South Korea Vs Japan

South Korea Vs Japan

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South Korea decides that it wants Japan to renounce its claims to the Liancourt Rocks and declares war on Japan to get the to comply.

Japan and South Korea will fight until one side decides that its losses are not worth holding on to.

Which side cries uncle first?

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27 Comments on "South Korea Vs Japan"

  1. Ciridae Hunter September 21, 2014 at 6:16 am -      #1

    Japan has actual battle Mecha now (granted they’re like tanks with arms and not Knightmare Frames or Gunmen but still!) not to mention Japan’s “police force” (their way of having an army without violating the surrender agreements in WWII) is known for being highly-trained and armed to the teeth with the best of the best in military armaments so I would initially give this to Japan even with S. Korea’s population advantage.

    Just so I can know without banging my head waiting for Google, what are the Liancourt Rocks and what is so important about the place (or thing)?

  2. Ciridae Hunter September 21, 2014 at 6:27 am -      #2

    The mech suit is called the Kurata if you want to Google it-just remembered

    Just think, soon Tokyo’s Gundam statue will really be able to kill people…*sigh*

    Someday…

  3. Rookie September 21, 2014 at 7:07 am -      #3

  4. Secrecy27 September 21, 2014 at 7:24 am -      #4

    Those things have little to no advantage over an ordinary tank. In fact, it seems to be vastly inferior.

    Still, cool looking, and could have it uses. Reminds me of a bigger, tankier sentrybot from Fallout.

  5. the watcher September 21, 2014 at 8:42 am -      #5

    South Korea has better strategists though. They’ve got the entire Starcraft league to help them deal with Japan.

  6. Ninja Xtreme September 21, 2014 at 10:40 am -      #6

    On the contrary watcher, Japan has a StarCraft league as well: wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Japanese_SC2_scene
    They also have better gamers, thanks to games like Tekken and Street Fighter.

  7. Jolttra September 21, 2014 at 1:35 pm -      #7

    Japan has about 3x the population, more jet aircraft and far more navalcraft of heavier design including one Aircraft carrier. South Korea has a lot more tanks which will make an assault on the main land very difficult. But considering the distance between these two countries air and sea power will win out.

  8. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 21, 2014 at 1:38 pm -      #8

    Japan’s got the Koreans beat in population, GDP, and landmass, so it makes me feel like they’d be more able to sustain a war effort. Other than that, I couldn’t say.

  9. Ciridae Hunter September 21, 2014 at 4:53 pm -      #9

    “It seems to be vastly inferior”

    The Kurata’s base designs consist of an iron body, an arm-mounted gun (granted its a BB gun but it could easily be replaced with a .50 AA gun with a little effort), a more mobile, versatile body (it moves faster, has the capacity for quick turning, and can aim in angles that an average tank could not do by design) and it is vastly cheaper than a tank (coming short of 1.5 million US dollars).

    With a small degree of modification, the iron body could be modified to use steel plates like tanks, it could be mounted with rockets and missiles (like the Sentry Bots) and it can be produced quickly at a lower cost than tanks, making them superior both as a weapon with an efficient one-person design and as an economic choice for a sustained war effort.

    Soon the tanks will be obsolete and mech suits will be the new artillery (like Code Geass, despite their use of tanks).

  10. Ciridae Hunter September 21, 2014 at 4:58 pm -      #10

    If S. Korea can put down their pride (doubtful, but still) then China would more readily support them in a war since both Korea and China loathe Japan (history will show this); at the same time, however, Japan is under military control by the US, making invading Japan without angering Uncle Sam a hell of a challenge-not to mention the US is still technically an enemy of China due to the whole Communism thing, so an alliance with them might be enough for US intervention.

  11. Hermit September 21, 2014 at 6:36 pm -      #11

    China and the US will not play any role here, unless specified by the original poster.
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    The two countries will fight each other alone.
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    As for the fight, South Korea’s best bet would be an overwhelming preemptive strike on the Japanese mainland, as a battle of attrition can only end to Japan’s favor.

  12. Secrecy27 September 21, 2014 at 7:14 pm -      #12

    The Kurata’s base designs consist of an iron body, an arm-mounted gun (granted its a BB gun but it could easily be replaced with a .50 AA gun with a little effort), a more mobile, versatile body (it moves faster, has the capacity for quick turning, and can aim in angles that an average tank could not do by design) and it is vastly cheaper than a tank (coming short of 1.5 million US dollars).

    Moves faster? At 10km/h to the japanese’s Type 10 MBT’s 70km/h?

    With a small degree of modification, the iron body could be modified to use steel plates like tanks

    No matter what plating you put on the Kuratas it wouldn’t survive a singe shell from a 120mm cannon, simple the kinectic energy would make it fall over.

    making them superior both as a weapon with an efficient one-person design and as an economic choice for a sustained war effort.

    While it would have its uses, the kuratas would only be efficient in CQC like city streets, and then a single soldier with a AT-rocket would render it usles.

    Soon the tanks will be obsolete and mech suits will be the new artillery (like Code Geass, despite their use of tanks).

    I doubt the world would ever see mechs like those. Simple because in Real-Life, gravity takes its toll.

  13. Pizzarolla September 21, 2014 at 10:15 pm -      #13

    I completely agree with Secrecy27. While I love the idea of a real armored battle mech, this Kuratas thing is not it. It would be absolutely useless in a real battle.

    First off, as Secrecy has pointed out, this thing has no chance of surviving against a tank, or a chopper, or any other sort of mechanized infantry other than maybe a jeep. Even IF the pilot could survive the kinetic shock of a high powered explosive hitting the thing, it would still end up falling over, at which point it’d be stuck.

    Same goes when fighting normal infantry. All it would take is one guy with a rocket launcher.

    The only use I can see for the thing would be clearing buildings and other structures of enemy infantry, but then it still runs into a problem in that it’s size hinders it’s ability to navigate through narrow corridors and rooms.. It can’t fit in most elevators, and it has no hope of traversing stairs.

    Honestly, the thing is utterly useless, which is why the creators of the thing call it “art” rather than trying to get military contracts for the things. I don’t know who would win between Japan and S.Korea, but I can say with confidence that the Kuratas would play no part in the outcome.

  14. Jolttra September 22, 2014 at 12:37 am -      #14

    While mechs are not ready to replace tanks on the front lines, there is a lot of possibility. Give the Kuratas 2-4 .50 cals, a grenade launcher, and a few tow missiles and you have an excellent infantry support vehicle. 2-4 30mm auto canmons and some Stinger missiles and you have a powerful and mobile AA vehicle. Load it to the teeth with Hellfire missiles and you have a fast light artillery vehicle. Give it rubber bullets, a net gun, and a hose to connect with a fire hydrent and you have an intimidating riot control vehicle. Sky is the limit here.

  15. Secrecy27 September 22, 2014 at 3:08 am -      #15

    Give the Kuratas 2-4 .50 cals, a grenade launcher, and a few tow missiles and you have an excellent infantry support vehicle

    No, you don’t. I doubt it would survive a single grenade near one of its “wheels”. It can’t provide any cover for fellow infantry, and couldn’t assist in a fast retreat. I would rather have a IFV like the BMP-3 or the Strf 90.

    Load it to the teeth with Hellfire missiles and you have a fast light artillery vehicle

    10km/h is still not fast.

    2-4 30mm auto canmons and some Stinger missiles and you have a powerful and mobile AA vehicle

    Can’t take a hit, sticks out like a sore thumb, restricted by the human mind, and if you look at a mobile AA, you’ll notice the weapons often is capable of being directed up, the kuratas can’t neither look or aim that high. And again, 10km/h isn’t fast. Every modern vehicle, even tanks, litteraly drives in circles around it. And it would be utterly useless in any terrain except roads

    Give it rubber bullets, a net gun, and a hose to connect with a fire hydrent and you have an intimidating riot control vehicle

    Only thing I can agree on.

    Sky is the limit here.

    Why? Put something like a helicopter propeller on it. Or even better, why not a jet engine?

  16. Jolttra September 22, 2014 at 3:14 am -      #16

    @Secracy: Point taken. Still, with enough modification and development (say tracks instead of wheels as an example) it could prove a capable combat vehicle. Or at least a successor might. Either way I’d give it another decade or two to mature before even considering it for any form of combat service.

  17. Ciridae Hunter September 22, 2014 at 5:37 am -      #17

    A decade is a little much, don’t you think Jolt? Switching out the plating, attaching weapons and integrating them to the Kurata, and adding a more efficient wheel or tread design would be a two year effort at most-and most of that is due to programming.

    If the Kurata falls over, it can push itself back up with those handy arms that it’s got.

    If a tank gets hit with an AT launcher then it’s screwed, so making that comparison to the Kurata is rather pointless-but keep in mind that it is still smaller than a tank (not in height, of course).

    It’s height makes it useless inside buildings since it can’t even fit through most doors

    “Gravity will take its toll”
    Pretty sure that’s what was said about every plane, jet, jumbo jet, helicopter, rocket, and anything with the capacity of being big and able to be airborne; gravity has been worked around to some extent for quite a while and though we will realistically still be its bitch in a century or two doesn’t mean that mechanized suits of tank/armor goodness are so far-fetched. The way you say it Secrecy, everything big and bulky will fail simply because it’s big-is gravity going to topple mountains because it “takes its toll”?

    Sorry, I went on a mini-rant.
    My point is, humanity has worked around gravity before-who is to say that it can’t happen again with mech suits?

    And-just to clarify-my support still goes to Japan; S. Korea hasn’t shown me any real advantages.

  18. Secrecy27 September 22, 2014 at 12:25 pm -      #18

    If a tank gets hit with an AT launcher then it’s screwed

    Untrue, actually AT-rockets rarely “kill” the tank, but it can damage the tracks, immobilize the tank, but not killing the crew inside. The Kuratas mkII would have no such advantage.

    The way you say it Secrecy, everything big and bulky will fail simply because it’s big-is gravity going to topple mountains because it “takes its toll”?

    Big and bulky? I never said that. Topple mountains? If the mountain were flying it would literally fall to pieces.

    Do you know what mud can do to a tank? During WW2 the germans had plans for the Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte, a mega tank. Long story short, it didn’t work, it would have dug itself into the ground. In animes, even bigger tanks does work. In RL, even modern tanks have problem getting stuck in mud.

    Take, for example, a Knightmare, it is 5m tall, more than twice as high as a tank, just as armored as a tank, and with even more powerfull weapons. its weight is only distributed beetween two “feets”, a smaller area than the tracks of a tank. Do you really think this mech would be able to “skate” as it does in the anime? It would sink down and fall on its face.

    Now, think about how it moves in the air. It moves just as fast as a jet in every direction, without trouble. In RL, a plane is only able to fly because it is aerodynamic, and then it is only one way, if you pull the plane in the same speed in the other direction… well, lets just say it isn’t pretty. And the material put in planes is strained endlessly, therefore civilian planes has a “life-span” of 100.000 cycles (lift-off’s and landings).

    My point is, humanity has worked around gravity before-who is to say that it can’t happen again with mech suits?

    Because we doesn’t work “around” gravity, we work “with” gravity, and, as I have said, in anime, logic and gravity isn’t realistic.

  19. Pemdas September 22, 2014 at 4:26 pm -      #19

    www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.asp?form=form&country1=South-Korea&country2=Japan&Submit=Compare+Countries

    I consider Global Fire Power to be one of the best sites when it comes to these topics.

    According to them Japan has the 10th strongest military in the world and South Korea has the 9th so South Korea has a slight initial advantage.

    However due to the conditions made at the end of WW2 their military has been nerfed. If they were to break their contract then it wouldn’t take long for them to build up a truly mighty beast. It’s estimated it would only take Japan 2-4 years to create a nuclear bomb.

    Even though South Korea has an initial advantage. I’d give the victory to Japan because historically it’s always been a military powerhouse and even now it has huge capabilities.

  20. Ciridae Hunter September 23, 2014 at 1:24 am -      #20

    Humanity-by it’s very nature as a higher-level intelligence life form-has a tendency to work through or around our disadvantages. We kill for food instead of being “one with nature”, we wear heavy clothes in winter or crank up the heat instead of adapting to grow more hair, we bulldoze forests when we need more living space-hell, we have a tendency to gun down other humans instead of working “with” them; fundamentally speaking, we are incapable of being in a give and take relationship because we are essentially evolved parasites.

    Since no other countries are involved, Japan has a higher chance of a clear victory since Japan’s “police force” is very large and well-funded, the SDF is highly-skilled and is practically a militant force in itself with urban combat being their specialty, and Japan is one big island-do we ever hear anything about Korean naval forces? S. Korea, in a naval invasion standpoint, suffers from the same things that ail Japan: missile and artillery barrages. Since S. Korea is the invader (in this war), they have to move through missiles and shells in order to actually touch down in Japan.

    All in all, poor S. Korea.

  21. Warlock Lowk September 23, 2014 at 3:35 am -      #21

    Looking at this match was worth it solely because I’ve learned what I’ve always believed is coming true. Japan is trying to start a Mech age.

  22. Tarbel September 25, 2014 at 5:37 pm -      #22

    Yes, Kuratas, the japanese artistic prototype that moves at ~7mph without being armored or armed legitimately, which works only on flat terrain, is not aerodynamic, and which can be controlled wirelessly would viably be modified for battle in a way which would be comparable to other land vehicles.
    /end sarcasm

    Considering South Korea has been in constant tension with North Korea and Japan has been babied by the US for the longest time, they would have a much more experienced military, navy, and air force compared to Japan.
    Then again I’ve done no research on either.

  23. Sauroposeidon September 28, 2014 at 10:24 am -      #23

    First of all.

    When real life mechs make their appearance, they will be more like japanese mecha that are nimble with thrusters for flight, instead of lumbering mechwarrior legged tanks.

    They’ll probably fulfill a role somewhere between IFV and Gunship and not replace the tank or mobile artillery like the Paladin. Both tanks and mechs would be dangerous to each other.

    Naturally, I have no hate for tanks, since as an Armored Core player you can make essentially a twin-barrel tank if you want instead of a mecha with how heavily you can customize your machine. It’s easier to see how the load bearing nature of tanks will permit them to carry a bigger gun which their ground contact surface area will permit more stability for.

    Mechs will use light cannons, machine guns, rockets, missiles, and lasers.

    As for S. Korea. It gets bombed back to the stone age. Sure the USA likes them, but Japan is our buddy. When they were down after their betrayal we put our hand out to them and helped them back up. They’re our friend and they’ll always be our friend. They don’t have a proper army (yet) but as soon as S. Korea decides it’s time for all out war our forces stationed there will mobilize and.. well.. it’ll be bad for Korea. Do they even have just one carrier?

  24. Tarbel September 29, 2014 at 10:19 pm -      #24

    ^
    I assumed it was solely South Korea vs Japan, no outside help/influences actively participating.

  25. Murder September 30, 2014 at 2:40 pm -      #25

    Interesting fight. I’ll side with the RoK. I spent a year in Korea and I can say that as far as the ground goes, they take it. Korea has a draft, so almost all of their male population has military experience of at least two years. They also have a much larger standing army and they have lived a hair’s breath from a massive invading force for over 60 years. The whole country is designed to repel an invasion force(mostly from the North, but also from sea and air). Their airforce is probably slightly better in terms of quality, being that they have all the latest American aircraft to include the F35s(not sure if they’ve received all of them, though). They also have more military airfields which will make it easier to stay in the fight while Japan would require the use of its civilian airfields, its limited military fields or their naval carriers.

    Having said that, Japan, an island nation, has a far superior naval force and will control the seas. If Japan can hold the air, which I don’t see a problem for the first year of war, they should be able to blockade Korea from the sea and restrict their movements to air only. Clearing a beachhead would then be possible and would open Korea up for an invasion. Can they win a ground war? Never. First, Korea’s ground forces can push back whatever Japan can send. Japan’s invading forces would also be well within Korea’s artillery range and get blown to atoms.

    Can the RoK push Japan back and invade the invader? Possible… but keeping the supply lines open via the seas seems impossible with Japan’s submarine. Invading an equal nation with just Air would be difficult in this day and age.

    However, Korea has longer range cruise missiles that can strike Just about all of Japan. Japan has no answer for that.

    Provided that Korea can keep its supply routes open(Oil mostly), I believe that this is a war of attrition that would favor the RoK in the end. After six years of bloody war where Korea hunkers down, invest in cruise missiles and drones, while slowly widdling Japan’s infrastructure down before finally conducting airborne operations that seize a demoralized and broken nation.

  26. Nomad September 30, 2014 at 3:13 pm -      #26

    I’m not really a military guy but Japan only has a limited military force based off their constitution. They have something similar to a UN peace force.

  27. gstoke October 1, 2014 at 3:37 am -      #27

    We have to remember that this fight is primarily an air & naval battle. Neither country would even bother to send ground forces to enemy territory. Crossing by sea or air would be too risky. It would boil down on who can control the air and sea.

    Kuratas is an interesting machine, unfortunately it would be torn apart by anti-tank guided missiles (ATGM).

    As for SK cruise missiles, Japan has PAC-3 batteries and Aegis-equipped Kongo-class destroyers that can take down cruise missiles in flight. Of course they may not intercept all the cruise missiles but it will still help.

    I see that the JMSDF (Japan’s de facto navy) will be able to establish at least sea denial against the ROKN (SK navy). The JMSDF are really good at anti-submarine warfare (ASW) which can easily screw up any ROKN submarines. It was their role in the Cold War and their “helicopter destroyers” (aka mini-carriers) (e.g. JS Izumo, JS Hyuga & JS Ise) are equipped primarily for ASW. The ROKN would also have to contend with one of the best non-nuclear diesel attack submarines, Soryuu-class. The Royal Australian Navy (RAN) just recently decided to buy Soryuu submarines, which can indicate on how good this submarine class is.

    As for air forces, both countries use the F-15 and F-16 as their mainstay fighters. (The JASDF uses the F-2, a F-16 derivative) It may just come down to the quality of their pilots.

    I see that the battle will be a combined air and naval operation (just like the PC game). The ships of both countries can detect and shoot aircraft farther than their fighter aircraft. Also ship’s air radar are more powerful so what information from that radar can be passed on to fighter aircraft.

    My conclusion is that Japan would win the battle by establishing air and naval superiority. The JMSDF has two distinct advantages: superior submarine force and better quality of military personnel. The JMSDF trains more with the US Navy than the ROKN. The ROKN like their army employs conscripts on their ships. The quality of sailors onboard the ship can tip the balance of life or death in a naval battle.

    @Murder – I highly doubt that the ROKN can keep their SLOCs (sea lanes of communication) free from harassment from the JMSDF naval blockade. The oil tankers and container ships would have to contend with the Japanese submarines hunting them and can force SK into an open-sea battle away from the Korean peninsula around the East China Sea (ECS) because of geography. All oil imports pass through the ECS before arriving in SK. The Japanese island of Okinawa (which is out of SK cruise missile range) would serve as a redoubt guarding the ECS. Planes and ships based in Okinawa would harass oil tankers and cargo containers. SK would have to choose from fighting in the open sea with the hope of eventually bombing Okinawa or suffer from oil shortages. The problem is that when the ROKN fights in the open sea, submarines come into play.

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