Faltered Resuscitation

Faltered Resuscitation

By Ezeekial Zoratium

I know my opinion probably no longer holds any weight around here anymore due to the induction of more “seasoned” and “serious” debaters, but fuck man…I don’t know what it is. Argumentatively, the site is doing just fine, except for the fact that somehow the Covenant is on par with factions inside the Star Wars universe, or how universes such as WH40k and Star Wars are being downplayed while Star Trek and other franchises formerly regarded as lower tier can now hold their own based off of practically no evidence whatsoever. I’ll give credit where it’s needed, however. ZomB, Xornell (despite the annoying as fuck avatar), Ragnorke, and Ober Herr are quality debaters. I don’t have to forage through regurgitated fanboyism just to understand what is going on. You have also provided me with info on universes that I had no idea what their capacities were. Xornell especially, you make reading stats and power outputs enjoyable like they used to be during the days of AlphaCommando and the like.

That being said, aside from the debating there is really nothing pulling me (or if I am as communally cognizant to the desires of others, anyone else for that matter) to the main site anymore. The only reason I’m not contributing like I used to is due to the fact that the Colorado legal system has tried so hard to inseminate my rectum with their abominable seed of pro social quid pro quo and the ubiquitous threat of annihilation if I even so much as thrust a scalpel into the air out of sheer defiance. The short version is, I can’t have my camera to make comics with and I have no idea what the fuck is going on with any of the newcomers or erstwhile denizens. I feel like the Vietnam veteran they only keep around to keep ties with their past and by extension the seeming validity the presence of elders provides, but other than that everyone thinks I’m incurably insane. It fucking sucks. Yet for whatever reason I can’t muster it up to just leave this once and for all. I want to stay, but have I become antiquated? I’m not even feeling sorry for myself when I ask this, I’m being dead fucking serious. This comes as an admonition to not let whatever argumentative prowess you have become a form of elitism, shit, I already deal with enough of that on the Topia where no one reads my posts or heeds them in anyway due to being pigeonholed as the neighborhood incorrigible.

I only approach thee in so accessible a venue because I don’t want to lose my roots to this place. I’m the last of a nigh extinct species. Who is still around from 2009 on here anymore? I have seen my fair share site adaptations and re-configurations. For the most part the lot of you are indistinguishable. Maybe once I am exonerated from these manacles I can inject the site yet again with my own flair. I know a hell of a lot of you would appreciate that. So far almost the whole cast list for my comics is gone, giving the rest of you a chance for the effigial arrival you’ve all been waiting for. I don’t want this to come off as bitching, that wasn’t my intention. Just heed the warnings of the direction the site is going in. I’m not even saying it’s going in a bad direction, but I just don’t want to become an anachronism. Consider this I guess a formal declaration of my want to contribute but not really even knowing if I’m welcome or even if I’m comfortable doing so…

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116 Comments on "Faltered Resuscitation"

  1. Xornell July 20, 2014 at 7:01 am -      #1

    Well first off, thanks. I’m always a little taken aback when someone thinks I’m good at “debating” here. Second, I don’t think you’re at all antiquated. The new people throw me off too. You just gotta get in debates, imo. Whether you know about the series or not. Just to get in the swing of things.

  2. Necroth July 20, 2014 at 7:10 am -      #2

    “Well first off, thanks. I’m always a little taken aback when someone thinks I’m good at “debating” here. Second, I don’t think you’re at all antiquated. The new people throw me off too. You just gotta get in debates, imo. Whether you know about the series or not. Just to get in the swing of things.”
    _

    You’re an awesome debator Xornell.
    _

    I wish i could say that the new people throw me off as well, but given i probably am one of the new people, that’d be incredibly stupid.
    _

    I lurked much in the past, come back to the ‘pile please.

  3. Parry Boy July 20, 2014 at 7:22 am -      #3

    Those mentioned are all awesome debators. Sometimes, people on new threads isn’t just at the glory days when I used to lurk and see all these long arguments. BankGambling had the heat back then. I want that thing going on for boiling point.

  4. Hermit July 20, 2014 at 7:47 am -      #4

    We have a separate Forums website for people who had gotten tired of debating and want to discuss about something else.
    .
    www.factpiletopia.com/

  5. Sauroposeidon July 20, 2014 at 7:55 am -      #5

    I’m really not too fond of Xornell.

    THE TROLL THRONE IS MINE, XORNELL! DO YOU HEAR ME? IT’S MINE DAMMIT!

  6. Mike July 20, 2014 at 8:56 am -      #6

    Not even going to read the previous comments. So. Basically fuck you and stop whining things aren’t the way you want them anymore. Now I’ll admit I only got through about half of your shit but just because it isn’t about what you’d prefer to debate and the other half apparently can’t be said in colorado. Don’t like the argument I’m making. Then look it up.

  7. ZomBraum July 20, 2014 at 9:12 am -      #7

    Aye mate, you should get into debating again, just fucking go for it. We need opinions new and old to fend off the elitism this site seems to have frequent dalliances with.

    Just pick something that interests you, and debate for it. I have been pretty starved for debate material as of late myself. Might give me something to do.


    “Who is still around from 2009 on here anymore?”

    Technically this guy. Though I joined late 2009.


    “Maybe once I am exonerated from these manacles I can inject the site yet again with my own flair. I know a hell of a lot of you would appreciate that.”

    Yes.

  8. Kara Zor-El July 20, 2014 at 9:43 am -      #8

    Oh come now Baron, you’re not outright ignored on the ‘Topia. I for one enjoy engaging you. A brilliant mind is a terrible thing to waste, and while yours is no where near brilliant, it is at least interesting and different, and I like that.

  9. Xornell July 20, 2014 at 10:39 am -      #9

    “You’re an awesome debator Xornell.”

    “Those mentioned are all awesome debators.”

    “I’m really not too fond of Xornell.

    THE TROLL THRONE IS MINE, XORNELL! DO YOU HEAR ME? IT’S MINE DAMMIT!”

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=pusZXECS0mM


    “Just pick something that interests you, and debate for it. I have been pretty starved for debate material as of late myself. Might give me something to do.”

    Same here.

  10. Ragnorke July 20, 2014 at 11:07 am -      #10

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  11. Ranger Lowk July 20, 2014 at 11:59 am -      #11

    “when I used to lurk and see all these long arguments.”

    We still do its just normally centered around star wars, WoT, or SoT…. or comics.
    ===
    “BankGambling had the heat back then.”

    I still think it was partly thanks to the fanboyism. It tends to make people fight harder both for and against a certain thing.

  12. TheSorrow July 20, 2014 at 12:28 pm -      #12

    Oh sure people can make articles complaining about how an elitist wave of debaters have taken over, but very few actually have the tenacity to actually challenge that position, and even fewer (i.e. no one) have actually convinced us that it needs changing. The world goes on with or without you, so if you feel left behind, catch the fuck up and don’t waste it lamenting your isolation.

    Articles will never be the way to change the status quo, Expertimp has proven that to us time and time again. So the only way you have to prove yourself is through debating, but I can guarantee the ideas you have in mind and what the real results are going to be might dishearten you.

  13. jackn8r July 20, 2014 at 12:43 pm -      #13

    I never felt there was any ‘elitism.’ This is an anonymous messaging system after all.

  14. TheSorrow July 20, 2014 at 12:56 pm -      #14

    People just love to throw the term “elitist” around, as if the word is self-validating. We had people Negative Zero who tried to start the trend of calling us elitists for not accepting certain aspects into the site. I think Key & Peele said it best “Ooooh I’m not persecuted, I’m just an asshole.”

  15. Aelfinn July 20, 2014 at 1:05 pm -      #15

    “how universes such as WH40k and Star Wars are being downplayed while Star Trek and other franchises formerly regarded as lower tier can now hold their own based off of practically no evidence whatsoever.”

    This one line made me angry. Counter the arguments instead of complaining about what they say. Star Wars lost its EU, we finally realized 40K has slow FTL, and there are many reasons Star Trek is where it is. Just because that’s different from what L-W said doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
    /rant

  16. Necroth July 20, 2014 at 1:21 pm -      #16

    “www.youtube.com/watch?v=pusZXECS0mM”
    _

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    _

    “This one line made me angry. Counter the arguments instead of complaining about what they say. Star Wars lost its EU, we finally realized 40K has slow FTL, and there are many reasons Star Trek is where it is. Just because that’s different from what L-W said doesn’t mean it’s wrong.”
    _

    I agree with this, 40k is not being downplayed, it was wanked to fucking death then and i am glad it got into fights where it had no chance, so that those who wanked it could see that there are limits to 40k. Just because something is a powerful ‘verse doesn’t mean it has no limits. I am starting to be afraid the same will happen to Wheel of Time as well, due to all the matches it, and Rand has been in where it absolutely stomps. However that is a long term concern of mine and i doubt it will happen as long as WoT has top-notch debators as you to keep it firmly grounded in it’s level of power, which is, while very high, still limited.
    /rant
    _

  17. Ragnorke July 20, 2014 at 1:25 pm -      #17

    ” doesn’t mean it has no limits. I am starting to be afraid the same will happen to Wheel of Time as well”

    This feels like a reference to the MTG match up xD

    litchicblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/determined-challenge-accepted-l.png

  18. Necroth July 20, 2014 at 1:28 pm -      #18

    “This feels like a reference to the MTG match up xD”
    _

    It is in fact not, i am and have been for a long time genuinely concerned whether the same will happen to WoT as once did to 40k…
    _

    Bring it on Raggy, we shall meet on the battlefield!

  19. Soulerous July 20, 2014 at 1:51 pm -      #19

    That being said, aside from the debating there is really nothing pulling me (or if I am as communally cognizant to the desires of others, anyone else for that matter) to the main site anymore.
    ~
    That’s about right. Ideally, people also enjoy the social aspect even if they don’t come to “hang out.”
    ~
    I want to stay, but have I become antiquated?
    ~
    Yes, because you rely on the past. That is, you often reference it and are now unsure of how to move forward. I wouldn’t let it stop me. You shouldn’t let it stop you. You can debate or contribute through another creative outlet. Whatever you want. Just debating matches that catch your interest is always a good place to start.
    ~
    I already deal with enough of that on the Topia where no one reads my posts or heeds them in anyway due to being pigeonholed as the neighborhood incorrigible.
    ~
    I am not a real active poster to begin with, but I don’t reply to many of your posts specifically because they are flamboyantly dark or profane. It has nothing to do with me thinking you can’t change.

  20. Fire grot tim July 20, 2014 at 2:02 pm -      #20

    This is one of the reasons that drew me away from BankGambling to begin with, I used to watch and smile at the debates back in 2009 when I first started to watch. And in 2010 I hopped on to try and put my weight into matches that I loved.

    But starting last year, the quality has begun to degrade from some experienced folks leaving. But I’m giving this site another shot, the grot is back =)

  21. Glutinous-Bicarbonate July 20, 2014 at 2:12 pm -      #21

    Hi Tim.

    I call it the natural progression of research and social paradigms. We merely looked more closely at Warhammer and found that 40K simply isn’t the be all end all of BankGambling. The full power of the Galactic Empire and Star Wars as a whole wasn’t quite realized until just a matter of months before the EU was tossed out and Star Wars was cut down to a fraction of its former state (Damn you JJ, this had better be worth it).

    Halo, of all things, is still growing as a franchise, and growing more powerful all the time.

    It’s how these things work. Sucks, when it’s the Verse you like getting the boot, but it happens to us all.

  22. Fire grot tim July 20, 2014 at 2:23 pm -      #22

    Hello Glut, long time no see.

    ” Halo, of all things, is still growing as a franchise, and growing more powerful all the time ”

    I agree wholeheartedly, and with starwars getting gimped in such a massive way I foresee that halo might be a powerhouse soon.

  23. OberHerr July 20, 2014 at 2:49 pm -      #23

    I appreciate the compliments, but I would just add that you need to look at WHY we are downgrading what these franchises used to be.

    Back in the days of L-W, the White Ape, and AlphaC, people just kinda took their word for it whenever a debate came up on things. No one really questioned it, and if they did they were gonna be drowned in post after post of made up mish-mash by the other side, or at least they were gonna be debating three or more people at a time, which sucks lemme tell ya.

    Now, we have good Halo debaters, we have good Star Wars debaters, and frankly we have better 40k debaters now that actually know its limitations.(though the IoM still totally beats the GE through psyke- *strangling noises*)

    And Halo is evolving, more so than Star Wars and….well 40k is NEVER gonna change. Star Wars took a huge drop in that its now default movies and show only.

    I mean, I know it sounds crazy, but Halo now has factions, three of which could solo the entirety of 40k and Star Wars(with some exceptions due to magic) BY THEMSELVES. Not currently active granted….but you never know.

    So, I would suggest you take the advice of Admin on an earlier thread like this, and YOU make the change. Don’t have us try to do it for you. Point out to us why 40k and SW is being downplayed. And I would say one of the best parts of this site is finding out new stuff. Like, did you know I knew almost zilch about 40k before the IoM vs. GE debate? That was a quick learning curve.

  24. Ragnorke July 20, 2014 at 2:50 pm -      #24

    “But starting last year, the quality has begun to degrade from some experienced folks leaving.”

    No disrespect to the older FP debaters, but i’v read some older matches, and a good 90% of the debaters had no idea what they were talking about.
    The Hulk vs Thor match comes to mind.

    I honestly have no idea who you are referring to by “experienced folk”, but debating experience =/= knowledge on the topic you are debating.
    There’s now a lot less people popping up, pulling bullshit claims from their asses, and never backing them up.

  25. OberHerr July 20, 2014 at 2:56 pm -      #25

    “The full power of the Galactic Empire and Star Wars as a whole wasn’t quite realized until just a matter of months before the EU was tossed out and Star Wars was cut down to a fraction of its former state (Damn you JJ, this had better be worth it).”

    It won’t. It’ll be good I imagine, I loved his Star Trek movies, even if they failed to be Star Trek. But with fan expectations, combined with those rosy-tinted nostalgia lenses everyone looks into for the original trilogy……I seriously doubt it’s gonna live up to the hype. Nor is it gonna be better than the EU.

  26. jackn8r July 20, 2014 at 4:43 pm -      #26

    “No disrespect to the older FP debaters, but i’v read some older matches, and a good 90% of the debaters had no idea what they were talking about.”

    There were definitely some great ones who don’t frequent as much anymore. CIDE, AlphaCommando, Galorian, Kenny C, and Matapiojo come to mind.

    “There’s now a lot less people popping up, pulling bullshit claims from their asses, and never backing them up.”

    There are always going to be these kinds of people. FP will also continue to go through its trolls. Ladi, then DReager, and most recently FisherKing’s return for example.


    By the way, is this Baron Somebody?

  27. OberHerr July 20, 2014 at 4:57 pm -      #27

    @Jakn8r
    There was almost a communal acceptance of things like WH40k being OP, simply because Mata or L-W or AlphaC said that it was though. I’d say right now is a pretty good time seeing as people will always call eachother out on the bullshit.

    And yes, it is.

  28. TheSorrow July 20, 2014 at 5:10 pm -      #28

    By the way, is this Baron Somebody?

    Baron has a habit of wearing Rose-colored nostalgia glasses and being depressed about not being as relevant as he used to be. Good luck getting him to actually respond to those criticisms though.

  29. Baron Somebody July 20, 2014 at 5:44 pm -      #29

    Originally I was not going to comment on this and observe from a position of concealment, but fuck it, I guess based on the three paragraphs alone I didn’t explain myself enough so here it goes

    The main point of this article was to act as a manifesto…honestly it just seems like I do nothing but loiter around here while all of the factually piled Fonzies lean against the walls and go “AYYY” to each other…really I’m just sick of all of the goddamned social estrangement, and you know it’s fucking bad when it even leaks over into my online persona…

    That being said, I’m sorry I missed the memo about the GE and WH40K not living up to their purported power outputs…when you’re gone for a year and a half you tend to miss shit like that through hundreds and hundreds of pages of debates…

    I just don’t even know what to say anymore…something must seriously be fucking awry though if I’m being ostracized by a bunch of fucking nerds…

  30. ZomBraum July 20, 2014 at 5:44 pm -      #30

    There is a definite elitism apparent in this community, usually it is barely noticeable, but on occasion, it flares up and is very apparent. Debaters have gone completely ignored or brushed aside just because in past debates they have been observed to be a “Fanboy” or “Troll”, or even just because they’re newcomers.

    As a debate site, are we not obligated to at least listen to everyone’s points rather than just those of established members of the community?

  31. Ragnorke July 20, 2014 at 6:28 pm -      #31

    @Baron Somebody
    Not really sure what your problem is…
    If you wanna join in on the debates, join.
    If you wanna join in on the small talk, join.
    If you want the small talk to end, you’re just being a dick.

    All it takes is a comment here and there, every couple of days or so, to let everyone know you’re still alive. And the small talk will come naturally.

    As for the actual debating, most of us are here because we enjoy debating.
    If you don’t enjoy it, no one’s forcing you to be on a debating site.
    If you do enjoy it, find a thread that you’re interested in, and start fucking debating.

    “something must seriously be fucking awry though if I’m being ostracized by a bunch of fucking nerds…”

    If by “nerds” you mean intelligent people, then yea i guess most of us have an education and degree.
    If you mean what i think you mean though, some of us are in really good shape and have active social lives.
    You’re in no position to judge others.

    ” Debaters have gone completely ignored or brushed aside just because in past debates they have been observed to be a “Fanboy” or “Troll”, or even just because they’re newcomers.”

    Are you kidding me?
    i’m probably the biggest Sentry fanboy on BankGambling, and that’s actually the first thread where i started debating.
    If someones argument is ignored or brushed aside, it obviously wasn’t a good enough argument.
    As i said earlier, a lot of people pop up just to make a bullshit claim, and never back it up or support it.

  32. TheSorrow July 20, 2014 at 6:29 pm -      #32

    There is a definite elitism apparent in this community, usually it is barely noticeable, but on occasion, it flares up and is very apparent. Debaters have gone completely ignored or brushed aside just because in past debates they have been observed to be a “Fanboy” or “Troll”, or even just because they’re newcomers.

    I’d like to see legitimate examples of that occurring.

  33. Commander Cross July 20, 2014 at 6:32 pm -      #33

    Well, I know that as of now, The Dresden Files, Tenchi Muyo and Gurren Lagann are all at the same Ballparks of Cosmic Power as far as Universal Warfare’s concerned, and given how long it took for the second out of the 3 to wake up, that’s saying a lot.

    It’s an effort in futility to elaborate with how any of the 3 vs Star Wars alone in Universal Warfare’s a more horrible idea than originally imagined, so instead let’s just focus on what can be done as of right now.

    I know I don’t want Tenchi Muyo or The Dresden Files to get infected with what happened to Warhammer 40,000 that got us into this mess in the first place, Wheel of Time fans have sympathizers there from the former 2 already.

    All the same, a lot has changed in the past few months alone.

    ___

    @Fire Grot Tim at at #22

    You Crazy Worthy Opponent, It’s Wonderfully Glorious to Have You Return With Us On The Front-Lines. 😀

    _____

    As for what the Major noted at #30, a lot of 2011 and any thread with Eragon is obvious testament, to say nothing of twilight and its horrible sequels.

    I refuse to talk about anything after 2011 in general, ask a Wheel of Time fan if you want info but don’t do so in the main FP site, got it?

  34. TheSorrow July 20, 2014 at 6:33 pm -      #34

    The main point of this article was to act as a manifesto…honestly it just seems like I do nothing but loiter around here while all of the factually piled Fonzies lean against the walls and go “AYYY” to each other…really I’m just sick of all of the goddamned social estrangement, and you know it’s fucking bad when it even leaks over into my online persona…

    I’m sure I’ve said this before, but don’t try and make your problems our problems. If your argument is to solely seek flaws in everyone else, to make your standing appear better, there is something wrong with you and not us.

  35. OberHerr July 20, 2014 at 6:39 pm -      #35

    I can’t really think of any examples of someone who wasn’t a troll or fanboy that we called them that. Any time someone brings in new arguments or such, even if they are ridiculous, I just try to tell them why they are wrong in a non-confrontational way.

    Now…if they keep sticking to that bullsh!t even after I’ve proven them wrong, and no matter how many times I or others have asked for proof or disproven their “facts”….that’s when I start calling them a troll.

    And Baron, like Rag said, if you wanna re-join the community, do so. But we’re not gonna be the old BankGambling. Even if all the old people did come back, it would never be the same. So either just deal with us “fucking nerds” or don’t bother us. Not sure why anyone every thinks that calling a bunch of people, who openly and actively debate everything from comics to videogames, nerds is gonna hurt their feelings…but ok.

  36. Baron Somebody July 20, 2014 at 7:16 pm -      #36

    I guess…goodbye, everyone, you might see me on the news in the coming years for serial murders but that’s about it…and I’m dead fucking serious about leaving this time…there’s no inherent value to any of this shit anymore and obviously it’s either I conform or GTFO so I’ll choose the latter option…maybe it’s just DXM induced depression speaking on my part but fuck…I feel the same way now when I did severing ties with a girl I had gone after for 6 years who ended up being a cold-hearted cunt…I guess if I’m not willing to do shit why stay? So I’ll see all of you fuckers never, as if I ever did in the first place…

  37. Secrecy27 July 20, 2014 at 7:26 pm -      #37

    What is all this about?

  38. Ragnorke July 20, 2014 at 7:33 pm -      #38

    “nd I’m dead fucking serious about leaving this time…there’s no inherent value to any of this shit anymore and obviously it’s either I conform or GTFO”

    Man, i STILL do not get what your problem is. Where is all this hatred and depression coming from?
    And most of all, why are you making is sound like “conforming” is such a bad thing?
    No one’s forcing you to “play by our rules or leave” or forcing you to change who you are.

    The only thing we’re all (most of us anyways) are trying to say, is that if you want to join in any debates or social discussions, feel free to do so!

    I for one have no idea why you feel like we’re so different from the old pilers, or why you dislike us or our way of debating so much…
    But if you TRULY dislike us and our way of doing things, then yea… i suggest you leave… since we’re not going to change for you.

    The purpose of a debating site is to debate. And all of us do that just fine.
    If you wanna debate with us, by all means, debate. You do not need our permission for it, we will not hate you for it, if anything i encourage you to join the debates.

    We also happen to have a lot of small talk, because we have all grown familiar with each other.
    And if you decide to stick around, and keep commenting here and there, we’ll grow familiar with you too.

    Our “ways” are not forced upon you. Heck i don’t even see anything wrong with our ways to begin with.

    So back to my earlier point
    If you wanna debate, feel free to do so. It’s always nice having more debaters.
    If you wanna socialize, you’re more thn welcome to. No one’s really going to ignore you or brush you aside.
    So why all the hate?

  39. Ranger Lowk July 20, 2014 at 7:33 pm -      #39

    “and obviously it’s either I conform or GTFO”

    lol, You don’t have to conform. I think multiple times of blatant disregard to rules some commentators have and the vast off topicness even I’ve caused here are proof of that.
    Hell at one point I was thinking of coming in and derailing this topic but I felt it’d be kind of rude.

  40. OberHerr July 20, 2014 at 7:34 pm -      #40

    I think Baron has some problems in real life…..and I don’t really know. All I can say Baron, is no one really wants you to go, I’d just suggest you not….compare us to past BankGamblings?

  41. Commander Cross July 20, 2014 at 7:45 pm -      #41

    @Baron

    We don’t want you to conform nor do we want you to leave, we want you here and you are family, too much of the family is leaving or dying out as it is without the threat of Civil War looming over.
    If we have to deal with a(nother) FP Civil War, we are done with being on the site and this place will stop calling itself BankGambling right now.
    ___

    Don’t go in on killing people in general, we still need you with us and the U.S is in a really bad way or shape right now. :(

  42. OberHerr July 20, 2014 at 7:54 pm -      #42

    Heck, we often have people, myself included, who want to ignore certain site rules or at least alter them.

    Rarely do people agreed fully on much….I mean conformity? Conform to what? Us? Who do you have to conform to? I only call people out on what I think is bullshit. And hopefully I’m right.

    And heck, I consider this community accepting. I’ve been on several forums, and this is definitely one that almost anyone can join in on, as long as they have a cursory knowledge of one subject.

  43. TheSorrow July 20, 2014 at 7:55 pm -      #43

    I just know that one of us is going to take this as sign that we are just a bunch of bullies, ganging up on one guy. I preemptively implore you to shut the fuck up and don’t bother trying to lecture us.

  44. Ranger Lowk July 20, 2014 at 7:55 pm -      #44

    “goodbye, everyone, you might see me on the news in the coming years for serial murders but that’s about it”

    Don’t know if your joking or not, this is more just in general:
    Why is it depression always jumps to murdering or suicide. How come it’s never
    “don’t be surprised when you here about me helping the most kittens in the word”
    or
    “I’ve decided to become a vigilante”
    I mean if your got enough drive or energy to murder why not use it in a manner that would benefit your legacy instead of leaving behind history of just being like every other nut or poor soul on the news?

  45. TheSorrow July 20, 2014 at 7:56 pm -      #45

    Heck, we often have people, myself included, who want to ignore certain site rules or at least alter them.

    Which rules do you dislike?

  46. Ragnorke July 20, 2014 at 8:12 pm -      #46

    “Heck, we often have people, myself included, who want to ignore certain site rules or at least alter them.”

    Wait what… why? xD
    I think the rules are pretty flexible, considering the OP can add his own “match rules”
    If the OP makes a bad match up and/or bad match description, it has nothing to do with the rules.

  47. Ranger Lowk July 20, 2014 at 8:13 pm -      #47

    ” I preemptively implore you to shut the fuck up and don’t bother trying to lecture us.”

    Sorrow, the MD House of BankGambling. He not the most polite piler but his hearts in the right place.

  48. TheSorrow July 20, 2014 at 8:21 pm -      #48

    I’ve seen this happen way too many times in the past. Someone gets ostracized, by their own doing mind you, and someone feels they need to protect them. I’m sick of the cyber justice warriors sticking their nose into everything.

  49. Ragnorke July 20, 2014 at 8:34 pm -      #49

    “I’m sick of the cyber justice warriors sticking their nose into everything.”

    www.imperfectparent.com/images/articles/1183051988_predator2.jpg

    We should so be “The Cyber Justice League of BankGambling”
    Right?!?! RIGHT?!?!

  50. OberHerr July 20, 2014 at 8:47 pm -      #50

    “Which rules do you dislike?”

    You know, now that I think of it…I think it was less a rule and more a case of loadout for MC and something else…..I remember having issue with one rule, or wanting to alter it….

  51. Ranger Lowk July 20, 2014 at 8:48 pm -      #51

    “We should so be “The Cyber Justice League of BankGambling”
    Right?!?! RIGHT?!?!”

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ozzsURtdUI
    ===
    And in the case that does become a thing, I call Batman of BankGambling.

  52. Darth Bombad July 20, 2014 at 8:51 pm -      #52

    I don’t know why your leaving Baron, if you got a problem with punks.
    Do something about it!, call them out on their BS.

    “Yes Raggy of course a fucking Lightsaber can cut through Batmans armor”.

    “No WorthNEO HALO weapons aren’t on par with Star Wars.”

    If your angry Baron get out their and start bitch slapping Trekkies and
    Ringers. (or what ever HALO fan boys are called)
    other people tend to join in once a serious debate starts.

  53. OberHerr July 20, 2014 at 8:56 pm -      #53

    I believe we call ourselves Halo fans.

    We don’t feel the need to come up with a dumbass name.

  54. Commander Cross July 20, 2014 at 9:01 pm -      #54

    The Cyber Avengers League of BankGambling sound more like it?

    Or what about The Cyber White Council of Debaters in that case?

  55. Ranger Lowk July 20, 2014 at 9:04 pm -      #55

    “I believe we call ourselves Halo fans.”

    Thats boring. How about Reclaimers?
    ===
    “No WorthNEO HALO weapons aren’t on par with Star Wars.”

    Not even the Spartan Laser?

  56. Ranger Lowk July 20, 2014 at 9:07 pm -      #56

    “The Cyber Avengers League of BankGambling sound more like it?”

    Again
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJXYMDu6dpY
    And again if it does stick, I call IronBat of BankGambling.
    ===
    “Or what about The Cyber White Council of Debaters in that case?”

    I’ll try and stay in theme for this one. Aw Hells Bells no.

  57. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 20, 2014 at 9:14 pm -      #57

    On mobile, so I don’t want to make a full response, but I wanted to respond to something.
    =
    “The Cyber Avengers League of BankGambling sound more like it?”

    Is this gonna be a thing? If so I call dibs on a planet buster… I just don’t know which one…

  58. Darth Bombad July 20, 2014 at 9:20 pm -      #58

    @Ober
    Funny thing is i’ve finished every game, and did 3, ODST, Reach,
    and 4 on Legendary. (i never bothered with the first two)

    i just don’t read the books cause they suck, contradict everything
    including eachother and sometimes themselves!.
    and generally either nerf or super Super! wank the hell out of HALO.

    I prefer to go by game feats, (and Bungie agreed with me) where the
    Forerunners are the only HALO faction that’s on par with Star Wars/Trek/Gate.
    Just cause i love HALO as a game doesn’t mean i’ll support BS.

    @Ranger SPLAZOR!!!! that’s the last time i’ll say that…and i call Wolverine bub

  59. Secrecy27 July 20, 2014 at 9:22 pm -      #59

    The last thing BankGambling need is a self-proclaimed justice league.

  60. Shgon Dunstan July 20, 2014 at 9:40 pm -      #60

    @OP

    …Who are you again?

    @Necroth
    “However that is a long term concern of mine and i doubt it will happen as long as WoT has top-notch debators as you to keep it firmly grounded in it’s level of power, which is, while very high, still limited.”

    I wouldn’t worry about it much. Speaking as a long time WoT fan and debater, WoT as a setting doesn’t do “balanced” Vs. It wins, or it loses, but it almost never gets anywhere near “tie”, rarely even “drawn out fight”. “WoT factions” maybe(big maybe a lot of the time), but not the whole setting.

    Even IU face to face fights between channelers don’t tend to take all that long.

  61. Darth Bombad July 20, 2014 at 9:40 pm -      #61

    @Commander Cross How about the…
    Fantastic X Avengers League of Teen Titan Young Bloods of BankGambling.
    i through that last one in for our image fans…our you guys out there?.

  62. Ranger Lowk July 20, 2014 at 9:49 pm -      #62

    “If so I call dibs on a planet buster… I just don’t know which one…”

    They’re all basically superman unless you want to be big and green or speak old English.
    ===
    “The last thing BankGambling need is a self-proclaimed justice league.”

    Don’t worry, I’ll be a right and just rulerIMEAN HERO that BankGambling deserves.

  63. Ragnorke July 20, 2014 at 9:55 pm -      #63

    ““The Cyber Avengers League of BankGambling sound more like it?””

    No.
    No.
    No.
    The whole point is to stick to TheSorrows words: the cyber justice warriors.
    Therefor, we shall be known as, The Cyber Justice Warrior League.

    @Shgon
    Any reason you arnt taking part in the WoT vs MTG debate?

  64. Darth Bombad July 20, 2014 at 10:01 pm -      #64

    @Ragnorke
    Cyber Justice Warriors Society for those of us who want to be old school…
    and not as powerful…and kinda lame…and always need the league and…

  65. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 20, 2014 at 10:18 pm -      #65

    “They’re all basically superman unless you want to be big and green or speak old English.”

    Figured as much. Yea, Hulk kinda fits me a bit better than the rest, really strong, but incredibly slow in comparison to others, although I doubt my stature/size surpasses everyone else as much as the Hulk does the rest of the Avengers…. But I mean: static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149643/2950152-2849931-avengers_004_zone_013.jpg
    image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/27/1372798136-avengers-004-zone-014.jpg is really epic.

    Besides, I wouldn’t wanna take Thor(and Sentry in Rag’s case)from Jake or Rag. Sadly, there’s not enough Mexican heroes, let alone ones on the Avengers. Only one who I can think of is Miles Morales
    =
    “On mobile, so I don’t want to make a full response, but I wanted to respond to something.”

    So, i was going to make a response, but I’m kinda lazy right now so I don’t feel like it. Plus, I’m sure everything I’d say has already been covered.

  66. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 20, 2014 at 10:31 pm -      #66

    “The Hulk vs Thor match comes to mind.”

    To be fair, a good deal of the debate was actually deleted. At the time, FP was using disqus at the time and that’s when most of the “debate(really it was more discussing random comicness, like Thor cutting a car in half with a hammer, than actual debating)” was actually had.

  67. Alpha or Omega July 20, 2014 at 10:41 pm -      #67

    Usually, ‘goodbye forevers’ tend to be emotional and stuff.
    Yet, all I see is people trying to form a Justice League on the web…
    /
    Not sure if I should laugh or cry. Or both.

  68. Ranger Lowk July 20, 2014 at 10:42 pm -      #68

    “Hell at one point I was thinking of coming in and derailing this topic but I felt it’d be kind of rude.”

    Dammit, you guys got me doing the thing I said I wouldn’t.

  69. Ranger Lowk July 20, 2014 at 10:45 pm -      #69

    “Not sure if I should laugh or cry. Or both.”

    Both and AH!THEFUCKISWITHYOURAVATAR!?

  70. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 20, 2014 at 10:47 pm -      #70

    “Not sure if I should laugh or cry. Or both.”

    i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4551943936/hEB892DB7/
    =
    “Dammit, you guys got me doing the thing I said I wouldn’t.”

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfUM5xHUY4M

  71. Alpha or Omega July 20, 2014 at 10:49 pm -      #71

    It’s the scout from TF 2 mixed with Dante from Devil May Cry.
    I was really bored and found this.

  72. Commander Cross July 20, 2014 at 11:05 pm -      #72

    I miss Baron Somebody. :(

  73. Ranger Lowk July 20, 2014 at 11:17 pm -      #73

    “I miss Baron Somebody.”

    But he’s only been gone for a few hours. His post still has that fresh “leaving forever” smell.

  74. the_man_with The_Answers July 21, 2014 at 12:41 am -      #74

    “or what ever HALO fan boys are called”

    I believe “Haloite” is the term you’re looking for.

  75. ZomBraum July 21, 2014 at 1:52 am -      #75

    “The last thing BankGambling need is a self-proclaimed justice league.”

    Am I the only one that remembers when we in fact did have that?

  76. the_man_with The_Answers July 21, 2014 at 2:01 am -      #76

    “Am I the only one that remembers when we in fact did have that?”

    Nope

  77. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 21, 2014 at 2:07 am -      #77

    @ZomB We did?

  78. Commander Cross July 21, 2014 at 2:44 am -      #78

    I remembered it like it was just like yesterday.

  79. TheSorrow July 21, 2014 at 3:08 am -      #79

    Sure, no one be bothered to actually specify what “it” is. I am dubious at best that it’s anything worth recalling though.

  80. Neon Lord July 21, 2014 at 3:27 am -      #80

    “Not sure if I should laugh or cry. Or both.”

    Shakespeare level summary.

  81. Parry Boy July 21, 2014 at 6:13 am -      #81

    Wait, wait wait. There WAS a BankGambling Justice League? Why hasn’t anyone been stating that?

  82. Kara Zor-El July 21, 2014 at 7:33 am -      #82

    It’s always fun watching people get their first taste of Baron. Such a melodramatic fellow.

  83. ZomBraum July 21, 2014 at 8:01 am -      #83

    “@ZomB We did?”

    “Wait, wait wait. There WAS a BankGambling Justice League? Why hasn’t anyone been stating that?”

    It may be hard to find, but if you look hard enough, it was called FCI, for BankGambling Crime Investigators. Not really a Justice League per se, but it was close. Didn’t actually accomplish much of anything, but having a kickass treehouse, and a club is it’s own reward.

    It was a circa 2010 thing.

  84. Parry Boy July 21, 2014 at 8:27 am -      #84

    “Look hard enough”
    Hehe, google.

  85. Shgon Dunstan July 21, 2014 at 8:47 am -      #85

    @Ragnorke
    “Any reason you arnt taking part in the WoT vs MTG debate?”

    Reason 1(and biggest): I just haven’t felt much in a Vs mood the last few weeks. Have had other stuff going on. Nothing big, just “other”. For one, read the first book of Riftwar, currently working on the second half of it. 😛

    Reason 2: the direction it was going in trying to arbitrarily apply made up limits to Nigh Omnipotents, to say nothing of just claiming that WoT’s Creator isn’t a “true” one based on nothing but His lack of wanting to do anything, was not the least bit interesting to me. That kind of BS is something I’ve got to be in the mood for to take part in, and I’m quite frankly not. 😕

    Reason 3: The match as it was(haven’t checked if it was changed any before post 50), was kind of dumb. As was, it didn’t rule out the Omnipotents, making the whole thing mute, whereas even if it did… It’s still a sucky match up. Why? Because even though I know next to nothing about MTG, I’m pretty sure it has planetary threats in it’s number. WoT has that kind of thing, but… That pretty much all involve sa’angreal that put it on/near the level of said “Nigh Omnipotents”, meaning… Sure you can pick and choose what you’d want to ban from the fight, but you’d basically be hand picking the winner by doing so, Aka: “the match was kind of dumb”.

    …There is a reason WoT is hard to balance in Vs. 😆

    It might do well on most of it’s matches here, but WoT fan are not I could name dozens of verses that could stomps it(at least with OP’s that have the good sense to rule out the Gods…), but those make for no better of Vs then it blasting the other side to ashes in seconds…

    “Sometimes” it stomping can be fun, but as a WoT debater, I find it a hell of a lot more fun when it actually has to use these odd little things called “tactics”, preferably some others then just the normal “Gate and nuke”.

  86. Parry Boy July 21, 2014 at 9:15 am -      #86

    Sometimes, the gate and nuke tactic akways works best. Especially if you have the right boom guns.

  87. Ragnorke July 21, 2014 at 11:29 am -      #87

    @Shgon
    Namer showed up, added some basic rules.
    Like banning omnis and limiting the realms and such.

    It’s currently a normal universal battle, much like TES vs WoT was.
    And i could really use some help with the feats/numbers

    I suggest you give the last page a look.

  88. Rorschach July 21, 2014 at 4:09 pm -      #88

    “I only approach thee in so accessible a venue because I don’t want to lose my roots to this place. I’m the last of a nigh extinct species. Who is still around from 2009 on here anymore?”
    I’m still here from 2010. I remember your brilliant comics and your escapades on the topia.
    “I just don’t even know what to say anymore…something must seriously be fucking awry though if I’m being ostracized by a bunch of fucking nerds…”
    All I do anymore is oversee all the debates taking place, only jumping in if I feel necessary. I like to think the older veterans do so as well. Sometimes, we’re summoned by name.
    I was way more active during the past of BankGambling. In the Dark Days, of all days. I was around for the stars, for when they left, for Disqus, and for the aftermath.
    Baron, you’re not alone in this. Though we may be few, there are those of us that are still around. Even if none of my comments get recognized, I still contribute. I contribute by viewing the site everyday. I contribute by the occasional match/what if suggestion. Not debating is perfectly okay.
    “I guess if I’m not willing to do shit why stay? So I’ll see all of you fuckers never, as if I ever did in the first place…”
    I’m sorry you felt this way, and I’m sorry I wasn’t here earlier. If you ever read this comment, just know that I thank you for your comics, I thank you for being a BankGamblingr, and good luck with your life.
    Also, thank you for actually saying a goodbye, if this is your final one. Some pilers still wonder if/when L-W will return.

  89. TheSorrow July 21, 2014 at 5:44 pm -      #89

    You know I’ve noticed for awhile, but Baron started to have this annoying habit of using irregular words as a way to up the sophistication of posts that he wanted people to notice. I don’t know if it was some sad attempt at convincing us he actually had a point to make, or wasn’t just trying to impress us with his vocabulary. Either way, it felt forced.

    Contrary to Rorschach’s point, I despise people who use their self-pity as a weapon to gain undeserved sympathy. I am not glad that you were a BankGamblingr, seek help before you burden even more people with your problems.

  90. Rorschach July 21, 2014 at 6:01 pm -      #90

    “Contrary to Rorschach’s point, I despise people who use their self-pity as a weapon to gain undeserved sympathy. I am not glad that you were a BankGamblingr, seek help before you burden even more people with your problems.”
    To be honest, I was only thanking him for the good that he did. I said “good luck with your life.” Towards the end as well, because there are clearly a few problems he has/he’s going through.
    I should have said thanks to the past Baron. To the memories of a distant time, and the contributions made in the past.
    For an older piler to “leave” in this style? If you’re gonna leave, don’t do this.

  91. TheSorrow July 21, 2014 at 6:08 pm -      #91

    It felt like Baron assumed he was going to get some fanfare and a parade in honor for his past “accomplishments” (I personally didn’t take to his comics like the others did, but it obviously had effect on others).

    From the looks of it, I think he came back just so he could mend his shattered ego. “Maybe if I go back here, people will acknowledge just how special I really am”.

  92. Ragnorke July 21, 2014 at 6:08 pm -      #92

    “sad attempt at convincing us he actually had a point to make, ”

    Yea this is sorta what annoyed me…
    I couldn’t see any point to what he was saying. Was he just depressed caus things changed?
    And then he went on to calling us Nerds and bitching about how isolated he felt and what not…
    I don’t even know… o.0

  93. TheSorrow July 21, 2014 at 6:25 pm -      #93

    Was he just depressed caus things changed?

    I think that’s the gist of it, though I believe the reason behind that goes even deeper than just dissatisfaction that BankGambling has changed.

    Something tells that his life isn’t living up to what his expectations right now, and he believed that by going back to a place he felt fond about, with the people he used to know, it would let him relive the times when wasn’t as bad for him.

  94. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 21, 2014 at 6:56 pm -      #94

    “And then he went on to calling us Nerds”

    I found this part ironic…

  95. Hermit July 21, 2014 at 7:28 pm -      #95

    I don’t debate as much as I used to anymore, mostly because I was kind of a…I wouldn’t exactly call troll, but someone who had no idea how to debate properly.
    .
    I only show up on matches that interest me nowadays.
    .
    “I can’t really think of any examples of someone who wasn’t a troll or fanboy that we called them that.”
    .
    English Bulldog vs Death Star. Though admittedly that was a fun joke match (that people treated semi-seriously).
    .
    You really can’t stop the coming and going of people in this site. Some People get bored after a time while others take interest in BankGambling. Longing for the “good old days” is your nostalgia speaking.
    .
    If you can’t, or aren’t willing to change, then you’re going to be left behind.

  96. Necroth July 21, 2014 at 9:28 pm -      #96

    “I wouldn’t worry about it much. Speaking as a long time WoT fan and debater, WoT as a setting doesn’t do “balanced” Vs. It wins, or it loses, but it almost never gets anywhere near “tie”, rarely even “drawn out fight”. “WoT factions” maybe(big maybe a lot of the time), but not the whole setting.”
    _

    I don’t *really* fear it, as i said it is a long term concern of mine, besides as long as it has debators like you and Aelfinn, it should be fine and immune to the taint of the Shadow. But one should always be vigilant…
    _

    “Even IU face to face fights between channelers don’t tend to take all that long.”
    _

    It is amusingly fitting yes.
    _

    “…There is a reason WoT is hard to balance in Vs. :lol:”
    _

    This is very true.

  97. Blood Dancer July 21, 2014 at 10:52 pm -      #97

    The hell just happened here?

  98. Ragnorke July 21, 2014 at 10:57 pm -      #98

    “The hell just happened here?”

    Baron Somebody had a break down, ended up insulting us and saying he’s leaving for good… caus… well… i’m not sure why

  99. Commander Cross July 21, 2014 at 11:03 pm -      #99

    @General at #97

    Civil War’s over, but Baron Somebody winds up being among the Casualties of War:

    Wounded, Deceased or MIA is where he goes.

  100. Xornell July 21, 2014 at 11:29 pm -      #100

    For the record, being ostracized by fucking nerds is pretty normal.

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