Link & Cloud Strife Vs Lion-O

Link & Cloud Strife Vs Lion-O

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Here we have Link (Legend of Zelda) and Cloud Strife (Final Fantasy VII) facing off against Lion-O (1985 Thundercats) in a 3 round battle.

Round 1: Link is allowed his Master Sword, Julian Shield, and Golden Gauntlets. Cloud is allowed his Buster Sword, and Lion-O is only allowed his Sword of Omens and Claw Shield.

Round2: Link is allowed his Master Sword Mirror Shield, Heroes Bow (Fire,Ice, & Light Arrows), Gale Boomerang, Bombs, Double Clawshots, Megaton Hammer, Ocarina of Time, Din’s Fire, Farore’s Wind, Nayru’s Love, Golden Gauntlets, Pegasus boots(w/Rock Feather), Red Ring, and Magic Cape. Link is also all his Sword Moves from Twilight Princess plus 4 bottles (2 Fairies, Elixer Soup, and chateau Romani)

Cloud is allowed Buster Sword, Ziedrich Armor, and Ribbon. He is allowed the following Materia: Firaga, Blizaga, Thundaga, and Reflectga. He is also allowed 1 summonin: Bahamut. Cloud is also allowed all his Limit Breaks.

Lion-O is allowed his Sword of Omens/Claw Shield and is permitted all his abilities except his Tractor Beam ability.

Round 3: Composite Link and Composite Cloud vs. Lion-O (tractor beam allowed.)

Location: Hyrule Field (Twilight Princess).

Winner by Death Only. Best winner of 2/3 rounds wins.

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61 Comments on "Link & Cloud Strife Vs Lion-O"

  1. Ellie Williams September 22, 2014 at 6:52 am -      #1

    Link and Cloud stomp all 3 matches in my opinion.

  2. Commander Cross September 22, 2014 at 7:47 am -      #2

    I sense that this fight has potential to take a while, or be a lopsided matter in favor of one side or the other.

    Well if it has Link and Cloud together, it’s gonna be zany and I’m not sure if the latest Zelda-related game to arrive in the next few days will be included either.
    I’ve been worn out and just woke up at a bad time, so I am going to be tolerant.

  3. Friendlysociopath September 22, 2014 at 8:09 am -      #3

    So, Lion-O had better be really damn strong. I know nothing about him but he had better possess some mega hax to beat both of these characters at once.
    Can Lion-O even beat either of his enemies 1v1?

    Cause Round 3 is a landslide loss for him between composite Link and Cloud.

    Thinking Round 2 is massive loss for him as well.

    And unless he had some supremely epic combat feats, I don’t see him winning a 1v2 in the first Round either.

  4. Ninja Xtreme September 22, 2014 at 8:37 am -      #4

    This is a megastomp. Also, what’s a Julian Shield?

  5. Tails111 September 22, 2014 at 10:00 am -      #5

    Lion-O should have been from the recent anime series, he was much stronger than the 80s cartoon.

  6. Amm0vamp1r3 September 22, 2014 at 10:20 am -      #6

  7. Friendlysociopath September 22, 2014 at 10:27 am -      #7

    Oh right, guess we should mention why Link and Cloud seem to win.
    BTW OP did you mean to type Hylian shield?

    Round 1
    Cloud has the durability to fall at terminal velocity and be completely unharmed, he is fast enough to move his 300 pound-ish sword to block bullets and possesses enough strength to cleave straight through concrete and steel with no noticeable resistance.
    Link has his Golden Gauntlets, which puts his strength on par with Clouds at the least. Depending on incarnation he is also capable of firing beams of energy from his sword. I think he has the Hylian shield, which is unbreakable by most methods.
    Summary: Unless Lion-O has the speed to deal with Cloud and the strength to deal with either of them, he’s losing this and all subsequent rounds.

    Round 2
    Link gets a crap-ton of goodies here, at the least I believe he makes himself immortal for a short duration. Cloud also now has his limit breaks, allowing him to either just kill his opponent (Final Touch) or blitz them at speeds bullet-timers can barely follow (Omnislash).
    Again, Lion-O had better have some hellishly impressive combat feats.

    Round 3
    Rape Round.
    You’d need one hell of a speed advantage to even touch either Cloud or Link in this scenario. Even a tractor-beam probably will have no effect since Cloud can alter gravity.

  8. Warlock Lowk September 22, 2014 at 11:30 am -      #8

    ” Unless Lion-O has the speed to deal with Cloud and the strength to deal with either of them, he’s losing this and all subsequent rounds.”

    Strength wise I think he’s in there ballpark. See Amm0 video @8:00 where they show him pulling a giant space ship trying to escape.
    I think speed is where Lion-O is lacking.

  9. Commander Cross September 22, 2014 at 12:05 pm -      #9

    @Warlock Lowk at #8

    If Lion-O’s got the Combat and Reaction Speeds, or he’s got the right tools and gadgets, he may have a chance.

    The problem with the next 2 rounds?
    Link and Cloud each had to fight worse opponents than Lion-O and while I doubt Mumm-Ra’s a wimp or wuss, Link and Cloud each fought More Powerful Foes than Mumm-Ra.*

    1.) (I’m talking Numbers-wise not preferences at the moment, though Army-vs-Army matches with Mumm-Ra could be amazing.)

  10. Jake_Uzumaki September 22, 2014 at 12:25 pm -      #10

    Round 1, if it was just Link, Lion-O either version would give Link a good duel and whoever won would know they were in a fight.
    Cloud makes it a stomp for team 1 though as two people that would give Lion-O a good fight or put him on the defensive is too much.

    From there it just gets worse. Because only 2011 Lion-O has any hax capable of keeping up with team 1 and even that would be an uphill battle for him.

  11. Nobunaga Jin September 22, 2014 at 1:46 pm -      #11

    I grew up with videogames, so naturally, I lean more toward Link and Cloud on this one.

    On the other hand, my knowledge of Lion-O is scarce, so I would humbly ask for some more information on him and his equipment. Especially the equipment, because I heard somewhere that the Sword of Omens is extremely powerful.

  12. Friendlysociopath September 22, 2014 at 4:20 pm -      #12

    Alright, drawing this from a wiki::
    Lion-O has:
    The Sword of Omens
    – When ‘activated’ the power surge can break through the Earth’s crust?
    – Indestructible sword
    – Able to slice stone and steel with ease
    – Energy blasts of varying power
    – Also some regenerative properties when activated- most likely related to curing mind-trickery on fellow Thundercats
    – Relies on spoken commands
    – Interestingly, the eye part of the blade (the power source) can be disabled by being hit or obscured
    `
    Claw Shield:
    – Very durable
    – Grappling hook/lasso function
    – Can store smoke bombs
    – Can be used to punch and claw
    `
    So, that said.
    Round 1 likely going to Cloud and Link as it appears to be a pure sword-fight and 2v1 is difficult at best.
    Round 2 I’m still giving to Link and Cloud as Link gets all sorts of equipment to play with and Cloud’s limit breaks become available.
    Round 3… I still have no idea what this tractor beam attack is; composite Link is a monster and Cloud with a good materia setup is a force to be reckoned with.

  13. Nobunaga Jin September 22, 2014 at 4:47 pm -      #13

    Well here’s a link to a video that shows some of the Sword of Omens’ powers. Not all of them, but it’s something.



    I took a look at the Death Battle description of the “Tractor Beam” the sword had, but I still don’t understand how it works. To me, it looks like it just moves anything it hits. If that’s the case, then unless that sword can shoot two beams simultaneously at different targets, I don’t see how Lion-O wouldn’t just get attacked by the other fighter while he’s using it in round 3.
    Keep in mind, that’s assuming that he uses it at all during that round.

    Also, I wanna see a clash between Link’s Clawshots and Lion-O’s Claw Shield!

  14. Amm0vamp1r3 September 22, 2014 at 4:53 pm -      #14

    Yeah this is pretty much a stomp on all fronts not properly balanced in the slightest.

  15. Nobunaga Jin September 22, 2014 at 5:00 pm -      #15

    @Amm0vamp1r3
    I don’t know, the sword seems to have a bunch of abilities that could help Lion-O, but the fact that he’s facing against two extremely skilled warriors with a larger variety of equipment and power does seem like he’s at a disadvantage.

  16. Amm0vamp1r3 September 22, 2014 at 5:10 pm -      #16

    @Nobunaga
    Yeah that’s my point, Lion-O is strong enough to give either one of these dudes a good fight. So 1v1 this would have been a good debate but 2 v 1 breaks it.

    then take into account the scenarios

    1) that’s pretty good and makes the fight closer even though he is out numbered. Cutting down on link and clouds arsenal makes it better

    2) Now it gets out of his league and it becomes stompy, they get a lot of powers and gear. and Lion-O just gets all his powers except 1

    3) Now this is just out of hand, instead of giving them more of their gear and powers he just makes it composite 2 vs Full power 1. My opinon make it composite full power 1 vs Full power 2

    But that’s just my opinion feel free to correct me on my faulty points

  17. Nobunaga Jin September 22, 2014 at 5:33 pm -      #17

    Okay, I need a definition for what “Composite” means when it’s applied to characters. Anyone care to help?

  18. Friendlysociopath September 22, 2014 at 5:52 pm -      #18

    “Okay, I need a definition for what “Composite” means when it’s applied to characters. Anyone care to help?”

    Alright, so you know how the BankGambling rule is ‘latest incarnation’? That means we use the latest instance of the character when the character has retcons or rewrites. In the case of Link, every Zelda game is a different Link- so each has its own incarnation. Unlike say Halo where Master Chief is and always will be the same Master Chief.

    ‘Composite’ is a term used to mean a character with everything associated with said character, regardless of incarnation. This matters for Link because only Composite Link has access to every piece of equipment and power throughout the entire Zelda franchise. Otherwise the Link’s abilities and equipment would be based only on his latest incarnation, which will soon become the army-hack-and-slash Link.

    Composite Cloud is not a thing, there is only one version of Cloud- I imagine the OP just used it to mean “Cloud has everything he can have”, which I believe was debated to be superior to Composite Link on this site.

  19. Nobunaga Jin September 22, 2014 at 6:03 pm -      #19

    Firstly, @Friendlysociopath, it’s an actual thing right now. It was released in Japan, and someone already made a walkthrough for it.

    Here’s an example vid:

    (EDIT: oops. That’s a vid using Zelda)


    Secondly, I guess I should give my thoughts on the rounds as well.

    ROUND 1: Like Amm0vamp1r3 said, it’s much more of a fair fight. Assuming that the Buster Sword is made of Steel (please correct me if I’m mistaken), then Cloud could be disarmed if he clashes with Lion-O and the Sword of Omens.
    The Master sword, on the other hand, might be made of a pure metal, which I don’t know if the Sword of Omens could cut through. I don’t see much use of the Golden Gauntlets in this battlefield (maybe Link could throw boulders or something), but it’s there if Link ever needs to use them.
    I don’t know how fast Lion-O from the 1985 Thundercats is, but he’d still be up against two very agile fighters.

    ROUND 2: Given that some of the Sword of Omens’ powers are voice activated, and some are just useless in this fight, I’d assume that Lion-O would have to rely on more than just his sword in this round. Even then, Cloud and Link have a lot of equipment, abilities, and powers in this round, so it’s likely that Lion-O will be overwhelmed. (I really wanna see Lion-O face off against Bahamut now)

    ROUND 3: Now that I know what “composite” is (thanks, Friendlysociopath!), I still say that Cloud and Link take the round. Like I said before, unless the sword can use two tractor beams simultaneously, nothing would stop the other fighter from attacking Lion-O. The massive increase in their abilities, Powers, and equipment have me feeling like Lion-O would definitely be overwhelmed.

  20. Friendlysociopath September 22, 2014 at 6:44 pm -      #20

    “Assuming that the Buster Sword is made of Steel (please correct me if I’m mistaken), then Cloud could be disarmed if he clashes with Lion-O and the Sword of Omens.”

    We’re actually never told what the Buster Sword or the later Fusion Blades are made of. However, I’m confident in saying it isn’t steel- observe the battle Genesis vs Angeal vs Sephiroth, both swords can take Sephiroth’s attacks and not break. Whatever they’re made of, it does not break easily.

  21. Nobunaga Jin September 22, 2014 at 6:53 pm -      #21

    “observe the battle Genesis vs Angeal vs Sephiroth, both swords can take Sephiroth’s attacks and not break. Whatever they’re made of, it does not break easily.”

    You’re probably right, because when I talked about the Buster Sword possibly being made of steel, I was going off of the original video game. It being weaker than a myth rip sword kinda added to that.

    I forgot that gameplay logic doesn’t work here. My bad.

    In any case, it still looks like Cloud and Link wins in all three rounds, unless the rules are changed a bit, or a logical fan of Thundercats can provide some more information that may benefit Lion-O.

  22. Nobunaga Jin September 22, 2014 at 7:05 pm -      #22

    *mythril* not Myth rip!

  23. Cole September 22, 2014 at 9:30 pm -      #23

    Hello. This is the OP here. To answer some questions: 1. Yes, I meant to type hylian shield (damned autocorrect). 2. The reason Link has the Golden Gauntlets is to even out the strength difference between him and Lion-O.

    OK here let me even out the 3 rounds:
    Round 1. Link and Cloud are only allowed to fight Lion-O one at a time.

    Round 2. Link and Cloud are still permitted the set equipment I gave them only now allowed his Tractor Beam.

    Round 1. Link and Cloud are still both Composites but now Lion-O is allowed to call upon Tygra, Panthro, and Cheetara for back up.

  24. Nobunaga Jin September 22, 2014 at 9:57 pm -      #24

    Ah. Thank you, Cole. With your changes, it now seems more even. One question though:
    For Round 1, do both Cloud and Link have to win their respective fights with Lion-O? Or does only one of them need to win to secure the 1st Round’s victory?

    With the new terms of the 3rd Round, information on Tygra, Panthro, and Cheetara is now needed in order to find a result for the 3rd Round. I’ll see what I can find, but I cannot guarantee that I’ll find any specific data about their physical capabilities.

  25. Cole September 22, 2014 at 10:17 pm -      #25

    @Nobunaga Jin, to answer your first question, only 1 of them needs to win in order to secure victory for the first round. And to clear up Lion-O is allowed his tractor beam for Round 2.
    Here are the basics of the other Thundercats: Tygra can turn Invisible, Panthro is strong enough to pick up a small tank, and Cheetara can run 120 mph but only in short sprints.

  26. Nobunaga Jin September 22, 2014 at 11:00 pm -      #26

    @Cole Thank you for the information.

    Okay, I’ve done a little digging on the equipment that Tygra, Panthro, and Cheetara have with them.

    Tygra uses a Bolo Whip which is a cross between a whip and a Bolas. This whip was strong enough to shatter the Sword of Omens once, and can extend to great lengths. So far as I can tell, this whip is the only reason why Tygra can turn invisible, and even then he needs to wrap the whip around himself in order to activate that ability.
    I’ve never watched the 1985 show (or the 2011 show for that matter), so I don’t know if he can still fight effectively while retaining invisibility.

    Panthro wields special Nunchucks, with one stick colored Red and the other colored Blue. When used up close, Panthro attempts to use them in a way that would confuse opponents.
    When at a distance, the nunchucks can be used to shoot out energy pellets (from the Blue stick) and gases/chemicals (from the Red stick).
    I don’t know which gases or chemicals are used, and I haven’t found what effect they have on opponents. Hopefully someone else would know those answers.
    Additionally, his attire involves chest bands with spikes on them. These spikes can be used as projectiles and/or rappelling lines.

    Cheetara wields a special Bo Staff (or a Baton if you want to call it that) that can supposedly extend to any length she wants it to (Power Pole EXTEND!) and can be used to shoot out energy beams.

    Keep in mind that they don’t just rely on their weapons, as they have some notable abilities of their own.

    Like I’ve said before, I’ve never watched the cartoons, so I don’t know if I missed or incorrectly stated anything about their equipment. If I have, please correct me.

  27. Cole September 22, 2014 at 11:15 pm -      #27

    Sorry, I just read my comment, what I meant to write is Lion-O is allowed to call the other Thundercats in round 3 not 1.

  28. Nobunaga Jin September 22, 2014 at 11:18 pm -      #28

    No problem. I actually thought it said Round 3 the first time I read your post. :)

  29. Friendlysociopath September 22, 2014 at 11:40 pm -      #29

    OK, OP posted at comment #23, noted

    So, with changes given…
    Round 1
    A lot closer now that it isn’t 2v1. However, does Lion-O possess speed feats capable of keeping up with either Cloud or Link? Cloud is a bullet timer and Link is an arrow timer at least. Strength appears to be close enough between everyone that it will not prove a vital factor. However I believe both members of Team 1 have greater speed feats. Also, Lion-O is referenced extremely often to have a child’s mindset, granting Cloud and Link a distinct experience advantage as both are much cooler under pressure than Lion-O and have years more of training.

    Round 2
    Still don’t know how that Tractor Beam works… the wikis are sadly lacking. That said, Link fans the world over will go on about how the items given make him immortal for 3 days, which is pretty damning in a fight. Cloud’s materia is negligible for this round- but his Limit Breaks make up for it by allowing him access to magic that instantly defeats his opponent (Finishing Touch), grants him access to a stronger attack (Braver knocked Bahumat SIN clean out of the sky) and will briefly let him strike from all directions at speeds a bullet timer cannot follow (Omnislash version 5 or 6).

    Round 3 is a whole new ball game.
    So it’s now 4 Thundercats vs Link and Cloud? Honestly, still giving this one to Team 1. Cloud potentially can solo the Thundercats. Composite Link might have a decent shot as well. Final Fantasy has some of the most hax magic in video-gaming. Here’s one setup: All-Time. Cloud can now freeze all of the Thundercats in time. That’s just one materia combination. Cloud can also kill them all via magic, transform them all into frogs, or just bombard them with status effects. I’m sure Composite Link has plenty of his own tricks but mostly people just go on about how Composite Link can’t die.

    Round 1 is the only round I give Lion-O a slight chance in, Rounds 2 and 3 still go to Link and Cloud.

  30. OriginalA September 22, 2014 at 11:40 pm -      #30

    Hyrule Warriors isn’t going to be canon to the main Zelda series. It’s going to be placed in the non-canon side game section with games like Freshly Picked Tingleland, Zelda CDI games, and G&W Zelda.

    www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2014/06/11/eiji-aonuma-addresses-hyrule-warriors-place-in-the-zelda-timeline.aspx

    Aonuma uses a bad analogy that likens Hyrule Warriors to The Avengers immediately after he says that it doesn’t exist in the main canon.

    So, it is an official game, but not a canon game. Current canon Link is still ALBW. Zelda WiiU should be coming in 2015 though.

  31. Friendlysociopath September 25, 2014 at 2:57 pm -      #31

    Just out of curiosity, this says the battlefield is near Hyrule Fields… is there any wildcard forces in that area? Evil enemies against Link or allies that would come to his aid?

  32. Cole September 25, 2014 at 3:30 pm -      #32

    @Friendlysociopath, nope it’s just Link, Cloud, and Lion-O (and the Thundercats in round 3).

  33. Cole September 27, 2014 at 10:43 pm -      #33

    OK, I declare the RPG Heroes, Link and Cloud the winners.

    Round 1: no matter who Lion-O faces, defeat is certain. Team 1’s superior speed, greater experience/intelligence, and debatably better swordsman skill guarantee their victory, although Lion-O will put up a fight.

    Round 2: The fight ends as soon as Cloud performed Final Touch or Omnislash.

    Round 3: Cloud can solo the entire Thundercats team. Link can potentially solo.

    Does anyone else agree with the decision?

  34. Friendlysociopath September 27, 2014 at 10:52 pm -      #34

    Yep, pretty much.

  35. Cole September 27, 2014 at 10:57 pm -      #35

    What a shame, I was hoping Lion-O would’ve put up a better fight, but oh well.

  36. Friendlysociopath September 27, 2014 at 11:20 pm -      #36

    “What a shame, I was hoping Lion-O would’ve put up a better fight, but oh well.”

    You probably should’ve put him in a 1v1 vs a relatively light opponent to see how well he does. Putting him against a single incarnation of Link might have worked out quite well, but throwing both Cloud and Composite Link at someone is pretty harsh treatment. Cloud has his Final Fantasy hax magic and Composite Link is immortal for 3 days unless you blitz him or can undo his magic.

  37. Cole September 27, 2014 at 11:32 pm -      #37

    I guess that was my fault because I was a huge Thundercats fan back in the 90s, seriously I idolized Lion-O but I guess I underestimated Team RPG’s capabilities.

    The way I see Link soloing in R3 is him freezing time and blasting Team 2 with the Thunder Spell, Not spell, or bombos medallion.

  38. Cole September 27, 2014 at 11:58 pm -      #38

    in my last comment I meant to say Bot spell.

  39. Friendlysociopath September 28, 2014 at 12:03 am -      #39

    Like I said, choose a low-tier character for him to face and work your way up. I’m given to understand most people throw their character at Master Chief, a specific incarnation of Link that can’t become immortal, or Batman to see if they can proceed further against stronger opponents.

  40. Cole September 28, 2014 at 12:10 am -      #40

    Thanks for the advice

  41. Belisaurius September 28, 2014 at 11:01 pm -      #41

    Team 1 may have some teamwork issues as Cloud is a whiny teenage and therefor never listens while Link is the original Heroic Mute.

    I’m just saying ’cause Lion-o needs every edge he can get.

  42. Cole September 28, 2014 at 11:17 pm -      #42

    @Belisaurius wouldn’t that fall under CIS which (I think) is usually removed for these kind of debates like Superman/Batman/Aang refusing to kill?

  43. Belisaurius September 28, 2014 at 11:30 pm -      #43

    @Cole

    Not at all. It’s assumed that the characters are properly motivated to fight to the death.

    Character Induced Stupidity is a perfectly valid argument as you can use it to claim one side can outsmart the other or take advantage over their opponent’s personality flaws.

  44. Friendlysociopath September 28, 2014 at 11:50 pm -      #44

    Except the argument that Cloud is emo is stupid as all hell and only ever gets brought up because he wears black.

  45. Ragnorke September 29, 2014 at 2:16 am -      #45

    CiS is always active in a match unless it DIRECTLY goes against match rules.
    Team mates struggling to worth together seems viable enough… although… Cloud has worked with others before.

  46. Belisaurius September 29, 2014 at 8:10 am -      #46

    It would also be more of an issue if both members of team 1 weren’t capable of soloing Lion-o

  47. Zazax September 29, 2014 at 8:21 am -      #47

    “Team 1 may have some teamwork issues as Cloud is a whiny teenage and therefor never listens while Link is the original Heroic Mute.”
    First off, Cloud’s current incarnation is 24, and even in the original FF7 he’s 21. So there goes the teenager part.
    Secondly, his ‘whininess’ is *greatly* over-exaggerated from the first game (to the point where I don’t actually know how he got stereotyped as such), and exists in AC because he’s depressed over the fact that he’s slowly dying from a terminal disease, which he’s cured of at the end, and over the deaths of some of his friends, which he similarly gets over. Tifa spends half the movie helping him get over it. So Cloud’s fine.
    He was unanimously voted leader of his group at Cosmo Canyon, for God’s sake. Which they wouldn’t do if he was a whiny teenager who never listens.

    “Except the argument that Cloud is emo is stupid as all hell and only ever gets brought up because he wears black.”
    This too.

  48. Friendlysociopath September 29, 2014 at 8:28 am -      #48

    I wonder if Link has telepathy, he never says a word- yet people know exactly what he’s saying… or we could give him the voice from his cartoon, take your pick.
    Edit: Does anyone else find it disturbing that the person Cloud is so depressed for letting die keeps pooping into his head to chat with him?

  49. Cole September 29, 2014 at 8:41 am -      #49

    @Belisaurius yeah….that was my fault, the Thundercats fanboy in me overestimated Lion-O’s capabilities. I always saw the Sword of Omens as a sword that could literally do anything (which I guess is a no limits fallacy), but. I never finished Final Fantasy VII (never played crisis core or Dissidia for that matter), and the only Zelda games I ever played and finished were OoT,ALttP, TP, and Minish Cap (the only reason I know of the set gear I gave Link, is because I have seen enough Link debates to know what his best gear is). Like I said, it is a real shame that Lion-O couldn’t have put up a better fight.

  50. Cole September 29, 2014 at 8:51 am -      #50

    @Friendlysociopath can we give Link a more tolerable voice like maybe Jamie Bell’s, Toby McGuire’s, or Elijah Wood’s maybe?

  51. Ragnorke September 29, 2014 at 9:07 am -      #51

    how would the match end in a free-for-all?

  52. Cole September 29, 2014 at 9:11 am -      #52

    @Ragnorke probably like this…
    1: Cloud
    2: Link
    3: Thundercats

  53. Friendlysociopath September 29, 2014 at 9:43 am -      #53

    @Rag
    Well Cloud beat Composite Link here, and multiple opponents don’t really change the hax of Final Fantasy magic, unless there were a lot more than were ever on-screen for FF7 in which case you do need a slight bit of proof he could use the magic on all of them.

    A couple of pages in the Link vs Cloud debate were people trying to prove Cloud wouldn’t use materia out of CIS, which was disproved. The first thing he does once he knows there’s a threat is try to go and get them.

    Now, Link vs Lion-O looks like a closer and far more interesting match, depending on incarnation of course. Twilight Princess didn’t seem too broken with equipment, I have no idea, I’ve only played the 1st game.

  54. GabrielusPrime October 4, 2014 at 11:22 pm -      #54

    What about the 2011 show’s magic gem thingies? If I remember correctly, the gem in the Sword of Omens hilt (the “Eye of Thundera”) is actually the “War Stone”, part of a set of four gems that Mumm-Ra had… Lion-O’s ancestor Leo stole it, used it to create the sword, and fought Mumm-Ra (possibly taking more mid-fight, the episode with the fight didn’t actually have Leo, just Lion-O reliving his ancestors history Assassins Creed-style, so what’s seen there may not be accurate). The others give other powers when added to the claw gauntlet…

  55. Cole October 4, 2014 at 11:38 pm -      #55

    @GabrielusPrime yes, many people have said that 2011 Lion-O would’ve been better for this fight but sadly I’ve never seen the 2011 Thundercats, so I’m in the dark about his [2011 Lion-O] capabilities; is he really that more Hax than his 1985 counterpart?

  56. GabrielusPrime October 5, 2014 at 12:08 am -      #56

    I don’t know, because (and this is ironic) I’ve never seen the 1985 version…

  57. Cole October 5, 2014 at 7:14 pm -      #57

    @GabrielusPrime that is unfortunate… I hate doing this so late in debate (especially when its practically over) but would it help if help if I made Lion-O and the Thundercats composite?

  58. GabrielusPrime October 5, 2014 at 7:32 pm -      #58

    Maybe, I don’t know. Composite characters, to my understanding, have the skills and equipment of both, which means I might still need info on the 1985 version… Another problem is that the 2011 was cancelled before the story was even half-way done, so even I, who have seen all but two episodes, don’t have complete knowledge of the canon story, nor would anyone else for that matter…

  59. Friendlysociopath December 12, 2014 at 6:48 pm -      #59

    It suddenly dawned on me that Composite Cloud does indeed exist- and is probably 5x stronger than regular Cloud. Since this is the only instance I’ve seen of someone using Composite Cloud I will leave the info here.

    Why you may ask? Three words-
    Final Fantasy Tactics.
    Cloud makes a universal crossing to that game via space and time fuckery and can gain almost every ability that game has to offer. Better yet, there’s no reason he can’t use them all at once. The game limits you to abilities from two classes but that is game mechanics.

    So, in addition to Cloud’s normal abilities, Composite Cloud can:
    (Somewhat steeped in game mechanics mind you)
    Fly
    Teleport instantly
    Walk on water
    Walk on lava
    Regain health and magic just by moving

    Block swords and bullets with his bare hands
    Automatically heal himself when he is attacked
    Cast a spell to raise himself from the dead whenever he is hit (No cast time)
    Turn invisible
    When attacked with magic can return exact same magic on caster
    Whenever he is attacked he will return half of the damage back to the attacker

    And adding to his repertoire of attacks-
    He now has access to all Monk fighting arts, meaning he can produce shockwaves with his attacks, heal himself of any ailment simply by concentrating on doing so, strike an enemy once and kill them by targeting pressure points, and can revive KO’d party members just by yelling loudly.
    He can use attacks that vary by terrain, including the ability to rend space and time so long as he is on soil.
    And he can absorb the health of units he attacks.
    So yeah, Composite Cloud actually does exist, my mistake.

  60. LadyRamkin December 12, 2014 at 7:05 pm -      #60

    Composite cloud also gets Kingdom Hearts abilities.

  61. Friendlysociopath December 12, 2014 at 7:11 pm -      #61

    Yeah but those aren’t really different than what he already has in his FF7 series, which was why I disregarded them when the topic of Composite Cloud was brought up.
    Him being in Tactics totally skipped my mind until recently, and it gives him a lot of new abilities.
    Doesn’t change the outcome of the match mind you, but I thought it should be mentioned that Composite Cloud does exist.

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