Blackwatch Vs Nazis

Blackwatch Vs Nazis

Suggested by croc911

Blackwatch (Prototype) faces off against the Nazis (Wolfenstein the new order )

Battle over the conquest of earth.

Everything allowed.

Who wins?

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80 Comments on "Blackwatch Vs Nazis"

  1. Rookie September 16, 2014 at 7:07 am -      #1

    Curse upon you @croc911. You forced me to say that Nazi wins!

    Mostly because they do control entire world, while Blackwatch not.

    I mean Robert Cross is tough as hell, but here we have powerful organization vs entire world.

    I’l go with world.

  2. Ragnorke September 16, 2014 at 9:15 am -      #2

    I don’t think allowing “Everything” was a good idea… You can still add limitations before post #50, and i suggest you do ^^

  3. Xornell September 16, 2014 at 9:42 am -      #3

    Love me a good Nazi match.

    Do the Nazis get Hitler? If so, they win by virtue of his mustache alone. You thought it was Blitzkrieg and jewkilling that brought the world to heel? Nope. Mustache.

  4. Envoy September 16, 2014 at 9:51 am -      #4

    Blacklight has Super Soldiers, and a few of their members are evolved, they don’t seem to be able to spread the virus like mercer, but they still throw cars and eat people.
    +
    Couldn’t they also just unleash captured infected at the enemy?

  5. Ragnorke September 16, 2014 at 10:11 am -      #5

    @Enjoy
    What’s stopping the Nazis from just wrecking blackwatch with thousands of airstrikes & missiles?

  6. Rookie September 16, 2014 at 10:22 am -      #6

    @Xornell

    “Do the Nazis get Hitler? If so, they win by virtue of his mustache alone. You thought it was Blitzkrieg and jewkilling that brought the world to heel? Nope. Mustache.”

    He was also Nyarlathotep in disguise megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Adolf_Hitler . Who knew?

    @Ragnorke

    “What’s stopping the Nazis from just wrecking blackwatch with thousands of airstrikes & missiles?”

    Nothing. But they have troubles against non-super humans in their world too.

  7. Ninja Xtreme September 16, 2014 at 11:53 am -      #7

    Nazis, based on how they are Nazis. Heil Hitler!

  8. The Amazing Dualgunner September 16, 2014 at 1:21 pm -      #8

    Well Blackwatch are made of tissue paper and crushed hopes as Alex Mercer comes charging thr…

    Oh. Right. They’re humans, which means tearing through them like tissue paper doesn’t mean they are like tissue paper. Sadly, the best feats I have for a lot of them are “I took .00000001 seconds longer to be ripped in half and eaten!”

    Even supersoldiers are…”Eh” at best. Though to keep up with Mercer in any sense of the term is impressive, I guess; if we ever saw them against an enemy that wasn’t the God of Zombies, and win, I might bee more optimistic.

    THEN AGAIN, I am not too particularly fond of Nazis. So go, government black ops propaganda profiteers, go and defeat the Heilers.

  9. Secrecy27 September 16, 2014 at 2:04 pm -      #9

    @croc911
    You really do like Blackwatch, don’t you?

  10. Megaraptor18 September 16, 2014 at 2:17 pm -      #10

    Well the Nazis from Wolfenstein the New Order finally get into the BankGambling. This is a tough fight for me since again my knowledge on the Blackwatch is limited but since I have yet to see a serious comment on this matter about the Wolfenstein New Order Nazis (Which I now find funny since the game was designed to be over the top so a real serious talk on those Nazis would be somewhat hard.) I might as well kick it off with some useful information. I’ll provide basic info on these guys and let you guys hammer it out. (I really loved Wolfenstein the New Order to the point I 100% it and played both timelines repeatedly.).
    ———
    Rather Hitler is alive in the time of New Order is unknown though some theories suggest that he isn’t alive but no solid proof on that.
    ——–
    Due to the efforts of Wilhelm Strasse aka General Deathshead, created several high tech weapons that lead to the Nazis winning the second world war and ruling all of Europe, North and South America, all of Asia and is currently (1960s) invading Africa.
    Weapon systems like cyborg dogs, PanzerHounds (which is a robotic dog that is the size of a lion and is one of the reasons for Nazi victory in Russia. There are alot of news articles in the hide out you go too in the game and it tells you everything that happened between 1946 to 1960.), assault rifles and some with built in rocket launchers not grenades but rockets, a sniper rifle that not only fires bullets but can turn into a energy weapon in a heartbeat, a wide array of energy weaponry, drones, massive robots, towering mechs (even in 1946 they had them), a Moon Base, supersolders but since they are facing series that has most likely supersoldiers from Blackwatch are going to be much faster than the Nazi counterpart but they have heavier armor and carries a massive energy weapon, and there are hints of more stuff in the news articles like a massive moon cannon that using the power of the sun to strike targets on the Earth however you don’t see that and could be in the next game or could be Nazi propaganda so its a 50/50 and have to wait for the next Wolfenstein game (Please let there be another one because is great and I will admit the ending nearly made me cry! Before or since no game has made me close to crying. Their must be another one!)
    ——————-
    Its up to you guys on who wins but I figure I should post what info I can on the Wolfenstein Nazis since Wolfenstein 3d was my FIRST First Person Shooter and grew up with it and there is an easter egg in New Order where you can reply the entire first level of Wolfenstein 3d.
    But yeah where was I. Oh yes If you guys would like info on New Order Nazis let me know and I’ll give it to you guys. I can’t really debate this since I don’t know much about Blackwatch.

  11. Ragnorke September 16, 2014 at 2:40 pm -      #11

    “Due to the efforts of Wilhelm Strasse aka General Deathshead, created several high tech weapons that lead to the Nazis winning the second world war and ruling all of Europe, North and South America, all of Asia and is currently (1960s) invading Africa”

    This… this is honestly all that’s needed…
    Blackwatch can barely keep a single city in check. They’re severely lacking the numbers required to go up against a nation wide threat… Let alone a continental or in this case a GLOBAL military.

  12. Secrecy27 September 16, 2014 at 3:01 pm -      #12

    Blackwatch can barely keep a single city in check

    A city infected with a fast-spreading/evolving virus that produces creatures that can make any military commander cry.

    Other than that, Blackwatch is little more than modern military black ops.

  13. Ragnorke September 16, 2014 at 5:31 pm -      #13

    “A city infected with a fast-spreading/evolving virus that produces creatures that can make any military commander cry.”

    They’re still a city scale group. They don’t have the numbers required to go up against a nations military.

  14. croc911 September 16, 2014 at 6:42 pm -      #14

    1) Uh…guess what Blackwatch has..canonically the ENTIRE US MILITARY.

    Blackwatch canonically has access to ALL US military equipment, hardware, stockpiles.

    As of now the US is a military superpower save Russia, and China. Wolfenstein is a steampunk 1960s lacking fighter jets, cruise missiles, a huge stockpile of nukes, aircraft carriers, supersonic bombers, MLRS launchers, fire and forget missiles from various MANPAD systems…I can just go on an on and on.

    2) Congrats Nazis! You conquered the 1940s world! *Applauds* How impressive! Considering the only powers at the time of the 1940s that was historically a threat was the Alllied powers. All else was fair game. The only thing is that the Nazis may have a few gimmicks like mechs, energy weapons, moon base, and some super soldats. Comparatively, gear in the modern world outclasses Nazis in many other aspects. Plus Blackwatch has Supersoldiers…161 of them just like the Nazis.

  15. Secrecy27 September 16, 2014 at 8:02 pm -      #15

    1) Uh…guess what Blackwatch has..canonically the ENTIRE US MILITARY.

    Just because Blackwatch have access to the US military doesn’t mean they have them in a scenario where is isn’t stated they have them, since the US “cannon-fodder” or “marines” isn’t a branch of Blackwatch. A fight with Blackwatch is just that… a fight with Blackwatch, not a fight with the US military.

  16. Megaraptor18 September 16, 2014 at 8:27 pm -      #16

    “Wolfenstein is a steampunk 1960s lacking fighter jets, cruise missiles, a huge stockpile of nukes, aircraft carriers, supersonic bombers, MLRS launchers, fire and forget missiles from various MANPAD systems…I can just go on an on and on.”
    ———————————-

    The Wolfenstein Nazis had jet fighters in 1946 (seen in the first level of the game and have far better space travel than what we have today. Stockpile of nukes… They got that in fact your main goal in the game is use Nazi nukes to destroy Deathshead’s compound. Energy weaponry that is shown in game to tear through metal with ease and that is very common might I add.
    ———————————

    In terms of superpower you are correct however Nazi 1960 tech seems to be on par with modern tech which is all thanks to the Nazis finding Da’at Yichud storehouses and stealing the tech for their own uses. So tech is debatable though with that said they clearly have space superiority and could take out US satellites which would remove one edge the US has in this world. Many theorists have stated that if the US face a power like China that the Chinese would try and destroy those satellites rather they will be successful is unknown and very debatable. But with faction that has common space travel them taking out US communications would be easy and Blackwatch would have less support from the main military.
    —————————————————
    Now what isn’t debatable is that the Nazis have the population and resources of 5 continents vs one continent. That happened before in our history and the Nazis didn’t win that. By throwing the US into that position you just put the US in the same position as the Germans in the 1940s and the US doesn’t have Da’at Yichud tech to save them like it did the Nazis in Wolfenstein.
    ———————————
    Overall I hate to say this but the Nazis won this fight and that you didn’t know too much about the Nazis in Wolfenstein and honestly you should have picked a different type of Nazi. I mean this match would have been more even if you picked the Nazis from the movie Iron Skies.

  17. Hitman501st September 16, 2014 at 9:04 pm -      #17

    First off the Nazis have the numbers and the mechanical tech advantage however Blackwatch has over all modern weapons systems well over 40 years advantage over minus the energy weapons which the sniper rifle one is only on the moon. On top of this Blackwatch is trained for fighting with lesser number against a far large force of infected humans that are know to be stronger and faster than a normal human hence they would be trained for emeries far unforgiving as nazis even all a global scale. Plus Blackwatch is far larger then a city size organization as anyone who have planned both the games would know because “runners” the virus carries have escaped before into other state and nations and have been caught which is in some of the many back stories. Now Blackwatch isn’t stupid they wouldn’t take the New Order Nazis head on which wasn’t ever their jobs in the first place they are a black ops cell meant to do covert ops now a full on up front fight however they would mostly use their tanks and air support against the Nazis mech tech which would simply out gun they in a hit and run tactic. Their foot soldiers would conduct raids and sabotage which in the New Order world the Nazis not well fighting against. As on the how bothsides have super soldiers the nazis are slow, heavily armored, and energy welding switch fighting normal troops are great but Blackwatch have super soldiers more then then capable of tossing cars and trucks around like toys and ungodly fast for their size and can heal very quickly over time. Plus Blackwatch could simply sneak in a “runner” into Berlin and as the infection spreads it will pull away nazis resources from the frontline back home allowing not only Blackwatch to beat back the Nazis but any other group fighting or under control of nazis a chance to join Blackwatch strengthening it. I would think through a mix of straight up warfare, guerrilla warfare, and biological warfare. Kicked the nazis out the earth maybe not the moon with out captured nazis space tech then I guess once the had earth then would just fire missiles full of the Blacklight virus into the moon base and let the virus finish them off. My point you have a much larger force made to fight other large forces that might own the whole world that is probably on pissed off at them fighting a much smaller deadlier and flexible force that going to gain more members and gear as time goes by which this is going to be a long war to began with.

  18. OberHerr September 16, 2014 at 11:08 pm -      #18

    Don’t they have nukes? Why not just….nuke em.

  19. CommissarRanden September 17, 2014 at 4:05 am -      #19

    I just have to say……

    Nazis win this. They have superior numbers, mechs, superior missiles and they have that moustache. It looks amazing. Even though Blackwatch is pretty fucking badass, I have to give to this to the Wolfentstein Nazis.

    Nukes and Missiles will blow Blackwatch fucking sky high.

  20. Mr. happy September 17, 2014 at 5:51 am -      #20

    ‘Don’t they have nukes? Why not just….nuke em.’

    That goes to both sides. TBH this fight is very unfair. Blackwatch is the biological division of the US military and can call any branch in when they feel like it. But since it is just Blackwatch, the Nazis can just drown them in bodies. Sure D-codes and thermobaric weapons will kill a great number of Nazis, but it is just too much of a numbers disparity.

  21. Rookie September 17, 2014 at 6:21 am -      #21

    Naz… ah screw this, team 2 for BankGambling Award.

  22. Mr. happy September 17, 2014 at 7:11 am -      #22

    ‘Naz… ah screw this, team 2 for BankGambling Award.’

    Stomps do not deserve BankGambling awards

  23. Parry Boy September 17, 2014 at 7:11 am -      #23

    Heller vs Hitler.
    HEIL HELLER

  24. Rookie September 17, 2014 at 7:46 am -      #24

    @Mr. happy

    “Stomps do not deserve BankGambling awards”

    Doesn’t menat that they can’t get one though.
    factpile.com/180-master-chief-vs-superman/

  25. Ragnorke September 17, 2014 at 7:51 am -      #25

    “Heller vs Hitler.”

    Since when is Heller part of Blackwatch?

  26. OberHerr September 17, 2014 at 10:01 am -      #26

    Well, technically Heller was part of Blackwatch…..and quiet you, with your silly logic and reason! If it sounds cool, who the heil cares?!

  27. Ragnorke September 17, 2014 at 10:19 am -      #27

    such cool, much heil, wow. :3

  28. croc911 September 17, 2014 at 8:48 pm -      #28

    I like how everyone’s only argument is “numbers” and “cool tech.”

    For example:
    Mechs vs Tank. Mechs weens cuz they are coolarrr!!! I’m sorry that you guys are ignoring the obvious advantage of a tank’s much greater range., smaller profile, and 120 mm HEAT Sabot.

    Nazis can just perform aeerrsttrikes on Blackwatch!!!! I think you guys should know by now that the Horten 229 was made around the era of world war 2 while obviously tactically advantageous fighters in the modern era like the F-22 have capabilities like Beyond Visual range combat, and long-range missiles, as well as an obvious stealth advantage. In -game that was the only aircraft other than the VTOL seen, which is hardly even capable of combat. Oh I know, lets put razers on the Nazi shuttles to the moon and snipe BW fighters with impunity. Uhh…No. Nazis goott a Moon basee so they are superiazzz!!! Again..No. The moon base gives them no advantage other than that the Nazis can start a fourth reich on the moon after the ones on earth are defeated.

    Plus, the people currently saluting Hitler should be utterly ashamed of themselves. You owe an apology to the millions of Jews slaughtered and tortured. Do it now.

    Hitman 501st made a great point (despite his need to fix grammar and typos) and it was blatantly ignored despite his many good points. It’s called “strategy” my friends. Ever heard of that?

    Guess who won in the Battle of Marathon when Persians fought the outnumbered Athenians. Uhh..the Athenians. Guess who won in the Battle of Salamis when the larger Persian navy attacked the Greeks? The Greeks because the Persians numbers actually hindered their victory.

    The Nazis couldn’t even handly a rag-tag resistance group. Now they are dealing with something a LOT more than a rag-tag resistance group.

    Nazis DO NOT have superior missiles to Modern era just because they have razers. There is not indication of that at all.

  29. croc911 September 17, 2014 at 8:55 pm -      #29

    Also, for those saying Nazis win because of nukes. Two words. THINK..AGAIN.

    The person with the most nukes don’t win. Sorry to burst your bubble. EVERYONE loses in a nuclear war. It’s not the explosion that kill us. It’s the ensuing radioactive fallout. If BW and Nazis go at it, everyone loses. Except BW might last longer due to having stuff like NBC suits that protect against radiation to some degree.

  30. Mr. happy September 17, 2014 at 10:35 pm -      #30

    @Rookie

    That was before the stomp=no award rule was enforced.

    @croc911

    Sure numbers don’t win a battle, tactics and what not plays a vital role as well but when you pit an entire PLANET against a DIVISION it is more likey the planet wins. Especially when the tech disparity is so low.

  31. croc911 September 18, 2014 at 1:57 am -      #31

    @Mr.happy
    What happens when blackwatch becomes a reistance group? Thame Nazis can’t even handle that.

  32. Secrecy27 September 18, 2014 at 4:17 am -      #32

    @croc911
    Haven’t played the game, but I think that resistance group where only succesfull because of the protagonist, which, as in all games, are protected by PIS and game-mechanics.

    Also, those missile and air strikes are more likely property of the US military, not Blackwatch. And while Abrams may be better than a mech, Blackwatch has no supply lines, no munitions manufactorer etc etc.

    Now they are dealing with something a LOT more than a rag-tag resistance group

    Yeah, they are dealing with a military black ops trained at dealing with small scale infections, with a small supply of vehicles.

    F-22 have capabilities like Beyond Visual range combat

    Limited munitions, no refueling, like Blackwatch doesn’t even have any of these, more likely US military property.

    Plus, the people currently saluting Hitler should be utterly ashamed of themselves. You owe an apology to the millions of Jews slaughtered and tortured. Do it now.

    Oh, please. People can “salute” everyone they want, and no one here own anyone an apology, because no one here was likely involved in WW2.

  33. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 18, 2014 at 6:46 am -      #33

    So, uh, do the Evolved, Supreme Hunter, Super Soldiers, White-Red-Black light viruses, add anything at all? Don’t know what Nazi’s have(apparently a lot of numbers), but anything that can handle Mercer/Heller level people+?
    =
    Also, anyone hear about the Teen Titans live action show that’s being made?

  34. Ragnorke September 18, 2014 at 8:04 am -      #34

    “Also, for those saying Nazis win because of nukes. Two words. THINK..AGAIN.
    The person with the most nukes don’t win. Sorry to burst your bubble. EVERYONE loses in a nuclear war.”

    When one side has nukes, and the other side doesn’t, there’s a clear winner. Guess who that winner is?

    “So, uh, do the Evolved, Supreme Hunter, Super Soldiers, White-Red-Black light viruses, add anything at all? Don’t know what Nazi’s have(apparently a lot of numbers), but anything that can handle Mercer/Heller level people+?”

    Blackwatch doesn’t have anyone on Mercer/Heller level. At all. Neither of them are a part of Blackwatch.

  35. Mr. happy September 18, 2014 at 10:02 am -      #35

    ‘What happens when blackwatch becomes a reistance group? Thame Nazis can’t even handle that.’

    When op wanted a straight up fight, and Blackwatch has to resort to guerrilla tactics to survive, they lost.

    ‘When one side has nukes, and the other side doesn’t, there’s a clear winner. Guess who that winner is?’

    Blackwatch has a nuke. 😛

    ‘So, uh, do the Evolved, Supreme Hunter, Super Soldiers, White-Red-Black light viruses, add anything at all? Don’t know what Nazi’s have(apparently a lot of numbers), but anything that can handle Mercer/Heller level people+?’

    They are not Blackwatch, D0Codes are but are drowned in numbers/exotic weapons.

  36. Friendlysociopath September 18, 2014 at 12:40 pm -      #36

    Technically speaking, guerilla warfare doesn’t win wars by itself, you can stop the enemy from being able to declare victory so long as you have troops still willing to fight- but you aren’t winning, not by a long shot.

  37. Ragnorke September 18, 2014 at 1:10 pm -      #37

    I’m pretty sure it was the US military (who are considered outside help for the match) that launched the Nuke at the end of prototype 1… And the blast radius of that nuke was laughable.

  38. Secrecy27 September 18, 2014 at 2:27 pm -      #38

    @Ragnorke
    It was General Randall, leader of Blackwatch, who activated the warhead onboard the USS Ronald Reagan (which, by the way, isn’t Blackwatch property), and it was large enough for its purpose.

  39. Ragnorke September 18, 2014 at 3:03 pm -      #39

    “who activated the warhead onboard the USS Ronald Reagan (which, by the way, isn’t Blackwatch property)”

    So… this confirms my point right?

    “and it was large enough for its purpose.”

    Eh, it isn’t large enough for the purpose of this match.

    Where’s your display picture from btw? Is it blackwatch by any chance? or Killzone?

  40. Secrecy27 September 18, 2014 at 3:27 pm -      #40

    @Ragnorke
    While it is hard to know “who” the warhead belongs to, it just that, a nuclear warhead, not a nuclear missile, so yeah.

    Eh, it isn’t large enough for the purpose of this match.

    No, not by a long shot. Big enough for a city, not a world. A single nuclear bomb isn’t enough, no matter how big.

    Where’s your display picture from btw? Is it blackwatch by any chance?

    You make it sound like I’m wanking them, but no, it’s not Blackwatch or Killzone, it’s something more badass.

  41. Ragnorke September 18, 2014 at 3:37 pm -      #41

    “You make it sound like I’m wanking them, but no, it’s not Blackwatch or Killzone, it’s something more badass.”

    ahaha It was totally off-topic! xD was just curious.

  42. Secrecy27 September 18, 2014 at 3:48 pm -      #42

    i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5336622848/h9157FCE2/

  43. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 18, 2014 at 5:05 pm -      #43

    “Blackwatch doesn’t have anyone on Mercer/Heller level. At all. Neither of them are a part of Blackwatch.”

    Those things I just mentioned. Definitely on his level, might not be as good, but they’re still physically at their level.

    Even if they weren’t a part of Blackwatch the other things I mentioned were, and are on his level. There’s still all the viral warefare Blackwatch has with the different light viruses they have, which just seems to make more people on that level(might just be specifically Whitelight, but they’ve all transformed people into things like that).

    Does Pariah count as part of Blackwatch? He’s in their custody, if memory serves.
    =
    “And the blast radius of that nuke was laughable.”

    It was supposed to be 80 KT, don’t know how big of an explosion that would be, nor how far the effects would be felt for, but it was also stated that it detonated 10-15 miles away from the city.
    =
    “They are not Blackwatch, D0Codes are but are drowned in numbers/exotic weapons.”

    They might not be faithful to Blackwatch and serve as spies for Mercer, but still are a part of Blackwatch. Some of the Evolved were just Blackwatch that turned into Evolved after Heller destroyed Whitelight containers and they were exposed to the new virus. Supreme Hunter was a virus made by Blackwatch to kill Mercer. They also still have the Red/Black/White-light viruses to play with if need be.
    =
    Granted, this all assuming they don’t get nuked hell and back, since apparently Nazi’s have nukes.

    So, nothing on Titans on TNT?

  44. Secrecy27 September 18, 2014 at 5:21 pm -      #44

    Does Pariah count as part of Blackwatch? He’s in their custody, if memory serves.

    And how does this make him a member of blackwatch?

    They might not be faithful to Blackwatch and serve as spies for Mercer, but still are a part of Blackwatch.

    Eh, no. If they serve as an infiltration unit for another faction, they will not be used as a unit for Blackwatch.

    Supreme Hunter was a virus made by Blackwatch to kill Mercer.

    SH’s was indeed a virus intended to kill and/or weaken Mercer, but Mercer rejected it. I don’t know how they got hold of a new container of the virus, but Mercer then injected Elizabeth Green with it, her body rejected it completely (in the form of a pile of puke). SH has no connections with Blackwatch, and no loyalty, he is no member of Blackwatch, and shouldn’t be used as such.

    They also still have the Red/Black/White-light viruses to play with if need be.

    And, in the case of Blackwatch using any of the ligth-virus’s, how is it a victory for Blackwatch by creating a world-wide infection which exterminates the human race?

  45. Envoy September 18, 2014 at 5:37 pm -      #45

    “SH has no connections with Blackwatch, and no loyalty, he is no member of Blackwatch, and shouldn’t be used as such.”
    +
    It ate and posed as Robert Cross, issuing commands to blackwatch as a high ranking member.
    =
    “And, in the case of Blackwatch using any of the ligth-virus’s, how is it a victory for Blackwatch by creating a world-wide infection which exterminates the human race?”
    +
    How are nukes a better alternative?

  46. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 18, 2014 at 5:51 pm -      #46

    “And how does this make him a member of blackwatch?”

    He’s still a part of it, even if he’s not a member.
    =
    “Eh, no. If they serve as an infiltration unit for another faction, they will not be used as a unit for Blackwatch.”

    That still served under Blackwatch unless Mercer gave them a separate command. Similar to what the Supreme Hunter did as Envoy pointed out.
    =
    “And, in the case of Blackwatch using any of the ligth-virus’s, how is it a victory for Blackwatch by creating a world-wide infection which exterminates the human race?”

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mSeSoDEnTM

    As long as they have the planet in the end, they still win. Doesn’t need to be populated nor in a good condition, just still Earth. Either way, nuking everything doesn’t seem like a much better solution.

  47. croc911 September 18, 2014 at 5:58 pm -      #47

    I’d like to thank CHN for not seeing everything black and white.

    By the way. Seeing how blackwatch is a black ops group , staying secret and in the shadows while still influencing current affairs in the nazi world isn’t entirely implausible. They could introduce outbreaks in various cities with their BW agents in order I distract nazis and cause the slow process of world chaos to suit their needs.

  48. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 18, 2014 at 6:13 pm -      #48

    @Croc So, before it goes past 50 posts, Evolved and Supreme Hunter are they part of Blackwatch for this match, or since they’re only spies for Mercer should they not count?

  49. Ragnorke September 18, 2014 at 6:14 pm -      #49

    @croc911
    You’re going into “what if…” territory now.
    This is a vs. match, meaning both sides start with knowledge of each other and etc etc (standard match rules)
    Blackwatch won’t get very far without heavy PiS.

  50. Ragnorke September 18, 2014 at 6:15 pm -      #50

    @CH
    SH was manipulating Blackwatch for his needs, he has no loyalty to them, nor would he want to help them in a time like this. By default rules, he would not be used. Croc can obviously change that though.

  51. Secrecy27 September 18, 2014 at 6:17 pm -      #51

    It ate and posed as Robert Cross, issuing commands to blackwatch as a high ranking member.

    That doesn’t make him a member/part of Blackwatch, SH was a rouge infected who only purpose was to grow stronger and be free. Disguising as a member of a faction doesn’t make you a member/part of it.

    How are nukes a better alternative?

    Never said it was, the discussion I had very only if Blackwatch had any nuclear weapons. But, the thing is, WSN doesn’t need to nuke the entire world to eradicate Blackwatch.

    He’s still a part of it, even if he’s not a member.

    He is a test subject, that makes him a prisoner, not a member/part of Blackwatch. Prisoner doesn’t fight for the faction who holds them jailed.

    That still served under Blackwatch unless Mercer gave them a separate command. Similar to what the Supreme Hunter did as Envoy pointed out.

    INFILTRATION“. They are not members/part of Blackwatch. Discussing as an enemy doesn’t make you one of them. They are still members of Mercer’s faction. Give me one videoclip of them using their powers in service of Blackwatch.

    I’d like to thank CHN for not seeing everything black and white.

    Oh, please. Don’t go all melodramatic.

    Seeing how blackwatch is a black ops group , staying secret and in the shadows while still influencing current affairs in the nazi world isn’t entirely implausible.

    The only reason they could influence the affairs of US in prototype was because they already had a foot in the door(so to speak). It’s not hard staying covert if the country you are operating in is the country who funds you and gives you total control over its assets.

  52. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 18, 2014 at 7:26 pm -      #52

    “SH was manipulating Blackwatch for his needs, he has no loyalty to them, nor would he want to help them in a time like this. By default rules, he would not be used. Croc can obviously change that though.”

    He still worked for them, with them, and did as they commanded him, only until Mercer invaded the ship did he decide to go against them. He’s still their property and owned by them. To use an example if I have a dog and he decides to bite my hand off, is it still not my dog?
    =
    “SH was a rouge infected”

    He wasn’t an infected, he was the virus Blackwatch made to kill Mercer, it worked temporarily and made him loose some of his powers for a bit. Eventually Mercer got it out of his system and injected it to Greene, and she vomited it out and thus the Supreme Hunter was born.
    =
    “He is a test subject, that makes him a prisoner, not a member/part of Blackwatch. Prisoner doesn’t fight for the faction who holds them jailed.”

    He would be a part of it, since he’s theirs. Would he be willing to help them out? Who knows, but it would still throw a monkey wrench at the Nazi’s that they won’t do very well against.
    =
    “‘INFILTRATION’. They are not members/part of Blackwatch. Discussing as an enemy doesn’t make you one of them. They are still members of Mercer’s faction. Give me one videoclip of them using their powers in service of Blackwatch.”

    Blackwatch would have them down as part of their own, Yea, they infiltrated them, but they’re still working for Blackwatch, and they have them as part of their personal. As far as Blackwatch knows, the Evolved are part of Blackwatch.

    Even so, not all of the Evolved are working for Mercer, some of the Evolved just happened to transform after being exposed to Whitelight, and have no ties to anything but Blackwatch. There’s still releasing the virus unto the world and making things really difficult for the Nazi’s, or they could all let themselves get infected and just keep infiltrating Nazi ranks till the Nazi’s become Blackwatch.
    =
    Again, this is all assuming Blackwatch doesn’t get nuked right of the get go.

  53. Secrecy27 September 18, 2014 at 7:48 pm -      #53

    He still worked for them, with them, and did as they commanded him, only until Mercer invaded the ship did he decide to go against them.

    The entire plan to get Mercer on the ship was his (or Cross’s, and since he consumed Cross he would know if this plan).

    He’s still their property and owned by them.

    So was Alex Mercer, and the Blacklight virus he was working on, and he turned out to help them very much, didn’t he? He really is a part of Blacklight, isn’t he?

    To use an example if I have a dog and he decides to bite my hand off, is it still not my dog?

    Bad example, a better one would be: if you have a dog, it runs away, and makes a stray dog pregnant and it give birth to a puppie, and you would give it food, and bite you when you try to put a collor on it, is it still your puppie?

    He would be a part of it, since he’s theirs. Would he be willing to help them out? Who knows, but it would still throw a monkey wrench at the Nazi’s that they won’t do very well against.

    He isn’t “theirs”. He was pulled from his mothers arms at birth and locked in as a test subject. Prisoners still isn’t part of their jailors faction. Other than that Pharia has no feats, except killing some soldiers, with no information how.

    He wasn’t an infected, he was the virus Blackwatch made to kill Mercer, it worked temporarily and made him loose some of his powers for a bit. Eventually Mercer got it out of his system and injected it to Greene, and she vomited it out and thus the Supreme Hunter was born.

    Let me qoute myself from post #44.
    SH’s was indeed a virus intended to kill and/or weaken Mercer, but Mercer rejected it. I don’t know how they got hold of a new container of the virus, but Mercer then injected Elizabeth Green with it, her body rejected it completely (in the form of a pile of puke). SH has no connections with Blackwatch, and no loyalty, he is no member of Blackwatch, and shouldn’t be used as such.

    Even so, not all of the Evolved are working for Mercer, some of the Evolved just happened to transform after being exposed to Whitelight, and have no ties to anything but Blackwatch.

    Then, please, provide a quote or video that confirms this.

  54. Rhododendron September 18, 2014 at 7:55 pm -      #54

    …huh
    ——-
    So for black watch do the get every available asset they’ve had? and do the Germans get the super weapons they never created during the war?

  55. croc911 September 18, 2014 at 7:55 pm -      #55

    @basically everyone

    No, Supreme Hunter, Evolved, don’t count except the evolved that were exposed to whitelight and were actually loyal to blackwatch, like the Doctor guy.

    However, I disagree why Blackwatch can’t get US support. Blackwatch without US support is like the Tau empire without Groot and Vespid support. It’s like the Roman empire without their mercenarie from their conquered territories. US is a part of Blackwatch no matter what way you put it and they are forced to take orders from them no matter what. Blackwatch has access to all their weapons stockpiles and the craploads of marines and their equipment in-game and in canon.

    Blackwatch gets US support. Done.

  56. Secrecy27 September 18, 2014 at 8:02 pm -      #56

    don’t count except the evolved that were exposed to whitelight and were actually loyal to blackwatch, like the Doctor guy.

    Since so damn hard to get any information from any of you guy I did some research of my own. If you mean Dr. Anton Koenig, he was loyal to Mercer all along. The wiki gives a few interesting qoutes, like: “Whitelight was developed by Dr. Archer and her team as a cure for the Blacklight virus made by Gentek. However, Alex Mercer ordered Archer, who was one of his Evolved, to taint it with his blood before it was deployed. The tainted Whitelight infected those exposed with Blacklight, rather than curing them” and “Although the Evolved have intelligence, those transformed by Whitelight will still attack Blackwatch after transforming for mere seconds, without receiving orders from Alex Mercer.“.
    So far I see no evidence of any evolved loyal to Blackwatch.

    US is a part of Blackwatch no matter what way you put it

    Do you even listen to the lore in game? Blackwatch is a part of the US, not the other way around. Blackwatch Special Forces, officially designated under 1st Biological Warfare Command, is the black ops military force responsible for the containment of biohazard/viral outbreaks.

  57. croc911 September 18, 2014 at 9:09 pm -      #57

    @Secrecy

    Yeah, but they STILL got command over the US marines and army and even airforce. Plus, I suggested this match and before I already indicated that I wanted US to be part of Blackwatch.

  58. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 18, 2014 at 9:16 pm -      #58

    Dropping Pariah and Supreme Hunter since they’re ruled out.
    =
    “He really is a part of Blacklight, isn’t he?”

    Yea, you’re right, he is a part of Blacklight.
    =
    “Bad example, a better one would be”

    No, that was worse, since it’s still the same dog that you originally owned, not some random puppy.
    =
    “Then, please, provide a quote or video that confirms this.”

    prototype.wikia.com/wiki/Evolved Look at the known Evolved part. Can’t find a video of Whitelight transforming Blackwatch, but seems you kind of found that they’ve done t already.

    “So far I see no evidence of any evolved loyal to Blackwatch.”

    Doesn’t matter if they’re loyal or not, they’re still Blackwatch. Corrupt cops are still cops.
    =
    “Since so damn hard to get any information from any of you guy”

    O please, you ask for information once and “it’s so damn hard to get information” now? No one’s asked, so none has been given, don’t complain about it and like it’s been asked for from the start of the match.

  59. Secrecy27 September 18, 2014 at 9:22 pm -      #59

    @croc911
    They only have authority over ordinary US forces when it comes to biological warfare, they have nothing to say over, for example, the marine corps during a ordinary war.

  60. croc911 September 18, 2014 at 9:27 pm -      #60

    @Secrecy 27

    For the sake of this match, Blackwatch believes the German army is a biological thread due to their genocidal tendencies. *Winks*

  61. croc911 September 18, 2014 at 9:28 pm -      #61

    @Secrecy 27

    For the sake of this match, Blackwatch believes the German army is a biological threat due to their genocidal tendencies. *Winks*

  62. Secrecy27 September 18, 2014 at 9:41 pm -      #62

    Yea, you’re right, he is a part of Blacklight.

    Ops, sorry, small mistake, meant to write Blackwatch.

    No, that was worse, since it’s still the same dog that you originally owned, not some random puppy.

    SH isn’t the same as the parasite the were infected in Mercer, it mutated when it were rejected by Elizabeth, it is not a parasite anymore. It’s more fitting calling it an offspring from Green and the cancer/parasite/virus Mercer was infected with, than calling it the same as the cancer/parasite/virus.

    Look at the known Evolved part

    Weird, every link to every character says they are loyal to Mercer.

    Doesn’t matter if they’re loyal or not, they’re still Blackwatch. Corrupt cops are still cops

    There more than a little difference between a corrupt cop and a mind-controlled soldier. The wiki states them listening for orders, directly after the transformation, from Mercer, it also stated they attacked nearby Blackwatch soldiers. It doesn’t sound like they are the same that were a part of Blackwatch.

  63. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 18, 2014 at 9:56 pm -      #63

    “SH isn’t the same as the parasite”

    Yes it is.
    =
    “It’s more fitting calling it an offspring from Green and the cancer/parasite/virus Mercer was infected with,”

    It’s still the same parasite.
    =
    “It doesn’t sound like they are the same that were a part of Blackwatch.”

    Doesn’t matter what it sounds like, they’re still Blackwatch.
    =
    “The wiki states them listening for orders, directly after the transformation, from Mercer”

    No it doesn’t, it says it’s presumed. It also doesn’t say that they do it because they’re listening to Mercer, but because they just transformed and it’s chaotic.

    “It is presumed that they attack simply because they are in the chaos of transformation.”

  64. Secrecy27 September 18, 2014 at 10:13 pm -      #64

    No it doesn’t, it says it’s presumed. It also doesn’t say that they do it because they’re listening to Mercer, but because they just transformed and it’s chaotic.

    They are infected with blacklight. Everything infected with blacklight, except Heller, obeys Mercer. It doesn’t matter why they attack, they simple do. There are no information that anyone has been in controll of their own mind after their infection.

    @croc911
    Can you clearify what you mean by: except the evolved that were exposed to whitelight and were actually loyal to blackwatch, like the Doctor guy?

  65. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 18, 2014 at 10:46 pm -      #65

    “They are infected with blacklight. ”

    No, with Whitelight. They’re all different.
    =
    “There are no information that anyone has been in controll of their own mind after their infection.”

    There’s nothing to suggest they’re being controlled either.

  66. Secrecy27 September 19, 2014 at 2:23 am -      #66

    No, with Whitelight. They’re all different.

    Post #56.
    Whitelight was developed by Dr. Archer and her team as a cure for the Blacklight virus made by Gentek. However, Alex Mercer ordered Archer, who was one of his Evolved, to taint it with his blood before it was deployed. The tainted Whitelight infected those exposed with Blacklight, rather than curing them”. So, no. It’s blacklight, and yes, they are exacly the same.

    There’s nothing to suggest they’re being controlled either.

    You were the one who said there were those still loyal to blackwatch after the infection, Burden of Proof is on you.

  67. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 19, 2014 at 5:30 am -      #67

    “You were the one who said there were those still loyal to blackwatch after the infection, Burden of Proof is on you.”

    I never said they were loyal, I just said they were a part of Blackwatch, which they are.

  68. Ragnorke September 19, 2014 at 10:55 am -      #68

    Us military is NOT a part of black watch, but rather Blackwatch is a part of the US military. Big difference.

    If you wanted to include he military, you shoulda named the match “us military vs wolfenstein nazis”… caus blackwatch is literally irrelevant.

    You should have clarified before post #50, and changing a match by such a large degree isn’t allowed anyways. So your “Done.” argument is bullshit.
    Us military is outside help. They don’t get a part in this unless everyone agrees to it.

  69. Secrecy27 September 19, 2014 at 12:06 pm -      #69

    I never said they were loyal

    Quoting yourself at post #52
    Even so, not all of the Evolved are working for Mercer, some of the Evolved just happened to transform after being exposed to Whitelight, and have no ties to anything but Blackwatch.

    I just said they were a part of Blackwatch, which they are

    No, they aren’t. They look like the humans that were part of Blackwatch, but everything has been changed by exposing them to black/whitelight. They don’t think the same, they are not even human anymore. They are a different creature posing as the one it was created from. It is not a member of Blackwatch, it is not human, it is posing as a Blackwatch soldier/scientist/officer, but it is not a Blackwatch soldier/scientist/officer.

    Put it like this, if I created a robot, made it look like me, talk like me, walk like me, gave it my memories, made it an exact copy of me, would it be me?

  70. Ragnorke September 19, 2014 at 1:29 pm -      #70

    @Secrecy
    To add onto your robot example, the robot copy would have its own secret ambitions and goals, and will have no loyalty to the people you had loyalty to.
    They aren’t used in this match. And in all honesty, why does it fucking matter? The Nazis stomp harder than Superman vs MC.

  71. Friendlysociopath September 19, 2014 at 1:49 pm -      #71

    “The Nazis stomp harder than Superman vs MC.”

    I wouldn’t put it to those levels, but yeah, Nazis have way too many numbers.
    Blackwatch being entirely destroyed I doubt, it would be reduced to a rebel group in the most likely scenario- which isn’t a victory for Blackwatch in any case.

    Out of curiosity, what IS the greatest stomp BankGambling has to offer?

  72. Ragnorke September 19, 2014 at 2:44 pm -      #72

    “Out of curiosity, what IS the greatest stomp BankGambling has to offer?”

    Dr. Manhattan vs MC hands down.

  73. Ragnorke September 19, 2014 at 2:58 pm -      #73

    @CH1
    While reading some old Marvel scans involving the High Evolutionary, i stumbled upon beings known as the “Beyonders”. Spent quite a bit of time reading up on them, and here’s some of the things i found out:

    1. They’re interdimensional, and are not a part of our Multiverse (not governed by the Living Tribunal)
    2. They’re nigh omnipotent in their own universe, but no one in the Marvel universe can “comprehend their existence”
    3. They created all the original cosmic cubes (artifacts with potential equal to the Infinity Gems)
    4. They created the pre-retcon Beyonder (yea.. i had no idea about this either)
    5. The High Evolutionary went mad after seeing them. (keep in mind HE is someone that has achieved absolute omnipotence)

    So, think they could have an involvement in Living Tribunals death?

  74. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 19, 2014 at 7:50 pm -      #74

    “Quoting yourself at post #52″

    So? Still didn’t say they were loyal to Blackwatch.
    =
    “No, they aren’t.”

    Blackwatch is still going to have them as part of their personnel.
    =
    “They look like the humans that were part of Blackwatch, but everything has been changed by exposing them to black/whitelight. They don’t think the same, they are not even human anymore. ”

    None of this refutes that they are still part of Blackwatch personnel.
    =
    “They are a different creature posing as the one it was created from. It is not a member of Blackwatch, it is not human, it is posing as a Blackwatch soldier/scientist/officer, but it is not a Blackwatch soldier/scientist/officer.”

    Most of that only applies to people who have been working for Mercer the entire time, the one’s who just turned are doing no such thing.

    Just because they work for Mercer secretly doesn’t make them any less a part of Blackwatch than Blackwatch’s janitor. Blackwatch is still going to have them as part of their active personnel, and they’re still Blackwatch’s employee’s and they still sign their checks.

    I get if it’s someone like Mercer or Heller who just walked in and consumed some random mook and why that wouldn’t count, but these guys didn’t have that happen. They were transformed after already being a part of Blackwatch. They didn’t go around consuming random people and posed as them, they already were those people.
    =
    “Put it like this, if I created a robot, made it look like me, talk like me, walk like me, gave it my memories, made it an exact copy of me, would it be me?”

    Bad analogy, this is more like if someone were to take out all your insides and put in robot parts and leave your outsides intact.

    To answer your question, as far as the world’s concerned? Yea, same guy. You’re employers would still consider the robot a part of them. Even if they found out, they probably wouldn’t care as long as the robot did your job.
    =
    “To add onto your robot example, the robot copy would have its own secret ambitions and goals, and will have no loyalty to the people you had loyalty to.”

    If a wife had a husband who went around cheating on her, does that suddenly mean the two aren’t married anymore?

    That’s the point I’m trying to make. Sure, the Evolved are not loyal to Blackwatch, and some have no loyalties at all, but it doesn’t matter since they’re still a part of Blackwatch.
    =
    “They aren’t used in this match.”

    Croc said that the ones loyal to Blackwatch/ones exposed to whitelight are still in this match. Since none were loyal to Blackwatch anyways that still leaves the ones that were exposed to whitelight in the match. The whole debates been whether or not they’re a part of Blackwatch or not.
    =
    “And in all honesty, why does it fucking matter?”

    At least with the Evolved and all the other Blacklight things Blackwatch owned/made/captured it could’ve ended up at least being debatable since Blackwatch could use subterfuge as a means to victory, as opposed to a straight up fight.
    =
    “The Nazis stomp harder than Superman vs MC.”

    Like said, all the things I’ve said are assuming that Nazi’s don’t nuke em off the get go.
    =
    “Out of curiosity, what IS the greatest stomp BankGambling has to offer?”

    Q vs MC or Titans(GoW) vs Celestials(Marvel). I’m sure there’s worse though.
    =
    @Rag Maybe, I’d doubt it though. They only have a few appearances(three in the actual comics). I have two of those issues, so I’ll probably read them later. I’m still thinking it was either TOAA himself or whoever Black Swan keeps talking about.

  75. Blazing Waffles September 20, 2014 at 2:44 am -      #75

    “technically Heller was part of Blackwatch”

    Despite him advising Red Crown that he is not, in fact, part of Blackwatch, at the start of the second game?

  76. Ragnorke September 20, 2014 at 12:33 pm -      #76

    “If a wife had a husband who went around cheating on her, does that suddenly mean the two aren’t married anymore?”

    More like: If a wife has no loyalty for her husband whatsoever, cheats on him, doesn’t care about him, couldn’t care less if he dies as long as she gets what she wants… and is only married to him for his resources and money…
    Yes they are still married, but she has no reason to help him in a situation like this. At all.

    “. I’m still thinking it was either TOAA himself ”

    TOAA has never gotten involved in anything to do with Marvel as far as i know… like never… not even with Thanos & HotU…
    So don’t see why he would kill off the LT.

  77. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 21, 2014 at 2:07 am -      #77

    “Yes they are still married,”

    All I was looking for.
    =
    “she has no reason to help him in a situation like this. At all.”

    Survival seems like it’d be a good reason.

    The only times the Evolved ever betrayed Blackwatch where when Mercer told them to and whenever Heller was interfering, other than that they worked for Blackwatch as if they were a part of them. Since Mercer isn’t in the match I see no reason why they wouldn’t work with Blackwatch.
    =
    “TOAA has never gotten involved in anything to do with Marvel as far as i know… like never… not even with Thanos & HotU…”

    Marvel wiki has him listed as appearing in three comics. I’ve only read one of them, and the other two I’m only taking the wiki’s word for.

    The first having to do with TOAA bringing the Thing back to life. The second being TOAA comforting Spidey on Aunt May’s condition. The last(actually have read this one)was bringing back Ghost Rider after having died at the Hand’s… hands… and then sending him an army of angels to kill the Hand for him.
    =
    “So don’t see why he would kill off the LT.”

    The only reason I’m suggesting that he had anything to do with it is because as of now, we really have no reason to believe anything else in Marvel Multiverse is powerful enough to do it. Could there be? Yea, sure, but we don’t have a reason to think so.

    The only other guy I can think of right now is the guy Black Swan keeps nagging about, but we haven’t seen him do anything so who knows.

  78. Blazing Waffles September 23, 2014 at 12:04 am -      #78

    “The only times the Evolved ever betrayed Blackwatch where when Mercer told them to and whenever Heller was interfering, other than that they worked for Blackwatch as if they were a part of them. Since Mercer isn’t in the match I see no reason why they wouldn’t work with Blackwatch.”

    They were specifically waiting for Mercer to give them the signal to betray Blackwatch. They were never loyal, they were just ordered to infiltrate the organization, get key Evolved into key positions, and use them to gather intel or screw with Whitelight. They weren’t really part of Blackwatch to begin with.
    /
    And besides, since Mercer isn’t part of this match, how could any of his ilk be involved anyway?

  79. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 25, 2014 at 2:52 am -      #79

    “They were never loyal”

    I don’t think their loyalty was ever in question. We all know they aren’t loyal, but they’re still a part of Blackwatch.
    =
    “they were just ordered to infiltrate the organization, get key Evolved into key positions, and use them to gather intel or screw with Whitelight”

    I refer you to the disloyal spouse example.
    =
    “And besides, since Mercer isn’t part of this match, how could any of his ilk be involved anyway?”

    Because unlike Mercer, the Evolved are part of Blackwatch, even if they’re a treacherous bunch.
    =
    Besides, due to the wording of OP it seems like he wanted them as part of the match:

    “Evolved, don’t count except the evolved that were exposed to whitelight and were actually loyal to blackwatch, like the Doctor guy.”

    Those exposed to Whitelight are in, and seeing how every other Evolved was “loyal(I use that VERY loosely),” to Blackwatch in the same way Anton Koenig(I’m assuming he’s the “Doctor guy” Croc was referring to)was loyal to Blackwatch.
    =
    Honestly, without the entirety of the Prototype verse, or at least just the Blacklight infections I doubt they’d win. They could try subterfuge with the Evolved, but I don’t think it’d work since NY would probably get nuked before they could get anywhere.

  80. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets January 28, 2015 at 7:51 pm -      #80

    “While reading some old Marvel scans involving the High Evolutionary, i stumbled upon beings known as the “Beyonders”. Spent quite a bit of time reading up on them, and here’s some of the things i found out:”

    i.imgur.com/Hlpag7I.jpg

    So, it looks like we’ll finally see what it is exactly the Beyonders can do.

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