Team Anime Comics Vs Team Video Game Books

Team Anime Comics Vs Team Video Game Books

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Team Anime Comics:
Kaguya Otsutsuki (Naruto)
Sosuke Aizen (Bleach)
Killy (Blame!)
Bills (Dragon Ball Z)
Spawn
Ghost Rider (Marvel)
Doctor Fate (DC Comics)
Martian Manhunter

Going up against

Team Video Game Books:

God Emperor of Mankind (Warhammer 40K)
Richard Rahl (Sword of Truth)
Rand al’ Thor (Wheel of Time)
Darth Nihilus (Star Wars)
Bayonetta
Yasha (Asura’s Wrath)
Shadow the Hedgehog
Overlord Laharl (Disgaea)

Fight takes place in Mordor during the events of the third Lord of the Rings film. The starting point for both teams are the Mountains of Shadow. The first to secure the One Ring and return to the Mountains of Shadow wins for their team.

The One Ring will be defended by:

World War Hulk

Doomsday

Sinestro

Most recent incarnations.

Shadow can transform into his Super form three times.

Time can be slowed but not fully or nearly stopped.

Who wins?

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619 Comments on "Team Anime Comics Vs Team Video Game Books"

  1. wingedlion September 30, 2014 at 6:18 am -      #501

    “Yasha and Asura are like Thor-level?”

    asura is. yasha isn’t.

    “Hoping for some more info in regards to Bayo in the next few weeks”

    there’s actually already playthroughs on the new game right now if you wanted to know.

  2. Ragnorke September 30, 2014 at 10:22 am -      #502

    @Friendly
    ” I doubt his team would mindfuck him either, doesn’t seem in character for anyone at all.”

    MMH mindfucks his own allies for the greater good all the time.

    “Somehow I doubt the SoV just pops out every time a demon shows up.”

    That’s exactly when Zarathos pops up.
    And anyways, match rules state characters give everything they have to achieve victory… Why WOULDN’T Zarathos pop up? He’s a part of the ghost rider, the match rules apply to him just as much as they apply to johnny.

    “If only Rahl or Rand could actually hit anybody on Team 1 with their hax magic…”

    Is isn’t too hax in this match.
    Rahls magic simply sends people to hell, which is something GR & Spawn would laugh at.
    Rands magic works by affecting the threads of time, and people like Spawn have shown to exist “outside” of time alltogether.

    @AoO
    “Laharl, as I said before, would ram into team 1 before Ghost Rider gets into the sky to do that.”

    GR can react to people thousands of times faster than Laharl.
    Using his penance stare doesn’t take much.

    “Laharl is a half demon half human hybrid. How does being a demon=big sinner?”

    The penance stare makes you feel ALL the pain you have inflicted on others. The end.Whether you’re a sinner or not is irrelevant.
    Thor is said to have one of the purest souls in the Marvel universe, yet the penance stare still knocked him out.

    “It’s literally been Laharl vs. Ghost Rider. The rest of team 1 wouldn’t survive Laharl FTL ram.”

    Spawn can manipulate time enough to down right stop it… why can’t he manipulate it to simply slow it down?
    Now i know i know, he isn’t SHOWN to just slow it down.
    However, he didn’t use some artifact or some random plot device to do the feat… he did it by his own power…
    If someone has the power to stop time at will, i see no reason why he can’t slow it down as well.

    “Yes, she can slow time to the point where it seems like time isn’t moving.”

    So… Where’s the proof that this is just a time slow and not a time stop?
    The same can be said about Spawns time manipulation.

    @pimpmage
    “You are talking about speedblitzing team 2? Team 2 has time stops.”

    Team 1 has time stops too, and some other all more hax people.

  3. Cassie Hack September 30, 2014 at 10:33 am -      #503

    Bayo can stack her time slows, and even use them to slow time in a time slowed area that she herself wasn’t responsible for activating. It’s done quite a bit in her games actually.

  4. Ragnorke September 30, 2014 at 10:38 am -      #504

    @Cassie Hack
    Ah i see, thanks for the clarification.
    i don’t suppose there’s a way to measure her slows? and can she stop others from being affected by them… or does her team gets slowed as wel?

  5. Friendlysociopath September 30, 2014 at 11:48 am -      #505

    Well- if GR can be mind-raped, GEoM suddenly became very useful.
    Speaking of which, besides Mind-Rape, can’t the GEoM throw like star-busting amounts of power around?

  6. Ragnorke September 30, 2014 at 11:51 am -      #506

    “Well- if GR can be mind-raped, GEoM suddenly became very useful.”

    No, he dies in a fraction of a second just like most people in this match.

    “can’t the GEoM throw like star-busting amounts of power around?”

    I literally DARE you to prove this.

  7. Cassie Hack September 30, 2014 at 11:52 am -      #507

    It should be easy to calc if one is good enough at that type of thing, and I’ll need to play through it again for the second question.

  8. Jake_Uzumaki September 30, 2014 at 12:01 pm -      #508

    GEoM’s so called supernova level attack is hyperbole, the attack failed to destroy the ship they were in….a typical Warhammer ship takes much less to destroy than what a supernova puts out.
    That claim was disproved long ago in several different threads, Galactus vs GEoM, IoM vs GE, and others I think.

  9. Friendlysociopath September 30, 2014 at 12:07 pm -      #509

    “I literally DARE you to prove this.”

    I just read off the GEoM BankGambling wiki page, I assumed it had correct info.

    “No, he dies in a fraction of a second just like most people in this match”

    We’ve got people on either side that go FTL, not everyone is going to die in a fraction of a second. Particularly with possible time slows flying everywhere and one person who apparently exists in all times? (I do not understand Shadow one bit)

    And one attack that kills all life on a planet- but I don’t know how it works.

  10. Ragnorke September 30, 2014 at 12:27 pm -      #510

    “We’ve got people on either side that go FTL, not everyone is going to die in a fraction of a second”

    The thing is, not only are they FTL, but they are all easily planet busters and above.
    Therefore everyone that is not FTL, dies instantly.

    “Particularly with possible time slows flying everywhere ”

    Actually, i just asked Cassie Hack if bayo can control who her time slow affects, and she said she isn’t sure.
    Therefore, for all we know, it would affect everyone equally, making it irrelevant.
    Spawn on the other hand, can choose who to effect, which is a massive boost to people who are already ftl like MMH, GR, & Spawn.

    “and one person who apparently exists in all times? (I do not understand Shadow one bit)”

    Spawn doesn’t theoretically even exist in time. He should be completely unaffected by time slows.

    “And one attack that kills all life on a planet- but I don’t know how it works.”

    There are plenty of people here that can kill all life on a planet…

  11. Friendlysociopath September 30, 2014 at 12:33 pm -      #511

    “The thing is, not only are they FTL, but they are all easily planet busters and above.
    Therefore everyone that is not FTL, dies instantly.”

    Except they aren’t busting the planet as that would make everyone lose- they’re going to have to temper themselves. They need to get the One Ring and take it to a mountain.
    (Although in theory that means it would be extraordinarily easy for either team to stop the other from winning by just destroying the victory area)

    “Actually, i just asked Cassie Hack if bayo can control who her time slow affects, and she said she isn’t sure.
    Therefore, for all we know, it would affect everyone equally, making it irrelevant.
    Spawn on the other hand, can choose who to effect, which is a massive boost to people who are already ftl like MMH, GR, & Spawn.”

    Was thinking more about Shadow and GEoM, GEoM can reportedly do the same as Spawn.

    “There are plenty of people here that can kill all life on a planet…”

    I was referring to Nihilus and his whatever attack, everyone else can kill all life on the planet by destroying the planet- Nihilus can do it while leaving the planet (and thus the Ring) intact.

  12. Ragnorke September 30, 2014 at 12:41 pm -      #512

    “Except they aren’t busting the planet as that would make everyone lose- they’re going to have to temper themselves. ”

    Yes. BUT they will still kill every noneFTLplanetbuster in a millisecond.

  13. Rookie September 30, 2014 at 1:04 pm -      #513

    @Ragnorke

    Side question.
    If I am not mistaken you know alot about comics. I am currently looking for someone from comics (either DC or Marvel) to fight against Boros (OP-man) and Kaguya (Naruto).
    How do you think, can Boros (one-eyed alien) go against current Superman or should I use current Superboy or maybe I should use someone else?
    Boros feats (if you have the time, his fight against Saitama only 4 chapters long, skip the special. If you do not have time, then here’s a quick info: He punched Saitama to the moon, capable to take blows from Saitama (who destroyed life-wiping meteor with one punch), have regeneration and probably FTL (can fight and keep up in battle against Saitama, with only one hand): bato.to/read/_/245500/onepunch-man_ch34.4_by_nerieru-scans/9

  14. Ragnorke September 30, 2014 at 1:16 pm -      #514

    @Rookie
    I did a quick wiki search on Boros, and he looks like an extremely interesting character. I’ll definitely read up on him some more and let you know.

    As for the Kaguya, i think Rand would be a great match for her since they seem to be on the same speed & destructive scale.
    However, if you insist on comics, i’d recommend current Dr. Strange.
    Maybe even a free-for-all between the three?

  15. Rookie September 30, 2014 at 1:24 pm -      #515

    @Ragnorke

    “I did a quick wiki search on Boros, and he looks like an extremely interesting character. I’ll definitely read up on him some more and let you know.”

    I’l check this thread tomorrow then, gotta do some work today, sadly.

    “However, if you insist on comics, i’d recommend current Dr. Strange.”

    I don’t really mind, but I know zero about current Strange. What kind of hax he have so far?

    “Maybe even a free-for-all between the three?”

    Not really understand… you mean two vs two vs two? I am open for ideas though, if you could please explain more.

  16. Commander Cross September 30, 2014 at 1:37 pm -      #516

    I got a fight with someone from The World of Skulduggery Pleasant in mind, if it means anything.

    Before I say anything on it, does anyone go on Tumblr or Skype?

    Let’s just say for that particular resident, I’ve got plans in mind the minute anyone goes there, I could tell some of the plans and we can talk about the plans there.

    I’d wanna share the idea with Sadot05 by E-mail but before I do, I need to run it by anyone and everyone who’d want in on the plans.

  17. Ragnorke September 30, 2014 at 3:22 pm -      #517

    @Rookie
    ” I know zero about current Strange. What kind of hax he have so far?”

    The thing is, he needed to make a demonic pact to reach planet busting levels, and he has since gotten rid of that power. So he isn’t close to planet busting anymore.
    His current feats mostly just consist of magical power blasts capable of annoying the likes of Thor & Ghost Rider.
    When i say current incarnation, i mean using “Marvel Now”. Anything from before them is too hax.

    “Not really understand… you mean two vs two vs two? I am open for ideas though, if you could please explain more.”

    Oh, i meant Kaguya vs Rand vs Strange.
    They’re all city busting to say the least, all in the same speed category, and all have some form of hax magic.
    More similar people could be added i suppose.

  18. Ragnorke September 30, 2014 at 3:23 pm -      #518

    @Cross
    I have skype ^^ Raed Shafique (Ra2oodi), feel free to add me.

  19. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 30, 2014 at 3:31 pm -      #519

    “I disagree, but it matters not if Yasha is or is not.”

    Why wouldn’t it matter?
    =
    “How come nobody has brought up any feats for Yasha btw? I thought people in Asura were absurdly fast and strong?”

    I’ve brought two feats. One that shows Asura and Yasha being able to dodge 4.63x FTL blasts, and another that shows Yasha can tank punches from Asura that stopped a 7.something yottaton finger press.
    =
    “no he’s not.”

    I’m pretty sure there was a quote in the game that mentioned this. Yasha beat Asura and he was able to keep up with Berserker Asura.
    =
    “asura is. yasha isn’t.”

    I don’t see why Yasha wouldn’t be. The weakest of the 7 Deities was capable of producing a 7.something yottaton attack, and Yasha is a lot stronger than him.
    =
    “Oh, i meant Kaguya vs Rand vs Strange.
    They’re all city busting to say the least, all in the same speed category, and all have some form of hax magic.”

    Kaguya’s country level man(via powerscaling). Not sure bout the rest of the stats though.
    =
    I’m wondering what would be a good match for the Eight Guardian Generals at their strongest… Hmmm.

  20. Commander Cross September 30, 2014 at 3:39 pm -      #520

    If Current 616 SS Strange ever gets back up as Powerful as he once was, Pre-Not-Being-SS, if not far better than he was, before, he’d be far too much for most of Rand’s most powerful incarnations to fight except for Post-AMoL.
    Which would have gotten 616 SS Strange to go fuse with Eternity, so no promises if Rand goes for that.
    I have doubts Kaguya can fight the both of them at once, maybe if she waits for whichever one’s still left and weakened from fighting the other, but again no guarantees that’ll ever happen or even work.

    I really need to learn to be more forgiving, I can tell that Forgiveness isn’t one of my strengths.

    ____

    What about Malefant* or anyone else?
    If they want in, they can say it now.

    ____

    @CH1 at #519

    If you wanna get guys from Marvel, you can’t just get 616 Thor in there alone as it is.
    You also need more formidable people than just him if you wanna get FTL pros from Marvel over there.

    Either that, or go to Shin Megami Tensei and try YHVH.

    1.) (That Person with KOS-MOS from XenoSaga on their image at the moment?)

  21. Friendlysociopath September 30, 2014 at 3:44 pm -      #521

    “I don’t see why Yasha wouldn’t be. The weakest of the 7 Deities was capable of producing a 7.something yottaton attack, and Yasha is a lot stronger than him.”

    What’s a Yottaton?

  22. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 30, 2014 at 3:48 pm -      #522

    @Cross I wasn’t thinking just Marvel. Probably a team of guys on that level though are going to be needed to be powerful enough to take them down though.
    =
    “What’s a Yottaton?”

    Before I answer this, make sure to take it with a grain of salt(smaller than that actually). I am not a math or science guy(at least not to the level of people on FP). Make sure to wait for someone who is to confirm my statements after this.

    1 Yottaton=1*10^24 tons. In otherwords a very powerful explosion. The biggest nuke ever detonated IIRC was 50 megatons IIRC. 1 megaton=1*10^9 tons. So, in otherwords, that fingerpress was 1,4e17x more powerful than our biggest nuke.
    =
    www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacegunconvent.php

    I’ve seen TMWTA use this table a few times. According to that, at 7 zettatons(1e21 tons=1 zettaton)you can destroy the Earth. So, his finger press is 1,000x more powerful than that.

  23. Ragnorke September 30, 2014 at 3:55 pm -      #523

    @CH1
    “Kaguya’s country level man(via powerscaling). Not sure bout the rest of the stats though.”

    Umm… Kaguya’s a chick…
    And country level isn’t really out of Rand & Stranges league. That’s why i said “City busting to say the least”

  24. Ragnorke September 30, 2014 at 3:59 pm -      #524

    @Commander Cross
    “If Current 616 SS Strange ever gets back up as Powerful as he once was, Pre-Not-Being-SS, ”

    He’s still SS, but he’s just not as powerful as he used to be, for some unexplained reason.
    And anyways, old Strange was overwanked in my opinion. Still high tier, but overwanked.

    “Which would have gotten 616 SS Strange to go fuse with Eternity, so no promises if Rand goes for that.”

    Eternity = Outside help though.

  25. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 30, 2014 at 4:01 pm -      #525

    “Umm… Kaguya’s a chick…”

    I know, I was referring to you when I said man. Just forgot the comma at the end there.
    =
    “That’s why i said “City busting to say the least””

    It just made it sound like you were saying that’s where they were at.

  26. Ragnorke September 30, 2014 at 4:04 pm -      #526

    “I was referring to you when I said man. Just forgot the comma at the end there.”

    Ah.. i shoulda known, my bad.

    “It just made it sound like you were saying that’s where they were at.”

    Where they’re actually at is what should be done in the debate itself ^^

  27. Commander Cross September 30, 2014 at 4:14 pm -      #527

    @Ragnorke at #524

    It wasn’t until Marvel NOW that 616 Strange became SS again, and even then it’s well-noted that a hell of A LOT OF THINGS have changed when he wasn’t the SS anymore, and he’s also not as sharp and refined as he once was.
    Debatable, if anyone I’d know could fight Post-Timeskip Dark Schneider from that Bastard!? series or Original!-Tenchi Masaki*, it’s either 616 SS Strange at his better days or 616 Adam Warlock, quite frankly they’re the only ones I’d know who can fight both of the two and not just one or the other.
    Sure 616 Thor can fight Post-Timeskip Darsh, but can he fight Original!-Tenchi Masaki in the stated incarnations without dying all over the place?*

    I’m just saying The Eternity Option exists unless specified otherwise, Post-AMoL incarnations be barred otherwise.*

    ____

    @CH1 at #522

    You thought on adding Beta-Ray Bill from Marvel or Overlord Laharl from Disgaea then?
    One of the Hedgehogs from Sonic the Hedgehog could work if they be at their most Powerful.
    I just know it needs so much more than just them, because I’m not sure if Image Comics’ Spawn(either as Al Simmons or Jim Downing) would be enough either.
    You want Superman* or DC’s Captain Marvel on that list along with Wonder Woman?*

    1.) (Post-OVA 3, barring the Kami Form because that’d warrant Eternity’s involvement for sure.)
    2.) (That’s a good question I’d wanna see answered one of these days, and Both Dark Schneider and Original!-Tenchi have Auto-Shields of their own, and the latter of the two when he goes All-Out also negates Enemy Regeneration among other things.)
    3.) (Otherwise that noting’s not only dull but also pointless, given Post-AMoL Rand’s a Gamebreaker that bleeds, sweats and reeks HAX!)
    4.) (Please do specify if you want ‘Regular’ Comic Superman or if you want the Non-Standard HAX versions of Comic Supes insisted on.)
    5.) (You want ‘Regular’ DC’s Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman for Comic Incarnations, or do you want the Non-Standard Incarnations for both at their most Powerful?
    A Hell of a Difference as stated before.)

  28. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 30, 2014 at 4:34 pm -      #528

    “You thought on adding Beta-Ray Bill from Marvel or Overlord Laharl from Disgaea then?
    One of the Hedgehogs from Sonic the Hedgehog could work if they be at their most Powerful.”

    I was thinking more probably people who don’t have as many matches for them(but most likely comics since I don’t know too much about video game or book verses. Especially if owned by nintendo). Binary(Carol Danvers), Drax, Hyperion, Sentry, etc.
    =
    “I just know it needs so much more than just them, because I’m not sure if Image Comics’ Spawn(either as Al Simmons or Jim Downing) would be enough either.”

    Funnily enough, I was thinking probably Darkness or Spawn. Something from them would be good.
    =
    “You want Superman* or DC’s Captain Marvel on that list along with Wonder Woman?*”

    I don’t know, maybe. For sure Captain Marvel, but not sure bout Supes or WW.
    =
    “1.) (Post-OVA 3, barring the Kami Form because that’d warrant Eternity’s involvement for sure.)
    2.) (That’s a good question I’d wanna see answered one of these days, and Both Dark Schneider and Original!-Tenchi have Auto-Shields of their own, and the latter of the two when he goes All-Out also negates Enemy Regeneration among other things.)
    3.) (Otherwise that noting’s not only dull but also pointless, given Post-AMoL Rand’s a Gamebreaker that bleeds, sweats and reeks HAX!)
    4.) (Please do specify if you want ‘Regular’ Comic Superman or if you want the Non-Standard HAX versions of Comic Supes insisted on.)
    5.) (You want ‘Regular’ DC’s Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman for Comic Incarnations, or do you want the Non-Standard Incarnations for both at their most Powerful?
    A Hell of a Difference as stated before.)”

    And you lost me.
    =
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmz4z-mGOsE

    Yasha’s first fight with Asura(weakened after fighting Augus).
    =
    Second fight with Berserker Asura

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQizs0NrdkY

    IIRC the god Asura was holding on to was killed with two hits from Berserker Asura.

  29. Ragnorke September 30, 2014 at 4:39 pm -      #529

    So how about a not so popular planet busters free for all?
    People that only have a couple of matches (or no matches) on BankGambling.

  30. Commander Cross September 30, 2014 at 4:40 pm -      #530

    @CH1 at #528

    I used the Numbered Notes to prevent this kind of thing from happening.

    If anyone were writing a novel, they ought to be doing something like this below the pages to clear matters out. -_-

  31. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 30, 2014 at 4:42 pm -      #531

    “So how about a not so popular planet busters free for all?”

    *shrugs* I like team matches.

  32. Friendlysociopath September 30, 2014 at 5:34 pm -      #532

    “*shrugs* I like team matches.”

    There’ve been a lot of those recently

    I was thinking of putting Sora vs Ichigo one of these days

  33. Alpha or Omega September 30, 2014 at 6:41 pm -      #533

    “GR can react to people thousands of times faster than Laharl.
    Using his penance stare doesn’t take much.”
    /
    Yet, those people weren’t flying at those same speeds at Ghost Rider. They fought at cqc and weren’t being an FTL brick to him.
    Also, only Ghost Rider will survive. The rest of team 1 dies.
    /
    “The penance stare makes you feel ALL the pain you have inflicted on others. The end.Whether you’re a sinner or not is irrelevant.
    Thor is said to have one of the purest souls in the Marvel universe, yet the penance stare still knocked him out.”
    /
    Since when could the penance stare put out the pain inflicted as the same amount as Laharl’s attacks?
    Also, Laharl barely takes damage from his own attacks which are higher than what Thor can dish out.
    /
    “Spawn can manipulate time enough to down right stop it… why can’t he manipulate it to simply slow it down?
    Now i know i know, he isn’t SHOWN to just slow it down.
    However, he didn’t use some artifact or some random plot device to do the feat… he did it by his own power…
    If someone has the power to stop time at will, i see no reason why he can’t slow it down as well.”
    /
    That was old Spawn. New Spawn Jim Downing was shown to be several magnitudes below Al Simmons.

  34. Ragnorke September 30, 2014 at 6:50 pm -      #534

    “Yet, those people weren’t flying at those same speeds at Ghost Rider. They fought at cqc and weren’t being an FTL brick to him.”

    That’s the thing though… Lahral doesn’t fight at FTL either.
    He doesn’t swing his weapon at FTL, he doesn’t move at FTL to get into striking distance of his enemy, he doesn’t react to attacks and dodge them at FTL.

    He flys out of orbit, and then returns, at FTL.
    Sounds kinda similar to someone… oh right… THOR!

    For all we know, Laharl isn’t even CAPABLE of fighting at FTL, due to his reaction speed and combat skills.

    “Since when could the penance stare put out the pain inflicted as the same amount as Laharl’s attacks?”

    Since he beat the shit out of a Galaxy Buster.
    Let me guess, you think Laharl can galaxy bust now too?

    “Also, Laharl barely takes damage from his own attacks which are higher than what Thor can dish out.”

    Wait… How exactly can you prove he barely takes damage from his own attacks?
    And even so… the penance stare is going to make him take all the damage he has EVER done… goodluck surviving that.

    Thor survives due to the purity of his soul, which he has because of his godhood, aka plot shielding.
    What exactly does Laharl have to save his ass?

    “That was old Spawn. New Spawn Jim Downing was shown to be several magnitudes below Al Simmons.”

    Oh right, my bad.
    Shouldn’t they have access to the same powers though?

  35. Alpha or Omega September 30, 2014 at 7:20 pm -      #535

    “That’s the thing though… Lahral doesn’t fight at FTL either.
    He doesn’t swing his weapon at FTL, he doesn’t move at FTL to get into striking distance of his enemy, he doesn’t react to attacks and dodge them at FTL.”
    /
    But he rams people at FTL as shown by his attacks. It’s already acknowledged that he doesn’t fight at FTL, but moves at FTL to where he can use himself as a weapon with fist skills.
    /
    “He flys out of orbit, and then returns, at FTL.
    Sounds kinda similar to someone… oh right… THOR!”
    /
    Thor wasn’t doing this to Ghost Rider though
    /
    “For all we know, Laharl isn’t even CAPABLE of fighting at FTL, due to his reaction speed and combat skills.”
    /
    I never said that, I said he would ram team 1 at those speeds, killing team 1.
    /
    “Since he beat the shit out of a Galaxy Buster.
    Let me guess, you think Laharl can galaxy bust now too?”
    /
    Which wasn’t from the penance stare.
    Also, that’s with the use of powerscaling which isn’t reliable tbh.
    /
    “Wait… How exactly can you prove he barely takes damage from his own attacks?
    And even so… the penance stare is going to make him take all the damage he has EVER done… goodluck surviving that.”
    /
    Since the characters come out of all their attacks fine and dandy and use it on each other every game.
    I doubt the penance star is powerful as you claim it is. Where’s the proof it dishes out solar-system busting attacks.
    /
    “Thor survives due to the purity of his soul, which he has because of his godhood, aka plot shielding.
    What exactly does Laharl have to save his ass?”
    /
    The fact that hell-fire is used and sling everywhere. Hurts planet, star, and solar system busters/tankers, but doesn’t kill the main character.
    /
    “Oh right, my bad.
    Shouldn’t they have access to the same powers though?”
    /
    Maybe, but we usually assume they can’t do it unless it’s implied or shown.

  36. Friendlysociopath September 30, 2014 at 7:26 pm -      #536

    “For all we know, Laharl isn’t even CAPABLE of fighting at FTL, due to his reaction speed and combat skills.”

    Considering almost every attack past tier 3 in those game involves jumping off the planet- and the few that don’t have the character moving so fast you can’t follow them- he fights at least at hypersonic speed. Fists have you leaving afterimages behind yourself when you attack at rank 2, rank 1 of sword is that anime “Appear behind them with a slash” thing.

    “And even so… the penance stare is going to make him take all the damage he has EVER done… goodluck surviving that.”

    Hang on, I keep hearing two separate things for this- is it suffer the wrongs you’ve done or the pain? Wrongs is going to do nothing for Laharl as the people actively ask him to beat him up. Pain even still might not do anything, he admits he’s holding back a lot when he fights.

    “Wait… How exactly can you prove he barely takes damage from his own attacks?”

    I think he means every attack you’ve seen Laharl do is the amount of damage most Disgaea demons can pump out and in turn can hit Laharl with.

    “What exactly does Laharl have to save his ass?”

    Depends, does the Penance Stare cause pain to the body or the soul? Laharl’s soul is attacked all of the time, doesn’t really phase him. And to his body… he has a *really* sturdy body and he’s tanked a lot of pain before. One of the fist attacks in another game literally involves you sitting in a sun and beating up an opponent in it.

  37. Friendlysociopath September 30, 2014 at 7:35 pm -      #537

    Damn it, meant supersonic speed at minimum.

  38. Ragnorke September 30, 2014 at 7:35 pm -      #538

    “But he rams people at FTL as shown by his attacks. It’s already acknowledged that he doesn’t fight at FTL”

    Ok, so you’re acknowledging that he isn’t usually at FTL (because he definitely isn’t from what i’v seen)
    He only does it for specific attacks.
    So BETWEEN those attacks, why exactly can’t GR rip him a new asshole?

    “I never said that, I said he would ram team 1 at those speeds, killing team 1.”

    Except he doesn’t fight at those speeds…. So you’re assuming he’s going to pinball around from one to the other without stopping?
    And for the record, atmospheric speed and outside orbit speed are usually a little difference… a lot different…

    “Since the characters come out of all their attacks fine and dandy and use it on each other every game.”

    How would a character use his own attack on himself?
    That’s like saying just because say Captain Atom can create a universe busting attack, he can tank one too.
    That’s a fallacy if claimed without evidence…

    “Which wasn’t from the penance stare.”

    Why does he HAVE TO use the penance stare on Laharl? He doesn’t really need to.

    “Also, that’s with the use of powerscaling which isn’t reliable tbh.”

    I would agree, except that it’s with the use of multiple different powerscalings.
    Forexample, if GR just beat mephisto once, i would probably consider it PiS… however he beat mephisto tier characters PLENTY of times.
    Power-scaling perfectly applies in this situation.

    “I doubt the penance star is powerful as you claim it is. Where’s the proof it dishes out solar-system busting attacks.”

    It DOESN’T dish out solar-system busting attacks, but what it DOES do is make you feel all the pain you have ever dealt to others.
    There’s no ifs or buts here, there’s no way around it… It’s extraordinarily clear what it does.
    There is literally NO REASON at all Laharl should be immune to it.

    “The fact that hell-fire is used and sling everywhere. Hurts planet, star, and solar system busters/tankers, but doesn’t kill the main character.”

    None of that implies he would survive being dealt all the damage he has dealt to others.
    He has no plot shielding to protect him from the penance stare.
    And he has no elementalaly compatible defences that would even IMPLY him surviving the penance stare.

  39. Ragnorke September 30, 2014 at 7:39 pm -      #539

    @Friendly
    “Hang on, I keep hearing two separate things for this- is it suffer the wrongs you’ve done or the pain?”

    It revolves around pain. If a character ever said “wrongs” it was a metaphor for the pain you have caused.

    ” Pain even still might not do anything,”

    No proof that he can survive all the pain he has ever caused.
    In fact, even from a gameplay perspective… i’m pretty sure he can’t.

    “Depends, does the Penance Stare cause pain to the body or the soul? Laharl’s soul is attacked all of the time, doesn’t really phase him”

    Soul.
    And the easy answer to your second part would be that none of the attacks have ever had the same power of ALL the pain Laharl has ever inflicted.

  40. Friendlysociopath September 30, 2014 at 7:45 pm -      #540

    “In fact, even from a gameplay perspective… i’m pretty sure he can’t.”

    Eh, stick with realistic perspective- you do not want to say that’s impossible with Disgaea gameplay; believe me- it is.

    Laharl also has a BFR attack, for the record.

  41. Alpha or Omega September 30, 2014 at 7:59 pm -      #541

    “Ok, so you’re acknowledging that he isn’t usually at FTL (because he definitely isn’t from what i’v seen)
    He only does it for specific attacks.
    So BETWEEN those attacks, why exactly can’t GR rip him a new asshole?”
    /
    No, I clearly meant that he flies at FTL and rams others at FTL. Not that he fights at FTL like Superman
    Are you seriously using how an RPG works to say that he can only move FTL in attacks?
    /
    “Except he doesn’t fight at those speeds…. So you’re assuming he’s going to pinball around from one to the other without stopping?
    And for the record, atmospheric speed and outside orbit speed are usually a little difference… a lot different…”
    /
    He just needs to hit one team 1 member or the general area as I said before.
    /
    “How would a character use his own attack on himself?
    That’s like saying just because say Captain Atom can create a universe busting attack, he can tank one too.
    That’s a fallacy if claimed without evidence…”
    /
    How is it a fallacy?
    The character is in range of his own attack, and the other point I brought up is that other characters do attack each other with these attacks.
    /
    “I would agree, except that it’s with the use of multiple different powerscalings.
    Forexample, if GR just beat mephisto once, i would probably consider it PiS… however he beat mephisto tier characters PLENTY of times.
    Power-scaling perfectly applies in this situation.”
    /
    Yet, the fights themselves show no showing of speeds and power. For all we know, it’s reality warping that puts Mephisto at that tier while his durability or strength suck. Powerscaling isn’t reliable.
    /
    “It DOESN’T dish out solar-system busting attacks, but what it DOES do is make you feel all the pain you have ever dealt to others.
    There’s no ifs or buts here, there’s no way around it… It’s extraordinarily clear what it does.
    There is literally NO REASON at all Laharl should be immune to it.”
    /
    Which is the point I was making.
    Has the penance stare put out the pain of a single solar-busting attack which wasn’t shown at all?
    /
    “None of that implies he would survive being dealt all the damage he has dealt to others.
    He has no plot shielding to protect him from the penance stare.
    And he has no elementalaly compatible defences that would even IMPLY him surviving the penance stare.”
    /
    If it’s just the pain he has dealt to others, the penance stare wouldn’t be able to put out that much pain since it has never shown it at all.

  42. Alpha or Omega September 30, 2014 at 8:13 pm -      #542

    “Why does he HAVE TO use the penance stare on Laharl? He doesn’t really need to.”
    /
    Because that’s really the only reason he can harm him.
    /
    “Soul.”
    /
    Then why would his defense not be enough?
    He can defend against those attacks.

  43. Ragnorke September 30, 2014 at 8:21 pm -      #543

    “No, I clearly meant that he flies at FTL and rams others at FTL. Not that he fights at FTL like Superman”

    Therefore, while he’s not doing this… what’s stopping him from getting beaten by GR?

    “He just needs to hit one team 1 member or the general area as I said before.”

    Fair enough.

    “Yet, the fights themselves show no showing of speeds and power.”

    They most definitely have showings of power.
    How is knocking someone out that can tank solar-galaxy busting hits NOT a showing of power?

    ” For all we know, it’s reality warping that puts Mephisto at that tier while his durability or strength suck. ”

    This would make sense… if we literally didn’t know jack shit about mephisto…
    But we DO know plenty about him, and we know that he doesn’t do what he does by reality warping.
    This isn’t a statement made in a quote in some book, that we don’t know the details of… This is a SHOWING, which we do know the details of.

    “Powerscaling isn’t reliable.”

    It’s only not reliable if it includes PiS, or if it has missing details.
    Every other time, its perfectly viable. I would love for you to give me a decent reason for why it wouldn’t be reliable.
    I already mentioned why your above reasoning doesn’t apply here.

    “Has the penance stare put out the pain of a single solar-busting attack which wasn’t shown at all?”

    No, but then again, Laharl isn’t shown to actually destroy planets either.
    We know GR is capable of solar busting attacks, because he can brutally beat people that can tank that stuff like it’s nothing.
    It isn’t the scale of the attack that matters here, but rather its nature.

    Ghost Riders attack is a demonic soul based attack, it isn’t an explosion or a direct force, which does something very VERY specific.
    If you inflicted someone with pain, you then feel that pain.
    Ghost Riders limits don’t matter, since it isn’t ghost rider that’s making you feel that pain, it’s your soul.
    And even if Ghost Riders limits DID matter, his limits are FAR above Laharl.

    “If it’s just the pain he has dealt to others, the penance stare wouldn’t be able to put out that much pain since it has never shown it at all.”

    This makes no sense.

  44. Ragnorke September 30, 2014 at 8:24 pm -      #544

    “Because that’s really the only reason he can harm him.”

    Lol, you’re extremely wrong.
    What proof is there of Laharl being as durable as Mephisto or Galactus?
    Why on earth is the penance stare the only way GR can harm him?

    “Then why would his defense not be enough? He can defend against those attacks.”

    That’s a NLF.
    Has Laharl ever defended against an attack that deals all the damage Laharl has ever dealt back at him?

  45. Alpha or Omega September 30, 2014 at 8:43 pm -      #545

    “Therefore, while he’s not doing this… what’s stopping him from getting beaten by GR?”
    /
    Since, the team 1 people are dead after Laharl rams them, aka team mind rape, Ghost Rider can be sent to the future ny Shadow. Or, Laharl acts as a distraction while team 2 nabs the ring.
    /
    “They most definitely have showings of power.
    How is knocking someone out that can tank solar-galaxy busting hits NOT a showing of power?”
    /
    When did Mephisto or Ghost Rider show this? You really didn’t post the feats for mephisto on here. You posted GR fighting Blackheart, Strange, and Mephisto, but you didn’t show Mephisto taking that kind of attack.
    /
    “This would make sense… if we literally didn’t know jack shit about mephisto…
    But we DO know plenty about him, and we know that he doesn’t do what he does by reality warping.
    This isn’t a statement made in a quote in some book, that we don’t know the details of… This is a SHOWING, which we do know the details of.”
    /
    No feats for Mephisto was posted at all.
    /
    “It’s only not reliable if it includes PiS, or if it has missing details.
    Every other time, its perfectly viable. I would love for you to give me a decent reason for why it wouldn’t be reliable.
    I already mentioned why your above reasoning doesn’t apply here.”
    /
    As I said, it’s missing details such as speed or if it’s reality warping or if it’s durability/strength.
    /
    “No, but then again, Laharl isn’t shown to actually destroy planets either.
    We know GR is capable of solar busting attacks, because he can brutally beat people that can tank that stuff like it’s nothing.
    It isn’t the scale of the attack that matters here, but rather its nature.”
    /
    Actually, videos, dialogue, and descriptions have shown everyone in Disgaea is capable of planet busting, star busting, and solar-busting.
    You claimed that Penance stare is based off of the pain put out.
    I want proof that the penance stare can put out the same amount of pain Laharl does.
    /
    “Ghost Riders attack is a demonic soul based attack, it isn’t an explosion or a direct force, which does something very VERY specific.
    If you inflicted someone with pain, you then feel that pain.
    Ghost Riders limits don’t matter, since it isn’t ghost rider that’s making you feel that pain, it’s your soul.”
    /
    I understand that. What I’m saying is that can Ghost Rider even inflict that much pain as Laharl put out with the penance stare?
    /
    “And even if Ghost Riders limits DID matter, his limits are FAR above Laharl.”
    /
    If you prove that he has those limits.
    /
    “This makes no sense.”
    /
    Does the penance stare have the capability to inflict the same amount of pain that Laharl has done?
    /
    “Lol, you’re extremely wrong.
    What proof is there of Laharl being as durable as Mephisto or Galactus?
    Why on earth is the penance stare the only way GR can harm him?”
    /
    Ghost Rider never beat up Galactus who’s durability survived the destruction of the universe.
    Do you have proof that Mephisto can tank solar-busting attacks?
    Otherwise, I can just say that Laharl is way more durable than him.
    /
    “That’s a NLF.
    Has Laharl ever defended against an attack that deals all the damage Laharl has ever dealt back at him?”
    /
    The penance stare is a NLF
    You claimed it would put the same amount of pain Laharl has dished out. Where’s the proof?

  46. Ragnorke September 30, 2014 at 9:01 pm -      #546

    “You posted GR fighting Blackheart, Strange, and Mephisto, but you didn’t show Mephisto taking that kind of attack.”

    Either Lowk or Jake posted Mephistos fight with Galactus (who was going all out)

    “No feats for Mephisto was posted at all.”

    www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-454452-mephisto-respect-thread.html

    “As I said, it’s missing details such as speed or if it’s reality warping or if it’s durability/strength.”

    But it isn’t reality warping.

    “Actually, videos, dialogue, and descriptions have shown everyone in Disgaea is capable of planet busting, star busting, and solar-busting.”

    No. They haven’t shown them do it, they’ve claimed it’s possible.
    The only thing SHOWN is big flashy lights.
    Don’t get me wrong, i’m not saying he can’t, i think the claim along with the flashy video effects are viable enough… I’m just saying that the same should apply to GR.

    “I want proof that the penance stare can put out the same amount of pain Laharl does.”

    Actually, you would have to prove why it CANNOT do it.
    It’s like saying why would Richards Subtractive lightning work on Laharl, if it has never been shown to work on someone as strong as him.
    The thing is, it isn’t for Richard supports to prove that it WILL work on Laharl, but rather it’s up to you to prove why it WOULDN’T work on him.

    The nature of these attacks isn’t physical, therefore “durability” in the technical sense is irrelevant.
    Either Laharl has a REASON to be able to survive it, or he doesn’t.
    The burden of proof lies on you.

    “What I’m saying is that can Ghost Rider even inflict that much pain as Laharl put out with the penance stare?”

    One reason why it wouldn’t? Its wording is crystal clear, you’re trying to bring up an issue that doesn’t exist.
    This just brings me back to the Richard Rahl example.
    No, Richards substractive lightning hasn’t been shown to work on someone like Laharl… but WHY wouldn’t it work on him?

    We know the nature of the attack, and we know exactly what it does, so why on earth would Laharl be an exception?
    These attacks are not physical. Durability does not matter.
    Does Laharl, or does he not, have a defence against it?

    “The penance stare is a NLF”

    No it isn’t, not at all.
    It is based entirely on the person it is being used on.
    And unless you have the defences against it, you suffer the consequences of your actions.
    The reason high tier characters aren’t affected by it, is BECAUSE they have reality warping powers to protect themselves from it… Which Laharl does not.

    “You claimed it can match the same amount of pain Laharl has dished out.”

    And why wouldn’t it?
    It’s a magical soul based attack that makes the target feel all the pain he has ever dealt.
    Now listen to the wording carefully… it makes the TARGET FEEL all the pain he has dealt to others.
    It is based ENTIRELY on your enemies soul, and not on GR himself.
    There is literally 0 reason for it not to work on Laharl.

    “Do you have proof that Mephisto can tank solar-busting attacks?”

    Yes. Because he tanks multiple hits from a pissed off Galactus.
    That’s just as much proof as all the feats that have been provided for Laharl.

    The biggest issue here is that you think Laharl is out of GRs pay grade, and that hurting Laharl is out of the question.
    Even though you’v constantly been told that isn’t the case.
    GR does NOT NEED the penance stare. At all.

  47. Ragnorke September 30, 2014 at 9:08 pm -      #547

    Marvel Wikis definition of the stare:

    “The Stare causes the victim to feel all the pain they have caused others, emotionally and physically, leaving them in a catatonic state afterwards if the victim has caused enough pain.”

    The stare isn’t what deals the damage, GR isn’t the one that deals the damage.
    The stare just makes the victim feel all the damage that HE has dealt.

    Imagine a spell that makes you hit yourself on the head….
    You’re basically saying that spell wouldn’t work, because it has never been shown to work on someone that can hit as hard as Laharl hits…
    What you aren’t getting, is that you’re entire argument is irrelevant to the nature of the spell.

    Whether it has been shown to work on someone that can hit that hard or not has NO EFFECT on making the target hit himself on the head.

    The target needs to have defences against the actual spell, OR he needs defences against how hard he can hit himself on the head

    But saying that the spell won’t work, simply because it hasn’t been shown to work on someone as physically strong as the target, is complete and utter bullshit.

  48. Alpha or Omega September 30, 2014 at 9:35 pm -      #548

    “Either Lowk or Jake posted Mephistos fight with Galactus (who was going all out)”
    /
    On what page? I recall Jake posting Mephisto vs Ghost Rider.
    /
    “www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-454452-mephisto-respect-thread.html”
    /
    All the image shack links gave me “lost need directions”. Is it because I have to log in to KMC to see it?
    /
    “No. They haven’t shown them do it, they’ve claimed it’s possible.
    The only thing SHOWN is big flashy lights.
    Don’t get me wrong, i’m not saying he can’t, i think the claim along with the flashy video effects are viable enough… I’m just saying that the same should apply to GR.”
    /
    They didn’t claim it was possible. They outright stated it was casual.
    A weapon description(not a statement made by characters) says that it deals supernovas with each hit.
    Ghost Riders feats are different. It’s based on power scaling and who he beats up or fights.
    /
    “Actually, you would have to prove why it CANNOT do it.
    It’s like saying why would Richards Subtractive lightning work on Laharl, if it has never been shown to work on someone as strong as him.
    The thing is, it isn’t for Richard supports to prove that it WILL work on Laharl, but rather it’s up to you to prove why it WOULDN’T work on him.”
    /
    Richards subtractive lightning isn’t based on the opponents attacks while Ghost Rider’s penance stare is based off of how much pain an opponent dealt. I’m asking this, because everyone is Disgaea throws planet/star/solar busting attacks. At best, we seen it only knocked out Thor(who’s resistant to a degree) who deals starbusting attacks. Which means the penance star only deals that much pain.
    /
    “The nature of these attacks isn’t physical, therefore “durability” in the technical sense is irrelevant.
    Either Laharl has a REASON to be able to survive it, or he doesn’t.
    The burden of proof lies on you.”
    /
    And as I pointed out, he has taken hellfire attacks to his soul which Dualgunner and Friendly Sociopath posted proof of attacks and their description.
    /
    “One reason why it wouldn’t? Its wording is crystal clear, you’re trying to bring up an issue that doesn’t exist.”
    /
    So is the wording on the Hylian shield saying it’s invulnerable. We treat it as an NLF.
    /
    “This just brings me back to the Richard Rahl example.
    No, Richards substractive lightning hasn’t been shown to work on someone like Laharl… but WHY wouldn’t it work on him?”
    /
    Richards subtractive lightning=/=Penance Stare
    The wording says it’s based off of the pain Laharl has dealt. Subtractive lightning doesn’t.
    Do we have proof it can match Laharl’s amount of pain that he dished out in several games doing planet, star, and solar busting attacks?
    /
    “We know the nature of the attack, and we know exactly what it does, so why on earth would Laharl be an exception?
    These attacks are not physical. Durability does not matter.
    Does Laharl, or does he not, have a defence against it?”
    /
    You said it attacks his soul. Laharl has dealt with attacks to the soul as the hell-fire description and what FS pointed out.
    /
    “No it isn’t, not at all.
    It is based entirely on the person it is being used on.”
    /
    That’s still doesn’t excuse it from not being a NLF.
    Has it shown to put out the same amount of pain Laharl deals.
    /
    “And unless you have the defences against it, you suffer the consequences of your actions.
    The reason high tier characters aren’t affected by it, is BECAUSE they have reality warping powers to protect themselves from it… Which Laharl does not.”
    /
    Hell-fire is pointed out and Laharl’s soul is attacked everyday, How would penance stare be any different?
    /
    “And why wouldn’t it?
    It’s a magical soul based attack that makes the target feel all the pain he has ever dealt.
    Now listen to the wording carefully… it makes the TARGET FEEL all the pain he has dealt to others.
    It is based ENTIRELY on your enemies soul, and not on GR himself.”
    /
    And I get that.
    However, it doesn’t change the fact that it hasn’t shown to do the same amount of pain Laharl has dished. At best, it did to Thor.
    /
    “There is literally 0 reason for it not to work on Laharl.”
    /
    I’m not saying it wouldn’t work. I’m saying he would shrug it off. Sure, it would hurt but it won’t kill.
    /
    “Yes. Because he tanks multiple hits from a pissed off Galactus.
    That’s just as much proof as all the feats that have been provided for Laharl.”
    /
    Is it possible for you to show me a respect thread where I don’t have to log-in to that site?

  49. Alpha or Omega September 30, 2014 at 9:50 pm -      #549

    “The biggest issue here is that you think Laharl is out of GRs pay grade, and that hurting Laharl is out of the question.
    Even though you’v constantly been told that isn’t the case.
    GR does NOT NEED the penance stare. At all.”
    /
    You’ve constantly told me this WITHOUT posting proof that Mephisto can tank multi-solar busting attacks until a little bit latter…with a respect thread where I have to log in in order to see the scans. Do you think I’m suppose to believe you with only power scaling and no scans?
    /
    “The Stare causes the victim to feel all the pain they have caused others, emotionally and physically, leaving them in a catatonic state afterwards if the victim has caused enough pain.”
    /
    Okay, I now get what you’re saying, but defenses on the soul should still prevent it from making Laharl feeling all the pain.
    Thor’s soul was pure so he was only knocked out.
    Laharl on the other hand takes soul-attacks in each game so he shouldn’t feel all the pain.

  50. wingedlion October 1, 2014 at 1:42 am -      #550

    @CH
    asura wasn’t thor level before his powerup, as he still wasn’t FTL yet iirc. and yasha only ever won against a weakened asura. when they finally showed a fight when they were both in top condition, it ended in a draw.

  51. Commander Cross October 1, 2014 at 1:54 am -      #551

    Guys and ghouls, do us all a favor on the following so we can go talk some more about Fighting plans, and it also describes my current Mind-set for the night while we’re at it:

    Wake Me Up When September Ends!

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci5D5r6ZjXA

  52. Rookie October 1, 2014 at 2:19 am -      #552

    @Ragnorke

    “Oh, i meant Kaguya vs Rand vs Strange.
    They’re all city busting to say the least, all in the same speed category, and all have some form of hax magic.
    More similar people could be added i suppose.”

    Idea deserves a chance IMO. I’l suggest this later today.
    I think three is enough.
    Book, Manga, Comics and all of that, you know)))
    Video Game could also be added, but… I don’t know any good candidate for this.
    Kefka… Exdeath… composite Ganondorf, no he can’t be here, not in Composite form at least, I already suggested him as a one of two bad guys in adventures vs Ganondorf and…
    I just don’t know.

  53. Commander Cross October 1, 2014 at 2:29 am -      #553

    @Rookie at #552

    If you go on Skype, I have some plans I’d like to share with you if I can find you in there.

    Total Composite Ganondorf is actually Possible, though against Rand al’Thor, even I won’t hold my breath as Balefire will cock up his day if he gets hit.

    I’m not too sure how Hyrule Warriors!-Ganondorf fares though.

    ___

    In any case, if you go on Tumblr or Skype, I’d hope to find you ASAP, you hear me?

  54. Rookie October 1, 2014 at 3:10 am -      #554

    @Commander Cross

    “In any case, if you go on Tumblr or Skype, I’d hope to find you ASAP, you hear me?”

    Ok, but it was years (2), since I used Skype. Should I someday soon return to it I’l find you.

    “Total Composite Ganondorf is actually Possible”

    Sure he is. But you need DnD mage or someone as broken as Rand to fight him.

  55. Ragnorke October 1, 2014 at 11:09 am -      #555

    @AoO
    “Is it because I have to log in to KMC to see it?”

    Whoops, possibly

    “Ghost Riders feats are different. It’s based on power scaling and who he beats up or fights.”

    Which still qualify as viable feats for strength & durability.
    1. if you take hits from a planet buster (an enraged one at that), it suggests you can tank planet busters.
    2. If you beat the shit out of someone that can casually tank planet busting hits, it suggests you can hit harder than planet busting hits.
    This is the very basis of VALID powerscaling.

    “Hell-fire is pointed out and Laharl’s soul is attacked everyday, How would penance stare be any different?”

    Can you prove the hell-fire hits as hard as all of the pain Laharls has ever caused combined?
    I’m willing to bet the answer is no…

    “Okay, I now get what you’re saying, but defenses on the soul should still prevent it from making Laharl feeling all the pain.”

    It would reduce it to a degree… but why would it prevent it completely?
    Are you saying Lahral is IMMUNE to soul attacks? because that’s kinda no-limit-fallacy…
    He’s resistant to it, sure, but he’s never been hit by a soul attack as hard as the Penance Stare will effect him.

    “Thor’s soul was pure so he was only knocked out.”

    Yes.. his soul was PURE, due to being an Asgardian, which are the Marvel Universes natural counters to Demons. It was a perfect example of plot-shielding.
    Since when does Laharl have a pure soul?

  56. Ragnorke October 1, 2014 at 11:14 am -      #556

    The scans don’t make much sense out of context, but i think you can get the general idea…
    Galactus even claims that if the fight continues, the ENTIRE universe would come to an end.

    media.animevice.com/uploads/0/6253/299921-3_mephisto_vs_galactus_super.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/36657/1442137-606739_mephistobattlesgalactusan2_super.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/2849119-mephisto_vs_galactus__1_.png
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/2850465-mephisto_vs_galactus__6_.png

  57. Ragnorke October 1, 2014 at 11:42 am -      #557

    Start of the fight:
    media.animevice.com/uploads/0/6253/299922-4_mephisto_vs_galactus_super.jpg

    End of the fight (Mephisto won, however Galactus threatened to consume his world. which mephisto didn’t want… so he let go of the heralds):
    media.animevice.com/uploads/0/6253/299928-10_mephisto_vs_galactus_super.jpg

  58. Jake_Uzumaki October 1, 2014 at 12:29 pm -      #558

    This isn’t the only time Galactus and someone of his level have threatened to destroy the universe by throwing down either, Galactus and two others on that tier threw down recently and it threatened to destroy the universe so Thor Silver Surfer and one of the others heralds had to step in to call time out before everyone died.

  59. Friendlysociopath October 1, 2014 at 12:40 pm -      #559

    “It would reduce it to a degree… but why would it prevent it completely?
    Are you saying Lahral is IMMUNE to soul attacks? because that’s kinda no-limit-fallacy…
    He’s resistant to it, sure, but he’s never been hit by a soul attack as hard as the Penance Stare will effect him.”

    Laharl would absolutely be hurt, he’s resistant to Soul attacks, not immune- just cause he laughs off all the attacks in his game doesn’t mean they don’t work; it just means none of them have the “oomph” to beat his defenses.
    Would it kill him? Probably not, he seldom kills his enemies so the total amount of pain he’s dished out would likely not be on a level he can’t live through. It would likely KO or injure him though- probably enough to remove him from the fight for a time period. Time shenanigans make this period… annoyingly variable.

    “Since when does Laharl have a pure soul?”

    What are the prerequisites for a ‘pure’ soul? If it just means you need Asgardian parents (PIS) then no, Laharl doesn’t have that.

  60. Ragnorke October 1, 2014 at 12:41 pm -      #560

    And the thing is, USUALLY i would say Ghost Rider beating someone of that tier is complete PiS… Because majority of his showings aren’t anywhere near that scale.

    But he hasn’t just beaten Mephisto once, he has done it a couple of times, without any plot-devices.
    Furthermore, he has beaten Mephisto tier demon lords (like Lucifer) dozens of times.
    So no, it isn’t PiS at all. A pissed off Ghost Rider truly is on that scale when he wants to be.

    Some feats for the power-scaling we’re using, just to clear things up:
    1. Starving galactus, at his weakest, destroyed 3 solar systems in a hit.
    2. Full galactus, destroyed a universe.
    3. Average galactus shurgs off attacks from a pissed off Odin, more than once.
    4. Pissed off Odin has shown to destroy MULTIPLE galaxies (all around the universe) from the force of his hits.
    5. That easily puts Average Galactus at galaxy busting… to say the least.
    6. Mephisto beats Galactus at an epic one-on-one fight. Galactus admits to having lost, and resorts to threatening to eat the world.
    7. That puts Mephisto at the same tier as Starving-Average Galactus.
    8. Ghost Rider has beaten the crap out of Mephisto more than once, and has beaten similar demon lords more than once.

  61. Ragnorke October 1, 2014 at 12:46 pm -      #561

    @Friendly
    “What are the prerequisites for a ‘pure’ soul? If it just means you need Asgardian parents (PIS) then no, Laharl doesn’t have that.”

    Well, in that specific case, it was because Thor was an Asgardian.
    Mephisto even mentions something along the lines of: “Damn you and your asgardian purity!” or something similar.

    Also, Dr. Strange has shown to have soul defences on multiple occasions throughout his career.
    Ghost Riders penance stare STILL knocked out an enraged Dr. Strange.
    And keep in mind this is someone that has survived the destruction of half a universe, and lots of crazy bullshit like that. (in short, his Durability is leagues above Laharls)

  62. Commander Cross October 1, 2014 at 12:55 pm -      #562

    616 SS Strange has always been Boss, if he were anything less than that Pre-Marvel NOW, it would be very sad to say the least. :(

    I really hope 616 SS Strange will return to the swing of things and hopefully be far better than he was, in the past.

    Also to be fair, 616 SS Strange, Pre-Marvel NOW!, was taken by surprise by 616 Ghost Rider.

    When 616 Ghost Rider goes All-out at Maximum Power, it’s a good time to start running.

    Overlord Laharl will have to go All-out against 616 Ghost Rider, which is where the intrigue will happen.

  63. Ragnorke October 1, 2014 at 1:00 pm -      #563

    “Also to be fair, 616 SS Strange, Pre-Marvel NOW!, was taken by surprise by 616 Ghost Rider.”

    True, but Dr. Strange was given time to respond…
    Ghost Rider was speaking a few threatening words, and Strange replied and tried to calm him down.

    Once the fight began, Strange said he was going to go all out, and not hold back…
    Didn’t help diddly squat against the Penance Stare.

  64. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 1, 2014 at 2:46 pm -      #564

    “asura wasn’t thor level before his powerup, as he still wasn’t FTL yet iirc.”

    He was still dodging Vlitra’s blasts even without going Six Armed Vajra. There’s nothing to suggest that the blasts have gotten faster since then, just more powerful. So, Six Armed Vajra, Berserker, and Mantra should all be faster than that(reaction times anyways, I don’t think he could fly FTL).
    =
    “and yasha only ever won against a weakened asura.”

    Asura didn’t seem particularly slowed down by the loss of his arms. And Yasha was no selling his kicks.
    =
    “when they finally showed a fight when they were both in top condition, it ended in a draw.”

    Against Berserker Asura? Yasha was holding his own and then he got a powerup halfway through the fight and he was gaining the upper hand.
    =
    I’m going to have to go through the game, but I remember a quote from Deus or one of the 7 Deities that Yasha>Asura. That might not be applicable towards the end of the game(non DLC), but in the beginning it would be.

  65. wingedlion October 1, 2014 at 6:31 pm -      #565

    “He was still dodging Vlitra’s blasts even without going Six Armed Vajra. There’s nothing to suggest that the blasts have gotten faster since then, just more powerful. So, Six Armed Vajra, Berserker, and Mantra should all be faster than that(reaction times anyways, I don’t think he could fly FTL).”

    well first of, i was actually talking about movement. secondly, vitra’s blasts were FTL? was this calced?

    “Asura didn’t seem particularly slowed down by the loss of his arms. And Yasha was no selling his kicks.”

    he just destroyed wyzen using all of his arms and was nearly unconscious afterwards. he was nowhere near top condition.

    “Against Berserker Asura? Yasha was holding his own and then he got a powerup halfway through the fight and he was gaining the upper hand.”

    just a few days ago asura was hit by a giant death ray powered by millions of souls. so i wouldn’t exactly call that fight asura at his best.
    furthermore that wasn’t the fight i was talking about. right before yasha dies, when they flashback into the past, they showed asura and yasha fighting each other, and it ended in a draw.

    “I’m going to have to go through the game, but I remember a quote from Deus or one of the 7 Deities that Yasha>Asura. That might not be applicable towards the end of the game(non DLC), but in the beginning it would be.”

    the problem with this is that they already proved themselves equals in the past. so deus is probably full of shit. in fact iirc deus actually taught yasha himself so i wouldn’t be surprised if he said that.

    @ragnorke
    “When i say current incarnation, i mean using “Marvel Now”. Anything from before them is too hax.”

    i told myself i was going to respond to this, but completely forgot.
    anyways, since marvel now isn’t a retcon, things from the past should apply to him. so in current incarnation he should still have access to those feats in the past as SS (despite him not showing it for whatever stupid reason).
    iirc thor doesn’t really show any hax in marvel now, and yet we still use those abilities for him despite that.( unless of course, you were saying that we should only use his feats from marvel now for the match itself. if that’s the case, then just ignore everything i just said).

    “And anyways, old Strange was overwanked in my opinion. Still high tier, but overwanked.”

    really? that’s weird. i don’t necessarily remember that. who overwanked him?

  66. Ragnorke October 1, 2014 at 6:44 pm -      #566

    “anyways, since marvel now isn’t a retcon, things from the past should apply to him. so in current incarnation he should still have access to those feats in the past as SS”

    The fact of the matter is that he has been nerfed. You can have a blind eye towards it, you can deny it, but it still happened.

    I specifically told Cross to use ONLY Marvel Now incarnation, meaning ONLY feats from Marvel Now would apply.
    BankGambling rules state Match rules are supreme.
    If cross makes a match, and states to have only Marvel Now Strange in use, then it’s only Marvel Now Strange.
    Any content from before is not taken into consideration.

    I was very specific with my wording. So why the misunderstanding or disagreement?

    “really? that’s weird. i don’t necessarily remember that. who overwanked him?”

    Plenty of people have overwanked him, including Cross & You…
    And funnily enough, to this day, i have yet to see ANY good unamped feats of him on this site.
    We’ve been over this time and time again, and it always ends without the feats being provided.

    Edit: Totally missed this part: “then just ignore everything i just said).”
    My bad.

  67. Ragnorke October 1, 2014 at 6:49 pm -      #567

    @wingedlion
    Although i gotta say (and i have said this before), Strange has had some extremely bad ass showings… But they’re factually outweighed by the amount of bad showings that he has, while unamped.

  68. wingedlion October 1, 2014 at 6:49 pm -      #568

    “The fact of the matter is that he has been nerfed. You can have a blind eye towards it, you can deny it, but it still happened.”

    he was nerfed. and then he got his power back. i’m not having a blind eye towards anything. i’m just stating what should be done in a match.

    “I specifically told Cross to use ONLY Marvel Now incarnation, meaning ONLY feats from Marvel Now would apply.”

    that’s all you had to say.

    “Plenty of people have overwanked him, including Cross & You…
    And funnily enough, to this day, i have yet to see ANY good unamped feats of him on this site.
    We’ve been over this time and time again, and it always ends without the feats being provided.”

    except i never wanked him. how did i wank him?
    i already told you why feats can’t be shown. they aren’t working.
    i don’t see how that means i’m wanking him.

    “Strange has had some extremely bad ass showings… But they’re factually outweighed by the amount of bad showings that he has, while unamped.”

    but their not though.
    most of these bad showings have only happened in marvel now.

  69. Ragnorke October 1, 2014 at 7:03 pm -      #569

    “he was nerfed. and then he got his power back.”

    …No, not really.
    He needed to make a demonic pact just to reach planet busting levels, which he said he would never do again.
    How on earth is that getting his power back?

    “most of these bad showings have only happened in marvel now.”

    I provided quite a long list in the Necron Lord vs Ghost Rider thread, only the last couple were from Marvel Now.

  70. wingedlion October 1, 2014 at 7:25 pm -      #570

    “…No, not really.
    He needed to make a demonic pact just to reach planet busting levels, which he said he would never do again.
    How on earth is that getting his power back?”

    i meant officially. officially he got his powers back. why their writing him to be so weak he needs to make a pact with a demon is beyond me.

    “I provided quite a long list in the Necron Lord vs Ghost Rider thread, only the last couple were from Marvel Now”

    fair enough.

  71. Commander Cross October 1, 2014 at 7:51 pm -      #571

    I didn’t wank 616 SS Strange outright, either!
    I don’t remember doing that, all I recalled was looking up what I found on ComicVine and even then, I’ve noted that 616 Galactus was a lot less Powerful than he currently is as The Butcher Fleet of Worlds when 616 SS Strange(Pre-Marvel NOW!) Brain-washed him, I already noted that 616 SS Strange can be taken by surprise as well.

    I also never even claimed that 616 SS Strange at his Most Powerful Incarnations* would beat Every Superman version Ever, I just
    noted that most of the Non-Standard Supes* would be a lot more difficult to go duke it out with, but 616 SS Strange* vs. Regular Comic!-Superman’s 616 Strange’s fight to lose 1-vs-1.

    I am NOT Mike Rahl, dang it! :evil:

    WHAT I AM is someone who’s fed up with being duped, back-stabbed, conspired against and detesting the fact I’m still here instead of somebody else, the only reason I’m still here is due to a Personal Mission in this site I gotta deal with before I even think of leaving on my own terms!
    Simple as that.

    Repression of any kind SUCKS ASS!

    1.) (With or Without Eternity Infusements)
    2.) (Superman Gold/Prime 1 Million, Superboy Prime, Silver Age Supes with The Sword of Superman, etc.)
    3.) (Pre-Marvel NOW and Still before Strange stopped being the SS Post-World War Hulk!)

  72. Alpha or Omega October 1, 2014 at 7:57 pm -      #572

    “Which still qualify as viable feats for strength & durability.
    1. if you take hits from a planet buster (an enraged one at that), it suggests you can tank planet busters.
    2. If you beat the shit out of someone that can casually tank planet busting hits, it suggests you can hit harder than planet busting hits.
    This is the very basis of VALID powerscaling.”
    /
    I’m aware, but we hardly see that in some fights.
    /
    “Can you prove the hell-fire hits as hard as all of the pain Laharls has ever caused combined?
    I’m willing to bet the answer is no…”
    /
    No, but I meant to dampen the effects of penance stare, not take all of it.
    /
    “It would reduce it to a degree… but why would it prevent it completely?
    Are you saying Lahral is IMMUNE to soul attacks? because that’s kinda no-limit-fallacy…
    He’s resistant to it, sure, but he’s never been hit by a soul attack as hard as the Penance Stare will effect him.”
    /
    I meant to say some. My bad.
    /
    “Yes.. his soul was PURE, due to being an Asgardian, which are the Marvel Universes natural counters to Demons. It was a perfect example of plot-shielding.
    Since when does Laharl have a pure soul?”
    /
    Which is a type of defense to soul attack, so Laharl’s soul should be able to take some of it as well.
    /
    “The scans don’t make much sense out of context, but i think you can get the general idea…
    /
    We see them sling attacks at each other, but do we ever see them hit each other with it?
    They look like they’re doing more collateral damage than hitting each other. The second scan looks like he bent Galactus’s blast.
    /
    “Galactus even claims that if the fight continues, the ENTIRE universe would come to an end.”
    /
    IF the fight continues, and we don’t know the time frame. We still see many galaxies in later Marvel stories, do we not?
    Besides, that’s Silver Surfer saying it, not Galactus.
    I don’t remember Galactus having silver-colored narrative boxes or calling someone else “former” master.
    /
    Also, is this Mephisto’s(Not Ghost Rider, Mephisto) only showing against Galactus?
    We can easily say that it was P.I.S. that he managed to go toe to toe Galactus.
    /
    “End of the fight (Mephisto won, however Galactus threatened to consume his world. which mephisto didn’t want… so he let go of the heralds):”
    /
    While irrelevant to this thread, I’m pretty sure that was a stalemate since Galactus can’t kill Mephisto in that realm and Mephisto didn’t do anything to Galactus.
    Though, I guess you can say Mephisto won since Galactus stopped fighting first.

  73. Ragnorke October 1, 2014 at 8:08 pm -      #573

    “We see them sling attacks at each other, but do we ever see them hit each other with it?”

    So you’re saying Galactus fell on his ass caus he tripped? You know better than that…
    It’s a comic scan after all, you might not get to see EXACTLY the punch or kick that you would like, but power-scaling does apply here.

    “IF the fight continues, and we don’t know the time frame. We still see many galaxies in later Marvel stories, do we not?”

    I already know the fight doesn’t continue… i never said it does.
    The fact of the matter remains, both of the 2 would have survived while entire galaxies crash and burn around them, until the eventual end of the universe itself.

    “Besides, that’s Silver Surfer saying it, not Galactus.”

    Indeed, my bad. Although the Surfer does have a fantastic (and proven) degree of nigh-omniscience.
    So the claim should be taken as valid.

    “Also, is this Mephisto’s only showing against Galactus?
    We can easily say that it was P.I.S. that he managed to go toe to toe Galactus.”

    Both characters have always been at a similar cosmic heirchy… Why would it be PiS?

    Would it be PiS for characters like Captain America, Wolverine, Iron Fist, Black Panther, Spiderman (and other street level heroes) to beat each other?
    Ofcourse not, they have a close enough cosmic scale, so that any one of them can beat any other on a good day, and lose to any other on a bad day.

    “I’m pretty sure that was a stalemate since Galactus can’t kill Mephisto in that realm and Mephisto didn’t do anything to Galactus.”

    Galactus was on his ass…

  74. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 1, 2014 at 8:22 pm -      #574

    “secondly, vitra’s blasts were FTL? was this calced?”

    I posted a calc showing they were moving a little over 4x FTL.
    =
    ” he was nowhere near top condition.”

    Which was shown when he was attacking Yasha as if nothing really happened.
    =
    “just a few days ago asura was hit by a giant death ray powered by millions of souls.”

    That seemed to do nothing but piss him and make him stronger.
    =
    “the problem with this is that they already proved themselves equals in the past.”

    So? Things could’ve changed since then.
    =
    “so deus is probably full of shit. in fact iirc deus actually taught yasha himself so i wouldn’t be surprised if he said that.”

    Yasha was taught by Augus and Deus both. Still doesn’t change the fact that he would know better than we would about both’s abilities and where they are in comparison to one another.

  75. Alpha or Omega October 1, 2014 at 8:23 pm -      #575

    “So you’re saying Galactus fell on his ass caus he tripped? You know better than that…
    It’s a comic scan after all, you might not get to see EXACTLY the punch or kick that you would like, but power-scaling does apply here.”
    /
    Where?
    None of those scans you posted show Galactus getting hit or is there a scan you didn’t post yet?
    /
    “I already know the fight doesn’t continue… i never said it does.
    The fact of the matter remains, both of the 2 would have survived while entire galaxies crash and burn around them, until the eventual end of the universe itself.”
    /
    While I am aware of other feats showing Galactus showing durability of one or two universes being destroyed, it looked like it had an affect on the main universe than Mephisto’s realm which is an interdimension.
    /
    “Indeed, my bad. Although the Surfer does have a fantastic (and proven) degree of nigh-omniscience.
    So the claim should be taken as valid.”
    /
    Alright, that makes sense.
    /
    “Both characters have always been at a similar cosmic heirchy… Why would it be PiS?”
    /
    Since when have they have been in a similar cosmic hierarchy?
    Even if they are, that could be due to one factor being higher than normal.
    /
    “Would it be PiS for characters like Captain America, Wolverine, Iron Fist, Black Panther, Spiderman (and other street level heroes) to beat each other?”
    Ofcourse not, they have a close enough cosmic scale, so that any one of them can beat any other on a good day, and lose to any other on a bad day.”
    /
    In all honesty, Wolverine shouldn’t have been in that same level(when he had the healing factor). He has adamantium bones and a hax healing factor.
    I guess you can say he fits in that level currently though.
    /
    “Galactus was on his ass…”
    /
    When?
    Or do you mean that figuratively? I disagree since the battle would’ve lasted until the end of the universe.The only reason why Galactus stopped was because it would’ve prolonged the fight and Silver Surfer gave him an idea which would give the Heralds back to Galactus without fighting anymore.

  76. wingedlion October 1, 2014 at 8:36 pm -      #576

    “I posted a calc showing they were moving a little over 4x FTL.”

    fair enough.

    “Which was shown when he was attacking Yasha as if nothing really happened.”

    all that means is that asura has godlike endurance.
    that doesn’t really changed what i said. he was not in top condition.

    “That seemed to do nothing but piss him and make him stronger.”

    not only was he clearly unconscious after that beam hit him, but even afterwards when he killed sergey and fought yasha he was nowhere near the level of strength that he was when he got blasted. so he didn’t get stronger. angrier probably but not stronger.
    as i said earlier, all this proves is that asura has amazing endurance and willpower.

    “So? Things could’ve changed since then.”

    but nothing has been shown to change.
    literally every fight but the one in the past is either with a weakened asura or a dying yasha.
    the fight is the only time we see them at optimum condition, and it was a draw.

    “Yasha was taught by Augus and Deus both. Still doesn’t change the fact that he would know better than we would about both’s abilities and where they are in comparison to one another.”

    i’m pretty certain augus taught asura while deus taught yasha. and in one of the little mini-stories before the missions it was shown that both augus and deus where curious to see which of their appretinces is stronger. so yeah, i’m pretty sure we can’t just trust deus’s word like that.
    besides, it doesn’t matter, since asura and yasha did fight, and it ended in a draw, meaning deus was clearly wrong.

  77. Ragnorke October 1, 2014 at 8:53 pm -      #577

    “Since when have they have been in a similar cosmic hierarchy?”

    There was actually a scan, where IG Thanos was talking to his younger self, letting him know of what is to come.
    And he projects this giant triangle of Marvels Heirchy (it obviously misses ALOT of characters), but Galactus & Mephisto were infact on the same stage of the triangle.

    I know it isn’t the most solid form of proof, but that along with the fight…

    And for the record, i’m not saying Mephisto is > Galactus, or even equal for that matter.
    The thing about Galactus is he fluctuates, and at a Weakened-Average state, Mephisto was able to beat him.
    We know Galactus was hungry, because he claims the hunger is upon him again, right before he threatens to eat mephistos realm.

    However, even a starving Galactus is capable of incredible power, and THAT is what i’m scaling Mephisto off of.

    “When?”

    Well, i was mostly referring to this moment: static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/2849119-mephisto_vs_galactus__1_.png
    Since right before it, They both unleashed Star Busting attacks, and right after it Mephisto was bragging about how he won…

    Here’s all the scans in video format btw, i think i missed a couple:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzUYiKl884o

    0:40 It says entire galaxies trembled
    1:00 It says stars were being destroyed

    As you can see, Mephisto was actively taking a part in the Star destruction… so… it doesn’t really qualify as PiS.

  78. Alpha or Omega October 1, 2014 at 9:24 pm -      #578

    “There was actually a scan, where IG Thanos was talking to his younger self, letting him know of what is to come.
    And he projects this giant triangle of Marvels Heirchy (it obviously misses ALOT of characters), but Galactus & Mephisto were infact on the same stage of the triangle.”
    /
    Alright, I guess I’ll accept that he’s on the same tier, but I won’t accept that he has the same durability or power.
    /
    “And for the record, i’m not saying Mephisto is > Galactus, or even equal for that matter.
    The thing about Galactus is he fluctuates, and at a Weakened-Average state, Mephisto was able to beat him.”
    /
    I know Galactus fluctuates, but it didn’t look like he was losing.
    /
    “We know Galactus was hungry, because he claims the hunger is upon him again, right before he threatens to eat mephistos realm.”
    /
    He only did that because Silver Surfer gave him that idea and I’m pretty sure he was already hungry. Silver Surfer did say that if the fight continued, it would destroy the universe and the Surfer couldn’t see that happening.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/2850465-mephisto_vs_galactus__6_.png
    As seen in the scan you posted, Surfer summons all his cosmic energy to send him a message. Surfer thought he didn’t send his message because he just stood there. However, when Galactus ignores his satanic foe and goes to feed, Surfer says he understands which means Galactus got Surfer’s message and uses it to eat Mephisto’s realm.
    /
    “However, even a starving Galactus is capable of incredible power, and THAT is what i’m scaling Mephisto off of.”
    /
    You were scaling his durability and power and use that to scale it to Ghost Rider. Maybe the power is there, but we don’t see Galactus hit Mephisto.
    /
    “Well, i was mostly referring to this moment: static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/2849119-mephisto_vs_galactus__1_.png
    Since right before it, They both unleashed Star Busting attacks, and right after it Mephisto was bragging about how he won…”
    /
    Okay, I’ll concede that he’s a star buster, but he isn’t a solar buster.
    /
    Also, about Mephisto bragging. Isn’t Mephisto being arrogant right there?
    media.animevice.com/uploads/0/6253/299928-10_mephisto_vs_galactus_super.jpg

    The Narrator says that “He(Mephisto) THINKS Galactus has ABANDONED the Battle” Hence the reason why Mephisto says
    “I’ve won the prize and glory are all mine”
    Mephisto THINKS he won the battle. Thinking is different than knowing.
    /
    This is further supported by the fact that the Narrator further says, “But Mephisto, Master of Treachery is not easily deceived. Within seconds, he realizes the threatening truth”
    Hence, the reason why Mephisto says, “You seek to trick me! You fight in a way I cannot match.”
    So, we see that Mephisto THINKS that he wins, but he realizes he’s TRICKED into thinking he won since Galactus is only going to consume his realm.
    /
    Furthermore, he says this.
    media.animevice.com/uploads/0/6253/299929-11_mephisto_vs_galactus_super.jpg
    “There can be no victory, no defeat in battle with such as you.”
    /
    “0:40 It says entire galaxies trembled
    1:00 It says stars were being destroyed

    As you can see, Mephisto was actively taking a part in the Star destruction… so… it doesn’t really qualify as PiS.”
    /
    Alright, but this makes him a multi-starbuster, nor a solar buster.

  79. Ragnorke October 1, 2014 at 9:30 pm -      #579

    “Okay, I’ll concede that he’s a star buster, but he isn’t a solar buster.”

    You realize busting a Star busts the Solar System revolving around it right?
    Star busting & Solar busting are literally the exact same thing.
    There’s also the thing about the galaxies being shaken, and their fight threatening the destroy the universe.

    It’s extremely safe to say they are far above Solar Busting.
    These claims & showings are just as much proof as the proof of Laharl to be honest. So lets not get too one sided here.

    “I know Galactus fluctuates, but it didn’t look like he was losing.”

    Fair enough, i’ll concede to it being a stalemate.

    ” Maybe the power is there, but we don’t see Galactus hit Mephisto.”

    So what do you think they were doing with their attacks that were destroying stars and shaking galaxies?
    Just doin it for fun? purposely missing?

    Cosmic fights like these rarely EVER show the characters directly hitting each other. Honestly, 99% of the time it’s just flashy lights and colors.
    But it would be almost laughable to claim that they did not hit each other, after reading through all those scans.

    “Alright, but this makes him a multi-starbuster, nor a solar buster.”

    Umm.. what?

  80. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 1, 2014 at 9:37 pm -      #580

    “that doesn’t really changed what i said. he was not in top condition.”

    It still shows he clearly wasn’t affected by the loss of his arms, and kept going.
    =
    ” so he didn’t get stronger. angrier probably but not stronger.”

    IIRC Asura has the Hulk, “I grow stronger with rage,” thing going for him.
    =
    “i’m pretty certain augus taught asura while deus taught yasha. ”

    Yasha and Asura were both taught by Augus and then Deus decided to start teaching Yasha at some point IIRC.
    =
    “so yeah, i’m pretty sure we can’t just trust deus’s word like that.”

    Why not? He would know more on the matter than we would.
    =
    “besides, it doesn’t matter, since asura and yasha did fight, and it ended in a draw,”

    2/3 times Asura lost handily.
    =
    “meaning deus was clearly wrong.”

    You said this was in a flashback? Like I said, Yasha could’ve gotten better and Asura not so much. There’s a 12,000 year time gap in the game where this could happen.

    In fact, I do remember the 7 Deities mentioning they all got stronger since they last fought Asura, so yea, maybe at one point Yasha was equal to Asura, but then he surpassed him, and then Asura caught back up and then surpassed Yasha. Either way, I don’t see why powerscaling off of Asura shouldn’t be done(pre Destroyer Asura anyways).

  81. Jake_Uzumaki October 1, 2014 at 9:38 pm -      #581

    “You realize busting a Star busts the Solar System revolving around it right?”

    Also Galactus at his absolute weakest unleased a blast that destroyed three solar systems, it also expanded throughout the entire galaxy Galactus was in at the time, so at his absolute weakest which was caused by being forcibly starved and drained of his energy and feed minimal amounts to keep him alive he did that.
    So even at his lowest he’s a casual solar system buster. And he was above that point when he fought Mephisto.

  82. Alpha or Omega October 1, 2014 at 10:02 pm -      #582

    @Ragnorke
    “You realize busting a Star busts the Solar System revolving around it right?
    Star busting & Solar busting are literally the exact same thing.
    There’s also the thing about the galaxies being shaken, and their fight threatening the destroy the universe.”
    /
    Really? IIRC, if our star were to go supernova, it would only reach past Mars or some planet in our solar system. I don’t think it necessarily destroys the entire solar system by busting it.
    The galaxies are only being shaken. Not destroyed or anything. They would only destroy the universe if their fight would continue for an unknown amount of time.
    /
    “So what do you think they were doing with their attacks that were destroying stars and shaking galaxies?
    Just doin it for fun? purposely missing?”
    /
    If you look back at the second scan, we clearly see that Galactus aims at Mephisto only for it to miss when Mephisto raises his arms.
    I’m not saying they’re trying to miss, I’m saying Mephisto is preventing Galactus from hitting him.
    /
    “Cosmic fights like these rarely EVER show the characters directly hitting each other. Honestly, 99% of the time it’s just flashy lights and colors.
    But it would be almost laughable to claim that they did not hit each other, after reading through all those scans.”
    /
    Didn’t Thanos vs Galactus show them actually hitting each other?
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    How would it be laughable to claim that they didn’t hit each other? It would be an assumption to say that they did so.
    /
    @Jake
    “Also Galactus at his absolute weakest unleased a blast that destroyed three solar systems, it also expanded throughout the entire galaxy Galactus was in at the time, so at his absolute weakest which was caused by being forcibly starved and drained of his energy and feed minimal amounts to keep him alive he did that.
    So even at his lowest he’s a casual solar system buster. And he was above that point when he fought Mephisto.”
    /
    We were talking about Mephisto, not Galactus. I’m aware Big G can do that, but he didn’t do that in his fight against Mephisto. Galactus is common knowledge around here.

  83. wingedlion October 1, 2014 at 10:20 pm -      #583

    “It still shows he clearly wasn’t affected by the loss of his arms, and kept going.”

    like i said, endurance.

    “IIRC Asura has the Hulk, “I grow stronger with rage,” thing going for him.”

    that’s true. i guess he wasn’t as angry at the time then, because he was clearly way more powerful before he got blasted than he was after it.

    “Yasha and Asura were both taught by Augus and then Deus decided to start teaching Yasha at some point IIRC.”

    i don’t remember them both being taught by augus. do you know when this was stated?
    regardless, the fact that augus and deus were encouraging competition between their appretinces to see who was the strongest tells me that it wasn’t a done deal.

    “Why not? He would know more on the matter than we would.”

    considering we actually see the results of their fight, i disagree.

    “2/3 times Asura lost handily.”

    yes, both of which asura was not in optimum condition.

    “You said this was in a flashback? Like I said, Yasha could’ve gotten better and Asura not so much. There’s a 12,000 year time gap in the game where this could happen.

    In fact, I do remember the 7 Deities mentioning they all got stronger since they last fought Asura, so yea, maybe at one point Yasha was equal to Asura, but then he surpassed him, and then Asura caught back up and then surpassed Yasha. Either way, I don’t see why powerscaling off of Asura shouldn’t be done(pre Destroyer Asura anyways).”

    that was because of the mantra they were gathering. but as you just said, asura get’s stronger through rage. throughout the game asura keeps becoming more and more powerful, and no one, not even the 7 deities, knows why. in fact it’s pretty much shown in game that asura’s source of strength is just as effective, if not more than the source of power for the seven deities, and even yasha admits this. so yeah, asura did get stronger.

    “Either way, I don’t see why powerscaling off of Asura shouldn’t be done(pre Destroyer Asura anyways).”

    i never said you couldn’t scale yasha off pre-destroyer asura, hell i was even saying they were equals. but when you mentioned him being thor level i thought that you were talking about destroyer asura since that was the only time i remember him moving FTL.
    however, even with those calcs he only has ftl reactions, not movement. that’s why i don’t get what your saying when you said he was thor level.

  84. Jake_Uzumaki October 1, 2014 at 10:27 pm -      #584

    I know I was just saying that him throwing around those tier of attacks with Mephisto wouldn’t be out of the question but I’m not super good with guaging those kinds of attacks usually.

  85. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 1, 2014 at 10:40 pm -      #585

    “like i said, endurance.”

    If it was endurance then he would’ve still been hindered by the loss of his arms, but he wasn’t.
    =
    “that’s true. i guess he wasn’t as angry at the time then, because he was clearly way more powerful before he got blasted than he was after it.”

    He was clearly angry when that happened since he was still Berserker, and had Sergei talking badly of his sister. I’d say he was probably pretty pissed.
    =
    “i don’t remember them both being taught by augus. do you know when this was stated?”

    No, I just remember it was. I think it might’ve been one of the text picture cutscene thingys that happens between episodes. The wiki mentions it as well though.

    “He and Asura were training under Augus until Deus took him under his wing”

    asuraswrath.wikia.com/wiki/Yasha
    =
    “regardless, the fact that augus and deus were encouraging competition between their appretinces to see who was the strongest tells me that it wasn’t a done deal.”

    Like I said, he probably got stronger after Asura’s death, then Asura caught back up, then they were equals for a bit and then Destroyer Asura.
    =
    “that was because of the mantra they were gathering.”

    So you admit they got stronger?
    =
    ” throughout the game asura keeps becoming more and more powerful”

    Which is why I’m thinking that he caught back up to Yasha during the game, sometime after he goes Berserker or after Yasha kills him.
    =
    “when you mentioned him being thor level i thought that you were talking about destroyer asura since that was the only time i remember him moving FTL.”

    And they are.
    =
    “however, even with those calcs he only has ftl reactions, not movement. that’s why i don’t get what your saying when you said he was thor level.”

    You know who else has FTL reactions, but not movement? Thanos. You know who regularly kicks Thor’s ass, even when he’s amped by multiple things or has help from people on his level? Thanos.

  86. wingedlion October 1, 2014 at 11:01 pm -      #586

    “If it was endurance then he would’ve still been hindered by the loss of his arms, but he wasn’t.”

    not really.
    there have been many people in fiction who still fight through extreme pain or loss of limbs because of their godlike endurance. that’s kind of the point of endurance.

    “He was clearly angry when that happened since he was still Berserker, and had Sergei talking badly of his sister. I’d say he was probably pretty pissed.”

    okay? i never said he wasn’t angry, i said must not have been as angry at the time. as in he must have been way more pissed of when he was fighting the army of ships.

    “No, I just remember it was. I think it might’ve been one of the text picture cutscene thingys that happens between episodes. The wiki mentions it as well though.”

    i guess i’ll try and look for it later.

    “So you admit they got stronger?”

    i don’t recall ever saying they didn’t.
    with that being said, so does asura.

    “Which is why I’m thinking that he caught back up to Yasha during the game, sometime after he goes Berserker or after Yasha kills him.”

    maybe. we don’t know though, since their first fight in the game is with a weakened asura. it’s quite possible asura then was already stronger than he was in the past.

    “You know who else has FTL reactions, but not movement? Thanos. You know who regularly kicks Thor’s ass, even when he’s amped by multiple things or has help from people on his level? Thanos.”

    right but you said asura and yasha’s reactions were moving a bit above 4xFTL. meanwhile, iirc thor is already faster than that. he has fought with silver surfer, who is faster then that, on many occasions and iirc he was catching up to and matching ego the living planet in speed while passing by several planets. so i’m pretty sure thor’s above 4xFTL.

  87. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 1, 2014 at 11:28 pm -      #587

    “not really.
    there have been many people in fiction who still fight through extreme pain or loss of limbs because of their godlike endurance. that’s kind of the point of endurance.”

    But they’re still hindered somehow or show weakness or have some mention of it. This isn’t the case with Asura.
    =
    “as in he must have been way more pissed of when he was fighting the army of ships.”

    And I’m saying he probably was more pissed off when fighting Yasha.
    =
    “it’s quite possible asura then was already stronger than he was in the past.”

    I’m going to go with no since Asura has been dead for some 12,000 years and hasn’t done anything but hang off a ledge.
    =
    “right but you said asura and yasha’s reactions were moving a bit above 4xFTL. meanwhile, iirc thor is already faster than that. he has fought with silver surfer, who is faster then that, on many occasions and iirc he was catching up to and matching ego the living planet in speed while passing by several planets. so i’m pretty sure thor’s above 4xFTL.”

    They’ve moved faster than 4x FTL sure, but we don’t know about their reaction times being as fast. The closest we know to their actual reactions is two mentions of nanosecond for SS and one of microsecnds as well as one for Thor.

    Even so, his DC output is definitely able to rival Thor’s. He doesn’t have as much hax, sure, but should be able to match his own.

  88. wingedlion October 1, 2014 at 11:39 pm -      #588

    “But they’re still hindered somehow or show weakness or have some mention of it. This isn’t the case with Asura.”

    actually that’s not always true. there have been instances were people go on as if attacks don’t impede them at all.

    “And I’m saying he probably was more pissed off when fighting Yasha.”

    which is unlikely, because he was way more powerful when fighting the ships.
    so either that was a unique instance where his strength did not correlate with his anger, or asura was angrier when he was fighting the ships.

    “I’m going to go with no since Asura has been dead for some 12,000 years and hasn’t done anything but hang off a ledge.”

    and? asura’s power correlates with his anger, which wasn’t a problem when he met wyzen and remembered everything. i don’t see what him being dead for 12,000 years has to do with anything.

    “They’ve moved faster than 4x FTL sure, but we don’t know about their reaction times being as fast. The closest we know to their actual reactions is two mentions of nanosecond for SS and one of microsecnds as well as one for Thor.”

    how can you move at FTL speeds and not have your reactions match it? how do you not run into things without it?

    “Even so, his DC output is definitely able to rival Thor’s.”

    never doubted that.
    edit: also, does anyone know how to look at future matches?

  89. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 1, 2014 at 11:53 pm -      #589

    “actually that’s not always true. there have been instances were people go on as if attacks don’t impede them at all.”

    In which case I would say it didn’t affect them…
    =
    “which is unlikely, because he was way more powerful when fighting the ships.”

    He was probably in less control when he was doing that, and was displaying more power. I doubt Asura wouldn’t get exponentially angrier when he’s about to fight his rival and while listening to someone talk badly about your wife and then finding out your brother in law did nothing about it and let your wife die.
    =
    “and?”

    Have you ever done anything physical? Like lift weights, run, swim, calisthenics, crossfit, etc? If you don’t for a while, your body goes outta shape. Once you get back into it for a while though, you catch up again and eventually improve. I’m saying that’s what happened to Asura in those 12,000 years and after starting to do stuff again after his revival he got better.
    =
    “how can you move at FTL speeds and not have your reactions match it? how do you not run into things without it?”

    You probably haven’t heard that argument being used on here then, but yea, that’s a thing.

  90. wingedlion October 2, 2014 at 12:02 am -      #590

    “In which case I would say it didn’t affect them…”

    but it did though.
    they still suffer damage, they just ignore it and carry on with it.

    “He was probably in less control when he was doing that, and was displaying more power. I doubt Asura wouldn’t get exponentially angrier when he’s about to fight his rival and while listening to someone talk badly about your wife and then finding out your brother in law did nothing about it and let your wife die.”

    he lost control because he was so angry in the first place. if this situation was worst, then he still should have lost control. so i’m pretty sure that’s not the case.

    “Have you ever done anything physical? Like lift weights, run, swim, calisthenics, crossfit, etc? If you don’t for a while, your body goes outta shape. Once you get back into it for a while though, you catch up again and eventually improve. I’m saying that’s what happened to Asura in those 12,000 years and after starting to do stuff again after his revival he got better.”

    none of that really matters when we’re talking about a demigod who’s body run’s purely on mantra, which is generated by his anger.

    “You probably haven’t heard that argument being used on here then, but yea, that’s a thing.”

    how so? is there a reason behind that?

  91. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 2, 2014 at 12:15 am -      #591

    “but it did though.
    they still suffer damage, they just ignore it and carry on with it.”

    If they ignored it and carried on then I wouldn’t say it affected them.
    =
    “he lost control because he was so angry in the first place. if this situation was worst, then he still should have lost control. so i’m pretty sure that’s not the case.”

    What would make you angrier, getting shot at, or being told someone murdered your wife, whom you love, in cold blood and someone close to you just let it happen? O, and on top of all that, your daughter got kidnapped and is being tortured just to further your goals.
    =
    “none of that really matters when we’re talking about a demigod who’s body run’s purely on mantra, which is generated by his anger.”

    Why not? As far as we know their bodies still function similarly to ours, hence they eat, they drink, they sleep, etc.
    =
    “how so? is there a reason behind that?”

    Reaction time=/=Movement speed basically is the basics of it. Kinda how power=/=strength

  92. wingedlion October 2, 2014 at 12:29 am -      #592

    “If they ignored it and carried on then I wouldn’t say it affected them.”

    the fact that it damaged them means it clearly affected them, they just had enough willpower to ignore it anyway.(unless of course said person can’t feel pain, in which case it didn’t affect them at all.)

    “What would make you angrier, getting shot at, or being told someone murdered your wife, whom you love, in cold blood and someone close to you just let it happen?”

    except getting shot at was not what made him turn into his berserker form. it was the girl, who looked exactly like his daughter, dying in front of him that caused him to go berserk.

    “O, and on top of all that, your daughter got kidnapped and is being tortured just to further your goals.”

    it’s not like this was unique to that specific situation. that was affecting him the entire game.

    the fact is, for whatever reason you want to blame it on, berserker asura was not as powerful as he was before he got shot.

    “Why not? As far as we know their bodies still function similarly to ours, hence they eat, they drink, they sleep, etc.”

    similar to ours? they are literally made of robotic parts. that’s nothing like humans.

    “Reaction time=/=Movement speed basically is the basics of it.”

    oh no i get that. but you still need reaction time to react to your own speed, otherwise you’ll constantly run into stuff. i’m pretty sure that’s how it works.

  93. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 2, 2014 at 12:54 am -      #593

    “the fact that it damaged them means it clearly affected them, they just had enough willpower to ignore it anyway”

    Then it’s negligible, in which case I’d say that’s similar enough to it not being effective.
    =
    “except getting shot at was not what made him turn into his berserker form. it was the girl, who looked exactly like his daughter, dying in front of him that caused him to go berserk.”

    It doesn’t matter if that’s what made him go Berserker or not, that latter is clearly going to make you angrier than the former…
    =
    “it’s not like this was unique to that specific situation. that was affecting him the entire game.

    the fact is, for whatever reason you want to blame it on, berserker asura was not as powerful as he was before he got shot.”

    No, but the other two are, which is why I’m saying he was definitely angrier in this situation. Especially since in the first situation he was fine and in the second he was getting to the point of killing himself he was so wrathful.
    =
    “similar to ours?”

    Yea.
    =
    ” they are literally made of robotic parts. that’s nothing like humans.”

    They have flesh, they act like humans, they react to things like humans, they drink like humans, they reproduce like humans, they think like humans, etc. So, yea, similar.
    =
    “oh no i get that. but you still need reaction time to react to your own speed, otherwise you’ll constantly run into stuff. i’m pretty sure that’s how it works.”

    *shrugs* Ask someone else, personally I agree with you, but I don’t argue the point just to not be more difficult than usual(as you can see I am stubborn).

  94. Ragnorke October 2, 2014 at 8:48 am -      #594

    “Really? IIRC, if our star were to go supernova, it would only reach past Mars or some planet in our solar system. I don’t think it necessarily destroys the entire solar system by busting it.”

    Oh it most definitely would.
    I really can’t be fucked finding proof for it, but if you insist i will.

    “The galaxies are only being shaken. ”

    Want me to calculate how much energy is required to cause a microscopic shake to the galaxy?
    Also, it was plural, not singular… so multiple that amount by a few million.
    It’s far above Solar Busting.

    “I’m not saying they’re trying to miss, I’m saying Mephisto is preventing Galactus from hitting him.”

    So he’s capable of preventing attacks, yet GR still punches right past his defences.
    I see no difference.

    “Didn’t Thanos vs Galactus show them actually hitting each other?”

    The thing is, that wasn’t even a fight. It wasn’t meant to be a fight.
    It was Thanos sucker punching Galactus, and then running and trying to hide.
    They HAD to show that sucker punch, in order for things to make sense… Whereas here they just expect us to put 1-and-1 together.
    Both characters were shaking galaxies and busting stars.

    “They would only destroy the universe if their fight would continue for an unknown amount of time.”

    Which implies he has the durability to survive multiple galaxy busting hits.
    And GR beats his shit anyways.

    “We were talking about Mephisto, not Galactus. I’m aware Big G can do that, but he didn’t do that in his fight against Mephisto. ”

    What do you mean he didn’t do that here? It CLEARLY says they destroyed stars.
    Heck they even shook fucking galaxies, that is FAR more powerful.

    I’m not entirely sure what you’re trying to deny at this point… Mephisto is clearly above Laharls showings and claims.

  95. Ragnorke October 2, 2014 at 9:13 am -      #595

    Ok so, according to the “near-Earth supernova” wiki page, a nova up to 26 lightyears away can destroy half of earths atmosphere.
    In comparison, pluto is only 0,000625055 lightyears away from our sun.

    Sun busting most certainly = Solar busting, and has a significant effect on nearby solar systems too.

  96. wingedlion October 2, 2014 at 2:57 pm -      #596

    “Then it’s negligible, in which case I’d say that’s similar enough to it not being effective.”

    if it was negligible they would barely feel any damage or pain at all. i’m talking about a person feeling all of it and continuing despite that, which is the exact kind of person that asura is.

    “It doesn’t matter if that’s what made him go Berserker or not, that latter is clearly going to make you angrier than the former…”

    “No, but the other two are, which is why I’m saying he was definitely angrier in this situation. Especially since in the first situation he was fine and in the second he was getting to the point of killing himself he was so wrathful.”

    i have a feeling killing someone who looks exactly like your daughter right in front of your eyes would get that person pretty pissed of.
    regardless, like i said before, berserker asura was clearly much more powerful before he got shot than when he was fighting yasha. even if he was angrier when he was fighting yasha, then that must mean the beam really did a number on him, because he’s was not as powerful as he was before.

    “They have flesh, they act like humans, they react to things like humans, they drink like humans, they reproduce like humans, they think like humans, etc. So, yea, similar.”

    kryptonians eat, drink, and reproduce like humans as well, yet their not similar at all. so that does not prove that their bodies are similar. and they don’t have flesh, their made of mechanical parts.

    the demigods run on mantra. it is the source of their power and their life source. and asura can generate that through his rage, which he had plenty of when wyzen jogged his memory about what happened to him and his family. so i don’t see how him being dead for 12,000 years would matter to him when he can power up through his rage.

    also do you know how to look at matches before they come up? i recall people being able to do that.

  97. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 2, 2014 at 3:13 pm -      #597

    “if it was negligible they would barely feel any damage or pain at all. i’m talking about a person feeling all of it and continuing despite that, which is the exact kind of person that asura is.”

    Dude, I honestly have no idea what to tell you. What you’re telling me is that it hurt them, but it didn’t at the same time.

    If it was ignored to the point of them ignoring it completely then it’s negligible or it didn’t affect them at all. Either way, this is the case with Asura.
    =
    “i have a feeling killing someone who looks exactly like your daughter right in front of your eyes would get that person pretty pissed of.
    regardless, like i said before, berserker asura was clearly much more powerful before he got shot than when he was fighting yasha. even if he was angrier when he was fighting yasha, then that must mean the beam really did a number on him, because he’s was not as powerful as he was before.”

    If he was angrier he was stronger, so he would’ve been stronger against Yasha.
    =
    “kryptonians eat, drink, and reproduce like humans as well, yet their not similar at all. ”

    They are similar though… Minus the cells that absorb solar radiation they haven’t shown to be different at all.
    =
    “so that does not prove that their bodies are similar”

    But it does…
    =
    “and they don’t have flesh, their made of mechanical parts.”

    Then what would you call that fleshy skin looking things on that cover their body? Or those long flowy keratinized looking thing on their heads? Or that hard keratnized stuff on their fingers?
    =
    “so i don’t see how him being dead for 12,000 years would matter to him when he can power up through his rage.”

    Just because he can power up through rage doesn’t mean his dormant body wouldn’t of suffered from doing nothing for all those years. Eventually during the game he did get to the point to be Yasha’s equal, but after he died and the 7 Deities got more powerful he was definitely below them in power. Then he got his rage boost and killed Wyzen.
    =
    “also do you know how to look at matches before they come up?”

    No clue.

  98. Warlock Lowk October 2, 2014 at 3:37 pm -      #598

    “They are similar though… Minus the cells that absorb solar radiation they haven’t shown to be different at all.”

    Would eyes that emit various types radiation, manually raising the temprature of there body, and not having to breathe or sleep as long as they are charged by solar radiation count?

  99. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 2, 2014 at 3:44 pm -      #599

    “Would eyes that emit various types radiation, manually raising the temprature of there body, and not having to breathe or sleep as long as they are charged by solar radiation count?”

    Which is probably due to the solar radiation absorption, unless I’m mistaken.

  100. wingedlion October 2, 2014 at 3:55 pm -      #600

    “Dude, I honestly have no idea what to tell you. What you’re telling me is that it hurt them, but it didn’t at the same time.”

    no. i’m telling you that it hurt them, but they still continued through because of their willpower. they still feel pain, their just pulling through. that’s essentially what asura did. the problem is him being damaged like that still means he’s not in his best.
    and then there’s also the fact that he was almost unconscious after killing wyzen. so yeah, i’m pretty sure yasha did not fight him at his best.

    “If he was angrier he was stronger, so he would’ve been stronger against Yasha.”

    but the event clearly contradicts that.
    berserker asura was so powerful he was blowing up multiple ships with one shot. he was forcing the entire army back. yasha himself was confused as to how he became so powerful and even questioned how it was able to approach the power that all of the seven deities were trying to acheive. to top it off, he was temporarily able to hold of the bramhastra’s attack, the very super weapon that they built to destroy vitra.
    so yeah, asura was clearly stronger when fought the army.

    “They are similar though… Minus the cells that absorb solar radiation they haven’t shown to be different at all.”

    those cells still allow kryptonians to fight purely on solar radiation, despite the fact that they eat and sleep. they can literally live off it.
    just like the demigods can live off of mantra.

    “Then what would you call that fleshy skin looking things on that cover their body? Or those long flowy keratinized looking thing on their heads? Or that hard keratnized stuff on their fingers?”

    fair enough on the first part. i’m unfimiliar with the other two parts your talking about. regardless, that’s the outside of their bodies, not the insides which are clearly diffrent.

    “Just because he can power up through rage doesn’t mean his dormant body wouldn’t of suffered from doing nothing for all those years.”

    but all of that’s assuming that mantra can’t simply solve that problem, when it clearly can.

    “Eventually during the game he did get to the point to be Yasha’s equal, but after he died and the 7 Deities got more powerful he was definitely below them in power. Then he got his rage boost and killed Wyzen.”

    now i’m confused. i know this. that was kind of my point.
    the 7 deities got stronger. so did asura. which was shown in the beginning of the game when he fought wyzen.

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