    Can her mind rape do that or was that just her thought speed? Theres a difference, ive read the same book, the one with Jacob ramsey, rosemary dahl? She can communicate with her swarm instantly but her actual fighting speed, her reactions and what not have been shown by Starcraft 2 to be slower, Mengsk got the better of her, narud impaled etc.

    If however she can “mind control” at that sort of speed, then she wins.

  41. Ragnorke October 22, 2014 at 5:43 pm -      #41

    @Kitten Lord
    I believe her mind control itself travels at that speed. But it would still depend on her Reaction time, which i’m not too sure of.
    Similar to how Gokus IT allows him to travel instantly, but he can’t use it instantly.

  42. MonkeyKingMahir October 22, 2014 at 5:59 pm -      #42

    Sry bout the wording I used when requesting I meant ssj 1 right after the freizza saga its my first time requesting

  43. the watcher October 22, 2014 at 7:51 pm -      #43

    Kerrigan, while powerful, doesn’t have the abilities needed to fight Goku. There was one case of her mind controlling a protoss from long distance, but said protoss was old and, while respected, less powerful than Zeratul/Tassadar/other good ‘toss. In her enhanced form after her trip to Zerus in HoTS, she was nearly killed by Narud, who wasn’t that spectacular in terms of his abilities(less powerful than the hybrids that Zeratul killed one of, and Kerrigan killed a lot of), and she failed to kill Zeratul. All of these showings are much more consistent than the one off mind control, and making marines heads blow up isn’t exactly difficult, given that high templar have to focus NOT to do that.

  44. Ragnorke October 22, 2014 at 8:57 pm -      #44

    “In her enhanced form after her trip to Zerus in HoTS, she was nearly killed by Narud, who wasn’t that spectacular in terms of his abilities(less powerful than the hybrids that Zeratul killed one of, and Kerrigan killed a lot of), and she failed to kill Zeratul.”

    Because those people can resist mind-rape? And she had to fight them hand to hand?
    Goku can’t resist it.

  45. the watcher October 22, 2014 at 9:42 pm -      #45

    “Because those people can resist mind rape”

    So, theoretically, could any protoss with decent training. That was obviously not the case with the elder, who was still more powerful than the average zealot. Either way, I’m just pointing out that some of the stuff that was mentioned here earlier is way out of proportion compared to what she usually can do.

  46. Friendlysociopath October 22, 2014 at 9:53 pm -      #46

    I swear I read somewhere that Goku had resistance to mind-rape; for the life of me I can’t remember where though.

    It had something to do with Chio, Chia, Chou- okay I never watched DBZ; it’s the little albino kid that blows himself up on Nappa.

  47. Warlock Lowk October 22, 2014 at 10:23 pm -      #47

    ” it’s the little albino kid that blows himself up on Nappa.”

    It’s sad that is how people remember him… wait no funny, funny is the word I’m thinking of.
    ===
    youtu.be/hgV6C6KnEhw?t=22s
    Is this the storm thing everyone is talking about?
    22seconds in

  48. Tarbel October 23, 2014 at 2:27 am -      #48

    I agree with Parry Boy. So what is the Queen of Blades’ level of speed?

  49. Tyran October 23, 2014 at 9:17 am -      #49

    Guys, you aren’t understanding the level of difference in power. Back in Dragon Ball, Roshi exploded the moon, a feat later repeated by Piccolo in the Saiyan Saga. And after that Nappa destroyed a planet.

    Goku’s SSJ form is vastly, vastly stronger than any of the mentioned above. Kerrigan’s megatons mentioned above are nothing compared with Roshi (you need petatons to destroy the moon), let alone Goku.

  50. StarscreamTheBrave October 23, 2014 at 10:56 am -      #50

    Yeah, but if his mind gets dominated, and I have to believe it can, as he really doesn’t have the mental defenses to defend himself, how much firepower he’s got won’t matter. As a side note, I really don’t think Raszagal’s age meant her defenses were THAT much “weaker”, she was the Matriarch of the Dark Templar for a reason. Yeah, Zeratul may have been more powerful, due in part to being younger I assume, but the she was still a powerful psionic, and in a psionic battle for her mind, she lost…badly.

  51. Tsubodai October 23, 2014 at 4:01 pm -      #51

    @the watcher

    You’re right. It’s not hard to make marines heads’ explode. However, to demonstrate that she cannot mind control Goku, you still need to explain why we should believe Goku’s mind is harder to explode than a marine’s. Remember, kiddie Kerrigan accidentally blew her parents’ heads off, and since then she’s had training, infestation upgrades, and a metric ton of practice. You need to demonstrate that Goku cannot be mind-raped by someone capable of mind-rape, or discussion of how strong her mind-rape is doesn’t matter.

  52. Tyran October 23, 2014 at 4:25 pm -      #52

    If Mengsk had enough time to gloat, push a button and almost kill Kerrigan; then Goku, someone that is to fast to be followed by the naked eye, has enough time to rise a hand and vaporize Kerrigan.

  53. Friendlysociopath October 23, 2014 at 5:42 pm -      #53

    “You’re right. It’s not hard to make marines heads’ explode. However, to demonstrate that she cannot mind control Goku, you still need to explain why we should believe Goku’s mind is harder to explode than a marine’s.”

    An exploding head is a physical act, no amount of telepathy or mind-rape should be able to accomplish such an act. Furthermore, as a physical act- Goku’s feats speak for themselves, his bones, skin, and muscles are many times stronger than regular marines.

  54. Ragnorke October 23, 2014 at 6:11 pm -      #54

    “An exploding head is a physical act, no amount of telepathy or mind-rape should be able to accomplish such an act. ”

    Filling someones mind with too much information and memories, causing it to malfunction and explode. Similar to a computer.

    The exterior of Gokus brain may be strong, but it can still just shut down.

  55. Friendlysociopath October 23, 2014 at 6:51 pm -      #55

    “Filling someones mind with too much information and memories, causing it to malfunction and explode. Similar to a computer.”

    Your brain will not explode no matter how much information you put into it. Neither will your computer.
    Following that train of thought however, Goku’s mind is capable of storing more information than ours because he sees things at higher speeds and reacts to them- it’s not sheer muscle memory, he is seeing things and responding to them. Thus his brain would be able to store more information than a standard person.

    For what it’s worth, he’s also intercepted telepathic messages across the galaxy and read Krillin’s mind; so it’s not as if he has no experience in the psychic field.
    The albino kid also uses some sort of psychic attack on him but I don’t remember the details for that.

  56. jackn8r October 23, 2014 at 7:04 pm -      #56

    “There was one case of her mind controlling a protoss from long distance, but said protoss was old and, while respected, less powerful than Zeratul/Tassadar/other good ‘toss.”

    Said Protoss matriarch had better mental barriers than Goku still.

    ” Zerus in HoTS, she was nearly killed by Narud, who wasn’t that spectacular in terms of his abilities”

    Kerri’s pretty vulnerable to mental taunts and such herself-which Narud specializes in. Besides, Narud does have a pretty potent beam-o-death. Nothing compared to Goku for sure, but without PIS restraints a speedblitz might be plausible. I’m hesitant to completely side with Kerrigan though because Goku is…Goku. The guy who gets compared to Superman all the time.

    ” she failed to kill Zeratul”

    If you’re referring to WoL-She didn’t intend to kill Zeratul.
    If you’re referring to HOTS-…Zeratul allowed her to beat the shit out of him because his only goal was to give her a vision which would open her eyes to the whole thing and probably make her not want to kill him anymore. Obviously she wouldn’t just attempt to fry his mind, she wanted to beat him to a pulp to make revenge personal. In other words: PIS that allowed Zeratul to change her focus/mind with information.

    “If Mengsk had enough time to gloat, push a button and almost kill Kerrigan; then Goku, someone that is to fast to be followed by the naked eye, has enough time to rise a hand and vaporize Kerrigan.”

    The repartee between Kerrigan and Mengsk can be attributed to PIS. Highly personal gotta-enjoy-every-last-second-of-this-beatdown-I’m-about-to-give-you type revenge.


    Kerrigan blinked. Her mind, processing at light speed, sensed something and latched onto it. A psionic disturbance, far, far distant. Of great magnitude—it would have to be for her to have picked up on it from so far away. But then again, she herself had been able to telepathically contact Mengsk and Raynor when she was undergoing her transformation—touch their minds and cry out for aid. Aid which had not come in time, and for that, she was grateful, of course. But what was this, that sent ripples out as if from a stone tossed into a lake? It was fading now. It was definitely human. And yet there was something else to it, a sort of … flavor, for lack of a better word. Something … protoss about it. Kerrigan‟s mind was always on a thousand things at once. She could see through any zerg‟s eyes, dip into any zerg‟s mind as she chose. But now she pulled back from all the ceaseless streaming of information and focused her attention on this. Human … and protoss. Mentally working together. Kerrigan knew that Zeratul, the late unlamented Tassadar, and Raynor had shared thoughts. But they‟d created nothing like what she now sensed. Kerrigan hadn‟t even realized such a thing was possible. Human and protoss brains were so different. Even a psionic would have difficulty working with a protoss. Unless …

    A single glance fried that trooper’s mind, and
    she was already looking for a third as he swayed and
    fell, blood leaking from his eyes and ears.


    All right, Zeratul, you’ve got me. I made your Matriarch my slave long before I joined you on Shakuras. She made the mistake of underestimating my power just like everyone else did.”


    Still sticking with my previous stance. Unless she’s quick enough, Goku stomps hard. If feats do turn up of Goku resisting mental attacks he wins hands down.



    “Your brain will not explode no matter how much information you put into it. Neither will your computer.”


    First sentence^

  57. Ragnorke October 23, 2014 at 7:35 pm -      #57

    “Your brain will not explode no matter how much information you put into it. Neither will your computer.”

    Actually yes it would.
    The thing is… consciousness, thoughts, memories, information… it’s all physical neurons being fired in your brain.
    Your brain CAN technically explode. However, it would never quite make an explosion as large as the one we see in Starcraft. Infact it would barely be considered an explosion at all. But the concept still applies.
    Too many neurons being fired simultaneously = Instant brain failure/destruction.

    “Goku’s mind is capable of storing more information than ours because he sees things at higher speeds and reacts to them”

    No. That just means his neurons fire more quickly.
    Nothing more.

    ” and read Krillin’s mind; so it’s not as if he has no experience in the psychic field.”

    Goku’s a mind reader? seriously?

  58. TheSorrow October 24, 2014 at 12:59 am -      #58

    Damn, Jack got to that information comment before I could. Graham’s number was the first thing I thought of. A number so large that to try and store it all in our brain would cause it to collapse in on itself and create a black hole. Information is very much a physical thing.

  59. TheSorrow October 24, 2014 at 1:02 am -      #59

    Goku’s a mind reader? seriously?

    After getting to Planet Namek, Goku put his on his head to read Krillin’s thoughts, so he knew exactly what was happening. It’s never really explained, but I assume it has something to do with the manipulation of Ki.

  60. Soulerous October 24, 2014 at 2:03 am -      #60

    Did Babidi never try to control Goku as (s)he did Vegeta? I haven’t gotten to that part yet, as I’m waiting for DBZ Kai.

  61. Ninja Xtreme October 24, 2014 at 7:33 am -      #61

    Couldn’t Goku beat all the Zerg she summons with ki blasts? Also, since Goku is Psychic, couldn’t he resist the mindrape of Kerrigan?

  62. Kitten Lord October 24, 2014 at 7:36 am -      #62

    Being psychic is not the same as being resistant to psi power, and needless to say, him displaying a little telepathy is not equel to kerrigans mental output anyway, or that of your average basic protoss.

  63. MonkeyKingMahir October 24, 2014 at 7:45 am -      #63

    First of babidi doesn’t mind control he manipulates the darkness in peoples heart ergo why it didn’t work on goku and secondly if Kerri did have the swarm in this goku couldn’t just blast everything seeing as the swarm is 10billion large just on char but she doesn’t have the swarm in this

  64. MonkeyKingMahir October 24, 2014 at 8:42 am -      #64

    Plus sry for any misconceptions but this is supposed to be goku right out of the freeza saga I wasn’t as specific as I should’ve been

  65. Tarbel October 24, 2014 at 9:43 am -      #65

    ^
    So that means, I assume, a fully/healed Goku right after defeating Frieza for the first time.
    He wouldn’t be entirely in control of his SSJ form then, although he can transform to it if need be. I think he may be more inclined to use kaio-ken first. But this may not matter much.


    As of yet, I’ve seen no feats that suggest the Queen would be fighting more than an afterimage in most match outcomes.

    “Her mind, processing at light speed…”
    bit is definitely a metaphor of some sort or the like because processing power isn’t measured as a velocity.
    And for the excerpt, even if we considered the reactions of those troopers to be on par with someone like Raditz or saibamen, who are easily beyond bullet timing, Goku would still be capable of blitzing Kerrigan without a problem.



    Just to put some levels of speed into perspective:
    This is Raditz catching a bullet
    view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+14&page=13
    This is Burter, who is going faster than Vegeta can throw, who is many times faster than Raditz
    view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+23&page=117
    This is Goku, going faster than Burter can turn his head
    view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+24&page=70
    view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+24&page=71

  66. MonkeyKingMahir October 24, 2014 at 10:06 am -      #66

    You would also have yo take into consideration gokus personality of having somewhat of a fair fight and also the fact that goku might underestimate Kerrigan not knowing the full extent of her power depending on how the sensing of power work whether it is based off of ki because Kerri might not give much of a ki energy signature

  67. MonkeyKingMahir October 24, 2014 at 10:15 am -      #67

    Ki (気; pronounced “Kee”), also known as chi or simply energy (エネルギー, enerugī), is a force energy used by Dragon Ball characters

    Since this is the force energy dbz characters use and Kerri uses psionics I do not know if goku would sense her as being a threat

  68. Tarbel October 24, 2014 at 12:14 pm -      #68

    If Goku has the intent to kill Kerrigan (which BankGambling rules impose) and he sees her as weak, then I would not be surprised if he just finishes her off right away to move on to other things.

    Reference
    view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+24&page=52
    view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+24&page=53
    view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+24&page=54

  69. Tsubodai October 24, 2014 at 7:26 pm -      #69

    @Tarbel:

    In the time it took for (whoever, sorry, i’m no dbz fan) to give his ‘i’ll send you to hell’ speech, kerrigan could have mind-raped goku around twenty times over. When we say he would need to strike immediately, we mean IMMEDIATELY. No stopping to wonder what those bone wings are for, no pre-fight knuckle cracking, no charging up any kind of attack, no wondering how this insect thinks she’s going to win – just an instant physical speedblitz with zero hesitation.

    If there’s anything DBZ characters are known for, it’s taking a damn long time to actually start attacking – be it pre-fight exposition or charge up. Ergo, i think kerrigan has the edge.

  70. Warlock Lowk October 24, 2014 at 8:06 pm -      #70

    “If there’s anything DBZ characters are known for, it’s taking a damn long time to actually start attacking – be it pre-fight exposition or charge up.”

    Think thats mostly the large finishing attacks. And even then I think in most of those cases it only canon for the anime over the manga.

  71. Tyran October 24, 2014 at 10:40 pm -      #71

    Kerrigan almost was killed by Mengsk, and he even had time for his speech. I don’t see her winning against Goku.

  72. jackn8r October 24, 2014 at 10:40 pm -      #72

    “bit is definitely a metaphor of some sort or the like because processing power isn’t measured as a velocity.”

    You misread the quote. Her thoughts traveled the speed of light. Considering thoughts for humans typically travel at a few hundred mph, that’s incredibly impressive.

    “And for the excerpt, even if we considered the reactions of those troopers to be on par with someone like Raditz or saibamen, who are easily beyond bullet timing, Goku would still be capable of blitzing Kerrigan without a problem.”

    Her reaction was to hypersonic projectiles not too far away. FYI there was a calc done on Kerrigan raising her arm to deflect the bullets, and her arm moves up at escape velocity because of how quick the reaction is.

    “This is Goku, going faster than Burter can turn his head”

    They are firing in a corridor on the Amerigo.
    Assuming that Kerrigan is 50 meters away from the Marines, the round could cover that distance in .0008928 seconds.

  73. MonkeyKingMahir October 25, 2014 at 6:38 am -      #73

    The reason being she was almost kill by mengsk is because it was the last cinematic of the game obviously they aren’t going to make it Kerri comes in and kills him as easily as she could plus he was using a psi emitter the damages her psionically pretty sure goku can’t by time by doing that

  74. jackn8r October 25, 2014 at 11:59 am -      #74

    Personal revenge filled with repartee and enjoying every last second doesn’t include frying someone as soon as you see them.

  75. the watcher October 25, 2014 at 12:53 pm -      #75

    Revenge for what, exactly? It’s not like she remembered enough to know that Zeratul was the one who got her deinfested. And if he hadn’t been trying to talk with her, he would have literally punched her head from her shoulders. I highly doubt she could have killed him in her current state had they both been all out.

  76. MonkeyKingMahir October 25, 2014 at 4:04 pm -      #76

    We are talking about hoe mengsk almost killed her and at the time she wasn’t primal Kerri and also zeratul has been around for either almost or over a millennium honing his skills so obviously he is stronger them her

  77. Tyran October 25, 2014 at 4:29 pm -      #77

    We are talking about hoe mengsk almost killed her and at the time she wasn’t primal Kerri …


    Wait what? did you at least played HotS?
    Because she was Primal Kerrigan when Mengsk almost killed her with his artifact. She didn’t reacted fast enough to kill Mengsk in the few seconds it took for the Artifact to activate.

  78. MonkeyKingMahir October 25, 2014 at 4:44 pm -      #78

    I meant the part with zeratul also she couldn’t react he put a cigar in his mouth while she was giving her revenge speech and he pressed a button on the lighter in which it instantly activated

  79. Aelfinn October 25, 2014 at 5:53 pm -      #79

    “First sentence^”

    He was simply trying to say that the information required for Graham’s number, if put into a volume equal to a brain, would collapse into a black hole. I suppose if, somehow, you could FORCE that much information into a brain, it would collapse into a black hole, but in all reality the brain just wouldn’t be capable of making the connections necessary to contain it. It would fail LONG before anything made it literally collapse into a black hole.

    On a similar note, there’s no amount of information that should make a brain literally explode. I could come up with a hypothetical on how this happens:
    The rearrangement of neurons creates so much heat that eventually the brain literally boils, expands into a gas, and forces the skull apart. However, that’s just moving neurons around, not changing the information contained by them. The neurons wouldn’t be able to move themselves around fast enough to generate that much heat.

    It’s pretty much telekinesis vs. telepathy (unless the fiction specifies otherwise). Telekinesis would destroy the brain itself, while telepathy would destroy the mind. One, Goku could be argued to survive, as he’s very durable. Telepathy, however, has not been resisted by Goku I believe.
    =
    Side note: don’t psychic powers ignore durability in the Starcraft universe?
    =
    On the matter of speed: I believe Goku flew over Snake Way somewhere between Mach 9 and Mach 29. Quick question: how long did it take him to fly over Snake Way? That calc is based on “28 hours”.

  80. Friendlysociopath October 25, 2014 at 6:12 pm -      #80

    “On the matter of speed: I believe Goku flew over Snake Way somewhere between Mach 9 and Mach 29. Quick question: how long did it take him to fly over Snake Way? That calc is based on “28 hours”.”

    Hard to say, it appears every different version of DBZ (anime dub, anime sub, manga, original vs remake) changes the length of Snake Way and the time Goku spent on it.

    dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Snake_Way
    Head for the trivia section.
    Of interesting note is everyone who shows up keeps showing up faster as they get stronger, Goku at the end of the Freeza arc would be significantly faster than whatever his initial Snake Way speed is.

  81. Aelfinn October 25, 2014 at 7:06 pm -      #81

    “Goku at the end of the Freeza arc would be significantly faster than whatever his initial Snake Way speed is.”

    Right, but unless another calc is given, we don’t know how much faster Goku got during that timeframe. Super Saiyan Gotenks was 1/5 the speed of light, but that’s the fastest confirmed speed for anyone in all of DBZ.

  82. Friendlysociopath October 25, 2014 at 7:25 pm -      #82

    “Right, but unless another calc is given, we don’t know how much faster Goku got during that timeframe. Super Saiyan Gotenks was 1/5 the speed of light, but that’s the fastest confirmed speed for anyone in all of DBZ.”

    Well, just going off of my head and some Hi-C water-drink; Freeza’s henchmen (the flamboyant ones) travel it within a day and Goku is at least equal to their level in power. So 28 hours wouldn’t be unreasonable, although the actual time would be less since he’s stronger.

  83. Tarbel October 25, 2014 at 8:50 pm -      #83

    @Tsubodai
    A lot of pre-combat speech in DBZ can very easily be counted as PIS as usually any dialogue is usually relevant to conveying events or expanding the plot.
    And I believe this rule should apply:
    “6. Prep and Knowledge
    All parties involved in a battle are made aware of the opposition and a general idea of their capabilities. This means that no combatant is assumed to be at a passive demeanor past the merging point. That does not mean, however, that combatants are made aware of the opposition’s strengths, weaknesses, or past history.

    Further, no character is placed in the arena at a disadvantage inherent to their character depending on the used incarnation. For example, a battle that involves the incredible Hulk will never start with Bruce Banner unless the incarnation used cannot transform into the Hulk and vice-versa.”

    Meaning Goku would not stand there wondering what he’s fighting, just as the Queen of Blades wouldn’t really stand there wondering what she is fighting.

    Finally, long charging times or speeches are usually more present in the anime for filler and dramatic effect. The manga doesn’t spend nearly as much time with this and is more representative of DBZ character’s abilities as the higher canon.



    @jackn8er
    “You misread the quote. Her thoughts traveled the speed of light. Considering thoughts for humans typically travel at a few hundred mph, that’s incredibly impressive.”

    Quote:
    “Kerrigan blinked. Her mind, processing at light speed, sensed something and latched onto it. ”

    It literally says processing. It doesn’t say thoughts or nerves or neurons firing at light speed or the speed of light. It says processing. This does not logically make sense, which is part of the reason why I assume it’s metaphorical.
    Second, it says processing at “light speed”, rather than processing at the speed of light. Light speed suggests the comment as more of a descriptive element rather than a quantifying element, which the speed of light would better present.

    For the Kerrigan speed feats, if you could provide an actual source and stuff for it that would be helpful.




    Goku travel speed (Snakeway which is before he got a massive boost in power from 100X G training):
    view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+14&page=160
    1 million kilometers is the correct distance.


    Goku starts traveling the day before at some unknown time:
    view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+15&page=43
    This happens just a little bit before Goku leaves:
    view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+15&page=49
    The saiyans fight with earth fighters at 12:20 pm:
    view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+15&page=61
    After a skirmish between them, the saiyans decide to wait 3 more hours for Goku to arrive:
    view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+15&page=145
    Goku arrives just a little after the 3 hours are up:
    view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+15&page=148
    view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+15&page=152



    So overall, the time Goku took to travel depends on what time during the day he started travelling and how long the battle between the saiyans and the DBZ fighters took.
    Getting the lowest estimate possible by getting the longest time possible, since it was still day time for both Goku’s start and arrival:
    We can safely assume that the earliest time Goku could have started is around 7:00 am once the sun has risen. We can also safely assume that the latest time Goku could have arrived would be about 5:00 pm before the sun sets.
    This is 34 hours.
    Goku flies through winding sections of Snakeway, so he doesn’t actually go through 1 million kilometers. For ease, I’ll just say that he bypasses about a third of the distance so he travels only 666,667 kilometers.
    In m/s:
    666666666.666 meters divided by (34*3600) seconds
    Low estimate = 5,446.623 m/s = Mach 16.01

    Medium estimate:
    If Goku starts flying at around noon, and the battle between the saiyans and the earthlings takes about forty minutes:
    12:00pm the day before to 4:00 pm the day of arrival.
    28 hours
    Medium estimate = 6,613.757 = Mach 19.44

  84. jackn8r October 26, 2014 at 11:07 am -      #84

    “Revenge for what, exactly? It’s not like she remembered enough to know that Zeratul was the one who got her deinfested. And if he hadn’t been trying to talk with her, he would have literally punched her head from her shoulders. I highly doubt she could have killed him in her current state had they both been all out.”

    Tell me then why she opted for fists over that purple beam-o-death she used against Narud?
    Secondly, if her amnesia claim is to be taken with 100% certainty she wouldn’t have even remembered Zeratul’s name. She most likely remembered a good bit from WoL events and still considered him an enemy for everything concerning Protoss vs Zerg in the past.

    “It literally says processing. It doesn’t say thoughts or nerves or neurons firing at light speed or the speed of light. It says processing. This does not logically make sense, which is part of the reason why I assume it’s metaphorical.”

    What? The act of neurons firing off and making connections is the verb processing. There is no mention of “processing power” or anything like that. Brain processing literally means just that–the firing of neurons etc. I don’t see the confusion.
    This would be a quote concerning processing power and multitasking:
    Kerrigan‟s mind was always on a thousand things at once. She could see through any zerg‟s eyes, dip into any zerg‟s mind as she chose. But now she pulled back from all the ceaseless streaming of information and focused her attention on this.

    “Second, it says processing at “light speed”, rather than processing at the speed of light. Light speed suggests the comment as more of a descriptive element rather than a quantifying element, which the speed of light would better present.”

    I disagree. We say “lightyears” not “the number of years it takes light to travel” and they mean the same exact thing. Also, the same author uses the phrase “the speed of thought” when describing how fast conventional processing is.

    “For the Kerrigan speed feats, if you could provide an actual source and stuff for it that would be helpful.”

    “You’ll never make it out of here alive, bitch!” one
    of the troopers shouted, firing his gauss rifle on full
    auto into the approaching brood. Several zerg were 96 AARON ROSENBERG
    hit, and two fell with steel spikes through their throat
    and eyes.
    “See?” another trooper bellowed, laughing as he
    swung his weapon around to fire upon them. “They
    ain’t so tough!” He let loose a barrage and more zerg
    died. “These critters bleed just like anybody else!” he
    shouted, and several of his comrades cheered.
    Kerrigan had not been hit, however. A chill raced
    up his spine as he saw why. One of the troopers aimed
    at her and fired, a cluster of iron spikes racing toward
    her. She raised one hand and the spikes simply
    stopped in midair, slamming to a quivering halt as if
    they’d run into a wall. A second gesture and the
    spikes spun about and leaped toward the trooper,
    punching him into a wall from the impact. The spikes
    pierced not only the man but the wall behind him,
    and his body was left hanging there as the rifle slipped
    from his dead hands.
    Marines are armed with C-14 Impaler Gauss Rifles that fire 8mm metal spikes at hypersonic speeds.
    Fighting (sorry long quote:)
    Raynor wasn’t sure what happened next. He saw
    Kerrigan leap forward, wings outstretched, claws extended,
    to swipe at Tassadar. But the Executor shifted to
    one side, sidestepping her attack. At the same time his
    forearms, now encased in a soft blue glow, rose and
    knocked her wings aside so that she slid past him without
    even grazing him.

    That was what Raynor saw. Or thought he saw.
    Because both Templar and zerg were fuzzy around the
    edges, as if viewed through thick glass. Their bodies
    glowed faintly, his blue and hers a yellowish green,
    and they left strange afterimages as they moved.

    Raynor blinked and looked again. Tassadar and Kerrigan
    were still standing as before, and a part of him
    knew they had not moved at all. But he was sure the
    attack he’d witnessed had just happened.

    Now the Executor nodded slightly, as if acknowledging
    Kerrigan’s statement. Or perhaps this was its
    response to her attack. “Mayhap, o Queen,” he
    intoned. There was a trace of something in his voice,
    something that sounded suspiciously like humor. “Or,”
    he continued, “is it only that I need not flaunt my
    power in such an infantile test of will?”

    Once again Raynor saw a strange layered image. He
    saw Kerrigan leap toward Tassadar, her wings lashing
    out at him, and saw the Executor dodge the blow. The
    protoss leader had no weapons and made no counterattack
    but Kerrigan pivoted away as if he had.

    She spun again, the tip of one wing scraping across
    the Executor’s chest and causing him to stumble. He
    allowed himself to fall, catching himself with one
    hand, and then kicked off the ground, pivoting up
    until he was upside down and supported on that hand
    before flipping back over and landing on his feet again.

    Tassadar stepped forward, or tried to—suddenly he
    was hurled back into his warriors, who staggered but
    caught him and themselves before they fell off the
    plateau. This time Raynor thought he saw the Executor’s
    eyes widen in surprise or perhaps pain. Or both.

    Tassadar was suddenly tugged forward again, limbs
    flailing against air, until his face was inches from Kerrigan’s.
    He swept his arms around, fists aimed for her
    head, but her wings blocked the blow and pinned him in
    midair like an enormous bug trapped in a spider’s web.

    That was what Raynor saw. But not all he saw.
    Because superimposed on that was another sequence
    of events, similar but grander, more electrifying, and
    more unnerving.

    Kerrigan leaped toward Tassadar, her wings out,
    that rainbow sheen between them. Tassadar’s body
    was suddenly enveloped by a blue glow similar to the
    one Raynor had seen around the protoss ship.

    The Executor spun, raising one arm to block, and
    sparks flew as iridescence and blue lightning collided.
    His other arm lashed out and across in a solid backhand,
    blue flickers arcing behind it, and Kerrigan
    stepped back, her wings floating up to avoid that glow.

    She moved in again, pivoting so one wing raked
    across him, and though he threw up both arms to
    block the blow the impact still hurled him backward,
    his glow dimming slightly.

    Tassadar fell and flipped over, using Kerrigan’s blow
    as momentum and one hand for support. As he
    moved, his right foot lashed out toward her head, the
    glow around that limb intensifying and extending outward
    like a blade. She jerked to one side, however, and
    the blow missed her.

    Then her wings flexed and snapped forward, as if
    tossing something, and the iridescence shot forward
    like strands of a web, catching the Executor in the chest.
    Kerrigan leaned back, her wings sweeping behind
    her, and the strands remained, yanking Tassadar forward.

    His glow grew weaker, particularly at the point
    of contact. He tried to lash out with both hands, focusing
    the glow there until his fists shone like twin beacons,
    but Kerrigan’s wings blocked the attack. More
    sparks flew, and iridescence from the wings wrapped
    around the Executor’s wrists, binding him tightly.

    Then Kerrigan raised her wings and Tassadar rose
    with them like a puppet on taut strings. His glow had
    faded further and was almost gone except for a faint
    halo around the head.

    “Now I have you, little Templar,” Kerrigan purred,
    gazing up at her captive. “What shall I do with you?”
    she pondered theatrically, one finger resting on her
    chin, her other hand on her hip. After a moment she
    nodded.

    “Death, I think, but not too quickly.” Then, as
    if for the first time, Kerrigan noticed the other protoss,
    who were still standing motionless around the
    plateau’s edge. “Oh yes, I’d forgotten them,” she commented.
    She glanced over her shoulder to her brood.
    “Kill them,” she commanded. “Kill them all.”

    Raynor saw nothing, but after a moment Kerrigan
    nodded. “Do not bother to cloak yourself, little protoss,”
    she warned the empty air. “For I can sense you
    though I cannot see you. Show yourself to me.”

    Zeratul appeared before her, not forty paces away,
    his Dark Templar behind him. They must have used
    the same trick Raynor had seen them do before, when
    they went after Zasz, blending into their surroundings.
    It hadn’t fooled Kerrigan, but the Dark Templar
    didn’t look too concerned. In fact, Zeratul nodded at
    her as he stepped forward, a gesture that spoke of
    respect for an equal.

    “Greetings, o Queen of the Zerg,” the protoss
    intoned, his words echoing in Raynor’s head. Just as
    before there was something dry and brittle about
    them, but at the same time they hummed with
    restrained power. “I am Zeratul, Praetor of the Dark
    Templar.” He actually bowed to her, a deep, graceful
    bow from the waist, which seemed to amuse Kerrigan.

    “Your coming has been foretold.”

    “Has it?” she asked, and even from here Raynor
    could see the smile on her lips just as easily as he heard
    it in her voice. “And what do they say of me, Praetor?”

    “You are a part of the culmination,” the protoss
    replied. “But not the end of it.” His eyes glowed
    brightly, and Kerrigan seemed almost transfixed by
    them. Her entire brood was motionless, held in thrall
    by the Praetor’s gaze and words. “You shall show the
    way, the path that must be taken, the realigning of old
    truths no longer valid,” he intoned, and to Raynor it
    sounded as if the protoss was reading from a text
    somewhere, or reciting holy scripture. “Yours is not
    the hand, but your very existence provides necessary
    instruction.”

    “The culmination,” Kerrigan repeated. She raised
    her hands and stared at them, fingers fully extended,
    claws glistening in the fading sunset light. “And these
    are not the hands.” Then she glanced up at Zeratul and
    her smile returned, widening into a predatory grin.

    “But even if these are not the hands, Praetor, at least
    they will be the culmination of your life.” Then she
    was moving, bounding forward and swiping outward
    with both hands as if tearing apart a curtain—or a
    body.

    Any human would have been ripped to shreds by
    the oncoming attack, Raynor knew, and he shuddered.
    For that matter, he suspected most protoss would have
    been carved open just as easily, Kerrigan’s claws piercing
    their thick hide and glittering armor like tissue
    paper. Zeratul’s flesh seemed no different, and no
    more protected.

    But he was not there when her blows arrived.
    Instead he had twisted away, dancing back in a
    strange shadowy blur, and from his wrists projected
    those glittering green blades he had used to end Zasz.

    “So be it,” he announced, his words ringing across
    the rocks and making several zerg crumple to the
    ground, writhing. “We shall battle.”

    And then the battle began.

    As with Kerrigan and Tassadar, Raynor saw two separate
    fights overlaid, the combatants matched in location
    and position but not in their actions. He was dimly
    aware that the zerg had been freed from their paralysis
    when Kerrigan attacked and that they were battling
    the other Dark Templar, but his eyes stayed locked on
    the two leaders and their private duel. Even the other
    zerg stayed clear of that conflict, respecting their mistress’s
    wish for an undisturbed fight.

    Zeratul sprang toward her, flipping over her as he
    approached, his blades stabbing downward. Her wings
    blocked the strike, however, fanning over her head so
    their spikes caught his blades and shoved them away.
    Then her wings snapped up, the tips poised to pierce
    him on both sides. But Zeratul twisted, and they could
    not find purchase as he sailed past. He landed behind
    her, pivoting to face her, arms raised and ready.

    The sun slipped just below the horizon now, and the
    shadows lengthened, one of them enveloping the
    Praetor. The darkness thickened around him, wrapping
    over him protectively until only his glowing eyes
    could be seen clearly. Raynor strained to pierce that
    shroud and could just make out the Praetor’s blades as
    patches of dim light, a marginally weaker shadow
    against the whole.

    If the shadows bothered Kerrigan, she gave no sign
    of it. Instead she spun toward her foe, her wings lash
    ing out again, carving open the darkness as they
    struck. An unwholesome yellowish glow had sprung
    up around her, enveloping every spur and spike and
    talon, and that glow chased away the darkness, leaving
    streaks of normal twilight amid the shadow.

    Zeratul was not idle, however. He skirted his opponent,
    edging through the darkness, but the shadows
    did seem to confuse Kerrigan, who did not react to his
    changed position. When he was parallel to her he
    struck again, one arm sweeping down and the other
    up to trap her uppermost wing-blade between them.
    Kerrigan screamed with rage and pain as the blow
    connected. Her wings reacted of their own accord,
    flexing, and Zeratul was knocked aside.

    He stumbled back, almost losing his footing, but recovered. The
    wings stabbed toward him, their tips aiming for his
    glowing eyes, and he barely blocked them, both blades
    rising and crossing each other. He caught the lowest
    wing-blade in that intersection and forced it up,
    sweeping the others along with it. Then, when his
    arms were fully extended and the wing high above his
    head, Zeratul whipped both arms up and around, driving
    his blades toward Kerrigan’s unprotected torso.

    He had not reckoned with her other wing, however.
    Kerrigan turned to face him, her second wing curling
    protectively around her, and Zeratul’s blades glanced
    harmlessly off them. Then they flared outward, the
    tips angling down to pierce his extended arms. Raynor
    felt the Praetor shudder with pain and knew the protoss
    had bitten back a telepathic scream.

    Now Kerrigan’s other wing descended as well,
    piercing the Praetor’s shoulder, and he was pinned
    between her wings, unable to free his arms enough to
    raise his blades. Blood dripped from the puncture
    points as Kerrigan lifted him up, held securely
    between her wings and stretched sideways before her.

    “You fight well, little protoss,” she admitted, idly
    running one finger along the wing he had struck
    before and licking off the blood or ichor that coated it.
    “Better than your Executor counterpart. But I am the
    Queen of Blades!” She leaned in so their faces were
    inches apart. “You cannot best me!”

    “Battles are not fought by strength alone,” the protoss
    told her, no longer struggling against her wings.
    “You are powerful, yes, but not invincible.”

    “I have beaten you,” she pointed out, and Zeratul
    chuckled in reply, his body shaking slightly from the
    laughter. If moving like that with her wing-tips embedded
    in his flesh hurt, the Praetor gave no indication.

    “You have won this battle, yes,” he agreed. “But this
    was merely our first encounter. The next may go differently.”

    “Next?” Kerrigan regarded him curiously, and
    Raynor could read her puzzlement. She had the protoss
    pinned and helpless, primed for the kill. “What ‘next’?
    Your life is over, little protoss,” she said, dragging one
    claw across his cheek and carving a thin furrow in the
    thick skin there. “I have but to move and you will be no
    more.” She glanced behind her, and Raynor looked
    around as well, seeing the rest of the valley for the first
    time since the battle had started.

    The floor was littered with zerg bodies, but here and there a protoss lay
    among them as well. Zeratul had started with perhaps a
    hundred Dark Templar. Now he had maybe half that
    number, and they were badly outnumbered.

    “Your forces are overmatched,” Kerrigan pointed
    out, turning to glance at Zeratul again. “My brood will
    destroy the last of them, just as I will slay you. Char
    will be rid of your Dark Templar, and you with them.
    Tell me, then, where and how will this next encounter
    take place? The protoss equivalent of Heaven?”

    Zeratul seemed unfazed by his situation, or that of
    his troops. “You are overconfident,” he warned his
    captor. “Such a fault is common in the young and
    powerful. It leads to dangerous assumptions, however,
    and in those assumptions you expose yourself.”

    Now Kerrigan’s smile turned to a frown, and she
    bared her teeth. “Do not lecture me!” she shouted,
    spittle flying from her mouth—Raynor noticed that
    several drops struck her protoss captive and burned
    into his skin. “I am no weakling, no youth untrained in
    the arts of war! I am the Queen of Blades! And I am
    your death!”

    Her wings plunged toward one another, intent
    upon skewering Zeratul between them.

    But just as she moved, the darkness, held at bay by
    her glow and by the last glimmer of the setting sun,
    descended upon them like a heavy blanket. Zeratul vanished
    within its embrace, utterly consumed by the night.
    (There’s another quote of Zeratul fighting Tassadar where they’re both just a constant blur of teleportation and supersonic punches etc.)

    She also has a TK shield.

    I’m not arguing that Goku would smash her in a fight though, I’m just wondering if she has the potential to fry his mind before any of that.

  85. Ragnorke October 26, 2014 at 11:52 am -      #85

    ““It literally says processing. It doesn’t say thoughts or nerves or neurons firing at light speed or the speed of light. It says processing. This does not logically make sense, which is part of the reason why I assume it’s metaphorical.”

    1. The only real functionality your brain has is by firing neurons.
    2. Processing something is literally firing neurons and nothing else.
    3. It makes perfect logical sense.
    4. How is it metaphorical?

    “it says processing at “light speed”, rather than processing at the speed of light. Light speed suggests the comment as more of a descriptive element rather than a quantifying element, which the speed of light would better present.”

    It’s just a matter of the authors preference. As far as the English language is concerned, both mean the exact same thing.
    Whether it’s descriptive or not makes no difference, because it’s still being described as being fast as light.
    You’re trying to claim it’s Hyper-Bole, which doesn’t seem very likely by the way it’s written.

  86. the watcher October 26, 2014 at 11:53 am -      #86

    Tell me then why she opted for fists over that purple beam-o-death she used against Narud?

    Because either A), the beam-o-death was only obtained after her trip to Zerus, B), it was only useful for repelling the null zone that Narud had, which seems likely because Narud didn’t die when it hit him, but rather after she stabbed him, or C), both.

    Even if she remembered WoL and such, Zeratul didn’t have much interaction with her beyond slashing her wing and several of her/overmind’s hydralisks. The custscene looks like he got a broken arm from that fight, so it would be even.

  87. Ragnorke October 26, 2014 at 12:29 pm -      #87

    “Whether it’s descriptive or not makes no difference, because it’s still being described as being fast as light.”

    I didn’t word this very well.
    *Whether the author intended it to be quantifiable or descriptive makes no difference, since it’s still claimed to be fast as light.

  88. Aelfinn October 26, 2014 at 1:36 pm -      #88

    I must admit I feel a little unwary for using “processing at light speed” to indicate light-speed reactions. Firstly, because of the hyperbole it could have been, and secondly, because “processing” doesn’t necessarily mean “reacting”. It’s great if Kerrigan can think really quickly, but perhaps psychic attacks take more time.

  89. Ragnorke October 26, 2014 at 3:29 pm -      #89

    “and secondly, because “processing” doesn’t necessarily mean “reacting”.”

    This is actually a great point.
    Reacting to something actually takes multiple processes in your brain.
    Kerrigans brain may function at light speed, but that doesn’t allow her to react to anything at the same speed.
    Forexample, the human brain can process things incredibly fast, yet actively reacting to the situation adds a few seconds (or microseconds at the very least)

    Should we scale Kerrigan using an Average human brain?
    Calculating the difference between neutron movement speed and reaction speed, And then applying the same factor to her brain?

  90. MonkeyKingMahir October 26, 2014 at 5:34 pm -      #90

    Psionic attack act based upon thought so if her thought take form at the speed of light then she can also use psionics at the speed of light and if you would like to ask for specifics look at the queen of blades vs starkiller they debated this already

  91. Warlock Lowk October 26, 2014 at 7:19 pm -      #91

    @MonkeyKing
    I belive they’re discussing whether or not she can react at those speed. That while the mental attack would be the speed of light her ability to act and use that power would take more time.

  92. Tarbel October 26, 2014 at 8:33 pm -      #92

    For now I just wanna say:
    processing is to “perform a series of mechanical or chemical operations on (something) in order to change or preserve it.”
    It does not make sense to say a computer processes at lightspeed or at the speed of light. Computers process things in operations per second, not distances per second. This is why lightspeed would be taken as a description rather than a number.
    Yes, for a brain to process, neurons fire in the brain. But when talking of processing, it is talking about the series of neurons firing, not just neurons firing. So does it make sense then to say the series of firing neurons performs at the speed of light? No because they perform at operations per second.
    Because it doesn’t make sense, this quote should is a descriptive element, which, as Aelfinn has noted, should be taken as a form of hyperbole.
    And, neurons firing at the speed of light make very little difference in processing speed because it depends on the cool down time before another neuron fires, not as much as on how fast it fires.
    An analogy to reiterate: what is described in the quote is how many stops a train makes in an hour as 100 mph.

    The thinking about thousands of things at once is hard to give a figure too because at once is a variable time frame. For example, if we were to say at once meant 1 second, then Kerrigan would be thinking about 1200 times faster than an average human, based on the estimate that an average person has about 70,000 thoughts per day. If at once meant a millisecond, that would be 1.2 million times faster. This is overly simplifying things though (like the idea of what is a thought), so I wouldn’t take this preliminary estimate with too high of a regard.

  93. MonkeyKingMahir October 29, 2014 at 7:52 am -      #93

    This is a link to a video that show Kerri coming out of smoke under fire from quite a few marine and Viking unscathed and the Marines gauss rifle fire at hyper sonic 8mm spike rounds and hyper aonics is between mach5-10 and considering the fire rate of the rifle and how many Marines u could qtleast see in the beginning she’s dodging hundreds of these thing without so much as a scratch
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=kScAk4L7Y3Q

  94. Tyran October 29, 2014 at 10:08 am -      #94

    We don’t see her dodging, we see the Marines and the Viking firing at the smoke. For all we know Kerrigan could simple be tanking all of this. Specially since when she is in the air she isn’t dodging.

  95. MonkeyKingMahir October 29, 2014 at 10:34 am -      #95

    Even if she is tanking the just means she tanks maybe hundreds of round (I don’t remember the ke from each shot but its all over Shepard vs Marine) which I don’t think goku in ssj1 can dish out in punches or kicks so he would have to rely on his ki blasts which can be devastating but don’t move at nearly the speed of Marine gauss rifle fire so she might be able to dodge and that would also give her time to melt his head from the inside as she casually gazes at him

  96. Tyran October 29, 2014 at 10:51 am -      #96

    Goku has enough power to literally blast apart the planet, he doesn’t really needs to aim to vaporize Kerrigan.

  97. MonkeyKingMahir October 29, 2014 at 10:56 am -      #97

    Considering he can’t survive in the void of space I can see that being problematic for goku also I’m not completely sure but I think Kerri can survive in space 🚀 but I would have to look that up to be completely sure

  98. Envoy October 29, 2014 at 11:08 am -      #98

    “Considering he can’t survive in the void of space I can see that being problematic for goku also I’m not completely sure but I think Kerri can survive in space…”
    +
    It doesn’t matter, a planet exploding in her face would kill her and not Goku. The only thing Saiyans can’t do in space is breathe, they can go there just fine, its staying thats the problem.

  99. MonkeyKingMahir October 29, 2014 at 11:47 am -      #99

    Meaning he would die in the void of space ergo what I was saying

  100. MonkeyKingMahir October 29, 2014 at 11:48 am -      #100

    Also name the feat in which he survived a.planets exploding I. His face at ssj1 during or before the freeza saga

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