Captain America Vs King Bradley

Captain America Vs King Bradley

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Here we have Captain America (Marvel) going up against King Bradley (Full Metal Alchemist)

Fight takes place in an abandoned French tank factory.

Winner by Death.

Who wins?

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100 Comments on "Captain America Vs King Bradley"

  1. Cole October 8, 2014 at 6:53 am -      #1

    Forgot to mention that this is 616 Captain America, and Manga Bradley although I will allow feats from Brotherhood

  2. Jake_Uzumaki October 8, 2014 at 7:50 am -      #2

    So…this is Steve Rogers with the Super Soldier Serum right?

    Well to give an idea what Bradley is up against.

    Cap vs Apache Helicopter
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    lifting a large chunk of metal reinforced concrete (I know there’s a name for the metal rods but my minds a blank right now) and tossing it at a machine gunner on the roof of a building from..maybe 30 feet?
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    Cap throwing his shield with enough force to go through a truck.
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    can bench 1100 pounds img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051112061143/marveldatabase/images/5/5a/Captain_America_Benchpress.jpg

    dodging a close range bullet after it was fired and throwing the shield accurately enough to hit the shooter in the back as he dodged
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  3. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 7:57 am -      #3

    Cap has a massive Strength advantage, but that isn’t gunna stop him from getting stabbed.

    Cap has a massive Defensive advantage due to his shield, but i don’t think he’s fast enough to position the shield where he needs to.

    I’m going with Bradley on this. He was able to dodge Roys fire alchemy, which has a near instant travel time.
    He also made 3 swings with his sword, and cut Eds polearm in multiple places, without anyone noticing he moved at all.

  4. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 7:58 am -      #4

    “can bench 1100 pounds”

    That’s actually less impressive then i thought…
    I know people that can lift 250-300 kilos… 500 just doesn’t seem very “Superhero” like.

  5. Jake_Uzumaki October 8, 2014 at 8:10 am -      #5

    Throwing the shield accurately at a launched Ballistic Missile to break the shackles holding Falcon to it and accurately enough that it comes right back to him (Cap’s good at math so he can accurately predict trajectories)
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    My primary question is would Bradley be able to predict the shield hitting him from behind since the Ultimate Eye works similar to the basic Sharingan (ie reading a persons body movements to predict their moves) because if not he’s going to get hit in the back by the shield…and that is not going to be pretty.

    The power of Cap’s internal calculations lets him avoid laser beams (obviously not lightspeed ones though) in Zero G while also reducing the number of active laser turrets all fast enough that the shield is back to him before the next firing sequence initiates.
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    Apparently the SSS gave Steve similar if not quite as good eye enhancements since when asked how he dodges bullets he explained he just see’s faster.
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    Shield bashing someone through a pillar
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    Punched Wolverine hard enough to send him through a jeep (with the Adamantium bones Wolverine weighs a total of 300 pounds so impressive punch)
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  6. Jake_Uzumaki October 8, 2014 at 8:14 am -      #6

    @Ragnorke
    well to be fair that scan was back when peak human meant something a little different, plus I don’t know if that’s the max he can bench or not considering the concrete feat before that, punching Wolverine hard enough to send him through a jeep, throwing the shield hard enough to plow through a truck down the middle, bashing people through pillars, and….throwing the shield hard enough to catch up to a launched ballistic missile break through manacles on the missile and return directly to his hand without visibly loosing momentum..which is in a post that for some reason is in moderation.

  7. Jake_Uzumaki October 8, 2014 at 8:19 am -      #7

    Cap is near Red Skull, Red Skull fires three shots, Cap is between Red Skull and the target blocking all three rounds.
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    Manually forcing the doors of a Nuclear Missile Silo closed.
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    “is he wearing a parachute?”
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  8. Rookie October 8, 2014 at 8:25 am -      #8

    Wait, captain America defeated Thor once?
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    If yes, then he wins here.

  9. Jake_Uzumaki October 8, 2014 at 8:26 am -      #9

    see’s an surface to air missile coming towards the plane their in, jumps out without a parachute, throws the shield to accurately smack the guy with the launcher and the guy next to him all in the rain mind, and aimed the shield so that it would reach the point where he would be after crushing a car that was behind the two guys he smacked…while also predicting that the missile inevitably launched when the guy with the launcher got shield smacked would go over the car before he got to its flight path so it would miss him and hit the compound he was breaking into. All without a parachute.
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    Could Bradley pull off something like that?

  10. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 8:27 am -      #10

    “Wait, captain America defeated Thor once?”

    Considering Thor has the feats that prove he can survive a Supernova… This is total PiS, unless you think Cap has the energy output / Force greater than an exploding star.

  11. Rookie October 8, 2014 at 8:36 am -      #11

    @Ragnorke

    “Considering Thor has the feats that prove he can survive a Supernova… This is total PiS, unless you think Cap has the energy output / Force greater than an exploding star.”

    Never read comics about Captain.
    This is what author did apparently. You and I both can see that Thor lost to him. PIS or not, this happened.

  12. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 8:37 am -      #12

    “Could Bradley pull off something like that?”

    Probably not, but can Cap pull off something like this:

    Bradley casually dodging bullets and near instant alchemy:
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    Bradley beating the shit out of an “indestructible” Humuncolos:
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    Can jump the height of buildings apparently:
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    Ok, so Bradley can deflects 50 cal bullets from a tank,
    Cuts the fucking missile in half:,
    Continues chasing the Tank while dodging all the bullets,
    And accurately stabs someone INSIDE the tank from the outside,
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  13. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 8:38 am -      #13

    “This is what author did apparently. You and I both can see that Thor lost to him. PIS or not, this happened.”

    Thanos lost to 2 police officers. Do they have planet busting powers now?

    My list of Bradley feats is awaiting moderation.

  14. Jake_Uzumaki October 8, 2014 at 8:40 am -      #14

    Yeah the Thor thing was moments after he beat Hulk and Thing to death after having the Odinforce stripped from him before that fight. And after that Thor got up and was ready to own him but then realized how much he fucked up Earth and used the Odinforce (after Strange gave it back) to reverse time and not take over the Earth. So 1. It now never happened. 2. Thor had just fought an out for blood Hulk and won. 3. It’s only slightly less bullshit than some of Batman’s more retarded feats and shouldn’t be taken too seriously.

    Also post 5 is out of moderation now so the ballistic missile feat and a few others are now there.

  15. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 8:46 am -      #15

    Bradley simultaneously fights 2 bullet timers, one of whom is “Indestructible” & and has regen,
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    Bradley “beat” Scar, and only lost due to Plot.
    Keep in mind Scar is someone that can INSTANTLY kill ANYONE by simply touching them.
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    The Captain doesn’t have the feats to match these people.

  16. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 8:48 am -      #16

    Posts 12 & 15 have Bradley feats in Gif format (Awaiting Moderation), and clearly show how far out of Caps league he is.

  17. Jake_Uzumaki October 8, 2014 at 8:52 am -      #17

    fighting Spider-Man who has full on precog, however something to note is Spidey doesn’t use his full strength and speed on anyone that it would kill (like Cap) so grain of salt and all that. However it does show how Cap takes advantage of what he knows of an opponent (granted all he’ll know here is that Bradley is an incredibly skilled enhanced soldier..and possibly that he has some form of precog though I don’t know if that is beyond the bounds of the basic information rule or not) plus I’d say Spidey is probably a good deal faster than Bradley so a not going full speed Spidey may or may not be as fast as Bradley.
    Anyway Cap vs Spidey with Spidey narrating. Spidey describes Cap’s fighting style as not sequences of moves but one fluid move from start to finish. Also shows Cap taking advantage of someone thinking taking the shield from him weakens him.
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    Spidey describes the Shield as perfect geometry
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  18. Rookie October 8, 2014 at 8:56 am -      #18

    @Ragnorke

    “Thanos lost to 2 police officers. Do they have planet busting powers now?”

    Nah, I looked into this and he lost to heroes and cops just taken him away after the fight. He probably wanted it, to run away later, without any troubles. He never hit them after all.

  19. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 8:59 am -      #19

    “and possibly that he has some form of precog though I don’t know if that is beyond the bounds of the basic information rule or not)”

    Bradley keeps his eye hidden, there’s no way Cap should know about it.

    ” plus I’d say Spidey is probably a good deal faster than Bradley”

    Arguable. Definitely not under normal circumstances, although i’d assume spidey can push himself when he really needs to.
    Bradley ALWAYS fights at bullet timing speeds. Calling him just a bullet timer is actually an understatement considering how casually he dodges them. He barely needs to twitch.

    ” so a not going full speed Spidey may or may not be as fast as Bradley.”

    He was definitely fighting slower than Bradley if Cap had a fighting chance against him.

    ” Spidey describes Cap’s fighting style as not sequences of moves but one fluid move from start to finish”

    He should see Bradley fight then.

    ” Also shows Cap taking advantage of someone thinking taking the shield from him weakens him.”

    1. Fight starts
    2. Bradley stabs
    3. Cap is dead

  20. Rookie October 8, 2014 at 9:02 am -      #20

    @Ragnorke

    “Bradley ALWAYS fights at bullet timing speeds. Calling him just a bullet timer is actually an understatement considering how casually he dodges them. He barely needs to twitch.”

    Yes and he also can see enemy weak points thanks tohis eye.
    If he can hurt Cap, he will win here.

  21. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 9:02 am -      #21

    @Rookie
    “Nah, I looked into this and he lost to heroes and cops just taken him away after the fight. He probably wanted it, to run away later, without any troubles. He never hit them after all.”

    Darkseid got physically beaten up by random thugs and left on the side walk like a bitch.
    PiS happens. Cap beating Thor would be PiS, unless as i said earlier, you think Cap can create more Energy/Force than an exploding star.

    Not that it matters, Jake already mentioned how heavily nerfed Thor was at the time.

  22. Jake_Uzumaki October 8, 2014 at 9:09 am -      #22

    Mastered Zero-G combat against Kang in mid battle more completely than people that have trained in it for decades.
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    US Agent a ten tonner takes a swing at Cap, Cap catches the punch and uses pressure points in the hand to take the bite out.
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    took out an entire room full of armed trolls while unarmed.
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  23. Cole October 8, 2014 at 9:12 am -      #23

    I know Bradley’s swords won’t do anything against Cap’s shield, but how strong is his scale mail armor? Cuz if it can withstand piercing attacks that could make a noticeable difference in the fight.

  24. Jake_Uzumaki October 8, 2014 at 9:13 am -      #24

    Cap isn’t going to die from one stab, he’s had multiple stab wounds and been practically gutted recently in dimension Z and was still punching people in the face as he made his way through the facility, Bradley will stab him and Cap will shield slap him.

  25. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 9:17 am -      #25

    ” but how strong is his scale mail armor? ”

    Bradley has made clean cuts through walls using his sword/strength, it WILL pierce through Cap.

    “Cap isn’t going to die from one stab,”

    Cap would get his limbs (or head) chopped off almost instantly.
    That seems to be Bradleys preferred tactic too.

    ” Bradley will stab him and Cap will shield slap him”

    No…
    Bradley will stab him, stab him again, and again, and again… Possibly chop some limbs off… stab him some more times for shits and giggles… Or just behead him right off the bat.

  26. Jake_Uzumaki October 8, 2014 at 9:21 am -      #26

    while in dimension Z for 12 years fought against some of Zola’s many many many superpowered mutants.
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    gets slashed across the stomach, gets up and bashes the guy upside the head with the nearest blunt object
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    takes a beating from a gamma ray enhanced and super soldier serum enhanced mutant
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  27. Cole October 8, 2014 at 9:26 am -      #27

    A good speed feat for Bradley was when he was aboard a train falling off a cliff a made it too the top by jumping and climbing falling debris. He’s also fast enough to deflect machine gun fire with his swords, and he even cut a tank shell in half once. I’m not saying he wins, I’m saying Cap has one hell of a fight on his hands

  28. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 9:27 am -      #28

    “gets slashed across the stomach, gets up and bashes the guy upside the head with the nearest blunt object”

    You truly are underestimating the speed difference here.
    Cap isn’t going to get the chance to hit Bradley back, like ever.

    Scar is capable of destroying anything/anyone INSTANTLY by just touching them, and he still got shit on by Bradley.

    Greed’s an indestructible bullet-timer, and still couldn’t touch Bradley. He was just an annoying pain in the ass to deal with.

    Bradley deflects 50 cal bullets from tanks like they’re nothing… I’d love to see cap do that without his shield.

    Bradley has completely destroyed & made clean cuts through walls with his swords, so there’s no way in hell Cap is taking more than one hit.
    His limbs are going to get straight up amputated, not just cuts.

  29. Jake_Uzumaki October 8, 2014 at 9:29 am -      #29

    Cap guts himself to remove the Zola virus
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    while still bleeding out proceeds to assault Zola’s citadel not slowing down much at all and is even able to move fast enough to bash the superhuman mutant upside the head.
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    to be continued

  30. Jake_Uzumaki October 8, 2014 at 9:38 am -      #30

    continued, proceeds to get attacked by Ian Zola who was made with a perfected version of the same twisted SSS serum as the gamma enhanced mutant, is still able to stand after several superhuman blows to the head, and proceeds to survive being impaled through the back.
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    to be continued

  31. Jake_Uzumaki October 8, 2014 at 9:47 am -      #31

    survived a fall from multiple stories after being tackled by Zola seniors robotic body. sadly the rest of the links are broken so still looking for the scans of him fighting his way to the portal to escape.
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    Bradley’s swords are just puny steel, one good shield block with enough force will shatter them like cheap wood, Bradley needs his swords to do all the bullet deflecting stuff just like Cap requires the shield to deflect bullets take away weapons and Cap is too durable for Bradley to put down, Cap is fast enough to block one sword which will shatter it then keep the shield going to knock Bradley away, and get some momentum going to split him in half.

    blocks two missiles and slices through the thruster of a third.
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  32. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 9:50 am -      #32

    @Jake
    None of that prevents him from getting his body chopped into pieces though…
    Yea, Cap can keep fighting even with multiple deep wounds…
    But deep wounds =/= amputation or beheading.

    Caps armor is NOT durable enough to survive a SINGLE hit from Bradley.
    And Cap is not fast fast enough to dodge or block a single hit from Bradley.

    This match isn’t about whether or not Cap can beat Bradley, but rather about how many seconds it takes for Cap to die.

  33. Friendlysociopath October 8, 2014 at 9:52 am -      #33

    “Bradley’s swords are just puny steel, one good shield block with enough force will shatter them like cheap wood, Bradley needs his swords to do all the bullet deflecting stuff just like Cap requires the shield to deflect bullets take away weapons and Cap is too durable for Bradley to put down, Cap is fast enough to block one sword which will shatter it then keep the shield going to knock Bradley away, and get some momentum going to split him in half.”

    Considering he cuts through stone walls and tank shells- they are not regular steel.

  34. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 9:54 am -      #34

    @Jake
    “Bradley’s swords are just puny steel, one good shield block with enough force will shatter them like cheap wood”

    Did you ignore the part where i said Bradley has destroyed walls and made clean cuts through walls… Using those swords?
    They most certainly are not “puny steel”.
    They even hit Greed with full force without breaking.

    Also, Cap isn’t going to get “One good shield block” unless you can prove he’s fast enough to.
    Which for now, he isn’t.

    “Bradley needs his swords to do all the bullet deflecting stuff just like Cap requires the shield”

    No lol. No he doesn’t.
    The links are currently under moderation, but don’t try to make bullshit claims.
    Bradley does NOT need his swords to deflect bullets AT ALL.
    He casually dodges machine gun fire by just moving around.

    ” take away weapons and Cap is too durable for Bradley to put down,”

    But why should we take away weapons?
    It just takes Bradley a fraction of a second to chop Caps head off, shield or no shield.

    “Cap is fast enough to block one sword ”

    Where the fuck did you get this ass pull from?
    How on earth is Cap fast enough to block on sword hit?
    That’s not going to happen, specially with Bradleys precog.

  35. Cole October 8, 2014 at 9:57 am -      #35

    One factor I’d like to bring up is that Bradley’s main weakness is that he grows tired thus slower in prolonged Battle. Cap’s SSS prevents him from getting tired, so it could be possible that Cap could outlast Bradley long enough till he tags him.

  36. Zazax October 8, 2014 at 9:59 am -      #36

    I feel I should mention that during the .gifs Rag posted of Bradley manhandling Scar, Bradley had only a short time before been impaled through the stomach (hence the one bit where mid-lunge he suddenly spurts blood everywhere). So the feats there are him fighting while mortally wounded.

  37. Sauroposeidon October 8, 2014 at 11:11 am -      #37

    I think it’s obvious Captain America would win. The good guy always beat the bad guy.

  38. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 11:30 am -      #38

    @Sauro
    “I think it’s obvious Captain America would win. The good guy always beat the bad guy.”

    Thanos says hi.

  39. Sauroposeidon October 8, 2014 at 11:33 am -      #39

    Tell him that restraining order in effect and the same cops who beat his ass are keeping their eye on him. If he tries to contact me again or if he comes with in 12 miles of me he’s toast.

  40. Jake_Uzumaki October 8, 2014 at 12:54 pm -      #40

    dodging sonic attacks
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    hitting trip wires then leaping out of the way of the explosion
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    deflects then catches a torpedo
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    -

  41. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 8, 2014 at 1:06 pm -      #41

    “Wait, captain America defeated Thor once?
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    If yes, then he wins here.”

    Say hello to what happens afterwards:
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    Yea, Thor fried Cap.

  42. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 1:21 pm -      #42

    “dodging sonic attacks
    i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb410/raykongs/Capdodgesonic_zps58cd8830.jpg”

    Sound barely travels at half the speed of a bullet.
    Now take into consideration just how EASILY Bradley shrugs off bullets.

    Some of the Gifs i posted show almost a dozen people firing with machine guns.
    And it shows Bradley DODGING all of them in slow motion… He doesn’t need his sword to deflect them at all.

    Also, he jumps the height of a building… So that should give you an idea of his leg strength i suppose.

    There’s really only one way i see this match going down… Which is Bradley chopping off Caps head.

  43. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 1:24 pm -      #43

    Am i the only one that thinks this would be more interesting if both characters lose their weapons?
    No indestructable shield for Cap. No swords for Bradley.

    It would just be a boxing match to the death between someone that’s extremely strong & someone that’s extremely fast.

    Waitin for your say on this Cole.

  44. Rookie October 8, 2014 at 1:30 pm -      #44

    @Ragnorke

    “Am i the only one that thinks this would be more interesting if both characters lose their weapons?
    No indestructable shield for Cap. No swords for Bradley.”

    Sounds cool actually. Although Bradley do not know any martial arts most likely. But I think we should make this in two scenarios. one with weapons and the other without weapons and armor.

    But it’s up to @Cole to decide.

  45. Guardian Dualgunner M1911A1 October 8, 2014 at 1:56 pm -      #45

    Problem with disarming the characters is that we have next to no feats of Bradley’s pugilistic prowess. Bradley might dominate in the fight, but his team of debaters would never be able to back up how or if he could with any feats.

    TL;DR
    It would be amazing to see but tough as balls to debate.

  46. Jake_Uzumaki October 8, 2014 at 2:09 pm -      #46

    Cap leaping onto the roof of a building and proceeding to move across the city this way
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    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/60791/2277080-captainamericav302518xs7.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/60791/2277081-captainamericav302519gh4.jpg

    and it’s a bit hard to tell but I believe he’s straight jumping onto the roof of a two story building here
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/60791/2277084-11ta6.jpg

    woke up from getting shot in the head
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/65990/2277473-page003004sn5.jpg

  47. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 2:10 pm -      #47

    “Problem with disarming the characters is that we have next to no feats of Bradley’s pugilistic prowess.”

    Well, he can jump crazy high and can break castle walls with his swords.
    Those are both signs of physical strength, since the Swords themselves are not what caused the walls to break.

    He clearly isn’t on the same strength tier as the Captain, but he has precog and speed to make up for it.

    The problem with the match in its current state, is that the Cap has nothing stopping him from instantly getting his head chopped off besides his Shield…
    And unfortunately using the Shield relies on speed… Which Cap doesn’t have enough of.

  48. Warlock Lowk October 8, 2014 at 2:16 pm -      #48

    Even going just manga Bradley was slashing automatic fire. Cap is fast but I don’t think hes capable of fighting at that kind of speed.
    ===
    @Dualgunner
    You name cunfuses me.

  49. Guardian Dualgunner M1911A1 October 8, 2014 at 2:18 pm -      #49

    “Well, he can jump crazy high and can break castle walls with his swords.
    Those are both signs of physical strength, since the Swords themselves are not what caused the walls to break.”
    In that same vein, we never see Bradley actually go fist-to-fist with somebody. He has strength and speed, but we have no idea if he has any form, and thus we cannot provide any feats to skill.

    Strength and speed are great, but if your foe knows how to dance around you and use your traits against you, they are meaningless.

    I see where you are coming from when you state the problem with the match as-is; I will refrain from dragging on the subject before Post 50 so that OP has a chance to alter the match as they wish, but do know that I do see your point.

  50. Jake_Uzumaki October 8, 2014 at 2:22 pm -      #50

    Cap saying he has mastered every form of hand to hand combat known to man
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/68428/2277086-1641466-picture_1_super.jpg

    Does a front flip with a large amount of ice on his legs, breaks it with one blow then beats up Beast
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/60791/2277095-capvsiceman.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/60791/2277096-capvsbeast.jpg

    remember that scan where he said he see’s faster and can dodge bullets because of it? here’s what came right before that
    img286.imageshack.us/img286/9880/ca17014az4.jpg
    img329.imageshack.us/img329/269/ca17015lw0.jpg

  51. Guardian Dualgunner M1911A1 October 8, 2014 at 2:24 pm -      #51

    Aaaaaand it’s gone.

    “@Dualgunner
    You name cunfuses me.”
    It is a play on Guardian Angel’s original username “Guardianangel1911″. Since my gravatar is Castiel, an Angel from the TV Show “Supernatural”, and the M1911A1 is a gun (rather beautiful one), I decided to do a bit of an homage.

  52. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 2:27 pm -      #52

    “but we have no idea if he has any form, and thus we cannot provide any feats to skill.”

    That’s a good point.
    However, there are instances of Bradley punching & pushing things, instead of relying solely on swords.

    In a lot of his fights against Greed, his Swords were practically useless. And he resorted to using wrestling-esq moves to keep Greed down.

    “; I will refrain from dragging on the subject before Post 50 so that OP has a chance to alter the match as they wish, ”

    All of us have already brought up the topic, we’re just waiting for OPs confirmation.
    Doesn’t matter if it happens a bit after post #50, as long as he confirms it in his next post.

  53. Warlock Lowk October 8, 2014 at 2:47 pm -      #53

    “It is a play on Guardian Angel’s original username “Guardianangel1911″.”

    That was the part that confused me. Had to double take because his name change and yours where in the same match..

  54. Commander Cross October 8, 2014 at 3:00 pm -      #54

    @Admiral Dualgunner at #51

    I gotta admit, it’s almost like someone got back from the dead and is not possessed by Remnants* for a moment.

    Nor anything else equally-as-horrific worth saying, IMHO.

    ____

    As for this fight, I have to have faith it’ll be worthwhile.

    I hope I don’t make anything worse on the fight suggester at the moment, I’m too weary to afford messing up this fight.

    1.) (From The World of Skulduggery Pleasant, by Derek Landy. You wanna know more?Just click the link.)

  55. Guardian Dualgunner M1911A1 October 8, 2014 at 3:25 pm -      #55

    “All of us have already brought up the topic, we’re just waiting for OPs confirmation.
    Doesn’t matter if it happens a bit after post #50, as long as he confirms it in his next post.”
    Ah, that’s good.

    I don’t recall his fights with Greed in extreme detail, but what you said makes sense; I’ll have to go back and re-read the series. (like that is anything bad; I love the series lol)

  56. God Of Godzilla October 8, 2014 at 4:34 pm -      #56

    While King Bradly does have impressive physical feats, what are his feats of endurance because CA’s SSS can keep him fighting for hours without breaking a sweat and a french tank factory could provide some sort of tactical advantage for CA since he is a damn good tactician

  57. Friendlysociopath October 8, 2014 at 5:43 pm -      #57

    “While King Bradly does have impressive physical feats, what are his feats of endurance because CA’s SSS can keep him fighting for hours without breaking a sweat and a french tank factory could provide some sort of tactical advantage for CA since he is a damn good tactician”

    If CA is fighting the battle won’t last hours, or even minutes. And if he’s running around in the factory… it doesn’t take a great deal of effort to chase someone compared to fighting.

  58. Guardian Dualgunner M1911A1 October 8, 2014 at 5:43 pm -      #58

    “While King Bradly does have impressive physical feats, what are his feats of endurance because CA’s SSS can keep him fighting for hours without breaking a sweat and a french tank factory could provide some sort of tactical advantage for CA since he is a damn good tactician”

    Endurance only counts if this becomes a man-to-man fight. If Bradley gets his sword, you’re gonna need feats of cap fighting without his head or limbs for his endurance to keep up.

  59. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 5:51 pm -      #59

    @God Of Godzilla
    Father wanted Bradley to be a “human-like”, in order for him to blend in and rule properly… So he lacks a lot of the powers the other homunculus have.

    Unlike the others, he only has one life. So he can get mortally wounded and killed. So he has practically no enhanced durability.
    As for his stamina… He has no showings of superhuman stamina besides it being able to support his body moving and jumping around at superhuman speeds.
    So we have to assume he tires out eventually.

    Edit: This only matters if Bradley drops his swords though…

    @Cole
    Another thing worth changing/specifying would be the distance they start at… Specially for the round where weapons are included (assuming you want to make 2 different rounds)

  60. Cole October 8, 2014 at 6:25 pm -      #60

    @Ragnorke OK, they start about 20 ft from each other, and as for your boxing idea between the two, sure, but let’s make that the second round.
    Rules: Cap must wear regular cloths since I’m pretty sure his costume is also armor and they must also wear league approved gloves.

  61. Friendlysociopath October 8, 2014 at 6:30 pm -      #61

    “Rules: Cap must wear regular cloths since I’m pretty sure his costume is also armor and they must also wear league approved gloves.”

    The image of full-blown Wrath fighting in boxing gloves… that’s such an amusing image.

  62. wingedlion October 8, 2014 at 7:49 pm -      #62

    “No lol. No he doesn’t.
    The links are currently under moderation, but don’t try to make bullshit claims.
    Bradley does NOT need his swords to deflect bullets AT ALL.
    He casually dodges machine gun fire by just moving around.”

    that’s dodging, not deflecting.

  63. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 8:07 pm -      #63

    “that’s dodging, not deflecting”

    Which is exactly why it’s more impressive. He doesn’t need any weapons to avoid gunfire, he can simply move his entire body at that speed.

    Captain America isn’t anywhere near the sonic speed range, whereas Bradley’s leagues above it.

  64. Tarbel October 8, 2014 at 9:54 pm -      #64

    @Ragnorke
    There are two types of dodging.
    Aim dodging vs actual dodging
    Aim dodging, gun example: moving faster than someone can pull the trigger, moving faster than someone can point the barrel, anticipating bullet trajectory and dodging, and more.
    Actual dodging, gun example: dodging a bullet after it’s left the barrel, . that’s pretty much it.

    The same goes for deflecting also. Considering Bradley has a special eye, I’m more inclined to say he is aim dodging bullets. But, that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have fast reaction times (~slightly subsonic), just that he isn’t necessarily capable of dodging supersonic (~rifle speed) projectiles.

    As for Roy’s near instant alchemy is supersonic based on the nature of the attack, which is combustion or, specifically, deflagration/detonation.


    Also, Captain America’s speed is being severely underestimated. For instance, his feat for pretty much splitting a missile in half was calced, by me, to be around Mach 2 meaning Capt is capable of supersonic arm speeds. He has also blocked pistol bullets, after they have been fired, about 5 meters away, by moving ~2 meters there with his shield, to protect someone. Which a quick calc with 250 m/s bullets to be an average velocity of 100 m/s which means he had to go twice that speed to account for acceleration and deceleration.
    To be short, Capt has moved at 200 m/s in order to save someone. Yes that is slower than a bullet, but you can actually dodge bullets by moving much slower than that. The point is to say that Capt can move 2/3 the speed of sound in a short burst and with the use of his arms, he would firmly be striking at supersonic speeds in bursts.

    Bradley isn’t leagues above him.

  65. Friendlysociopath October 8, 2014 at 9:58 pm -      #65

    quantumkonar.deviantart.com/art/Fuhrer-487245397?ga_submit_new=10%253A1412808868

    Well, I got a chuckle out of it- plus the expression I got from a friend of mine when he saw it made the 5 minutes worth it.

  66. Tarbel October 8, 2014 at 10:13 pm -      #66

    Scratch that about splitting a missile in half in my last post. Recalled incorrectly. But the calc is still correct.

  67. Tarbel October 8, 2014 at 10:32 pm -      #67

    The mach 2 calc:
    ” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercontinental_ballistic_missile
    “The following flight phases can be distinguished:
    boost phase: 3 to 5 minutes (shorter for a solid rocket than for a liquid-propellant rocket); altitude at the end of this phase is typically 150 to 400 km depending on the trajectory chosen, typical burnout speed is 7 km/s, up to the speed of Low Earth Orbit.”

    Let’s say 4 minutes, to reach 7 km/s.
    7000ms/240s = 29.167 m/s*s average acceleration.
    No idea when the launch started, but it’s at near cloud height so I’ll go based off that.
    www.crh.noaa.gov/lmk/?n=cloud_classification
    lowest is 6500 feet and highest is 20,000 feet.
    I’ll use 10,000 feet for ease of calculations.

    Calculated to take 14.457 seconds to get up there.
    Final velocity of 421.667319 m/s.

    But he would need at least double the final velocity to reach the missile
    Almost Mach 2″



    Also, Bradley’s swords will probably break upon hard impact with Capt’s shield or intentionally broken by Cap anyway.

  68. sadot06 October 9, 2014 at 7:29 am -      #68

    “The same goes for deflecting also. Considering Bradley has a special eye, I’m more inclined to say he is aim dodging bullets. But, that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have fast reaction times (~slightly subsonic), just that he isn’t necessarily capable of dodging supersonic (~rifle speed) projectiles.
    –”
    I’m assuming you didn’t see the gif of him dodging 3 bullets after they were fired and nearly upon him. Post 12.

  69. Ragnorke October 9, 2014 at 9:24 am -      #69

    “Aim dodging vs actual dodging”

    How exactly can Bradley aim dodge bullets coming from dozens of different guns all around him?
    That isn’t aim-dodging.

    Also, there’s a gif posted that clearly shows Bradley dodging a bullet when it’s only a few inches away from his face.
    There’s no debate on whether this is aim-dodging or not.

    “Considering Bradley has a special eye, I’m more inclined to say he is aim dodging bullets”

    Captain America is the one usually aim-dodging/blocking, not Bradley.

    ” just that he isn’t necessarily capable of dodging supersonic (~rifle speed) projectiles.”

    You’re 100% wrong here.

    “He has also blocked pistol bullets, after they have been fired, about 5 meters away, by moving ~2 meters there with his shield, to protect someone”

    Wait, how do you know he only started moving after the bullet left the barrel? He could have already been building up his acceleration.
    Also, he most likely started reacting the second he saw the gun raised, not when the bullet left the barrel. Aka aim-dodging.

    Also, i hope you realize Raising a shield to block something, and actually cutting each individual bullet in half with a sword…
    That’s a MASSIVE difference in Accuracy/Movement-Speed/Reaction-speed.
    There really is no comparison.

    ” The point is to say that Capt can move 2/3 the speed of sound in a short burst”

    Whereas Bradley can move 4 or 5 times the speed of sound… for an entire fight…

    “and with the use of his arms, he would firmly be striking at supersonic speeds in bursts.”

    He was able to raise a shield, big whoop.
    Bradley can move circles around Cap and stab him a dozen different places in the same time frame.

    “Also, Bradley’s swords will probably break upon hard impact with Capt’s shield or intentionally broken by Cap anyway.”

    1. Cap raises shield in his short burst of speed.
    2. Bradley moved behind him and decapitates.

  70. Tarbel October 9, 2014 at 5:32 pm -      #70

    Alright well I didn’t see that GIF, I just based my knowledge on the manga. Brotherhood is allowed which I think the GIF is from.


    Bradley speed calc:
    www.gfycat.com/ThirdMelodicKangaroo
    A note: Bradley may look much faster than the bullets are, but keep in mind you are watching the bullet travel from you to him while Bradley moves side to side which is a more directly translated speed.
    Using www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikx2_cA0KU8#t=56 as reference, Bradley is ~ 20 feet or 6.5 meters away(estimation) from the shooters.

    If they are rifle rounds 7.62x51mm NATO: 833m/s ~mach2.5
    Again more estimation:
    Bradley moves about .5 meter each side to dodge each bullet.
    Bradley moves 1/5 of the way forward with each dodge. (4 meters)
    So in total he moves sqrt(.5^2+4^2)=4.0311m each dodge.
    The first bullet takes about 1 second to travel to Bradley before he dodges. So in frame it’s 20 m/s.
    Bradley finishes each of his dodges in about 1/3 of a second. In frame 4.0311/.3333=12.0933 m/s

    To get factor of slow down speed:
    833 m/s / 20m/s = 41.65x
    12.0933m/s*41.65=503.685945 m/s
    Bradley is moving ~mach 1.5 in his bursts.



    So no there really isn’t a big difference.
    King Bradley can use bursts of speed.
    Captain America can too.


    Redo of Red Skull firing at Captain America calc because it turns out Captain America is right next to Red Skull as he fires:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/7604/1124174-834190_avengers_v3_69___red_zone_05___the_great_escape___17_super.jpg

    You see Captain America’s shield outline right next to Red Skull as he fires. This means the person he protects is to his left, at pretty much the same distance as from Red Skull firing his revolver.
    Red Skull fires a revolver, probably of WW2 era:
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895
    Bullet velocity = 327 m/s
    So this means Captain America moves at least this speed to block the bullets in time. He also isn’t moving at the time Red Skull fires his revolver as it is pretty much in the same position as it was after Cap hit Red Skull.


    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/103165/2265633-ca14016zs1.jpg
    ~2 meters away
    Gun looks like:
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_M9
    bullet velocity is 381 m/s
    2/381=0.005249s
    He can calculate a complicated path for his shield throw, dodge, and throw in that time frame.


    img329.imageshack.us/img329/269/ca17015lw0.jpg
    Captain America throws his shield at bullets fire at him which was also calculated to ricochet off a person and hit another.
    Captain America is not the only one with extraordinary accuracy and precision.



    “Whereas Bradley can move 4 or 5 times the speed of sound… for an entire fight…”

    Proof. Just because he dodges bullets fired at him does not mean he is always running at supersonic speeds. He is also moving at this speed in short bursts, for an entire fight. Just as Captain America and pretty much every other super human/person that has much slower running speed than their short burst speeds/reaction times.


    “He was able to raise a shield, big whoop.
    Bradley can move circles around Cap and stab him a dozen different places in the same time frame.”

    What I meant is that Captain America would be striking and defending at supersonic speeds. Just as Bradley would be slashing at those speeds. Moving and throwing a shield at those speeds while calculating certain trajectories for it to take is not a big whoop.
    They have similar movement speeds, with Bradley having the slight speed and range advantage with his swords while Captain America would have the better and wider defense with his shield.
    King Bradley can start blitzing and stabbing someone multiple times when he is more than twice as fast as whoever he is facing. Otherwise the other person can react, just as other characters in FMA who can face him can.
    And just so you know, it is not the first time Captain America has faced a faster opponent (although I’m not knowledgeable enough to point out specific examples; Ironman is probably one).


    “1. Cap raises shield in his short burst of speed.
    2. Bradley moved behind him and decapitates.”

    Capt beams his shield
    Bradley dodges and rushes
    The shield ricochets back at Bradley
    Bradley dodges
    Capt catches shield behind Bradley

    and more.
    As I’m not certain of exactly how this match will turn out.

  71. Ragnorke October 9, 2014 at 8:25 pm -      #71

    ” Bradley is ~ 20 feet or 6.5 meters away(estimation) from the shooters.”

    But he doesn’t actually start moving until the bullets are right next to his face.
    He doesn’t start moving when the bullets leave the barrel, he starts moving JUST in time to dodge the bullet.
    Which makes it a much more impressive feat, considering he can dodge bullets at nearly point blank, 3 times, without putting any effort into it. Something the Captain can’t hope to do.

    “The first bullet takes about 1 second to travel to Bradley before he dodges. So in frame it’s 20 m/s.
    Bradley finishes each of his dodges in about 1/3 of a second. In frame 4.0311/.3333=12.0933 m/s”

    This entire calculation is wrong.
    The scenes we see are slowed down, for us to see the bullets and Bradley dodging them.
    You’re trying to downgrade Bradley, when he’s FAR superior to Cap.

    “So no there really isn’t a big difference.
    King Bradley can use bursts of speed.
    Captain America can too.”

    1. Your calcs aren’t really valid, for the 2 reasons i pointed above.
    2. Bradley doesn’t use “bursts” of speed, he can CONSISTENTLY fight and move at that speed for prolonged periods of time… which is something Cap CANNOT keep up with.

    “Proof. Just because he dodges bullets fired at him does not mean he is always running at supersonic speeds”

    Did you really bother looking at all the gifs?

    He dodges machine fun fire from at least 5 different people, while running towards them, and kills them all in the blink of an eye.
    HOW on earth can you say that isn’t out of Caps league?
    When have we EVER seen Cap move anywhere near that fast for over a second?
    And when have we EVER seen Cap move his ENTIRE body and FIGHT with PRECISION at speeds like that?

    “What I meant is that Captain America would be striking and defending at supersonic speeds”

    He was able to raise his shield that fast, correct, but that doesn”t mean he can REACT that fast.
    He had more time to react, due to “aim-dodging”, he knew what he had to do before he started the action.

    Also, Who the fuck cares if Captain America can punch or raise a shield at Supersonic speeds?
    Bradley can move his ENTIRE body MUCH faster.
    Why aren’t you getting that?

    “They have similar movement speeds, with Bradley having the slight speed and range advantage”

    You’re ignoring an extraordinary amount of detail when it comes to Bradley, and wanking the shit out of Cap.
    I dare you to find me a scan of Cap dodging machine fun fire from multiple different sources.
    Heck… i dare you to find me a scan of Cap dodging machine gun fire from ONE source.
    And keep in mind, DODGING EACH individual bullet and blocking them all with a steady shield… Big fucking difference

    There is a BIG different between blocking with a shield, and cutting/deflecting EACH BULLET with a sword.
    One requires A LOT more speed than the other, i’ll let you guess which.
    I really don’t understand why you never take that into account.

    “And just so you know, it is not the first time Captain America has faced a faster opponent ”

    He’s never faced anyone as fast as Bradley and won.
    Now give Bradley 2 swords… and this is a roflstomp.

    “Otherwise the other person can react, just as other characters in FMA who can face him can.”

    But Cap cannot.

    “Capt beams his shield
    Bradley dodges and rushes
    The shield ricochets back at Bradley
    Bradley dodges
    Capt catches shield behind Bradley”

    You see, there’s the problem…
    You wrote “Bradley dodges and rushes”
    And then followed up with “The shield ricochets back at Bradley”
    There’s a big problem there… know what it is? You’re fucking ignoring Bradleys speed again.

  72. Commander Cross October 9, 2014 at 8:40 pm -      #72

    I say the main reason this matter can still go either way is due to the Boxing, one of these days I’ll look for fan-art of Captain America in Boxing just for lols.

    I might have a fight with Bradley in mind at some point.

  73. Ragnorke October 9, 2014 at 8:51 pm -      #73

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDlG32PFHtA
    vs
    quantumkonar.deviantart.com/art/Fuhrer-487245397?ga_submit_new=10%253A1412808868

  74. Commander Cross October 9, 2014 at 9:13 pm -      #74

    @Ragnorke at #73

    The vid is of MCU Captain America, who might not be the ‘stated’ version of Cap being used in here, but even I gotta admit that’s actually bloody impressive to say the least.

    I hope to have every reason to report that this fight’s about 50/50 at the moment or I will be very sad.

  75. Tarbel October 10, 2014 at 1:11 am -      #75

    Son of a bitch lost my post -.-


    Basically I did a miscalc. But Ragnorke you did not comprehend my calc correctly. Those speeds you quote are the speeds in the GIF, not the actual speeds which I do state directly below that.


    Bradley calc redo:
    used 20m instead of 20 feet for the distance between Bradley and the shooters which is 6.5meters.
    Bradley moves about .5 meter each side to dodge each bullet.
    Bradley moves 1/5 of the way forward with each dodge. (6.5/5= 1.3meters)
    So in total he moves sqrt(.5^2+1.3^2)=1.393m each dodge.
    The first bullet takes about 1 second to travel to Bradley before he dodges. So IN FRAME it’s 6.5 m/s.
    Bradley finishes each of his dodges in about 1/3 of a second. IN FRAME SPEED 1.393/.3333=4.1785 m/s

    To get factor of slow down speed:
    ACTUAL BULLET SPEED/INFRAME BULLET SPEED
    833 m/s / 6.5m/s = 128.154X
    4.1785m/s*128.154=535.5 m/s
    Bradley is moving ~mach 1.5 in his bursts, just slightly faster than before.
    NOW PROVE THAT KING BRADLEY IS ALWAYS MOVING AND FIGHTING THIS FAST.
    Last time I checked, he had trouble running after a tank going in reverse.



    “He dodges machine fun fire from at least 5 different people, while running towards them, and kills them all in the blink of an eye.
    HOW on earth can you say that isn’t out of Caps league? When have we EVER seen Cap move anywhere near that fast for over a second?”


    As I have already calced, the speed required for that is on par with speeds which Cap has shown as I had JUST calced and you IGNORED.

    “When have we EVER seen Cap move anywhere near that fast for over a second?”

    Show me when King Bradley has. Last I saw, he had trouble catching up to a tank in reverse.


    “And when have we EVER seen Cap move his ENTIRE body and FIGHT with PRECISION at speeds like that?”

    When I show you examples, it makes sense to take a look at them:
    Moving his ENTIRE body 5 meters away, FASTER than bullets that have already been fired to block them.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/7604/1124174-834190_avengers_v3_69___red_zone_05___the_great_escape___17_super.jpg
    He precisely dodges a bullet and throws his shield at the same time in a path which bounces and hits an enemy in the back at the same time AFTER the enemy opens fire.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/103165/2265633-ca14016zs1.jpg
    MOST his upper body moves at speeds over Mach 2 to beam his shield, at that speed, precisely at an intercontinental ballistic missile over a kilometer away to free the shackles holding someone on top of it.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/45351/2228761-s3jp4.jpg
    Deflecting bullets by throwing his shield at them AFTER they have been fired midflight, having already calculated the shield’s trajectory to hit two people.
    img329.imageshack.us/img329/269/ca17015lw0.jpg



    “There is a BIG different between blocking with a shield, and cutting/deflecting EACH BULLET with a sword.
    One requires A LOT more speed than the other, i’ll let you guess which.
    I really don’t understand why you never take that into account.”

    Not really when you are throwing the shield sideways at 3 bullets already fired at you.
    And I know the cut/deflecting bullet scene for Bradley you are talking about, where he is running after the tank and cut/deflecting the bullets by putting the sword in front of his face at the right time. He is barely moving his sword and has an enormous amount of time to react considering he is staring at the guy shooting and has precog. You don’t have much time to react when a bullet has already left the barrel, and that is the time frame in which Cap does act in, several times.
    You need to get your logic right, using the actual examples and not just a run of the mill “which is faster, blocking bullets with a shield or cutting bullets” bullshit.



    “You’re ignoring an extraordinary amount of detail when it comes to Bradley, and wanking the shit out of Cap.”

    Excuse me. I believe that is what you are doing with Cap and Bradley.
    All you have been doing is touting Bradley’s speed without actually proving it. Bullets have different speeds. People can casually dodge bullets without being massively supersonic. Being massively supersonic does not mean you are supersonic at all times. Fighting bullet timers does not make you supersonic at all times because of my latter point.



    And then let me guess. You are going to refer to bad examples of Bradley’s ‘superior’ speed, poorly debunk or ignore calcs because of miscomprehension, and make more claims based on your bad examples without going through ANY detail as I’ve done.

    And now I’ve taken a look at all the gifs you posted and can confirm nothing else besides the actual bullet dodging is showing Bradley fighting constantly at supersonic speeds.

  76. TheSorrow October 10, 2014 at 1:59 am -      #76

    Disregarding the debate over his speed, is there any counter to King Bradley’s Ultimate Eye as of yet?

  77. Warlock Lowk October 10, 2014 at 2:31 am -      #77

    According to the translation of the sound effect being made in the scene, Bradley is slashing the automatic fire being rained down on him.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119340/3283991-3427694603-n28.j.jpg

  78. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 10, 2014 at 2:46 am -      #78

    “Disregarding the debate over his speed, is there any counter to King Bradley’s Ultimate Eye as of yet?”

    I’d assume that even with the precog if Cap is faster than it wouldn’t come too much into play. Unless he isn’t always using the precog and in the feats Tarbel calced he isn’t using the precog.
    =
    Since Steve is now an old man, and Falcon is current Cap, shouldn’t we use Captain Falcon?

  79. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 10, 2014 at 4:02 am -      #79

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY GRAVATAR CHANGED!!!!!!!

  80. Ragnorke October 10, 2014 at 7:56 am -      #80

    “And then let me guess. You are going to refer to bad examples of Bradley’s ‘superior’ speed, poorly debunk or ignore calcs because of miscomprehension, and make more claims based on your bad examples without going through ANY detail as I’ve done.”

    Ok, lets go into detail.

  81. Ragnorke October 10, 2014 at 7:59 am -      #81

    “Bradley calc redo:
    used 20m instead of 20 feet for the distance between Bradley and the shooters which is 6.5meters.”

    Bullshit.
    www.gfycat.com/ThirdMelodicKangaroo
    It shows absolutely nothing about how far away Bradley was. At all. Not in the slightest.
    Guns can fire up to hundreds of meters away, therefore everything else related to this Calc is bullshit.

    “Bradley moves 1/5 of the way forward with each dodge. (6.5/5= 1.3meters)”

    How the fuck do you know this?
    If you’re basing it solely on visual evidence, i disagree because you can’t see his feet, nor can you see the background since it’s blurred out. You have no idea what those distances are.

  82. Ragnorke October 10, 2014 at 8:09 am -      #82

    “And I know the cut/deflecting bullet scene for Bradley you are talking about, where he is running after the tank and cut/deflecting the bullets by putting the sword in front of his face at the right time. He is barely moving his sword”

    gfycat.com/WhiteGleamingGoat#
    He very clearly adjusts his sword each time 45-135 degrees, to precisely deflect each bullet.

  83. Ragnorke October 10, 2014 at 8:11 am -      #83

    “NOW PROVE THAT KING BRADLEY IS ALWAYS MOVING AND FIGHTING THIS FAST.”

    Oh i’m not saying ALWAYS moves at that speed, but he is PROVEN to move that fast longer than Cap is.
    Since you know, moving at that speed to deflect hundreds of bullets > moving at that speed to deflect a couple.

  84. Ragnorke October 10, 2014 at 8:24 am -      #84

    “Moving his ENTIRE body 5 meters away, FASTER than bullets that have already been fired to block them.”

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/7604/1124174-834190_avengers_v3_69___red_zone_05___the_great_escape___17_super.jpg

    Where are you getting this 5 meter bullshit?
    We see RS fire the shots, and we can only see up to half a meter to either side.
    Why couldn’t cap have been half a meter away, already accelerating/running at his max speed, and already had his shield raised and prepared… when the shots were fired?
    You’re ASSUMING he was 5 meters away, completely still, with his shield down… Why exactly?

  85. Ragnorke October 10, 2014 at 8:28 am -      #85

    “He precisely dodges a bullet and throws his shield at the same time in a path which bounces and hits an enemy in the back at the same time AFTER the enemy opens fire.”

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/103165/2265633-ca14016zs1.jpg

    He dodges one bullet, which is a pistol bullet btw (slower than rifles), and this my friend is what we call aim-dodging.
    He clearly saw the WS raise and point his gun, and thus started to react accordingly.

    Even if it wasn’t aim-dodging, which it definitely seems like it was… He was about 2 meters away from the WS.

    Bradley on the other hand, we SEE dodging bullets which are only a few inches away from his face… THREE times!

    No…? You don’t see any difference?

  86. Ragnorke October 10, 2014 at 8:32 am -      #86

    “Deflecting bullets by throwing his shield at them AFTER they have been fired midflight, having already calculated the shield’s trajectory to hit two people.”

    img329.imageshack.us/img329/269/ca17015lw0.jpg

    How the fuck do you know it was “AFTER”?
    I see the shield already thrown… and i the bullets hitting it…
    How does this imply the shield was thrown after the bullets were fired?
    Why couldn’t Cap have “aim-dodged”, and thrown his shield accordingly, BEFORE the bullets were fired?

    Oh, you can’t prove that? ok then.

  87. Ragnorke October 10, 2014 at 8:38 am -      #87

    “Not really when you are throwing the shield sideways at 3 bullets already fired at you.”

    You can’t prove this.

    ” You don’t have much time to react when a bullet has already left the barrel, and that is the time frame in which Cap does act in, several times.”

    No, Cap doesn’t do this a single time.
    In the RS scene, he could already have been moving and could already have prepared his shield, a mere meter away.
    In the WS scene, he aim-dodged.
    In the 3 random bullets scene, there’s no proof of him reacting after the bullets were already fired.

    You know who ACTUALLY does this several times? Bradley.
    He dodges bullets mere inches away from his face.

  88. Zazax October 10, 2014 at 8:41 am -      #88

    Holy octuple post, Batman!

  89. Ragnorke October 10, 2014 at 8:41 am -      #89

    “Show me when King Bradley has. Last I saw, he had trouble catching up to a tank in reverse.”

    Because
    1. He was deflecting multiple bullets from a 50 cal with a sword.
    2. He killed a room full of about 20 armed soldiers, in the middle of his “chase”
    3. He was dodging yet another barrage of bullets from the tank.

    Let me know when Cap can dodge more than one bullet buddy.

  90. Ragnorke October 10, 2014 at 8:45 am -      #90

    Captain Americas “bursts” of speed literally consist of nothing but a simple movement of his upper body or arm.
    And in one case, he dashed forward with his shield infront of an ally.

    None of those are complex movements whatsoever, and none of those feats prove Cap can FIGHT anywhere near those speeds, other than perhaps letting out a single punch.

    Can you prove he’s capable of TURNING at those speeds? and CHANGING DIRECTION at those speeds?
    Of course you can’t, because he never has.

    For fucks sake, you can’t even prove he’s capable of reacting at those speeds, since every example posted can be countered with: AIM-DODGING

  91. Ragnorke October 10, 2014 at 11:24 am -      #91

    And before you even try to say Bradley only moves fast in short bursts as well..
    Their “short burtsts” are COMPLETELY different.

    As i said earlier, Caps bursts consist of SINGLE movements.
    Whether it be a punch, raising a shield, or lunging/dashing at a certain direction. SINGLE motions.

    Cap can’t twist & turn, nor can he change direction, nor can consistently dodge more than one bullet at that speed (since you can’t aim dodge multiple projectiles)

    Bradley on the other hand, killed a room full of armed people (atleast 20 soldiers were in the room, atleast half of them were dead by the time Bradley left) in less than a SECOND.
    Keep in mind they were spread out across the room and not in single file.

    That obviously required plenty of changing directions, repositioning, and precision striking with his sword… NONE STOP for a second, until everyone around him was dead.
    Meanwhile, Captain America would have been able to make ONE fast movement. Whether it be a throw of his shield, a punch, or a dash.

    Captain America CANNOT kill a room full of spread out people, in melee range, in a second. Because he can’t keep his speed up that consistently.
    That’s the difference. Yes, they both use BURSTS of speed….
    But Bradleys bursts allow him to move around and kill everyone with swords, whereas Caps burst allows him to make ONE movement.

    And back to the Red Skull feat,
    He literally just lunged infront of the target. Meaning he used his leg muscles to dash forward.
    Whereas Bradley can actually RUN at that speed.

    The different isn’t a small one, it’s a massive one.
    Bradley out performs Captain in every shape & form when it comes to speed, and is completely out of his league.

  92. wingedlion October 10, 2014 at 11:31 am -      #92

    “Let me know when Cap can dodge more than one bullet buddy.”

    imageshack.com/i/28whatnoshieldjd6j

  93. Ragnorke October 10, 2014 at 12:18 pm -      #93

    @wingedlion
    Did you really just post that?
    How on earth is that dodging? He raised his shield, and it deflected the barrage of bullets.

    Dodging = Moving your body in order to avoid the bullet.

    There’s a very obvious difference between the two when discussing movement & reaction speed.

  94. wingedlion October 10, 2014 at 12:24 pm -      #94

    @ragnorke
    “Did you really just post that?
    How on earth is that dodging? He raised his shield, and it deflected the barrage of bullets.”

    this tells me you did not look at the entire thing. so i’m going to give you a chance to look at it again. specifically when the throws the shield and is still dodging the bullets.

  95. Ragnorke October 10, 2014 at 12:34 pm -      #95

    @Wingedlion
    Oh snap, that’s actually very impressive. By far the best feat as of yet.

    But can he fight at that speed?
    The thing about bullets is that they don’t change direction half way through.

  96. Jake_Uzumaki October 10, 2014 at 2:30 pm -      #96

    well he’s advanced on Gunmen through barrages of gunfire,
    img151.imageshack.us/img151/7605/captainamerica34912bw1.jpg
    blocked the initial shots because he saw the shadow and proceeds to weave through the rest of the bullets blocking the ones he has to

    another example taking out one guy then leaping away between bullets. Or at least it seems like he’s leaping between them.
    img329.imageshack.us/img329/4099/captainamerica34910wn5.jpg

    Dodges a basically pointblank double barrel shotgun blast according to the narration in this scene that was fired as he entered the doorway.
    img144.imageshack.us/img144/6139/captainamerica253p04fw3.jpg

  97. Ragnorke October 10, 2014 at 2:45 pm -      #97

    These new feats of Cap are A LOT better, and clearly show him capable of dodging multiple bullets without “too much” Aim-Dodging.
    He still seems to utilise his shield a lot, but the scan posted by Wingedlion proves that he doesn’t necessarily need it.

    The problem is, even with these new feats, his combat speed is still SLIGHTLY inferior to Bradley.
    And his running speed is still vastly inferior.

    Add on to that the fact that Bradley has precog, and 2 swords which can cut the Captain into little tiny pieces… and i really don’t see Cap winning.

    It isn’t a stomp anymore though, i just don’t see how Cap would ever get a hit on Bradley.
    Whereas Bradley only needs one good swing… Which would be pretty fucking easy considering he’s faster and has precog.

  98. Commander Cross October 10, 2014 at 2:57 pm -      #98

    So Round 01 is a lot less bleak than first glances implied, correct?
    This fight can call itself blessed then.

  99. Jake_Uzumaki October 10, 2014 at 3:15 pm -      #99

    He is faster and more agile than an Atlantean.
    img214.imageshack.us/img214/7503/captainamericavol411p07ae7.jpg

  100. Tarbel October 14, 2014 at 3:30 pm -      #100

    @Ragnorke

    Post #81
    Great job. Take a look back at my Post #70 where I state a video as reference to my estimate.
    And I have no idea why you would say guns can fire hundreds of meters away when they are being shot less than 10 meters away at Bradley.

    Bradley has a starting point, estimated to be 6.5 meters away. He dodges 4 bullets before getting to the point where the bullets have been fired and killing the firers. After the last dodge he moves forward once more to slash them. I average the distance moved to be 1/5th of the distance each so after the fifth move, he is at the shooters point. We clearly see him move side to side ~.5 meter and we can get the forward distance by using the best estimate of 1/5th the total distance (estimated to be 6.5 meters=20feet).

    Just a note. Everything you have been saying is solely based on visual evidence. So you have even less right than me to establish a speed for Bradley since I actually provide a basis for it.


    Post #82
    Does it matter if he is moving his sword “precisely”? He has near instant reaction time (although proven not instant because he has been tagged by slower enemies) because of his eye. He has much more time to position his sword any way he wants because of this.
    And because he doesn’t move a particularly long distance in that time frame, he is not moving very fast to deflect each bullet. It is more a feat of reaction time and precision rather than any actual speed (compared to his other speed feats).


    Post #83
    Proven? Then, please restate that proof. I will state my counter argument for it.
    Hundreds? Please stop exaggerating.
    gfycat.com/WhiteGleamingGoat
    7-8 bullets deflected. Not all bullets fired by the machine gun are on target. And we only see that much hit before the tank fires its cannon.


    Post #84
    I believe it is reasonable to estimate that distance to be ~5 meters (where Red Skull goes blam blam blam in the middle left).
    But even than, that distance shouldn’t matter much because Captain America MUST travel faster than the bullet to block it.
    Let’s say Captain America was max speed max acceleration, blah. Red Skull fires his bullets at a certain distance, x, away from a target. Captain America is near Red Skull (notice the outline of his shield in the middle left) and therefore is about the same certain distance, x, away from the target. Those bullets travel that certain distance in a certain amount of time. That means Captain America must travel that certain distance slightly faster than that amount of time in order to block those bullets. Knowing that those bullets travel ~327 m/s, Captain America has to travel faster.
    So even if Captain America was travelling at the speed of light before the bullets were fired, his minimum speed for blocking those bullets is still more than ~327 m/s.
    The reason I would say Captain America wasn’t moving while the bullets were fired is that his shield was completely stationary and right next to Red Skull. If he was at a high velocity then he would already be further along the distance to the target, and that’s not the case. No matter what you say, Captain America moved his entire body that fast.


    Post #85
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/103165/2265633-ca14016zs1.jpg
    This isn’t aim dodging. The bullet was fired (you see the flash?) while Captain America was stationary. This clearly shows Captain America dodging a point blank bullet and throwing his shield at the same time with a calculated trajectory. I don’t know how you can possibly say otherwise.

    I also literally say that bullets have different speeds in my last post, so I know this.
    I agree, there is a difference in speed. But it isn’t as massive as you make it out to be. Also, the only thing Bradley is doing is dodging bullets. Captain America on the other hand is dodging a bullet AND throwing his shield with a complicated trajectory in that time frame.
    He does this (refer Post #70) in 5 milliseconds.
    Bradley dodges a bullet in 1.3meters/535.5 m/s = 2.4 milliseconds.
    I wouldn’t say that Bradley is blitzing Captain America with this difference, especially given the tasks in mind.


    Post #86
    img329.imageshack.us/img329/269/ca17015lw0.jpg
    This I concede is aim dodging, my mistake.


    Post #89
    1. You don’t need to be supersonic to do that.
    With his reaction time, he doesn’t even need to move at the speed of sound to achieve that. That can be done because you just need to move in time for the next bullet fired.
    Also I think only the US had the .50 cals for their M2 Browning which was mainly for anti-aircraft. That gun was most likely a MG34 with a fire rate of 1700 rpm = 28.33 rps. This means he has about 1/28.33=.036 seconds to block each successive bullet. Again this doesn’t matter though because of near instant reaction time due to Bradley’s eye.

    2. You don’t need to move supersonic to do that.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103165/2309025-captain_america_speed.jpg
    i.imgur.com/WxKgJWZ.jpg

    3. You don’t need to be supersonic to do that.
    And let’s see Captain America do the equivalent:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/61327/1433943-a7gi2.jpg
    www.google.com/search?q=captain+america+speed+blitz&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=633&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=62Y9VJuwHcX3yQTaioGYDw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=2wMO-wvsq3R0YM%253A%3BtOW_f-YqdEKY8M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fmedia.animevice.com%252Fuploads%252F4%252F42924%252F789337-6_super.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.animevice.com%252Fforums%252Fbattles%252F33%252Fcaptain-america-vs-master-cheif-vs-deathstroke-vs-king-bradley%252F350090%252F%253Fpage%253D3%3B463%3B333
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/118094/2294958-a4zd3.jpg

    He always dodges more than 1 bullet. Always. What I try to bring to the table is the quantifiable and higher end speed for Captain Americas as well as King Bradley. And the inch close bullet dodging to the face is the highest for King Bradley, the other stuff not even close.


    Post #90
    The only movement Bradley has shown is dodging bullets at mach mach 1.6 in a linear way each time in short bursts. He also cut a tank shell in half at shot by what looks to be a Panzer III.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_III
    It’s only measured main armament speed is the 75 mm tank gun (which judging by the size of the shell in the GIF seems apt) which flies at 385 m/s. Again, Bradley only needs to move his sword in the shell’s path and slice because of his eye.
    No other feat you have posted is even close to that.

    Dodging in a linearly pattern is not a complex movement. Putting a sword in front of projectile is not a complex movement. However, throwing a shield with a trajectory which bounces off multiple obstacles to hit a target is.
    I think it’s safe to assume (for both combatants) that if you can move and make an action at a certain speed, you can practically fight at that speed. And this is taking into account that both combatants do not always move at those speeds.

    Can you prove any of these for Bradley?

    And no, not every example. Meanwhile you attribute every moment which Bradley dodges/deflects a bullet to being an actual dodge when many can be aim dodged.


    Post #91
    “Bradley on the other hand, killed a room full of armed people (atleast 20 soldiers were in the room, atleast half of them were dead by the time Bradley left) in less than a SECOND.
    Keep in mind they were spread out across the room and not in single file.”

    I don’t know where you are pulling this from. If you are talking about the tank scene:
    gfycat.com/WhiteGleamingGoat
    8 people down, possibly one slash, all in his path and within range of his sword. 0 complex movement.

    Bradley can run at that speed (sound)? When he has trouble chasing down a tank that has a maximum speed of 26 mph.



    I say the prediction from my last post, for the most part is right.



    imageshack.com/i/28whatnoshieldjd6j
    This feat is no different than this feat:
    img329.imageshack.us/img329/269/ca17015lw0.jpg



    img329.imageshack.us/img329/4099/captainamerica34910wn5.jpg
    Can be attributed to aim dodge



    img144.imageshack.us/img144/6139/captainamerica253p04fw3.jpg
    This feat refers to the speed of the guy shooting the gun:
    “But as fast as the gunman is, his action is much too slow!”



    Really, you guys still don’t understand what aim dodging is.
    And just to reiterate:
    King Bradley only actually dodges/shows supersonic movement speed during the GIF where bullets move slow mo, and the tank shell cutting in slow mo where his arm/sword may have been moving supersonic.
    Every other feat can be done with good reaction time.
    Captain America actually dodges/shows supersonic movement in:
    -The Red Skull firing and him blocking
    -Dodging bullet and throwing shield at the same time point blank.
    -Throwing his shield to free Falcon from a missile.
    Every other feat can be done with good reaction time.

    The point:
    I calced King Bradley to be Mach 1.6 ish in that instance for full body movement bullet dodge.
    I calced Captain America to be Mach 1 ish in those instances.
    Just to be solid:
    Red skull fire is full body movement of Mach 1.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/103165/2265633-ca14016zs1.jpg
    Captain America twists his body to dodge and readies his shield in .00525 seconds. Assuming the bullet traveled 10 meters behind Captain America at the middle left scene, then Cap thinks up of a trajectory for his shield and throws it in 10meters/381 m/s + .00525 s = 0.0315 seconds.
    The Falcon freeing throw is over Mach 2.


    King Bradley is therefore not capable of blitzing Captain America even if we establish blitzing speed to be as low as twice the speed of the one being blitzed.

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