The Red Lotus Vs Percy Jackson, Roy Mustang, Toph & Temari

The Red Lotus Vs Percy Jackson, Roy Mustang, Toph & Temari

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For this fight we have The Red Lotus (Avatar) going up against Percy Jackson, Roy Mustang (Full Metal Alchemist), Toph & Temari (Naruto)

Fight takes place in Atlantic City.

Which side wins?

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233 Comments on "The Red Lotus Vs Percy Jackson, Roy Mustang, Toph & Temari"

  1. Ciridae Hunter September 2, 2014 at 7:06 am -      #1

    This match will certainly be interesting since Mustang is so ruthless when compared to his compatriots and even his enemies; the Fire Bender on the side of the Red Lotus would be unable to deflect his attacks since his flame alchemy is instantaneous and doesn’t have a “flight pattern” like all benders have-when he targets something, it’s going to burn as soon as he snaps his fingers.

    Unless the Red Lotus can quickly water-check Mustang, it’s a sure-fire win for his team-though I am certain that Mustang could bring down at least one of them using his gun (remember Lust but without the healing)

    Regardless of who wins, this is one hell of a fight!

  2. Jake_Uzumaki September 2, 2014 at 7:56 am -      #2

    question, is this just the 4 Red Lotus agents that were primarily after Korra…or the entire rogue terrorist splinter cell with an unknown number of cells scattered across the 4 nations?

  3. Cassie Hack September 2, 2014 at 8:25 am -      #3

    I’ll be honest I don’t recall the Red Lotus Firebender doing much actual bending. She mostly just blew things up. That said the Naruto character honestly will probably have this I’m guessing.

  4. Ciridae Hunter September 2, 2014 at 8:36 am -      #4

    What does Percy Jackson do anyway-those books never caught my eye and I only saw the movie for extra credit at school, so I only got the, “I rely on other people’s garbage and act like an ignorant dickweed” vibe from him-does he rip off Zeus’ powers like everything based off of Greek mythology (save Kratos from everyone’s favorite Mortal Kombat reinactment of those legends) or does he have his own set (get it..?) of powers?

    Either way, Mustang will most likely burn everything (or shoot it) until it’s dead, so I will be rooting for him, Toph, and the rabble.

    Also, Toph is Last Airbender-not Naruto…though the show would be way better with her in it (had to say something-it was irritating to look at the mistake-no offense to the guy [or girl] who made the suggestion).

  5. Jake_Uzumaki September 2, 2014 at 8:47 am -      #5

    Temari doesn’t really win this for her team she’s…lower end of the Naruto spectrum, and her primary powers are wind based..not the best way to fight Zaheer.

    On that note…how are we working this current incarnation wise? Because technically the Combustion Bender is dead, her head was blown up….but Zaheer can fly now..like outright Superman style flight at speeds comparable to Aang in the fight with Ozai while freely bending in flight, matched Tenzin pretty fairly, and managed to fight an enraged out for blood Avatar State Korra until the Mercury Poisoning overwhelmed her body.

    Plus..being able to rip the air from peoples lungs and shit.

  6. Jake_Uzumaki September 2, 2014 at 8:51 am -      #6

    As to Percy..he’s super strong, blocked a bullet, can start a small hurricane around himself, has tanked bolts of lightning to the face on several occasions…but requires…being on the ground to be able to use his primary mode of movement..walking. Lava-Bending is a death sentence for him as unless he can out water-bend Octogirl he has to get close to be lethal.

  7. Ciridae Hunter September 2, 2014 at 9:11 am -      #7

    Wouldn’t this match be cooler with a whole team from Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood (to follow the “second-coming” thing that Korra has? Aside from an Airbender substitution, Alex Louis Armstrong (epic sparkle, cue shirtless scene) and the guy that uses water-based alchemy (before King Bradley chops him up, that is) would make a great team.

    Aside from that, prep time for each move is a disadvantage that the Benders (and any finger-origami ninja has in Naruto) have that puts them at a disadvantage when they want to perform a complex action; Zaheer can be incinerated by Mustang before or during his “taking air from lungs” move and Temari has exploding kunai…’nuff said.

    Also, I am laying Mustang pretty thick in this battle, but really…

    Col. Mustang: *snaps fingers*

    Enemy: *horrible shrieking* Oh god, my skin is bubbling-aahhh! *gurgle, gurgle, body falls to floor*

    Temari: Did you really have to be so cruel…hello!?

    Col. Mustang: Reminds me of Envy before we fought…*puts on sunglasses* he thought he was hot-

    Yeaaaa!!!!!

  8. Rookie September 2, 2014 at 9:22 am -      #8

    Team 2 stomp.

  9. shurikan September 2, 2014 at 9:28 am -      #9

    I do not know about the other characters,but team 2 stomps because,Mustang.

  10. sadot06 September 2, 2014 at 9:28 am -      #10

    The brotherhood consists of the 4 main fighters that hunted Korra. Per BankGambling rules, every character is at their most recent incarnation before incapacitation/death. Zaheer can still fly, even though the explosion bender’s death is what initially triggered it.


    Temari does not stomp just because she is from Naruto. She is very low end.


    Rookie please debate rather than say X team stomps.

  11. Jake_Uzumaki September 2, 2014 at 9:45 am -      #11

    Well other than the possiblity of P’Li taking out Mustang and going down with him as the others dodge I can’t really think of a way around him.

  12. Rookie September 2, 2014 at 9:47 am -      #12

    @sadot06

    “Rookie please debate rather than say X team stomps.”

    Oh yes, me again. Do you have something against me or something? @shurikan sayed pretty much same thing, yet you only choose me.
    AFAIK no one from team 1 have bullet-timing speed. Team 2 have Percy (if I understand @Jake_Uzumaki right) and Temari. How is team 1 going to keep up with them?

  13. Jake_Uzumaki September 2, 2014 at 9:52 am -      #13

    Percy’s kind of screwed because he can’t fly, once the ground around them is turned to lava he dead.
    Temari is in the Naruto tier that’s roughly the same speed as high end benders, I don’t recall any epic feats from her that would let her survive multiple explosions to the face, or a ball of lava to the face.

    Plus if I remember right…didn’t Korra dodge a point blank explosion when the Red Lotus attacked the Metal Clan city? I can’t remember now.

  14. Rookie September 2, 2014 at 9:57 am -      #14

    @Jake_Uzumaki

    “Temari is in the Naruto tier that’s roughly the same speed as high end benders, ”

    She is fighting as equal with other ninjas, even during the war. And aside from Madara nobody speedblitz her yet. Why would her speed be low?

  15. Jake_Uzumaki September 2, 2014 at 10:04 am -      #15

    Wait I remember it, it was after they confronted the traitor, they opened the door, bombs went off, then Korra blocked the explosion, I’ll see if I can find the video.

  16. Ciridae Hunter September 2, 2014 at 10:04 am -      #16

    @Rookie

    “Why would her speed be low?”

    Maybe it’s because of the whole hand-sign preparation required for high-power jutsu; considering her overall speed, she is actually a little faster considering she can move and attack while performing ninja sign-language.

    I wouldn’t use the massacre with Madara a good example of anyone’s speed besides his; he was making a mighty army the Union of Madara’s Bitches-anything was lucky to make it out of that.

  17. Rookie September 2, 2014 at 10:07 am -      #17

    Video about Red Lotus:

  18. Ragnorke September 2, 2014 at 10:07 am -      #18

    “Unless the Red Lotus can quickly water-check Mustang”

    Water only messed up Roys gloves if i remember correctly. He can still carve the circles on his hand, and continue snapping away.
    Also, he’s insanely accurate. He can burn a persons eyeballs or tongue from a range, without touching any other part of them.

  19. Rookie September 2, 2014 at 10:10 am -      #19

    Mustang vs Lust:

  20. Jake_Uzumaki September 2, 2014 at 10:12 am -      #20

    Also since this is in Atlantic City…do they start in front of each other? Or in different areas…because if it’s different areas the Red Lotus’s stealth capabilities could allow them to get a drop on the other team.

  21. Rookie September 2, 2014 at 10:13 am -      #21

    Temari vs Ten-Ten (interesting part starts from 5:30, Ten-Ten throw daggers from close distance, yet Temari managed to make a short speech and stop them without effort):

  22. Rookie September 2, 2014 at 10:16 am -      #22

    Temari vs Tayuya (interesting part from 2:20, Temari deflected the sound of the flute, after flute start playing, from very close distance.
    @Jake_Uzumaki you might wanna to look at this, it should be nice speed feat IMO):

  23. Jake_Uzumaki September 2, 2014 at 10:20 am -      #23

    Korra’s explosion feat would be comparable to Sasuke vs Deidara’s art bomb…not quite as fast since she didn’t take time to summon a giant bird and then leave, but impressive nonetheless.
    Zaheer was fighting her in the Avatar State and managing to avoid her attacks…including a rock the size of a large building.

    That said if this is a straight head to head match I can’t think of a way for them to beat Roy so it’s a moot point.

  24. Rookie September 2, 2014 at 10:23 am -      #24

    Mustang vs Envy:

  25. sadot06 September 2, 2014 at 10:26 am -      #25

    @Jake
    They start in different areas.


    @Rookie
    At the time of my comment yours was the only one that said stomp.


    Temari is low end in Naruto because she’s effectively fodder against mid to high tier fighters. The only thing she managed to do to Madara for instance was move him backward a bit and get dust on his armor. Speed wise she should be on par with elite benders. But Korra does indeed have an explosion timing feat and the red lotus frequently get the better of her.


    As an out to mustang, the water bender can freeze his gloves, Zaheer is precise and ruthless enough to take away the oxygen from your lungs, the lava bender besides spamming lava can great earth walls. It’s not a stomp at all.

  26. Ragnorke September 2, 2014 at 10:31 am -      #26

    “As an out to mustang, the water bender can freeze his gloves, ”

    He doesn’t need his gloves.

    ” the lava bender besides spamming lava can great earth walls.”

    Mustangs fire can be used past walls, since it isn’t a projectile. He also doesn’t need to see his target, since he has used his power while blind.
    He literally just ignite molecules, wherever they are.

    ” Zaheer is precise and ruthless enough to take away the oxygen from your lungs,”

    Is he fast enough to survive a snap of Mustangs fingers?

  27. Rookie September 2, 2014 at 10:31 am -      #27

    @sadot06

    “Temari is low end in Naruto because she’s effectively fodder against mid to high tier fighters. The only thing she managed to do to Madara for instance was move him backward a bit and get dust on his armor. Speed wise she should be on par with elite benders.”

    She land a hit on Madara. Prior to that Madara evaded every attack. Since her speed allowed her to land a hit, she is fast.
    No one here have Madara’s durability, so her attack power hardly matters.

  28. sadot06 September 2, 2014 at 10:37 am -      #28

    “She land a hit on Madara. Prior to that Madara evaded every attack. Since her speed allowed her to land a hit, she is fast. No one here have Madara’s durability, so her attack power hardly matters.”


    Lol that isn’t a speed feat:www.youtube.com/watch?v=1viUExmqj4w

    At 4:20 Madara is holding a shinobi by the throat and taunting him. Temari hits him with a gust of air from his blind spot while he’s doing it.

  29. Rookie September 2, 2014 at 10:40 am -      #29

    @sadot06

    “Lol that isn’t a speed feat:www.youtube.com/watch?v=1viUExmqj4w

    At 4:20 Madara is holding a shinobi by the throat and taunting him. Temari hits him with a gust of air from his blind spot while he’s doing it.”

    Yes, this is a speed feat. Prior to that Madara casually dodge the attacks from the entire army, yet here he failed to react, because of the speed of attack.

  30. sadot06 September 2, 2014 at 10:41 am -      #30

    Red Lotus Prison escapes:


    Ming Hua: www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_wmujxMR2g


    Gazan: www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFCq4NqUbK0


    P’li: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwolL2uVYnw


    Zaheer: www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KrLENkuDeY


    Invading Metal Bender stronghold to capture Korra: www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d4wovn-LdI

  31. sadot06 September 2, 2014 at 10:46 am -      #31

    “Yes, this is a speed feat. Prior to that Madara casually dodge the attacks from the entire army, yet here he failed to react, because of the speed of attack.”

    It isn’t a speed feat. She hit him in his blind spot with an invisible attack while he was distracted and holding another person. And on top of that the attack spans a wide area because it’s a gust of freaking wind. Every thing he dodged before that came while he was actively fighting and scanning the area. We know she’s fast, but that isn’t a speed feat whatsoever, and even if you could call it that, it’s unquantifiable.

  32. Ciridae Hunter September 2, 2014 at 10:46 am -      #32

    @Ragnorke

    “Water only messed up Roy’s gloves…”

    Though I think Mustang is a beast in this, water makes his flame alchemy useless; with Lust, he had time to dry (notice he wasn’t wet aside from pain-sweating as a result of his patchwork medical burning) and even Hawkeye says that he’s “useless on a rainy day” so Team Lotus can get the drop on Team Mustang if they can somehow evade detection by Temari.

    On a side note, he only carved a transmutation circle into his hand since Lust tore apart his glove.

    True, Mustang can use his alchemy while blind, but he needs to have a spotter (like Hawkeye) to assist him if he is blind otherwise it’s like Zeddicus Zu’l Zorander going bar-brawl with Wizard’s Fire (during a battle against the Imperial Order).

  33. Rookie September 2, 2014 at 10:51 am -      #33

    @sadot06

    “It isn’t a speed feat. She hit him in his blind spot with an invisible attack while he was distracted and holding another person. And on top of that the attack spans a wide area because it’s a gust of freaking wind. Every thing he dodged before that came while he was actively fighting and scanning the area. We know she’s fast, but that isn’t a speed feat whatsoever, and even if you could call it that, it’s unquantifiable.”

    Please notice that Madara looks directly at this attack. He see this attack, but realized that he can’t evade this.
    Next, nobody, except for Madara was hit by it, so this was an attack which can hit only one person and not several targets at once.
    If Madara realized that he can’t evade this attack, then how team 1 suppose to evade this attack?

  34. Ciridae Hunter September 2, 2014 at 10:52 am -      #34

    Since Temari is a trained stealth warrior (since she’s, y’know…a ninja…nin-nin”) she would have a much higher perception than anyone from Team Lotus and can easily land an ambush with a combination of exploding kunai (MR. TORGUE *BLEEP* APPROVES!) and her jutsu arsenal-she can also evade attacks with Substitution Jutsu.

  35. sadot06 September 2, 2014 at 10:53 am -      #35

    Korra explosion timing feat:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX5yIRovw6o
    17:10

  36. sadot06 September 2, 2014 at 11:03 am -      #36

    “Please notice that Madara looks directly at this attack. He see this attack, but realized that he can’t evade this.”

    What you’re failing to mention is that he doesn’t look at the attack until it’s already on him. That’s very clear in the video. He’s taunting the shinobi he’s holding, then we see the attack traveling from its perspective. Madara’s eyes don’t turn toward us until we’re in his face.

    “Next, nobody, except for Madara was hit by it, so the range of that attack is not big.”

    We don’t see anybody else, we just see Madara flying over the heads of other Shinobi, but she obviously focused the brunt of the attack toward him. But it’s consistent with her attacks to expand a wide area in order to carry away the target: 2:00 mark: www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR_X-wDnJok

    “If Madara, who before that realized that he can’t evade this attack, then how team 1 suppose to evade this attack?””


    Because team 1 won’t be looking in another direction and talking to a person that they’re holding by the throat. LOL.

  37. Ciridae Hunter September 2, 2014 at 11:05 am -      #37

    No, Team Lotus will be looking right at Team Mustang before going off on a monologue from hell.

  38. Rookie September 2, 2014 at 11:10 am -      #38

    @sadot06

    “We don’t see anybody else, we just see Madara flying over the heads of other Shinobi, but she obviously focused the brunt of the attack toward him. But it’s consistent with her attacks to expand a wide area in order to carry away the target: 2:00 mark: www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR_X-wDnJok”

    If this attack would hit anybody else we would’ve see them either sliced appart or flying in the same direction as Madara. Yet, we did not see anything like this.
    So this must be her new ability.

    “What you’re failing to mention is that he doesn’t look at the attack until it’s already on him. That’s very clear in the video. He’s taunting the shinobi he’s holding, then we see the attack traveling from its perspective. Madara’s eyes don’t turn toward us until we’re in his face.”

    That is not that I see. He looks directly at the attack and next moment he is hit, we hear sound of something hitting him and he send flying.

  39. Commander Cross September 2, 2014 at 11:50 am -      #39

    Percy w/out Styx Enhancements was able to tank Lava and Magma for what it’s worth, as of The Battle of The Labyrinth really.

    Also, if any of the Red Lotus lot unleashes Water on Roy Mustang, Percy’s just gonna go help keep it dry and use the water against the Red Lotus bunch.

    He also has some Aces up his sleeve, one of which I’m working to withhold unless no better options are available, but I do believe it was noted in The House of Hades somewhere, was it not?

    I will be overjoyed if Percy ever gets to learn how to use Ice Powers or Unleash a Storm, or even unleash a Hailstorm for that matter, know this.

    ___

    @Everyone

    You really thought you’d start a party like this without me?

    Y’know, what is it with you people and bringing in the likes of Perseus Jackson himself without inviting me to the party beforehand, first, or at least asking me about it!?
    Being left in the dark’s not fun.

  40. Rookie September 2, 2014 at 11:54 am -      #40

    @Commander Cross

    “You really thought you’d start a party like this without me?”

    I was surprised that you didn’t come earlier actually.

  41. sadot06 September 2, 2014 at 12:00 pm -      #41

    “If this attack would hit anybody else we would’ve see them either sliced appart or flying in the same direction as Madara. Yet, we did not see anything like this.
    So this must be her new ability.”

    New ability? Sliced apart? Lol wat? First off we don’t see enough of the field to know who felt the after effects, and 2, when she used the attack there was nobody around Madara except for the person he was holding and since she concentrated the attack it wouldn’t have hit anybody else very hard anyway.


    “That is not that I see. He looks directly at the attack and next moment he is hit, we hear sound of something hitting him and he send flying.”


    I suggest you watch it and then pause if you’re not able to follow the action because I described exactly what happened. He doesn’t turn toward the attack until it’s already too late. How is he going to dodge a big gust of wind that he doesn’t see until it’s inches away from him while he’s holding another person?


    You’re floundering here. What exactly are you trying to prove? That Temari is on par with Madara’s speed? LMAO

    @Commander Cross

    I leave everybody in the dark. I generally plan my matches in secret.

  42. Jake_Uzumaki September 2, 2014 at 12:05 pm -      #42

    He tanked being near lava but I don’t think he was out and out submerged in Lava, or had it dropped on him.
    Gazan sent a pulse of Lava through the ground to break Ba Sing Sei’s inner wall, a small gout of lava coming up under his feet wouldn’t end well for him I don’t think.

    Ming Hua would probably stop attacking Percy once she noticed it wasn’t affecting him and let P’Li or Gazan take care of him.

    Since they start in different areas this gives the Red Lotus a decent edge, Gazan can cut off roads and buildings with Lava so that team 2 will have to go to certain areas. Zaheer can fly up into the clouds to check where the team is coming from, or worse yet pick up P’Li with him and let her snipe them.

    If they want to the Red Lotus could essentially turtle up, create an Earth Bending Fortress with an impassible lava moat, then just lob lava i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y332/reiko96/ScreenShot2014-08-03at225139_zpsdcdc34b5.png over the walls when team 2 arrives.
    The not being in the same part of the city gives them a great chance to manipulate the battlefield in their favor.

  43. Ciridae Hunter September 2, 2014 at 12:08 pm -      #43

    Madara made the mistake that EVERY villain seems to make: he started monologuing. Based on his abilities, he probably would have dodged-hell, he would have slapped it away because wind is his bitch-if he wasn’t distracted by his own awesomeness; sure, it was only a few words-but he’s fighting an army…you don’t just stop in the middle of a battlefield to visit that one cafe to chat up a waitress or have a conversation with a guy wearing the same limited edition Pink Floyd t-shirt that you own-he got distracted.

    A guy who can use the Meteor Materia with only his mind wouldn’t get hit by such a low-level attack unless he liked the pain (…you don’t know what he does on the weekend) or he was distracting himself.

  44. Rookie September 2, 2014 at 12:10 pm -      #44

    @sadot06

    “Sliced apart? Lol wat? ”

    Video above, against Tayuya. Look that her wind did to trees.

    “First off we don’t see enough of the field to know who felt the after effects”

    Did anybody else was sent flying like Madara? There was only one direction and only Madara fly that way.

    “You’re floundering here. What exactly are you trying to prove? That Temari is on par with Madara’s speed? LMAO”

    Keep your emotions down please, that’s annoying to talk to you with all this “LoL” and “LMAO” around.

    “You’re floundering here. What exactly are you trying to prove? That Temari is on par with Madara’s speed? LMAO”

    No, what I am trying to say, that Temari was fast enough to catch Madara off-guard once while entire army could not do it and this feat is enough to put her above team 1 in terms of speed.

  45. Commander Cross September 2, 2014 at 12:17 pm -      #45

    @Rookie at #40

    And I apologize deeply for it, know this.

    _____

    (OOC: outside of the fighting.)

    @Sadot at #41

    Well next time you even think about doing another TDF or Codex Alera vs The World of Skulduggery Pleasant-related fight, and you really wanted to invite me over in a Group Fight, do us all a bloody good favor and do not leave out either a Potter-world or Dot Hack(.Hack) faction in it* but instead have both in there worked in, somehow.
    The last two you sent in got really annoying to say the least since you failed to invite the people I’ve asked way too many times over there, The World of Skulduggery Pleasant ain’t the only under-loved world on-site!*

    I’m just gonna withhold further scrutiny from yours truly for this thread and save it for the e-mails, but it’s watching you.

    ____

    (I.C/In-Combat: Back to normal.)

    @Everyone

    Anyway, at least I got to the Party on-time here, I don’t like being left out of a Party and there’s
    few things that are any worse.

    Anyone got ‘Game-Plans’ around here so we all on Side B can walk out home alive and intact?

    Anyway, if I’m mis-recalling, do warn me now before I do something Idiotic like Inviting The Wrong People where I live, or anything like that, okay?

    1.) (Like what’s become the Norm these days.)
    2.) (The Dot Hack(.Hack) Universe or whatever is left of its fanbase would like to have a word with you on that, thank you very much!)

  46. Kaladin Stormblessed September 2, 2014 at 12:18 pm -      #46

    Didn’t Percy survive a volcanic eruption once?

    For that matter, didn’t he CAUSE the eruption? I don’t have the book on hand, but I seem to recall that.

    But yeah… Walking. Though I think he can do some kind of jet thing underwater that’s pretty quick.

  47. Jake_Uzumaki September 2, 2014 at 12:19 pm -      #47

    heh….Ghazan doesn’t need to touch the ground to lava bend..can’t find the videos being on a campus computer right now but here’s him summoning lava under Bumi from a distance without even touching the ground, I really feel sorry for Percy and Toph..mostly Percy but if Ghazan isn’t on the ground when he does it…best case scenario her feet are horribly burned worst case she’s dead.
    i.imgur.com/zDrMIAW.jpg

  48. Jake_Uzumaki September 2, 2014 at 12:23 pm -      #48

    @Kaladin
    Like I said, can’t remember if he ever got fully submerged or not it’s been a while. Still probably not a good idea for him to get hit in the face by high speed lava projectiles though.
    Ghazan basically water bends Earth when he’s Lava Bending…Lava Whips, Lava Waves, Lava blades,

    i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y332/reiko96/ScreenShot2014-08-03at224932_zps37ab2d21.png
    i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y332/reiko96/ScreenShot2014-08-03at224854_zpse07626ec.png
    i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y332/reiko96/ScreenShot2014-08-03at225355_zps8aeefaa4.png
    i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y332/reiko96/ScreenShot2014-08-03at225254_zpsc607ced8.png

  49. Jake_Uzumaki September 2, 2014 at 12:25 pm -      #49

    He also caused recentlyheard.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/The-Legend-of-Korra-Book-3-Finale-4.png
    That to happen to the Air Temple by flooding the place with Lava as he left and letting it take it’s course.

    And if someone can grab the video of him bringing down an entire cave with Lava that’d be helpful.

    More ranged Lava bending
    i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y332/reiko96/ScreenShot2014-08-03at225450_zps565d83c0.png

    sending it underground to bring down the Ba Sing Se’s inner wall
    img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140808160611/avatar/images/d/d9/Ghazan_bringing_down_the_Inner_Wall.png

    This shows the aftermath…with an Attack on Titan image at the bottom to be ignored
    fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10352091_716179498437114_7153624174848557098_n.jpg?oh=a1958885b4c32d9671b81055cde82841&oe=54719E68&__gda__=1416780752_595d1dc50bb6b6336f0ca3aacf3215c1

  50. Ranger Lowk September 2, 2014 at 12:26 pm -      #50

    “Mustangs fire can be used past walls, since it isn’t a projectile.”

    Actually iirc if you look at the manga you can see the little energy trail most alchemy gove off going from his hand to the target.

  51. Ciridae Hunter September 2, 2014 at 12:29 pm -      #51

    The problem with such AoE lava bending is that his allies will be caught up in it-assuming Mustang didn’t kill them all-and would die with the target(s).

    But think: Mustang snaps are faster than even the fastest bending, Temari-even if she was the red-shirt of the ninja world-is a lot faster than any bender, Toph can rend the earth and let the lava leak back from whence it came, and I assume Percy can survive lava just fine (though how his clothes seem to survive is beyond me).

    If lava bending is your trump card, then Donald should have fired you a long time ago.

  52. Jake_Uzumaki September 2, 2014 at 12:32 pm -      #52

    forgot the Lava Shuriken which he can control from a range as shown in his escape video.
    i.imgur.com/SwPEcTOl.jpg

  53. Jake_Uzumaki September 2, 2014 at 12:34 pm -      #53

    Not the trump card but just showing his abilities since he’s got the most images out there of the three in action

    Zaheer can fly so he’s not going to get caught in area lava bending.

    And while they could fortress up they don’t have to, if they manage to catch team two off guard all Gazan has to do is focus for a second and the ground beneath Roy’s feet is suddenly boiling.

  54. Ranger Lowk September 2, 2014 at 12:35 pm -      #54

    ““Mustangs fire can be used past walls, since it isn’t a projectile.”

    Actually iirc if you look at the manga you can see the little energy trail most alchemy gove off going from his hand to the target.”


    Quick change to ye ol computron for evidence
    z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/32/023-094.0/compressed/l094_20_fouramscan.jpg?v=11239404345
    z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/32/023-094.0/compressed/l094_29_fouramscan.jpg?v=11239404345
    See the lil lightning trail thingie.
    EDIT: Do those work for everybody? Sometime manga sites seem not to work for some.

  55. Rookie September 2, 2014 at 12:41 pm -      #55

    @Ranger Lowk

    “EDIT: Do those work for everybody? Sometime manga sites seem not to work for some.”

    Not sure about everybody, but they work for me.

  56. Jake_Uzumaki September 2, 2014 at 12:42 pm -      #56

    Also P’Li did block
    i.imgur.com/kp2s5w7.jpg
    that..so food for thought.

  57. Jake_Uzumaki September 2, 2014 at 12:49 pm -      #57

    So his Alchemy is at least as visible as combustion bending from what I can tell.

  58. sadot06 September 2, 2014 at 12:57 pm -      #58

    “Video above, against Tayuya. Look that her wind did to trees.”

    Yeah she used a specific jutsu with slice in the title, what does that have to do with the Madara fight? She did a gust of wind to repel, similar but stronger to what she’s done in other videos already posted.
    “First off we don’t see enough of the field to know who felt the after effects”

    “Did anybody else was sent flying like Madara? There was only one direction and only Madara fly that way.”

    I already addressed this. Madara was by himself with the exception the person he was holding and most of the blast was concentrated on Madara.


    “Keep your emotions down please, that’s annoying to talk to you with all this “LoL” and “LMAO” around.”

    LMAO

    “No, what I am trying to say, that Temari was fast enough to catch Madara off-guard once while entire army could not do it and this feat is enough to put her above team 1 in terms of speed.”

    Oh ok. Here’s why that is pure nonsense.

    1. She was not face to face with Madara nor did she hit him while he was in motion. She hit him while he was stationary, not looking, holding another person by the throat, and taunting. You keep ignoring these facts which further kills your argument.

    2. If Temari was indeed fast enough to hit Madara without him being able to react, she would have been a more central character in the fight. She obviously wasn’t.

    3. None of this supports the notion that she’s faster than the Red Lotus because it’s a long range attack. She didn’t physically bum rush Madara. She threw wind at him from a distance.

  59. Ranger Lowk September 2, 2014 at 12:59 pm -      #59

    So found that you can dodge Mustang attack
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/8/80103/3845365-7309787930-c101-.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/8/80103/3845366-8393957188-c101-.jpg

    but requires your badassness to be equal to or exceed Fuhrer King Bradley’s
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111126230/3628638-0711795131-tumbl.gif
    Wait no meant to show speed
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111130700/3970733-9982673478-tumbl.gif
    there we go.

    EDIT: That said Mustang doesn’t really need to be specific
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11111/111112704/3845303-3388413-mustang%2B3.gif

  60. Rookie September 2, 2014 at 1:03 pm -      #60

    @sadot06

    “LMAO”

    Ok then. Have it your way.

    @Ranger Lowk

    “EDIT: That said Mustang doesn’t really need to be specific
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11111/111112704/3845303-3388413-mustang%2B3.gif”

    Impressive range actually.

  61. Jake_Uzumaki September 2, 2014 at 1:23 pm -      #61

    @Sadot
    can you find the scene of P’Li combustion bending down on the air temple from the airship?

  62. Rookie September 2, 2014 at 1:29 pm -      #62

    @Jake_Uzumaki

    “combustion bending down on the air temple from the airship?”

    You mean this (just turn sound off))) from 4:49?:

  63. Jake_Uzumaki September 2, 2014 at 1:43 pm -      #63

    @Rookie
    several points in there
    1:48 and 1:58 keep in mind they wanted to use the Air Nomads as leverage against Korra so she likely was trying to keep them herded and minimize casualties.
    2:26 ish.

    Plus the whole fight shows some impressive feats for the Red Lotus
    Ming Hua cutting through stone with her ice
    Ghazan’s lava bending and Earth Bending

    Then the point you mentioned has more combustion bending, including her clipping Kai at one point then managing to hit him full on, Kai only surviving for his airbending shield he throws up.

  64. Jake_Uzumaki September 2, 2014 at 2:32 pm -      #64

    P’Li was able to take out two police cars in rapid succession, then took out a third and Ghazan took care of the last two
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCPgUFYjCp4&feature=player_detailpage

    Season Finale Mako and Bolin vs Ghazan and Ming Hua and Zaheer vs Bloodlusted Avatar State Korra.

  65. The Amazing Dualgunner September 2, 2014 at 2:58 pm -      #65

    To everyone saying Mustang is useless in water, I remember a part where he said he was able to ignite the hydrogen in it–I think it was just before the Lust fight, actually.

    I have no source for this info (but if anyone can find scans); a quick search on the wiki (as reliable as they may or may not be) agrees with me:

    “While Mustang’s Flame Alchemy cannot be used on rainy days because the humidity makes it impossible for his gloves to produce sparks, it becomes clear that water itself does not make the Colonel entirely as “useless” as his subordinates assume. Using the transmutation circles on his gloves, Roy is able to separate hydrogen atoms from the oxygen atoms in water molecules, isolating them into a highly combustible fuel and powerfully volatile oxidizer, respectively. Though this method can only be used when a large quantity of water is present in a relatively closed-off space (and not in the rain where the air is open and separating hydrogen and oxygen for the purpose of combustion would pose far too much danger to anyone in the vicinity), with an outside source of ignition such as a cigarette lighter or a match, Roy can produce extremely powerful, localized explosions.” –Fullmetal Alchemist Wiki, fma.wikia.com/wiki/Roy_Mustang

  66. Rookie September 2, 2014 at 3:18 pm -      #66

    Feats for Percy:
    Dodging musket fire:

    “An army of the dead marched toward us. A hundred skeletal Roman legionnaires led the way with shields and spears. Behind them came an equal number of British redcoats with bayonets fixed. In the middle of the host, Hades himself rode a black-and-gold chariot pulled by nightmare horses, their eyes and manes smoldering with fire.

    “You will not escape me this time, Percy Jackson!” Hades bellowed. “Destroy him!”

    “Father, no!” Nico shouted, but it was too late. The front line of Roman zombies lowered their spears and advanced.

    Mrs. O’Leary growled and got ready to pounce. Maybe that’s what set me off. I didn’t want them hurting my dog. Plus, I was tired of Hades being a big bully. If I was going to die, I might as well go down fighting.

    I yelled, and the River Styx exploded. A black tidal wave smashed into the legionnaires. Spears and shields flew everywhere. Roman zombies began to dissolve, smoke coming off their bronze helmets.

    The redcoats lowered their bayonets, but I didn’t wait for them. I charged.

    It was stupidest thing I’ve ever done. A hundred muskets fired at me, point blank. All of them missed. I crashed into their line and started hacking with Riptide. Bayonets jabbed. Swords slashed. Guns reloaded and fired. Nothing touched me.

    I whirled through the ranks, slashing redcoats to dust, one after the other. My mind went on autopilot: stab, dodge, cut, deflect, roll. Riptide was no longer a sword. It was an arc of pure destruction.

    I broke through the enemy line and leaped into the black chariot. Hades raised his staff. A bolt of dark energy shot toward me, but I deflected it off my blade and slammed into him. The god and I both tumbled out of the chariot.

    The next thing I knew, my knee was planted on Hades’s chest. I was holding the collar of his royal robes in one fist, and the tip of my sword was poised right over his face.

    Silence. The army did nothing to defend their master. I glanced back and realized why. There was nothing left of them but weapons in the sand and piles of smoking, empty uniforms. I had destroyed them all.”

    caused Mount St Helens to erupt:

    “Afterwards, I could never describe what happened. An explosion, a tidal wave, a whirlwind of power simultaneously catching me up and blasting me downwards into the lava. Fire and water collided, superheated steam, and I shot up from the heart of the volcano in a huge explosion, just one piece of flotsam thrown free by a million pounds of pressure. The last thing I remember before losing consciousness was flying, flying so high Zeus would never have forgiven me, and then beginning to fall, smoke and fire and water streaming from me. I was a comet hurtling towards the earth.”

    Is he done some illusions here?:

    “Probably it was just his brain getting fried from poison fumes, but he croaked out a laugh. Poison was liquid. If it moved like water, it must be partially water.
    He remembered some science lecture about the human body being mostly water. He remembered extracting water from Jason’s lungs back in Rome … If he could control that, then why not other liquids?
    It was a crazy idea. Poseidon was the god of the sea, not of every liquid everywhere.
    Then again, Tartarus had its own rules. Fire was drinkable. The ground was the body of a dark god. The air was acid, and demigods could be turned into smoky corpses.
    So why not try? He had nothing left to lose.
    He glared at the poison flood encroaching from all sides. He concentrated so hard that something inside him cracked – as if a crystal ball had shattered in his stomach.
    Warmth flowed through him. The poison tide stopped.
    The fumes blew away from him – back towards the goddess. The lake of poison rolled towards her in tiny waves and rivulets.
    Akhlys shrieked. ‘What is this?’
    ‘Poison,’ Percy said. ‘That’s your speciality, right?’
    He stood, his anger growing hotter in his gut. As the flood of venom rolled towards the goddess, the fumes began to make her cough. Her eyes watered even more.
    Oh, good, Percy thought. More water.
    Percy imagined her nose and throat filling with her own tears.
    Akhlys gagged. ‘I –’ The tide of venom reached her feet, sizzling like droplets on a hot iron. She wailed and stumbled back.
    ‘Percy!’ Annabeth called.
    She’d retreated to the edge of the cliff, even though the poison wasn’t after her. She sounded terrified. It took Percy a moment to realize she was terrified of him.
    ‘Stop …’ she pleaded, her voice hoarse.
    He didn’t want to stop. He wanted to choke this goddess. He wanted to watch her drown in her own poison. He wanted to see just how much misery Misery could take.
    ‘Percy, please …’ Annabeth’s face was still pale and corpse-like, but her eyes were the same as always. The anguish in them made Percy’s anger fade.
    He turned to the goddess. He willed the poison to recede, creating a small path of retreat along the edge of the cliff.
    ‘Leave!’ he bellowed.
    For an emaciated ghoul, Akhlys could run pretty fast when she wanted to. She scrambled along the path, fell on her face and got up again, wailing as she sped into the dark.
    As soon as she was gone, the pools of poison evaporated. The plants withered to dust and blew away.
    Annabeth stumbled towards him. She looked like a corpse wreathed in smoke, but she felt solid enough when she gripped his arms.
    ‘Percy, please don’t ever …’ Her voice broke in a sob. ‘Some things aren’t meant to be controlled. Please.’
    His whole body tingled with power, but the anger was subsiding. The broken glass inside him was beginning to smooth at the edges.”

    IMO, rather unimpressive compared to the other members of his team.

  67. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 2, 2014 at 3:38 pm -      #67

    It begs the question about how LoK human durability stacks up against FMA people.

  68. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 2, 2014 at 3:41 pm -      #68

    This thread exploded fast, holy crap.
    =
    @Ciridae Hunter Haven’t seen you before, so I’m assuming you’re new, so welcome to the site! Please, sit back, keep your arms and legs outside the ride at all times and enjoy.
    =
    So, I’m torn, while the Red Lotus members were awesome and really good benders, I’m not sure if they have what it takes to take down Mustang(as others have mentioned).
    =
    “Temari is in the Naruto tier that’s roughly the same speed as high end benders”

    Aren’t even low tier shinobi faster than most benders? I’ve never recalled anything specifically fast about benders, besides the occasional lightning dodging/redirecting(why is lightning not used more often!? *sobs*).
    =
    “but requires your badassness to be equal to or exceed Fuhrer King Bradley’s”

    Don’t know if they’re that fast though, which is pretty problematic for Team 1 considering he’s going to be a major factor.

    While they should be used to that kind of attack, I don’t see them overcoming the speed of it since they don’t seem to be bullet timers. Or at least as casual as Bradley seemed.

    Although, thanks to that scan I can go bump an old thread with something relevant. Hopefully Rag and Sorrow(where’s he been anyways? Haven’t seen him in forever)will see it.
    =
    “Since Temari is a trained stealth warrior (since she’s, y’know…a ninja…nin-nin”)”

    Stealth is almost never used in Naruto though, they all just run around blowing up country sized meteors and stuff with their Magma Rasenshurikens and their Susanoos.

    Even so, haven’t the Red Lotus shown better stealth capabilities than most shinobi in Naruto?
    =
    I like the thought of Gazan and Toph having to fight each other. Just seems right, ya know?

  69. Ciridae Hunter September 2, 2014 at 3:57 pm -      #69

    Thanks, CH allergic to bullets-I’ve been here for a couple months, but I like to stay out of attention (or most people ignore my posts until I say something that pisses them off; not sure which).

    Even though Naruto ninja tend to blow things up a lot, there is always a display of stealth that tends to go under the radar; usually reconnaissance missions are when stealth is used.

    Other than that, the benders would have to all gang up on Mustang-even with their combined power, Mustang could easily kill at least two of them before being taken down, and that is assuming they could bend fast enough to beat Mustang’s alchemy timing.

  70. Ragnorke September 2, 2014 at 4:00 pm -      #70

    “Mustang could easily kill at least two of them before being taken down, and that is assuming they could bend fast enough to beat Mustang’s alchemy timing.”

    He can make huge AoE attacks too, from pretty ridiculous range, and he’s accurate as a motherfucker…. All by just snapping his fingers.
    The rest of the team is overkill.

  71. Rookie September 2, 2014 at 4:00 pm -      #71

    Percy blocks bullet:

    “The first skeleton fired. Time slowed down. I won’t say I could see the bullet, but I could feel its path, the same way I felt water currents in the ocean. I deflected it off the edge of my blade and
    kept charging.”

    Some magic defence, I guess:

    “I was about to make some clever comment, like “No,” when the Titan yelled. A wall of force slammed me through the air—just like the trick Kronos had pulled on the bridge. I sailed backward about three hundred yards and smashed into the ground. If it hadn’t been for my new invulnerability, I would’ve broken every bone in my body.”

  72. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 2, 2014 at 4:11 pm -      #72

    “Thanks”

    No problem, hope you enjoy.
    =
    “-I’ve been here for a couple months, but I like to stay out of attention (or most people ignore my posts until I say something that pisses them off; not sure which).”

    Huh, I feel like I should’ve at least seen a post or two before this *shrugs*
    =
    “Even though Naruto ninja tend to blow things up a lot, there is always a display of stealth that tends to go under the radar”

    It’s been a while since I’ve seen the original show(where Temari is more relevant)so, mind showing some feats of her detecting stealthy ninja, por favor?
    =
    “Other than that, the benders would have to all gang up on Mustang-even with their combined power, Mustang could easily kill at least two of them before being taken down, and that is assuming they could bend fast enough to beat Mustang’s alchemy timing.”

    Didn’t OP mention they start from different areas? If so, I don’t see why they couldn’t just find a building to hide in and have Gazan melt the ground beneath Roy.
    =
    “He can make huge AoE attacks too, from pretty ridiculous range, and he’s accurate as a motherfucker…. All by just snapping his fingers.”

    True, but Lowk showed it could be dodged(although I doubt Team 1 has the speed to do so).
    =
    @Sadot So, it’s passed 50 posts, but do you mind telling us if the city’s abandoned or not? I’m assuming it’s as populated as Atlanta City is IRL, but from a conversation I had with Sorrow makes me wanna ask.

    Also, why wouldn’t you make this take place at a cosplay convention? That would’ve made things interesting. 😛

  73. Rookie September 2, 2014 at 4:21 pm -      #73

    More about Percy:

    “Jason and Percy Charged each other, but Tempest and Blackjack balked long enough for Piper to leap out of the way. She rolled to the edge of the road and looked back, dazed and horrified, as the boys crossed swords, gold against bronze. Sparks flew. Their blades blurred-strike and parry-and the pavement trembled. The first exchange took only a second, but Piper couldn’t believe the speed of their sword fighting.
    The horses pulled away from each other-Tempest thundering in protest, Blackjack flapping his wings. ”

    “The Minotaur didn’t even slow down. He looked down in surprise at the axe handle sprouting from his breastplate. “Thanks for playing,” I told him. I lifted him by his legs and tossed him over the side of the bridge.”

    “I raised Riptide, but before I could even defend myself, Thalia yelled, and a blast of lightning came down from the sky, hit her spear like a lightning rod, and slammed into my chest. I sat down hard. There was a burning smell; I had a feeling it was my clothes. “Thalia!” Chiron said. “That is enough!” I got to my feet and willed the entire creek to rise. It swirled up, hundreds of gallons of water in a massive icy funnel cloud.”

  74. Ciridae Hunter September 2, 2014 at 4:22 pm -      #74

    I would CH, but it’s been many years since I myself have watched the original series-and that was because the completionist in me forced me to do it; I don’t feel like going back to see things that I already know about (like all of the masked guys who watched ninja Michael Jackson and the Third Hokage fight like battle voyeuristic freaks without anyone even sensing their chakra).

    As for the melt the building thing, Mustang is very quick with his alchemy and could probably use his flame alchemy to solidify the lava with a simple transmutation or even use his own flames to suck up all the oxygen so the lava will solidify anyway (his alchemy is flexible like that); also, if they were hiding in the building wouldn’t they all have to escape before it was melted-the optimistic side of me says that at least one of them would be taken down with Mustang if their odds were impeccably good.

  75. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 2, 2014 at 4:39 pm -      #75

    “As for the melt the building thing”

    What I meant was that if Gazan hid in a building he could melt the street that Roy was standing. Although the rest of the post makes it seem less viable of a strategy.
    =
    “As for the melt the building thing”

    They don’t have to be in the same building as Gazan is in. Even so, Gazan has shown pretty impressive feats of lava bending. Taking down the wall separating the Earth kingdom districts, melting an entire air temple building that was sitting on a mountain, and bringing down a massive cave system. There’s also lava shuriken that Jake posted.
    =
    “the optimistic side of me says that at least one of them would be taken down with Mustang if their odds were impeccably good.”

    They could divide and conquer. I don’t see why they couldn’t just terraform the battlefield so that Roy was forced by himself and take him out. They could just snipe him from the air.
    =
    @Jake Did Gazan ever metal bend? If so, whats stopping him from simply doing what was done to P’Li instead of just covering her face, cover his hands? I don’t see why he couldn’t do it with earth now that I think about it.
    =
    Zaheer is going to be a major pain for Toph to fight, her bending being reliant on the enemy touching the floor and all.

  76. Rookie September 2, 2014 at 4:41 pm -      #76

    @CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets

    “Zaheer is going to be a major pain for Toph to fight, her bending being reliant on the enemy touching the floor and all.”

    Yes, I agree, this one is clear win for Zaheer.

  77. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 2, 2014 at 4:51 pm -      #77

    “Yes, I agree, this one is clear win for Zaheer.”

    Very much so.
    =
    If the city’s empty Toph is going to be a major asset for Team 2. Considering Toph’s major skill is sensing where people are by contact with the ground, anywhere Team 1 hides is going to be instantly figured out by Toph. Should the city be more populated it could potentially even things out a bit.
    =
    Should the city be empty, I’m thinking Team 2 has more of an advantage. If not, then I think it still can go either way, still leaning on Team 2 though.

  78. Rookie September 2, 2014 at 4:55 pm -      #78

    @CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets

    “If the city’s empty Toph is going to be a major asset for Team 2. Considering Toph’s major skill is sensing where people are by contact with the ground, anywhere Team 1 hides is going to be instantly figured out by Toph. Should the city be more populated it could potentially even things out a bit.
    =
    Should the city be empty, I’m thinking Team 2 has more of an advantage. If not, then I think it still can go either way, still leaning on Team 2 though.”

    Can’t Percy flood entire city? I do not know his abilities well, I admit, but isn’t he have control over entire ocean?

  79. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 2, 2014 at 5:09 pm -      #79

    “Can’t Percy flood entire city? I do not know his abilities well, I admit, but isn’t he have control over entire ocean?”

    *shrugs* Commander Cross, would you like to clarify?

    Even so, I think Ming Hua shold be skilled enough to do something about it.
    =
    I’m mostly just thinking stealth is the best option for Team 1, full frontal assault seems suicidal considering Roy’s attacks and Temari’s speed. Should the city be empty, Toph’s going to sniff them out immediately and it’s game over. If Zaheer decided to fly in that scenario(keep in mind I’m assuming at this point they’ll know where he is and have a general idea of where to look for him in the sky), he’ll be easily picked off. by Team 2.

    If the city was populated, then stealth is a better option since Toph won’t be able to find them immediately, if at all. With Team 2 now not knowing where Team 1 is, Zaheer should be able to fly safely(since they won’t know where he is, he should be a lot safer, until they find them, should they find him)and perform reconnaissance.

  80. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 2, 2014 at 5:10 pm -      #80

    The again, P’li doesn’t require direct line or sight with her Combustion bending, given she can curve her shots to get behind cover.

  81. Commander Cross September 2, 2014 at 5:59 pm -      #81

    @CH at #79

    If there be enough of a Body of Water around or Percy plants enough Sea Shells on the grounds surrounding him, that’s a viable option for considering.
    It never hurts that Percy doesn’t get wet even when underwater unless he wants to be wet and whatnot, and if I recall correctly I’m pretty dang sure he can prevent his comrades in this fight like Mustang from getting soggy, let alone drowning.

    If I mis-recalled, you’ll have to forgive me, I admit I haven’t been reading the novels much in Months lately and I do hope the wikia’s far better-cited out than when I last seen it.*

    1.) (Which is to say most of its citations were non-existent.)

  82. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 2, 2014 at 6:21 pm -      #82

    “If I mis-recalled, you’ll have to forgive me”

    Roy doesn’t seem to need it either. Could be wrong though. His also seems a lot less capable of being dodged or countered.
    =
    “Can’t Percy flood entire city? I do not know his abilities well, I admit, but isn’t he have control over entire ocean?”

    What would that do?
    =
    “It never hurts that Percy doesn’t get wet even when underwater unless he wants to be wet and whatnot, and if I recall correctly I’m pretty dang sure he can prevent his comrades in this fight like Mustang from getting soggy, let alone drowning.”

    I was mostly thinking even if he does try to flood the city, she should be able to keep it at bay, or countering it to some point, not necessarily attack him with it.

    Has he ever been frozen?
    =
    “If I mis-recalled, you’ll have to forgive me”

    Of course. I don’t expect you to have complete knowledge on the matter.

  83. sadot06 September 2, 2014 at 6:22 pm -      #83

    “So, I’m torn, while the Red Lotus members were awesome and really good benders, I’m not sure if they have what it takes to take down Mustang(as others have mentioned).”

    Mustang is great but he couldn’t beat Zaheer 1 v 1. Also the combustion bender is more than just a bomb spammer, she tanked a dragon spamming fire on her from point blank range. She can handle Mustang too.


    “Aren’t even low tier shinobi faster than most benders? I’ve never recalled anything specifically fast about benders, besides the occasional lightning dodging/redirecting(why is lightning not used more often!? *sobs*).”

    The lightning stuff is far above what most Shinobi are shown to be capable of. Besides, Korra also has an explosion timing feat that I posted and the red lotus frequently overcome her in combat.


    “Don’t know if they’re that fast though, which is pretty problematic for Team 1 considering he’s going to be a major factor.”

    King Bradley isn’t in this fight and his shell slice was Anime only. Plus how would that relate to Mustang? Bradley was the fastest character in that series, far outclassing Mustang.


    “Other than that, the benders would have to all gang up on Mustang-even with their combined power, Mustang could easily kill at least two of them before being taken down, and that is assuming they could bend fast enough to beat Mustang’s alchemy timing.”

    If they all fought Mustang at once, Roy would lose very badly. Zaheer alone could take out Roy.


    “The rest of the team is overkill.”

    Yeah if you ignore all of team 1’s feats and massively overrate Roy.

  84. Jake_Uzumaki September 2, 2014 at 6:33 pm -      #84

    @CH1C4N0444
    Metal and Lava bending seem to be a one or the other thing unless your the Avatar, Bolin proved completely incapable of Metal Bending but was able to Lava Bend and no Metal Benders have Lava Bent.
    We’ve seen an Avatar Lava bend and an Avatar Metal Bend and presumably any Avatar can lava bend…but we’ve never seen an individual actually perform both.

    As to flooding the city while it would be great for Percy it could hinder his own team to a degree team 1 won’t care and Ming Hua could take advantage of a flooded city to create an ice platform for them to stealthily move around on removing them from Toph’s seismic sense completely..plus we do we know if Toph’s sense works through magma? Like if Ghazan created Lava deep enough would it cut her off from that area? And..I can’t remember did she have a max range with it?

    @Rookie
    “I was about to make some clever comment, like “No,” when the Titan yelled. A wall of force slammed me through the air—just like the trick Kronos had pulled on the bridge. I sailed backward about three hundred yards and smashed into the ground. If it hadn’t been for my new invulnerability, I would’ve broken every bone in my body.”
    ——————-
    that was back when he had the Curse of Achilles, he no longer has that doesn’t really work as a durability feat for him.

    On just Ghazan vs Toph…it’d be tricky Toph’s best bet would be to go Spider-Toph on him but at the same time that would cut off her sight, on the ground she can’t beat him unless she is able to access a very large amount of metal to throw at him and stand on, any standard Earth would just be giving him ammo.

    The fight would be tricky and in the end depends on if lava would work with her seismic sense, and if thrown lava would show up through her Earth sense in the same way normal Earth does.

  85. Commander Cross September 2, 2014 at 6:35 pm -      #85

    So if I have to make further shots in the dark for what’s concrete here, it’s this:

    This fight is like a Turn-Based RPG of sorts involving 2 groups fighting each other, where if one person from one side does anything, someone else from the opposition will strive to counter it and if neither side’s too diverted, see if they can’t make the opposition pay dearly for any dumb decisions made the longer the fighting takes.
    The Side with the fewest or least-heaviest* dumb decisions gets to walk out by the end of it.

    Why isn’t anyone making a video game out of it aside from copyright regards? -_-

    ____

    Okay, since this match is also behaving like Pong, We need a new Game Plan around here because otherwise we may have to unleash the Bigger Guns before we get to the next page or so.

    Does Temari have anything new to offer worth mentioning?

    1.) (By Numbers or Preferences.)

  86. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 2, 2014 at 6:36 pm -      #86

    “Mustang is great but he couldn’t beat Zaheer 1 v 1. ”

    I don’t think so, Zaheer’s good, but attacks that take bullet timers to dodge seems a bit out of his paygrade.

    Has Mustang’s attacks been dodged by people other than Bradley? If IIRC he had a sharingan like eye or something which helped him, but that’s an advantage the Red Lotus doesn’t have.

    I don’t recall them doing this, but have any of the Red Lotus dodged/blocked/redirected lightning based attacks? Lightning timing>Bullet timing right?
    =
    “Also the combustion bender is more than just a bomb spammer”

    Right, but I don’t think she’d survive her eyes going boom.
    =
    “The lightning stuff is far above what most Shinobi are shown to be capable of.”

    IIRC Kakashi as a kid was able to do that, I’m sure by now most, if not all, shinobi are far above him when he did that.
    =
    “King Bradley isn’t in this fight and his shell slice was Anime only.”

    Was it? Aren’t there other bullet timing feats in FMA?
    =
    “Plus how would that relate to Mustang?”

    It doesn’t, I’m just saying since he’s the only one(that I know of)who dodged it, it would take speed at least equal to dodge Roy’s blasts, which I don’t think they have.
    =
    ” Bradley was the fastest character in that series, far outclassing Mustang.”

    Right, and I don’t think the Red Lotus has speed feats comparable to Bradley, and since he’s the only one who’s dodged it(again, that I know of)I don’t think they could dodge it.
    =
    And while you’re here, is the city abandoned?

  87. Ragnorke September 2, 2014 at 6:45 pm -      #87

    “The again, P’li doesn’t require direct line or sight with her Combustion bending, given she can curve her shots to get behind cover.”

    Mustange doesn’t require line of sight either… he’s done it while blind…
    And flat-wall cover won’t be very useful against Mustang, unless the enemy manages to cover inside a dome of some sort. Even then, i believe Mustang can ignite the air INSIDE the dome… but… i don’t think i can prove it.

    “Right, and I don’t think the Red Lotus has speed feats comparable to Bradley, and since he’s the only one who’s dodged it(again, that I know of)I don’t think they could dodge it.”

    In the anime, no one has dodged Mustangs ignition. It appears to be instant, as you can see in all the videos.
    So even bullet-timer Bradley wasn’t able to dodge it.

  88. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 2, 2014 at 6:51 pm -      #88

    “Metal and Lava bending seem to be a one or the other thing unless your the Avatar, Bolin proved completely incapable of Metal Bending but was able to Lava Bend and no Metal Benders have Lava Bent.”

    Huh, I’m trying to think of examples, but yea, you’re right. I wonder if they’ll show otherwise or confirm it. So, metalbending’s out for Bolin. Even with the Avatar, they’ve only shown one or the other now that I think about it.

    Makes me wonder why there aren’t other lavabenders though.

    Makes me wonder if combustion bending and lightning bending work that way as well. Since the same applies there too.
    =
    “plus we do we know if Toph’s sense works through magma? ”

    I think she can, I was just reading a thread over at comicvine where they brought this up. They mentioned an episode where she had to navigate through a volcano or something.
    =
    “And..I can’t remember did she have a max range with it?”

    I’d imagine pretty far. She was able to create an entire replica with sand of Ba Sing Se. Which includes a lot of tall buildings and areas she would’ve not had an knowledge of(since she didn’t go through the entire city).

    IIRC she was also able to sense the movement of a ship while she was on another one, so I guess vibrations go through water as well(since there’s no other way she’d know where to attack)and was also able to attack the catapults’ projectiles. Granted, this last bit I got from the comicvine thread I read earlier, there’s a lot I forgot about the show.
    =
    “On just Ghazan vs Toph…it’d be tricky Toph’s best bet would be to go Spider-Toph on him but at the same time that would cut off her sight, on the ground she can’t beat him unless she is able to access a very large amount of metal to throw at him and stand on, any standard Earth would just be giving him ammo.

    The fight would be tricky and in the end depends on if lava would work with her seismic sense, and if thrown lava would show up through her Earth sense in the same way normal Earth does.”

    It’d make for a really good match to say the least.
    =
    ” he’s done it while blind…”

    Didn’t he need help though?
    =
    “In the anime, no one has dodged Mustangs ignition. It appears to be instant, as you can see in all the videos.”

    Pretty sure manga>anime in terms of canon. Besides, which anime was it? Brotherhood or the 2003 one?
    =
    “So even bullet-timer Bradley wasn’t able to dodge it.”

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/8/80103/3845365-7309787930-c101-.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/8/80103/3845366-8393957188-c101-.jpg

    ^ Dodged it, right there.

  89. Jake_Uzumaki September 2, 2014 at 6:55 pm -      #89

    “it while blind”

    with a spotter, if his teammates are willing to help him with that.

    And Manga is the original canon for FMA so I think that’s one of the things where when there’s a contradiction we go with the original canon.

  90. Ragnorke September 2, 2014 at 7:01 pm -      #90

    “Didn’t he need help though?”

    Help in the sense that he needed someone to tell him where the target was. But it proves he doesn’t need line of sight.

    Also, i found proof that he can ignite the air inside things like a dome.
    During his fight with Envy, he burns envys tongue, without affecting the outside of the mouth.
    He then burns envies eyes, and states that he ignited the fluid INSIDE the eyes.
    He then threatens Envy by saying he’s going to ignite his bone marrow.
    So, those 3 statements, prove his ignition isn’t projectile based at all. But rather it’s a “Ignite all molecules in this location”

    “^ Dodged it, right there.”

    I wasn’t arguing with the manga, just saying it’s shown to be instant in the show.

  91. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 2, 2014 at 7:07 pm -      #91

    “So, those 3 statements, prove his ignition isn’t projectile based at all.”

    We also have evidence to show that it is.

    The lightning trail it leaves that Lowk showed in this scan:

    z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/32/023-094.0/compressed/l094_20_fouramscan.jpg?v=11239404345

    Coincidentally also the one of your examples.

    And it’s been dodged before.
    =
    “I wasn’t arguing with the manga, just saying it’s shown to be instant in the show.”

    Pretty sure manga>anime in terms of canon.

  92. Ranger Lowk September 2, 2014 at 7:24 pm -      #92

    “Help in the sense that he needed someone to tell him where the target was. But it proves he doesn’t need line of sight.”

    He did note he was unable to anything else besides blast fire.
    On the dome thing he needed a openings.
    For that range thing, I was just noting dodging is useless for someone who makes explosions. I have no idea if that scene is canon to the manga. A few bits are different from the source material.

  93. Ragnorke September 2, 2014 at 7:30 pm -      #93

    “We also have evidence to show that it is.”

    the lightning trail can simply be the after effect of using Alchemy, it’s weird like that. It doesn’t mean the fire actually “travels”.
    Infact… i’m beyond 100% sure it doesn’t travel.
    Why would he make all the air particles on the way from his hand to his target all ignite? That makes no sense.

  94. sadot06 September 2, 2014 at 7:32 pm -      #94

    “I don’t think so, Zaheer’s good, but attacks that take bullet timers to dodge seems a bit out of his paygrade.”

    Bradley’s Bullet feat was anime only. And did you not see my post about Korra explosion timing? They’re a lot faster than you’re giving them credit for. Also Zaheer can fly, Mustang would be at a horrible disadvantage.

    “Right, but I don’t think she’d survive her eyes going boom.”
    =
    You’re missing the point. She’s proven very skilled at blocking and manipulating fire based attacks. Even the literally towering inferno rained down on her by the dragon.


    “IIRC Kakashi as a kid was able to do that, I’m sure by now most, if not all, shinobi are far above him when he did that.”
    =

    1. That was never shown, it was a statement made by Gai so it doesn’t count as a feat. He also made no mention of the age in which Kakashi allegedly did it.
    2. Kakashi is a mid-high tier character so no, most shinobi would be nowhere close to his level. He’s a legend for a reason. Most full grown shinobi are inferior to Kakashi at age 10.

    “And while you’re here, is the city abandoned?”

    Yes

  95. Ranger Lowk September 2, 2014 at 8:00 pm -      #95

    “Why would he make all the air particles on the way from his hand to his target all ignite? That makes no sense.”

    It doesn’t. Pretty sure that just the energy used that causes the transmutation. If you look at some of Ed transmutations short and long range you see it’s what making the changes.

  96. Ranger Lowk September 2, 2014 at 8:17 pm -      #96

    “Bradley’s Bullet feat was anime only.”

    No he has a bullet dodging feat
    z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/32/007-029.0/compressed/fma_v07c029p025.jpg?v=11192540806

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119340/3283982-6480481349-e14.j.jpg

    And apparently according to the sound effects he’s slashing bullets here
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119340/3283991-3427694603-n28.j.jpg
    ===
    He does however not have anything like slashing something like a round(is that what you call a tank projectile?) from a tank.

  97. Ragnorke September 2, 2014 at 8:27 pm -      #97

    “It doesn’t. Pretty sure that just the energy used that causes the transmutation.”

    Energy can move through solid objects, So…

  98. Ranger Lowk September 2, 2014 at 8:44 pm -      #98

    “Energy can move through solid objects, So…”

    Has Mustang or his attacks ever done that? From what I recall every thing he used his explosion on either were in the open or has had some kind of opening to get through. Can’t really recall him doing it through something.

  99. Ciridae Hunter September 2, 2014 at 9:05 pm -      #99

    @sadot06

    “Zaheer alone could take out Roy”

    With what, exactly? Will he smother Roy with his bending? Roy doesn’t need to breathe to snap his fingers and if Zaheer (assuming he knew exactly where Roy’s attack was coming from and when) dodged he would be forced to break his focus on smothering Roy (as seen in the finale Korra/Zaheer clash); all bending, unlike Roy’s (and basically any alchemist with a portable transmutation circle) unique alchemy which allows him to perform thought-based attacks with less time than Combustion Girl. It takes about 2-4 seconds to drain the air out of any victim’s lungs and considering Roy’s snapping can produce at least six times as many successful attacks (see Envy fight).

    Bending is not that fast nor is it generally as powerful unless one exerts physical effort/time constraints.

    Roy proves that no matter how strong the opponent is, a well-placed strike can end even the strongest of foes if one is fast enough to land it; the rest of the team is trivial (though the lava bender has a chance since he can shield himself with lava-the water bender is steamed human, Combustion Girl will have her head blown up again, and Zaheer is like the Death Star against Luke Skywalker: bigger, badder, and yet weaker due to design flaws-if benders were faster, then Team Lotus would have had the advantage, but you can thank Nick for their flaws.

  100. Ciridae Hunter September 2, 2014 at 9:17 pm -      #100

    A sniper needs to zero-in on their target-the same applies to Mustang (though less so since it’s like aiming a howitzer at a barn); he has to know something is there to target it-or at least it’s general direction.

    Get past Temari and the other team has a chance (though Roy can still spin & shoot since he carries a regulation pistol befitting his position/common sense of the Amestrian Military).

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