Team Magic Vs Team Force

Team Magic Vs Team Force

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Team Magic:
Argeddion, Darquesse & Lord Vile (Skulduggery Pleasant)
Doctor Doom (Marvel)
Molly Carpenter & Ebenezar McCoy (Dresden Files)
Richard Rahl (Sword of Truth)
Rand al Thor (Wheel of Time)

Vs

Team Force: (Star Wars)
Abeloth
Luke Skywalker
Emperor Palpatine
Darth Nihilus
Marka Ragnos
Starkiller
Darth Bane
Yoda

Fight takes place in Las Vegas at night. It has been deserted. They begin on opposite ends of the strip, 200 meters apart.

Force users are EU and at their peak.
Rahl has Callandor.
Molly is Winter Lady incarnation.
Argeddion’s morals are off.

Which team wins?

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114 Comments on "Team Magic Vs Team Force"

  1. Commander Cross September 18, 2014 at 10:37 am -      #101

    @Sadot at #99

    Yet still no word on Hellsing or Dot Hack(.Hack), then?

    It’s a bloody shame, if anyone’s fond of Torchwood or Hellsing, I would have told them to go nab some of the Skulduggery Pleasant volumes ASAP.
    I’ve already stated the situation-based common grounds in fanbases between Dot Hack(.Hack) and Skulduggery Pleasant a long time back.

    Also, what did I request about saving it for Page 02, again?

    ____

    Anyway, if Darquesse goes to exploit what she knows, this will be yet another Major Boon for Side A to say the least.

    Either way, a lot of Dead Westburo Psychos and Bad Politicians will be dead by the time any of this mess is over, sounds like news to me and almost seems like Christmas or Halloween/All Hallows’ Eve has arrived in a way.

    Could you please check your G-mail while you’re at it, Sadot?

    I just gave you an e-mail sent from me so you can find me.

  2. Malenfant September 18, 2014 at 4:24 pm -      #102

    “In the first Scenario, an Amped Adam Warlock started fighting Galactus, and saved Thanos’ life.
    In the second Scenario, Thanos had just enough time to beg for mercy, because he had some intell that Galactus needed.
    It’s a fact that Galactus can stomp Thanos whenever he likes, under normal circumstances.
    Saying that Thanos can put up a fight without PiS on his side is a complete & utter asspull, and that’s something everyone on BankGambling would agree on.”

    Like I said, Galactus has no way to permanently put him down.

    “Galactus has consumed a universe.”

    So? The Heart of Infinite is the center of the omniverse. It’s literally the TOAA’s power!

    “So you’re saying if a character wields an item in only 1 of his thousand showings… that item becomes standard equipment?”

    No, I’m just saying that if we don’t allow plot devices, then a lot of comic standard equipment becames impossible to use. It was a general statement. Captain America’s shield is both a massive plot device and an icon, so that means we shouldn’t allow it despite it being standard gear? Ditto on Thor’s Hammer, or even non-comic stuff like the Sonic Screwdriver.

    “Neither the IG or HotU are Standard Equipment for Thanos.”

    I never said that those are standard equipment.

    “…So Thanos can still die, and Galactus can still kill him with ease. So i’m not sure what your point was.”

    That he can’t be permanently put him down. That was my original point.

    “And this is exactly what i’m disagreeing with.
    It’s the Captain America vs Thanos example. It’s plot-induced stupidity.”

    “The same reason Thanos doesn’t just instantly destroy Earth or kill Captain America. PiS.”

    Prove it. Prove it was PIS. How can you say this was PIS, while Thanos vs. Galactus wasn’t?

    “Mephisto has beaten Galactus. I dare you to show me an unamped Doom fighting anyone near Galactus.”

    With prep, like he had in that situation? He’s taken out the Beyonder.

    “He had access to the exact materials he needed, because he was able to build exactly what he wanted to build.”

    What the hell kind of logic is that? How can you just throw out that he might just be that good at science?

    “Unless you’re saying that Doom can build ANYTHING he wants, with ANY MATERIALS he has… which is pure PiS, and has no place in this match.”

    I’m not saying he can build anything, I’m just saying that he’s quite capable of building advanced technology that makes current day stuff look primitive.

  3. Jake_Uzumaki September 18, 2014 at 4:40 pm -      #103

    Future Thanos with the IG telling past Thanos that he will survive the encounter with Galactus “more handily than you should”
    i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd466/shogunofharlem1/ThanosAnnual001-023_zpsd9e2e445.jpg
    buut…the rest of this is also relevant
    i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd466/shogunofharlem1/ThanosAnnual001-024_zps19e195fc.jpg
    i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd466/shogunofharlem1/ThanosAnnual001-025_zps2c336a0a.jpg

    so…*shrugs*

  4. wingedlion September 18, 2014 at 5:07 pm -      #104

    “Like I said, Galactus has no way to permanently put him down.”

    and? how does that put thanos anywhere near galactus?

    “So? The Heart of Infinite is the center of the omniverse. It’s literally the TOAA’s power!”

    so what? your acting as if thanos actually has that.

    “No, I’m just saying that if we don’t allow plot devices, then a lot of comic standard equipment becames impossible to use. It was a general statement. Captain America’s shield is both a massive plot device and an icon, so that means we shouldn’t allow it despite it being standard gear? Ditto on Thor’s Hammer, or even non-comic stuff like the Sonic Screwdriver.”

    these example are nothing like the situation your describing. unlike thanos with the IG or HOTU, cap’s sheild and mjolnir being standard equipment for them means that they can keep it. those are items that the respective combatants carry with them all the time, and it’s their main weapons. it actually belongs to them. therefore they can use it. it’s nothing like the HOTU, which thanos only had once for a limited time and then never again. those two situations are nothing alike.

    the whole point of giving someone prep time is to allow the person to come up with something with their own resources. those plot devices do not fall into that category. their not something thanos has locked away in his closet. they don’t count.

    “Prove it. Prove it was PIS. How can you say this was PIS, while Thanos vs. Galactus wasn’t?”

    because doom has never before been shown to fight at that level of power before. this is a demon who has cosmic feats under his belt and was able to temporarily fight galactus. doom has never ever shown to operate at that level of power without prep, and he has struggled and lost to weaker people.

    “With prep, like he had in that situation?”

    from what i gather he didn’t use prep for that situation, he just plain fought him with magic.

    “What the hell kind of logic is that? How can you just throw out that he might just be that good at science?”

    um, what? what the hell are you talking about? rag never said that. he just said he had the exact materials to build a time machine from. which he obviously did, since he built it and brought himself back.

    “I’m not saying he can build anything, I’m just saying that he’s quite capable of building advanced technology that makes current day stuff look primitive.”

    and no one here is denying that, but that skill is completely useless in this match. doom is busy fighting. he’s not going to find the time to go and build something to destroy team 2. especially when he can already do it himself.

  5. Ragnorke September 18, 2014 at 5:11 pm -      #105

    “Like I said, Galactus has no way to permanently put him down.”

    Galactus is actually on par with the entity “Death”, who is the reason Thanos can’t be “permanently put down”
    There’s no contest between them. Whether Thanos can be PERMANENTLY put down or not is irrelevant, Galactus is and always has been more powerful, and will always win without the involvement of PiS.

    “So? The Heart of Infinite is the center of the omniverse. It’s literally the TOAA’s power!”

    The Heart of the *Universe (not infinite) can be absorbed by anyone with energy absorption, including Galactus.
    Thanos was by no means the ONLY person capable of absorbing it, he was simply the person that DID absorb it.
    My point was that bringing up the HotU was pointless.

    “No, I’m just saying that if we don’t allow plot devices, then a lot of comic standard equipment becames impossible to use.”

    Plot Devices which are standard equipment are always allowed by default, since they’re a part of a characters identity. Plot Devices which are not standard equipment should not be taken into consideration unless specifically mentioned.
    Pretty straight forward to be honest.

    “Prove it. Prove it was PIS. How can you say this was PIS, while Thanos vs. Galactus wasn’t?”

    Thanos & Galactus have had multiple showings together, not one. And it’s undeniably clear that Galactus is the more powerful.
    Calling multiple showings PiS is a lot harder than calling a single showing PiS.

    The reason Doom holding his own against Mephisto is PiS, is because Doom has never managed to hold his own against someone of that power before or since (without prep/amps)
    Mephisto has fought Galactus, Mephisto has fought Odin, Mephisto has fought Zarathos… All of whom are people that would roflstomp Doom in a millisecond.
    And last but not least, Doom AND Strange together were not capable of beating Mephisto. That further supports the fact that Doom shouldn’t have been able to fight Mephisto on his own without PiS.

    “With prep, like he had in that situation? He’s taken out the Beyonder.”

    There is no prep in this match.

    “How can you just throw out that he might just be that good at science?”

    No matter how good at science you are, you can’t make something out of nothing.
    If he doesn’t have the materials required to make a device, he cannot make it.
    Can you prove he has the required materials (and time) to make any one of the devices he has previously made?

    “I’m not saying he can build anything, I’m just saying that he’s quite capable of building advanced technology that makes current day stuff look primitive.”

    And i agree.
    But WHAT exactly do you suggest he can build? Saying he can build “something” is literally useless as far as the match goes. You need to be more specific.
    And once you become more specific, you’ll need to PROVE he can build that exact thing, with the materials he has available.

  6. Commander Cross September 18, 2014 at 7:39 pm -      #106

    It’s very easy to prove that Darquesse knows about Star Wars in general, guys and ghouls.

    Need me to see if I can fetch a quote somewhere that confirms it?

  7. sadot06 September 19, 2014 at 5:45 am -      #107

    So I’m reading the new Skulduggery book. Still in the beginning but SPOILER ALERT, I suppose. But not really.

    Darquesse can manipulate atoms:

    Darquesse narrowed her eyes. “Oh, I do not like being patronised.” She raised her hand and Tarry exploded into nothingness. Sanguine jerked back in astonishment. No blood, no meat, no bones. Nothing.
    “There,” Darquesse said, a smile on her face once again. “I feel so much better now.”
    “What did you do to him?” Sanguine asked. “Where is he?” “He’s still here,” said Darquesse, her fingers playing lightly against the air.
    “His atoms are spread out around the room. It’s funny, isn’t it? Group all those atoms together and Nestor has a body. Separate them, and you have to ask where he’s gone. I can put him back together, if you’d like.”
    “You could do that?” “Sure. I think. Putting things back together is a lot harder than pulling them apart, but I’ll do my best.” Darquesse chewed her bottom lip as she focused. A moment passed, and she closed her fist, and Tarry reappeared, blurring into existence. He staggered, eyes glassy, and dropped to his knees. “He’s in shock,” said Darquesse. “Either that or he’s a vegetable. The brain is tricky. I can see how the body reassembles, how the nervous system fits, but the brain will take a little more practice. Want a seat?” Sanguine looked at her.
    “Sorry?”
    “A seat,” she said. “You want one? You look tired.” Before he could answer, she had splayed her hand and Tarry exploded into nothingness once more. This time when she closed her fist, however, a chair blurred into being. “There,” Darquesse said.
    “Did you … did you just turn him into a chair?” “Yes I did,” said Darquesse, grinning. “Atoms are atoms. It’s all about what you do with them and how you arrange them. Man gets turned into a chair. Chair gets turned into a glass of water. It’s still Nestor, though. He’s still there. I haven’t killed him.”

  8. sadot06 September 19, 2014 at 5:59 am -      #108

    I guess this would count as soul fuckery. This was on the next page:

    “It’s just another form to take.”
    “I’m gonna have to disagree with you on that one, Darquesse. He’s dead. You killed him. Where are his memories? His personality? Where are all the things that define him?”
    Darquesse tilted her head. “None of that stuff defines us, Billy-Ray. Memories can be lost. Personalities can be changed. Who we are, our true essence, is our energy. If I wanted to kill him, I’d just do it.” She clicked her fingers and the chair was incinerated in a burst of black flame. “There,” said Darquesse. “Happy now? Nestor is dead. Every last trace of him. His atoms, his energy – gone. He can’t be brought back now. That’s how you kill someone, Billy-Ray. You wipe them from existence. Stopping a heart from beating, cutting off thoughts, turning someone into something … that doesn’t mean anything. Consciousness doesn’t mean anything. Are you any more valuable than a rock, just because you have sentience? No you’re not.”

  9. Malenfant September 19, 2014 at 5:46 pm -      #109

    “Galactus is actually on par with the entity “Death”, who is the reason Thanos can’t be “permanently put down”

    That’s a debate for another time, an off-topic one. Huh, speaking of off-topic debates:
    “There’s no contest between them. Whether Thanos can be PERMANENTLY put down or not is irrelevant, Galactus is and always has been more powerful, and will always win without the involvement of PiS.”

    “The Heart of the *Universe (not infinite)”

    It can go either way. I use infinite because I find universe to be a bit of a misnomer considering what it is.

    “can be absorbed by anyone with energy absorption, including Galactus.
    Thanos was by no means the ONLY person capable of absorbing it, he was simply the person that DID absorb it.”

    Adam Warlock had trouble siphoning the cosmic energy from it IIRC.

    “Plot Devices which are standard equipment are always allowed by default, since they’re a part of a characters identity. Plot Devices which are not standard equipment should not be taken into consideration unless specifically mentioned.
    Pretty straight forward to be honest.”

    So you agree with me?

    “The reason Doom holding his own against Mephisto is PiS, is because Doom has never managed to hold his own against someone of that power before or since (without prep/amps)
    Mephisto has fought Galactus, Mephisto has fought Odin, Mephisto has fought Zarathos… All of whom are people that would roflstomp Doom in a millisecond.”

    Why’s that matter? Victory in combat isn’t transitive.

    “And last but not least, Doom AND Strange together were not capable of beating Mephisto. That further supports the fact that Doom shouldn’t have been able to fight Mephisto on his own without PiS.”

    How? All it supports is that Doom beating Mephisto would’ve been PIS, not a mere fight.

    “There is no prep in this match.”

    I’m talking about him versus Mephisto, or Galactus.

    “No matter how good at science you are, you can’t make something out of nothing.”

    He wasn’t making ‘something out of nothing’. My point was just that he was able to build a time machine out of rudimentary materials, and you responded with that he had the exact materials necessary to build a time machine.

  10. Ragnorke September 19, 2014 at 6:10 pm -      #110

    “That’s a debate for another time, an off-topic one. Huh, speaking of off-topic debates:”

    If you do not wish to continue an off-topic debate, you don’t have to. But as long as you continue responding & arguing, i will continue debating.

    “It can go either way. I use infinite because I find universe to be a bit of a misnomer considering what it is.”

    It’s clearly called “Heart of the Universe”… What do you mean it can go either way?

    “So you agree with me?”

    Not sure what your original claim was, since we’ve been going back & forth… But MY claim was that neither the IG nor the HotU are Standard Equipment for Thanos, thus they should not be taken into consideration.

    “Why’s that matter? Victory in combat isn’t transitive.”

    With this logic, the random cops on earth that beat Thanos once are actually on par with Thanos. But the random cops are not on par with Thanos, it was simply PiS.
    Power Scaling is very much a valid point in debates, and using power scaling we know that Mephisto is far superior to Doom, making the encounter where Doom was “holding his own” against Mephisto PiS.

    “How? All it supports is that Doom beating Mephisto would’ve been PIS, not a mere fight.”

    Doom has gotten whooped like no tomorrow by people far below planet busting… yet you’re saying he can hold his own against galaxy busters?
    No. It’s PiS.

    ” My point was just that he was able to build a time machine out of rudimentary materials, and you responded with that he had the exact materials necessary to build a time machine.”

    Because he clearly DID have the materials necessary to build a time machine… rudimentary or not.
    Can you prove that those very same materials will be available here?

    Now i know what you’re trying to say… That Doom can make “something” to help out the team… but that’s pretty much meaningless here unless we go into the specifics of WHAT we think he can build.
    And once we make the claim of what he can build, we need to prove that claim by proving he’ll have the necessary materials & time to make it.
    Which is why, for the most part, it’s a worthless claim, since it cannot be proven.

  11. Malenfant September 19, 2014 at 9:34 pm -      #111

    “If you do not wish to continue an off-topic debate, you don’t have to. But as long as you continue responding & arguing, i will continue debating.”

    Fair enough.

    “Doom has gotten whooped like no tomorrow by people far below planet busting… yet you’re saying he can hold his own against galaxy busters?
    No. It’s PiS.”

    Has he got whooped like no tomorrow by said people with prep?

    “Because he clearly DID have the materials necessary to build a time machine… rudimentary or not.
    Can you prove that those very same materials will be available here?”

    I see what’s going on. You think I’m claiming that he was able to spontaneously create a time machine, while I thought you were claiming that he could only build a time machine because he had access to the exact materials that any normal human with knowledge of how to put them together, or an instruction manual, could do. No, I was just claiming he was able to build a time machine from spare parts he was able to get. He’s also built one with Tony Stark IIRC, but the feat isn’t exactly the same.

  12. Commander Cross September 19, 2014 at 9:50 pm -      #112

    Darquesse and Post-Cold Days Molly are already ahead of everyone else, why is the rest of Side A suddenly falling behind lately?

  13. Friendlysociopath September 19, 2014 at 10:13 pm -      #113

    “Darquesse and Post-Cold Days Molly are already ahead of everyone else, why is the rest of Side A suddenly falling behind lately?”

    Well Rand’Al and Rahl are pretty well known by now so people are informed of what they do. Hence the lack of mentions.

    Doom fans are apparently involved in some prep-time sorcery that I don’t particularly understand.

    Pretty much they have ludicrously heavy hitters so going on about the lesser characters isn’t pushing very far. It’s like every Avengers debate almost immediately goes straight to Thor and the Justice League debates fall onto Superman, power levels make lower tiers irrelevant.

  14. Commander Cross September 19, 2014 at 10:23 pm -      #114

    @Friendlysociopath at #113

    Okay I feel bad for forgetting about Rand, but unless Argeddion manages to upgrade/unleash Rand’s and Rahl’s true Powers, it’s also just him, Doctor Doom*, Darquesse and Post-Cold Days Molly doing most of the heavy-lifting.
    It would Disturb me personally If The World of Skulduggery Pleasant’s response to Hellsing’s (Pre-Schrodinger) Alucard himself is falling behind in some way or another, it doesn’t have to be offensive to be disturbing I’ll assure you.
    Likewise with McCoy to less obvious extents.

    ____

    If we wanted to talk The Badassitude Totals favoring either Sides A or B, that department’s leaning more on Side A’s current list of combatants as a group, isn’t it?

    1.) (Was it 616 or Ultimate Alliance-verse Doom being used?I know it’s not the Live-Action versions of Doctor Doom obviously speaking.)

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