Jedi & Sith Vs Green Lantern Corps

Jedi & Sith Vs Green Lantern Corps

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In this group battle, we have the Jedi and Sith (Star Wars) working together as they take on the Green Lantern Corps of DC Comics.

Battle takes place on the island of Cuba.

Which team wins?

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120 Comments on "Jedi & Sith Vs Green Lantern Corps"

  1. Tancalebner September 25, 2014 at 6:28 am -      #1

    Is this EU Jedi and sith???

  2. cuccolover September 25, 2014 at 7:13 am -      #2

    If it is EU star wars, they stomp just for having a extremely overpowered sith that can talk and you would die. (I am guessing that the space ships and fleets are not involved. unless said other wise.)

  3. sadot06 September 25, 2014 at 8:21 am -      #3

    I’d assume the Green Lantern core would stomp horribly.

  4. PositiveAnion September 25, 2014 at 8:44 am -      #4

    Could they all fit in Cuba? We are talking massive amounts of OP characters. I think that Earth is gonna get so ripped up, it will no longer be habitable.

    Jedi/Sith Robes > Spandex
    Star Wars wins fashion contest with flying colors.

    Also, Disney own star wars now, so DC is pretty much F**ked due to lack of funds.

    As for the battle itself, I will zone out thinking about it in math today.

  5. OberHerr September 25, 2014 at 9:34 am -      #5

    Lanterns stomp horribly with FTL, planetbusting attacks……seriously. None of the Sith/Jedi could probably even compete with one lantern. All of them? And this is assuming EU.

  6. Warlock Lowk September 25, 2014 at 9:39 am -      #6

    Going with the side that can fly normally and has a guy that can snipe you from space. Seriously you do not wanna fuck with John Stewart. Nevermind the Entire living planet that can fling pieces of it self as lightspeed projectiles.
    ===
    “Jedi/Sith Robes > Spandex
    Star Wars wins fashion contest with flying colors.”

    Lantern suit suits can be made however the ring bearer likes.

  7. Xornell September 25, 2014 at 9:54 am -      #7

    EU or not, gl corps rape stomps. Single mook lantern solos, most likely.

    To play devil’s advocate, there is a whole lotta mind rape on team 1. It’s possible they could seriously debilitate a good number of lanterns. Of course one Jon Stewart could pop Earth from another galaxy, so that point is pretty moot.

    Even playing devil’s advocate I can’t see team 1 pulling off anything resembling a victory.

  8. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 10:26 am -      #8

    @cuccolover
    “If it is EU star wars, they stomp just for having a extremely overpowered sith that can talk and you would die”

    Rofl. Keep telling yourself that buddy.

    “(I am guessing that the space ships and fleets are not involved. unless said other wise.)”

    Let Starwars keep all their ships. It MIGHT become less of a stomp for the Green Lanterns lol.

    @Xornell
    “. It’s possible they could seriously debilitate a good number of lanterns.”

    Eh, aren’t lanterns resistant to normal mind rape? you’d need some pretty high tier shit to get to them.

    Now the big downside here, is that it’s the new52 lanterns… who are lacking some of the crazy high feats that the pre-crises ones had. (or pre flashpoint)

    The green lantern known as Sodam Yat was able to go toe-to-toe with Superboy prime…. Granted he lost the fight, but he was able to go toe-to-toe with Superboy fucking prime.
    Sodam Yat would probably solo everything in the StarWars verse.
    Edit: andddddd that was all pre-crises, so nevermind.

  9. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 10:35 am -      #9

    So, John Stewart made an entire solar system:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/109250/2397513-1364368-johnsolarsystem_super.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/109250/2397514-1364377-johnsolarsystem1_super.jpg

  10. Commander Cross September 25, 2014 at 10:44 am -      #10

    Did they even bother to state the versions and incarnations for both sides, especially with Side B for that matter?

    It would make a hell of a difference if we got statements that confirm anything, Side A can fight the Animated versions without getting ripped a New Asshole all over the place, but the Comic versions are more problematic.
    I’ve no clue on the Video Game versions of Side B though as a group. :(

  11. Warlock Lowk September 25, 2014 at 10:49 am -      #11

    New 52 mogo. She’s pretty badass
    media.insidepulse.com/zones/insidepulse/uploads/2013/02/GLC-Annual-1-016.jpg
    lightspeed debris I mentioned.

  12. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 10:57 am -      #12

    @Commander Cross
    “Did they even bother to state the versions and incarnations for both sides, especially with Side B for that matter?”

    Side B would be current incarnation, which is New52. I think that’s the best incarnation to go with, since it’s the weakest.

    Starwars i believe should get its EU… Otherwise a single greenlantern would stomp the entire Starwars universe.

    @Lowk
    Oh… Mogo’s a chick… who woulda guessed

  13. Rookie September 25, 2014 at 11:09 am -      #13

    Team 2 wins sadly.
    Comics way too overpowered.

  14. Xornell September 25, 2014 at 11:18 am -      #14

    “Let Starwars keep all their ships. It MIGHT become less of a stomp for the Green Lanterns lol.”

    Have you read recent GL? A fleet appeared near Mogo, much smaller than any fleet SW could throw together, and the GLs were pretty scared. And they were hiding from aliens with regular guns recently, too.

    “Eh, aren’t lanterns resistant to normal mind rape? you’d need some pretty high tier shit to get to them.”

    They can shield themselves from it, but they aren’t autoshielded from it. Plus Vitiate can mindrape high tier Jedi/Sith by looking in their general direction.

    There may be some possession/mindrape of GLs involved, meaning some may die. And Nihilus has lifewiped a planet before by just speaking near it…

    img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060519122248/starwars/images/f/fc/Katarrdevastation.jpg

    I’m starting to get into this devil’s advocate thing.

  15. Warlock Lowk September 25, 2014 at 11:31 am -      #15

    “Have you read recent GL? A fleet appeared near Mogo, much smaller than any fleet SW could throw together, and the GLs were pretty scared. And they were hiding from aliens with regular guns recently, too.”

    John was blocking a blast that would’ve fucked up a planet. G’Nort admited to destorying a planet. If Green Lanterns are worried by something chance are it might not be to weak.
    And how recent we talking? since Relic wasn’t there an influx of anti-Lantern tech and weaponry going around?

  16. Xornell September 25, 2014 at 11:43 am -      #16

    “If Green Lanterns are worried by something chance are it might not be to weak.”

    None of those ships were planet-busters or anything spectacular.

    “And how recent we talking? since Relic wasn’t there an influx of anti-Lantern tech and weaponry going around?”

    Before/during the Relic incident. Hal and Kilowog were being shot at by slugthrowers and were forced to shield themselves from the bullets.

    Lantern high-ends are hella high. But they do have their low-ends as well.

  17. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 12:23 pm -      #17

    “Have you read recent GL? A fleet appeared near Mogo, much smaller than any fleet SW could throw together, and the GLs were pretty scared.”

    Were they named Lanterns or randoms?
    If starwars gets its EU, it’ll take more than just 1 lantern to stomp, but they do still stomp.
    There’s still plenty of FTL planetbusters.

  18. Xornell September 25, 2014 at 12:28 pm -      #18

    “Were they named Lanterns or randoms?”

    Both. Hal Jordan was there. Kilowog was there. Mogo was obviously there.

    “If starwars gets its EU, it’ll take more than just 1 lantern to stomp, but they do still stomp.”

    If it’s the whole Star Wars EU the Lanterns aren’t touching it. Their high-ends are pretty high-tier.

    “There’s still plenty of FTL planetbusters.”

    There sure are. How many of them have immunity to life-wiping on a planetary scale, though? In some cases hax > raw power and this may be one of those cases. If they did manage to kill the force users, some of them can possess Lanterns after death. Lanterns, as you may or may not know, aren’t exactly immune to possession.

  19. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 12:36 pm -      #19

    “There sure are. How many of them have immunity to life-wiping on a planetary scale, though?”

    Considering some of them can tank planetbusters… why would they be killed by planet wide life wiping hits? has it ever worked on people that durable? no it hasn’t.
    What form of damage is it anyways? since that’s likely to play a big factor. Is it just a giant wave of force? or a really high frequency sound?

  20. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 12:42 pm -      #20

    Oh, and incase you didn’t know…
    The speed of light is 886,559 faster than the speed of sound. Goodluck hitting them with anything.

  21. Friendlysociopath September 25, 2014 at 12:47 pm -      #21

    “The speed of light is 886,559 faster than the speed of sound. Goodluck hitting them with anything.”

    I somehow doubt the power works at the speed of sound, since he spoke from space and it hit people even on the far side of the world. Can’t really think about why it doesn’t add up right now.

  22. Xornell September 25, 2014 at 12:48 pm -      #22

    “Considering some of them can tank planetbusters… why would they be killed by planet wide life wiping hits?”

    1. Which of them has tanked a planetbuster? I’m talking about straight up taking a planetbusting hit, no construct.
    2. Energydraining =/= physical force.

    “has it ever worked on people that durable? no it hasn’t.”

    Lanterns are just as squishy as normal people without constructs surrounding them. I refer again to them hiding from bullets. Considering it’s worked on an entire planet, it’s a pretty safe bet it’ll kill them.

    “What form of damage is it anyways? since that’s likely to play a big factor. Is it just a giant wave of force? or a really high frequency sound?”

    It’s life draining. Taking the life energy out of them. Which we’ve seen be devastatingly effective in the recent past.

    “The speed of light is 886,559 faster than the speed of sound. Goodluck hitting them with anything.”

    > Implying Lanterns immediately jump to FTL as soon as someone on the enemy team speaks.
    > Implying they’d even know an attack happened, since they wouldn’t hear it anyone until it already hit.
    > Implying that a Force ability that killed a planet from orbit moves at the speed of sound.
    > Implying Lanterns will know this ability is dangerous and will instantly decide to run.
    > Implying a good number of them won’t be mindraped by the high number of mindrapers on Team 1.
    > Implying.

  23. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 1:12 pm -      #23

    “> Implying that a Force ability that killed a planet from orbit moves at the speed of sound.”

    Well is there any evidence on how fast it actually moved?
    I see nothing wrong with the assumption that it moved at the speed of sound. Perhaps it did take a while to kill the entire planet, and perhaps it didn’t happen instantly.
    Can you prove your claim?

    “I somehow doubt the power works at the speed of sound, since he spoke from space and it hit people even on the far side of the world”

    Your doubt means nothing unless you have evidence of its actual speed.

    “2. Energydraining =/= physical force.”

    Pretty sure hardlight constructs have been shown to protect against energy based attacked too.

    “> Implying.”

    > Implying darth nihilus will instantly speak at the start of the match, potentially killing everyone on his side of the team too.
    > Implying darth nihilus won’t be killed first by a planet busting attack at FTL speeds.

    Edit: Seriously, how many of the Jedi & Sith can even fly?
    All the GLs fly into space at FTL, planet bust, the end.
    Only a handfull of people from team 1 would survive, who would easily be contained & dealt with.

    I realise GLs aren’t always shown to fight at FTL, but neither does Superman. But that’s always considered PiS, and we always assume he WILL move FTL during his match.
    For the sake of a match, we assume characters are at their best performance, and do whatever it takes to win

  24. Commander Cross September 25, 2014 at 1:12 pm -      #24

    Also, if it means anything should we go ask about Most equal versions and incarnations for both sides allowed by chance?

  25. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 1:22 pm -      #25

    @Xornell
    Speaking of which, weren’t YOU the one that claimed the holding back a Black Hole feat was still valid in the new52?
    And that didn’t take anywhere near all the GLs they have in this match.

    Stewart can create multiple planet sized (or arguably Star sized) constructs & whack everyone on team 1 with them from lightyears away… How is this NOT a stomp match?

  26. Namer September 25, 2014 at 1:26 pm -      #26

    “What form of damage is it anyways? since that’s likely to play a big factor. Is it just a giant wave of force? or a really high frequency sound?”
    .
    Its pure Force bullshit. The same Force that can be used across a galaxy at real-time. There’s no appreciable lag in most cases.

    Say, don’t Lanterns prefer to raise physical shields and barriers? That means the Force-users would probably bypass it entirely.

    Way I see it, both Teams can nuke each other right from the start. The Lanterns however can nuke much harder, and probably slightly faster, but it could still go either way.

  27. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 1:28 pm -      #27

    @Namer
    “and probably slightly faster,”

    SLIGHTLY faster? How fast is the absolute fastest Jedi/Sith?

    @Xornell
    “Lanterns are just as squishy as normal people without constructs surrounding them”

    Also, i’m not too sure about this.
    I totally agree they’re still pretty squishy without their contructs, but still much more durable than regular humans.
    Hal has taken hits from people like Darkseid & Superman without his constructs.
    Now obviously i’m aware they weren’t going all out, but they wouldn’t be treating him as a regular human either.
    I’d say their suit provides some protection.

  28. Xornell September 25, 2014 at 1:29 pm -      #28

    “Can you prove your claim?”

    Actually, yes. If it moved at the speed of sound it’d take way too long to kill everything. Most of the planet would’ve escaped. Not only this, but the scan says that when Nihilus spoke, everything on the planet died. Not started to die. Not that a wave of dying moved across the planet. Everything. Died. This implies the ability is instantaneous.

    “Pretty sure hardlight constructs have been shown to protect against energy based attacked too.”

    Not an energy based attack, it’s an energy draining ability. Prove lanterns can resist this.

    “All the GLs fly into space at FTL, planet bust, the end.”

    The ones that aren’t possessed or mind raped are getting life wiped. Which of the Lanterns is going to be planetbusting with his own corps to fight plus life-wiping on a planetary scale?

    “Only a handfull of people from team 1 would survive, who would easily be contained & dealt with.”

    Who would then go on to possess any remaining lanterns who would then have force-imbued lantern rings.

    “I realise GLs aren’t always shown to fight at FTL, but neither does Superman. But that’s always considered PiS, and we always assume he WILL move FTL during his match.
    For the sake of a match, we assume characters are at their best performance, and do whatever it takes to win”

    CiS is also applied to matches. And since when do Lanterns fight by flying offworld at FTL speeds and shooting the planet?

    “Speaking of which, weren’t YOU the one that claimed the holding back a Black Hole feat was still valid in the new52?
    And that didn’t take anywhere near all the GLs they have in this match.”

    Probably. If this was a black hole holding contest or if holding a black hole showed any resistance against life-drain this would be relevant.

  29. Friendlysociopath September 25, 2014 at 1:32 pm -      #29

    “Its pure Force bullshit. The same Force that can be used across a galaxy at real-time. There’s no appreciable lag in most cases.”

    This is one reason why whether EU is allowed or not is important, Vader chokes someone across the galaxy in real-time as he’s talking to them doesn’t he?

  30. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 1:43 pm -      #30

    ” Not only this, but the scan says that when Nihilus spoke, everything on the planet died. Not started to die.”

    I can find millions of examples of such wording which aren’t accurate.
    Nihilus spoke, and everything died. It doesn’t say instantly.
    Everything did die, but they could have died minutes after, or days after.
    You’re ASSUMING it happened instantly, simply because it didn’t state how long it actually took in the quote, which is a fallacy.

    “This implies the ability is instantaneous.”

    No it doesn’t.
    It just implies that everything died after he spoke, over an undefined period of time.

    “The ones that aren’t possessed are getting life wiped.”

    You’re very clearly ignoring the speed difference here.
    Speedblitzing is very much a viable way to win a match, and is a method very commonly discussed… yet you’re acting like they’re all the same speed.

    “Who would then go on to possess any remaining lanterns who would then have force-imbued lantern rings.”

    So just a handful of Sith are going to destroy the entire lantern corps through possession?
    Seems legit.
    I’m calling bullshit until you can prove they are capable of something like that.

    “And since when do Lanterns fight by flying offworld at FTL speeds and shooting the planet?”
    -.
    Since when does Superman fly offworld at FTL and shoot a planet with laser vision? He doesn’t, but we assume he will in matches, because he can & because he has no reason not to.
    The only reason characters don’t use their maximum potential in the comics is due to PiS and nothing else.
    CiS is definitely a thing, but how does that affect this match? Why would their CiS stop them from flying into space? Why would their CiS stop them from nuking their enemies from space? Why would CiS stop them from speedblitzing?
    CiS needs to be proven, and it needs to have valid reasoning behind it. GLs have no reason to be holding back here.

    Forexample, batmans CiS stops him from killing his opponents, because he thinks its injustice.
    We have a valid & proven reason for WHY he doesn’t kill his opponents, which makes it a proven CiS.
    What reason is there for GLs not nuking from space? None. It isn’t a proven CiS, it’s just PiS.

  31. Warlock Lowk September 25, 2014 at 1:57 pm -      #31

    “Say, don’t Lanterns prefer to raise physical shields and barriers? That means the Force-users would probably bypass it entirely.”

    Most are surrounded by skin tight fields.
    ===
    “Who would then go on to possess any remaining lanterns who would then have force-imbued lantern rings.”

    Does a good deal of resisting shit force related come down to willpower?
    ===
    “The ones that aren’t possessed or mind raped are getting life wiped.”

    By who? Nihilus? GL have people who could rain down hell from outside the atmosphere. And once his shell is destroyed thats it.

  32. GMoney September 25, 2014 at 2:00 pm -      #32

    I’d like to add that just because the lanterns are capable of moving FTL doesn’t mean they are capable of reacting at FTL. Also, Nihlus spell clearly works differently than sound does, because sound cannot be heard in space, and Nihilus was in space when he did this therefore the spell must have been using a medium other than sound.

    Also, can the Green Lanterns do anything about force ghosts? We have seen force ghosts act on the material world and they can only be hurt with the force. Does the corps have anything to counter them?

    Last thing, have the Green Lanterns ever gone up against someone who is completely immortal? Because Nihilus, Sion and Vitiate are all immortals.

  33. Warlock Lowk September 25, 2014 at 2:02 pm -      #33

    “And since when do Lanterns fight by flying offworld at FTL speeds and shooting the planet?”

    John stewart. Mogo is always offworld. She’s either blasting fools from orbit, making sure they don’t come near, or making trouble for anything that does manage to land. She’s basically a…. well, greener deathstar.

  34. Warlock Lowk September 25, 2014 at 2:06 pm -      #34

    “Last thing, have the Green Lanterns ever gone up against someone who is completely immortal? Because Nihilus, Sion and Vitiate are all immortals.”

    Wgats the worst their bodies have recovered from? How about being bfr’d, like being tossed into a sun or blackhole?

  35. Ciridae Hunter September 25, 2014 at 2:16 pm -      #35

    Darth Nihilus is a big advantage for team one as is the Emperor in his prime; Nihilus literally eats planets and everything on them and the Sith Emperor made himself immortal through use of the Force. Each of the greats in the Star Wars universe have great mind-manipulating abilities to the point where it did not matter whether it was a weak or strong mind; Revan’s manipulation of the Sith Emperor proves that. All it takes to make a Green Lantern powerless is overcoming their willpower-the very reason why the Sinestro Corp is the archenemy of the Green Lanterns.

    A little manipulation from them could turn most of not all of the Lanterns into sniveling, powerless peons that would only serve as snacks for Nihilus and fuel for the Sith Emperors transcendence.

    Do the Sith keep the Star Forge since it can create Force-sensitive warriors or is it just non-synthetics?

  36. Xornell September 25, 2014 at 2:30 pm -      #36

    At school. Can’t respond well. May go point to point later.

    I’m obviously not saying the force users are going to beat down the gls. They aren’t. What I’m saying is that it isn’t gl protocol to fly off a planet they’re already on, at ftl, and nuke said planet from orbit. They have been shown to prefer to fight on a planet, right next to enemies, even if nuking them from space was easier. Pis and cis are both responsible for this.

    Now, as I was saying, team 1 has a very specific set of hax, namely mindrape, transfer essence, immortality, and nihilus force drain, that makes this not a stomp. Vitiate is who I had in mind for the bulk of mind rape. Of course there are thousands of Sith here, so it would in no way be limited to him.

    Vitiate looks at the gls and some of them immediately fall under his control. The current gl corps is almost entirely nubs who just got enlisted and have very little experience, let alone resistance to mindrape. These gls begin fighting their experienced gl brethren. Nihilius then speaks, and the resulting force drain wipes the life of the enemy lanterns, including Mogo. Assuming there are any lanterns left at the end of this process, and they are able to destroy the planet, there are beings whose essences would remain, such as palpatine or bane. These essences then enter the remaining, combat weary lanterns. This is unexpected and difficult to defend against, and more lanterns fall under Sith control. Could the lanterns survive all of this? Maybe. But I think there’s a pretty good chance they won’t, especially given their current condition. A few hundred nub gls vs a thousand hax Sith lords is a smorgasbord for mind rape.

  37. Xornell September 25, 2014 at 2:31 pm -      #37

    That’s only including a few Sith. No mention of black hole holding Luke or any of the Jedi adding their force abilities to the mix.

  38. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 2:56 pm -      #38

    @Xornell
    ” What I’m saying is that it isn’t gl protocol to fly off a planet they’re already on, at ftl, and nuke said planet from orbit. They have been shown to prefer to fight on a planet, right next to enemies, even if nuking them from space was easier. Pis and cis are both responsible for this.”

    PiS is responsible for this, not CiS. Why?
    1. Because GLs HAVE been shown to nuke things from space.
    2. There is no evidence of a CiS existing which would stop them from nuking from space.

    The thing about CiS is, it’s a positive claim, and it needs to be proven.
    Saying that a characters CiS stops them from doing something, just because they don’t usually do it, isn’t actually CiS at all… but is rather PiS.

    If a character does indeed have a CiS which stops him from doing something, it needs to be IMPLIED or SUGGESTED for it to be taken into consideration.

    Forexample, does Supermans CiS stop him from punching enemies at FTL? No. PiS stops him from doing it.
    Why do we know it’s PiS and not CiS? Because no evidence suggests/implies the Character doesn’t want to do it, but rather the PLOT doesn’t want him to do it.

    It’s the exact same scenario here. For all intents and purposes, we should assume the GLs will infact nuke from space.
    Because they’re fully capable of doing so.
    Because they have no proven reason not to do so.
    Because they have already been shown to do so.
    And most importantly, because it’s the most efficient way to go about this match with the least casualties.

  39. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 3:04 pm -      #39

    @Xornell
    ” namely mindrape,”

    This will likely work on the Noobs, which there is alot of… but how effectively does it work exactly?
    Mind rape is a vague term.

    ” transfer essence, ”

    Once again, vague term.

    ” immortality,”

    Are we talking deadpool style immortality? or Voldemort style immortality?
    To be honest, neither of the above would be a massive game changer, just an annoyance.

    ” and nihilus force drain”

    While i am willing to accept it travels much faster than the speed of sound (since that would be illogical), i am not willing to accept that it happens instantly (since almost nothing truly happens instantly) until proven.
    Nothing suggests that it happens FTL.

    “Vitiate looks at the gls and some of them immediately fall under his control. The current gl corps is almost entirely nubs who just got enlisted and have very little experience,”

    Does “will” play a factor here?
    Jedi mindrape is specifically stated to only work on the weak willed, so i’d imagine it would also play a part with the Siths mindrape.. however to a lesser degree.
    While the current green lanterns are noobie, they are still strong willed. Extremely strong willed, compared to most humans.
    So i would like some info on this mind rape.

    “Nihilius then speaks, and the resulting force drain wipes the life of the enemy lanterns, ”

    Or… you know… he dies in the first 0.0000001 second of the match, along with 99% of the rest of his team.

    You’re assuming everything happens ideally for team 1, while team 2 just derps around.
    When infact BOTH teams will be working at maximum efficiency, which gives team 2 a massive advantage in terms of their speed and the sheer amount of nukes that they have.

  40. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 3:14 pm -      #40

    @Ciridae Hunter
    “Nihilus literally eats planets and everything on them”

    He eats planets too? i thought he just consumed the life force on it?
    Proof please.

    “and the Sith Emperor made himself immortal through use of the Force. ”

    Not really relevant unless he can solo the GL corps.

    “All it takes to make a Green Lantern powerless is overcoming their willpower-the very reason why the Sinestro Corp is the archenemy of the Green Lanterns.”

    And the GLs have kicked Sinestros ass plenty of times, DESPITE him having the power of fear.

    “A little manipulation from them could turn most of not all of the Lanterns into sniveling, powerless peons that would only serve as snacks for Nihilus and fuel for the Sith Emperors transcendence.”

    Or… you know… 99% of team 1 dies in the first millisecond of the match.
    For fucks sake, can everyone stop ignoring the speed difference here?
    Speed is and always has been a major point in every BankGambling match.
    Stop ignoring it just so team 1 can have a fighting chance.

    @GMoney
    “I’d like to add that just because the lanterns are capable of moving FTL doesn’t mean they are capable of reacting at FTL”

    And no one in team 1 can react at anywhere near relativistic speeds either.

    “, and Nihilus was in space when he did this therefore the spell must have been using a medium other than sound.”

    Still doesn’t prove its speed. Calling it “instant” is bullshit.

    “Also, can the Green Lanterns do anything about force ghosts? ”

    Hardlight constructs have worked on ethereal things before.

    ” We have seen force ghosts act on the material world and they can only be hurt with the force.”

    According to BankGambling rules, if an enemy can’t be hurt without a specific condition, which would be impossible for anyone in a different fictional universe to meet, they are given a way to deal with said enemy.
    Edit: However, since this is a faction battle, i’m not so sure if that rule applies.

    “Last thing, have the Green Lanterns ever gone up against someone who is completely immortal? Because Nihilus, Sion and Vitiate are all immortals.”

    That term is vague as fuck. Give specifics.

  41. GMoney September 25, 2014 at 3:25 pm -      #41

    “Wgats the worst their bodies have recovered from? How about being bfr’d, like being tossed into a sun or blackhole?”

    Nihilus is literally a soul encased in a suit of armor. He ripped his soul out of his body and put in into another object and he is capable of doing it again so BFR is almost out of the question. He was only capable of being killed by another wound in the force, which is basically his kryptonite.

    Sion uses his incredible willpower and force power to keep his literally decaying body alive. He can only be killed by being convinced to die, but if you put him in enough pain it is possible he may allow himself to die, but that is not an easy task. However, he can only revive his own body so if you bfr’ed him he would be dead.

    Vitiate became immortal by sacrificing 8000
    Sith Lords in a ritual. He was incapable of being killed and he took everything anyone who faced him could dish out with no damage and was only beaten by being put into an endless sleep. He could also split his soul into multiple bodies which could make it harder to BFR him. He was literally so powerful with mind rape that he could mentally dominate anyone just by looking at them and the only people who resisted him were Revan and the RPG protagonist from SW:TOR.

  42. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 3:30 pm -      #42

    “Nihilus is literally a soul encased in a suit of armor. He ripped his soul out of his body and put in into another object and he is capable of doing it again so BFR is almost out of the question”

    Wait… how does this make BFR out of the question? Why can’t his soul be BFRd or trapped?
    GLs have trapped ethereal entities plenty of times.

    “Sion uses his incredible willpower and force power to keep his literally decaying body alive”

    That my friend, is a NLF.
    Proof that he can survive (and escape) being thrown into the sun, and being destroyed on an atomic level, for all eternity.

    ” He was incapable of being killed and he took everything anyone who faced him could dish out with no damage and was only beaten by being put into an endless sleep.”

    Proof that he can survive (and escape) being thrown into the sun, and being destroyed on an atomic level, for all eternity.

    ” and the only people who resisted him were Revan and the RPG protagonist from SW:TOR.”

    Reason for why they resisted it?
    Let me guess, strong will?

  43. GMoney September 25, 2014 at 3:52 pm -      #43

    “Wait… how does this make BFR out of the question? Why can’t his soul be BFRd or trapped?
    GLs have trapped ethereal entities plenty of times.”

    How did they do it?

    “That my friend, is a NLF.
    Proof that he can survive (and escape) being thrown into the sun, and being destroyed on an atomic level, for all eternity.”

    His immortality is tied to his pain tolerance, you have to break his willpower for him to die, sort of like the green lanterns. If he was thrown into a sun his body would be broken down but he would technically be alive, just unable to act upon the battle unless the heat of the sun overwhelmed his willpower.

    “Proof that he can survive (and escape) being thrown into the sun, and being destroyed on an atomic level, for all eternity.”

    He was literally unaffected by anything anyone ever attacked him with. And I wasn’t saying that he could escape from a sun, just that it might be harder than simply throwing the guy in, as he also has a weird version of transfer essence.

    Transfer essence is a force power where the person rips their souls out of their bodies and transports them into another body, forcibly taking over the body from it’s previous owner, willing or unwilling. Nihilus was capable of transferring his soul into an inanimate object. The Emperor also knew transfer essence but instead of transferring his soul he put a portion of it in different bodies ala Voldemort. Several other force users are also capable of transfer essence such as Darth Bane and Exar Kun.

    “Reason for why they resisted it?
    Let me guess, strong will?”

    Actually no, Revan got over because his memory was erased which wiped his mind of Vitiate’s influence. The RPG protagonist did it via plot shields. (standard “chosen champion” stuff)

  44. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 4:03 pm -      #44

    “He was literally unaffected by anything anyone ever attacked him with”

    10 bucks says no one has ever attacked him with the power of the sun.

    “Transfer essence is a force power where the person rips their souls out of their bodies and transports them into another body, forcibly taking over the body from it’s previous owner, willing or unwilling.”

    Has this ever failed? I’m willing to bet it has, at some point. If so, what was the reason for it failing?
    It needs to have some sort of limits or faults.

    More importantly though, how fast is this done? and can it be done while the character is distracted (under attack) as fuck?

    “The RPG protagonist did it via plot shields. (standard “chosen champion” stuff)”

    did it specifically say because he’s the chosen champion? or was it left unexplained?
    If the latter, we can assume anyone can break the mind control with enough will.

  45. Ciridae Hunter September 25, 2014 at 4:22 pm -      #45

    Nihilus survived what I assume to be a Dark Matter bomb, though it is called the Great Shadow or something along those lines-in comparison of raw power, glassing a planet or nuking it hardly stands up to the very thing that caused him to be a Wound in the Force

    Soul Transferrence is the ability to put your own soul into another body; not sure if the body had to be soulless or a clone, but I assume that a soul could be ousted out of its own body with enough Force Manipulation.

    Mind Domination (or “Mind-Rape” as it was so eloquently called) is the ability to use the Force to instill or remove suggestions or thoughts from a person’s/entity’s mind; much like how Battle Meditation works to demoralize enemies/invigorate allies and how the Sith Emperor was able to sway Darth Revan and Darth Malak, Mind Domination is a form of advanced Neuromancy that allows for partial or complete control of another mind or group of minds.

    Nihilus’ ability is basically the mass consumption of the Force-or life essence-of anything animate; though he might not necessarily eat a physical planet (been a while since I read the comics so not too sure) it’s lefe essence is his domain.

    Nihilus could be described as the Black Lantern of the Sith in that respect; he is a Bringer of Death, his very presence drains people of their lives over time and his hunger and need to survive make him feral to the point where he had to consume planets just to see next week.

    If the Lanterns could survive that (big “if” in this case), they would have to deal with his assassins, since their training makes them more powerful as they are around more powerful people, as well as Darth Bane’s death wall (Nihilus’ ability only on smaller scale; needs aids to be used).

    Then there was Mind Domination…
    The Lanterns aren’t exactly known for their immunity to it, since the influence of the Black Lantern easily overcame those whom were slain-even a revived Superman fell prey to that domination. A single Lantern could perhaps counter one use of Mind Domination, but with a combination of Battle Meditation and Mind Domination the Lanterns would be easy picking for the Jedi/Sith.

    Also, if the Lanterns can nuke a planet in this match, does that mean that Team One gets the Death Star and the Star Forge? If not-and assuming that no one could leave Cuba (very random locale)-then nuking it is out of the question since they would have to die as well.

  46. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 5:01 pm -      #46

    No mention on how fast any of this hax force stuff is done?

    “The Lanterns aren’t exactly known for their immunity to it, since the influence of the Black Lantern easily overcame those whom were slain-even a revived Superman fell prey to that domination.”

    The fact that the Black Lanterns overcame superman just proves how powerful they were.
    Sith do not have feats of such great degree.

    “If the Lanterns could survive that (big “if” in this case), they would have to deal with his assassins”

    They don’t need to survive it, they just speedblits & nuke.
    You’re dealing with people that can move Faster Than Light here, and can destroy planets with ease.

    “Also, if the Lanterns can nuke a planet in this match, does that mean that Team One gets the Death Star and the Star Forge?”

    The Lanterns would do the nuking with their own powers… Since when does a Sith have the power of the Death Star?
    And it wouldn’t really help, considering it would be destroyed in the fraction of a second.

    “? If not-and assuming that no one could leave Cuba (very random locale)”

    You’re never limited to the battle location unless specified, they are free to leave.

    “then nuking it is out of the question since they would have to die as well.”

    It isn’t out of the question at all.
    Green Lanterns (some of them anyways) can very easily survive planet busting attacks with their shields.
    So even IF they couldn’t leave Cuba, they would pop up their shields and nuke it anyways.

  47. GMoney September 25, 2014 at 5:05 pm -      #47

    “Are we talking deadpool style immortality? or Voldemort style immortality?
    To be honest, neither of the above would be a massive game changer, just an annoyance.”

    It’s more akin to Drafon Ball Z style immortality.

    “Or… you know… 99% of team 1 dies in the first millisecond of the match.
    For fucks sake, can everyone stop ignoring the speed difference here?
    Speed is and always has been a major point in every BankGambling match.
    Stop ignoring it just so team 1 can have a fighting chance.”

    You need to prove that anyone in the GL has lightless reactions. I know they can move light speed but I’ve never seen them react FTL. And force users ain’t exactly slow either, even a Padawan moves faster than the eye can track and the higher ups can move hypersonic+.

    “10 bucks says no one has ever attacked him with the power of the sun.”

    He took a Force Storm, a more powerful version of force Lightning, from Revan and all it did was knock him down, it didn’t even hurt him. Force Storm is capable of reducing starship grade armor into nothingness, and EU Star Wars ships can tank multiple Multi-Gigatons shots even without shields.

    “Has this ever failed? I’m willing to bet it has, at some point. If so, what was the reason for it failing?
    It needs to have some sort of limits or faults.”

    It has only failed one time, and it is speculated that the person did complete the possession but lied about it to get away. It supposedly failed because the force user Darth Bane tried to invade was stronger in the force than him.

    “did it specifically say because he’s the chosen champion? or was it left unexplained?
    If the latter, we can assume anyone can break the mind control with enough will.”

    The protagonist is broken out of the spell the first time by Vitiate’s traitorous apprentice but it is never explained how the protagonist avoids it the next time beyond a vague ‘the force is with me’

    “The Lanterns would do the nuking with their own powers… Since when does a Sith have the power of the Death Star?
    And it wouldn’t really help, considering it would be destroyed in the fraction of a second.”

    Several Sith have the power to induce a supernova such as Exar Kun

  48. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 5:14 pm -      #48

    “It’s more akin to Drafon Ball Z style immortality.”

    So resurrection after prolonged periods of time?
    It’s irrelevant in this match.

    “You need to prove that anyone in the GL has lightless reactions”

    They don’t need to.
    They can just fly up into space, at FTL.

    “He took a Force Storm, a more powerful version of force Lightning, ”

    10 bucks says it’s not as powerful as the sun.

    “Force Storm is capable of reducing starship grade armor into nothingness, ”

    Yep, i was right. Not as powerful as the sun.

    “Several Sith have the power to induce a supernova such as Exar Kun”

    Post the feats please. If this is true, it would be a game changer for team 1.

    Anddd you seem to have ignored an important question of mine:
    ‘”More importantly though, how fast is this done? and can it be done while the character is distracted (under attack) as fuck?”

    I’m assuming you ignored it because you don’t have an answer?

  49. GMoney September 25, 2014 at 5:15 pm -      #49

    And the Sith do have the Rakghoul Plague and the Amulet of Karness Murr, and Karness Murr himself which could be team 1s ace in the hole.

  50. GMoney September 25, 2014 at 5:32 pm -      #50

    “So resurrection after prolonged periods of time?
    It’s irrelevant in this match.”

    No, more like how if the dragon grants you immortality you are completely immortal. As in indestructible.

    “Post the feats please. If this is true, it would be a game changer for team 1.”

    Kun, his apprentice, and his predecessor Naga Sadow used several force enhancing crystals inside the ship called the Corsair to rip out the core of a star. Here’s a cited article about it:
    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Corsair

    “Anddd you seem to have ignored an important question of mine:
    ‘”More importantly though, how fast is this done? and can it be done while the character is distracted (under attack) as fuck?”

    I’m assuming you ignored it because you don’t have an answer?”

    I missed that one. Yes, force users have used it in battle. Bane used it while he fought his apprentice and Palpatine used it multiple times when he was fighting and even when he was shot in the back.

  51. Turtle Commando September 25, 2014 at 5:35 pm -      #51

    Say, we seem to be focusing a lot on the Old Republic Sith. But what about Han’s kid? I think his Sith name was Darth Cade or something? Then you have to start going into the jedi. And we have to actually look at everything the force can do, not just the raw power. How powerful can they get their pre-cog to be? How fast can they buff themselves to be? And if we have all the Jedi/Sith does this include the Force Gods? The Daughter is essentially the Prototype Jedi and The Son is essentially the Prototype Sith.

    Other than that, I haven’t really paid any attention to Star Wars or GL. Just thought I’d mention these guys considering I don’t recall reading any prior comments.

  52. GMoney September 25, 2014 at 5:40 pm -      #52

    “Say, we seem to be focusing a lot on the Old Republic Sith. But what about Han’s kid? I think his Sith name was Darth Carn or something? Then you have to start going into the jedi. And we have to actually look at everything the force can do, not just the raw power. How powerful can they get their pre-cog to be? How fast can they buff themselves to be? And if we have all the Jedi/Sith does this include the Force Gods? The Daughter is essentially the Prototype Jedi and The Son is essentially the Prototype Sith.
    Other than that, I haven’t really paid any attention to Star Wars or GL. Just thought I’d mention these guys considering I don’t recall reading any prior comments.”

    I don’t think the Son and Daughter would be in this as they aren’t affiliated with either order, and they would make it a stomp considering they are as close to Gods as Star Wars has. Darth Caedus is the Sith I think your taking about and he wasn’t that impressive. And the only truly impressive Jedi is EU Luke Skywalker.

  53. Turtle Commando September 25, 2014 at 5:48 pm -      #53

    Cool. LIke I said, I didn’t really know. All I know are some basic names and I read a few comics based on the New Republic.

    But that’s cool I just remembered hearing that the Skywalkers and the Solos were pretty powerful. And then I played Jedi Academy back in the day. And so I remember Jaeden and Kyle Katarn and the whole deal with Marka Ragnos and the stuff like that. But now that I compare it to the stuff like Nihilus from KOTOR II It really isn’t that impressive.

  54. Cassie Hack September 25, 2014 at 5:56 pm -      #54

    Black lantern rings never dominated minds.

  55. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 6:10 pm -      #55

    @GMoney
    “No, more like how if the dragon grants you immortality you are completely immortal. As in indestructible.”

    This has never happened in Dragon Ball Z, and this is very clearly a No Limit Fallacy.
    The word “Indestructible” is bullshit. Everything can be destroyed by something stronger.
    So, we assume he can still be BFRed into the sun, and permanently dealt with for the sake of the match.

    “Kun, his apprentice, and his predecessor Naga Sadow used several force enhancing crystals inside the ship called the Corsair to rip out the core of a star. Here’s a cited article about it:”

    It clearly required prep time and artifacts/items which said characters will not have on them during this match, nor will they have time to complete this procedure.
    This doesn’t fall under “a character being able to star bust”.
    Completely irrelevant to this match.

    ” Yes, force users have used it in battle. Bane used it while he fought his apprentice and Palpatine used it multiple times when he was fighting and even when he was shot in the back.”

    How fast?

    @Turtle Commando
    “How powerful can they get their pre-cog to be?”

    Doesn’t matter, it won’t help them survive planet busting.

    “How fast can they buff themselves to be? ”

    Not as fast as Green Lanterns.

    “And if we have all the Jedi/Sith does this include the Force Gods?”

    If team 1 gets the Force Gods, team 2 gets Eon.

    “But that’s cool I just remembered hearing that the Skywalkers and the Solos were pretty powerful. ”

    They are pretty powerful.
    But these are superhero comics you’re dealing with… People that can move hundreds of times faster than light, and people that can create Solar System sized constructs with their rings.
    Entirely different league.

  56. GMoney September 25, 2014 at 6:29 pm -      #56

    “This has never happened in Dragon Ball Z, and this is very clearly a No Limit Fallacy.
    The word “Indestructible” is bullshit. Everything can be destroyed by something stronger.
    So, we assume he can still be BFRed into the sun, and permanently dealt with for the sake of the match.”

    Garlic Jr. Was made unkillable by the Dragon Balls, they had to banish him. That’s the kind of immortality I’m talking about. Also, even if the sun did kill Vitiate he could transfer his spirit into a body of a Green Lantern, or one of his multiple host bodies.

    “It clearly required prep time and artifacts/items which said characters will not have on them during this match, nor will they have time to complete this procedure.
    This doesn’t fall under “a character being able to star bust”.
    Completely irrelevant to this match.”

    Wouldn’t characters get their standard arsenal?

    “How fast?”

    His spirit jumped out of his dying body and then his clone body with Palpatine’s soul in it woke up.

    “They are pretty powerful.
    But these are superhero comics you’re dealing with… People that can move hundreds of times faster than light, and people that can create Solar System sized constructs with their rings.”

    Weren’t the high tier GL feats all pre-New 52, which is the incarnation we are using?

    Also the GL don’t have a counter to the Muur Talismen as of yet, or Nihilus’ force drain as we have not yet seen them react at FTL only move FTL.

  57. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 6:54 pm -      #57

    “Also, even if the sun did kill Vitiate he could transfer his spirit into a body of a Green Lantern, ”

    Proof he can do this while his body is being broken down on an atomic level.

    “Wouldn’t characters get their standard arsenal?”

    I really suggest you read the link you posted.
    How on earth would that help in this match?

    “Weren’t the high tier GL feats all pre-New 52, which is the incarnation we are using?”

    Not really. John Stewart specifically has some insane new52 feats. (He created a Hard light Solar System sized construct… just caus he can…)
    Plus, as Xornell stated on a different thread, pre-flashpoint events haven’t been retconned, only pre-crises was. Meaning a small group of rookie GLs holding back a blackhole is included.

    “Also the GL don’t have a counter to the Muur Talismen as of yet,”

    Care to explain what this is?

    “or Nihilus’ force drain as we have not yet seen them react at FTL only move FTL.”

    Why are you implying Nihilus can react at FTL?
    They can still just fly away before he speaks…. Not to mention when he does speak, he’s gunna kill him entire team.

  58. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 7:08 pm -      #58

    For the record, Sodam Yat is still alive & well in the new52, and i think he’s the same character from before… Meaning i don’t think the Flashpoint retcon changed his history. (@Xornell Confirm please?)
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodam_Yat
    Heck he’s even in the picture being used for the match. Far left.

    He’s part of a race called “Daxamite”, who are a cousin race of the kryptonians, and share all the same powers & weaknesses.
    So imagine Superman with a green lantern ring, and possessed by Eon (the embodiment of Will)… That’s Sodam Yat.

  59. GMoney September 25, 2014 at 7:13 pm -      #59

    “Proof he can do this while his body is being broken down on an atomic level.”

    He split his soul amongst multiple bodies. Sure you can kill one, but his other bodies will be unaffected.

    “Not really. John Stewart specifically has some insane new52 feats. (He created a Hard light Solar System sized construct… just caus he can…)
    Plus, as Xornell stated on a different thread, pre-flashpoint events haven’t been retconned, only pre-crises was. Meaning a small group of rookie GLs holding back a blackhole is included.”

    Hmm, then I guess the GL will kill the Sith if none of their auto kills work.

    “Care to explain what this is?”
    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rakghoul_plague
    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Muur_Talisman

    “Why are you implying Nihilus can react at FTL?
    They can still just fly away before he speaks…. Not to mention when he does speak, he’s gunna kill him entire team.”

    I’m not. I’m saying we need proof that GLs react at FTL before we assume they will fly away. The GL aren’t going to automatically know what Nihilus will do to them, and even then they may not be able to react in time. I’ve read only a couple of GL comics as they were never my interest but I’ve never seen them react at FTL. Could you post a scan of them reacting at FTL?

  60. Ciridae Hunter September 25, 2014 at 7:14 pm -      #60

    “Black Lantern rings never dominate minds”

    I’m sure Superman would agree with you…

  61. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 7:27 pm -      #61

    “He split his soul amongst multiple bodies. Sure you can kill one, but his other bodies will be unaffected.”

    Would splitting his soul be something he would think about while in the middle of a fight?
    Nonetheless, after the planet busting is done, the remainder can be contained and BFRed one by one… unless you think a handful of the remaining Sith can take on the entire Corps.

    “The GL aren’t going to automatically know what Nihilus will do to them”

    And Nihilus won’t know what the GLs will do to him, specially since… you know… Nihilus isn’t really the smartest fella around.
    Oh, and for the record, both sides get basic info about the other side.

    The difference is that GLs have already been shown to nuke from orbit, and it’s the safest and best bet for their team.
    Whereas Nihilus will literally be killing everyone in his team.

    “and even then they may not be able to react in time”

    I’d like to see how fast Nihilus can react too.

    “Could you post a scan of them reacting at FTL?”

    They fight FTL opponents, who are proven to have FTL reaction times, such as Superman.
    However there’s no way to prove they themselves are capable of it. Just powerscaling.

    but powerscaling + FTL movement speed gives us a pretty safe bet that they can react faster than Darth Nihilus.

  62. GMoney September 25, 2014 at 7:35 pm -      #62

    @Ragnorke
    I guess that settles it then, looks like the corps win.

  63. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 7:43 pm -      #63

    www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3368248

    Making armies of Light Constructs is something that’s done pretty regularly, chances are they would be durable enough to tank lightsabers (since they an take a few hits from supes), and would provide an excellent distraction.

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/2835587-green_lantern_corps_016_10.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/2835590-green_lantern_corps_016_12.jpg
    Casually destroying a pretty big space ship by flying through it

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/3956473-green-lantern-corps-033-%282014%29-%28digital%29-%28nahga-empire%29-009.jpg
    Tanking multiple hits from an amped Durlan, who was at planet busting levels.

    Also, shouldn’t Kyle Rayner be included?
    I mean technically he’s a “White Lantern”…but he’s still a greenie in spirit & loyalty. He just got an upgrade, but it didn’t change his faction or affiliation at all.

  64. Warlock Lowk September 25, 2014 at 8:10 pm -      #64

    So I just recalled something else about Mogo. She was able to tear and protect every green lantern away from Valthoom’s influence who at the time was a reality warper and draining life force from them.
    So nihilus and mind warping might not be the best offensive while Mogo rockin the Green.
    ===
    EDIT
    “Also, shouldn’t Kyle Rayner be included?”

    At this point I think he just counts as an ally. He’s off doing his own thing and they think he’s dead. Had a funeral for him and everything.

  65. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 8:43 pm -      #65

    “At this point I think he just counts as an ally”

    I mean, he might not be a Green Lantern but he’s still a part of the “Corps” isn’t he?

    “So I just recalled something else about Mogo. She was able to tear and protect every green lantern away from Valthoom’s influence who at the time was a reality warper and draining life force from them.”

    Huh… is it just me… or does it seem like that feat was written perfectly for this match up?

  66. Turtle Commando September 25, 2014 at 8:47 pm -      #66

    Meh, Well. I gave my two bits to the only team I really even kind of knew anything about. Comics are faking OP huh? Anyways. I say the Green Lanterns win this. By a stop.

    BTW
    Sup Lowk. Glad you’re still around. Changing your name and avatar like always.

  67. Ragnorke September 25, 2014 at 9:02 pm -      #67

    “Comics are faking OP huh?”

    I calculated Superman to be at 18 billion times the speed of light… so that should tell you something.

    Off Topic: How would new52 supes do against Thanos?
    Thanos beat Thor & Hyperion, who are both casual planet busters… but Supes has a massive speed advantage.
    Or how about the new JL against Thanos? Would they do better than the Avengers?

  68. Turtle Commando September 25, 2014 at 9:25 pm -      #68

    @ Ragnorke

    you know…I honestly don’t remember. I would think the Justice League would actually do better considering the OPness of the JL characters. Unless we are using extended avengers most of their characters vary depending upon the incarnation. But in some cases, the Avengers don’t exactly have the best gambit of super powers. And, while not trying to bash the lesser powered, and non-powered heroes…not all can really be as successful as Batman.

  69. Jake_Uzumaki September 25, 2014 at 10:02 pm -      #69

    @Ragnorke
    Well Thanos as part of Namor’s Cabal recently one hand choked out Supremeverse Hyperion (or whichever had the red with silver H suit) so that’s another thing added to him recently.
    He also made alt universe Xavier beg him to kill him.
    Thanos vs Superman happened on here, Thanos ended up winning mostly due to sheer durability and regen (though there were a couple scans posted where people said he had FTL reflexes just not movement speed)

    But as you said he knocked away Thor and Hyperion like they were children on top of Captain Marvel Carol Danvers (who on her good days can give Wonder Woman a decent fight) plus he pimp slapped the Hulk and sent him flying like a baseball. Arguably it was one of the most power heavy Avengers lineups thrown at any one villain in a while.
    He recently was shown curbstomping Beta Ray Bill and rapestomping Ronan and casually bfring Gladiator.
    And it was revealed that in Cancerverse he was taking on a back to being uberbuff Drax a full power Richard Rider, and a StarLord with a regenerated power Cosmic Cube and they were barely managing to beat him…then they think they killed him…and he walked up and punched through Star Lord’s body…then it was revealed that the Cancerverse gave the Guardians the same can’t die thing Thanos usually has an embargo on for cosmics. Then it was Nova buff Drax and Star Lord and Thanos vs the Cancerverse Revengers..haven’t seen the conclusion to that yet though.
    He’s also apparently going to have a one on one smackdown with the Hulk soon.

    As for the JL’s current lineup…I don’t know if Superman is back on the team yet…or if he survived his falling into a black hole with Braniac stunt..
    And the current Lineup for the JL is a bit…lackluster.
    Batman – useless unless he has that HellBat Anti Darkside armor nonsense unless it was destroyed not sure.
    Cyborg – Useless for anything but BFR…but since Thanos has his own portal tech on his belt/glove yeah useless.
    Flash – not anymore useful than he was with Darkseid.
    Aquaman – Thanos would likely do what he did to Ronan to the poor Atlantean.
    Wonder Woman – best chance to be useful due to her strength but then again…*looks at what happened to Beta Ray Bill*
    Firestorm – not sure he maybe could do something?
    Shazam – may be only other major contender for Thanos in the muscle department…but considering he took Thor’s best shots and asked if he had more….I don’t see Shazam faring much better.
    Lex Luthor – Eh…Thanos might see him as entertaining for a bit.
    Captain Cold – honestly..he apparently lost his powers recently so…he’s a normal human with a freeze ray.

    I feel it would go similar to N52 JL’s battle with Darkseid..only nowhere to bfr him to and Thanos being a bit of a sadomasochist.
    And ironically with fewer much needed powerhouses. Though Manhunter wouldn’t have added much if he was here. Thanos took on MoonDragon with the Mind Gem and managed to beat her back..or tie with her can’t remember.

  70. Jake_Uzumaki September 25, 2014 at 10:31 pm -      #70

    Plus current SuperDoom (Superman is Doomsday…because Doomsday is a transferable virus now) would be a bit detrimental….if Thanos kills Superdoom he becomes DoomThanos…Thanos+Doomsday=everyone is fucked. Just change his name to Thanatos because he’s the new Death god in town.

  71. batman3.14 September 25, 2014 at 11:28 pm -      #71

    Team 1 can take this WITH effort. First of all, have the green lanterns ever been shown to be strategic geniuses (I don’t know- please answer). Well, Revan is a strategic genius, and Bastila Shan can use force battle meditation to give team 1 a HUGE strategic advantage. Many sith will be front line pawns, while Sidious either sits back and creates a black hole and/or fights and creates a black hole (force storm). Even if the lanterns can contain that, they would be overwhelmed by the superior numbers of team 1. NIhilus would sit back and consume all the green lanterns due to him being a wound in the force. If Mogo stood a problem, they would send a couple hundred sparable sith with a thought bomb (force bomb that can destroy entire planets). This would be difficult though because they would generally have to be protected, but the masses of jedi/sith should help with that. Vitiate would corrupt some of the green lanterns, so internal fighting will be a problem for the GLs. We also have to take tutaminis, or force absorb, in account here. Some masters are Revan and Satele Shan. Revan can easily absorb lightning that can turn force users into ash and Satele has absorb lighsaber blades. Pretty sure they could also absorb GL blasts.

  72. Aelfinn September 26, 2014 at 1:51 am -      #72

    There’s something that’s never sat right with me about the “Darth Nihilus speaks and everything dies” feat. It sounds a little bit like a king boasting. You know, something like “I merely need to say the word, and you will die where you stand!” kinda deal. He had an entire fleet and this is EU Star Wars. It’s not that big of an assumption to say he just bombed everything. There’s that weird black cloud going over the planet, as well, which just raises further questions. Was it his actual voice that did the killing? Did he give a command? Did he casually and nonchalantly spread a weird Force-death-cloud-Plague-thing?

    Furthermore, as far as I know he didn’t really use this ability in other cases. Is there more to this story and is an explanation ever given? I just feel it’s very unclear.

  73. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 26, 2014 at 2:36 am -      #73

    “How would new52 supes do against Thanos?”

    *shrugs* Probably the same as any other character that isn’t skyfather+ and just get pimp smacked like no tomorrow.
    =
    “Well Thanos as part of Namor’s Cabal recently one hand choked out Supremeverse Hyperion (or whichever had the red with silver H suit) so that’s another thing added to him recently.”

    Been reading the Supremeverse stuff, honestly it’s pretty lackluster so far. That Hyperion’s best feat is apparently being able to make his punches register on the Richter scale, and nearly dying to a nuke like explosion. Most of the Cabal weren’t needed really to fight them.
    =
    ” Arguably it was one of the most power heavy Avengers lineups thrown at any one villain in a while.”

    Arguably? Who’s done better? Two of those guys have star level strength feats(Thor and Hulk), with Hyperion and Cap Marvel(as Binary anyways)definitely having planetary level feats. The only better lineup I can think of was when the Avengers were working with GotG and Elders of the Universe, which was still against Thanos(lost this one though).
    =
    “He recently was shown curbstomping Beta Ray Bill and rapestomping Ronan and casually bfring Gladiator.”

    He probably could’ve(easily I might add)taken on the whole Annihilator team solo, but apparently Warlock doesn’t like it when Thanos gets off on beating the shit out of superheroes. Who knew?
    =
    “He’s also apparently going to have a one on one smackdown with the Hulk soon.”

    As much as I would love to see that, unless Hulk’s gotten a massive power boost(which I seriously doubt he has, just got a smart boost), and I mean one that makes Worldbreaker look like kid throwing a tantrum(something like what Asura did when he went Berserker or in episode 11.5 of the game), I have a hard time seeing this going anywhere without massive PIS. And this is coming from one of the bigger Hulk supporters on the site. Seriously, the fight should just be this: static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111158055/4037569-thanos+vs+hulk.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11113/111138490/3477470-hulk+v+thanos+infinity+006.jpg but on repeat. Do like how Hulk has that smirk on his face though.

    @Jake Where’d you hear that though?
    =
    “As for the JL’s current lineup…”

    What about the other JL teams? Maybe they could do something?
    =
    “Plus, as Xornell stated on a different thread, pre-flashpoint events haven’t been retconned, only pre-crises was.”

    Does he have any proof for that though? I remember him saying that in one of the threads, but I don’t remember hearing anything for it.
    =
    To add something relevant to the thread:

    Not sure if this is N52 or not, but Hal put up a barrier faster than Flash could react.

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111134695/3660918-7072363154-50999.jpg

    Honestly the only speed feat that I saw when I looked up “n52 green lantern speed feats” that showed FTL reactions(AFAIK anyways).

    Here are two respect threads:

    www.comicvine.com/john-stewart/4005-10451/forums/new-52-green-lantern-john-stewart-respect-thread-681489/

    www.comicvine.com/hal-jordan/4005-11202/forums/new-52-green-lantern-hal-jordan-respect-thread-673285/

  74. Warlock Lowk September 26, 2014 at 3:42 am -      #74

    “Sup Lowk. Glad you’re still around.Changing your name and avatar like always.”

    Sup. And sparringly,BankGambling doesn’t like it when I change anymore.
    ===
    “What about the other JL teams? Maybe they could do something?”

    How resistant is he to magic? Not like energy blast but like actual hax stuff.
    ===
    “Does he have any proof for that though?”

    Actually they do show past events partaining to GL lives with when the First lantern is fucking with them. However I think I should note that there might have been some slight retcons to them like when they went up against the black lanterns.

  75. Ragnorke September 26, 2014 at 8:14 am -      #75

    @Jake & CH1
    “*shrugs* Probably the same as any other character that isn’t skyfather+ and just get pimp smacked like no tomorrow.”

    While for the most part i agree with this, due to how durable Thanos is… but NO SUPERHERO Marvel has been shown to move at 18 billion times the speed of light… Ever… (without using hyperspace)
    I really don’t see how Thanos would be able to touch Supes.

    @batman3.14
    “First of all, have the green lanterns ever been shown to be strategic geniuses (I don’t know- please answer)”

    Yes actually. Stewart and Hal have lead multiple battles, and have made plans to minimize casualties and etc..

    “Bastila Shan can use force battle meditation to give team 1 a HUGE strategic advantage.”

    Strategy doesn’t matter when your opponent can move Faster Than Light and destroy the entire planet in the millisecond.
    Did you even read the posts in this thread?

    ” while Sidious either sits back and creates a black hole and/or fights and creates a black hole (force storm).”

    Rookie green lanterns were able to contain a blackhole.
    Not that the force storm is proven to actually have the real effects of a black hole anyways.

    ” NIhilus would sit back and consume all the green lanterns due to him being a wound in the force. ”

    He would be speedblitsed.

    “they would send a couple hundred sparable sith with a thought bomb (force bomb that can destroy entire planets)”

    Since when can these Sith fly across planets?
    And doesn’t matter, they would be speedblitsed.

    “, but the masses of jedi/sith should help with that”

    The masses of the jedi/sith would be dead in 0.000001 seconds.

    “Revan can easily absorb lightning that can turn force users into ash and Satele has absorb lighsaber blades. Pretty sure they could also absorb GL blasts.”

    Aha… Jon Stewart can create constructs as big as a Solar System, goodluck absorbing that.

    @CH1
    “Arguably? Who’s done better?”

    The Annihilators was the most powerful Superhero line-up in Marvel history.
    They had Quassar, Silver Surfer, Ronan, BRB, Nova, Gladiator, and Adam fucking Warlock.
    Current Avengers can’t really compete, i mean i love Thor, and he’s definitely up there, but the annihilators has too much hax.

    “He probably could’ve(easily I might add)taken on the whole Annihilator team solo,”

    Yep.
    Well… He did BFR beta… And Warlock was stopping Quassar from using his Gauntlet… so MAYBE Thanos wouldn’t have been able to fight them all at once.

    “He’s also apparently going to have a one on one smackdown with the Hulk soon.”

    If Hulk manages to make Thanos so much as flinch, it’s due to PiS.
    We already saw them have a “smackdown” during Infinity, how did that turn out?

    “Not sure if this is N52 or not, but Hal put up a barrier faster than Flash could react.”

    That isn’t new52, but reaction times shouldn’t have been changed tbh.
    Powerscaling still shows GLs having pretty high reaction times, if not FTL.

    @Lowk
    “How resistant is he to magic? Not like energy blast but like actual hax stuff.”

    Considering Adam Warlock is one of the only people that regularly beats Thanos… and considering he uses magic… i’d say Thanos is quite vulnerable to it.

  76. Jake_Uzumaki September 26, 2014 at 8:15 am -      #76

    “Arguably? Who’s done better? Two of those guys have star level strength feats(Thor and Hulk), with Hyperion and Cap Marvel(as Binary anyways)definitely having planetary level feats. The only better lineup I can think of was when the Avengers were working with GotG and Elders of the Universe, which was still against Thanos(lost this one though).”

    I meant that the current Avengers full lineup has a lot of other crazy hax on their side like Starbrand and Captain Universe who weren’t there but have been on the team with those three recently. I doubt those two would have added much though.

    “He probably could’ve(easily I might add)taken on the whole Annihilator team solo, but apparently Warlock doesn’t like it when Thanos gets off on beating the shit out of superheroes. Who knew?”

    I still can’t believe he was actually getting off on beating Ronan like a level 100 boss vs a noob.

    “Where’d you hear that though?”
    KMC forums they posted a preview image couldn’t find the image but found this marvel.com/news/comics/23257/titans_collide_in_hulk_vs_thanos

    “What about the other JL teams? Maybe they could do something?”

    Maybe JL Dark but I’m not sure I’d have to double check Thanos’s track record with out and out hax.
    ———————–
    Since we’re discussing Thanos…how powerful would a Gas Giant exploding be?

  77. batman3.14 September 26, 2014 at 11:20 am -      #77

    @ Aelfinn

    It can be a bit confusing. Basically Nihilus is powered by consuming the force out of everything. Since all organics (including plants) have some midicholrians it effects all living things. It is basically a really fancy kind of force drain. When he takes out all of the force out of a living being, it dies. His voice is not actually doing the killing, it is a way of doing the action, like the waving of the hand. He uses his voice as a means of transporting the force attack. Even when trying not to be lethal, anyone who hears his voice starts to slowly die. That is why everyone on his ship are zombies, more or less.

    Sidious himself has also done a similar action. He drained an entire population of a planet using a mammoth sized force drain, he just decided use different means instead of his voice to carry it out.

  78. Ragnorke September 26, 2014 at 12:29 pm -      #78

    @batman3.14
    “Basically Nihilus is powered by consuming the force out of everything. Since all organics (including plants) have some midicholrians it effects all living things. It is basically a really fancy kind of force drain. When he takes out all of the force out of a living being, it dies.”

    Actually, i think it was mentioned that only things from the Star Wars galaxy have midicholrians in their bodies.
    Since during the clone wars series, there was some faction/race from a different galaxy, that had no affiliation with the force… and thus could not be found using the force.
    In a similar sense, the GLs wouldn’t be “included” in the force either, since not ALL living things are apart of it, but rather only all the living things IN the starwars galaxies.
    Therefor chances are that nihilus’ force drain wouldn’t work at all.

    Not that it matters, due to the reasons discussed above, the GLs simply speekblits and nuke.

  79. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 26, 2014 at 3:56 pm -      #79

    “While for the most part i agree with this, due to how durable Thanos is… but NO SUPERHERO Marvel has been shown to move at 18 billion times the speed of light… ”

    *shrugs* The closest that I know of is Thor’s hammer throw to the edge of the galaxy in 60 seconds, and Thanos casually deals with that. Other than that, Gladiator’s was flying pretty fast when Thanos BFR’d him, he’s dodged the SS who’s probably one of Marvel’s faster people. He’s also dealt with the Runner who had the space gem(?). He’s dealt with speed, this shouldn’t be an issue either.
    =
    “The Annihilators was the most powerful Superhero line-up in Marvel history.
    They had Quassar, Silver Surfer, Ronan, BRB, Nova, Gladiator, and Adam fucking Warlock.
    Current Avengers can’t really compete, i mean i love Thor, and he’s definitely up there, but the annihilators has too much hax.”

    He was talking specifically about Avengers lineup, but yea, Annihilators are their most powerful for sure though.

    Now add in Sentry, Blue Marvel, Hyperion, Thor, Captain Marvel, and some random other characters and you got a team almost no one can mess with.

    Forgot to ask, did you finish Doomed?
    =
    “Well… He did BFR beta… And Warlock was stopping Quassar from using his Gauntlet… so MAYBE Thanos wouldn’t have been able to fight them all at once.”

    He BFR’d Gladiator because he didn’t feel like dealing with him at the time(BFR is a legitimate strategy, just like camping), and Warlock only stopped Quasar because he didn’t want Thanos to get off on him like he did Ronan. So, yea, he could’ve.
    =
    “If Hulk manages to make Thanos so much as flinch, it’s due to PiS.”

    I wouldn’t go that far(seeing how Hulk with Drax has knocked Thanos on his ass before), but he definitely has no business fighting Thanos single highhandedly. Like I said, without a massive powerboost(akin to what Berserker Asura was to normal Asura)that makes Worldbreaker look like a push over, he doesn’t stand a chance.
    =
    We already saw them have a “smackdown” during Infinity, how did that turn out?”

    To be fair, Hulk didn’t really seem at all out of the game after that. He even smirked afterwards like he wanted to get hit again.
    =
    “I meant that the current Avengers full lineup has a lot of other crazy hax on their side like Starbrand and Captain Universe who weren’t there but have been on the team with those three recently. I doubt those two would have added much though.”

    Fair enough.
    =
    “I still can’t believe he was actually getting off on beating Ronan like a level 100 boss vs a noob.”

    I forget who Jim was talking about, but he was talking to the creator of one of the characters(I think BRB’s creator?)and apologized to him for treating his character so badly and then said something along the lines of: “but I’m treating Ronan worse,” as consolation.
    =
    “KMC forums they posted a preview image couldn’t find the image but found this”

    So, not going to be Worldbreaker… I don’t see how Hulk’s going to do anything but knock Thanos down a few times, but he won’t do anything seriously… Well, guess Thanos is going to learn what it’s like to throw down with Hulk now

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160573/4023071-3040909691-Thano.jpg

    Well, Hulk’s in space now, so at least he has no reason to hold back anymore(other than stranding himself forever after destroying a planet or two, but whatever).
    =
    “Maybe JL Dark but I’m not sure I’d have to double check Thanos’s track record with out and out hax.”

    I’d imagine it’d be good, otherwise why not just throw Scarlet Witch and Dr Strange at him and be done with it(can’t seem to think of more magic users, huh)?

  80. Ragnorke September 26, 2014 at 4:06 pm -      #80

    ” otherwise why not just throw Scarlet Witch and Dr Strange at him and be done with it”

    Speaking of Scarlet Witch, did you know she gets her powers from an Elder God? I just recently found out,
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chthon_(Marvel_Comics)

    She was born the exact moment (and at a nearby location) when the High Evolutionary banished the elder god of black magic “Chthon”.
    She was tainted by him or something.

  81. batman3.14 September 26, 2014 at 5:16 pm -      #81

    @Ragnorke

    You are right. In the EU, the Vong, which were from another galaxy, could not be affected by the force. Most offensive force abilites did not even work on the Vong, so if we assume the same with the GLs, then all the sith and jedi can do is swing lighsabers around. Obviously, then, team 2 would crush them. If the GLs were susceptible to the force, though, they would lose. Also, you say that the GLs can move at the speed of light so they would speedblitz and win. Jedi and Sith move incredibly fast as well, though some move MUCH faster than others. For example, Anakin can reaction time is speed of light, and Revan, Darth Vitiate, and Sidious can also move incredibly fast. Revan and Vitiate had a duel consisting of much lightning shooting and running around that only took a couple seconds. When Sidious fought Mace Windu and the others (they don’t ever get any credit), Windu couldn’t even follow Sidious as he killed his teammates. Sidious was behind Mace before he had even reacted to Sidious jumping out of the seat. By the way, Mace is no slowpoke. With force, team 1 wins.

  82. Ragnorke September 26, 2014 at 5:28 pm -      #82

    ” If the GLs were susceptible to the force, though, they would lose.”

    If you read all the posts in this thread, you would see exactly why the GLs still stomp.

    “Jedi and Sith move incredibly fast as well, though some move MUCH faster than others.”

    Hypersonic at most. None of them have ever moved at even 0.0001% of the speed of light.

    ” For example, Anakin can reaction time is speed of light,”

    No it isn’t.

    “Revan and Vitiate had a duel consisting of much lightning shooting and running around that only took a couple seconds. When Sidious fought Mace Windu and the others (they don’t ever get any credit), Windu couldn’t even follow Sidious as he killed his teammates. Sidious was behind Mace before he had even reacted to Sidious jumping out of the seat.”

    I really don’t think you realise how fast light is.
    It’s approximately 300 million meters per second.
    That’s 300,000 kilometers (186,411 miles) EVERY SECOND.
    And the green lanterns move FASTER than that.

    There is no evidence of any sith or jedi ever moving faster than hypersonic, which isn’t even a fraction of the speed of light.

  83. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 26, 2014 at 8:45 pm -      #83

    “Speaking of Scarlet Witch, did you know she gets her powers from an Elder God? I just recently found out,
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chthon_(Marvel_Comics)”

    Nope, had no clue.
    =
    @Rag You finish Doomed?

  84. Ragnorke September 26, 2014 at 9:44 pm -      #84

    “You finish Doomed?”

    Yep. Kinda felt bad for braniac towards the end… And it was nice how we got glimpses of the DC multiverse, after the black hole.

    What do you think happened to supes?

  85. Warlock Lowk September 26, 2014 at 9:53 pm -      #85

    ” And it was nice how we got glimpses of the DC multiverse, after the black hole.”

    What was up with that? Is that where the last bit of old DC are or what?
    And if he’s in a black hole, Who is the thing in Futures End then?

  86. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 26, 2014 at 10:00 pm -      #86

    “What do you think happened to supes?”

    Don’t know. I thought all that stuff was just PreC and PostP-PreFP stuff, and they were just showing glimpses of all that.
    =
    “Who is the thing in Futures End then?”

    Future’s End takes place in 5 years, right? Wouldn’t he of gotten out since then?
    =
    Just realized that the Doomsday boost is permanent now…

  87. Warlock Lowk September 26, 2014 at 10:46 pm -      #87

    “Just realized that the Doomsday boost is permanent now…”

    Well there is still Aftermath.
    And if so then I guess that one way to make a villian different from before.

  88. Namer September 27, 2014 at 4:33 am -      #88

    This makes me wonder if my The Culture vs Green Lantern Corps was a good idea or not.

  89. Ragnorke September 27, 2014 at 10:19 am -      #89

    “Just realized that the Doomsday boost is permanent now…”

    Huh… SuperDoom vs DarkSeid should be interesting o.o

  90. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 27, 2014 at 5:24 pm -      #90

    “Well there is still Aftermath.”

    True.
    =
    @Lowk Hey, been meaning to ask you, what is that armor Supes uses in Superman Unchained 7, and why does that little mallet thing remind me of Thor?
    =
    “And if so then I guess that one way to make a villian different from before.”

    Meh. Kinda disappointed, to be honest… Thought it’d be more Supes and DD fighting, and less Braniac and Cyborg Superman.
    =
    “Huh… SuperDoom vs DarkSeid should be interesting o.o”

    Hasn’t N52 Supes beaten the crap out of Darkseid single handedly? Think this kinda closes the deal, right?
    =
    Although, makes me think of a Darkseid and Thanos team up, and probably some other villains that might be kewl.

  91. Ragnorke September 27, 2014 at 6:26 pm -      #91

    “Meh. Kinda disappointed, to be honest… Thought it’d be more Supes and DD fighting, and less Braniac and Cyborg Superman.”

    Yea, i agree.
    I didn’t really like the general story line, but it has some great moments.

    “Hasn’t N52 Supes beaten the crap out of Darkseid single handedly? Think this kinda closes the deal, right?”

    Isn’t new52 Darkseid multiversal? and like, he’s beaten and caught multiple different Supermans… from what i’v read…
    In JL 1 (i think it was JL1, correct me if i’m wrong) Darkseid knocked out Superman with a single hit from the omega beams…
    Although JL1 took place like 5 years before the solo series.

    I’m missing alot of arcs from the new52 though, and i wouldn’t be surprised if Superman has beaten Darkseid in a one on one. I just have no idea about it.
    Can you post em please?

  92. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 27, 2014 at 7:09 pm -      #92

    “I didn’t really like the general story line, but it has some great moments.”

    Like Doomsday Infected Supes ramming into the giant planetsized alien space ship, and when MMH and Supes moved it. Don’t remember too much epicness happening besides that, really. Well, the moon thing was pretty epic, and the mFTL thing was kinda cool, but really not much besides that. Which is sad considering this is Doomsday’s first major appearance.

    Really confused on the ending though, like what was all that PreC and PostC-PreFP looking images?
    =
    “Isn’t new52 Darkseid multiversal?”

    *shrugs* I don’t know DC that well. I know DC mostly through scans, and a some comics I’ve actually read. Which is why whenever discussing DC I always ask if what I’ve heard is right or wrong(I do that for Marvel sometimes, but that’s mostly because I don’t always remember things correctly).
    =
    “(i think it was JL1, correct me if i’m wrong)”

    I would if I could.
    =
    “Can you post em please?”

    Don’t know, that’s why I asked. I could be entirely wrong, probably am. I just know I’ve seen scans of Supes beating Darkseid, I just don’t know if it’s N52 or not.

    www.idoc.co/files/178a5396f3ddb36504-31.jpg

    One of the scans I’ve seen that I was thinking might’ve been N52,

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/33308/726997-supes5.jpg

    The other one. There’s a few others, but they could be involved with these two(and these things could be related for all I know).

    I could be wrong and neither are N52, but I wouldn’t know. To be honest, I don’t know what Darkseid’s done and hasn’t done in N52(like I’ve said throughout FP, I’m no DC expert).

  93. Warlock Lowk September 27, 2014 at 8:25 pm -      #93

    “Hey, been meaning to ask you, what is that armor Supes uses in Superman Unchained 7, and why does that little mallet thing remind me of Thor?”

    Might have been kryptonian armor. Think I recall something similar in Doomsdays or Zod villian one shot.
    I think it might be another parallel between him and wraith. They both basically pulled out armors to protect themselves from thier anti-super weaponry.
    ===
    ” Hasn’t N52 Supes beaten the crap out of Darkseid single handedly? Think this kinda closes the deal, right?”

    Managed to push him back but thats about it. Darksied went around taking down other supermans though.
    ===
    “but really not much besides that. ”

    The way Supes controlled the doomaura to save people instead of harming them. Luthor getting owned by Brainiac. Doomday in general. Cyborg’s going mecha for his last stand was pretty cool.
    ===
    “Which is sad considering this is Doomsday’s first major appearance.”

    And it was a hell of a first appearance. He became a literal walking disaster, even to superhumans. There was rarely any chance at predicting him. Nothing could contain him. He didn’t just beat down some heroes or punch some buildings, everything was just destroyed as he passed. Couldn’t even remove him. Supes heat visioned him into soup on Venus and Doomsday just ported back as soon as he got back to earth. Even in Death its still fucking things up.

  94. Ragnorke September 28, 2014 at 7:03 am -      #94

    “Really confused on the ending though, like what was all that PreC and PostC-PreFP looking images?”

    Yea, i think the black hole was showing Braniac moments from the pre-crises… Since… the costumes were pre-crises.
    Nice little fan service i suppose.

    “www.idoc.co/files/178a5396f3ddb36504-31.jpg”

    Red underwear = Not new52.

    “I could be wrong and neither are N52, but I wouldn’t know. To be honest, I don’t know what Darkseid’s done and hasn’t done in N52″

    Yea he’s pretty much Multiversal now, like there’s only one Darkseid in the multiverse, and he can travel between them.
    He’s fought & captured plenty of supermans, but finally got “beaten” by the combined efforts of the JL.

    ” but really not much besides that. Which is sad considering this is Doomsday’s first major appearance.”

    I agree with Lowk, it was a great first appearance… Kinda dragged on, and Doomsday ended up becoming a bit irrelevant (in the sense that the focus was no longer on him)… but still a pretty epic start to the character.

  95. Ragnorke September 28, 2014 at 2:51 pm -      #95

    For the record, how durable are Starwars fleets?
    Xornell was saying the GLs would have no chance against Starwars if they got their fleets.

    But… we see Stewart make a Solar System sized construct…
    And these constructs are shown to take a hit or 2 from the likes of Supes & Darkseid, who are both FAR above planet busting.

    So why can’t Stewart just smash billions of Fleets with his giant constructs, and insta-win?
    Using power scaling, Hal & Kyle shouldn’t have too hard of a time doing something similar.

  96. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 29, 2014 at 3:16 pm -      #96

    “Might have been kryptonian armor. Think I recall something similar in Doomsdays or Zod villian one shot.
    I think it might be another parallel between him and wraith. They both basically pulled out armors to protect themselves from thier anti-super weaponry.”

    Huh, so nothing special then? Weird, thought it would’ve been. Don’t know why, but it kinda reminded me of Thor for some reason…
    =
    “Managed to push him back but thats about it. Darksied went around taking down other supermans though.”

    Sounds cool actually.
    =
    “The way Supes controlled the doomaura to save people instead of harming them. Luthor getting owned by Brainiac. Doomday in general. Cyborg’s going mecha for his last stand was pretty cool.”

    Meh.
    =
    “And it was a hell of a first appearance.”

    Yea, sure the initial appearance in Doomed was pretty epic, but after that he wasn’t anything special.

    I don’t know, maybe it’s just not what I expected and I’m just nagging about it.
    =
    “Even in Death its still fucking things up.”

    Until he got torn in half.
    =
    “Nice little fan service i suppose.”

    Seemed more significant to just be fan service.
    =
    “Red underwear = Not new52.”

    Duly noted.
    =
    ” Doomsday ended up becoming a bit irrelevant (in the sense that the focus was no longer on him)…”

    Which is really disappointing to me.
    =
    “but still a pretty epic start to the character.”

    Yea, it was pretty good. I just thought he’d be soloing teams of JL or something, and doing more than just getting torn apart by Supes and stabbed by WW. Cus apparently only being exploded on by DD causes you to turn into him, not being bled on?

  97. Jolttra September 29, 2014 at 5:49 pm -      #97

    New canon Star Wars, Lanterns easy. Old canon Star Wars, a lot closer but still Lanterns. Mostly because Ion.

  98. Ciridae Hunter September 29, 2014 at 8:17 pm -      #98

    So Lanterns get multiverses of their kind but Star Wars gets stuck in New Canon? What even is new canon in this case? Is it pre Rule of Two philosophy? If it isn’t, then this was just a stomp match with no real point. Two Sith and a bunch of rather weak Jedi isn’t conducive of an even-grounds battle against the Lanterns no matter how it’s looked at.

  99. Alpha or Omega September 29, 2014 at 8:36 pm -      #99

    Actually, Star Wars Disney made the old EU into the Legends category which is non-canon. However, Disney is beginning to make a New EU for the Star Wars universe, and they said they may pull things out from Legends EU if they need to, so there’s some hope.
    /
    Here, the newest EU story that’s canon and based off of Star Wars the Clone Wars
    www.rebelscum.com/comics/dhswDarthMaulDathomir01_WizardWorld2014.jpg
    Which is confirmed canon here.

    Still, Legends EU or not, the Green Lanterns clearly have the upper hand.

  100. Warlock Lowk September 29, 2014 at 9:05 pm -      #100

    “So Lanterns get multiverses of their kind but Star Wars gets stuck in New Canon?”

    Who said anything about multiverses. We’re talking primary universe. And I don’t think there is even a lantern corp in every universe. Earth 2 only has one currently.

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