Luke Skywalker Vs Link

Luke Skywalker Vs Link

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A grand duel if ever there was. Legacy EU Luke Skywalker (Star Wars) at his peak vs Composite Link (Legend of Zelda).

The battle will take place in front of the Jedi temple on Yavin IV and both combatants are out to kill each other.

Who wins?

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110 Comments on "Luke Skywalker Vs Link"

  1. Commander Cross August 20, 2014 at 6:32 am -      #1

    Could we pretty please(with a cherry on top) split the matter into two rounds?

    One of them being Early!-Post Endor!-Luke and the other being either an especially powerful Individual Link or a Link based on one of the 3 Great LoZ timelines, and the other being exactly as stated in this match!?*

    At least that way we might know there’s more going for this fight than Badass Imagery that may be Legendary!

    I don’t wanna be a Galaxy-Tossing Super Saiyan, yet, hence why I’d opt for that idea if it were up to me.

    Until further notice, Aside from the imagery alone being 10 out of 10 but not enough for the fight itself to get the same score, I say this fight has potential to rock, suck or have potential to have potential!
    Probably all or none of the above.

    1.) (Where Total Composite Link is specified and intended for use and all that jazz?)

  2. ZomBraum August 20, 2014 at 6:32 am -      #2

    I’ll throw my hat into the ring for Luke in this debate.

    Though I do somehow suspect composite Link is completely invincible, and FTL.

  3. Commander Cross August 20, 2014 at 6:45 am -      #3

    @Major ZomB at #2

    I’m trying to withhold further comments until/unless fight suggester replies to my first comment, and I don’t think Total Composite Link is FTL any more than Post-NJO Legacy E.U Luke’s a Casual* Universe-Buster either.

    When Fight Suggester and everyone else checks on the suggestion from my first comment in this thread, then we can respond accordingly, until then I dare not do anything rash or go fetal position, got it?*

    I will also not be one of the Instigators of Doom, either, hence why the warning at first post stands for the sake of reasonable compromises if need be.

    Total Composite Link may have the spirit of The Master Sword, she might be able to help preserve his mind and all that jazz plus who knows how many other spirits TC Link may have on him.
    Even some of the Links based on one of the 3 LoZ Timelines may also have this
    to a lesser extent than TC Link may have.

    I wonder if a Link Army may be needed in here.

    1.) (Italics are there for a reason, whether for reminders’ sake or for the sake of personal sanity, that call’s everyone else’s on me.)

    2.) (Let it be known to would-be TV Tropers out there that Tinfoiling is never fun, trust me I’ve been trapped in it for a few years, nowadays I’m less horrible about it by far.)

  4. Ranger Lowk August 20, 2014 at 6:45 am -      #4

    Does Link have a defense for mind fuckry or tk?

  5. Rookie August 20, 2014 at 8:04 am -      #5

    Luke wins.

    Link looks alot like Geralt on picture in OP IMO.

  6. Ellie Williams August 20, 2014 at 9:57 am -      #6

    Unless Hyrule Warriors gave Link more hax, Luke wins. Link wins in a badass pic competition though.

  7. Mea quidem sententia August 20, 2014 at 12:15 pm -      #7

    That picture of Link looks awesome, though I wonder if it is inspired by Arrow.

  8. the watcher August 20, 2014 at 12:47 pm -      #8

    Luke wins.
    No lets imagine that Melkor is sick of people other than him stomping Link. What happens then?

  9. Jake_Uzumaki August 20, 2014 at 12:53 pm -      #9

    I wonder if this would be more interesting limited to sword and shield vs lightsaber and shoto lightsaber only allowing Luke passive Force abilities like speed/agility/jump and precog? Essentially make it a sword fight.

  10. the watcher August 20, 2014 at 2:09 pm -      #10

    ^is a good idea.

  11. Commander Cross August 20, 2014 at 3:13 pm -      #11

    The post at #09 noted yet another bold idea, I’m sadly too slow to think of that.

    1+ on that idea if my ideas on post #01 don’t cut it, cuz it’s the next best thing.

  12. Friendlysociopath August 20, 2014 at 3:42 pm -      #12

    “I wonder if this would be more interesting limited to sword and shield vs lightsaber and shoto lightsaber only allowing Luke passive Force abilities like speed/agility/jump and precog? Essentially make it a sword fight.”

    More interesting to debate perhaps, the end result is likely the same. Precog is a definite game-changer, especially when Luke is, at minimum, just as fast as Link. That one ability alone makes Link SOL unless he can overwhelm it, which would not be impossible “with” his full arsenal, with just a sword and shield Link would not overcome Precog.

  13. Jake_Uzumaki August 20, 2014 at 3:46 pm -      #13

    True Luke would still win, but at least then it has a chance of being a fair fight rather than a murderstomp, Luke’s likely faster than Link no matter what but at least the nature of the Hylian Shield and Master Sword will render them immune to Luke’s lightsaber and shoto lightsaber

  14. Ranger Lowk August 20, 2014 at 4:30 pm -      #14

    Link has time stop for what its worth.

  15. nsl98 August 20, 2014 at 4:37 pm -      #15

    How fast can he do the time stop?

  16. Friendlysociopath August 20, 2014 at 4:54 pm -      #16

    “Link has time stop for what its worth.”

    I think that was brought up in Link vs Cloud, doesn’t he need to be at a certain location to do that?

  17. Jake_Uzumaki August 20, 2014 at 4:55 pm -      #17

    well if I remember correctly it wasn’t fast enough to stop the supersonic-hypersonic Naruto..Luke is also supersonic-low hypersonic so…he can react faster than Link can.

  18. Alpha or Omega August 20, 2014 at 5:49 pm -      #18

    “I think that was brought up in Link vs Cloud, doesn’t he need to be at a certain location to do that?”
    /
    No, but he can only use it three times.

  19. nsl98 August 20, 2014 at 6:06 pm -      #19

    So what else does Link have to help him maybe somehow win?

  20. Jake_Uzumaki August 20, 2014 at 6:57 pm -      #20

    not much, everything allowed on both sides Luke either speedblitzes or crushes Link into a singularity, speedblitze Link might survive if he blocks with the Master Sword and or Hylian Shield but he’ll have to be totally focused on doing that, and I don’t know how long he could hold that defense.
    Against the Force though…there’s really nothing Link can do unless he can activate something in the first milliseconds of the match. In a quickdraw he’ll be crushed, deep fried, sent flying into the upper atmosphere to crash and burn, or if Luke is feeling a little cruel choked to death, before he can activate his more hax tools. In just a pure swordfight he is slower but has some slim chance to hold his own before being overwhelmed.

    As is,I’d say Luke wins 9/10 depending on if Link gets lucky.
    In a pure sword fight it’d be more like…6/10 as Link might just be able to land lucky blows more often than not.

  21. Darth Bombad August 20, 2014 at 6:58 pm -      #21

    Where did you get that pic of Link?, he’s never looked that badass!.

    As for the fight i’ll tentatively go with Luke, doesn’t Link usually have
    a piece of the tri-force with him?, would that help at all?.

  22. Jake_Uzumaki August 20, 2014 at 7:11 pm -      #22

    I’m not sure how it works with Composite Link, I know sometimes the Triforce is banned due to sentience but again not sure with Composite.
    That said again if that happened it’d again be like with Links match with Naruto, the Triforce would be torn between the two heroes if Link tries to use it.

  23. nsl98 August 20, 2014 at 7:18 pm -      #23

    Ok. Guess my vote is with Luke as well. When was the last time Link won a fight on this site?

  24. Jake_Uzumaki August 20, 2014 at 7:23 pm -      #24

    He beat Shao Khan if I remember correctly.

  25. Hermit August 20, 2014 at 8:12 pm -      #25

    I see a lot of claims, but no one really posted how Luke would be able to beat Link.
    .
    If I remember he defeated a Carnifex as well.

  26. Ranger Lowk August 20, 2014 at 8:49 pm -      #26

    “I see a lot of claims, but no one really posted how Luke would be able to beat Link.”

    Theres no way Link can get pass Jedi like defenses
    25.media.tumblr.com/207b5e91d2397e2819b364252b10a9fe/tumblr_mhekrlS49k1r0kwp0o1_500.gif

  27. Friendlysociopath August 20, 2014 at 8:53 pm -      #27

    “I see a lot of claims, but no one really posted how Luke would be able to beat Link.”

    Cross mentioned he was hoping for some incarnation specifics or some such so I think everyone was holding off for that. For the most part Luke wins by being fast enough to do whatever trick he wants to Link before Link can really react.

    examples included but not limited to:
    – Death by lightsaber
    – Death by force-shenanigans
    – Death by mindfuckery

  28. Hermit August 20, 2014 at 9:08 pm -      #28

    “Death by lightsaber”
    .
    I don’t think this can happen, as the two will start off at some distance from each other, enough time for Link to do whatever he needs to do. Or at the very least raise his shield up.
    .
    I will not argue about the two others though. I just want to ask for feats to be brought up.

  29. Jake_Uzumaki August 20, 2014 at 9:11 pm -      #29

    to be completely honest I just hadn’t wanted to go through hundreds of pages from old matches to find quotes but very well.

    Luke rooting himself in the force to counter a Force push backed by the Force potential of 95% of the entire Killik species, billions of beings. This shows just how much power Luke is able to draw on, like father like son.

    ” The pain of losing an arm might have forced a common Jedi to stop fighting, but Raynar was no common Jedi. He had the Force potential of the Colony to draw on, and he did that now, swinging his remaining hand up to hurl Luke down the corridor as he had done before.
    But this time, Luke was ready. He placed his own hand in front of Raynar’s and rooted himself in the heart of the Force, and when he did that, he became the very essence of the immovable object. Nothing could dislodge him-not one of Lando’s asteroid tuggers, not the Megador’s sixteen ion engines, not the black hole at the center of the galaxy itself.
    Luke stood that way, waiting, dimly aware that his surviving bugcrunchers were moving into defensive positions, one at his back and the other just inside the burst hatch. Raynar continued to struggle, trying to hurl Luke down the corridor, trying to move him a single centimeter.
    Luke did not budge, and finally Raynar stopped struggling and met his eyes with a stunned and anguished gaze.
    The Master sighed and shook his head. “What am I going to do with you, Raynar Thul?” he asked. “You learn nothing from your mistakes.”
    Luke deactivated his lightsaber and picked Raynar up by the collar and slammed him against the wall. He used the Force to pin him there, waiting for an answer to his question, watching as the expression in his captive’s pained eyes turned from astonishment to anger to calculation. “
    —————–
    Luke using the Force on Darth Caedus aka Jacen Solo, a powerful Sith Lord. Important parts bolded. If Caedus couldn’t escape Luke’s tk grasp there’s nothing Link can hope to do.

    Legacy of the Force 6: Inferno pg 133-140
    By the time Caedus had instructed SD-XX to secure the cabin against eavesdropping-physical or otherwise-and hidden the droid safely inside its security closet, Luke was marching into the cabin. In his high boots and black StealthX flight suit, he resembled a GAG trooper-at least until he hammered a slap-pad to close the door and started across the floor.
    Caedus was glad to see Luke’s lightsaber still hanging from its belt clip, but he took the precaution of slipping toward his desk, where he would have access to a dozen weapons and traps he had prepared in anticipation of just such a confrontation.
    Luke jabbed a finger in Caedus’s direction. “Now I understand why you’ve been avoiding me.” His tone was even and soft, but there was no mistaking the wrath in his Force aura. “And this time, you’ve finally crossed the line.”
    “What are you talking about?” Caedus asked, pretending ignorance. If the news of Omas’s death was just breaking on the HoloNet, an innocent Jacen wouldn’t logically have heard about it in the middle of his battle meditation.
    “I’m sorry I haven’t been available to console you, Uncle Luke, but I’ve been kind of busy trying to save the Alliance.”
    Luke narrowed his eyes and stopped in the center of the cabin. “I’d sooner cry on a Hutt’s shoulder than yours. I think you know that.”
    “I suppose family should be honest with each other.” The sadness in Caedus’s voice was genuine. He had always regretted losing his uncle’s respect and love-just another of the many sacrifices he was making to bring peace to the galaxy.
    “But Admiral Bwua’tu will be calling for the Hapan fleet soon. We can work this out-whatever it is- after the battle.”
    Luke shook his head. “I don’t think so.”
    Caedus exhaled in exasperation. “Is this about the academy?” He sneaked a glance toward his observation bubble, where a halo of battle light could be seen flashing around his chair, broken only by the thick triangular pedestal on which it rested. “I told you, I’m not going to leave one of the Alliance’s most valuable assets unprotected…”
    “Don’t play stupid,” Luke snapped. “This isn’t about the academy. It’s about Ben.”
    “Ben?” Caedus stopped at the corner of his desk, feigning shock. “Did something happen to him?”
    “You tell me,” Luke said. “You’re the one who sent him.”
    “Sent him where! I’ve hardly spoken to Ben since the funeral.”
    In the next instant, Caedus found himself flying across the cabin toward his observation bubble. Luke had not gestured, had not flinched, had not even shifted his gaze; he had simply grabbed Caedus in the Force and hurled him five meters into his chair.

    “Don’t lie.” Luke started across the cabin. “I’m getting tired of it.”
    Caedus sprang out of the chair… or attempted to. Instead, he found himself struggling against an invisible weight. He felt as if he were accelerating to lightspeed with a faulty inertial compensator.
    “Luke, you’ve gone mad.” Caedus reached for the controls on the arm of his chair and discovered he couldn’t even do that much. “You can’t do this. I know you’re having trouble dealing with Mara’s death, but…”
    “This has nothing to do with Mara,” Luke said. “And you’re lucky it doesn’t. If she were here-if she had known what you were using Ben for-there’d be pieces of you scattered along the entire length of the Hydian Way.”
    The irony of the statement was far from lost on Caedus, but he was too astonished-and too frightened-to take any pleasure in it. While it was true that Luke had taken him by surprise, it was equally true that he had done so with no visible effort-and that he was continuing to hold him with no apparent exertion.

    Keenly aware that all that stood between him and a quick death was Luke Skywalker’s much-strained sense of decency, Caedus let a little of his very real fear seep into the Force, just enough to seem properly alarmed.
    “Does this have something to do with Cal Omas?” he asked. “Tell me Ben didn’t do anything foolish!”
    Luke’s eyes grew narrow and cold. “Tell me what makes you think he might have.”
    “Of course,” Caedus said. ” Ben learned of a conversation that made it look as though Omas had something to do with Mara’s death.”
    ” That’s ridiculous,” Luke said. ” Chief Omas would never have done something like that.”
    “Never have!” Caedus echoed. “You mean Ben…. you mean Omas is dead?”
    Luke looked at him without answering.
    Caedus would have shaken his head, save that it was still being held motionless with the Force. Had it been Mara’s death instead of Omas’s that Luke had just heard about, Caedus knew he would already be dead. Another reminder that anyone could be surprised.
    “I tried to tell Ben the same thing, but he’s so full of anger.” He locked gazes with Luke. “I’m afraid he’s going to become its servant, if one of us doesn’t reach him soon.”
    Luke nodded, then sat on the corner of Caedus’s desk. “How did Ben find out about this conversation?” Caedus forced himself not to look away. “I wish I knew.”
    “You told him.” When Luke’s expression did not change, Caedus realized that his uncle had been expecting the lie, that he had already worked matters out for himself. “It’s just so convenient for you, isn’t it? You let something slip in an innocent conversation and point Ben like a missile.”
    ” That’s not what happened.” The denial was strictly for form; Caedus knew Luke wouldn’t believe it. “But even if it were, now is hardly the time to discuss it. We’re a Squib’s hair from victory. After we crush the Confederation, I’ll be…”
    Krova’s voice came over the comm speaker. “I’m sorry to interrupt, Colonel Solo, but Admiral Bwua’tu is ready for the Hapans.” Caedus felt a knot unwind inside. Finally.
    “Tell Admiral Bwua’tu the Hapans will be coming shortly.” Caedus had retained personal control of the Hapan Home Fleet, determined to prevent any risk to Tenel Ka or Allana by not using it until victory was certain. He waited until Krova had acknowledged the order and closed the channel, then turned to his uncle.
    “I’ve told you all I know about Omas’s death, and I need to transmit that order myself. The Queen Mother insisted I take personal responsibility for committing her fleet.”
    Luke raised his brow. “You think you’re dismissing me?”
    “I know I am.” Caedus put an angry edge in his voice; he might be trapped in a humiliating position right now, but he was still the leader of the Galactic Alliance-and Luke was still its servant. “If you like, we’ll open an inquiry into Omas’s death after we’ve saved the Alliance.”
    Luke glared at Caedus for a long moment, then finally slipped off the desk. “Is that a promise?”
    “It is.”
    “Then I’ll take it for what it’s worth, “Luke said. Leaving Caedus Force-pinned in his chair, he started toward the door. “I’ll show myself out.”
    Caedus knew he would be freed as soon as Luke turned his concentration to something other than Force-pinning him-but that might take minutes, and Caedus needed to send in the Home Fleet now. Besides, he was the Chief of State of the Galactic Alliance, and he could not allow anyone, even Luke Skywalker, to humiliate him and simply leave. He had to assert some sort of authority.
    “Luke,” Caedus called. “Aren’t you forgetting something?”
    Luke stopped at the door and looked back, the rage in his face now softening to what looked like remorse. “You’re right. I should warn you that you’ll have to crush the Confederation without StealthXs. The Jedi can support you no longer.”
    “What?” Caedus was so shocked that he tried to rise- and found himself as unable to move as before. “You can’t desert now. We can end this war!”
    “We could destroy the Confederation fleets and kill a lot of rebels, “Luke admitted. “But I don’t think you can end this war, Jacen. I don’t think you even know what it’s about.”
    “That’s absurd.” Caedus did not understand how a man who had been fighting wars for forty years could be so foolish. “After their fleets are destroyed, Corellia and Both-awui will have to accept our terms, and once they’ve surrendered, the rest of the Confederation will have no choice but to come racing to rejoin the Alliance.”
    Luke shook his head and reached for the touch pad beside the door. “There’s always a choice, Jacen.”
    “And if you go through with this one, you’ll regret it.” Caedus could not understand why Luke wanted to desert him just when they were on the brink of saving the Alliance, but he did know how to prevent it. “Have you forgotten the academy?”
    The door opened. Instead of stepping through, Luke faced Caedus and spoke in a very calm voice. “I’m sure you’re not threatening the younglings.”
    He pointed at the base of Jacen’s meditation chair and made a tapping motion with his finger. The pedestal gave a loud whumpf, and the seat dropped a quarter meter.
    “Because you really don’t want to see me angry.” Luke made the tapping motion again. The pedestal emitted a metallic shriek, and the seat dropped another quarter meter. “And I think you’re smart enough to know that.”
    Luke tapped a last time, and the pedestal collapsed with a low loud crump, depositing Caedus on the floor with his feet sticking out in front of him like a child.

    “But if you want to try me, go ahead and make that threat.”
    Luke lowered his hand, and the weight vanished from Caedus’s chest. He could have leapt up to attack-had he been that foolish-but Sith were not slaves to their emotions. Avenging his humiliation could wait until after he had saved the Alliance. So, remaining on the floor where Luke had deposited him, Caedus simply touched the comm pad on his armrest. “Lieutenant, do we have an open channel to Prince Isolder yet?”
    “Actually,” Replied a deep Hapan voice, “You’re speaking to him now, Colonel Solo.”
    “My apologies.” Caedus looked across the day cabin to lock gazes with Luke. “Are you ready to commence your attack?”
    “I am, “Isolder said.
    Luke lowered his gaze and shook his head.
    “Then please proceed,” Caedus said. “And may the Force be with you.”
    “May it be with all of us,” Isolder replied. “If this plan doesn’t work, we’re going to need it.” The channel closed with a pop.
    Moving very slowly so his uncle would not misinterpret his actions as an attack, Caedus stood. “I know you too well,” He said to Luke. “You’re not going to abandon the Alliance.”
    “There is no Alliance.” Luke turned to leave. “It died with Cal Omas.”
    “For you, maybe.” Caedus couldn’t understand why his uncle was so focused on Omas’s death; it was one among millions, and even if Caedus had put the idea in Ben’s head, he hadn’t actually ordered the assassination.
    “But you are going to support this attack; I’m quite certain the Senate would frown on turning the security of the Jedi academy over to an order of deserters.”
    Luke’s hand brushed the hilt of his lightsaber, and Caedus thought for a moment that the fight he had been anticipating since Mara’s death-anticipating, dreading, and wanting-was finally going to come. He stepped away from the observation bubble, giving himself some maneuvering room in case Luke came at him in a tumbling pass.
    But Luke seemed to realize that attacking Caedus aboard his own Star Destroyer-even if he was fortunate enough to kill him-would only put the academy and the rest of his Jedi in an even more precarious position. He moved his hand away from his lightsaber and put it out to stop the door behind him from sliding shut.
    “Okay, Jacen,” He said. “If that’s how you want to play this, we will.”
    “It’s not how I want anything,” Caedus said. “But if that’s what it takes to win this war, I’ll do it.”
    Luke studied Caedus for a moment, then seemed to surrender to circumstances. “I don’t know why that surprises me, but it does.” His voice was weary and sad. “It looks like I should be getting back to my StealthX.”
    “It looks like you should,” Caedus agreed. “And may the Force be with you out there.”
    Luke snorted, half in disgust and half in humor. “Thanks, I guess.” He stepped through the door and started across the anteroom, his disappointment hanging in the Force as heavy as fog on Dagobah.
    “Good-bye, Jacen.”
    It did not escape Caedus that Luke had departed without returning the traditional kind wishes, but that was probably too much to ask of someone who had just been brought to task. Caedus waited until his uncle had passed out of sight, then closed the door and turned to find SD-XX standing at his back.
    “That went well,” The droid said. “For a time, it appeared you would have to kill him, too.”

  30. Jake_Uzumaki August 20, 2014 at 9:21 pm -      #30

    Luke’s actual duel with Darth Caedus, shows his pain tolerance etc.
    ——
    Legacy of the Force 6: Inferno
    Luke didn’t give Jacen a chance to surrender. He just sprang. Ben’s jaw dropped, and Jacen started to spin, snatching his lightsaber from his belt and igniting it in the same motion, bringing the emerald blade around high to protect his heart and head. But Luke was attacking low, striking for the kidney to disable in the most painful way possible. Jacen’s eyes widened. He flipped his lightsaber down in the same moment Luke’s met flesh.
    The tip sank a few centimeters, drawing a pained hiss as it touched a kidney, then Jacen’s blade made contact and knocked it aside. Even that small wound would have left most humans paralyzed with agony. But Jacen thrived on pain, fed on it to make himself stronger and faster. He simply completed his pivot and landed a rib-crunching roundhouse.
    Luke stumbled back, his chest filled with fire. Jacen had caught him on the barely healed scar from his first fight with Lumiya, and now his breath was coming in short painful gasps. Good, Luke thought. This was supposed to hurt.
    Jacen followed the kick with a high slash. Luke blocked and spun inside, landing an elbow smash to the temple that dropped Jacen to his knees. He brought his own knee up under Jacen’s chin, hearing teeth crack-and relishing it. He parried a weak slash at his thighs, then drew his blade up diagonally where his nephew’s chest should have been.
    Except Jacen was sliding backward, one hand extended behind him, using the Force to pull himself toward a tendril-draped rack in the far corner of the torture chamber. Luke leapt after him, bringing his lightsaber around in a low, clearing sweep.
    Jacen stopped pulling and started to swing his free hand around. Luke was ready, had been expecting this since the fight started. Still flying through the air, he raised his own hand, palm outward, and pushed the Force out through his arm to form a protective shield.
    The lightning never came. Instead, Luke was blindsided by something heavy and spiky, and his body exploded into pain as he slammed into a durasteel wall. He found himself pinned in place, trapped by a bed of thorns Jacen had hurled across the cabin. He felt the hot sting of the thorns pumping their venom into him. His hearing faded and his head began to spin, and he saw Jacen, one hand still raised to keep Luke pinned, sneering and taking his time rising. Bad mistake.
    Luke raised his lightsaber, slashing through the thorn bed as he sprang. Jacen scrambled to his feet, barely bringing his weapon up in time to block a vicious downstroke. Luke landed a snap-kick to the stomach that lifted Jacen a meter off the deck, then followed it with a slash to the neck-which Jacen ducked. He came up under Luke’s guard, holding his weapon with one hand and driving a Force-enhanced punch into Luke’s ribs with the other, striking for the same place he had kicked earlier. Luke’s chest exploded into pain, and he found himself croaking instead of breathing.
    Luke struck again with his lightsaber, using both hands and putting all his strength into the attack, beating his nephew’s guard down so far that Jacen’s emerald blade bit into his own shoulder.
    Jacen kicked at Luke’s legs, catching the side of a knee. Something popped and Luke felt himself going down. On the way, he swept his blade horizontally. Jacen screamed, and the smell of scorched bone and singed hair filled the air. Knowing Jacen would strike despite the wound, Luke rolled over his throbbing knee and spun back to his feet with a clearing sweep.
    His blade met Jacen’s in a shower of brilliant sparks. Luke freed one hand and drove a finger-strike at Jacen’s eyes.
    Jacen turned his head, but Luke’s little finger scratched across something soft and bulbous. Jacen roared and stumbled away, shaking his head. Luke feinted a dash toward his nephew’s blind side, then-as Jacen pivoted to protect his injured eye-Luke hit him with a Force wave.
    Jacen went flying, and it required only a soft nudge to steer him into a tendril-draped rack in the far corner. He hit with so much cracking and crashing that Luke worried the rack had broken, but the thin tendrils quickly entwined Jacen in a net of pulsing green.
    Luke started forward, his injured knee buckling each time he put weight on it. The rack’s slender tendrils were tightening around Jacen, cutting into his flesh and oozing a yellowish irritant that made skin puff up and split. Jacen began to slash his lightsaber up and down, cutting the vines away two and three at a time. If Luke wanted to finish this-and it seemed like a good idea, given how battered he was himself-he had only a few seconds.
    Luke closed to within two meters without saying a word. What point would there have been? Jacen wasn’t going to surrender, and Luke wouldn’t have believed him if he offered. It was better to attack quickly, while he still had the advantage. He brought his lightsaber up to strike.
    “Wait!” Ben cried from behind him. “Let me do it!”
    Astonished and appalled, Luke put a little too much weight on his injured knee-and fell as it buckled. He rolled beyond the reach of Jacen’s lightsaber and looked back across the chamber. Ben was still strapped in the Embrace, but he had summoned the vibrodagger off the floor and was battling to cut himself free of the chair’s lashing tentacles.
    Luke shook his head. “I don’t think so, Ben.”
    “You have to!” Ben insisted. “I deserve it!”
    “Deserve it?” Luke returned to his feet, far angrier with Jacen than he had been just a moment earlier. “To kill someone?”
    “You don’t understand, “Ben insisted. “It was my fault. If I don’t do this…”
    “I said no, “Luke interrupted. How could Ben believe that he had a right to kill someone? “You’re very confused, Ben. We’ll talk about this later.”
    Giving his son no further chance to argue, Luke turned back to Jacen, who by now was almost free. Only one leg remained caught, though it was still entwined in a half a dozen places. Luke limped forward, circling toward Jacen’s trapped side.
    Jacen stopped cutting at the tendrils and flung a hand toward the ceiling.
    “Dad, look — ”
    Luke was already throwing himself to the deck. A tremendous crash sounded from the illumination panel, and the chamber fell instantly dark. He rolled opposite the direction he had just been moving, but wasn’t quick enough. The fixture smashed into his head and shoulders, slamming his face into the deck. He heard something crunch in his nose and was instantly choking on his own thick blood.
    Jacen’s lightsaber droned twice, filling that corner of the torture chamber with flickering green light. Luke Force-hurled the light fixture off his back, then hobbled to his feet.
    Jacen launched himself over Luke in a high Force flip. They exchanged perfunctory attacks as he tumbled past, then Luke was alone in the corner, watching the green column of his nephew’s lightsaber move toward the door. Jacen was running.
    Luke spat out a mouthful of blood and Force-leapt after his nephew, at the same time reaching out to drag him back. They came together in a blinding flurry of sparks, their blades colliding faster than the eye could follow, filling the dark chamber with flashing fans of color. Blows came out of nowhere. Luke caught another kick in his knee and found himself calling on the Force to keep his balance. He landed an elbow and felt a bone in Jacen’s face shatter.
    Jacen stumbled back, groaning, the green light of his lightsaber briefly illuminating Ben’s face as the boy struggled to cut himself free. Luke pressed forward, angling toward the Embrace to keep Jacen away from Ben. Jacen fought his way over anyway, placing himself squarely between Luke and the chair, then gave ground and vanished behind the green ribbons his lightsaber was weaving through the darkness.
    Luke Force-leapt after him, knowing that this Jacen-the Jacen he had caught torturing his son-would not hesitate to take Ben hostage… or to kill him. Luke landed half a meter in front of Jacen’s lightsaber and quickly beat down his nephew’s guard-too quickly. When he did not glimpse a face in the light of his own blade, Luke knew something was wrong and stopped.
    Which was exactly what Jacen was waiting for, of course.
    Luke had barely started to turn before a loop of thin tendril slipped over his head and tightened around his throat, oozing toxin and cutting deep into the flesh. The wound swelled and burned as if it were on fire. Luke whipped his lightsaber around, trying to cut Jacen off his back, but Jacen was already spinning away, tightening his garrote and placing Luke’s body between himself and the deadly blade.

    Should have let me go when you had the chance, “Jacen snarled. “Now you’re done.”
    Luke slammed an elbow into Jacen’s ribs, but it was like hitting a permacrete wall. Instead of continuing to fight, he accelerated into the spin, using the Force to hurl them both into the nearest wall. Jacen hit first, his skull clunking hard into the durasteel. The garrote loosened a little. Luke dropped his lightsaber, bracing one hand against the other so he could use the strength of both arms to hammer his elbow up under Jacen’s chin.
    The garrote went completely slack. Luke followed up with a palm-heel to the same target, using the impact to drive himself away from his attacker and buy some maneuvering room.
    Then Jacen let out a bloodcurdling scream and stumbled away, a black silhouette vanishing into the darkness of the torture chamber.
    Luke stepped back in shock and confusion, summoning his lightsaber to hand, but knowing by the surprise in Jacen’s scream that this was not another trick.
    “It’s okay, Dad, “Ben said from beside him. “It’s just me.”
    Ben took the glow rod from Luke’s belt and activated it. Jacen was crawling across the torture chamber, the hilt of a vibrodagger protruding from between his shoulder blades. His face was inflamed and misshapen, his clothes were smoking and tattered, a hand-sized rectangle of scorched skull showed through his scalp, and still he was stretching a hand toward his lightsaber.
    Luke re-ignited his own lightsaber, then pointed out the door. “Artoo is in the hangar prepping a skiff for launch,” He said. “Go help him while I finish up here.”

  31. Ellie Williams August 20, 2014 at 11:20 pm -      #31

    So Link loses? How about Luke Vs Cloud then? No EU?

  32. Numinous One August 20, 2014 at 11:33 pm -      #32

    No EU is pretty much what we see in the movies, Luke would probably get blitzed.

  33. Jake_Uzumaki August 20, 2014 at 11:59 pm -      #33

    well..with just the movies tv show and word of god there is the George Lucas statement that Palpatine wanted Luke so he’d have a full power version of what Anakin was before his lava bath…and said full power Anakin made the embodiments of the Force kneel before him with his brain in the CG still canon show…and..well Luke is that same tier via word of god so…it’s something?

    And yeah Link looses, Luke is used to fighting at super-hypersonic speeds with swords made of burning plasma with telekinesis, brutal knee’s kicks punches elbows palm heels jabbing fingers into peoples eyes thrown in at said speeds….hell he jabbed Caedus in the eye even.
    He’s got a Jedi version of Sith Lightning that he supped up called Emerald Lightning which has even one shot killed Yuuzhan Vong who are outside the Force..and when he wants to can make even Sith Lords as helpless as invalids with the Force, full power the only question is how will Luke decide to end things.

  34. Ranger Lowk August 21, 2014 at 12:32 am -      #34

    “well Luke is that same tier via word of god so”

    I can believe that, statements like this
    i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo27/Apocalypse016/Myspace/i-have-the-high-ground-you-cannot-w.jpg
    Have no power over him like his father.

  35. Ranger Lowk August 21, 2014 at 12:38 am -      #35

    How about Luke vs Superboy… Is Luke more powerful or weaker then Starkiller in the force?

  36. Parry Boy August 21, 2014 at 12:58 am -      #36

    Well, well, well.
    F is for fun
    U is for U and me
    N is for anywhere, anyplace
    Where Luke stomps Link

  37. Jake_Uzumaki August 21, 2014 at 1:16 am -      #37

    @Lowk
    stronger.

    Also Luke has Shatterpoint..so any weakness in Link and his gear is exploitable to destroy or kill. Such as…the fact the Master Sword can be depowered (Wind Waker) which I recently read…which..well that would really suck if that flaw is something that would be picked up by Shatterpoint.

    Shatterpoint also means Link should avoid using the Four Sword which splits his soul in four..purposefully weakening your own being seems like a bad idea in this situation.

  38. Parry Boy August 21, 2014 at 1:18 am -      #38

    @jake
    Or it would exploit even more weaknesses.

  39. Aelfinn August 21, 2014 at 1:22 am -      #39

    Doesn’t Composite Link have some milk that gives him infinite magic for three days, and doesn’t he have armor that makes him invincible so long as he has magic? I also remember that he has an “invisibility” cloak that actually makes Link intangible.

    I’m surprised in the LoZ debaters. They usually bust out all the stops. That being said, this is EU Luke. That would throw anybody for a loop.
    =
    Lowk…please stop bringing up the prequels…it hurts.

  40. Jake_Uzumaki August 21, 2014 at 1:22 am -      #40

    Also Shatterpoints can be in moments not just objects..Luke could easily alter the course of the duel…if there is such…by taking advantage of any that crop up, but most likely the technique will only be in play with Link himself..I wonder if the fact this Link is a composite of many different people would count as a flaw in composite Link where he could be…shattered.

    @Parryboy
    well the Master Sword thing and Four Sword were just what I thought up while reading about Link’s techniques and such.

    @Aelfinn
    he does have that stuff but much like with Naruto he faces the problem of can he move fast enough to utilize it before being slammed by the Force or impaled by a lightsaber or crushed by the Force, or mind raped by the Force, or electrocuted with the Force, or choked by the Force..or whatever Luke feels like doing to him.

  41. Numinous One August 21, 2014 at 1:23 am -      #41

    “well Luke is that same tier via word of god so…it’s something?”

    It might be if Disney acts on it, they’ve got the budget and tech to do some nifty stuff.
    But without EU, Luke’s had like a week of training, Anikan took a few years to reach that point.

    So basically we just get to wait and see if Disney will follow through on that or shit all over the current canon facts.

  42. Aelfinn August 21, 2014 at 2:23 am -      #42

    Right, but does Luke have that speed? There’s a lot of text up there, if the speed feats have already been given, that’s great, but I haven’t read them yet. Also: do we allow Link a smidge of prep time? Say, 10 seconds?

  43. Parry Boy August 21, 2014 at 4:14 am -      #43

    @Numinous
    Sure hope they will, but nobody escapes singing a song or two.
    I mean seriously, there is a Phineas and Ferb movie set in the Star Wars universe.

  44. Kitten Lord August 21, 2014 at 5:08 am -      #44

    Aeflinn

    “Doesn’t Composite Link have some milk that gives him infinite magic for three days, and doesn’t he have armor that makes him invincible so long as he has magic? I also remember that he has an “invisibility” cloak that actually makes Link intangibl”

    Link does have that mask or something that allows him to become more or less invisible to the senses, e.g. people just dont notice him like those things in WoT you mentioned in the MTG thread. Cant remember what its called but if its on at the beginnig of the fight and if this is composite it likely will be then maybe Luke will face a fully amped link.

    As for indestructable armour, even if its true his armour only covers his body, I dont think link ever wears much fo a helmet and indestructable could be a bit of a no limit fallacy couldnt it? the strongest thing in his universe could not face Lukes output.

  45. Jake_Uzumaki August 21, 2014 at 9:16 am -      #45

    Emerald Lightning, no real travel time from what I can tell.

    The Unifying Force pgs 443-444
    “From Luke’s left hand gathered a blinding tangle of energy manipulated into being by the raw power of the Force. As if hitting an invisible wall, the warrior stopped short, then spasmed as green sparks began to coruscate around him. Enveloped he fell like a tree.”

  46. Aelfinn August 21, 2014 at 1:06 pm -      #46

    “As for indestructable armour, even if its true his armour only covers his body, I dont think link ever wears much fo a helmet and indestructable could be a bit of a no limit fallacy couldnt it? the strongest thing in his universe could not face Lukes output.”

    Apparently the magic armor creates a kind-of force-field around his entire body.
    zeldawiki.org/images/b/bb/Magic_Armor_Link.png

    Yeah, it’s a bit of a No Limits Fallacy, but the magic armor can survive pretty much any hit in-game (at least, the magic armor from Twilight Princess can), so it should still help here.

    IIRC, Link has magic armor that runs on rupies, and all of his wallets give him something like tens of thousands of them.
    =
    “Link does have that mask or something that allows him to become more or less invisible to the senses”

    Yeah, the stone mask. People can still see him, but they have to be particularly good at it, so it should give Luke trouble.

  47. Alpha or Omega August 21, 2014 at 5:56 pm -      #47

    @Jake Uzumaki
    “Such as…the fact the Master Sword can be depowered (Wind Waker) which I recently read…which..well that would really suck if that flaw is something that would be picked up by Shatterpoint.”
    /
    That was after time-stopping Ganondorf and his magic, his army, and the entire continent of Hyrule after the Great Flood put an ocean over hyrule. Which the Master Sword kept the time-lock for a long period of time.
    /
    @Aelfinn
    His other magic armor(Wind Waker version) is better. It runs on magic and does a better job.
    Nevermind that his magic consumption is reduced in both ALttP and ALBW

  48. Jake_Uzumaki August 21, 2014 at 6:11 pm -      #48

    @Alpha
    from what I read it was something Ganon himself had done that caused it, the fact remains though the power of the Master Sword is something that can be broken, which may come into play if Link is able to avoid a speedblitze. All it takes is Luke applying the Force in just the right way to affect a Shatterpoint. But I doubt it would come to that.


    Luke in cqc from the point of view of his nephew and future enemy Jacen Solo. Keep in mind Jacen is used to fighting with or seeing the battles of other supersonic Jedi and has fought many such people.

    “In most places the stairway wasn’t wide enough for the two people to stand abreast, and in those stretches Luke had to face the brunt of the attacks. He was his own vortex, deflecting amphistaff strikes, whiplike lashes, and spurts of deadly venom; dodging or redirecting flights of thud bugs; parrying the thrusts of coufees, to sidstep, duck, maneuver his body in ways that seemed to defy gravity. Stunned or burned by Luke’s green blade, thud bugs were ricocheting from the walls and high ceiling, chipping away at the yorik coral surface. Dropped in their tracks, warriors sprawled with hands pressed to the stumps of legs and opened foreheads or with black blood welling where the lightsaber had found defenseless areas between living armor and tattooed flesh.
    Jacen recalled watching his uncle on Belkadan, where the war had begun, wielding two lightsabers when he had come to Jacen’s rescue. But the rescue on Belkadan paled in comparison to the control Luke demonstrated now.
    His single blade might as well have been ten, or twenty.
    He took the steps at a lightning pace, burning his way through dilating membranes but in complete control of his momentum. Seen through the Force he was a maelstrom of luminous energy, a Force storm against which there was no shelter. And yet all his energy poured from a calm center; an eye. He made no missteps. None of his actions were interrupted by thought.
    In fact, Luke didn’t seem to be there at all——physically or as an individual personality.
    Jacen and Jaina were astounded—-but they had little time to reflect. Their lighsabers were busy, as well, turning the blows Luke dodged, or defending assaults launched from below.
    On the fourteenth level, where the Citadel’s exterior wings sprouted from the hull, they reached a fork in the stairway.
    Luke swung to Jacen. “Which way?”
    He wasn’t even breathing heavily ”
    Unifying Force pgs 419-420

  49. Alpha or Omega August 21, 2014 at 6:18 pm -      #49

    “from what I read it was something Ganon himself had done that caused it, the fact remains though the power of the Master Sword is something that can be broken, which may come into play if Link is able to avoid a speedblitze. All it takes is Luke applying the Force in just the right way to affect a Shatterpoint. But I doubt it would come to that.”
    /
    Other way around.
    The Master Sword kept Ganondorf and his magic underground.(Edit:Undersea…on the ground)
    So after he got out of the time stop, Ganondorf killed the two sages that were praying for the Master Sword. So over a long time, the Master Sword got weaker and lost its evil’s bane property.
    /
    My point was that you can break its power, but that would take a long time, and even if you did, all that would do is remove evil’s bane.

  50. Jake_Uzumaki August 21, 2014 at 6:41 pm -      #50

    *shrugs* I did say theoretically earlier. However the flaw is there, and even the nigh indestructible mandalorian iron has been destroyed by just a light tap from the hilt of a lightsaber when shatterpoint was used on it. While the Master Swords blade may take more than a tap that flaw in the nature of the weapon is there..however how or even if it would show up as a shatterpoint is speculation really, which is why I said if it would register as one.

    Somewhat odd question but has Link ever been injured seriously in the games?

  51. Alpha or Omega August 21, 2014 at 6:52 pm -      #51

    @Jake
    In all honesty, the Master Sword isn’t really that important in this match. If Luke was really evil, then it would be the best sword to use, but Luke is not.
    He has other swords that are one handed and would be better for this match such as the Four swords or the Phantom Sword that stops time.
    /
    He has been injured…
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCLdQ1rwEmY#t=72
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=egnFybOjYH8#t=549

  52. Alpha or Omega August 21, 2014 at 6:53 pm -      #52

    Ugh, hate it when the link turns into a video.
    The time is at 9:00 for the second video.

  53. Jake_Uzumaki August 21, 2014 at 7:11 pm -      #53

    It’s cool, I ask because old injuries can show up as Shatterpoints in a person that can be used to heavily damage a target. Broken ribs…places Link got stabbed or shot by arrows could be reopened, that kind of thing.

    as to his alternate swords, Four Swords would likely be a bad idea for the reason I said earlier (it splitting his soul and all potentially creating an exploitable shatterpoint)need to look up the Phantom Sword though.

  54. Mea quidem sententia August 21, 2014 at 7:13 pm -      #54

    How often does Luke use shatterpoint? Is it breaking molecular bonds? Is the Magic Armor (WW) made up of atoms?

    Why should anyone care if Luke fights people who move supersonic? (Is there evidence of enemies travling that fast?) Do these enemies always move like that?

    The Hylian Shield (SS) is the only shield to be considered nigh-indestructible. It is immune to heat, electricity, and curses, but Link has to use the shield to avoid injury.

    The Stone Mask makes Link uninteresting to attack, though exceptions are made for those who are perceptive. Magic Cape prevents detection and harm.

    These could probably be used to close the gap.

  55. Jake_Uzumaki August 21, 2014 at 7:21 pm -      #55

    So..anyone can wield the Phantom Sword? Not just Link? Because if that’s the case I’m sure it would look great in Luke’s free hand after he’s done teleporting it away.

    Fate of the Jedi: Omen, pg 229
    ” Luke caught Tadar’Ro’s eye and smiled a little. Then, before Ben knew what was happening, there was a sharp pop of displaced air. The Vor’cha stick simply vanished from his hands to reappear in his father’s. He gaped for a second, and then realized that while he had been studying so hard to learn flow-walking, Luke had readily mastered the other known Aing-Tii Force technique. He laughed a little as Luke tosed the stick back to his son. “

  56. Tails111 August 21, 2014 at 7:25 pm -      #56

    So in theory, Luke can steal all of Link’s weapons. Yikes.

  57. Jake_Uzumaki August 21, 2014 at 7:28 pm -      #57

    @Mea
    The speed stuff has been discussed in past matches, such as Luke vs Sephiroth.

    As for cloaking Luke was able to cloak one of the largest starships ever made by the Mon Calamari Shipyards, considering they make ships that are on scale with Star Destroyers..well I don’t think Luke will have trouble cloaking himself from view. Especially considering this takes place back between original trilogy films..Luke hadn’t even fully mastered his abilities yet. If Luke has to play a waiting game..he is more than capable.
    —-
    Black Fleet #3 – Tyrant’s Test

    When Luke closed his eyes and began breathing in deep, slow waves, Eckels noted it without comment. But he was not wholly surprised when, a short time later, the vagabond disappeared completely from view.

    “You have been practicing,” Eckels said, clapping Luke’s shoulder approvingly. “I confess I want to stay and document it almost especially the day when the Qella begin to emerge. But this is best, to leave them alone. Tell me, what will you have done least?” “I don’t know how long it will last,” Luke said, gazing down on the planet. “Maybe not long at all. The forces affecting the ship are complex, and my teacher said that my touch is still too heavy. I had to try, though- try to draw the curtain and give them back their privacy, give them some time to heal, to build.”

  58. Alpha or Omega August 21, 2014 at 7:30 pm -      #58

    @Jake
    “So..anyone can wield the Phantom Sword? Not just Link? Because if that’s the case I’m sure it would look great in Luke’s free hand after he’s done teleporting it away.”
    /
    Pretty much.
    /
    Tails111
    “So in theory, Luke can steal all of Link’s weapons. Yikes.”
    /
    There’s a lot of weapons though and some of them will be un-usable.

  59. Jake_Uzumaki August 21, 2014 at 7:36 pm -      #59

    @Tails
    Well probably not the Master Sword due to the whole can only be used by the Hero of Time thing..but everything else is potentially fair game, or Luke could just teleport it far out of Link’s reach I guess.
    ——————————-
    When Luke was much weaker than he is as the Grandmaster of the Jedi Order, he was able to move fast enough that a yell from Leia was still echoing after he was done moving and time seemed to slow to a crawl for him. He fights like this all the time after getting more mastery over the Force. Important part is Bolded.

    Shadows of the Empire pg.358-359
    The Force was with him. Whatever happened, happened. She leaped at him—She was impossibly fast. On his own, he’d never have dodged, but he was permeated with the Force. He stepped to his right and kicked at her as she flew past. Hit her on the hip and knocked her sideways, but not off her feet.

    “Good,” she said. Glad she thought so. She was supernaturally fast, and it was only by holding to the Force that he could being to match her.
    She circled, looked for an opening—
    “Luke—!”
    Leia’s scream distracted him. He flicked his gaze towards the sound of her voice, saw her and the others turn to look at him—

    It was enough for Guri. She took a long, sliding step and punched—Luke backpedaled, but even so, her fist hit him in the belly, hard.

    “Oooff!”. She followed up with an elbow, but he dived away, rolled and turned, came up with his hands lifted as she darted after him—He lost contact with the Force. He was on his own—She slapped him next to the ear and he went down hard. If he didn’t do something fast, she was going to kill him!

    The Force. Let it work for you, Luke.Luke heard Ben’s voice calling as if from a great distance, echoing across space and time. Yes. He managed a breath as Guri raised her hand, formed now into a blade instead of a fist, a grin of triumph lightingi her features—When he blew out his air, he blew his fear out with it. He had to trust the Force completely—Guri slowed, as if she were suddenly mired in thickened time. He saw her hand descending, saw it moving to smash him, but it was so incredibly slow, why, he could easily just roll aside and stand, before she ever reached him…He did so. He felt as if he were moving at normal speed, though there was a crackling feeling to his motion, a sound like a strong wind whistling about his ears.

    He came up, pivoted, thrust his open palm against the descending chop, shoved it aside. He used his left leg, a sweep that caught Guri behind the right ankle. Her feet left the floor, still moving in slow motion, and she fell, floated down, hit flat on her back…Time speeded up. Leia’s yell still echoed down the corridor. Guri hit the floor.

  60. Jake_Uzumaki August 21, 2014 at 7:43 pm -      #60

    Luke can sense auras and read minds.

    The Truce at Bakura pg.83
    The gloved governor’s savor in the Force licked and pushed at him. Nereus had an uncontrollable compulsion to dominate people, and that kept his delegation at attention. Luke knew the type: his ways were the only sensible ways. Anyone who countered him would capture his attention only long enough to be squashed: the quintessential Imperial governor.

    Luke kept himself open to perceive intent all around. So many nervous flickers tremored through the Force that simply looking calm strained his control. He didn’t intend to get fried by a trigger-happy trooper before Leia talked out a treaty.

    As Leia and Governor Nereus continued a guarded conversation, he stretched deeper and opened himself toward them again. Leia: calm and poised, not intimidated by Nereus. The governor: a facade of trained manners, the compulsion to dominate, and—underlying both—a gut-wrenching sense of terror. Surely not of us. Again, Luke thought of the despondent, not-quite human presences on that Ssi-ruuvi. Had he contacted captive Bakurans?
    ————————————–
    This is from Six months after Return of the Jedi, moving two kilometers in about two minutes…Link is decidely less than two kilometers away if I understand the setup correctly. And he has gotten faster as he’s gotten more control.

    Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor pg 81
    ” Using the Force to leap from rock to rock so swiftly he practically flew also relieved him of the need to watch his footing. He covered the two kilometers in about two minutes. “

  61. Jake_Uzumaki August 21, 2014 at 7:54 pm -      #61

    Luke also has oneness or Force Light, we saw a sample of it in post 48 where Luke was a maelstrom of the Force, in his duel with Abeloth, he went even further, so much power surging through his body that he was breaking down on the cellular level every second and kept fighting regardless, it’s an incredibly risky move but if he does it to this degree again his abilities increase tenfold..and Link is already in a tight spot with this fight.
    —-
    Fate of the Jedi: Vortex/pdf
    Luke raised his lightsaber and grasped the Sith in the Force, intending to bring him tumbling into an ignited blade … then felt something catch him across the ankles. He had no time to be astonished, barely even the nanosecond required to realize Abeloth had survived her fall into the cleft. He merely felt his feet shoot away and found himself dropping face-first. Luke tucked his chin and managed to flip to his back before he hit the stone floor. Abeloth was on top of him, her flesh blistered and smoking, her remaining leg entwining both of his, her remaining arm wrapped around the back of his neck. She drove the still-sizzling stump of her amputated arm into his throat, catching him square in the voice box and pressing hard. The cartilage began to give. He pushed back with the Force, reinforcing his larynx and trying to throw her off.

    It was no good. Abeloth had a dozen times the Force strength Luke had, and he could do no more than keep her from crushing his throat. He tried to bring his knee up and found his legs incapable of moving. She straightened her leg, forcing his knee to bend against the joint, and something gave with a muted pop. He slammed a Force-enhanced knuckle strike into her side and heard three ribs snap … and remained entangled. She dug her nails into the root of his ear, then twisted, and his head erupted in pain. He slipped his deactivated lightsaber between their bodies and jammed the blade emitter against her stomach. He thumbed the activation slide and saw the blade shoot out the other side.

    Still Abeloth held on, clinging to him like a self-tightening cargo cable. It seemed impossible to shake her, and Luke knew that he had to. To fail was
    to die, and take Ben with him. He reached out with the Force, grabbing for anything that might help him, anything to give him a second or a centimeter to counterattack. Half a dozen loose cushions rose from the seating tiers and bounced harmlessly past. He continued to reach, felt something heavy and liquid rising from the stage floor, and a glob of molten heat arced onto them, splashing across Abeloth’s back and spattering off the floor, driving tiny pinpricks of anguish into Luke’s arm and face where it hit him.

    A hundred-voiced wail erupted from Abeloth’s mouth, shrill and loud and inhuman. Plumes of greasy smoke shot from her back, and the smell of
    charred flesh grew sickening in the air. The heat of the magma burned through Abeloth’s body to sear him, and he heard organs sizzling inside her
    chest. Any normal being would have been dead by now. But Abeloth seemed to live in the Force as much as she did in a physical body, and now she was using the Force to animate a body that should have been in its death throes. Finally, the pressure on Luke’s throat eased—not much, but enough to draw breath. It made him hope he might survive … at least fight a few moments more. He continued to reach with the Force, now going higher toward the ceiling vault, and caught hold of one of the long crossbeams that held the roof in place. Luke pulled, trying to open a little space so he could gain his feet and fight, and they both began to rise.

    Abeloth pulled in the opposite direction, and they dropped back to the floor. Luke opened himself more fully to the Force, using his love for Ben and
    his lost wife and the entire Jedi Order to draw it into him. The foul miasma of dark side energy, still swirling into Abeloth, seeped into him, filling him with greasy nausea.But the light side rushed in, flowing in from all sides, pouring through him like fire. A golden glow began to rise from his skin—cells literally bursting with the power of the Force—and Luke felt them both start upward again. Abeloth countered, hissing in anger, and they hovered a hand span above the floor.

    A tremendous crack echoed down from the vaulted ceiling. They dropped again, hitting so hard that Luke’s breath left in a groan. Abeloth slammed
    down atop him, her single leg still wrapped around his, the stump of her arm driving harder into his throat. Something crunched in his larynx. His
    breath came in shallow, wheezy gasps, and the crushing hand of panic began to clench at his heart. Then a two-meter length of beam came plummeting out of the darkness and caught Abeloth across the back. The impact compressed his chest

  62. Jake_Uzumaki August 21, 2014 at 7:57 pm -      #62

    Luke merely looking at his options, considering destroying or mindraping entire ships with the Force.

    Specter of the Past/pdf
    “Okay. What do you want to do?”

    Luke looked out at the incoming pirates, a sudden tightening sensation in his stomach. There were many options, of course. He could reach out with the Force and damage the ships’ control surfaces, crippling them. He might even be able to wrench off whole hull plates or deform the weapons emplacements, tearing them apart with the Force alone. Or he could simply reach inside to the crews’ minds, turning them into helpless observers or even forcing them to surrender. For a Jedi Master with the Force as his ally, there were no limits. No limits at all.

    And then, abruptly, he stiffened, his breath seeming to freeze in his throat. There in front of him, starkly visible against the blackness of space, he could see the faint images of Emperor Palpatine and Exar Kun, two of the greatest focal points of the dark side he’d ever had to face. They were standing there before him, gazing back at him.

    And laughing.

    “Luke?”

  63. Alpha or Omega August 21, 2014 at 7:59 pm -      #63

    Uh, 2km/2min is 2000m/120seconds.
    That’s about 16m/s.
    Mach 1.2, about 343m/s, is 21 times faster than that speed.

  64. Jake_Uzumaki August 21, 2014 at 8:07 pm -      #64

    I said that was back when he was more inexperienced, that feat takes place only six months after Return of the Jedi.

  65. Jake_Uzumaki August 21, 2014 at 8:22 pm -      #65

    that said Luke could just apply what he did to this AT-AT to Link
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    Link is squishier under pressure than an AT-AT after all.

  66. Jake_Uzumaki August 21, 2014 at 8:26 pm -      #66

    Luke beating a Lava worm and then walking across lava.
    -It was like a religious procession. With Gantoris in the lead, the people of Eol Sha began a long march up the slope to the cracks of the lava. Luke walked straight and proud, determined not to show fear, though the people had already proved their murderous intentions. Despite his Jedi training, he was in very real danger. The oppressive moon hung overhead like a gigantic fist. Spires of lava rock jutted out of the hillside like rotten teeth. Gantoris did not slow his pace when the slope took a steep turn, but he stopped when they reached a sheltered opening in the volcano wall. Overhead a pall of smoke and ash hung in the air.
    “Follow me inside,” Gantoris told Luke. The others filed past, continuing along the rugged path. Luke stepped after him. He needed to earn Gantoris’s respect, if not trust. In this circumstance Gantoris was making all the rules.
    Gantoris strode confidently down the narrow passage into the dense shadows, a lava tube blasted through the side of the cone to ease the pressure from an ancient erupition. Up ahead a fiery orange glow lit their way. Luke felt growing anticipation mixed with dread with each step they took.
    The lava tube spread out, revealing a boiling lake of fire. Though the fissure opened to the sky, and other openings let in gusting cross-drafts, the chamber felt like the blast of an oven. Luke ducked his head, trying to shield his face with the damp Jedi hood, but Gantoris seemed unaffected.
    Squinting through the noxious gases belching from the lava, Luke watched the other people arrive on the far side of the chamber, lining up and waiting. All faces turned toward him.
    Gantoris had to raise his voice over the growling sounds of the churning magma. “Walk across the fire, dark man. If you reach the other side safely, I will allow you to teach me whatever you wish.” Without a waiting for a reply Gantoris disappeared back into the darkness of the lava tube.
    Luke stared after him for a moment, wondering if Gantoris could be serious–but then he noticed dark objects in the blaze of bright lava. Hard stepping stones of denser rock that did not melt but made a precarious path across the lake of fire.
    Was Gantoris testing his courage? What did the man want, and what did his dreams of a demonic “dark man” portend?
    Luke swallowed, but his throat was dry as a parchment. He stepped to the edge of the simmering lava. The stones beckoned, but common sense warned him to go back, to return to his shuttle and fly away. He could find other candidates for his Jedi academy. Threepio and Artoo must have uncovered some leads by now, and he himself had another possibility on Bespin. Luke hadn’t even tested Ganoris yet; why should he risk his life for someone who might or might not actually have Jedi potential?
    Because he had to. Forming a new order of Jedi Knights would be difficult, and if he flinched from the first test of his own powers, how could he consider himself worthy of attempting such a task? Impossible heat swirled around him. Stepping to the edge of the fire, Luke looked at the broken sky above him. Then he set his foot down on the first stepping stone. It supported his weight. Luke looked ahead, fixing his gaze on the opposite side. The gathered people kept watching. Lava bubble around him, belching noxious gases into the air. He tried to breathe in shallow gasps. He took another step. The other side seemed very far away. Blinking irritated tears from his eyes, he counted the stones ahead of him. Fourteen more. Luke stepped to the next one.
    Gantoris appeared on the far side, joining the other refugees of Eol Sha. Luke didn’t expect them to cheer him on, but they remained too eerily silent.
    Another step. Around him the lava gurgled like the belly of a giant beast, a hungry beast.
    Luke moved to another step, then another. A tendril of euphoria began to rise within him. This wasn’t as difficult as he had feared. He would be able to pass this test. With reckless courage and speed, he strode to the halfway point. Then the lava began to bubble and hiss more forcefully, gushing as something stirred below. The volcanic chamber throbbed with a sound that drummed from just below his range of hearing, but with enough to vibrate his teeth. He felt his stomach plunge with apprehension. He tensed, waiting to see what horror awaited him.
    Something lived within the lake of lava. Something moved.
    Suddenly a serpentlike creature burst above the surface, hissing like rocket fuel caught on fire. The fireworm had a triangular head and pointed ear tufts. Crystalline scales armored every inch of its body. Its wide eyes were jewels glowing with a fire of their own. Insulated air intakes sucked in the hot atmosphere, filling bladders deep within the creature’s core and making it rise to the surface of the lava pool, huge and fierce. The silicon armor plates glittered like mirrors in the firelight. Luke kept his precarious balance on the stepping stone, avoiding sudden death in the molten rock, then leaped to the next rock. As the fireworm rose and coiled above him, he knew he could never outrun the monster. He stopped and found secure footing. Instinctively, he drew his lightsaber, igniting it with a snap-hiss. The green glow of his blade fought against the fiery orange of the lava chamber.
    On the far side of the lava lake, the gathered people of Eol Sha watched in silence, unmoving.
    The fireworm glared down at Luke with its viper’s head. It opened a vast metallic mouth and spewed congealing lava at the wall. Armored intakes continued to suck air, raising coils of the behemoth’s body to the surface. Luke held up his lightsaber, but it seemed pitifully small to a fight a lava dragon. With an ultrasonic bellow the fireworm dove beneath the magma again, splashing molten rock into the air. Luke danced from stepping stone to stepping stone, trying to avoid the deadly fireball. Globs of lava set his Jedi cloak on fire, but Luke managed to yank it over his shoulders and toss it into the bubbling pool, where it burst into bright flames. He held his lightsaber in front of him. His eyes widened. He reached out with his Jedi sense, trying to second-guess the creature. His every nerve was tuned, ready to respond, but he saw only the restless surface of the lava.
    “Where are you?” he whispered.
    The fireworm’s head exploded out of the lava on the other side, rearing up to strike. It plunged down, opening its huge mouth to reveal fangs like stalactites. Luke whirled, bringing up his lightsaber and dancing back to the previous stepping stone. As the fireworm struck, Luke slashed with his humming green blade. But when the lightsaber smashed against the mirrored armor plates, the glowing green edge refracted into a thousand components, splitting and ricocheting around the chamber. Sparks showered all around him. The energy blade that could supposedly slice through anything broke only one small silicon plate. On the other side of the chamber, the people of Eol Sha ducked to escape the flying shards of green power. Splintered rock fell into the magma lake. Luke knew he could not use his lightsaber against the monster again. The fireworm yowled in surprise more than pain, then dove for refuge under the lava. Luke crouched, desperately trying to figure out what he should do next. He turned, ready to run to the other side where the people waited for him. The fireworm would return any minute. He didn’t know how much time he would have.
    Suddenly, the creature launched itself out of the lava, roaring and hissing and making sounds too horrible for Luke to describe. He turned, lightsaber in hand and ready to die in battle–but now the monster had no interest in him at all. Gouts of acrid smoke poured from the chink in the silicon armor, where lava at its way into the fireworm’s body core. The creature writhed and tossed, spewing lava into the air, killing it from the inside out. Burning within, the fireworm thrashed in agony, spraying lava as flames and foul smoke boiled out of the tiny breach in its armor. When the fiery rock burned through to the fireworm’s inflated air bladders, the creature exploded. Splatters of hardening lava rained down. Luke managed to deflect most of the burning chunks with the Force, but some scorched his back and shoulder. The fireworm’s death throes churned waves in the molten rock, then gradually subsided.
    Luke raised his eyes, blinking in disbelief. The people of Eol Sha still waited for him.
    Most of the stepping stones had been washed away in the turmoil. Nothing but impassible lava remained between him and Gantoris. He could not finish his journey. Giddy with terror and a backwash of possibilities from the Force, Luke stared at the impassible river of flames between him and his goal.
    He thought of the potential for his proposed academy, for the return of the Jedi Knights. The New Republic needed him. He had to complete his promise. He would gather candidates to teach the ways of the Force. He would. Without a doubt in his mind, still throbbing with the Force after his battle against the fireworm, he closed his eyes.
    Luke walked across the lake of fire.
    He did not think about it. The lava refused to touch his feet. Only the Force burned bright around him. One step after another, he strode across the flaming rock, letting himself see nothing but his goal until he stood again on solid ground on the far side of the lake of fire, with Gantoris and his people.
    When he reached safety, he nearly collapsed with relief, but he could not allow himself to show a change of expression. He tired not to think about what he had just done. Gantoris stood before him, an expression of awe on his broad face. The others backed away, but Gantoris remained motionless. He swallowed as he met Luke’s gaze. “I will abide by my promise.” He drew a deep breath. “Teach me how to use this mysterious power within me.”
    –Taken from Jedi Academy: Jedi Search

  67. Jake_Uzumaki August 21, 2014 at 8:46 pm -      #67

    This is from one of the Dark Empire audiobooks (I’m actually pulling the quote from Luke vs Obito though)
    Luke and Palpatine were moving so fast Leia could no longer see them.

    Luke: “No! I made a mistake! I thought I had to save the galaxy alone. All by myself. But the way of the Jedi is not a solitary path.”
    Leia: “The holocron!! Luke, the holocron told me to “join with my brother!” ”
    Luke: “Yes. The Force binds us. Brings us together. Many people are fighting this war, together! Our ally is the Force! Through the strength of the Force, your shroud of evil has been lifted from my mind! ”
    Emperor: “So be it. Through the power of the Force, you will die!”
    Leia: “Be careful, Luke! The Force is strong… they’re both moving so fast, I can hardly see them… I feel waves of power… the Dark Side and the Light but I feel the Light… is winning!”
    Emperor: “Argh~! My hand~! You’ve cut off my hand~!”
    Luke: “Now, “Your Highness,” we will escort you to the Alliance base, where you will surrender the Galaxy to the New Republic!”

  68. Jake_Uzumaki August 21, 2014 at 8:48 pm -      #68

    rebuilds then redestroys a large building.

    He sat down on the sand, cross-legged and straight-backed, and brought his hands together in his lap, fingertip to fingertip. Concentrating on a picture in his mind, Luke dipped his awareness deeply into the flow of the Force beneath him. With eyes that looked inward, he found what he was seeking, like flaws in a near-perfect crystal. He extended his will.
    The sand around him stirred. The rocks shuddered, shifted, then began to rise from the sea and the sand as though sifted from them by an invisible screen.
    Swirling through the air as they sought their place, the stones took shape as broken wall and shattered foundation, as arch and gate and dome-the ruins of Darth Vader’s fortress retreat. It hung in the air around and above Luke as it had once stood atop the cliff, a dark-faced and forbidding edifice.

    Now the stones swirled again in the air, joined by others plucked from the sea and stripped from the face of the cliff. Now broken edge fused against broken edge, and the dark faces of the rock lightened as their mineral structure was reshuffled. Now heavy rock walls and floors thinned to an airy elegance as if they were clay in a potter’s press.
    Now a tower stretched skyward until it rose above the edge of the cliff.
    When it was done, the last gap closed, the last rock transformed, the structure securely perched just above the sand on pillars of stone extending down to the bedrock, Luke brought the E-wing down the beach and nestled it in the chamber he had made for it. It was not a door that closed over the opening, though, but a solid wall that closed out not only the wind and the cold, but the world.

    Extending his hands and his will, Luke found the points of greatest stress within the structure and pressed upon them, found the points of greatest fragility and sundered them. With a roar that momentarily rivaled the wind, the hermitage collapsed in on itself, crushing the fighter still sealed within it.
    But that was not enough to satisfy Luke, not enough to forever erase the temptation. One after another, he raised the pieces of the ruined hermitage, the broken ship, up out of the sand and into the air, crumbling them with the force of his thoughts, until it was a dense, swirling cloud of pebble-sized fragments and metal bits.
    Then, with a final, explosive effort of will, he hurled the cloud of debris far out beyond the breakers, where it rained down on the churning water and vanished from sight.

  69. wingedlion August 21, 2014 at 10:09 pm -      #69

    @alpha
    what’s your gravatar?

  70. Alpha or Omega August 21, 2014 at 10:36 pm -      #70

    Shantae

  71. wingedlion August 21, 2014 at 10:41 pm -      #71

    @alpha
    from where?

  72. Alpha or Omega August 21, 2014 at 10:46 pm -      #72

    From…Shantae

  73. wingedlion August 21, 2014 at 11:40 pm -      #73

    @alpha
    oh that’s the name of the game? my bad then.

  74. Xornell August 22, 2014 at 8:44 am -      #74

    Oh, hey. So I was really just thinking this is a fair (as in both characters are in their most powerful incarnations), no holds barred competition to see who is the stronger protagonist. I thought about limiting Luke’s tk, but in the end went along with the “fuck it” approach. The way I see this going is Luke turning link’s brain into a slushie, although I also anticipated more LoZ debaters/fanboys to counter. NZ is never around when you need him.

  75. Jake_Uzumaki August 22, 2014 at 8:52 am -      #75

    wasn’t NZ banned or something a while back?

  76. Xornell August 22, 2014 at 9:36 am -      #76

    Yes. Yes he was.
    Don’t we have a few other LoZ fans who usually hang around, though?

  77. Jake_Uzumaki August 22, 2014 at 9:52 am -      #77

    I don’t think any that are fervent enough to debate this fight, really I think NZ was the only one to fervently argue for Link in that one from what I’m reading (looking at the fight again now) though a lot of the match was a discussion of ways it could potentially be made fair..
    That said it’s a somewhat similar issue here, Link is facing an opponent much faster who can toss him around with telekinesis that can rip apart large buildings there are a few way Link could potentially survive for a while but the question is would they only prolong the inevitable? Even if Link activates a 3 day invincibility combo would it help him if Luke just throws Link into the upper atmosphere? Or just lift him into the air and crash him into the ground repeatedly at terminal velocity till it wears off, Luke once spent a week in a meditative stance (sitting lotus style essentially) sending a constant telepathic call across the galaxy to all Jedi, compared to that 3 days tossing a teenager in a green tunic around is childsplay.

  78. Commander Cross August 22, 2014 at 5:49 pm -      #78

    @Xornell at #76

    A decision that will forever haunt and scar the site for my moolah’s worth, for all I care.
    Anyone wants to go in-depth on who else ought to be banned next, take it up at the chatroom or if you go on skype, talk about it there, got it?

    ___

    In the meantime, is it agreed we’re going with the options noted at Posts #01* or #09*, whichever would be better?

    If either post gets followed, hopefully the options from post #01, I Might consider backing up Side B, if neither of them are followed through, you may as well go ahead and suggest Post-Changes Dresden vs Kirito from Sword Art Online or Post-NJO Luke vs Original!-Tenchi Masaki(Post-OVA 3) in a non-swordfighter’s bout and be done with it.*

    __

    I had to say it aloud, holding silent will never be good on anyone at all, not even me.

    1.) (Granted, I proposed the options on that post, really.)
    2.) (If My Options at post #01 Aren’t opted, I’ll admit it’s the next best thing, really.)
    3.) (Either of those fights would lead us to the same kind of situation as we’ve got here, If we’re lucky, which is to say ‘if it don’t work, don’t do it,’ and at least on the latter Post-NJO Luke has the Dagger of Abeloth to use if need be.)

  79. Marcel August 23, 2014 at 5:07 pm -      #79

    “Don’t we have a few other LoZ fans who usually hang around, though?”

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIwlTWAcaVg

    “How about Luke vs Superboy… Is Luke more powerful or weaker then Starkiller in the force?”

    Hax goes to Luke, raw power goes to Marek. Would be an interesting battle.

    As for this fight, it’s not as cut-and-dried as it would otherwise be if it were not composite Link. All of his magic armours (together giving him literal hours worth of invincibility), a strength advantage over Luke via GGGauntlets power bracelets, etc, incredible resistance against possession and mind muckery, unlimited magic for three days (chateau Romani), Pegasus boots (can outrun arrows), consistent arrow-timing reflexes and even faster swing speeds, able to see his enemy’s life force and know when he/she/it is dead + whether or not his attacks are working (Hero’s charm), regeneration (cane of Byrna), and a hecka lot of spells and gadgets.

    In short, EU Luke stomps any single incarnation of Link, but Composite Link may even win this match against Luke. I’m excited to see how this goes down; this is a great match!

  80. Commander Cross August 23, 2014 at 5:21 pm -      #80

    @Marcel at #79

    “In short, EU Luke stomps any single incarnation of Link,”

    Post-NJO-wise, yes for better or for worse. T_T

    “but Composite Link may even win this match against Luke.”

    Debatable on Total Composite Link’s odds against Post-NJO Luke, though ideally speaking TC Link’s no sitting duck.

    Anywho, did you check out the posts at #01 or #09 to see which one’s more agreeable to work with?

    Somehow I feel that we ought to have gone with most equal incarnations allowed for both sides if anything, really.

    Also, how does the Powers of the Fierce Deity’s Mask hold out the minute the fighting starts?
    The Powers could be nothing that a hit from Abeloth’s Dagger can’t deal away with if Post-NJO Luke still got it, but it’s worth a shot in the dark to ask.

    What about The Great Fairy Sword from Majora’s Mask?

  81. Marcel August 23, 2014 at 5:50 pm -      #81

    @ Cross

    I’ll try to answer this when I have time; working two jobs at the moment and I have to go to work again. Composite Link has well over a hundred upgrades/items in his arsenal, so outlining each one is no easy task. Again, I’ll try to answer your question as well as outline the more relevant ones when I have time.

  82. Aelfinn August 23, 2014 at 6:36 pm -      #82

    Doesn’t Link have a bunch of speed-increasing items?

    This is mostly hear-say, but I think the Bunny Hood makes Link run 1.5X as fast, the Pegasus boots allow him to run 4X as fast, and the Pegasus seed makes him “as fast as the legendary steed”. If all that’s true, it really might just push Link up to 300 miles per hour. Someone with a bit more knowledge could confirm, but…that’s what composite Link can do.

    Not to mention it, but doesn’t the Four Swords allow him to split into four separate copies of himself with all his gear?

  83. Ragnorke August 23, 2014 at 6:49 pm -      #83

    Just something to keep in mind, jedi/sith need to know where a target is to force choke em, & the force doesn’t allow them to sense people with pinpoint accuracy (only a general area)…
    So if Link has any invisibility items, they are very much a viable method to win.

  84. Commander Cross August 23, 2014 at 7:02 pm -      #84

    @Councilor Aelfinn at #82

    Even Pre-NJO Luke as of Dark Empire onward can run and move 3x as fast as Total Composite Link could run, if this is the case and it can’t be forgotten.
    (900+ miles per hour’s not anything to take lightly.)

    Then again that’s Mobility-wise being asked about, not Combat Speed

    @Ragnorke at #83

    The Cape of Byrna(Spell-check, please?) was mentioned somewhere, and it makes any Link using it, let alone a Link based on one of the 3 Great Timelines or TC Link in here intangible as well as invisible if I’m not mis-recalling.

    Either way, if there’s a snowball’s shot in Hell in making Post-NJO Luke vs Total Composite Link work, I’m all ears for it, though my post at #01 still stands if everyone else agrees to it anyway.

  85. Ranger Lowk August 23, 2014 at 7:34 pm -      #85

    “Just something to keep in mind, jedi/sith need to know where a target is to force choke em, & the force doesn’t allow them to sense people with pinpoint accuracy (only a general area)…”

    Is that still the case in EU? I thought that was just a movie only thing.

  86. Ranger Lowk August 23, 2014 at 7:54 pm -      #86

    Nevermind found the answer.
    “”Who’s up there firing the blaser cannons?” Han asked.
    “Luke,” Leia said, and Han looked down the hallway, confused. You could fire the blasters from the cockpit, but only with greatly reduced accuracy. Yet Luke had nearly taken Gethzerion’s head off, with Han less than a meter away, while piloting this hunk of junk at full attack speed. The whole thing was just too darned spooky.
    Luke sweated from the effort of flying the Falcon. Levers and buttons on Chewie’s control panel seemed to take on a life of their own as Luke manipulated them with the Force. The Jedi was doing the work of three–pilot, co-pilot, gunner.

    –The Courtship of Princess Leia, paperback, pg. 35

    So Luke at least can manipulate stuff without seeing them.

  87. Ragnorke August 23, 2014 at 8:04 pm -      #87

    “Is that still the case in EU? I thought that was just a movie only thing.”

    Ahh right, totally forgot this was EU.

  88. Commander Cross August 23, 2014 at 8:09 pm -      #88

    @Ranger Lowk at #85

    I can’t recall whether or not that’s the case in Ancient Star Wars, then again in terms of Badassitude-by-Numbers individual-wise, a lot of it could be moot if anyone’s geared accordingly.

    Some individuals from Modern Star Wars(Force-User or otherwise) could hit harder than their Ancient counterparts though, and even Early-Post-Endor Luke’s not too lacking at all either.

    Whether anyone likes it or not, if a Star Wars Civil War between Ancient and Modern happens, it’s not gonna be all cut-and-dry to say the least.

    ___

    Elaborating in-depth’s for another time though.

  89. Jake_Uzumaki August 23, 2014 at 8:20 pm -      #89

    another example of not needing to see someone to smack them upside the head with the Force.

    Fate of the Jedi 4: Backlash PDF pg 181-182
    ” Now he could feel, even visualize, the Force energy net above him. But he didn’t want the whole thing. Just a strand…

    He followed that strand across the sky, then down, as it separated from the weave and became a single pure channel of Force energy, dark-side energy. He followed it to the trees, to the ground.

    There stood a woman. He could almost see her in his mind’s eye—tall, strong, even beautiful in the savage fashion of the women of Dathomir. Her hair was red like Mara’s. That caused him a little twinge of sadness but did not thrust him out of his meditation.

    Nor did it cause him to abandon his current objective.

    Beside him, the pile he had made—a dozen fist-sized rocks—rose into the air. Higher and higher they went, until they reached the Force net, until they met the strand he had selected.

    The Nightsisters were preparing tactics against Luke Skywalker. So be it. For the next little while, he would be someone else.

    Because the mercenary Carrack had been effective against them, the Nightsisters had eliminated Carrack. So be it; for the next little while, Luke would be Carrack…in his tactics and in his role, at least.

    His cloud of rocks now moved laterally, following the Force strand he had selected.

    It curved downward as the strand did. In his mind’s eye, Luke followed it while the rocks separated by a few hand breadths and picked up speed.

    In the distance, he saw the tiny speck of the redheaded Nightsister. She rapidly grew in his mind’s eye as the rocks neared her.

    At the last instant, having some presentiment of danger, she looked up. Then the cloud of rocks hit her.

    The image disappeared. The strand of Force energy stemming from the Nightsister instantly evaporated. The net above twitched and weakened.

    Rancors began sailing down the slope to Luke’s left. He opened his eyes to watch. First was one whose Force presence was already failing. Its face was a ruined mess. Next was a flailing, howling beast whose head was on fire.

    Luke sighed. He did not wish their deaths. But where men and women chose to wield the Force to achieve unnatural ends, death always resulted ”

    Link is not going to take as long to locate as he is..decidedly closer to Luke, whether he appears as a hole in the Force or connected to a strand Luke can find him, and kill him.

  90. Xornell August 23, 2014 at 10:44 pm -      #90

    I have things to add here but I also want to wait until it gets a little more… Clusterfuck-ey.

  91. Aelfinn August 23, 2014 at 11:49 pm -      #91

    “Even Pre-NJO Luke as of Dark Empire onward can run and move 3x as fast as Total Composite Link could run, if this is the case and it can’t be forgotten.
    (900+ miles per hour’s not anything to take lightly.)”

    When did Luke run 900 miles an hour?

  92. Commander Cross August 23, 2014 at 11:55 pm -      #92

    @Councilor Aelfinn at #91

    Somewhere in one of the quotes from Post-NJO Luke vs Kharn the Betrayer, it definitely happened with some of the later Post-Endor Pre-NJO incarnations the last I checked and it happened somewhere in ‘Dark Empire’, I could check the thread for the quote if anyone needs it.

    It happened from ‘Dark Empire’ onward.
    ____

    As I stated before, my recollections might be hazy-at-best a lot of times, but it was mentioned somewhere if it helps.

    @Xornell at #90

    How does it stack up to Post #01* or Post #09
    exactly in terms of bright ideas?

    I do hope it happens to be mutually agreeable.

    1.) (Post done by yours truly, might I add?)

  93. Xornell August 24, 2014 at 12:45 am -      #93

    “How does it stack up to Post #01* or Post #09
    exactly in terms of bright ideas?”

    I mean, you all can debate whatever scenarios you find interesting with this. I was merely looking for the top version of both characters with all their gadgets and abilities. But we could certainly extend this into swordplay or whatever too.

  94. Commander Cross August 24, 2014 at 2:07 am -      #94

    So first out, if we go with A reasonably powerful Post-Endor incarnation of Luke(not necessarily Post-NJO right away) to go face either a reasonably powerful Individual Link or a Link based on one of the 3 Great Timelines*, things will get interesting if we hold Post-NJO Luke vs Total Composite Link at the final round.

    The Pure Swordsmanship bit can go either way with incarnations, but for first round, the above-noted incarnation regards are best to start.

    Also depending on the Post-Endor Pre-NJO incarnations in mind, each of the individual Links or any of the 3 Links I noted have an upper limit with said incarnations, do keep that in mind as well.

    1.) (Whichever is better, and there are 3 Timelines being The Decline Timeline, the Child Timeline and the Adult Timeline, ‘Decline’ is where the events from A Link To The Past began onward, ‘Child’ chronologically started with Twilight Princess a Hundred or so years after The Hero of Time’s/N64 Link’s campaign led to N64 Link preventing OoT Ganondorf from taking the Triforce, and ‘Adult’ arrives after N64 Link’s slaying of Ganondorf’s Divine Demonic Form when he, N64 Zelda and the Sages had to pull out all the stops to seal Ganondorf away, and it basically starts with the events that led us to The Windwaker where WW/PH Link gets chosen by Fate and Destiny, but circumstances nudged him to them more or less.)

  95. Mea quidem sententia August 24, 2014 at 10:39 am -      #95

    I still feel like my previous post since this one did not receive answers in its entirety. I don’t think Link will win, but questions need to be addressed. If they need clarification, I will clarify.

    Let’s also put character into this match like we should do with all matches. Let’s not assume a character will perform a specific action if he has never done so before.

    I should also note that we should consider how often this specific action is performed and what the likelihood would be if an action was performed before, but never done so again.

  96. Ragnorke August 24, 2014 at 10:56 am -      #96

    @Mea
    That’s called CIS, and it’s always included in matches. ^^
    However, the match rules say they’re both out to kill each other, which is against both characters standard CIS… therefor they have a little more freedom in what they can do and what they’re limited to.

  97. Friendlysociopath August 24, 2014 at 11:00 am -      #97

    “Let’s also put character into this match like we should do with all matches. Let’s not assume a character will perform a specific action if he has never done so before.”

    I think that’s pretty standard practice, that’s why people are bringing up quotes when they say Luke can do something.

    Question in regards to Link though, can he ‘stack’ his equipment? As in could he have a mask on, magical armor, and his magic cape all active at once?

  98. Mea quidem sententia August 24, 2014 at 4:43 pm -      #98

    I understand, for example, that Bruce Wayne will not kill, but that CIS will be overridden if it prevents him from killing when it’s a death match. All I’m saying is that if a character performs x once, but never does this again in the series, it’s a question of character on whether the selfsame character will perform that act again.

    Friendlysociopath, in-game, Link cannot use both the Lens of Truth and magic arrows simultaneously because one is being used. I cannot say this is exactly consistent, so I’m not certain if it’s a game mechanic or if that’s a restriction on Link.

    I know that in OoT/MM, this applies, but it’s been too long since I’ve played WW, and I’m not all too familiar with other Zelda games. I’ve only played OoT/MM, WW, ALttP, OoA, TP, and SS, which I haven’t completed, but watched my brother finish. Marcel may be your best bet.

    Otherwise, it’ll need to be proved that it’s not a game mechanic, simply because as far as I’m aware, there haven’t been any contradictions. As for stacking, though, I see that mostly in the Metroid series.

    With a bit of realism, I’d say Link could wear the Golden Gauntlets, but wearing another pair of gloves over or under will hinder Link’s ability to grab, and possibly wield a weapon properly or set one up like a bow and arrow.

    Power Bracelets might get in the way, too, but a better bet would be Power Bracelets and rings to increase his strength, attack power, and defense. But, anyway, concerning Link’s speed, Aelfinn, Zelda.com said Link can run 4x as fast with the Pegasus Seeds/Boots, but I don’t know how reliable it is, considering its inaccurate information on a majority of other things.

    I don’t know how fast Link’s arrows travel in ALttP, but I have also tested the Pegasus Boots after firing an arrow and Link catches up and runs past it. I know the general speed for arrows is 200 mi/h, but this is applying a real-world object into a game.

    If we begin applying real-world things into fictional worlds, then this would seem to become a rule that anyone who agrees with it, must follow to its fullest, else they are inconsistent with their way of thinking. If we applied this, we’d end up having Link run at least around 500 to 600 mi/h, at least in ALttP with the Pegasus Boots.

    I’ll explain my reasoning. Assume Link’s arrows travel 200 mi/h. After that, Link has to charge his running for maybe 500 milliseconds (0.5 sec.). The arrow is traveling still, but now Link has to catch up to it, meaning he would have to be traveling faster than 200 mi/h. He then runs past it, so as you can see, that’s why I ended up saying 500 to 600 mi/h.

    Like most 16-bit games, though, characters do not appear to be traveling the speed they are said to. Sonic doesn’t look like he’s moving faster than speed, nor does Samus, and Soma doesn’t look like he’s attaining transonic speed, either. I’m not sure what we’re all supposed to think of concerning this.

    Of course, this could explain why Link cannot easily turn when using the Pegasus Boots. 😉

  99. Friendlysociopath August 24, 2014 at 5:02 pm -      #99

    “With a bit of realism, I’d say Link could wear the Golden Gauntlets, but wearing another pair of gloves over or under will hinder Link’s ability to grab, and possibly wield a weapon properly or set one up like a bow and arrow.”

    That’s more along the lines of what I meant, pretty much every Link debate I’ve ever seen across the internet just mentions Link having every tool, he still doesn’t have them all “on” at once. Stopping to change his equipment in battle is damn-near an instant victory for his opponent.

  100. Rookie August 25, 2014 at 1:20 pm -      #100

    Link is now small-army buster))) (yet at the same time he was mindrapped rather easily, so this won’t help him much, I guess):

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=6id8JTaKkn4#t=134

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