Tyranids Vs Godzilla Defense Force

Tyranids Vs Godzilla Defense Force

Suggested by Sauroposeidon

A match straight out of the Toho multi-verse. Instead of featuring Godzilla, though, this time we’re featuring the humans, using the Global Defense Force originally introduced in the video games.

Any vehicles the humans have ever fielded in their various showings through out the Toho Multiverse (games, movies, and books) are allowed, from the Gotego to Kiryu to Super X to Jet Jaguar. They also have access to their Mutants from Godzilla Final Wars.

The Tyranids (Warhammer 40K) are invading Earth and Japan finds itself surrounded, and possibly the last country left standing. Can the island nation stand with its army of mechanized kaiju and super vehicles? Or will they be swept beneath the tsunami of hungry alien flesh that is now washing over their shores in an all consuming wave?

Stipulations:

No Space Combat. For the GDF this also means no orbital striking with the Dimension Tide. If it isn’t in atmosphere then then it won’t engage in any battles. Ships which can fly in space or were originally intended to will remain in atmosphere whenever possible. This is to prevent the GDF from winning via blowing up the planet and leaving it to avoid destruction.

200 kilometers past the shores of Japan is a no combat zone. Tyranids may come in, but once in they can not leave. Targets outside of this zone may not attack. Targets outside of the zone may also not be attacked. Japan’s navy, and all of the GDF forces are considered to already be with in the zone.

This is a standard Tyranid invasion. Not their entire bio-mass. The scenario is intended to depict a typical invasion.

Psychics are permitted on the GDF side as seen during the heisei era films.

When the Tyranids finally give up on Japan or are all dead, the GDF wins. When all humans are dead (or converted through some horrible, nightmarish tyranid means), the Tyranids win.

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84 Comments on "Tyranids Vs Godzilla Defense Force"

  1. Rookie September 28, 2014 at 11:32 am -      #1

    Awesome match!

    Damn, I really want GDF to win…
    But Tyranids have some psykers, no? And AFAIK GoDF never develop any anti-psy weapons and armors…

    Still in manga GDF had like 6 or 7 (one was taken down by SpaceG, three by Burning G, and 2 by Destoroyah and we know that 2 more were not finished) Mogueras, and we saw as single Moguera took down MechaG with a single hit…
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    Manga GDF allowed or no?

  2. Sauroposeidon September 28, 2014 at 12:01 pm -      #2

    My primary thought concerning Tyranids and their psychic abilities and conversion to their side was.. “What would happen if they infiltrated the mecha pilot corps?”

    Also..

    I also always knew MOGUERA was way stronger than MechaGodzilla II but I always figured it’d of beamed it to death. That Maser/G-Buster thing in its chest is WAY bigger than the one in MechaGodzilla’s mouth.

    It’s a chimeric version of the GDF since TOHO seems to change what vehicles are available with every movie, game and comic. If Earth has used it, consider it available to them. Except for space-only elements like Dimension Tide. Ironically, this means some of the comically ineffective mecha are also available, like the useless Cybersaurus.

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    Also!

    Rather sad that the beautifully painted models picture I’d selected for the Tyranids was not used. Those things were gorgeous.

  3. Rookie September 28, 2014 at 12:19 pm -      #3

    @Sauroposeidon

    “I also always knew MOGUERA was way stronger than MechaGodzilla II but I always figured it’d of beamed it to death. That Maser/G-Buster thing in its chest is WAY bigger than the one in MechaGodzilla’s mouth.”

    Moguera may be more durable than MechaG in manga (survived island destruction and was intact)
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    “My primary thought concerning Tyranids and their psychic abilities and conversion to their side was.. “What would happen if they infiltrated the mecha pilot corps?””

    I know that GDF developted a mecha suits, which allowed pilots with psy abilities to operate several mechas at once (since for some odd reason it was easier to replace mecha than the pilot), I’l try to find the scan, but such strategy will not work here IMO, cause psy shownings in GDF were always low. Even compared to tyranids.
    GDF does however have nice army as we saw in G vs Biollante.
    But they just don’t have enough troops.

  4. Aelfinn September 28, 2014 at 12:20 pm -      #4

    Jet Jaguar solos, if only due to his sick battle poses.

  5. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 28, 2014 at 12:25 pm -      #5

    I think that Absolute Zero Weapon equipped units will be invaluable.

  6. OberHerr September 28, 2014 at 1:38 pm -      #6

    A standard Tyranid attack is the a whole fleet converging on one spot, and constantly remaking their troops through gathered resources and reused biomass.

    So….if they have taken Earth, except for Japan, and they have the entirety of a fleet swarming over Earth…..I mean, they could win by suicide bombing Japan. They’ve made explosive Tyranid-variants before. Some kinda interesting ideas besides too would be to send some Genestealers in to take over some of the populace, as well as Psykers to mass-wipe out groups.

  7. pimpmage September 28, 2014 at 1:43 pm -      #7

    Tyranids need not even enter the field of battle. They could send in waves of genestealers to infect the human population over decades. Heck, tyranids could just be a diversion for this to occur. Also, typical tyranid splinter fleet invasions happen over multiple solar systems. Do we go with that or just a single solar system worth of biomass?

  8. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 28, 2014 at 1:48 pm -      #8

    I think the Defense force has enough firepower, but just not the numbers to deal with the thousands of Nids that would be on each mecha’s asses, and even the best of the Final Wars mutants couldn’t keep up with the hordes.

    There’s the Keizer power, yeah, but it’s pretty unquantifiable.

  9. OberHerr September 28, 2014 at 1:52 pm -      #9

    “with the thousands of Nids that would be on each mecha’s asses”

    billions*

  10. Jake_Uzumaki September 28, 2014 at 2:06 pm -      #10

    GDF starts to lose…then Godzilla wakes up and starts wrecking the Tyranids, the GDF rallies their remaining forces and alongside the King of the Monsters send the Tyranids packing.

  11. OberHerr September 28, 2014 at 2:07 pm -      #11

    I mean the Tyranids need just one big break through moment to overrun and wipe out Japan. The GDF can win decades of victories and still not be much closer to wiping out the ‘Nids.

  12. OberHerr September 28, 2014 at 2:17 pm -      #12

    And Godzilla is great and all, but this is a force that can swarm over planets. And there in is the problem for the GDF. They can’t defend literally all sides of Japan, Air, Land, Sea, and even Underground, all at once, as well as genestealer cults and psyker attacks.

  13. Jake_Uzumaki September 28, 2014 at 2:20 pm -      #13

    It’s Godzilla, he stops invasions like this for a living.

  14. Rookie September 28, 2014 at 2:29 pm -      #14

    @Jake_Uzumaki

    “It’s Godzilla, he stops invasions like this for a living.”

    Godzilla is not here, nor he is part of the GDF though.

  15. OberHerr September 28, 2014 at 2:31 pm -      #15

    Good for him. He’s still not able to be in all of Japan at once. Even if he was here. Which he isn’t.

  16. Friendlysociopath September 28, 2014 at 2:49 pm -      #16

    Can we get some sort of measurement of how quickly the Tyranids can create more of themselves?

  17. pimpmage September 28, 2014 at 3:01 pm -      #17

    “Can we get some sort of measurement of how quickly the Tyranids can create more of themselves?”

    Within a day or so max. This takes into account of dying and being sent back to ground from orbit too.

  18. Friendlysociopath September 28, 2014 at 3:40 pm -      #18

    “Within a day or so max. This takes into account of dying and being sent back to ground from orbit too.”

    I meant like X units per hour or day, it would be nice to have some idea of how many need to die in a given space of time. Thus far I’ve seen billions to a thousand- bit of a large space for vagueness there.

  19. The definition of insanity (panda) September 28, 2014 at 5:37 pm -      #19

    “I meant like X units per hour or day, it would be nice to have some idea of how many need to die in a given space of time. Thus far I’ve seen billions to a thousand- bit of a large space for vagueness there.”

    The problem is that the lore is very vauge given how its mostly written in the perspective of the IoM and so there is very little is clear about how many ‘nid’s are able to spawn at any one time, That said it is more than definite that in the last stages of resistance crushing millions of all sorts of creatures are spawned in the space of a few hours.

  20. The definition of insanity (panda) September 28, 2014 at 5:38 pm -      #20

    Dont quote me on that its just what speculation i myself have read.

  21. Tyran September 28, 2014 at 6:21 pm -      #21

    “I meant like X units per hour or day, it would be nice to have some idea of how many need to die in a given space of time. Thus far I’ve seen billions to a thousand- bit of a large space for vagueness there.”

    Unknown, although we know that the Tyranids must spawn a complete new army when invading, as most of the Tyranids don’t exist when they are traveling in space; it is only ships, Norn Queens and some critters in hibernation for quick defense.

    I guess bio-titans in numbers would help, specially that super-Trygon of Megire, that thing destroyed a Titan Legion on its own.

    Also, even if the Tyranids lose in Japan, they are still going to drink the atmosphere and the oceans, the drop in atmospheric pressure and lack of oxygen would kill everybody in Japan.

  22. Appocalypse September 28, 2014 at 7:56 pm -      #22

    This is how the Tyranids assimilate planets, afterwards is just the harvesting of the final resources. Keep in mind we’re talking about trillions of Tyranids at the end of the invasion ( i.e. Japan)

    In the process of assimilating a planet’s biological and inorganic materials, the most important stage is the location of a suitable target. One method by which they accomplish this is the spectral analysis of distant stars to determine their likelihood of supporting life.[4] However, the fastest and most common method is the use of vanguard organisms, millions of which range hundreds of light-years ahead of each Hive Fleet, investigating each star system they encounter for signs of life.[4] Once a suitable world has been detected, these bio-vessels spawn infiltrator-organisms, such as Lictors, Genestealers, or specialized Gaunt strains, and launch them onto the world via Mycetic Spores. Once inserted, these organisms will seek out all life and target those of a highly-organized nature, such as humans, restricting themselves to lone targets so as to avoid revealing their presence.[4] Genestealers in particular will seek to infiltrate communities and create cults, not only to signal the planet is ripe for consumption but to weaken its defenses against the Hive Fleet’s arrival.[4]

    Tyranid Bio-ships battling the Imperial Navy[1d]
    As the psychic beacon of the infiltrator-organisms flourishes, indicating a rich feeding ground, so does the Hive Fleet home in on it, in the process cutting off all interstellar communications as the Shadow in the Warp blankets the target system. Upon arrival to the planet, the Hive Fleet will disperse within the planet’s upper atmosphere and begin launching millions upon millions of Mycetic Spores.[5] Many will contain Tyranid warriors of various strains, from Rippers to Bio-Titans, and so come in a multitude of sizes. Others will deliver zoomorphic symbiotes and parasites, which target and mutate the planet’s flora at a rapid rate. Within hours verdant forests are replaced with highly-aggressive alien vegetation, including Capillary Towers, which begins the process of transforming the planet’s atmosphere into a hothouse, turning the sky a sickly red and raising temperatures at an accelerating rate.[5] Other spores are nothing more than giant cyst-bombs, filled with viral and poisonous organisms which burst over population centers, killing millions of people in the opening hours of the attack. Each one will cover an area many hundreds of meters across with acidic digestive bile, starting the process of future ingestion.[5]
    After the initial attack, vast swarms of flying Gargoyles will herd the native population into the path of fast-moving hordes of Gaunts to be viciously slaughtered. The defenders, often underestimating the Tyranids’ intelligence, make fighting retreats to buy themselves time to regroup from the onslaught, only to be encircled and destroyed as it becomes apparent they were merely herded into prepared killing grounds.[5] These last pockets of resistance will become the targets of larger Tyranid species, from Warriors to Carnifexes and Bio-Titans, which eradicate the defenders with sheer offensive power.[5]

  23. Abominatus674 September 28, 2014 at 7:58 pm -      #23

    God help them if the Tyranids eat any of those mutants mentioned in the OP. I don’t even know what they are, but no doubt they’d be horrifying once their DNA is incorporated into the swarm.

    From what I’ve read, Tyranid invasions operate in waves based on what is needed to take down a particular foe. They start with genestealer cults, mutating local wildlife etc. If that doesn’t work the man-sized troops go in, then raveners and warriors and then up and up until the enemy is dead. Which means eventually they’ll be sending in bio-titans, and then bigger bio-titans if that doesn’t work. I can’t see any way the Defence Force can deal with that level of alien monster escalation, particularly with near-unlimited smaller troops accompanying the big ones.

    Pretty much all of the Tyranid leaders are psykers, as well as some specialist organisms. And it is possible that the shadow in the warp could mess with whatever psychics the humans have, depending on the mechanics of their powers.

  24. Ragnorke September 28, 2014 at 7:59 pm -      #24

    @Sauro
    You’v got 27 comments to add some match rules to limit the tyranids… This seems like a horrible stomp, although it could have a lot of potential.

  25. Spessman September 28, 2014 at 8:21 pm -      #25

    Unfortunately , apocalypse is right is their an estimate on how long the GDF will survive?

  26. Neon Lord September 28, 2014 at 8:33 pm -      #26

    The GDF will probably be on the verge of collapse from the pre-invasion Genestealer infestations. Lictors can then assasinate any important guys, leaving the rest of the forces having to deal with internal riots and sabotage whilst a full scale Tyranid assault is launched.

    “I meant like X units per hour or day, it would be nice to have some idea of how many need to die in a given space of time. Thus far I’ve seen billions to a thousand- bit of a large space for vagueness there.”

    Depends on size of assaulting Hive Fleet, and level of threat response needed. Tyranids try not to use more than they really need to, and escalate forces if planetary defence proves stronger than expected. Still, there are no hard numbers.

  27. The Drifter September 28, 2014 at 8:47 pm -      #27

    A few questions. Is Ozaki from Final Wars Pre or Post-Kaiser?

    Do they have any of the plans to the Oxygen Destroyer from Canon?

    As is a contingency plan among the Psychic Division of GoDF, can they lure in any of the Goji Family as a secret weapon?

    As this post says *ALL* Mecha available in Canon to the GoDF, DOES that include Mecha-King Ghidora?

  28. The Drifter September 28, 2014 at 8:57 pm -      #28

    Edit timer ran out before I could hit enter. Blegh.

    For the sake of the debate, are all of the unfinished Mugera’s(Sp?) Finished?

    What are the possibilities that they can retro fit the Dimensional Tide to any of the Mechas?

  29. The Drifter September 28, 2014 at 9:06 pm -      #29

    Sorry for the triple post. I hate life.

    Since the Orbital Dimensional Tide is piloted, could it be argued it is in orbit? If not, its OK. From Half-Century War, the GoDF have a terrestrial Dimensional Tide so they will be able to while out vast swathes of the Tyranid invasion force. Also can they summon Kaiju with the Dimensional Tide?

    Swear to god I won’t post til I get a reply haha

  30. Darth Bombad September 28, 2014 at 9:13 pm -      #30

    Does the GDF get the Oxygen Destroyer? cause the nid’s
    are all organic and that thing could really mess them up.

  31. Sauroposeidon September 28, 2014 at 9:37 pm -      #31

    “It’s Godzilla, he stops invasions like this for a living.”

    There is no Godzilla. That would not be fair.

    “Do they have any of the plans to the Oxygen Destroyer from Canon?”

    Not to my knowledge.

    “As is a contingency plan among the Psychic Division of GoDF, can they lure in any of the Goji Family as a secret weapon?”

    No. The humans must win this on their own merits for once.

    “Also, even if the Tyranids lose in Japan, they are still going to drink the atmosphere and the oceans, the drop in atmospheric pressure and lack of oxygen would kill everybody in Japan.”

    No offensive actions outside of the engagement zone.

    “The GDF will probably be on the verge of collapse from the pre-invasion Genestealer infestations.”

    This is not a situation the humans haven’t faced before. Notably, when aliens took over both their government and their primary armed forces and then launched an invasion, taking over the Earth in Final Wars. This was sort of what inspired the match.

    “A few questions. Is Ozaki from Final Wars Pre or Post-Kaiser?”

    Pre. Since his powers are vague and god-like Post.

    “As this post says *ALL* Mecha available in Canon to the GoDF, DOES that include Mecha-King Ghidora?”

    Yes. If they had it, they get it. This includes Mecha-King Ghidorah as of Godzilla Unleashed, to my knowledge.

    “You’v got 27 comments to add some match rules to limit the tyranids… This seems like a horrible stomp, although it could have a lot of potential.”

    I don’t see a need to limit them further than I have. They aren’t allowed to launch any attacks from space, including any kind of orbital bombardment. They are allowed to keep spawning more units based on the biomass they have already consumed based on a vague “japan may be all that is left” statement. This is to give them enough biomass to make appropriately sized bio-titans with enough mass to be more than fleas to the GDF’s ships and mecha. Both sides are permitted psychics. Infiltration is permitted, since it is something that has been done before, more than once.

    I don’t see any needed changes unless you suggest them.

    To give an idea of SOME available weaponry.

    Gotengo
    Gohten
    Super X
    Super X II
    Super X III
    Markalite Cannon Regiments
    All-Terraintula
    Weather Control Capsule/Radioactive Sonde
    Moonlight SY-3
    Hybrid Tanks
    Typhoon Devastators
    “Space Fighters”

    tohokingdom.com/aliens_sdf/space_fighter.htm

    Nuclear Submarines
    Cybersaurus
    Maser Tanks
    Garuda
    DAG-MB96 “Freezing Maser” Tanks
    Super Mechagodzilla
    Mechagodzilla Kiryu
    Various classes of Destroyers
    Various mobile artillery and rocket launchers
    Various Gunships and other VTOL craft
    Various modern Jet Fighters
    ASTOL-MB93 aerial maser craft
    Eclair
    Rumbling
    Griffon
    Shirasagi
    Karyu

  32. The Drifter September 28, 2014 at 9:54 pm -      #32

    Well I personally feel like the Terrestrial Dimensional Tide will keep most of the invasion forces at bay, let alone with most of the Mecha covering the battleship. I’m going to look for any alternate existences of the Oxygen Destroyer.

    Also.. For comparisons sake. Would Godzilla psychically be as strong as a Tyranid? The reasoning I’m using is that they’d be able to divert some of the Tyranids or even outright take some of them over. Imagine having a BioTitan as a way to listen to the thought of the Hive Mind. My reasoning is also following the fact the being connected to Godzilla mentally is as about as damaging to the Psychic as the Shadow of the Warp is.

  33. Sauroposeidon September 28, 2014 at 11:12 pm -      #33

    “Well I personally feel like the Terrestrial Dimensional Tide will keep most of the invasion forces at bay, ”

    Or it might let in another megaguiras and what happens if the ‘nids get their hands on a sleeping megaguiras? That’s bad news right there for Earth.

    While I suppose they COULD build black hole cannons, they don’t immediately have access to any that aren’t floating uselessly up in space.

  34. The Drifter September 28, 2014 at 11:15 pm -      #34

    @Sauro– They do have one on a battleship via the On Going Godzilla:Half Century War. But that’s the only one they have not in orbit.

  35. Belisaurius September 28, 2014 at 11:18 pm -      #35

    The Tyranids don’t tend to use their telepathy as a direct attack. There is some damage done by the mere presence of a mind that big but other than one particular breed (zoanthropes) ‘nids prefer to use their psychic powers for communication rather than mind control.

    The GDF is essentially fielding titans so it’s likely they can hold out against any direct attacks. The problem is that they don’t have a counter for subversive attacks like Genestealer cults. The GDF psychics might be able to pick up on them but the weight of the tyranid hive mind has been known to drive more powerful psychics insane. Their best bet are in their final wars mutants but it’s anyone’s guess how long they can dodge the genestealers.

  36. Sauroposeidon September 28, 2014 at 11:23 pm -      #36

    “They do have one on a battleship via the On Going Godzilla:Half Century War. But that’s the only one they have not in orbit.”

    I haven’t followed the newer comics that much.

    “The problem is that they don’t have a counter for subversive attacks like Genestealer cults. ”

    They may begin doing some kind of gene testing if they figure out there’s infiltration going on. The mutants are really more physical oriented.

  37. The Drifter September 28, 2014 at 11:26 pm -      #37

    The anti Kaiju forces lead by Ozaki would definitely be a sufficient counter to any Lictors/Genestealer forces IMO.

  38. Belisaurius September 28, 2014 at 11:41 pm -      #38

    @Drifter

    The problem isn’t fighting them, it’s detecting them. The GDF simply isn’t designed for hunting monsters in human skin and they have no experience with countering infiltration. Giant monsters, sure. A friend you’ve known for years shooting you in the back? No.

  39. The Drifter September 28, 2014 at 11:47 pm -      #39

    The psychic division should be able to aid that, one would think. I’ll start looking for instances of Psykers detecting Genestealer cults.

  40. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 29, 2014 at 1:15 am -      #40

    The FW mutant fighters had guns powerful enough to fry Ebirah into submission, should be sufficient to toast the smaller nids.

  41. Parry Boy September 29, 2014 at 6:03 am -      #41

    Man, I just wish Godzilla pops up and solos everyone.

  42. creyzi4j September 29, 2014 at 6:08 am -      #42

    GDF wins with high difficulty.

  43. Belisaurius September 29, 2014 at 7:50 am -      #43

    @Drifter

    But again, the presence of the Tyranid Hive Mind has been known to drive people insane. The Psychics might not last long.

  44. The Drifter September 30, 2014 at 9:17 pm -      #44

    @Belisaurus

    Well numerous times whenever one of GoDFs psychics contact a psychic Kaiju they face a psychic backlash somewhat akin to the shadow of the warp.

  45. Sauroposeidon October 1, 2014 at 6:58 pm -      #45

    This happens with just Godzilla too, who has no psychic abilities. The only characters to establish a positive psychic link with kaiju are the shobijin.. but then they’re clearly not human.

    That might be an effective way of finding infiltrators. But not every psychic can do it. Most have the “See the future in their dreams” ability as a lower tier ability. Which to me seems a little higher tier than throwing tables with your thought bubbles but… psychic stuff is wonky.

  46. Ellie Williams October 1, 2014 at 7:08 pm -      #46

    So are Tyranids winning?

  47. The Drifter October 1, 2014 at 9:48 pm -      #47

    @Sauro
    What exactly happens with just Big G? Sorry, not quite following haha. Shobijin have shown to only contact Mothra or the leader if the psychic division throughout the Heisei series.

  48. Sauroposeidon October 2, 2014 at 10:07 am -      #48

    They understand the other kaiju as well in the showa era.

    And they had the psychic backlash happen with Mikki in Godzilla vs Biollante as well. Even though he’s not a psychic monster. Kaiju are just too powerful to connect with as far as I can tell. Although she did manage to put an impression in his thoughts to alter his course if Irecall it didn’t really change anything and he still attacked Japan. Just doing that totally knocked her ass out. She never made another attempt to connect with him again, but did use her psychic powers to more accurately aim a weapon to destroy the nerve cluster in his hips. She also used the to move physical objects a couple of years after that.

    I should note, she was able to find Erika when she was Biollante, and she was able to sense when Erika’s spirit wasn’t able to assert itself over the monster. Considering Biollante is a Godzilla/Rose/Human hybrid I have no idea what to say concerning that… although as I recall it was her job to make sure Erika’s spirit was with the rose bush still before it had become Biollante. So either Biollante’s human part or her experience with Erika made that possible. She never tried to get in to Biollante’s head or make her do something, though.

    No psychic in any TOHO movie to my knowledge has forced information out from someone’s thoughts alone. I would think their ability to detect infiltrators would largely be limited to their future sight while sleeping ability.. which, again, all of them have, including the children they have at schools for psychics.

  49. Tarbel October 2, 2014 at 10:52 pm -      #49

    I’d expect the Tyranids to concentrate mostly on taking all the biomass on the other million square kilometers of earth and just keep sending enough Tyranids to the GDF so they think they have a fighting chance. Then after a month or so of accumulating biomass they form a 3000 foot high tidal wave of Tyranid biomasses in all directions around Japan. And also a cloud of Tyranid biomass that falls down from above.
    wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tyranid#Planetary_Assimilation

  50. Sauroposeidon October 3, 2014 at 8:57 am -      #50

    I don’t know if there is that much biomass on the planet, Tarbel. You may be overestimating our planet there..

  51. GabrielusPrime October 4, 2014 at 10:25 pm -      #51

    “To give an idea of SOME available weaponry.

    Gotengo
    Gohten
    Super X
    Super X II
    Super X III
    Markalite Cannon Regiments
    All-Terraintula
    Weather Control Capsule/Radioactive Sonde
    Moonlight SY-3
    Hybrid Tanks
    Typhoon Devastators
    “Space Fighters”

    tohokingdom.com/aliens_sdf/space_fighter.htm

    Nuclear Submarines
    Cybersaurus
    Maser Tanks
    Garuda
    DAG-MB96 “Freezing Maser” Tanks
    Super Mechagodzilla
    Mechagodzilla Kiryu
    Various classes of Destroyers
    Various mobile artillery and rocket launchers
    Various Gunships and other VTOL craft
    Various modern Jet Fighters
    ASTOL-MB93 aerial maser craft
    Eclair
    Rumbling
    Griffon
    Shirasagi
    Karyu”

    Could they invent/design NEW weapons/tech as the invasion goes on? Humans have a tendency to do that.

  52. GabrielusPrime October 4, 2014 at 10:27 pm -      #52

    Sorry, just adding this to my notifications.

  53. The Drifter October 4, 2014 at 10:51 pm -      #53

    Is it safe to assume all biomass of Kaiju is off limits? Cuz.. If it isn’t then I’m gonna lobby hard for the Goji Family to be a secret weapon.

  54. Sauroposeidon October 5, 2014 at 7:45 pm -      #54

    “Is it safe to assume all biomass of Kaiju is off limits? Cuz.. If it isn’t then I’m gonna lobby hard for the Goji Family to be a secret weapon.”

    No kaiju. The tyranids don’t get to eat any. The humans don’t get to be saved by any.

    “Could they invent/design NEW weapons/tech as the invasion goes on? Humans have a tendency to do that.”

    It takes around a year for tyranids to re-invade after a failed invasion don’t they? Looking primarily at their catastrophically bad attempt at invading Tau space. Toho humans tend to build new giant mecha in that time. So I imagine it’s possible.

  55. IschyrosTheos October 7, 2014 at 6:35 pm -      #55

    Bio titans… Enough said.

  56. The Drifter October 7, 2014 at 7:24 pm -      #56

    @Theos “Kaiju sized monsters will stop the Kaiju killing military of Japan! Yah!”
    Son, I’m disappoint. Kiryu will just fucking speed blitz your majority of stock BioTitans.

  57. IschyrosTheos October 7, 2014 at 9:55 pm -      #57

    Still… Bio Titans.

  58. IschyrosTheos October 7, 2014 at 9:55 pm -      #58

    You have to admit, they’re still pretty cool. xD

  59. The Drifter October 7, 2014 at 9:58 pm -      #59

    Don’t get me wrong, haha, BioTitans are just… Awesome. But they won’t even be able to get past SuperMechaG. Just the amount of dakka the mecha on GoDFs side is glorious.

    Man… If only they had plans to the Oxygen Destroyer still….

  60. IschyrosTheos October 7, 2014 at 10:09 pm -      #60

    To be honest I just skipped the entire debate and just posted that. Even though the Godzilla Defense Force haven’t been able to eliminate Godzilla. Not that I know of.

  61. Tarbel October 7, 2014 at 10:33 pm -      #61

    Well I don’t pride myself in being a bearer of info for warhammer but here is some stuff from the wiki:
    “37 Tyranids control area within 2000 km radius of the drop point; basolithic infestation to 5000 km radius.
    48 Tyranid population growth skyrockets, with population doubling approximately every 2.5 days.
    50 Main Hive Fleet arrives, craft generally numbering around 1.5 billion. Psychic contact with planet is cut off by the shadow of the Hive Mind. Any attempts to escape are quickly stopped by the Hive Fleet.
    51 Primary consumption of bio-mass begins (resistance has generally been eliminated by day 51). Brood ships land, releasing Ripper swarms, which consume all remaining organic material and depositing them at the reclamation pools. Capillary Towers (and the Brood ships) send the material into orbit.
    80 The hive ships descend into the upper atmosphere and begin collecting it. Reduction in atmospheric pressure causes oceans to boil away, which are also collected. Lack of oceans causes plate tectonic shifts, dramatically increasing volcanic activity. Upon completion, the Hive Fleet move out of the system in search of fresh prey.”

    Considering Japan is the only one left, the tyranids could easily start their primary consumption. My suggested tactic for the tyranids is based on their previously shown ingenuity:
    “After the initial attack, vast swarms of flying Gargoyles will herd the native population into the path of fast-moving hordes of Gaunts to be viciously slaughtered. The defenders, often underestimating the Tyranids’ intelligence, make fighting retreats to buy themselves time to regroup from the onslaught, only to be encircled and destroyed as it becomes apparent they were merely herded into prepared killing grounds.[5] These last pockets of resistance will become the targets of larger Tyranid species, from Warriors to Carnifexes and Bio-Titans, which eradicate the defenders with sheer offensive power.[5]”


    Excuse my use of wikis, but I’ll assume it’s correct.
    Biomass of Earth:
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomass_(ecology)
    560 billion tons
    I’m sure a billion tons alone could hit Japan from all directions and considering the rate at which tyranids populate (apparently doubling population growth when they have ~70 million square km (extrapolating from 2,000 km radius to ~5,000 km in 10 days which is ~78 mil square km), the total surface area of earth ~500 million square km, and the millions to billions of nids they have on a typical hive ship, it’s not a stretch to say they would have a shitload after a month of no resistance biomass absorption. And apparently oceans aren’t going to be free from tyranids as they can infect water sources.



    Taken from a suggestion from another thread, the tyranids could also invade nearby planets/planetoids for more biomass/atmosphere, specifically the atmospheres of Europa or Titan.

  62. Tarbel October 7, 2014 at 10:45 pm -      #62

    Hey look I found the actual source for the wiki. Pretty cool:
    lore.warpshadow.com/ShermanBishop/mbf_addendum3.html
    It seems the tyranids could simply begin vacuuming the atmosphere and ignore the GDF if they don’t react to it.

  63. pimpmage October 7, 2014 at 10:49 pm -      #63

    What is that source from? That seems like well written fan fiction.

  64. Sauroposeidon October 7, 2014 at 10:54 pm -      #64

    “It seems the tyranids could simply begin vacuuming the atmosphere and ignore the GDF if they don’t react to it.”

    If they do it with in the battle zone they can do it, as long as the method used doesn’t take it to space.

    “560 billion tons”

    I don’t think you realize how much mass a 3000 foot tall tidal waves of pure meat and bone will have if it completely surrounds Japan. Especially if it’s a fairly thick wall and it reaches down to the sea floor.

  65. Tarbel October 8, 2014 at 1:05 am -      #65

    @Pimpmage
    I’m just assuming it’s a fan recorded version of an actual excerpt from a manual or novel or lexicanum or something. I assume someone knowledgeable of warhammer will pass by and confirm.
    If it turns out to be fan fic, most of if not all the points made are still valid on the presumption that the wiki is valid As the site just provides some more in-depth details.

    @Sauroposeidon
    Well based on the website I posted, it is done within the atmosphere.
    As for the tidal wave, it was a bit of hyperbole and metaphor. I don’t mean a literal replace the ocean type of Tsunami of tyranid mass, just the above ground part and more an army of actual tyranid beings stacked to that height. As far as I know, tyranids do not literally amass meat and bone for assaults.
    So based on the website, the tyranids use billions of rippers(horse shoe crab like things, although possibly enormous sized versions to extract billions of cubic meters of soil.
    warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Rippers
    These are the collectors created over the course of 80 days (of which ~30 days of unrestricted growth). Then there are roughly (preliminary estimate) over 1 billion tyranid beings onboard the hive ship over the same time span. Then there are the actual combat tyranids which should have been forming since the first contact.
    And then mycetic spores.
    Well what can I say except for that if the tyranids can collect billions of cubic kilometers of dirt,water, and atmosphere in a time span of 80 days (a third of which was used to assimilate the planets defense forces), then I think they can form enough biomass to surround Japan if they wanted to.


    Super serious estimation calculation time.
    books.google.com/books?id=1t-7AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=circumference+of+japan&source=bl&ots=uGrqRQVSi0&sig=hH6bqXPJ7nFbDGtsIY66v82X-Ok&hl=en&sa=X&ei=d7o0VLr0O4adyASYyoDYAw&ved=0CDIQ6AEwBQ
    29000Km of coastline times .8 Km height times 1km thickness.
    Divide by 2 for efficient tidal wave distribution (take out inland coastlines in between islands).
    Volume of human body is ~ .07 cubic meters so assuming .2 for tyranid and multiply the volume by this much to account for some breathing room (giving each tyranid, a cubic meter minus their volume, of space)= 2320 cubic kilometers.
    The volume of earth ‘s ocean is 1.32 billion km.
    And probably at least a million cubic kilometers of dirt.
    All biomass with an average density of 1.2x water would equate to 466 cubic kilometers times 5 for breathing room 2330 cubic km.
    So actually with just all biomass alone the tyranids could make a pretty good 3000 foot tidal wave that could surround Japan.

  66. pimpmage October 8, 2014 at 7:34 am -      #66

    Well I am just saying, I don’t recognise it. And no source was provided either. Also, 40k books never go into that much detail. So that all makes me really skeptical.

  67. Neon Lord October 8, 2014 at 8:26 am -      #67

    On first glance, I too thought it was a fanfic.

    Upon further research, I have discovered that it was actually official material posted on the old GW site, archived here

    web.archive.org/web/20080513115814/http://uk.games-workshop.com/tyranids/tyranoforming-worlds/1/

    A very interesting find.

  68. Sauroposeidon October 8, 2014 at 8:36 am -      #68

    “Well I am just saying, I don’t recognise it. ”

    That’s not the only place I’ve seen the time time, so I’m guessing it came from an official source. It’s also the basis for my “The Imperium is too slow to win a war with pretty much anyone” argument.

    “Well what can I say except for that if the tyranids can collect billions of cubic kilometers of dirt,water, and atmosphere in a time span of 80 days”

    They make it clear that this was a sort of one time deal, but as long as the methods used are with in the permitted match rules it’s fine. They’ll probably have to resort to setting up points to try and do this anyways. The only reason I disallow it outside of the zone even though it’d not a form of combat is because they could fuck up the planet with out fear of being stopped due to the GDF not being allowed outside of the combat zone.It’d be a sort of win through not fighting, which is against the spirit of the match.

  69. Sauroposeidon October 8, 2014 at 9:15 am -      #69

    er, time time should be time line.

  70. Tarbel October 8, 2014 at 9:07 pm -      #70

    @Neon Lord
    kewl



    @Sauroposeidon
    “They make it clear that this was a sort of one time deal, but as long as the methods used are with in the permitted match rules it’s fine. They’ll probably have to resort to setting up points to try and do this anyways. ”

    The wiki uses the source as a standard tyranid invasion on an unimportant planet. So I think that means the tyranids will pretty much always completely suck dry each planet they successfully invade.
    See:
    wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tyranid#Planetary_Assimilation
    “Below is a general outline of a typical Tyranid planetary assault ”

    What they say is amazing is that (and this is the first time they have actually analyzed what tyranids do in an invasion) they can collect so much matter in such a short amount of time as well as carry it all. They later say that it is most likely being transferred to a mother hive of some sort. And it is also astonishing that this much biomass is not enough to sustain them for even a year and they may strike again and obtain pretty much this same amount of biomass.



    Tyranid hive ships do descend into the upper atmosphere to begin collection of it (allowed from the post). And since Japan is the only area left with feasible defense, rippers can begin “divesting” the land for collection as soon as they evolve from the millions of mycetic spores poured down by the hive ship.
    But yeah I agree it’s not really fighting but more of a destroy the planet deal. They also may be more likely to actually kill off any defenses left with brute force before collecting the atmosphere (although if nothing stops them from collecting, they would probably be more inclined to collect..). But if they did, it would give them the resources needed to make that unnecessary 3000 foot tidal wave of biomass to surround Japan.


    So more realistically:
    Tyranids would use mycetic spores to infiltrate Japan, infecting any vegetation and exposed biomass. They also are used to carry troops like drop pods, from rippers to carnifexes. Also they make vegetation useless as a food source. Subsequently most things on the food chain would die of starvation, including food for the GDF guys.
    wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Microscopic_Mycetic_Spore
    wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mycetic_Spore

    The hive ships also drop down meiotic spores which are basically land mines of biochemical nature.
    wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Meiotic_Spore

    With unrestricted growth, tyranids can multiply their troops at an exponential rate (doubling population every 2.5 days) and spew out things like bio titans very very quickly.
    wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bio-Titan#Bio-Titans

    Overall:
    First spores/pods will quietly enter the planet avoiding attention to transform forests into alien vegetation.
    Scenario1:
    Actual assault will begin near instantaneously as at least thousands of spores/pods holding tyranid units and spore mines will be dropped down in Japan while the hive ship remains, maybe, out of reach in the upper atmosphere.
    Japan will be deprived of normal food sources within a day because of micro spores infecting everything and transforming them into reclamation pools.
    After several hours, spores have transformed forests and the like to alien vegetation. Early stages of mass collection beginning.
    After a week, a mycetic spore/pod can grow to over 100 tyranid organisms. Rippers all over the planet have engaged in the process of divesting land for collection.
    3 weeks, population growth doubles every 2.5 days. Japan maybe running low on resources. Population per pod reaches more than 100,000,000 organisms using linear growth.
    Swarm.

    Scenario2:
    Quiet insertion of spores/pods in Japan to expand growth in secret within the battlezone.
    Japan will be deprived of normal food sources within a day because of micro spores infecting everything and transforming them into reclamation pools.
    After several hours, spores have transformed forests and the like to alien vegetation. Early stages of mass collection beginning.
    After a week, a mycetic spore/pod can grow to over 100 tyranid organisms. Rippers all over the planet have engaged in the process of divesting land for collection.
    3 weeks, population growth doubles every 2.5 days. Japan maybe running low on resources. Population per pod reaches more than 100,000,000 organisms using linear growth.
    Swarm.



    I think in both cases the tyranids will have enormous amounts of organisms in a short amount of time as the GDF is not wide spread enough to stop tyranid expansion.

  71. Sauroposeidon October 12, 2014 at 11:17 pm -      #71

    Rules stipulate that no orbital attacks are allowed. So no bombing them with spores from space.

    Also, the record made it clear that the sheer quantity of land and water they moved was enormous and unprecedented. You’re not going to convince me they do it on a regular basis. Not that it matters for this fight anyways.

    “I think in both cases the tyranids will have enormous amounts of organisms in a short amount of time as the GDF is not wide spread enough to stop tyranid expansion.”

    The biggest problem for the nids in this fight is that where ever they go, with in a few hours or less the GDF can have a response force, unlike the Imperium.

  72. creyzi4j October 13, 2014 at 12:53 pm -      #72

    No orbital attacks mean no spore bombs.
    Godzilla Defense Force wins this match with moderate to high difficulty.
    Of course, since it’s Japanese and there’s always drama, they will win with high difficulty instead.

    Tyranids are so wanked; I have clips of Lictors getting killed by primitive weapons (stone tipped spears).
    GDF would obliterate the entire Tyranid Force.

    Seriously, stop wanking the 40k franchise, it’s not very good.

  73. The definition of insanity (panda) October 14, 2014 at 3:28 am -      #73

    Im just lurking here as always buuut

    @creyz. from what is speculated in the cannon the need for orbital strike becomes irrelevant, the GDF would probably be overrun due to weight of numbers, Even if there are clips of lictors being killed by primitive weapons (that i would like to see because i doubt you do.) the point becomes moot because the ‘nids attack en mass to overwhelm their opponents

  74. Tarbel October 18, 2014 at 4:16 pm -      #74

    The spores aren’t actual orbital attacks, more like orbital dogs from what I understand. They aren’t using the spores like a bomb that explodes on impact but as units like soldiers or workers to either attack or terraform. I feel it is more akin to a quick form of transportation rather than a strike.
    If anything, i think only the spore mines would count as strikes, although they lay dormant when no nearby enemies are detected.
    As for the amount of maas absorbed, I believe that planetary assault was the first analyzed, which is why that reaction was attributed to the amount of mass absorbed.


    As for the GDF response, you’ll have to convince me that they can detect and respond to spore drops on the other side of the world as well as respond to all the millions of spores. I mean assuming Japan is hit with, let’s say (since im not sure of the amount), 1 million tyranid units, and for ease, they are all some standard tyranid soldier, and all dropped into Japan. How easily can the GDF dispatch this force as well as detect and respond the other millions out spores around the world? I mean responses even in hours means a small portion of vegetation would be converted to alien tyranid crap while other places where there is no response there would be mostly alien vegetation which could soon start using resources to spew out more units.
    In the end, GDF would lose, if not to attrition, to the sheer amount of units being produced by the transformed areas. It will be near impossible to stop the transforming caused by the tyranids all over the earth, and I don’t think GDF will be able to even defend Japan properly once the tyranid foothold expands enough.
    I see no way for GDF to win if the tyranids get their spores going even if they can destroy the hive ship.
    The rate of tyranid growth and expansion is just too dam high!

  75. Sauroposeidon October 18, 2014 at 11:50 pm -      #75

    “As for the GDF response, you’ll have to convince me that they can detect and respond to spore drops on the other side of the world as well as respond to all the millions of spores.”

    They can’t. I restricted combat to with in 200 miles of the shore. Although in Final Wars the defense forces responded quickly to mass kaiju assaults across the entire planet at once.

    You may have missed the part where I limited the engagement area in the match descriptor. This was partially to force discussion to be directly around the GDF, since allowing them to protect the whole world would mean every nation’s defenses and armaments come in to play and America can nuke the entire planet ten times over, which becomes problematic since as soon as anyone gets nuke-happy other people do and.. yeah. I don’t want to discuss that.

  76. Tarbel October 20, 2014 at 10:44 am -      #76

    So are you considering the spores outside Japan an assault? The spores would only consume, terraform, and produce troops if there is nothing inhibiting them.

  77. PrimusxPilus December 18, 2014 at 3:33 pm -      #77

    Interesting match

  78. The Drifter December 18, 2014 at 8:13 pm -      #78

    Would it be possible to replicate the AZ gun and equip multiple Mecha with them? Also, is there actually any Tyranids that can fight MechaKing Ghidora? I just can’t figure out what they could throw at them to basically rival Godzilla(since they were all built to kill Big G)

  79. The Drifter December 18, 2014 at 8:13 pm -      #79

    Would it be possible to replicate the AZ gun and equip multiple Mecha with them? Also, is there actually any Tyranids that can fight MechaKing Ghidora? I just can’t figure out what they could throw at them to basically rival Godzilla(since they were all built to kill Big G).

  80. The Drifter December 18, 2014 at 8:14 pm -      #80

    Would it be possible to replicate the AZ gun and equip multiple Mecha with them? Also, is there actually any Tyranids that can fight MechaKing Ghidora? I just can’t figure out what they could throw at them to basically rival Godzilla, since they were designed to kill the King.

  81. The Drifter December 18, 2014 at 8:21 pm -      #81

    Would it be possible to replicate the AZ gun and equip multiple Mecha with them?
    —-
    Also, is there actually any Tyranids that can fight MechaKing Ghidora? I just can’t figure out what they could throw at them to basically rival Godzilla, since they were designed to kill the King.

  82. The Drifter December 18, 2014 at 9:54 pm -      #82

    oh wow… My internet freaks out and posts 4 times… Admin could you remove the duplicates? >.

  83. Sauroposeidon December 18, 2014 at 10:04 pm -      #83

    “So are you considering the spores outside Japan an assault? The spores would only consume, terraform, and produce troops if there is nothing inhibiting them.”

    The Tyranids may or may not have free reign outside of Japan. I left it vague, although you may argue from the standpoint of them having free reign.

  84. pimpmage December 18, 2014 at 10:08 pm -      #84

    “oh wow… My internet freaks out and posts 4 times… Admin could you remove the duplicates? >. –
    Its K dude, We have had a dude that quad spammed like 20 paragraphs of indecipherable lunacy before. This is nothing compared to that.

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