Bayonetta Vs Grey Knights

Bayonetta Vs Grey Knights

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For this fight we have Bayonetta, with only the crono manipulation she can use in gameplay up against the Grey Knights (Warhammer 40K) chapter. (i.e 1000 of them.)

Scenario 1: She fights them 1 at a time consecutively.
Scenario 2: She fights them 10 at a time consecutively.
Scenario 3: She fights them 100 at a time consecutively.
Scenario 4: She fights them all at once.

The team with the most wins overall is the winner.

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83 Comments on "Bayonetta Vs Grey Knights"

  1. Ragnorke October 6, 2014 at 6:52 am -      #1

    Now I understand that her “giggaton” and “infiniton” power outputs are purely game-mechanic eye candy… But she’s still easily a building buster isn’t she?
    And hit someone so hard that they were sent to the sun at FTL speeds? That’s definitely city busting hits right there.

    And if crono manipulation means time stops, she can easily take millions-billions of these guys.

  2. OberHerr October 6, 2014 at 9:34 am -      #2

    Pretty sure she wins, but the Grey Knights also have stuff like time stops, so its not limited to her.

    But this fight is gonna be decided by:

    1. Can she resist mind-rape?

    2. If so, how well?

    3. How fast is she?

  3. PositiveAnion October 6, 2014 at 9:45 am -      #3

    MIND BULLETS. MIND BULLETS EVERYWHERE.
    No idea the feats on her, but the Grey Knights are totally OP.

  4. Friendlysociopath October 6, 2014 at 9:57 am -      #4

    “3. How fast is she?”

    BankGambling Wiki says she’s hypersonic because she reacted to satellites being thrown at her from orbit.

    Considering she’s often compared to Dante (and beat him here I think) that means she has to be at least a casual bullet-timer.

  5. Ragnorke October 6, 2014 at 10:16 am -      #5

    “but the Grey Knights also have stuff like time stops, so its not limited to her.”

    Wait.. if the grey knights have time STOPS, then they win.
    Although that’s highly unlikely.

    “1. Can she resist mind-rape?”

    Pretty sure she has some mind-rape of her own, but don’t quite me on this.

    “No idea the feats on her, but the Grey Knights are totally OP.”

    OP enough to throw people to the sun at faster than light speeds?
    Ok, it takes a minute and 10 seconds, for her to reach the sun.

    Using: x = (V + U)t/2
    we get: 149,600,000,000m = (V + 0)x70s / 2
    Which results in: V = 42,742,857,143 m/s

    Now using: a = (V – U)/t
    we get: a = (42,742,857,142 – 0) / 70
    Which results in: a = 610,612,245 m/s^2

    Now if we assume the character has a mass of 1kg (extremely low-end estimate)
    And use: F=ma
    we get: F= 1kg x 610,612,245m/s^2

    Which means Bayonetta created a Force equal to 610 Million Newtons.
    And for every kilogram of mass that the character actually had, the value of his Force would be multiplied by said number.

    So using a more “realistic” estimate, Bayonetta was capable of creating a force of 5-10 Billion Newtons.
    (calculations assuming FTL travel is viable)

  6. wingedlion October 6, 2014 at 10:18 am -      #6

    “1. Can she resist mind-rape?”

    not that i recall.

    “3. How fast is she?”

    she’s at least faster than the eye can see and is also a lightning timer as well.

    “And hit someone so hard that they were sent to the sun at FTL speeds? That’s definitely city busting hits right there.”

    apparently she may have had help from jeanne to do that, since their were two diffrent colored hair weaves used to summon sheba.
    personally i think it was just her, but whatever.

  7. Cassie Hack October 6, 2014 at 10:32 am -      #7

    warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Grey_Knights

    —-

    I didn’t see anything about time manipulation in the powers, unless it’s supposed to be quicksilver.

    —-

    I’m kind of torn in regards to the Sheba feat for Bayo though, I like to think it was just Bayo because we don’t see Jeane at all when Sheba is created, but Sheba is made up both white and black hair…

  8. God Of Godzilla October 6, 2014 at 10:56 am -      #8

    Couldn’t Bayonetta time stop in an instant? Right now I think the fight can go either way

  9. The Amazing Dualgunner October 6, 2014 at 12:42 pm -      #9

    I’m rooting for Bayo in this one.

  10. Envoy October 6, 2014 at 1:03 pm -      #10

    “Now I understand that her “giggaton” and “infiniton” power outputs are purely game-mechanic eye candy… ”
    +
    Sure whatever.
    =
    “And for every kilogram of mass that the character actually had, the value of his Force would be multiplied by said number.”
    +
    If Jubileus hits any planet before reaching the sun, it is destroyed and you game over, so she’s pretty fucking heavy.
    =
    “Couldn’t Bayonetta time stop in an instant?”
    +
    She can slow time to the point where it might as well be stopped.

  11. OriginalA October 6, 2014 at 2:50 pm -      #11

    “If Jubileus hits any planet before reaching the sun, it is destroyed and you game over, so she’s pretty fucking heavy.”

    Which is weird because it isn’t a physical form. Her body is sitting in orbit around Earth.

    That entire “punch into the sun scene” is just wonky. Bayo punches Jubi while in orbit around Earth, but Jubi starts traveling toward the sun around Pluto, and Jubi’s size during trip to the sun is a significant fraction (something ridiculous like 1/8th) the size of the planets, while her physical body is only like a couple hundred meters tall at most. It’s a really cool scene but it makes absolutely no sense at all.

    “but Sheba is made up both white and black hair…”

    I think there is a statement in one of the Nintendo Direct videos about Bayo 2 that mentions that Bay and Jeanne team up to summon Sheba.

  12. The Amazing Dualgunner October 6, 2014 at 2:57 pm -      #12

    “That entire “punch into the sun scene” is just wonky. Bayo punches Jubi while in orbit around Earth, but Jubi starts traveling toward the sun around Pluto, and Jubi’s size during trip to the sun is a significant fraction (something ridiculous like 1/8th) the size of the planets, while her physical body is only like a couple hundred meters tall at most. It’s a really cool scene but it makes absolutely no sense at all.”

    I would like to say a lot of it is just “Rule of Cool”, going by the same logic as a lot of DMC’s feats (not discrediting it, just some attempt to explain why the scene may be wonky)

  13. Ragnorke October 6, 2014 at 3:16 pm -      #13

    “I would like to say a lot of it is just “Rule of Cool”,”

    ANYTHING moving faster than light is Wonky. Since it makes no fucking sense in terms of our universe.
    That doesn’t mean the feats can be disregarded.

  14. Envoy October 6, 2014 at 3:30 pm -      #14

    “It’s a really cool scene but it makes absolutely no sense at all.”
    +
    Yup. Maybe the sheer power of the infinitons warped reality and allowed for it to happen.

  15. Mea quidem sententia October 6, 2014 at 3:37 pm -      #15

    So the distance should be from the Earth to the Sun, not Pluto to the Sun? If from Pluto, then Jubileus traveled 273.63 times faster than light, though after being punched, moved at a snail’s pace by comparison.

  16. The Amazing Dualgunner October 6, 2014 at 4:28 pm -      #16

    “That doesn’t mean the feats can be disregarded.”
    Hence why I said what I said in the parentheses :P

  17. Commander Cross October 6, 2014 at 5:15 pm -      #17

    It’s official in this thread, no matter which side lives, WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!

  18. pimpmage October 6, 2014 at 6:52 pm -      #18

    So there are only two grey knights that I know of that have any special feats worth mentioning. One, there is a perpetual grey knight dude that cannot die and will regen from goddam anything. And the other is like a warp mirror. He reflects magic through himself back at an attacker. I will find their names… maybe some other time. Meh.

  19. OriginalA October 6, 2014 at 9:27 pm -      #19

    “So the distance should be from the Earth to the Sun, not Pluto to the Sun? If from Pluto, then Jubileus traveled 273.63 times faster than light, though after being punched, moved at a snail’s pace by comparison.”

    Except in the scene in question you can visibly see the other planets pass by. So the distance is both Earth to the Sun and Pluto to the Sun because both are accurate origin positions for Jubi’s trip to the Sun.

    So many things are just wrong about that scene. (I still love it though)

  20. PositiveAnion October 6, 2014 at 10:24 pm -      #20

    Bayonetta wins. the grey knights simply don’t have the ability to match her feats. This is a perfect example of WHAT NOT TO DO when creating a duel. when you make a duel, you should try to make it as evenly matched as possible. This one is pretty much over after 20 comments.

    On another note of ranting, people, please stop trying so hard to beat 40k. Warhammer 40,000 is a pretty over powered universe, but people keep trying to downgrade it by putting it up against things it simple can’t beat. It is like pitting a Tyranid Hive Tyrant on a Tyrannosaurus Rex. They are both badass in their own account, but they just don’t compare. Sure, a T-Rex is massive, and a huge predator, but Hive Tyrants are immortal psychic close combat monstrosities. It is just getting annoying. I want good debates, like Gipsy Danger VS a Warlord Titan, not these one side “beat-up-a-bully-with-a-Thunderhammer” sessions.

    Peace out and keep your minds sharp. We need more critical thinkers like you guys, who are willing to dig to find the truth.

  21. The Amazing Dualgunner October 7, 2014 at 1:15 am -      #21

    “So many things are just wrong about that scene. (I still love it though)”
    Perfect ending for that game IMO. I loved every minute of it.

  22. Sauroposeidon October 7, 2014 at 6:58 am -      #22

    The problem, Anion, is that fan wank makes it look more over powered than it is. Although to be honest this just looks like a “gurl power” fight where the whole purpose of this battle was to have a woman defeat a powerful opponent. It’s layered in that thanks to Ward, even though it’s been retconned, the Grey Knights have a bad reputation now as killers of women after that Sisters of Battle incident.

    Not that I’m going to complain. I don’t really like Bayonetta (those glasses, why those glasses? I never knew glasses could make me hate someone so much before you came along, lady), but I’ve done worse here in reaction to a pro-titan poster someone once made.

  23. Mea quidem sententia October 7, 2014 at 11:18 am -      #23

    What I’m asking, OriginalA, is if the starting point was from Earth or Pluto? I don’t know where Bayonetta is located before fighting Jubileus. If it started on or near Earth, then I’m not sure how Jubileus was punched to the Sun from Pluto. I don’t know the specifics because I only bothered to see the cut-scene for the Pluto to Sun scene.

  24. Cassie Hack October 7, 2014 at 12:20 pm -      #24

    There is a fight right before the cut scene, with Bayo battling jubilex inside this huge sphere. They could honestly have been traveling while in the sphere, but ireally don’t have any proof of that.

  25. LadyRamkin October 7, 2014 at 1:14 pm -      #25

    Dont grey knights have anti demon chants that grow in effect with the more people chanting it… or somthing. They are the anti demon chapter its kind of their thing, and since alot of Bayonetta’s powers utilise demons in some way i thought it would be a good match up. apparently not.

  26. Ragnorke October 7, 2014 at 2:10 pm -      #26

    @Ramkin
    It’s still a debatable match, since Bayo doesn’t have mind rape resistant feats yet. Also apparently the grey knights have time slows.

    It’s still pre post #50, so feel free to make any balancing changes that you want.

  27. Cassie Hack October 7, 2014 at 2:55 pm -      #27

    I haven’t seen anything about time slows for the grey knights at all yet.

  28. Friendlysociopath October 7, 2014 at 2:56 pm -      #28

    “It’s still a debatable match, since Bayo doesn’t have mind rape resistant feats yet. Also apparently the grey knights have time slows.”

    Not entirely sure about that, Oberherre just said “They have time stops” and then hasn’t posted since. Others and myself can find no mention of time stops.

    Also, since this is just a Grey Knights chapter- do they even have named characters? The description led me to believe it was just Bayonetta vs 1,000 regular Grey Knights.
    Edit: Ninja’d by the Cassie

  29. Ragnorke October 7, 2014 at 3:57 pm -      #29

    Ramkin could potentially add entire fleets & ships if he so desires.
    This match still has hope.

  30. LadyRamkin October 7, 2014 at 4:29 pm -      #30

    My thinking (if you can call it that) was that Bayonetta is really powerful and get her power from demons, Grey knights are psyker space marines with loads of skills for fighting demons, That might be a fun match.

    That is however ALL i know about Grey knights. I am incapable of balancing this. so for the duration of the initial 50 posts i would like to give Ragnorke my Match suggester privileges. I feel that this is fair and legal.

  31. Ragnorke October 7, 2014 at 4:42 pm -      #31

    I… I don’t know shit about WH, and havn’t even finished Bayonetta :O
    I just came for the calculations, and caus it seems like a fun debate :P

    Fellow Facts… Suggestions!

  32. Numinous One October 7, 2014 at 4:51 pm -      #32

    “Fellow Facts… Suggestions!”

    I’m in the same boat as you here, but.. named characters and a day of prep for the knights?
    Otherwise they appear to get slaughtered.

  33. pimpmage October 7, 2014 at 6:33 pm -      #33

    What is the source of bayo’s powers? Can some elemental compatibility be worked out here?

    Edit:
    Here are a list of some of their spells that seem somewhat relevant to this match

    Holocaust – Units of Grey Knights Terminators are able to make use of the Holocaust psychic power as a whole. A group of Grey Knights can harness their collective psychic powers to manifest this ability as long as the entire group remains focused on the manifestation. If successful, a Grey Knights Terminator can incinerate opponents at close range using this power. It is a manifestation of the hate the Grey Knights feel for the daemonic, and is completely capable of burning a Daemon’s physical body to ash. This power is especially terrifying because whatever is destroyed by the Holocaust power dies in the Warp as well, its spirit extinguished like a candle. It can burn the souls of mortals to nothing and can banish Daemons as if they were but a bad dream. This power is a lesser version of the extraordinary final burst of psychic power used by the Emperor of Mankind Himself to snuff out the soul of Horus in the Warp at the end of the Horus Heresy during the final battle on Horus’ Battle Barge, the Vengeful Spirit.

    Dark Excommunication – The Grey Knight weaves an enchantment that severs a Daemon’s connection to its dark master, one of the Chaos Gods, causing it to dissolve into the Empyrean.

    The Summoning – The Grey Knight Librarian is able to reach out through the Immaterium and call upon his allies, drawing them across the intervening distance in the blink of an eye. The Grey Knight can use this power on a number of allies, though he must have met each one personally and must know them by name so that he can recognise their presence in the Warp across space and time. When he invokes this power he “calls” to these chosen allies and they are instantly aware that he is summoning them. If they choose to answer the call they are instantly transported through the Warp to his side.

    Warp Rift – With a simple gesture, the Grey Knight Librarian is able to rend the material realm asunder, condemning his foes to the caprices of the Warp.

    Warp Quake – The Grey Knight causes the Warp to tremor, causing denizens of the Empyrean to lose their hold on reality and any device or technology that uses its power for guidance to fail.

  34. Ragnorke October 7, 2014 at 6:46 pm -      #34

    “What is the source of bayo’s powers? Can some elemental compatibility be worked out here?”

    For the sake of EC, we should assume it’s the same source that the Chaos Marines use for their demonic summons?
    Since Bayonetta is all about.. well… demonic summons.

    “I’m in the same boat as you here, but.. named characters and a day of prep for the knights?”

    Adding named characters definitely sounds reasonable… A day of prep might become over-kill for team 2 though

    “and can banish Daemons as if they were but a bad dream”

    This would be useful.

    “The Grey Knight weaves an enchantment that severs a Daemon’s connection to its dark master, one of the Chaos Gods, causing it to dissolve into the Empyrean.”

    This too, would be useful.

    Ok, i think we’ll need some calcs on Bayonettas speed & timeslow capabilites…
    I’ll get right on it.

  35. GMoney October 7, 2014 at 6:52 pm -      #35

    Grey Knights do not have time slows. all they have is a spell that slows down their perception of time which while useful, isn’t going to matter much to Bayonetta who moves at near lightspeed.

  36. Ragnorke October 7, 2014 at 6:57 pm -      #36

    ” isn’t going to matter much to Bayonetta who moves at near lightspeed.”

    …Since when does Bayo move near lightspeed?

  37. Guardian Dualgunner M1911A1 October 7, 2014 at 7:07 pm -      #37

    Since Bayo can stack Witch Time on top of Witch Time iirc. Check Bayo v Dante, a lot of her feats were explained there.

  38. Ragnorke October 7, 2014 at 7:15 pm -      #38

    “Since Bayo can stack Witch Time on top of Witch Time iirc”

    Definitely sounds like a gameplay mechanic, if not an out right Exploit of game mechanics.

    Neither Bayonetta nor Jeanne have ever “stacked” Witch Time in the cutscenes, which suggests the stacking isn’t canon.

  39. creyzi4j October 8, 2014 at 1:44 pm -      #39

    Bayonetta wins this one easily. She would grab the GreyKnight’s halberd and shove it up his ass so hard the GreyKnight would start worshipping Slaanesh.

    And you guys can forget about mind-rape. Bayonetta either resists it, gets the initiative, blitzes GK.

    Bayonetta stomps. Down with the Warhammer WANK!!

  40. pimpmage October 8, 2014 at 2:16 pm -      #40

    I just face palmed. Just ignore an extremely obvious weakness? Why would we do that? It is YOU who is the wanker here…

  41. jontyfreack October 8, 2014 at 4:41 pm -      #41

    okay relating to the earlier post that bayoneta can move near light speed. just thought I might say a grey night can teleport and also using a bit of math and a bit of lore after finding the reflex time of a greynight is significantly faster than a standard sm but that still is to fast for a human to see. so this combined with teleport and the constantly adapting psychic powers. oh yeah and they kill deamons that move faster than light(ehhum blood letters) so bayoneta would be easy pickings for a greynight

  42. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 5:43 pm -      #42

    Ok, can someone please get quotes for the grey knights?
    If anyone has the books or novels… Feats are definitely needed.
    We have a general idea of what they can do, and to be fair it sounds like they have a pretty good shot, but in order for this match to really go anywhere we definitely need to read the feats.

    So far we know for sure they can “dispel” demons, but we need to know the details of how they perform that..

  43. pimpmage October 8, 2014 at 6:27 pm -      #43

    Unarmored Grey knight Alaric fighting a chaos champion named Venalitor.
    “The ring of their blades clashing was so rapid and relentless that it sounded like the trophy chamber was filled with driving rain. Ventilator slashed too fast to see, but his blades rang off Alaric’s halberd. Alaric Knocked Venalitor back with raw strength, his greater reach letting him hack out in arcing strikes, to artless to wound, but enough to force Venalitor back across the chamber, step by step. Alaric fired a burst from his storm bolter. Venalitor swatted the bolter shells away like insects….”

    Basically, this grey knight sergent was beating back a dude with twin daggers. Venalitor was a super casual bullet timer seeing as he swatted away dozens of bolter shells nearly point blank within a melee fight. This grey knight only used a two handed halberd too. Also, he was completely unarmored so he didn’t have the super enhanced speeds that powered armor could gift him.

    ‘So far we know for sure they can “dispel” demons, but we need to know the details of how they perform that..”

    “Warp Rift – With a simple gesture, the Grey Knight Librarian is able to rend the material realm asunder, condemning his foes to the caprices of the Warp.”

    This quote explains itself well enough does it not? A single gesture can open a warp rift to suck in creatures…

  44. Friendlysociopath October 8, 2014 at 6:31 pm -      #44

    “So far we know for sure they can “dispel” demons, but we need to know the details of how they perform that..”

    Think D&D Clerics if that helps, just through sheer will and belief in the God Emperor if I remember right.

    Space Marine feats are all over the place, you’d think they would standardize the fluff at least.

  45. Ragnorke October 8, 2014 at 6:54 pm -      #45

    “This quote explains itself well enough does it not? A single gesture can open a warp rift to suck in creatures…”

    Things like Size & Speed of the target could come into play, which is why “visual” evidence of the feat being performed would be nice.

  46. Neon Lord October 8, 2014 at 7:51 pm -      #46

    “So far we know for sure they can “dispel” demons, but we need to know the details of how they perform that..”

    Simple. They beat the crap out of them with holy weapons. Or close the Warp rift on the plane/destroy the source if it’s a large scale invasion.

  47. Ninja Xtreme October 8, 2014 at 9:38 pm -      #47

    Are there any good feats in the new Bayonetta?

  48. Cassie Hack October 8, 2014 at 10:55 pm -      #48

    I honestly have been avoiding anything in regards to game reviews, but it released in Japan so there might be vids for it out already.

  49. Friendlysociopath October 8, 2014 at 11:03 pm -      #49

    “Are there any good feats in the new Bayonetta?”

    Also, isn’t there a movie?

  50. Cassie Hack October 8, 2014 at 11:05 pm -      #50

    I consider the movie non-canon, it’s the story of the first game but it’s not told in the same order as the game was. I could be wrong and it could be canon though.

  51. Warlock Lowk October 8, 2014 at 11:31 pm -      #51

    “Are there any good feats in the new Bayonetta?”

    She kicked a speeding jet in several meters away like the first 10 minutes. That’s all I’ve gotten up to cutscene wise.

  52. creyzi4j October 9, 2014 at 9:36 am -      #52

    @ Basically, this grey knight sergent was beating back a dude with twin daggers. Venalitor was a super casual bullet timer seeing as he swatted away dozens of bolter shells nearly point blank within a melee fight. This grey knight only used a two handed halberd too. Also, he was completely unarmored so he didn’t have the super enhanced speeds that powered armor could gift him.

    = This is the wank I was talking about. Fucking wanks off to WH40k. Go back to your room kid, your outliers aren’t welcome here.
    Grey Knights are wanked so hard Son Goku SSj1 could take on an entire platoon of them all by himself.

  53. Ragnorke October 9, 2014 at 9:40 am -      #53

    “Grey Knights are wanked so hard Son Goku SSj1″

    Well… Goku is a planet-buster… So there’s no surprise there

  54. Commander Cross October 9, 2014 at 10:48 am -      #54

    *Notice Artillery Shells being shot on all sides*

    Yet their calcs are far more consistent than that of most of the other Marine Chapters, so barring the idiocies of The Black Library’s writers something’s gotta be wrong with the idea. :/

    @Ragnorke at #53

    For all intents and purposes, if SS lvl. 1 Goku vs The Grey Knights happen, I smell Quick-Draw Session time, any other named Chapter save the Custodes just Bite The Dust for sure though.

    Anyway, Asteroids Crash, Everyone Dies from this fight.
    The only thing that could possibly be left in this match is Silent Hill afterward.

    Which is pretty much what happened here.

  55. pimpmage October 9, 2014 at 11:03 am -      #55

    How the fuck is that wank you retard? Read the fucking quote I provided. Holy shit I can’t believe I have to tell someone to fucking read words. I think he has some sort of hate against all 40k so he cries wank anytime anyone so much as supports 40k in any way. Stop crying you little cunt. Outliers? Canon is canon.

  56. Commander Cross October 9, 2014 at 11:17 am -      #56

    @Pimpmage and Creyzi

    *Sigh*

    Will you two stop firing before I wind up suggesting Tenchi Muyo and The Dresden Files vs Warhammer 40K? -_-

    Trust me when I say that it’s a fight that The Black Library will NOT win*, and if you wanna argue about that, it means you both got the cash for joining Kickstarter projects.

    It’s already a dead shame one of the family got shot in June 2014, the least you two can do is help dig a proper Grave or something, I doubt it’ll kill any of you here.

    1.) (I believe The Grey Knights and Adeptus Custodes may be exempt from this only due to Sheer Effort alone, but as I said before, Consistently Shitty Calcs on their Comrades are Consistently Shitty.
    Tenchi Muyo and The Dresden Files each bring out Consistently High-End and Awesome Calcs each, and that’s not even touching their Big Guns either.)

  57. Ragnorke October 9, 2014 at 11:52 am -      #57

    @pimpmage
    Easy there buddy. Quotes are quotes, and he was wrong to have called it Wank, but no need to explode like that.

  58. Commander Cross October 9, 2014 at 11:56 am -      #58

    @Ragnorke at #57

    Creyzi is Female, actually.
    Sometimes I might wish I weren’t a Family Man, but since I am one, I’ll ask you all to go home for a few hours and be Family Men(and Women), really.

    Like I said, to be fair I already note the GKs and Adeptus Custodes are Exempt from the Scrutiny Mace only by Effort alone, if they didn’t have Effort in their favor they would not be getting shreds of mercy from anyone, really.

  59. Praetor Prefect October 9, 2014 at 12:02 pm -      #59

    I will say Grey Knights seem overpowered, even for their elite status (erase demons from the warp? wat?), but this isn’t necessarily wank. They’re supposed to be stupidly powerful, at least according to their writers…

    From what I’ve seen, I’m not sure if the Spehss Mehreens can carry this. Ridicu-FTL speeds plus time slowing doesn’t bode well.

  60. Commander Cross October 9, 2014 at 12:04 pm -      #60

    @Praetor Prefect at #59

    Exactly the point, more reason still for the GKs to warrant being exempt from the scrutiny.

    ___

    Like I said, I settle for ‘Asteroids Fall, Everyone Dies,’ because not just ‘any’ Rock can kill either side.

  61. pimpmage October 9, 2014 at 2:31 pm -      #61

    So its the new bayo game a new incarnation? If not, surely people have some feats
    for her in mind?

  62. Cassie Hack October 9, 2014 at 3:47 pm -      #62

    New Bayo is a direct sequel, it’s just not released stateside yet

  63. pimpmage October 9, 2014 at 4:25 pm -      #63

    So unless the new game re imagines any of her powers, she will retain all previous feats?

  64. Cassie Hack October 9, 2014 at 4:52 pm -      #64

    Right, all the powers and feats from the first game carry over, with the second game adding more feats.

  65. pimpmage October 9, 2014 at 6:29 pm -      #65

    So I skimmed through all the cutscenes from the second game. She seems extremely strong and she can cast spells that make her clothes change into stuff with like 5-10 seconds’ casting time. How durable is she? I might have missed any speed showings, she seems to walk around in the cutscenes. Can she dodge a tidal wave of bolter shells from 666-1000 grey knights?

  66. Friendlysociopath October 9, 2014 at 6:41 pm -      #66

    “How durable is she?”

    She headbutts a skyscraper at someone in the first game, that’s all I know off the top of my head.

    “I might have missed any speed showings, she seems to walk around in the cutscenes. Can she dodge a tidal wave of bolter shells from 666-1000 grey knights?”

    She has Time Slows, there was also a fight in space with her flying between planets or something like that?

  67. pimpmage October 9, 2014 at 6:50 pm -      #67

    Are those time slows gameplay mechanics? This was brought up earlier.

  68. Warlock Lowk October 9, 2014 at 6:54 pm -      #68

    ” How durable is she?”

    She can headbutt skyscrapers.
    ===
    “She seems extremely strong and she can cast spells that make her clothes change into stuff with like 5-10 seconds’ casting time.”

    Actually some of her stuff like the large legs or fist can be brought out fairly quick while attack. The casting I think is just her summoning stuff.
    That stuff can also stay out and fight battles while she fights
    youtu.be/yjGpoOwUgyY?t=11m19s
    fight starts at 11:19 monster are around 12:50
    also bayonetta capable of flight is shown somewhere in there. Theres another example where she chasing down something but not sure where that is at the moment.
    ===
    Seen a bit of playthrough for the second game.
    She fights a a guy who can react to bullets fired from just out of point blank who makes use of teleporting in fights.
    youtu.be/NzV17dZv6CA?t=4m19s
    to about 4:28

  69. Warlock Lowk October 9, 2014 at 6:56 pm -      #69

    “Are those time slows gameplay mechanics?”

    No those are her powers actual powers.
    EDIT: I think the only gameplay mechanic is needing to dodge to activate it since iirc it’s shown activating without the need in cutscenes.

  70. Warlock Lowk October 9, 2014 at 7:12 pm -      #70

    “Neither Bayonetta nor Jeanne have ever “stacked” Witch Time in the cutscenes, which suggests the stacking isn’t canon.”

    The plane scene where it was bought to a slow.

    Around @20:11 time is already slowed. Seems they slowed it down further with another at 20:18 while time was still slowed.

  71. Ragnorke October 9, 2014 at 7:19 pm -      #71

    @pimpmage
    “she can cast spells that make her clothes change into stuff with like 5-10 seconds’ casting time. ”

    Most of her spells cast alot faster…

    “How durable is she?”

    Head-butting skyscrappers is the absolute low-end feat, because she was capable of doing it without ANY injury at all.

    ” I might have missed any speed showings, she seems to walk around in the cutscenes. ”

    Bullet-timer is low-end, i’d need to do some calcs for high end.
    This amount is obviously multiplied when she uses With Time (her Time Slow)

    ” Can she dodge a tidal wave of bolter shells from 666-1000 grey knights?”

    No.
    The idea is that she can kill them all quick enough, and survive a few seconds of getting hit.

    “Are those time slows gameplay mechanics? This was brought up earlier.”

    I brought it up earlier.
    STACKING time-slows is a gameplay mechanic in my opinion, because there’s no canon statement on it, nor is it ever shown in cut-scenes.

    “I think the only gameplay mechanic is needing to dodge to activate it since iirc it’s shown activating without the need in cutscenes.”

    There’s an item that she gets, that allows her to use it whenever she wants. I reckon she had that item during the cutscene.
    But… Still… I’m pretty sure she can use it whenever.

    “Around @20:11 time is already slowed. Seems they slowed it down further with another at 20:18 while time was still slowed.”

    Doesn’t look like they slowed it further in my opinion.
    The enemies were dropping down, which means they were falling at pretty high speeds. Once they landed, they were no longer moving as fast, since they were no longer under the effects of Gravity.
    Doesn’t suggest stacking time-slows…

  72. Ragnorke October 9, 2014 at 7:35 pm -      #72

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=chzHiE3sG5o

    Here’s a list of her items, which grant additional abilities.

    4:02-4:30 is a pretty interesting one, since it allows her to spam her Wicked Weaves without delay.

    She’s also able to turn ethreal and take 0 damage for a second, and it doesn’t really have a cooldown.

    She can summon butterfly demons to tank hits for her.

    And demonic energy automatically strikes at opponents every time she evades an attack.
    These hits are strong enough to almost insta-kill the trash angels, who are still vastly superior to the Grey Knights i believe.

    Add all these defensive skills together, along with Witch Time & her natural durability… and i think she has a shot against a Thousand Grey Knights.
    Keep in mind a lot of the GK are likely to kill themselves with the spray from the guns.

    Bayonetta is also capable of doing the “Infernal Kiss”, which opens a portal to the Inferno and sucks in enemy bosses after Bayonetta defeats them at the end of Chapters.
    The only reason she can’t use this regularly is PiS, since she does it effortlessly & quickly.
    bayonetta.wikia.com/wiki/Infernal_Kiss
    It should suck it dozens of Grey Knights at a time.. Do they have a way to unBFR themselves from the Inferno?

    Bayonetta also has Infernal Weaves, which allow her to summon demons from the Inferno… But that likely isn’t going to help against the Grey Knights.

  73. wingedlion October 9, 2014 at 7:52 pm -      #73

    ” I might have missed any speed showings, she seems to walk around in the cutscenes. ”

    she moves at least faster than the eye can see.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh0Lpzi17fw&list=PLpQKq2sCPwjN-a3HzxbaSeW8HbFzbijQj&index=8
    at 15:00
    also she’s a lightning timer, since she can dodge attacks from fearless who uses natural lightning.
    here’s the description for fearless:

    “Fearless are classified as Dominions, the fourth rank amongst the hierarchy of angels. Controlling the lightning feared by many as the instrument of divine justice, Fearless make known the majesty of God to the masses. Almost all of the naturally occurring lightning in the world is a result of the actions of these angels. It is said that divine wrath against gluttons is released in the lightning’s flash, as the thunder signals Heaven’s roar”

    “Doesn’t look like they slowed it further in my opinion.
    The enemies were dropping down, which means they were falling at pretty high speeds. Once they landed, they were no longer moving as fast, since they were no longer under the effects of Gravity.
    Doesn’t suggest stacking time-slows…”

    you and i must be looking at two diffrent videos then, cause it was pretty clear that the angels were extremely slowed down. when you finally saw the purple color (signifying the time slow) appear on the area, not only was the rate in which their wings were flapping slowed down to an extreme rate, but you can see that the rate in which the second angel was coming down was slowed as well. not only that, but the noises the angels were making became slurred, which is what usually happens when time is slowed down.
    so yeah, it was pretty clear that she slowed down time.

  74. Warlock Lowk October 9, 2014 at 8:24 pm -      #74

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL4BwJFi-bo&list=PLl16eXL_VAAhAqrnJfhHd-M7KR6r6DSCj&index=8
    4:03 summons pretty quicly to catch an attack.

  75. Alpha or Omega October 9, 2014 at 8:31 pm -      #75

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwrn8DL7t9U#t=955
    Here you go.

  76. Ragnorke October 9, 2014 at 8:34 pm -      #76

    @Wingedlion
    Ah yes, i started watching the vid late… totally missed that burst of purple.
    Regardless, the second slow was used by Jeanne, implying it may take 2 different people casting 2 different Witch Times in order for them to canonically stack.

  77. Warlock Lowk October 9, 2014 at 9:03 pm -      #77

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFA-_4sRoGA&index=9&list=PLl16eXL_VAAhAqrnJfhHd-M7KR6r6DSCj
    10:43
    Another vs Luman Sage. Dodges her own bullets after they’ve been moved so they are coming at here.

  78. LoLz October 12, 2014 at 11:00 am -      #78

    I know Bayonetta, but I’m sad to say that she kicks as much or even less ass than a single Grey Knight (ahem… Kaldor Draigo)

  79. Guardian Dualgunner M1911A1 October 14, 2014 at 3:56 pm -      #79

    Oh Bayo 2. I want you, but I can’t buy a Wii U.

  80. pimpmage October 14, 2014 at 6:08 pm -      #80

    Stupid companies will not change with the times. Never port to PC. I am still waiting on the latest GTA port.

  81. Cassie Hack October 14, 2014 at 6:49 pm -      #81

    So glad I do have a WiiU

  82. creyzi4j October 22, 2014 at 4:30 am -      #82

    @ I know Bayonetta, but I’m sad to say that she kicks as much or even less ass than a single Grey Knight (ahem… Kaldor Draigo)
    = OH SHUT THE FUCK UP! It’s already been decided that Bayonetta wins this match. Go get your wank outta here fanboy!

  83. PrimarchVulkan November 8, 2014 at 11:59 am -      #83

    Man I am the largest fan of Warhammer 40k, but I know the facts, especially since each universe is stronger in there own way. I don’t know much about Bayonetta but from what I read:
    She wins first and second scenario.
    50/50 on the third and on the fourth the Grey Knights would win by a very small margin, with like a damn servitor still alive. And whoever put math into this, stop using google…

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