What If…Link & Cloud Strife Kissed?

What If...Link & Cloud Strife Kissed?

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Scenario: the entire casts of Final Fantasy VII and The Legend of Zelda are having a house party to celebrate Cloud and Link‘s victory over Kratos and Dante and everyone is having a blast. All of a sudden, Cupid decides to have some fun and makes the two RPG heroe slightly amorous towards each other and…well….They (passionately) kiss in front of everyone.

1: How do Tifa and Zelda react? (Composite Link and Zelda: every bit of contact they ever had in every game is taken into consideration).
2: How do Ganondorf and Sephiroth react?
3: How do Dante and Kratos react?
4: How does EVERYONE else who’s ever been in either of their games react?
5: The magic wears off, how do Cloud and Link react?
6: The magic doesn’t wear off, will a relationship work between the two heroes?

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134 Comments on "What If…Link & Cloud Strife Kissed?"

  1. Sauroposeidon October 7, 2014 at 6:48 am -      #1

    I would laugh. So hard. I’d feel bad for Link, sure, but I would parade that scenario through as many die hard FF7 fangirls as I can.

  2. Cole October 7, 2014 at 7:04 am -      #2

    @Sauroposeidon nothing would bring me more joy than for you to do that. Don’t get me wrong I don’t mind me some romance once in a while but it’s suffocating the FF7 branch of Fanfiction. net

  3. pimpmage October 7, 2014 at 7:21 am -      #3

    da fuq

  4. Sauroposeidon October 7, 2014 at 7:25 am -      #4

    So tired of all the love Cloud gets. I’d shove this in their faces and be all like “HE KISSED AN ELF! AN ELLLLLFFFF!” and life would be good.

  5. mack006 October 7, 2014 at 7:43 am -      #5

    A ripe in space time quantum appears and swallows the solar system into a alternative dimension. Then Cloud and Link would engage in gay buttsecks with Zelda and Tifa cheering them on. Ganandolf would then puke so hard he ends up flying to the moon. Sephiroth suicides, decapitating himself with his sword. Dante and Kratos are horrified at first but realise how much they love each other and procede to join the couple. Zelda and Tifa gets so turned on they also decide to join in the orgy. The squirming and humping of naked bodies fuse together into one being, an eldritch abomination of lust and sex. The abomination breaks out of the other dimension and goes on a rampage, raping and assimilating others into its mass. Finally it got so bad that the Prescence, TOAA and Azathoth team up to destroy this mistake of nature.
    The end

  6. Zazax October 7, 2014 at 7:45 am -      #6

    I can honestly say this is not what I was expecting when I saw there was a new match.

    “I’d shove this in their faces and be all like “HE KISSED AN ELF! AN ELLLLLFFFF!””
    Frankly I don’t see the problem. I was under the impression that the entire point of Elves was to be prettier than they had any right to be.
    And I’m not sure if this would have the effect you’re hoping for, Sauro. If anything, it would likely only spawn many, many more fanfics from said fangrls.

  7. Ragnorke October 7, 2014 at 8:02 am -      #7

    ……..*grabs lube & tissues*

  8. Mike October 7, 2014 at 8:12 am -      #8

    How is this a debate or even a what if. Discussing fantasy characters has always been about their skills or powes. This is just wrong. Idc if some liberal cries sexual discrimination because this isn’t about that at all. This is about a subject being in a place where it has absolutely no business. Wanna talk about homosexuality? Do it where the subject pertains to the sites description. New low admin. New low and am not happy.

  9. Jake_Uzumaki October 7, 2014 at 8:17 am -      #9

    Not sure which of these best describes this thread so posting all.
    community.o2online.ie/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/1000i59BA869AA59ABF2B?v=mpbl-1

    img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130730080504/cardfight/images/2/26/600px-UnicronFacepalm.jpg

    fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/318/5/3/superhero_facepalm_by_thesaberfan64-d6u77dt.jpg

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60791/1884882-scathan_the_approver_wallthing_by_darcin.jpg

  10. Namer October 7, 2014 at 8:21 am -      #10


    .
    Uh.
    .
    @Mike,
    Sometimes we need something that’s not for the intellect but rather just for the lols and wtfness.

  11. Mike October 7, 2014 at 8:27 am -      #11

    @Namer
    This is not a shock and awe site. If it was I’d expect to see blue waffles floating around. If this is really the pc path that this site is going then count me out. This pointless dribble has no place here; or at least it used to not. I hope I didn’t help save this site so it could become a debating site for fictional characters hooking up with others.

  12. Ragnorke October 7, 2014 at 8:46 am -      #12

    Yea I’m with Mike on this.
    I’m here to DEBATE or at least discuss topics which can potentially lead to a debate.
    Posts like this truly are a waste.

    Oh and.. the lube thing… that was a joke… I’m totally straight o.o

  13. mack006 October 7, 2014 at 8:59 am -      #13

    “I’m totally straight o.o”
    It’s ok, everyone has a kink Ragnorke, there is no need to be ashamed.

    Speaking of kink…
    It reminds me how my friends and I decided to check on our teacher’s Facebook pages for the lolz. Some of your teachers didn’t even have Facebook while others were so darn hard to find with a dull and very ordinary profile. That is until we found our english teacher…
    Oh my god, we found pictures of her POLE DANCING AND STRIPPING! I don’t think I could ever look at my teacher in the same way ever again. We all thought that she was a stoic no nonsense kind of lady who is strict but enforces our education for our sakes. Now… not so much. How the hell was this even possible? Is Facebook always like this? Thank goodness I don’t have an account.

    Never the less we just accepted these events and most of my friends agreed that everyone has kink. EVERYONE, NO EXCEPTIONS. So accept them on who they are and don’t judge them because of that.

    It is ok if you are bi or gay Rag, we still love you. Now if you excuse me, I am gonna go get my brain bleached.

  14. Private Khaos October 7, 2014 at 9:05 am -      #14

    What. The. Actual. Fuck. Is. This?

  15. Sauroposeidon October 7, 2014 at 9:18 am -      #15

    @mike

    You know full well that sometimes we just get shit that’s just for looking at or laughing at. A certain series of action figure based comics that run occasionally on this site exist just for it. I hate boring match ups more than stuff like this.

    Also, what the fuck is a pc path?

    ” or at least discuss topics which can potentially lead to a debate.”

    You asked for it *puts on a SJW costume*

    Guys it is literally like physical abuse to make light of homosexuality like this!

    *takes it off*

    There you guy. Debate away. Is it wrong to laugh at this?

  16. Ellie Williams October 7, 2014 at 9:19 am -      #16

    @mack006
    According to Xornell, Xander and I are kinky. And what the hell is this? I’d rather see 2 Girls 1 Cup again!

  17. admin October 7, 2014 at 9:28 am -      #17

    To Everyone – I let this post go live on the site since we’ve never had a topic like this before. Other posts suggested that lesbian activity might take place, but nothing like this. Like all things on this site, we throw it out there and see how you respond. While for me personally it’s not something that ever popped into my head until I read this, I also know that I am not representative of all the readers on the site.

    Also updated the Battle Requests page…

  18. Envoy October 7, 2014 at 9:31 am -      #18

    This is amazing.

  19. Mike October 7, 2014 at 9:32 am -      #19

    We’re those lesbian related posts direct questions about sexual relations between characters or were they as I suspect completely up to the reader?

  20. orber October 7, 2014 at 9:35 am -      #20

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xk7GGQNBrM

    Obligatory

  21. Mike October 7, 2014 at 9:36 am -      #21

    There is a difference between letting your audience imagine, compared to directly showing the nudity if you know what I mean.

  22. OberHerr October 7, 2014 at 9:40 am -      #22

    I kissed a elf and I liked it, the taste of his mute lips
    I kissed an elf just to try it, I hope Tifa don’t mind it
    It felt so wrong, it felt so right, don’t mean Tifa and Zelda are on tonight
    I kissed an elf and I liked it


    I’ll just leave this here….

  23. Glutinous-Bicarbonate October 7, 2014 at 9:55 am -      #23

    Eh, just depends on what stance their respective cultures take on homosexuality. The reactions could well range from virtually no reaction to vehement reproach. Being well, good guys, I imagine once the spell wore off, they’d laugh it off, albeit awkwardly perhaps, and move on. If the attraction is enforced, I haven’t got a clue. Never played FF, and don’t exactly have a profile of Link’s personality so I really couldn’t begin to say if they’d work as an item.

  24. OberHerr October 7, 2014 at 10:01 am -      #24

    Link would go back to being a Mary Sue.

  25. Rookie October 7, 2014 at 10:16 am -      #25

    @admin

    “Also updated the Battle Requests page…”

    Just tested it by suggesting something, seems like all working fine to me.

  26. admin October 7, 2014 at 10:22 am -      #26

    Thanks. I didn’t touch the functionality, just the wording on the page.

  27. Xornell October 7, 2014 at 11:01 am -      #27

    I’m gone for one week and this happens? I can’t tell if I’m disappoint because it happened, or disappoint because I thought it would happen sooner.

  28. Mea quidem sententia October 7, 2014 at 11:11 am -      #28

    Mack006’s first post had me tearing up!

  29. Warlock Lowk October 7, 2014 at 12:37 pm -      #29

    There are place in the internet. Dark place. Sites where light dare not travel. In these places there you will find that this probably already exist alongside stranger, weirder things. Cuz internet be crazy like dat.

  30. The Amazing Dualgunner October 7, 2014 at 2:18 pm -      #30

    Well then. This is…interesting. I’ve always paired Cloud with Lightning, personally, or at least Cloud x Squall. (Even Cloud x Sora makes more sense >///>)

    That said, this is a hilarious topic XD

  31. Warlock Lowk October 7, 2014 at 2:34 pm -      #31

    Does this make up for the mud wrestling match? Because a kiss seems a little weak in comparison. Okay I’m going to take everyone on a mental exercise. Close your eyes and picture Link and Cloud. Now picture some mud…. You got that? Good, Now picture bikinis. Now Picture Cloud and Link in bikinis wrestling.
    Congrats you have just now envisioned an example of fanfiction. If you have a boner please consult your local slashfiction site or tumblr.

  32. Guardian Dualgunner M1911A1 October 7, 2014 at 2:38 pm -      #32

    “Good, Now picture bikinis. Now Picture Cloud and Link in bikinis wrestling.”
    Why bikinis? Men don’t need bras or a bikini top. Don’t dudes wear speedos? Or maybe just the bikini bottoms?

  33. OriginalA October 7, 2014 at 2:44 pm -      #33

    Composite Zelda probably starts channeling her inner Tetra and reasserts her dominance over Link by kissing him.

    Tifa… remains firmly planted friendzone and puts on a strong friendly smile while she dies a little inside knowing that Link has taken something that she will never get.

    Sephiroth uses this to further provoke Cloud’s own insecurities.

    Ganondorf laughs.

    Dante makes quip about them being gay.

    Kratos says nothing; being a Spartan, doesn’t find anything terribly out of place with this. He instead curses the gods for his lose in battle.

    Everyone is a lot… skip

    Link’s a pimp so he totally plays it off. Cloud begins to question his own sexuality, because that is an aspect of himself that he hasn’t fully resolved. Especially not since Aeris messed with it and forced him to wear a dress.

    If the magic doesn’t wear off… Link, as a general rule, isn’t into guys, but he seems to be a pretty open minded individual. The one time where he reacted poorly to a romantic situation that I can think of is when Adult OoT Link met Ruto in the Water Temple… at the same time this is effectively a 10 year old boy in a man’s body being met with his late-teens young adult wife-to-be that is very smitten with him and outgoing. … and she’s nude. So, yeah, I think Link wouldn’t be opposed to this on the condition that the magic opens his mind to the possibility.

    Cloud on the other hand… he’s insecure as hell. He found a lot of confidence in himself over the course of FF7, but his sexuality is one thing that he never really figured out… Unless you took the Tifa route during the game, but the Aeris route is Canon. Given that there are a lot of homosexually charged scenes in FF7 (including one where Cloud gets gang raped by a group of men), Cloud probably becomes Link’s bitch and in generally is kinda quite about the whole deal.

    @Admin:
    When I saw this at first I was like WTF? Then I saw the questions in the opening post and started to laugh. Whether this thread works out or dies; thanks for the laugh.

  34. Rhododendron October 7, 2014 at 3:12 pm -      #34

    Dang yaoi fangirls…
    ——-
    eh lets see:
    1.)tifa would probs cry while zeldas a REALLY jealous type… www.smashbros.com/images/character/zelda/screen-9.jpg
    2.)Gannon would probably not care then try and unite the triforce for himself. not sure for sephy
    3.) dante may make a snarky remark while kratos won’t care and try to get zelda and tifa on the rebond.
    4.)too many to write that all of. inb4 cloud gets attacked by every chick links ever met. ravio and hilda might be confused by this.
    5.)if they remember they will fight to the death with both armies of their verses. if not they will stare at everyone else and ask what happened first.
    6.) probably not well…long distance relationships hardly every work cross country, let alone from other universes.

  35. Numinous One October 7, 2014 at 4:44 pm -      #35

    “Tifa… remains firmly planted friendzone and puts on a strong friendly smile while she dies a little inside knowing that Link has taken something that she will never get.

    Sephiroth uses this to further provoke Cloud’s own insecurities”

    I approve of these outcomes, +1 for you.

  36. Alpha or Omega October 7, 2014 at 4:57 pm -      #36

    I can’t believe I wasted 1 hour thinking of something funny to say.

  37. Ragnorke October 7, 2014 at 5:20 pm -      #37

    “Sephiroth uses this to further provoke Cloud’s own insecurities”

    This made me laugh xD
    Seems accurate.

  38. Epicazeroth October 7, 2014 at 5:20 pm -      #38

    …Dafuq is this? Well, I’m already here so I guess I may as well.
    ===
    @Ober: “…Tifa and Zelda are on tonight”
    Assuming this means what I think it means: YES!
    ===
    @Dualgunner: “I’ve always paired Cloud with Lightning”
    Also YES.
    ===
    @Original: “including one where Cloud gets gang raped by a group of men”
    Err… I am clearly mistaken about the type of game FF is.

    Also, I agree with Numinous’ reply to your post.

  39. Envoy October 7, 2014 at 5:51 pm -      #39

    “Err… I am clearly mistaken about the type of game FF is.”
    +
    One of the best, apparently.

  40. Guardian Dualgunner M1911A1 October 7, 2014 at 7:03 pm -      #40

    “@Dualgunner: “I’ve always paired Cloud with Lightning”
    Also YES.”
    It always seemed like such a natural pairing XD

  41. Darth Bombad October 7, 2014 at 7:09 pm -      #41

    Hey i’m back so what i miss?……what in a wet barrel of Fu%#$ is this!?!
    …..errr o.k. so i see Kratos saying something along the lines of.

    “Why are those two girls kissing?” (Tifa whispers in his ear) “By the Gods!!!”

    On second thought that might just be My reaction. LoL!

  42. Ragnorke October 7, 2014 at 7:20 pm -      #42

    @Darth Bombad
    ““Why are those two girls kissing?” (Tifa whispers in his ear) “By the Gods!!!””

    Ok, this got the loudest laugh out of me yet.

  43. Rhododendron October 7, 2014 at 7:38 pm -      #43

    @Darth Bombad
    eh, clouds pretty feminine, but link? i guess if we use the upcoming one…
    —-
    @alpha
    come up with anything or is the joke the time you used?

  44. Ellie Williams October 7, 2014 at 7:48 pm -      #44

    What does kinky mean anyway? Xornell said that Xander and I were kinky. But Tifa and Zelda probably puke, Sephiroth waves his hair to try to attract Cloud, and Gannondorf waves his Hyrule Warriors hair to try to attract Link.

  45. Ragnorke October 7, 2014 at 7:52 pm -      #45

    @Ellie
    “What does kinky mean anyway?”

    If you were curious enough to ask this twice, why not just google it?

    Anyhow, it means:
    In human sexuality, kinkiness or kinky (adjective), is a term used to refer to a playful usage of sexual concepts which are overt, accentuated, unambiguously expressive of sexuality.
    The term “kink” has been claimed by some who practice sexual fetishism as a term or synonym for their practices, indicating a range of sexual and sexualistic practices from playful to objectifying and paraphilic.

  46. Rhododendron October 7, 2014 at 7:54 pm -      #46

    @Ellie Williams
    kink(sexuality)kinkiness or kinky:” is a term used to refer to a playful usage of sexual concepts which are overt, accentuated, unambiguously expressive of sexuality”-wikipedia
    ——
    ^uhh…it could be this?
    —–
    #greninja’d

  47. Guardian Dualgunner M1911A1 October 7, 2014 at 8:04 pm -      #47

    Sometimes I forget there are people younger than 18 years old on the internet. o-O

  48. Rhododendron October 7, 2014 at 8:08 pm -      #48

    @Guardian
    i though it was just a person RPing ellie from the last of us… thelastofus.wikia.com/wiki/Ellie

  49. Guardian Dualgunner M1911A1 October 7, 2014 at 8:12 pm -      #49

    Same here, but I recall her having said she was fifteen or so and going out with some dude on here. I dunno; maybe she’s just a really good roleplayer and the joke went over my head XD

  50. Rhododendron October 7, 2014 at 8:17 pm -      #50

    @Guardian
    ellies 14 at the end of the game according the wiki…and seemingly a lesbian in the games prequel(learn something new everyday 0-o)
    ——-
    yeah, I’m gonna assume they really are 15 but eh *shrug*

  51. Ragnorke October 7, 2014 at 8:19 pm -      #51

    Eh, as long as they can contribute.

  52. Rhododendron October 7, 2014 at 8:33 pm -      #52

    @Ragnorke
    good point, man we’re getting off topic…

  53. Commander Cross October 7, 2014 at 8:34 pm -      #53

    If y’all want contribution, check out the following links right here!

    Mostly due to this project, which spreads all over Deviantart and Tumblr if I had to say anything.

    The Deviantart branch if you ever go there.

    One of the branches in Tumblr for the Project.

    Look at these links and before you will be the person who will be interested in drawing this if anyone makes the request.

    Before that happens, there is a catch, but for future matches, we can use some of her art so long as we remember to show she drew the art in question.

  54. Ragnorke October 7, 2014 at 8:46 pm -      #54

    @Commander Cross
    …I have to say, that’s got to be the most random post of 2014 xD

  55. Commander Cross October 7, 2014 at 8:53 pm -      #55

    @Ragnorke at #54

    Click the links, otherwise you ain’t seen nothing yet.
    Nothing worth saying or seeing anyway.

    Like I said before, if anyone has to be hired to draw what this thread asks about, let it be SpazMuse, anyone less won’t cut it.

    __

    Really, go check the links please, it’s for a good cause.

    Besides, if anyone wanna go use art for future fights with N64!-Link or either Skulduggery Pleasant or Valkyrie Cain, I’d highly recommend using her art and making sure she’s credited for having drawn it in the first place.

  56. Aelfinn October 7, 2014 at 9:21 pm -      #56

    Turn and turn about? Fair play and all that?

    After the debacle that was the mud-wrestling competition, Admin, I approve. Well-played.

  57. Warlock Lowk October 7, 2014 at 9:41 pm -      #57

    “Why bikinis? Men don’t need bras or a bikini top. Don’t dudes wear speedos? Or maybe just the bikini bottoms?”

    Becasue that would draw everyones attention to their crotchs. Have you seen how much Cloud is overcompensating? No way he’d fill out a speedo. That’d just be embarrassing.

  58. Commander Cross October 7, 2014 at 9:47 pm -      #58

    @Warlock Lowk at #57

    I’ll be honest, the only over-compensation I’d see is ‘How do I know this Nutcase is Dead without a Big Blade to Slash or Stab him with!?’ or I take it that it’s not what everyone else meant.

    Either way, did you check out the links I posted?
    The only artist I know who’s capable of drawing the scenery, if asked.

    I tend to think in terms of Weaponry or the Armory most of the time, and like I said, the person in the link needs dire help ASAP.

  59. OriginalA October 7, 2014 at 10:15 pm -      #59

    Alpha or Omega said: “I can’t believe I wasted 1 hour thinking of something funny to say.”

    Now I’m bummed that I don’t get to read what you thought up.

    I said:
    “Everyone is a lot… skip”

    Midna: “Cloud, I’d say that you gotta show him who’s on top, but you are clearly a bottom. Just so you know, he’s a wild ride.”

    Navi: “Hey! Listen! Link, Cloud is really a guy. He’s not a girl. Hey! Link!?”

    Fi: “I calculate an 87% chance that this coupling will not result in successful reproduction.”

    Ruto: “GET AWAY FROM MY FIANCE! AND YOU! What do you think you’re doing, Link? First you make me wait seven years just to see you again, and now this! It’s like you’re not even putting any effort into our relationship.”

    Rusl: “I didn’t bring up that boy for him to turn into this kind of a man.”

    Nabooru: “Hmm! Have you two ever heard of the term: ‘spit roast’? No? Here, let me show you.”

    Groose: “So, Zelda, seems like Link isn’t all that interested in you anymore.”

    That’s all I can think of for now.

  60. Ragnorke October 7, 2014 at 10:24 pm -      #60

    “Fi: “I calculate an 87% chance that this coupling will not result in successful reproduction.””

    This… Err… not a very good calculation

  61. OriginalA October 7, 2014 at 11:12 pm -      #61

    “This… Err… not a very good calculation”

    I think misread what I wrote. If you did not, then Dr. Henry Wu has got something to ask you: www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PJ3H1qNzak&t=3m1s

    Except “male” instead of “female”.

    EDIT: Or maybe your missing the joke on Fi. Or maybe I’m overthinking things in order to snark more (and poorly at that).

  62. Warlock Lowk October 7, 2014 at 11:24 pm -      #62

    “This… Err… not a very good calculation”

    The 13% is someone going all Lex Luthor and making a clone baby.

  63. Alpha or Omega October 7, 2014 at 11:29 pm -      #63

    Welp, here I go. After more hours of procrastination, hopefully, this will have been worth the wait.

    I guess you can say that they are Linked
    /
    Looks like Tifa isn’t going to get her Final Fantasy
    /
    Looks like Link is exploring a new dungeon.
    /
    You Got: The Buster Sword
    /

    Please kill me. I feel so immature. They weren’t even funny.
    I feel like throwing up too.

  64. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 12:08 am -      #64

    “I guess you can say that they are Linked
    /
    Looks like Tifa isn’t going to get her Final Fantasy”

    Vote Alpha or Omega for Supreme Leader of BankGambling.

  65. Warlock Lowk October 8, 2014 at 1:06 am -      #65

    “I guess you can say that they are Linked
    /
    Looks like Tifa isn’t going to get her Final Fantasy
    /
    Looks like Link is exploring a new dungeon.”

  66. Guardian Dualgunner M1911A1 October 8, 2014 at 3:03 am -      #66

    “I guess you can say that they are Linked
    /
    Looks like Tifa isn’t going to get her Final Fantasy
    /
    Looks like Link is exploring a new dungeon.”
    I will erect a shrine in your honor.

  67. Soulerous October 8, 2014 at 7:12 am -      #67

    Ooh, I wanna do some too.
    ~
    Apparently… Cloud is going Skyward.
    ~
    Link is starting to Tingle.
    ~
    But Zelda’s going to cucco-block him.
    ~
    /facepalm

  68. Sauroposeidon October 8, 2014 at 9:17 am -      #68

    “After the debacle that was the mud-wrestling competition, Admin, I approve. Well-played.”

    That sounds A LOT like “Two wrongs make a right” Aelfinn..

  69. Rhododendron October 8, 2014 at 11:36 am -      #69

    Only 80ish percent of NOT having a baby?
    ——-
    Well here’s hoping there isn’t a sequel with an m!preg cloud… *shudders*

  70. Guardian Dualgunner M1911A1 October 8, 2014 at 1:29 pm -      #70

    Cloud is gonna have to be Braver than that if he wants Link.

    They’re both breaking limits today.

    -Innuendo Pun here-

    -Shame For Sharing These here-

  71. Parry Boy October 8, 2014 at 2:58 pm -      #71

    I guess that would be the final Fantasy I would be thinking of.

  72. Commander Cross October 8, 2014 at 3:17 pm -      #72

    Of Course 2 wrongs do make a right, anyone remember World War 2 in general?

    Now I wanna go suggest a thread like that for the shits and giggles. 😈 😆

  73. God Of Godzilla October 8, 2014 at 4:26 pm -      #73

    Erm this is quite a strange What If but anyway since the cupids are still here…

    Tifa and Zelda are shot by the cupids and are in love with each other

    Dante and Kratos are shot by the cupids and are in love with each other

    Ganondorf and Sephiroth are shot by the cupids and are in love with each other

    Everyone else are shot by the cupids and are in love with each other

    In other words, one giant party of homosexual love

  74. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 5:45 pm -      #74

    Oi lads, this got me wondering… How powerful is Sephiroth in terms of strength/speed/hax?
    I don’t know jack shit about the guy, but it seems like he’d be up there…

    Can he compete with Naruto Characters, Rand, & current Dr. Strange?

  75. Commander Cross October 8, 2014 at 5:48 pm -      #75

    @Ragnorke at #74

    Kagato of the Tenchi Muyo Multi-verse is more useful.
    Just Saiyan, go and talk with Amm0 at the topia if you wanna know more.

    Also, Pyramid Head from Silent Hill can be added to the list, he has the Durability as does Sauron.

    Actually while you’re at it, go add Doctor Doom to the mix as well.(616 or Ultimate Alliance Versions, not Live-Action versions.)

    No nods to King Bradley from FMA for that matter being listed?

  76. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 6:00 pm -      #76

    @Cross
    So far it’s at Kaguya (Naruto), Kagato (Tenchi Muyo), Rand (WoT), Strange (Marvel Now), & Perhaps Sephiroth depending on how he fares.compared to the rest of them.

    The homunculus from FMA would be quite interesting, as they should have some form of immunity against things like Balefire, however the only one worth mentioning would be Father.
    If we assume Father has the composite abilities of all the other Homunculus.

  77. Commander Cross October 8, 2014 at 6:11 pm -      #77

    Still no word on Doctor Doom being confirmed yet?
    I’d be interested all the same to hear more, I’d reckon.

    What about Layfon Alseif from Chrome Shelled Regios for that matter, if I dare add him?
    I got a link to Layfon’s debut fight on-site, though you may wanna get Layfon’s strongest versions at the most fighting-fit incarnations.

    I’d still name more candidates, what of Sensui from Yu Yu Hakusho even?

  78. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 6:27 pm -      #78

    @Cross
    Problem with adding Doom is adding all the PiS that comes along with him xD

    Sensui from YYH sounds great actually.

  79. Commander Cross October 8, 2014 at 6:32 pm -      #79

    @Ragnorke at #78

    Shared Feats aside since it’s not quite clear who’d have The Lion’s Share if any of it behind them, right?

    ___

    Excellent to hear of it.

    If you remember Layfon, this link will be why I’d ask.

    I wonder if anyone else could fit in terms of being worthwhile.

  80. Soulerous October 8, 2014 at 7:03 pm -      #80

    -Shame For Sharing These here-
    ~
    The shame is essential to the process.

  81. Blazing Waffles October 8, 2014 at 8:47 pm -      #81

    We’d all be dead.

  82. Ninja Xtreme October 8, 2014 at 9:34 pm -      #82

    @Dualgunner guy.
    She’s dating me.
    Here are some puns:

    Cloud’s Buster Sword is bigger than Link’s Master Sword.

    I wonder how long it took for Cloud to find the pieces of Link’s heart.

    I’m out.

  83. Aelfinn October 9, 2014 at 4:02 am -      #83

    “That sounds A LOT like “Two wrongs make a right” Aelfinn..”

    To me, it sounds more like “treat both genders equally”. If you want to have sexy girls doing sexy things for the point of sex, I see it as completely legitimate to also have (for some females) sexy guys doing sexy things for the point of sex. There are no “two wrongs” here. It’s only a wrong if it happens to one side and one side alone. At least, that’s how I see it.

  84. Commander Cross October 9, 2014 at 4:12 am -      #84

    @Councilor Aelfinn at #83

    For a moment there I thought what you were responding to was talking something else going on.

    ___

    In any case, this still fits the plans, I wanna take a crack at doing a thread like this next. 😈

    Soon, my Pseudo-Evil Plans will be fulfilled.

  85. Soulerous October 9, 2014 at 6:29 am -      #85

    I think the issues are entirely independent of one another. If something is objectifying and offensive then it is so regardless of whom it happens to. It’s a matter of equalizing standards. When two wrongs become a “right,” that just means it became the new lower standard. When only one side is subjected to this standard it is called prejudice.

  86. Sauroposeidon October 9, 2014 at 6:46 am -      #86

    The way I see it, it’s either wrong to subject characters or people to scenarios like this or its not. It doesn’t matter whether it happens to both genders (or both of any side in any matter, I suppose).

    At best, I could see this as “giving the other side something too” but if it was initially sexist and wrong for us to put the women in that situation to begin with, then it should still qualify as wrong, and this should too, really.

    Outside of the disliking this match for the same reason that I disliked the other, that being that there could have been an interesting fight in its place.. I don’t really see either as “wrong” nor do I see this as being equal to the one with women. In fact, I consider it worse if we compare them on the standard of “it’s wrong to sexually objectify people.” Which, of course, I don’t even think I believe in, as it’s a nonsense blanket statement which feels Orwellian to me.

  87. Commander Cross October 9, 2014 at 10:41 am -      #87

    I don’t think it’s necessarily a ‘wrong’, per se.
    More like something that’s just ‘there’, neither good nor evil but has no definite purpose in itself, except that it happened.

  88. Aelfinn October 9, 2014 at 8:54 pm -      #88

    “When two wrongs become a “right,” that just means it became the new lower standard. When only one side is subjected to this standard it is called prejudice.”

    Soulerous understands me. While I would certainly prefer no one to be objectified, if we’re going to do to some people, we might as well do it to all people.
    =
    “Which, of course, I don’t even think I believe in, as it’s a nonsense blanket statement which feels Orwellian to me.”

    …Alright…I don’t see how “see people as people and not as objects” is equivalent to “dystopian government that monitors what we think and say and punishes us for speaking out against it”, but you do you. I’m just going to drop this subject, and go back to speed-blitzes.

  89. TheSorrow October 9, 2014 at 10:36 pm -      #89

    Pfft you call this a fanfic? I am very disappointed.

  90. Ragnorke October 9, 2014 at 10:58 pm -      #90

    @TheSorrow
    Haven’t seen you in a while buddy :O
    BankGambling needs some hardcore matches soon…

  91. Sauroposeidon October 9, 2014 at 11:10 pm -      #91

    I see it as being told what to think, and being told that to think in any other way than that is wrong.

    I have known many women in my life time who enjoy or even prefer to be objectified. Some to the point they wish to be treated as furniture.

    I don’t really wish to get in to sexual fetishes and stuff here, I’m just saying, blanket statements have a bad habit of being inaccurate, as they do not often account for deviations from the main stream thought process, or what the statement maker thinks is main stream.

  92. TheSorrow October 9, 2014 at 11:13 pm -      #92

    Yeah I haven’t found a match I am interested in taking part in just yet. The King Bradley (My favorite FMA villain) vs Capt. America thread showed some promise though.

  93. Ragnorke October 9, 2014 at 11:46 pm -      #93

    “The King Bradley (My favorite FMA villain) vs Capt. America thread showed some promise though.”

    It’s definitely worth the debate, and both enjoyable characters… but it still seems a bit stompy to me.

    Btw, which genre do you usually prefer? I wouldn’t have guessed you being an anime fan.

  94. TheSorrow October 10, 2014 at 1:49 am -      #94

    I never really got into Comic Books, mostly because they all had a huge back story to them and I wasn’t interested in finding a jumping on point. Most of my knowledge of the Marvel/DC universe comes from the various debates I took part of.

    I started watching anime when Toonami and Adult Swim first began to air. Stuff like Dragon Ball Z, Voltron, Trigun, etc., then I moved onto manga, simply because I noticed how much filler was no longer present.

    As to what genre I prefer, I never really gave it much thought, I just look for stories and characters that interest me. The latest mangas I am into right now are OnePunch Man, Akame ga Kiru, Fairy Tail, Toriko, Shokugeki no Soma, Magi, The Breaker: New Waves, and Battle Angel Alita: The Last Order. I’m sure there are probably more I am missing, but those are the main one’s I am interested in these days.

    I would have included the Holy Trinity (Bleach, Naruto, and One Piece) at one point in the past, but now I feel like I’m just obligated to finish them.

  95. TheSorrow October 10, 2014 at 1:56 am -      #95

    It’s definitely worth the debate, and both enjoyable characters… but it still seems a bit stompy to me.

    From what I could see, unless Captain America manages to find a way to get rid of King Bradley’s eye (I doubt it), he wont be able to touch him. Even without the eye, he has proven to be more than capable to hold his own against several master alchemists. His skill-level easily makes him the most dangerous of all the Homunculus.

  96. Soulerous October 10, 2014 at 2:33 am -      #96

    I see it as being told what to think, and being told that to think in any other way than that is wrong.
    ~
    In and of itself, such a thing is not fallacious. If something is true then it’s true. Problems are only introduced to this concept when the statement in question is arbitrary or debatable.
    ~
    I see sexual objectification as wrong for the exact same reason using drugs is wrong: It promotes perversion and degradation. It can have anywhere from a minor effect, like hurting someone’s feelings, to a major one, like ruining relationships and causing one to lash out or act desperately. It opens the door to addiction either way.
    ~
    I realize not everyone is bothered by drugs or objectification, but that doesn’t prevent them from having an adverse effect on society. Blanket statements can only be inaccurate when they are predicated on two conflicting principles; fundamentally different things being the same. For example, all people in a given group acting the same way even though the action is dependent on personal variables.

  97. OriginalA October 10, 2014 at 6:04 am -      #97

    “I see sexual objectification as wrong for the exact same reason using drugs is wrong: It promotes perversion and degradation.”

    Isn’t sexual objectification like 100% of all porn? Porn is, after all, basically just a tool to stimulate arousal and entertainment for the audience. And by extension the pornstars are the functional portion of that tool (objects) on a matter that is explicitly of a sexual nature.

    Additionally, certain sexual objectifications (read: fetishes) can, on a case by case basis (depending on personal preferences of all involved), actually enhance a relationship by bringing a couple more intimately together. Of course, the understood conditional is that all of this must be consensual for all involved.

    On the flip side, certain drugs are quantifiable a health hazard with zero redeeming qualities aside from personal gratification, which only pays off for the self, where as sexual objectification can be mutually beneficial. Furthermore, certain drugs can cause negative healfh effects to those around the user even when those around the user hasn’t partaken in the use of the drugs themselves (e.g. secondhand smoke inhalation).

    “Blanket statements can only be inaccurate when they are predicated on two conflicting principles”

    I disagree. Blanket statements can be inaccurate so long as there is dissenting opinion about the topic at hand. Point of fact: you just made a blanket statement about drug use and sexual objectification and likening them as having the same or similar results. While I don’t entirely disagree with your conclusion of what those results may be, I do believe that both of those issues should be handled separately because I do not believe that a single resolution for how to handle both of them would be satisfactory for all parties involved while maintaining objectivity and minimizing harm. This conclusion of my in turn challenges this conclusion of yours about blanket statements.

    This rabbit hole goes deep.

  98. Soulerous October 10, 2014 at 8:38 am -      #98

    Additionally, certain sexual objectifications (read: fetishes) can, on a case by case basis (depending on personal preferences of all involved), actually enhance a relationship by bringing a couple more intimately together.
    ~
    When I speak of sexual objectification I do not mean sexuality in general. I mean thinking or treating someone as an object rather than a person, or in other words, not showing them proper respect. Aside from that, the possibility of positive ramifications does not convince me something is good on principle. Murdering or stealing something together can lead a couple to greater intimacy as well.
    ~
    I disagree. Blanket statements can be inaccurate so long as there is dissenting opinion about the topic at hand.
    ~
    I am going to assume you don’t mean that blanket statements are wrong if people disagree with them. Disagreements are irrelevant to the reality of something. I will instead assume you mean blanket statements regarding variables can be inaccurate as long as someone can break the mold. Of course that’s true. That is also what I said.
    ~
    I do believe that both of those issues should be handled separately because I do not believe that a single resolution for how to handle both of them would be satisfactory for all parties involved while maintaining objectivity and minimizing harm.
    ~
    I’m not sure what you’re saying. The only similarity I indicated was that they both have a negative effect. These effects definitely manifest in different ways. As far as “handling” them goes, of course they require their own considerations.

  99. OriginalA October 10, 2014 at 2:45 pm -      #99

    ” I mean thinking or treating someone as an object rather than a person, or in other words, not showing them proper respect.”

    I think this is the key phrase of contention in this disagreement. What actually qualifies as sexual objectification? This is something that varies between person to person. For instance, I know that some people consider strippers to be sexually objectified and those people address strippers as universally negatively. Someone like me also considers strippers to be sexually objectified; however I don’t believe that in this kind of specific context that that objectification is strictly negative. I assume from your stipulation that sexual objectification being linked with a disregard with respect for the person being objectified that you don’t consider them objectified, correct?

    For personal clarification, my defense of sexual objectifaction to some extent does carry the stipulation that all parties involved must maintain respect for each other as people.

    “I am going to assume you don’t mean that blanket statements are wrong if people disagree with them. ”

    I DO think blanket statements are wrong… if only because the context that those blanket statements cover can so easily be misunderstood into saying something that you don’t mean. For instance, since you have provided additional context for your own definition of sexual objectification, this invalidates my previous understanding of your initial blanket statement. In this case, what I believed you were saying was wrong to both my opinion as well as your own.

    It’s too easy to lose context and meaning with blanket statements.

  100. Turtle Commando October 11, 2014 at 12:30 am -      #100

    @ Everyone….

    So I was just trolling to see what I’ve missed as is the usual. When I see this.
    At first I’m like:
    Are you f-ing kidding me? This is the stupidest what if I have ever seen. If I wanted this I would go to WESHIPEVERYTHING.com (Not real for the sake of my argument/thoughts at the time).

    Then I read the description and:
    Decided not to complain, it could get somewhere. Everybody comments once we get 40 different points of view at most. It’s cool.

    Finally I read the comments and went:
    Dear Lord, Shishou. Roxy. (If you get the reference, good for you. If you don’t try reading Mushoku Tensei on Baka-Tsuki)
    The Pilers have WAY too much time on their hands. BUUT SO DO I! SO F IT ALL!

    My comment:
    *ahem* If I may be so bold as to say, nothing would happen. This is clearly a drug induced party foul. They would shrug it off as one of the lesser-advertised alcohol and party-fever induced nightmares, and continue.

    If it lingered….That I dare not tread. I find Yaoi to be squicky myself. But, hey. Hate the sin love the sinner right?

    Also, Rewatching Tsubasa Chronicles for the lulz. I am in a Hapanees mood tonight if you know what I mean.

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