Korra & Ulyaoth Vs Aang & Sauron

Korra & Ulyaoth Vs Aang & Sauron

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For this fight, we have Korra (Legend of Korra) & Ulyaoth (Eternal Darkness) facing off against Aang (Avatar) & Sauron from the Lord of the Rings Franchise.

Everybody allowed to use their strongest abilities, of course.

Battlefield: Pelennor Fields

Which team wins?

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109 Comments on "Korra & Ulyaoth Vs Aang & Sauron"

  1. nsl98 September 8, 2014 at 6:38 am -      #1

    First

  2. Commander Cross September 8, 2014 at 7:10 am -      #2

    If you don’t have anything integral to add or ask while having the first comment, what the bloody hell’s the point exactly!?

    ___

    Anyway, there better be a bloody good explanation behind the Successor and the Precursor having to fight each other like this, granted something like that was gonna happen sooner or later, but geez the least you could have done is provide some reasonable explaining going on, it won’t kill you to do as much here.

  3. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 7:58 am -      #3

    No idea who or what Ulyaoth is or how it stacks up to Sauron.

    Korra vs Aang peak abilities for both? That’s going to be nasty. While adult Aang has more personal experience Korra does have him as a past life at peak..
    Aang is much more comfortable with more defensive arts and while very aggressive in the Avatar state Korra is as aggressive as that outside of it I’d have to say…because that chick goes fucking bloodthirsty when she’s pissed in the Avatar State…chick was chucking mesa’s at Zaheer while weakened and with a vastly weaker Avatar State to what Aang had…with all the past lives she should be able to access? Aang is going to have his work cut out for him in the Avatar State.
    Then there’s metal bending, which while I wouldn’t call her an out and out master of yet still gives her an ability that she can use to her advantage.
    I’d say in a really, really nasty and close fight Korra edges out Aang for the win…maybe not as close if kaiju Korra is in play

  4. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 8:10 am -      #4

    Also I think Korra’s explosion feat might give her slightly better speed/reactions than Aang but I don’t remember if Aang ever had a really good calc.

  5. mack006 September 8, 2014 at 8:16 am -      #5

    A cosmic jellyfish vs an avatar and the overlord of Mordor.

    I’ll go with the jellyfish.

  6. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 8:19 am -      #6

    an Avatar and a Cosmic Jellyfish vs an Avatar and the Overlord of Mordor

    I wonder if Korra’s spirit healing trick would affect Sauron as an offensive light purges evil type thing.

  7. Ranger Lowk September 8, 2014 at 8:23 am -      #7

    RAWR KORRA ANGRY! KORRA SMASH PUNY AVATAR!
    31.media.tumblr.com/afe7fb8fe7569881c61e8d32f42f126e/tumblr_nas1s9fKTE1rbuuddo2_250.gif

  8. Commander Cross September 8, 2014 at 8:28 am -      #8

    @Guys and Ghouls with the latest news on Korra

    I take pride and pleasure to know that this may affect a lot of Korra’s earlier fights to say the least.

    Though Future Fights wind up trickier no questions asked.

    I know that Aang’s generally more mobile than Korra is unless I got outdated info, as of Legend of Korra Book 03, but gut hunch says Korra’s getting more on par with Aang in terms of mobility lately.

    It just means that whenever/if I ever return to some of Korra’s earlier fights, I’ll have something definite to Look Forward to, really. ^.^

  9. Ranger Lowk September 8, 2014 at 8:28 am -      #9

    “Also I think Korra’s explosion feat might give her slightly better speed/reactions than Aang but I don’t remember if Aang ever had a really good calc.”

    They both air bent away an explosion at pretty much point blank.
    ===
    “I take pride and pleasure to know that this may affect a lot of Korra’s earlier fights to say the least.”

    If your talking about the ending of the last season. We would be taking her either before or after she recovered, or battle ready.

  10. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 8:29 am -      #10

    Yeah that..seriously Pissed Avatar State Korra vs Pissed Avatar State Aang…full past life access for Korra..that shit is going to be brutal..but she just seemed so much harder hitting in that I think she’ll be laying down a lot more power than Aang which could give her the win.

    No Avatar State..well that’s just mean cause Korra can taunt Adult Aang about what a shitty father he was which will mess him up psychologically…future knowledge..it’s a bitch.

  11. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 8:31 am -      #11

    @Lowk
    Was it the combustion bending thing with Aang though? Cause while it was impressive I feel like that was as it was a bit before the explosion actually went off where Korra’s was definitely post but I honestly can’t remember for sure.

  12. Ranger Lowk September 8, 2014 at 8:35 am -      #12

    @Jake
    It was at the point that it was exploding though. And we’ve seen how fast that happens once it goes in every other instance.

  13. Parry Boy September 8, 2014 at 8:36 am -      #13

    Space… Jellyfish?

    Well, for the most part, the thing that Aang has an advantage on Korra is experience. Lots of them.

  14. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 8:42 am -      #14

    It says strongest abilities though so wouldn’t that mean this is Korra with all her past lives?

    @Lowk
    then they are even in speed probably.

  15. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 9:35 am -      #15

    img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120417013454/lotr/images/4/40/Pelennor_Fields.jpg
    So that’s the battlefield their on, there’s a river which will allow for water-bending.
    Looking at both of them, I’d say Korra is the better fire-bender and water-bender without a doubt, and arguably better with Earth (going purely on the feats we have for Aang with all the bending styles, sadly we don’t know just how capable adult Aang was with the elements)
    Head to Head I’d say Aang’s only definitive element with an edge in mastery is airbending, and mostly because Korra has only had her airbending for I think six months in universe?

    And I’d also suggest Aang not get close to her…because if she gets physical she will wreck Aang Korra is massively physically stronger than Aang reaching comic book peak human levels arguably considering she was tossing grown men around as I recall.

    She also has mastery of Pro-Bending styles, which are elemental combat styles Aang has no experience with for those three elements, it’s not much of an edge but it is something she has that Aang doesn’t.

    Still the fight will be close between them, and as much as I love Aang I feel Korra’s got enough to tip the scale in her favor.

    Plus like I said if Kaiju Energy Korra is in play Aang is just straight screwed

  16. Friendlysociopath September 8, 2014 at 10:09 am -      #16

    So, looked up Ulyaoth

    eternaldarkness.wikia.com/wiki/Ulyaoth

    Seems he specializes in having water-based creatures and using magic to damage his opponents.

    A fun trick he seems to specialize in is using his attacks and creatures to damage your ‘magic’ itself. No real clue how magic works for that game though.

  17. Mea quidem sententia September 8, 2014 at 11:43 am -      #17

    I own Eternal Darkness. I’ve played through all of the different scenarios for each Lovecraftian entity. Ulyaoth is capable of draining magic from his opponents. I say this because his followers are capable of doing this.

    In the battle against Chattur’gha, Ulyoath creates portals and kills Chattur’gha by removing his chelae and eventually has him sent away in some unknown area.

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=CxqjJldw1iI

  18. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 12:19 pm -      #18

    So JellyFish Cthulhu can eat Sauron?

  19. Rookie September 8, 2014 at 12:25 pm -      #19

    Thanks Admin!

    Can’t post much right now so, sorry, I’l try to make it fast.

    @Parry Boy
    “Space… Jellyfish?”

    One of the most awesomes villains too. He is one of the three possible villains in the game ED. At the begining of the game you control legate, who finds ancient shrine. Depending on your choice you will either have as main bad guy Xel’lotath (easy mode), Chattur’gha (normal mode) or Ulyoath (hard mode). A lot of cutscenes and all enemies in the game will also change depending on who you will choose.

    @Jake_Uzumaki
    “So JellyFish Cthulhu can eat Sauron?”

    This is what we must find out. But he isn’t really big, you can see him in cutscenes next to Pious (legate and lich), he is about the size of the building IMO.

    A bit about his powers.

    Precog:
    From 1:37:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=29gsGjwgNaQ

    Ulyoath’s death at the hands of Xel’lotath, the insanity queen:



    Can detect magic:
    From 1:23:



    Ulyoath vs Chattur’gha:

  20. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 12:29 pm -      #20

    @Rookie
    can you specify on if Korra has access to her past lives or not?
    Also does allowed to use all abilities mean she’s in giant spirit Korra mode?

  21. Rookie September 8, 2014 at 12:33 pm -      #21

    @Jake_Uzumaki

    “can you specify on if Korra has access to her past lives or not?”

    Aang have access to it, right? Korra can have it too.

    “Also does allowed to use all abilities mean she’s in giant spirit Korra mode?”

    It’s been a while, but I thought that she lost this ability?
    For now no, she can’t have it.

  22. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 12:48 pm -      #22

    She has the Avatar State but current incarnation lost her past lives, that’s why I was asking if you meant by most powerful abilities she had the past lives.

    I don’t know if she lost it or not I’m really not sure what that ability was.

  23. Rookie September 8, 2014 at 12:55 pm -      #23

    @Jake_Uzumaki

    “She has the Avatar State but current incarnation lost her past lives, that’s why I was asking if you meant by most powerful abilities she had the past lives.”

    What will be more fair here, to give Korra access to her past lives or not?

    “I don’t know if she lost it or not I’m really not sure what that ability was.”

    I thought that this was more one-time use ability.
    Either way in this match I have in mind avatar state for both avatars. But I totally forgot about Korra’s giant spirit form. I think it would be unfair to give her this power.

    Also comics feats for Aang allowed too. AFAIK they are canon, but I never read any comics about Avatar though.

  24. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 12:59 pm -      #24

    I think both with all the past lives would be more fair but I’m not sure. I’ll let others weigh in if anyone has an opinion on it.

  25. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 8, 2014 at 2:50 pm -      #25

    I think GSK was the result of her directly tapping the power of the universe in lieu of Raava’s light energy.

    With Raava I don’t know if she loses access to the Universe juice, or just wouldn’t bother.

  26. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 3:27 pm -      #26

    @Glutinous
    what do you think on the should Korra be allowed the past lives thing?

  27. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 8, 2014 at 3:35 pm -      #27

    Not sure. The past lives are a tricky question of are they outside help if they’re literally part of the character’s personality?

    I’m not sure. She’s arguably at her strongest after losing the incarnations.

  28. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 3:45 pm -      #28

    Really? I figured the extra power boost would be needed to make it fair.

    In that case do you think she’d overpower Aang in a head to head confrontation?

  29. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 8, 2014 at 3:58 pm -      #29

    I didn’t realize that the past lives necessarily made the avatars stronger. If that is the case, then it would make sense to have them for both.

  30. Tsubodai September 8, 2014 at 4:11 pm -      #30

    I’m sorry but… how are the two avatars even relevant? Sauron is described as the “mightiest of the maiar” on multiple occasions – and maiar are basically lesser gods. In fact, at sauron’s peak shortly after foraging the ring, it would be impossible to really destroy him on the battlefield – you might reduce him, but he could rally his power and come back as his ring corrupted the mind of whoever defeated him.

    As for Ulyaoth, i don’t know enough about his powers to say how he stacks up. Still, my question about the avatars stands. How are they relevant? Are they somehow far stronger than I have any concept of?

  31. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 4:14 pm -      #31

    Well they get a physical strength and speed boost but perhaps that’s only Raava that does that part?
    If that is the case Korra would still get the physical boost but she wouldn’t have the experiences which would mean Avatar State Korra vs Avatar State Aang would have them equal speed but Korra stronger than Aang (since she’s already quite a bit stronger than him in their base forms)
    So guess it doesn’t matter either way then.

    What do you think on my assesment earlier
    Korra being better with Water and Fire
    Earth being arguable
    and Aang being better with Air?

  32. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 4:16 pm -      #32

    @Tsubodai
    Because the other two are boring eldritch abominations with little real interesting debate to be had.
    That said Aang and Korra are both powered by an Eldritch being of Light so..

  33. Tsubodai September 8, 2014 at 4:20 pm -      #33

    @Jake_Uzumaki:

    Fair enough – just let’s not declare a winner based on the outcome of two insects fighting while ignoring the war of titans.

  34. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 4:32 pm -      #34

    Well since the JellyFish Cthulhu eats magic and Sauron uses magic that one seems cut and dry JellyFish Cthulhu eats Sauron’s powers.

  35. Friendlysociopath September 8, 2014 at 4:37 pm -      #35

    “I’m sorry but… how are the two avatars even relevant?”

    Sauron lost all of his power due to the ring being removed from him via a simple cut- not the hardest of tasks, particularly since the Avatar characters are miles ahead of what regular people in Middle Earth can do.

    Personally, after some insight into what Ulyaoth is capable of, I have to say Team 1 stomps, hard. Maiar have precious few feats to prove their power by, and almost nothing to prevent the BFR that Ulyaoth can casually toss out.

    Put another way, I’m fairly confident Sauron is the weakest link of the match. Either of the Avatars could likely defeat him in battle, and Ulyaoth can BFR anyone who can’t blitz him.

  36. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 4:41 pm -      #36

    Which is why I’m sad that the interesting Korra vs Aang debate had to be swept up in a debate about a JellyFish Cthulhu with only a few feats and a lot of lore and a Fallen-Angel Wizard with few feats and a lot of lore

  37. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 8, 2014 at 4:53 pm -      #37

    I’m intrigued by what was brought up about the spirit purifier technique.

    Unalaq was good enough at Spirit power that he could erase souls from the universe. Korra isn’t as talented as he was in that specific field, but maaaaybe with the raw power of the Avatar State she could have an effect on Sauron, since he’s essentially a corrupted spirit, albeit vastly powerful.

  38. Friendlysociopath September 8, 2014 at 4:57 pm -      #38

    @Jake
    Well the Jellyfish Cthulhu is blatantly OP with his canon ability to portal pieces of other ancients away, it’s a Lovecraft creature, it exists to destroy any hope of victory.
    There’s a board game based on Lovecraft’s world, the name eludes me at the moment- but the game is HARD; monsters WILL hurt you, (remove to hospital) you WILL be stuck in other dimensions and odds are you WILL face an Ancient and it WILL fuck you up.

    I rather prefer people discuss Aang and Korra myself, the few feats Ulyaoth has going for him makes him pretty much immune to anything but speed blitz or immunity to magic- and I don’t even know if blitzing him even works. I believe he dies from being shot, so he isn’t immune to physical damage. The best bet for Team 2 is Aang attempts to blitz-kill Ulyaoth while Sauron distracts Korra; Sauron might even be able to hold his own if she doesn’t know to go straight for the ring.

    Just a brief listing of the One Ring’s powers:
    Mind domination
    Mind-reading (Alluded to, not sure)
    Foresight
    Invisibility- although in direct sunlight a faint outline can be seen
    Aura of power/fear
    Increase of innate abilities
    Resistance to aging (not applicable)

  39. Friendlysociopath September 8, 2014 at 5:27 pm -      #39

    I take back the shot bit, the wiki says Xel makes him shoot himself in the head, I took it the wrong way.

    Additional question, where in Pelennor Fields? That’s a big place, and the battlefield is integral to the Avatar battle.

  40. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 5:35 pm -      #40

    If they both go Avatar State the entire place will be used, trust me.
    The better question is are the armies there, is just all the war machines and stuff but no living things there..etc.
    Because Korra would be more than happy to send giant metal battering rams into Aangs face.

    @Glutinous
    Well she did it to UnaVaatu, so in theory she could with Sauron..I think, but that’s the tricky part of that question isn’t it.

  41. Friendlysociopath September 8, 2014 at 6:27 pm -      #41

    I would rather hope the armies aren’t there, remember that the one *belongs* to Sauron.

    Although that would make the battle interesting as hell. That might be a fun idea, take famous fictional large-scale battles and switch out the heroes and villains.

  42. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 6:42 pm -      #42

    Sauron’s army would be a bit less than Fodder when two fully realized Avatar’s start smacking down.
    They can throw entire rivers/lakes/tidal waves, small-medium mesa’s/rock spires, cause small-medium scale earthquakes, throw massive infernos and tornadoes at people. And Korra can metal bend…and Sauron’s army wears metal…she could literally throw large swaths of the army at Aang lol.

    And there’s been force swap ideas like that on here before I think…

  43. Alpha or Omega September 8, 2014 at 6:45 pm -      #43

    @Rookie
    “This is what we must find out. But he isn’t really big, you can see him in cutscenes next to Pious (legate and lich), he is about the size of the building IMO.”
    /
    Except we never really see him actually next to Pious. The only interactions we see between Pious and that’s through like some kind of weird portal messaging like he does with the other ancients.
    Never mind that he has planet-like orbs spinning around him.
    /
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=s34MwpO4Hzk#t=47
    “And I have learned much. All at once, I understood. The forces of the multiverse made sense, under the transcending life form of Ulyaoth.”-Pious
    So, here, Ulyaoth has the power of the multiverse.
    /
    This is further supported by the fact that the Veil of Ulyaoth says he’s the “Master of the Plains,” so he exists in many universes just like his essence.
    Also, the same Veil says that he fades from dimension to dimension, “never really existing but never really not.”
    /
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB33TFDfdGA
    This also supports that Ulyaoth is also multiversal since the universe of Eternal Darkness has many possibilities/timestreams and Mantarok makes the ancients take them selves out in their mutual anihilation by them killing each other all at once separate and simultaneously.
    /
    Other than that, you guys covered his powers over dimensions and magic.

  44. Friendlysociopath September 8, 2014 at 6:57 pm -      #44

    “Sauron’s army would be a bit less than Fodder when two fully realized Avatar’s start smacking down.”

    I was thinking more about the Ring Wraiths and the Witch King- they all spread a sort of dread and fear which may or may not work on Korra. Gandalf was pretty much the only immune person in the entire city, nobody else was shaking it off.

    Also, I don’t really think the Minas Tirith army would look kindly on them either, that’s two armies of cannon fodder going against Team 1, that’s a lot of stuff getting in the way of them fighting Team 2.

  45. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 7:16 pm -      #45

    Yeah remember the whole…Eowyn killing Witch King thing…imagine if Eowyn could shoot light chi enhanced water spears into the Witch Kings face. Or just burned him…
    Or crushed him…
    or a combination.
    Basically Witch King does not want an out for blood Korra after him

    Keep in mind she had a heavy heavy dose of Mercury Poisoning during that fight. She does not have said Mercury Poisoning slowing her down and weakening her here.

    And Minis Tirith would likely see Korra slaughtering Mordor and be all over helping her because…she’d be tearing through them like tissue paper as a consequence of fighting Aang. If she was actually focusing on the army…remember when the Ents flooded Eisengard? Korra can use the nearby River to do that to Pellenor fields.

  46. the watcher September 8, 2014 at 7:30 pm -      #46

    Eowyn only killed the Witch King because the hobbit stabbed him with a barrow blade that lifted his invulnerability. Without it, she would have been torn to shreds while unable to harm him.

    I’d say that Sauron stands a pretty decent chance against the space jellyfish, assuming he’s allowed to exist as his pure maia form. That thing would be non physical, and I don’t think he’s ever been much of a magic user in combat, only in his making things.

    Ainu, during the the Ainulindale section of the Silmarillion, have been able to exist outside the universe, and travel through the void. Granted, it was Melkor doing it, not Sauron, but it said that Melkor decided to wander, and gave no implication that it was only his power to do so, it was just that he was the only one snooping. If Sauron can do this, then he should be able to hunt Ulyaoth throughout the multiverse, and escape from parallel dimensions. Or not, LOTR didn’t go into if there’s more than one version of Ea.

    Also, did Sauron have any Balrogs left over from Morgoth’s time? If so, they could kill Korra if she messed with them.

  47. Friendlysociopath September 8, 2014 at 7:58 pm -      #47

    “Yeah remember the whole…Eowyn killing Witch King thing…imagine if Eowyn could shoot light chi enhanced water spears into the Witch Kings face. Or just burned him…
    Or crushed him…
    or a combination.”

    Imagine if Korra didn’t have immunity to the fear they have, and be paralyzed to act, besides the point, it’s safer to go with no armies as that’s just full of extra variables- unless everyone wants to go that route?

    “And Minis Tirith would likely see Korra slaughtering Mordor and be all over helping her because…she’d be tearing through them like tissue paper as a consequence of fighting Aang.”

    And the giant jellyfish? I don’t know if Gandalf would go Lawful Good “Smite the evil” on it or go with “Well, it’s helping, guess we won’t attack it”.

    “Also, did Sauron have any Balrogs left over from Morgoth’s time? If so, they could kill Korra if she messed with them.”

    No, they’re all gone.

  48. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 8:22 pm -      #48

    Pretty sure Avatar State would trump the fear aura since it channels the power of the embodiment of Light and Hope and such.

    Kill Sauron now deal with the Jelly Fish Later probably…lesser of two evils/enemy of my enemy all that.

    But agreed armies would just overcomplicate likely.

  49. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 8, 2014 at 8:30 pm -      #49

    I’m still partial to the Spiritual Purifier move being able to affect Sauron.

  50. Ranger Lowk September 8, 2014 at 8:36 pm -      #50

    “Pretty sure Avatar State would trump the fear aura since it channels the power of the embodiment of Light and Hope and such.”

    Avatar State does seem sort of like a self defense mechanism. Korra’s fear induced hallucination pretty much turned her into the hulk when her Avatar State got activated.
    Fear and Anger don’t seem like what you want to cause an Avatar to feel if you want an adverse reaction from them.

  51. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 8, 2014 at 8:43 pm -      #51

    You also see it when Aang loses it upon seeing his mentor’s skeleton, when Katara was threatened by the earth kingdom general, when Appa was abducted by sand benders, etc.

    Apart from the conscious activation, it does appear very much like a reflexive mechanism. Zaheer more or less outright says as much when he explains the metallic poison would force her into the avatar state.

  52. the watcher September 8, 2014 at 8:50 pm -      #52

    @FS
    There where 7 balrogs according to a letter from Tolkien, and a thousand if we go by the time when morgoth needed to be bailed out. We have the one killed by Gandalf, the one that elf with a name starting with an E killed, balrog was Gothmog. And the one Glorfindel killed. That leaves four left over, I just don’t know if they’d see Sauron as a commanding officer or not.

    @jake
    Sauron would wreck Korra.

  53. sadot06 September 8, 2014 at 8:54 pm -      #53

    Grown Up Aang vs blood bender: www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFv4PEkBzYA

  54. Commander Cross September 8, 2014 at 8:56 pm -      #54

    Aang seems to have far fewer scenes in numbers than Korra does as far as I recall, I doubt it’s from gender-based differences and I also doubt my own recollections.*

    To Korra’s noting, we have more numerous scenes of her getting Actual Outrage than we do with Aang, and I can’t remember why either. ;_;

    1.) (At least as far as the Main Show itself that presents Aang’s time’s concerned, sadly speaking. :( )

  55. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 9:20 pm -      #55

    @Watcher
    So you say but but many of his feats aren’t that different from Vaatu’s, corrupting lesser beings to his side and manifesting all his power into a form that while more powerful in one way has a glaring weakness the protagonists take advantage of to put him away seemingly forever (Unaalaq and the One Ring respectively)
    And that was when Sauron was at his most powerful, Korra isn’t any weaker than Wan when he defeated Vaatu.
    What I read described powers that could be low level matter manipulation, or low level reality warping but doesn’t describe to what extent. So it seems like while it’s arguable how much if at all more powerful than Vaatu Sauron is, he isn’t going to be stomping a fully realized Avatar that actually has a technique specifically designed for things like him.

  56. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 9:24 pm -      #56

    @Glutinous
    it is a defense mechanism (Roku described it as such to Aang) but only if the Avatar is thrown into danger, otherwise it’s a way to draw on the full power of Raava either for extended periods or short bursts.

  57. OberHerr September 8, 2014 at 10:01 pm -      #57

    Just a little not on Avatar State for Aang, when he’s in it, all previous avatar feats are his. It allows him to tap into each and every one of their bits of knowledge and ability. And I’ve always considered Avatar State to not be outside help, because they are just reincarnations of one another technically.

    And I haven’t kept up with Korra, so try not to mention key plot points after seasons one, but I’d think that gives him he edge over Korra.

  58. OberHerr September 8, 2014 at 10:10 pm -      #58

    *just a little info

    I have no idea how I came up with not.

  59. Ranger Lowk September 8, 2014 at 10:28 pm -      #59

    “Just a little info on Avatar State for Aang, when he’s in it, all previous avatar feats are his.”

    That was true for all Avatars. At least until Vaatu fucked things up.
    Depending on what point we are taking Korra from she would either have or not have advanced knowledge on Aang by going Avatar State as well as all Avatar before him.

  60. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 10:30 pm -      #60

    Well Korra..would have had those same experiences in addition to Aangs but..plot happened.
    That said there are things she’s faced that Aang hasn’t and skills she has that Aang doesn’t.
    Light spoilers but:
    Korra was able to break free of bloodbending without the Avatar State which Aang was unable to do (need to actually find the feat though)
    Korra faced down the Dark Avatar, a being who like the Avatar is a human merged with a powerful spirit.
    Korra knows techniques to calm spirits which while not useful on Aang is still a technique she has he doesn’t.
    Korra is the first Avatar to get Metal Bending, said by the daughter of Toph Bei Fong a person who would know if Aang had learned Metal Bending or not.
    Unlike anyone else Aang fought during his series Korra actually knows how to fight like an Airbender and has experience with fighting Airbenders including someone with true flight, something that only Zaheer and another person accomplished (hint it’s not Aang as the technique requires no wordly attachments such as Katara)
    We know for a fact Korra has fully mastered Fire and Earth, which is slightly up in the air with Aang who at the final episode was stated as still needing work on Fire and Earth, while he likely did improve in them we don’t know to what degree he did. And while Aang mastered Water, that’s Korra’s native element, I wouldn’t bet against Korra if this was a pure Water Bending battle.
    Korra knows a lot about the kind of person Aang was and his desires, she knows what his family like was like, the rocky and neglectful relationship he had with two of his children, and other facts about Aangs life that give her the ability to get into Aangs head. Aang contrarily knows nothing of Korra.
    Korra knows how to use Pro-Bending Firebending Pro-Bending Earthbending and Pro-Bending Waterbending all of which are fighting styles Aang doesn’t know or recognize.
    Korra is also far more capable in close quarters combat than Aang and far more physically powerful than him.

    Aang does have experience yes, but he’s still a defensive fighter who for most of his life hasn’t fought anyone who has actually trained with or fought with an Airbender, Korra knows how Airbenders fight an edge she holds over people like Ozai who actually had Aang on the ropes a couple of times.

    Not to say it’s a stomp but Korra can’t be counted out purely due to the loss of past lives, she has many experiences, knowledge, and a couple of skills that Aang doesn’t.

  61. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 10:32 pm -      #61

    @Lowk
    Well she has knowledge on Aang no matter what from hearing about him and from talking to people about him, she sort of got stuck in his shadow for a while there and all.

  62. Jake_Uzumaki September 8, 2014 at 11:07 pm -      #62

    During the attack on the Pro-Bending championships Korra showed the ability to propel herself with a water spout without the Avatar State, and shows a mixture of offensive bending and close quarters combat to take down the Lieutenant.



    Resisting the most powerful Bloodbender in the Avatar World without using the Avatar State made doubly impressive considering Amon surpassed even his father.

  63. OriginalA September 9, 2014 at 12:07 am -      #63

    I would like to point out that one of the main differences between the Avatar series during Aang’s run versus Korra’s run, is the type of enemies they face.

    Aang typically had trouble with his enemies because they were physical threats. Korra typically has trouble with her enemies because they are ideological threats. By the end of Aang’s run though, his ultimate problem isn’t a physical one; it was his own attitude to fighting. Aang made a choice not to kill Ozai and that choice severely handicapped him for most of his fight. Indeed he even had the chance to kill Ozai early in the fight when he was redirecting lightning; he aimed at Ozai and then purposefully aimed away. It wasn’t until he regained the Avatar State, and also began fighting to kill, that he immediately turned it into a curbstomp.

    As a thought expirement, try imagining how each of them would do against each other’s antagonists. Zuko would be dead. Azula might be dead. Ozai would be dead for sure. Amon would not have a political leg to stand on because Aang would stand against any oppresion by either bender or nonbender and without that political group Amon’s power falls apart (Aang has already demonstrated he can easily handle the kind of physical threat Amon poses). The entire Water Tribe civil war would be called off before it happens and with that harmonic convergence would be thrown out of wack. And Zaheer and the Red Lotus… They might actually win. Anyways…

    In Korra’s fight vs Zaheer, she throws around a couple of Earthbending attacks that are on par with Aang’s during his fight with Ozai, but at that time Korra is drawing on the Avatar State’s power boost while Aang is not (I’m referring to his opening attacks) and Aang does these attack more often as well. Korra’s waterbending attacks can reach an impressive range, but Aang can reach the same range if not greater while in the Avatar State. Any air techniques Korra knows are originating from Aang and Aang has his arrow tatoos while Korra does not; he’s the mater there. And one of Aang’s greatest waterbending feats is actually after he dismisses the Avatar State after he defeated Ozai, when Aang floods the entire area that they were fighting over and the area where Ozai’s fleet was grounded at, with several dozen feet of water. The sheer weight of volume that that scale of control implies is beyond any of Korra’s feats.

    While I acknowledge the fact that Korra was poisoned during her fight with Zaheer (really that’s the only reason why she didn’t completely obliterate him once she entered the Avatar State since he did very little real damage to her during their fight; he won by simply surviving), the fact remains that her demonstrated feats just don’t add up to the same scale that Aang is able to pull off. The sole exception being her Firebending. She’s better at firebending than Aang is. The only firebending feats that Aang have that are better than hers are during the final fight, but he is getting a power boost because of the comet so those get discarded. Aang’s a better air, earth, and water bender than her though. Air is simple enough; everything she knows about Airbending came from him either directly or indirectly. Waterbending, he just has the feats that put him at a greater range and a larger scale than her. Earthbending is much closer, but Aang has that whole vibration sense that Toph has while Korra doesn’t. … or at least I don’t recall Korra ever using it. … then again, she is a Metal Bender now, so that counts for something. She might be able to get some good hits in with that.

    Another thing is that Korra is a much less balanced character. She’s more of a brute. I would think that this because of this Aang would win in an Energybending duel.

    Personally I think Aang is just too powerful. Then again, I think pretty much the entire cast during Aang’s run (both good guys and villains) are generally pound for pound more dangerous and more powerful than Korra’s cast because of the war that was going on (with a few exceptions).

  64. Namer September 9, 2014 at 1:51 am -      #64

    Sauron doesn’t need to rely on his magic at all. Off the top of my head, Sauron can shapeshift and no-sell lightning, He survived the War of Wrath and the Downfall of Numenor, despite being at the center of both.
    .
    In the movies, he casually sends multiple people flying meters into the air with singular swings. As the heavily weakened Necromancer, he disintegrates huge blocks of stone. Might post more when I get home.

  65. Mr. happy September 9, 2014 at 5:54 am -      #65

    ‘In the movies, he casually sends multiple people flying meters into the air with singular swings. As the heavily weakened Necromancer, he disintegrates huge blocks of stone. Might post more when I get home.’

    He wasn’t casually swinging people. He was swinging Numenoreans who were taller, heavier and stronger than normal people and that Elendil was supposed to be 7′ 11”. That makes Sauron really tall.

  66. Epicazeroth September 9, 2014 at 3:15 pm -      #66

    @Jake: “Well since the JellyFish Cthulhu eats magic and Sauron uses magic that one seems cut and dry JellyFish Cthulhu eats Sauron’s powers.”
    Technically it’s not “magic”. Not in the commonly understood sense. It’s reality-warping; there’s no well of power or anything that can be drained.
    ===
    @Friendly: “Sauron lost all of his power due to the ring being removed from him via a simple cut”
    Except it says strongest for everybody. So Sauron wouldn’t need the Ring; his strongest is 2nd-Age Sauron. Unless I’m mistaken. Sauron can’t use his strongest feats if he’s not in his strongest incarnation, so could someone clarify if it’s 2nd, or 3rd Age Sauron? Or if it’s been clarified, can you tell me where?
    ===
    @watcher: “Or not, LOTR didn’t go into if there’s more than one version of Ea.”
    I don’t believe there are. However, there is mention of multiple planets. It says some other Ainur went to other realms or something, though.
    ===
    @Namer: “no-sell lightning”
    When was this?

    “He survived the War of Wrath and the Downfall of Numenor”
    Probably needs some context.
    1) The War of Wrath was continent-shattering. See here: img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130424123557/lotr/images/c/c0/Combomap.jpg
    2) The Downfall was caused by God (I’m pretty sure WoG says Eru was the Abrahamic God). It sank Numenor (hence the name), destroyed and created continents, and moved a continent and ocean to another dimension(?).
    ===
    @Mr. happy: Numenoreans aren’t just stronger than Men. They use steel longbows, which were quoted (admittedly, in a source of dubious canonicity) as having ranges of 2 leagues.

  67. Numinous One September 9, 2014 at 5:58 pm -      #67

    “Sauron can’t use his strongest feats if he’s not in his strongest incarnation, so could someone clarify if it’s 2nd, or 3rd Age Sauron? Or if it’s been clarified, can you tell me where?”

    It hasn’t exactly been clarified, but there was a discussion on whether or not Korra has access to the past lives of the avatars, which isn’t current incarnation to my knowledge, with access to current incarnation feats?
    I’m a little behind on LoK, but if that’s allowed for giving access to strongest abilities, it’s probably safe to say, given Sauron’s strongest was the 2nd Age, then the shapeshifting, invisible, ethereal, mind raping Maiar is in play.

  68. Alpha or Omega September 9, 2014 at 6:09 pm -      #68

    Okay, are we debating just Korra vs Aang. Or, Korra vs Sauron?
    I’m confused here.
    /
    @OriginalA
    Jenifer Hale voices Xel’lotath. The ancient over mind and insanity. The same one that killed Ulyaoth in one universe. Thought that would interest you. She also voices Alexander Rovias in the same game.

  69. Rookie September 9, 2014 at 6:17 pm -      #69

    @Numinous One

    “I’m a little behind on LoK, but if that’s allowed for giving access to strongest abilities, it’s probably safe to say, given Sauron’s strongest was the 2nd Age, then the shapeshifting, invisible, ethereal, mind raping Maiar is in play.”

    If he was at his strongest back then, then sure thing he can use it, why not. I just though that his strongest for was the one with Ring.

    @Alpha or Omega

    “Except we never really see him actually next to Pious. The only interactions we see between Pious and that’s through like some kind of weird portal messaging like he does with the other ancients.”

    I thought that we can see his true size in “mirror”…
    We seen Mantorok in game and he isn’t really big. All other Ancients are more or less the same size, so why should they be much bigger than Mantorok? Could be wrong of course, but I doubt that Ulyaoth is really huge in size.

  70. Alpha or Omega September 9, 2014 at 6:49 pm -      #70

    “I thought that we can see his true size in “mirror”…”
    /
    I wouldn’t exactly call that thing a mirror.
    It’s kinda like a phone that uses a portal messaging.
    /
    “We seen Mantorok in game and he isn’t really big.”
    /
    In one of his forms. The temple he resides in suggests that he has multiple forms.
    /
    “All other Ancients are more or less the same size, so why should they be much bigger than Mantorok?”
    /
    Mantorok can change his form and was resides in his temple, I don’t think he would fit if he was as big as the others.
    /
    “Could be wrong of course, but I doubt that Ulyaoth is really huge in size.”
    /
    He has planets orbiting around his head…

  71. Friendlysociopath September 9, 2014 at 7:17 pm -      #71

    “He has planets orbiting around his head…”

    You’re going to have to give a bit of proof that those are planets.

  72. Alpha or Omega September 9, 2014 at 8:13 pm -      #72

    “You’re going to have to give a bit of proof that those are planets.”
    /
    Aside from looking like planets, they have an orbiting pattern like other planets do and they revolve around a larger body.

  73. the watcher September 9, 2014 at 8:39 pm -      #73

    @jake
    How would Sauron lose to Korra. I know it’s not the main debate, but I’m curious. He wouldn’t be affected by fire bending in the slightest, as he burned the elf Gil Galad to death by touching him, so he emits a lot of heat. He had a continent dropped on his head by God, and though he lost his good looks then, not much else was taken. Around the same time, and I think it was put this way by a member of this site, “Sauron was doing the equivalent of standing on the Sistine Chapel giving God the middle finger while having lightning shot at him” and this isn’t too far from the truth. He was struck a few times, and then the land sank. He doesn’t need to be solid to fight, and can shapeshift to suit his combat needs, while messing with the minds of those near him. And he can swing a pointy stick hard enough to send large groups of very large men flying back several feet. I just don’t see Korra being able to hit him hard enough to hurt him at all. Exact quotes will be here later. I don’t have a digital Silmarillion, and I don’t wanna search through my real one too much.

    And those things on space jellyfish do not look like planets to me.

  74. Alpha or Omega September 9, 2014 at 9:26 pm -      #74

    img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091129142755/eternaldarkness/images/f/f7/Ulyaoth.png
    Really? They look like planets.

  75. Numinous One September 9, 2014 at 9:42 pm -      #75

    They look the same as whatever its upper body is made of, that clear/opaque-y looking part.
    Orbital jelly balls.

    Also it could be magic or whatever spacejelly has going for it, it seems more consistant with the setting as opposed to it being so rediculously large it has a gravitational field that causes planets to orbit it.

  76. Alpha or Omega September 9, 2014 at 10:08 pm -      #76

    “They look the same as whatever its upper body is made of, that clear/opaque-y looking part.
    Orbital jelly balls.”
    /
    It doesn’t look clear and has two colors than the same opaque color that its upper body has.
    /
    “Also it could be magic or whatever spacejelly has going for it, it seems more consistant with the setting as opposed to it being so rediculously large it has a gravitational field that causes planets to orbit it.”
    /
    Then it would still be a great feat since his magic can pull planets if it’s not a gravitational field.

  77. Friendlysociopath September 9, 2014 at 10:25 pm -      #77

    “Then it would still be a great feat since his magic can pull planets if it’s not a gravitational field.”

    Except you have no proof those things are planets other than they look like planets to you.
    They sure as hell don’t look like planets to me.

  78. Alpha or Omega September 9, 2014 at 10:47 pm -      #78

    “Except you have no proof those things are planets other than they look like planets to you.
    They sure as hell don’t look like planets to me.”
    /
    So why do they not look like planets to you? They are spheres, and they have a rocky-like look on them.
    Aside from looking like they’re planets, they orbit around Ulyaoth. That’s the other proof I gave too.

  79. OriginalA September 9, 2014 at 11:46 pm -      #79

    @AoO:
    “Jenifer Hale voices Xel’lotath. The ancient over mind and insanity. The same one that killed Ulyaoth in one universe. Thought that would interest you. She also voices Alexander Rovias in the same game.”

    I knew that already, and that’s why Xel’lotath is the sexy one of the abominations.

    @the watcher:
    I think Korra’s ability to calm spirits with water bending (one of the abilities she gained in season 2) would probably have an effect on Sauron. If I recall correctly Sauron is all made up of evil and negative emotions and it is from those that he draws power, while her ability that calms spirits does so by removing those negative emotions from the spirits. … At least that is how I think it worked. I could be wrong. I don’t think that Korra is a significant physical threat to Sauron, but she might be able to at least divert his attention by attacking him with conventional attacks should she need to distract him from Ulyaoth.

  80. Numinous One September 10, 2014 at 12:05 am -      #80

    “So why do they not look like planets to you? They are spheres, and they have a rocky-like look on them.
    Aside from looking like they’re planets, they orbit around Ulyaoth. That’s the other proof I gave too.”

    They look to me like a clear substance reflecting that light from behind them, thus giving off an opaque shine, each one has it if you look closely. His servents also tend to be water based and have gel-like substances on them.

    If I recall right, movement generates magick in eternal darkness and with those constantly in motion it would generate the vast reserves of magick Ulyaoth possesses, but for that to work they would need to be a part of Ulyaoth.
    Even the wiki implies that line of reasoning.

    We need actual proof of its size, scenes from the game where Ulyaoth appears. Until then it could be a galactic jellyfish or a thumb size jellyfish.

    “If I recall correctly Sauron is all made up of evil and negative emotions and it is from those that he draws power, while her ability that calms spirits does so by removing those negative emotions from the spirits.”

    Not so much, all of the Ainur possess inate power, to differing degrees.
    To be fair, Sauron only went evil to start with because he desired order, when the Valar and Melkor were clashing in the beginning, Melkor was winning and looked to be the quickest route to ending conflict and restoring order.
    But then it all sorta went downhill real quick.

  81. OriginalA September 10, 2014 at 12:53 am -      #81

    “Not so much, all of the Ainur possess inate power, to differing degrees.
    To be fair, Sauron only went evil to start with because he desired order, when the Valar and Melkor were clashing in the beginning, Melkor was winning and looked to be the quickest route to ending conflict and restoring order.
    But then it all sorta went downhill real quick.”

    I don’t recall much from Silmarilian. I was kinda going by my own deduction from an observation of two facts: 1) Sauron poured his malice, cruelty, and will to dominate into The One Ring, and 2) after that time Sauron was severely depowered when the Ring was removed from him because the Ring held the majority of his power. From those two things I concluded that malice and cruelty empowered him significantly and that if Korra could remove that (again, kinda going by memory so I could be wrong on how her spirit healing thing worked) then Sauron would be depowered by a noticeable amount.

    I did neglect to properly look up things though.

  82. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 10, 2014 at 1:22 am -      #82

    It certainly seemed that way. Perhaps at one time it was not the case, but perhaps corruption by Morgoth fundamentally changed Sauron to be empowered by darkness and such. Spirit Purifying seems to quite completely remove any darkness from the spirit, causing noticeable changes in appearance and behavior. With the technique, Korra purged the embodiment of darkness, chaos, pretty much the evil aspects of the universe. It seems not so much a stretch then to at the least depower a particularly malicious ring.

  83. Namer September 10, 2014 at 1:23 am -      #83

    @Epic,
    “no-sell lightning”
    When was this?
    .
    Numenor, towards the end. I’ll check the exact quote, but it went something like…
    .
    “And he stood upon the pinnacle of the temple, and defied the lightning and was unharmed, and in that hour men called him a god and did all that he would.”

    Also, Ulyaoth having planets orbiting around him, give some proof other than circular reasoning.

  84. Alpha or Omega September 10, 2014 at 1:31 am -      #84

    @Numinous
    “They look to me like a clear substance reflecting that light from behind them, thus giving off an opaque shine, each one has it if you look closely.”
    /
    Looking at the planets, I don’t really see an opaque shine. If that’s suppose to be a shine, it would have the same shiny look as Ulyaoth, but they look rocky instead.
    /
    “His servents also tend to be water based and have gel-like substances on them.”
    /
    While his servents look water based, they’re not all specifically water based. His black guardian has nothing to do with water and doesn’t have a gel like substance anywhere. Though his zombies do and Horrors do IIRC. They all are blue though.
    Though why and how does this have to do with the planets?
    /
    “If I recall right, movement generates magick in eternal darkness and with those constantly in motion it would generate the vast reserves of magick Ulyaoth possesses, but for that to work they would need to be a part of Ulyaoth.
    Even the wiki implies that line of reasoning.”
    /
    And the same wiki says those are planets-like orbs and they said it may be a nod to how movement restores magic for player characters. Not Ulyaoth.
    Also, that’s not the said reason why Ulyaoth has power over magick on both the game and wiki.
    /
    “We need actual proof of its size, scenes from the game where Ulyaoth appears. Until then it could be a galactic jellyfish or a thumb size jellyfish.”
    /
    While there aren’t exact sizes, there’s still a range of sizes that planets could be and we should pick the lowest one.
    /
    @Namer
    “Also, Ulyaoth having planets orbiting around him, give some proof other than circular reasoning.”
    /
    First of all, I said that they were planets because they looked like planets and orbit around.
    Numinous said that they look opaque like Ulyaoth, and I said they actually have two different colors.
    He then said that there is a shine and I said there isn’t since it would match his opaque shine.
    How is that circular reasoning?

  85. Commander Cross September 10, 2014 at 1:34 am -      #85

    If I recall correctly, wasn’t Sauron noted to actually be The Devil’s Lieutenant for all intents and purposes, in the grand scheme of Middle-Earth in general?

  86. Mr. happy September 10, 2014 at 6:41 am -      #86

    ‘If I recall correctly, wasn’t Sauron noted to actually be The Devil’s Lieutenant for all intents and purposes, in the grand scheme of Middle-Earth in general?’

    No Gorthmog was Morgoth’s right hand man. Sauron was just a lieutenant.

  87. Commander Cross September 10, 2014 at 10:59 am -      #87

    @Mr. Happy at #86

    I wasn’t exactly asking in a Right-hand Man kind of sense nor was I specifying Left-Hand Man either, it was a general question since Sauron being left behind still spells bad things for Middle-Earth.

  88. Friendlysociopath September 10, 2014 at 2:17 pm -      #88

    Oooookay, BankGambling ate my comment and tossed me back to the login screen… odd.

    Right, since it’s Maiar Sauron my usefulness has risen to extreme levels, I don’t own a copy of Silmarillion.

    Next, about the Jellyfish, it’s entirely up to interpretation- they do not look like planets to me, they look like orbs of jellyfish matter. Adding to that, when he uses magic there is power coursing in a ring through them, further signifying that they are part of him and not planets.

    Also it’s a fairly standard trope to have magical beings with orbs circling them, I can think of quite a few video game bosses that have the same feature.

  89. Rookie September 10, 2014 at 2:34 pm -      #89

    @Friendlysociopath

    “Next, about the Jellyfish, it’s entirely up to interpretation- they do not look like planets to me, they look like orbs of jellyfish matter. Adding to that, when he uses magic there is power coursing in a ring through them, further signifying that they are part of him and not planets.

    Also it’s a fairly standard trope to have magical beings with orbs circling them, I can think of quite a few video game bosses that have the same feature.”

    I also don’t think that they are planets. Because if those things are planets, then why Ulyaoth and four other Ancients even stay on Earth? Why would they even bother with Earth? Or how they could stay on Earth in the first place?
    Those orbs just some magic things IMO.

  90. Epicazeroth September 10, 2014 at 3:12 pm -      #90

    They don’t look like planets to me either. Also, they’re around his head – and he’s not spherical. Planets don’t orbit around the tops of non-spherical objects. They would at least be in the middle – though I’m not an astronomer or astrophysicist so I don’t know for sure.

  91. Alpha or Omega September 10, 2014 at 6:40 pm -      #91

    Whether they are planets or not since it’s up to interpretation, I guess it’s moot. However, size isn’t really relevant as the feats for Ulyaoth were posted.
    I do wanted to cover somethings though.
    /
    @Rookie
    “Because if those things are planets, then why Ulyaoth and four other Ancients even stay on Earth?”
    /
    Because three of the ancients are evil and were imprisoned from the universe while the Mantorok is a pretty nice guy. They want to put the whole universe in eternal darkness and all that stuff.
    /
    “Why would they even bother with Earth?”
    /
    They bothered with earth since they needed someone to get them out of their imprisonment.
    /
    “Or how they could stay on Earth in the first place?”
    /
    They existed way before humanity was there(before the three were imprisonment), and were going to put everything in eternal darkness after they come out.
    Mantorok was capable of having different forms, and we have no info on the fifth ancient.
    /
    @Epicazeroth
    “Planets don’t orbit around the tops of non-spherical objects. They would at least be in the middle – though I’m not an astronomer or astrophysicist so I don’t know for sure.”
    /
    Except Ulyaoth is like a jellyfish so it would stand for him to have more mass at the upper part of his body than his tentacles would since in a jellyfish, most of your organs would be up there.

  92. Namer September 11, 2014 at 2:09 am -      #92

    The circular reasoning line was poorly phrased, I apologise. You’re saying they’re the size of planets because they look and act like planets, and they act like planets because they look like planets.
    .
    If those were actually planets around Ulyaoth, then he’s pretty obviously much much larger than Earth, which makes it weird for him to be imprisoned on Earth. Being larget than planets automatically puts him on a cosmic scale beyond most earthbound settings, which are the other three

  93. Rookie September 11, 2014 at 5:11 am -      #93

    Who wins for now?

  94. Friendlysociopath September 11, 2014 at 3:11 pm -      #94

    @Rookie
    Not sure, thus far I think we’ve decided
    Korra: Better offense abilities
    Aang: Better defense abilities
    Avatar people vastly unimportant to outcome against higher level combatants Sauron and Ulyaoth.

    Sauron as Maiar tanks god level attacks.
    Ulyaoth can damage a person’s ‘magic’. Ulyaoth creates portals to cut creatures apart. I think that’s as far as we got.

  95. Alpha or Omega September 11, 2014 at 4:23 pm -      #95

    @Namer
    “You’re saying they’re the size of planets because they look and act like planets, and they act like planets because they look like planets.”
    /
    I never said they act like planets because they look like planets. I said they act like planets because they orbit around Ulyaoth. If anything, we were arguing over the look of the planets which is what we were disagreeing on.
    /
    “If those were actually planets around Ulyaoth, then he’s pretty obviously much much larger than Earth, which makes it weird for him to be imprisoned on Earth. Being larget than planets automatically puts him on a cosmic scale beyond most earthbound settings, which are the other three”
    /
    Ulyaoth was never imprisoned on Earth.
    Him and the two others were specifically expelled from the universe.
    Mantorok is the only one on earth and he has many forms as depicted in the ancient murals.

  96. Epicazeroth September 11, 2014 at 4:47 pm -      #96

    @Alpha: “I said they act like planets because they orbit around Ulyaoth.”
    Aang has water, fire, and earth orbiting him in the last episode. Doesn’t mean he has a gravitational field.

  97. Alpha or Omega September 11, 2014 at 5:53 pm -      #97

    Except we do know that he does that via bending.
    Ulyaoth’s can be up to interpretation. Though Ulyaoth doesn’t really need size to win the match since as I’ve said before, fades from dimensions and can use portals to cut people.

  98. Rookie September 11, 2014 at 6:03 pm -      #98

    @Alpha or Omega

    “Though Ulyaoth doesn’t really need size to win the match since as I’ve said before, fades from dimensions and can use portals to cut people.”

    Yes, but Sauron have mind control powers, if I remember right, and we know that Ulyaoth kinda weak against such things.

  99. Numinous One September 11, 2014 at 6:14 pm -      #99

    “Yes, but Sauron have mind control powers, if I remember right, and we know that Ulyaoth kinda weak against such things”

    Yep, mind fuckery is essentially what killed him.
    Those three ancients are basically involved in a cosmic game of rock, paper, scissors.
    Intelligence wins out against brute force but loses against madness.
    Brute force beats madness and madness beats intelligence.

    Screw with his mind and Ulyaoth’s attacks fail horribly.

  100. Alpha or Omega September 11, 2014 at 7:00 pm -      #100

    @Rookie&Numinous One
    While Ulyaoth got curbstomped by Xel’loath, she didn’t defeat him with one blow. We see Ulyaoth get hit a few times before he goes down. And, control over mind and insanity is Xel’laoth’s shtick.

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