Alucard Vs Kain

Alucard Vs Kain

Brought to you by Cole

Here we have one of the most popular characters on BankGambling in the form of Alucard (Hellsing) facing down Kain (Legacy of Kain) in a duel.

Location: South Park

Winner by death.

Round 1: pre-schrödinger Alucard.

Round 2: post-schrödinger Alucard.

Bonus Round:
Who ever kills Kenny first wins.
Kenny knows he is being hunted.
No collateral damage or killing of civilians.
Alucard is in his pre-cat boy form.

Who wins?

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41 Comments on "Alucard Vs Kain"

  1. Rookie October 12, 2014 at 6:12 am -      #1

    If Alucard takes this seriously he stomps. If not he may find a way to lose.

    “Round 2: post-schrödinger Alucard.”

    Ha!

  2. Cole October 12, 2014 at 6:34 am -      #2

    Probably should mention that in both Round 1 and 2 both Kain and Alucard are permitted to kill people and drink their blood and souls if need be, it’s only in the bonus round that they are not allowed innocent civilians

  3. Ragnorke October 12, 2014 at 7:02 am -      #3

    Gotta say i like your matches Cole, keep em up.

    “Round 2: post-schrödinger Alucard.”

    Unless Kain has some serious Mind Fuckery, he isn’t going to win here.
    I don’t think soul fuckery is going to cut it, since i doubt Alucard even has one. (although i could be totally wrong)

  4. Cole October 12, 2014 at 7:36 am -      #4

    @Ragnorke Thank you. I will say I do have two more fights (that I can remember suggesting) coming any day now: one of which involves the two most powerful sorcerers (feel free to take a guess) I can think of, and another involving The Endless (DC Comics).

    On to the fight, I shamefully admitted I’ve never played a LoK game, but from what I’ve read about him on this site he’s one tough S.O.B. and on top of that he’s supposed to be some kind of immortal (either True Immortal or Semi-Perfect immortal) and his sword is supposed to be some kind of soul devourer or something, and on top of that he has a whole lot of crazy powers too, so I would assume that he can at least give Al a fight.

  5. Ragnorke October 12, 2014 at 7:45 am -      #5

    “and another involving The Endless (DC Comics)”

    Huh, that should be interesting.
    I don’t know too much about them, since i don’t think they even exist in the new52… but this would be a nice time to finally read The Sandman.

  6. Rookie October 12, 2014 at 7:52 am -      #6

    @Cole

    ” the two most powerful sorcerers (feel free to take a guess) ”

    Doom and Dr. Strange?

    “and another involving The Endless (DC Comics)”

    Just checked them, they sounds cool.

  7. Cole October 12, 2014 at 7:57 am -      #7

    @Rookie close (Strange yes, Doom no). I’ll give you a hint, Stranger’s opponent is a little heavy metal.

  8. Rookie October 12, 2014 at 7:59 am -      #8

    @Cole

    ” I’ll give you a hint, Stranger’s opponent is a little heavy metal.”

    I think I know who it is. Should be good.

  9. Cole October 12, 2014 at 8:04 am -      #9

    @Ragnorke Death and Dream are the coolest brothe/sister duo since Jago and Orchid (Killer Instinct) in my opinion. And yes the Endless are ridiculously over powered so it was hard finding a group powerful enough to take then but I think I found suitable foes.
    Also, I think I read somewhere that there are only one Endless in the entire DC multi-verse (don’t quote me on this though)

  10. Cole October 12, 2014 at 8:17 am -      #10

    @Rookie Trust me when I say that both wizards are so powerful that they make Rand al’Thor look as weak and feeble as Mr.Burns.

    If they both let loose, then much of the universe is going to be destroyed.

  11. Ragnorke October 12, 2014 at 8:23 am -      #11

    “Also, I think I read somewhere that there are only one Endless in the entire DC multi-verse (don’t quote me on this though)”

    On the contrary, i recall one saying that they would only last as long as their respective universe lasts.
    They’re basically Marvels Infinity/Eternity/Oblivion/Death of DC, but have much cooler personalities.

  12. Cole October 12, 2014 at 8:36 am -      #12

    “On the contrary, i recall one saying that they would only last as long as their respective universe lasts.
    They’re basically Marvels Infinity/Eternity/Oblivion/Death of DC, but have much cooler personalities.”

    @Ragnorke I’ll take your word for it about the universe thing since I haven’t read Sandman since the 90, also yes they do have cooler personalities than their Marvel counter parts, speaking of which, I’m surprised no one has done Dream vs. Nightmare (Marvel) on this site yet.

  13. Commander Cross October 12, 2014 at 8:49 am -      #13

    Is one of them Dark Schneider from Bastard, dare I ask?

    Aww you could have also added Tenchi Masaki or Z from the TM Multi-verse’s Original Timeline and it would have been even more fun, really.

    Also, is Kenny anywhere near as powerful as anything from Silent Hill?

  14. Cole October 12, 2014 at 9:08 am -      #14

    @Commander Cross
    1. Yup, Strange is fighting Darsh.

    2. Sorry friend, but I’m not familiar with the Tenchi Muyo series.

    3. If Kenny has the right gear and weapons, than I would imagine him holding his own quite well against most of the creatures there, and if he dies, he’ll just end up in the safety of his own bed. Also I think he’s stable minded enough for the town to not completely fuck with his head.

  15. Mea quidem sententia October 12, 2014 at 10:34 am -      #15

    Well, Kitten Lord and I came to the conclusion that Kain’s hardness is on par with diamond. And with hardness comes brittleness. Just look at glass. On Mohs scale of hardness, it’s 5.5, whereas steel is 4 – 4.5, which means glass is harder than steel, but will shatter, whereas steel will deform. So it is with diamond.

  16. Malenfant October 12, 2014 at 10:58 am -      #16

    Post-Schrodiner is quasi-omnipresent, and immortal in the truest sense IIRC.

  17. wingedlion October 12, 2014 at 11:31 am -      #17

    “I don’t think soul fuckery is going to cut it, since i doubt Alucard even has one. (although i could be totally wrong)”

    it’s actually the exact opposite. post schrondiner alucard has one soul, which is exactly why soul rape should work, since he no longer has millions of souls to use as a replacement.

  18. Jake_Uzumaki October 12, 2014 at 12:46 pm -      #18

    round 1 Alucard has to take time to do things.

    round 2 Alucard is everywhere and nowhere at the same time.

    from what I know of both Alucard should be more than capable of pumping Kain full of lead before Kain can try anything.

  19. Kitten Lord October 12, 2014 at 12:52 pm -      #19

    From what I know of Alucard round 1 should be easy for Kain, Round 2, I dont know if either can win, what can Alucard do with this power? If I recall, the being Alucard gained this from died didnt it? Or was defeated somehow?

    Kain should be more or less invincible to Alucards physical attacks and has resistance to spiritual and magical ones. Hence why the first round should be easy for him since he would just have to hit Alucard with his sword, even with Alucards speed advantage, Kain has time fvuckery so who cares?

    How has Alucard faced teleporters before?

    This is like the squishiest of vampires (but has great regen) vs the hardest (also has decent regen, but not “as” good).

  20. wingedlion October 12, 2014 at 12:57 pm -      #20

    “since he would just have to hit Alucard with his sword,”

    can the soul reaver suck multiple souls from an enemy?

  21. Kitten Lord October 12, 2014 at 1:03 pm -      #21

    Raziel can devour as many souls as he likes at a time, his soul suck is a vaccume that devours all souls in an area. The soul reaver channels this through a blade, so I would say yeh, it would devour all the souls in a target.

    Course, multi-soul entities dont really exist in LoK, soul devouring entities do not generally “gain” said souls as part of themselves, merely gain the power of them iirc.

  22. Ragnorke October 12, 2014 at 1:54 pm -      #22

    The being that had the power, let himself be killed, and let Alucard absorb his blood, to let Alucard get the power.
    The idea was that Alucard wouldn’t be experienced enough to use the power. And since he had so many souls, it would be impossible for him to recognise himself… Meaning he would cease to exist. Since the power revolves around: You exist as long as you believe you exist.

  23. Kitten Lord October 12, 2014 at 2:20 pm -      #23

    I see, so if Kain mind controls him, essentially removing his excistence on a mental level he would cease to exist, also if hes only got one soul remaining (Schrodinger or Alucard? who is alive?) then removing it with a soul death would also kill him?

    Essentially though this only helps him survive, not attack Kain, I thought a lot of Alucards powers came from a vast sum of souls, and some sort of “activation” from some sort of order that allowed hi mto access more power.

  24. Abominatus674 October 12, 2014 at 5:11 pm -      #24

    Pre-Schrodinger Alucard is, as referenced in the story, a ‘living fortress’ comprised of the millions of souls of the people he’s devoured. These can be essentially sacrificed one by one to regenerate any damage which would actually kill him despite crazy vampire regen (typically decapitation or stabbing through the heart).
    +
    Alternatively, his various ‘release’ levels allow him to manifest various numbers/levels (or something; not really explained) of those souls as familiars made from blood, with all of their capabilities in life. His ‘level 0′ or ‘full’ release involves them becoming an almost literal sea of millions of bodies, some little more than zombies and some with specialised skills or abilities. Presuming this is from ‘peak’ pre-Schrodinger Alucard, this would include at least one medieval-esque army, a nazi vampire with magic playing cards (high cutting ability – shred through people & Alucard like nothing unless Al actively opposes it) and another nazi vampire with a magic musket (can change course at will, destroys helicopters like nothing).
    +
    He also show the ability to form a ‘blood vacuum’, absorbing the blood (=souls) of everyone within a vicinity (unknown range, effect on living people etc). This could be used as a last-ditch move if he does, in fact, have trouble against Kain.

    However, in his full release Alucard himself has only ‘regular’ vampire regen, as he can’t expend the active souls to revive himself. This form should make him harder to kill, as Kain would (from what people have said) only be able to absorb all of those souls by stabbing the ‘true’ Alucard, as opposed to only having to attack the one target without release.
    /
    Post-Schrodinger Alucard has at least two souls; his own and that of a human ‘Schrodinger’s Cat’. Due to this, he can be ‘everywhere and nowhere’, so even if he’s killed he can still manifest himself at will. ‘At will’ being the operative term here, he has to be able to recognise himself for that to occur. This is implied to limit the souls he can consume, but it’s never explicitly stated. Mindfuckery may work, but he’s shown to do a decent amount of that himself, so he could very well be resistant.

  25. Xornell October 12, 2014 at 7:30 pm -      #25

    I came to say Al wins.

  26. Commander Cross October 13, 2014 at 5:33 am -      #26

    @Cole at #14

    :( ;_;

    That right there is very sad to hear, a 3-way smackdown would have been a glorious sight to behold really.
    I would have blissfully joined in on the 3-way mayhem in a hat’s drop or less.

    Go look up a Universe fight with Tenchi Muyo if you’d like to know more.

    Or wait until Ragnorke’s project happens if a TM-multi-verse resident’s still in it, whichever happens first.

    Though in the TM Multi-verse’s defense, at least there’s some modicum of understandable incentive why fights are so rare.

    I know of a lot of other worlds/series that have less good explanations going on in their favor.

    ___

    So Kenny is up there with Pyramid Head or ‘his’/their colleagues-in-arms then.
    This is intriguing news to hear.

    ___

    Anyway back at the fight at hand, Pre-Schrodinger and Post-Schrodinger Alucard are no Wussies as I said before, and someone already notes that Alucard is a Black Magic Sorcerer before he became a Nigh-unkillable Lunatic, right?

  27. Kitten Lord October 13, 2014 at 5:36 am -      #27

    @Abom

    “These can be essentially sacrificed one by one to regenerate any damage which would actually kill him despite crazy vampire regen (typically decapitation or stabbing through the heart).”

    So if Kain just keeps smashing him into piecies, he will just keep losing souls trying to regenerate?


    “almost literal sea of millions of bodies,”

    Kain has a power called blood shower that devours all the blood in an area, of about a few meters range at least, maybe 10 at most. Earlier you said his fmailiars are made of blood and later you say drinking a helsing vampires blood is equivalent to taking the soul, this oculd be dangerous for Alucard.

    “He also show the ability to form a ‘blood vacuum’, absorbing the blood (=souls) of everyone within a vicinity (unknown range, effect on living people etc). This could be used as a last-ditch move if he does, in fact, have trouble against Kain.”

    Kain has powerful soul resistances, hell he tank the soul reaver itself. This blood vaccume is likely the same as blood shower.

    “This form should make him harder to kill, as Kain would (from what people have said) only be able to absorb all of those souls by stabbing the ‘true’ Alucard, as opposed to only having to attack the one target without release.”

    At the same time though he has no regen? or limited since he cant expend those souls to repair himself? So if Kain smashes this one, he is gone?

    “This is implied to limit the souls he can consume”

    Can he actually consume souls still? I wonder, Kain could jsut use inspire hate if Alucard releases, this means all his “familiars” may get possessed by the power of conflict and destroy eachother and evne go for Alucard himself.

    I am still not sure if Alucard can “harm” Kain, he is too durable. Even if it takes Kain time, I can see him winning the war of attrition, Kain also gains the pwoers of the foes he drinks from, so he could likely gain a bunch of stuff from Alucard on the fly and use it against him. Kain gaining a ton of familiars could be interesting.

  28. Mea quidem sententia October 13, 2014 at 11:32 am -      #28

    You mean Kain’s hardness is high. We’ve talked about how sudden shock can be a problem. I don’t know what Alucard can do. I honestly don’t care, either, since Hellsing looks like another one of those animes where killing the anti-hero or protagonist is nigh-impossible.

  29. Mea quidem sententia October 13, 2014 at 11:55 am -      #29

    I suppose it should be addressed here. Kain’s attire is iron armor, which grants him resistance to fire and offers good defense. So, why would a vampire with hardness above 10 on Mohs scale need protection from an object with only 4 on the scale? Kain is seen wearing this in cut-scenes, since you prefer cut-scenes.

  30. Rookie October 13, 2014 at 12:02 pm -      #30

    @Mea quidem sententia

    ” I honestly don’t care, either, since Hellsing looks like another one of those animes where killing the anti-hero or protagonist is nigh-impossible.”

    Yep, you right. I am still think Hellsing is solid, but I can understand your point. Hellsing was meant to be crazy, but it still not bad. Hellsing is good also because of the main villain, who while not having any super powers at all, still managed to be great villian.

  31. Friendlysociopath October 13, 2014 at 12:10 pm -      #31

    “I suppose it should be addressed here. Kain’s attire is iron armor, which grants him resistance to fire and offers good defense. So, why would a vampire with hardness above 10 on Mohs scale need protection from an object with only 4 on the scale? Kain is seen wearing this in cut-scenes, since you prefer cut-scenes.”

    Firstly, because that’s the way BankGambling works- for better or for worse- feats are judged precisely according to physics, whether they were intended as such or not. If Raziel can puncture stone with his claws and those claws don’t scratch Kain or even appear to cause him pain- Kain is harder than the rock.

    Secondly, the man has to wear something doesn’t he? Vampire with diamond-hard skin or not, dangling your naughty bits out in the open during a fight is just asking for something bad to happen to you.

  32. Ragnorke October 13, 2014 at 12:20 pm -      #32

    “Pre-Schrodinger Alucard is, as referenced in the story, a ‘living fortress’ comprised of the millions of souls of the people he’s devoured. These can be essentially sacrificed one by one”

    Post-Schrodinger Alucard only has 1 soul (arguably 2, since he retains Schrodingers powers), which can be consumed.

  33. Mea quidem sententia October 13, 2014 at 4:15 pm -      #33

    Friendlysociopath, if inconsistency is presented, then something is wrong. That’s how logic works. Also, Kain has other attire, so that reply isn’t convincing. Not that it ever would have been.

  34. Kitten Lord October 13, 2014 at 4:47 pm -      #34

    @Mea

    ” So, why would a vampire with hardness above 10 on Mohs scale need protection from an object with only 4 on the scale? Kain is seen wearing this in cut-scenes, since you prefer cut-scenes.”

    Your still argueing against this even though we pretty much got it down to a fine and as accurate as possible figuire? I thought we concluded this in that other thread?

    Kain does not wear “iron” or any form of armour since becoming an elder, I have never argued Blood omen Kain as being durable. And dont try and use diamonds substence as Kains, Kain merely is as hard to damage as diamond, or as the other calc suggests hundreds times a carbon nanotube, he is not literally made of diamond.

    his skin is still as elastic as skin, his flesh and organs still act as such. Its just if you hit him with a pressure not equel to that of petapascals then its not causing a scratch.

    This is per square millimeter of his skin.

  35. Mea quidem sententia October 13, 2014 at 6:16 pm -      #35

    Well, I did say something still has me thinking it’s not right. You’ll probably never see me not question this. Well, you brought up Kain being weaker before. Will you put up with me a little longer and explain again this change in Kain?

    It’s my understanding that harder objects are not as elastic as softer objects. So, Kain doesn’t need to be diamond and that’s not what I’m arguing anyway.

  36. Mea quidem sententia October 13, 2014 at 6:19 pm -      #36

    Also, petapascals? Explain. I thought it was terapascals, but when I calced again, I learned it was actually gigapascals.

  37. Ragnorke October 13, 2014 at 6:31 pm -      #37

    “It’s my understanding that harder objects are not as elastic as softer objects.”

    Brittleness & Elasticity are very different things.

  38. Kitten Lord October 13, 2014 at 6:35 pm -      #38

    @Mea

    “So, Kain doesn’t need to be diamond and that’s not what I’m arguing anyway.”

    Earlier you said diamond is brittle, therefore Kain must be too but his just capable of tanking the pressure that Diamond can. That does not change hos elastic his skin is, theres no factors that have changed his skin, he moves and acts just like something of flesh. He does not shatter or crakc or break when he leaps or gets impacted does he? no…

    Finding some sort of comparison in real materials between hardness and brittleness is not comparable to a fictional beings “skin” which would have just as much elasticity as real skin or require more force/pressure to stretch than normal.

    “Also, petapascals? Explain. I thought it was terapascals, but when I calced again, I learned it was actually gigapascals.”

    We had two calcs, the first one just took the pressure Raziel required to do what he did to the block, which I understood which gave petapascals. Then you did a different calc which I am not so sure about, which gave us terapascals to begin with but as you say, you re-calced.

    Youe second calc if i recall calculated raziel making an indentation in kain if I recall?

    The first one was more to the point and is just generally less complicated.

  39. Mea quidem sententia October 13, 2014 at 8:37 pm -      #39

    I know, Ragnorke. I’m trying to make sense of these things. I’ll need to research more.

    Yeah, I thought we agreed on that last calc, since scratching was involved. I’ll research more for now. Life is kind of busy at the moment. Blah.

  40. Amm0vamp1r3 October 15, 2014 at 11:36 am -      #40

    My money is on Kain, probably.

    Alucard has some big ass guns and hasn’t shown significant reactions to be able to dodge bullets

    Thing is calc wise…Kains skin is diamond like, thought wise…..its not, but I think Calc>> thoughts on BankGambling. So diamond skin

    And he also has a weapon that attacks the soul directly

    “”Time fades even legend, and the origin of Soul Reaver has been lost long ago. But its purpose remains – to feed on the souls of any creature it strikes. Kindred, this blade and I.” ―Kain —”

    plus all its magical artifacts, Alucard would know this thing is magical but I doubt he would know to not play with his opponent so that’s a life or two gone because he’s an idiot

    That’s my idea of this, both are immortal, both having staying ability, both have TK, and both have other crazy vampire powers but Kain has that extra “oomph”. That extra edge that makes me thing he takes it.

  41. Kitten Lord November 14, 2014 at 5:34 am -      #41

    FP award for Kain? 😀

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