The Meta Vs Master Chief

The Meta Vs Master Chief

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The Meta (Agent Maine – Red vs Blue) faces off against Master Chief (Halo).

Scenario One: Neither has A.I., the Meta has all armor enhancements.
Scenario Two: Meta has everything he had at his peak, Chief has Cortana.
Scenario Three: Meta at peak, Chief does not have Cortana.

What would transpire?

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48 Comments on "The Meta Vs Master Chief"

  1. Ninja Xtreme August 1, 2014 at 6:27 am -      #1

    Considering I only know the Chief, and people in Red ‘s Blue are supposed to be weaker than the SPARTANS, I’m going to go with Master Chief in all 3.
    Also, first for the second time!

  2. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets August 1, 2014 at 6:42 am -      #2

    Meta, all three.

  3. Alpha or Omega August 1, 2014 at 6:46 am -      #3

    Sonuvavich.
    I was going to make this idea on the topia.
    /
    Regardless, the Meta fails scenario one as he needs all the precious A.I. to control all his armor abilities.
    Then again, it’s debatable on who’s the Meta.
    Agent Maine or Sigma controlling Maine?

  4. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets August 1, 2014 at 7:06 am -      #4

    “Regardless, the Meta fails scenario one as he needs all the precious A.I. to control all his armor abilities.”

    There were instances in RvB where equipment was used without the AI(whatever that stands for). Then again, wasn’t as much equipment as Meta had… Crap you’re right. Just remembered the last episode of season 8.
    =
    I think scenario one would be better if MC got all armor abilities+equipment+whatever Halo 5 ends up using(apparently not armor abilities nor equipment *shrugs*), and Meta had some way to control his equipment.
    =
    Also, this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpKSkbu5xdw

  5. Commander Cross August 1, 2014 at 9:01 am -      #5

    Red vs Blue needs more fights on-site if anyone asks me, all I got for Universe War Ideas is apparently vs. Sword Art Online or The Mortal Instruments if I had to go there, or even The Strain for that matter.

    Which considering that the first of the 3’s in a near-identical ‘pickle’ with lack of supernatural forces or entities in numbers could be dangerous or fun if done right, I think.

    ___

    Does Chief Man get any Scarab Guns to use in situations 2 or 3 later?

    I sense I might have to find Church a fight at some point after I watch Seasons 3-5 and maybe 6 if I can manage it, good thing the first 5 seasons are on Netflix.

    Sarge and Tex are among the most interesting people I’ve seen thus far, Caboose and Church notwithstanding plus even that guy wearing Light Red Armor has his cool moments along with Lopez.

    Why isn’t Red vs Blue Canon to Halo?

    Also, are either sides allowed to ride Warthogs or Pumas for that matter?

  6. OberHerr August 1, 2014 at 9:49 am -      #6

    Well, standard loadout for Chief should include an AA now that he’s shown he can have one and he’s used them all really.

    I believe Red vs. Blue is actually canon in some way to Halo as well….and no Chief doesn’t get any Scarab Guns!

  7. God Of Godzilla August 1, 2014 at 10:45 am -      #7

    Wasn’t one of the Meta’s armour enhancement some sort of time stop?

  8. jackn8r August 1, 2014 at 11:01 am -      #8

    “There were instances in RvB where equipment was used without the AI(whatever that stands for)”

    AI stands for Artificial Intelligence.

  9. L-w August 1, 2014 at 11:12 am -      #9

    Technically the Meta is the symbionic relationship between Maine and sigma. So technically Meta can still use his time stop.

  10. LadyRamkin August 1, 2014 at 11:45 am -      #10

    Meta has a brute shot as standard equipment. Explosives tend to take chief out fairly quickly.
    So I’m going for meta takes all 3.

  11. OberHerr August 1, 2014 at 11:53 am -      #11

    I’d say Meta probably wins, though I’m not 100% sure. On one hand, he has a lot of options, and durability. On the other hand, he gets beaten by pretty simple means. He’s not all that smart, and the Brute shot is pretty easily dodged.

  12. Blazing Waffles August 1, 2014 at 12:36 pm -      #12

    “AI stands for Artificial Intelligence.”

    That’s the joke.

    Anywho, the Meta stomps scenario 2 and 3, but probably not 1 since he can’t actually use any of his powers without AI. It’d still be a close fight due to his natural durability and strength, though.

  13. Ranger Lowk August 1, 2014 at 1:51 pm -      #13

    Doesn’t meta have like bullshit levels of survivability? Like some kind of horror monster, in armor, with a grenade launcher.

  14. Ranger Lowk August 1, 2014 at 2:05 pm -      #14

    Yup I remembered right. Just like a horror monster he may not be the quickest but he pretty strong and hard to kill
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbi4vDkM_l4
    0:22- Stops and kicks back a warthog
    1:03 kicks a large piece of rock
    1:41 gets shot in the throat multiple times
    1:46 shows him still able to get up
    1:51 punch knocks donut into a wall

  15. Alpha or Omega August 1, 2014 at 2:36 pm -      #15

    “He’s not all that smart, and the Brute shot is pretty easily dodged.”
    /
    Except at his peak, he has the Delta A.I. fragment who’s ability is intelligence.
    /
    Whether the Brute Shot is good or not, it can take spartans out with some shots, and it’s a good thing the Meta has stolen Wyoming’s Time equipment. This gives Meta the time to run up to Master Chief and shoot him several times with the brute shot because time is frozen.

  16. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets August 1, 2014 at 3:03 pm -      #16

    “AI stands for”

    Ooooohhh, what was the A again?
    =
    “On the other hand, he gets beaten by pretty simple means.”

    Yea, but it’s the Reds and the Blues.

    What were the standard equipment he had again? Time stop, bubble shield, camo, and I forget what else he had, but I remember he had more AI than that so presumably more equipment than that.
    =
    ” He’s not all that smart”

    Yea, but he doesn’t have to be to beat MC in the match.
    =
    “That’s the joke.”

    You’d think people would understand a RvB reference in an RvB match. *shrugs* O well. He probably got it, but decided to tell me anyways.
    =
    “Doesn’t meta have like bullshit levels of survivability?”

    That’s mostly Wash actually. Meta just has crazy durability and strength. He’s a crapton stronger than Chief, considering flipping a vehicle is actually canon in RvB(can’t find the episode, but Caboose was shocked when Tex flipped the tank over)and Tex flipped a tank, and Meta was more or less equal to her in the strength.
    =
    “This gives Meta the time to run up to Master Chief and shoot him several times with the brute shot because time is frozen.”

    Or cut his head off.
    =
    Also, everyone go watch Guardians of the Galaxy, frigging awesome!

  17. God Of Godzilla August 1, 2014 at 3:30 pm -      #17

    Tex pedthe tank in season 1 episode 17 about 2 minutes 30 seconds in, Doc was the one that got punched into the wall

    The Meta pwns MC in all scenario’s
    Though without an AI in Scenario 1, the Meta still has a Bubble Shield, Insane Strength, ETC and use it without any sign of pain, discomfort, exhaustion, ETC.
    In scenario 2, the Meta can just use Church to possess Chief and do whatever he wants though there maybe resistance from Cortana.
    Scenario 3 is a repeat of Scenario 2 but without Cortana to help.

  18. Alpha or Omega August 1, 2014 at 3:55 pm -      #18

    The Meta doesn’t have the Alpha A.I.
    Alpha(Chuch) A.I. was the one who distracted the Meta to give Washington time to activate the Emp(It’s Emp, not E.M.P. silly Wash)
    /
    However, he does have the O’Malley/Omega A.I.
    /
    @Ch1
    Actually, the Meta should be as durable as Agent Washington since they receive the same armor from Project Freelancer.
    Anyway, here are scenes of his durability.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReSGtxIYZE4#t=77
    Takes an energy sword through his left chest and barely takes damage from several shots from Sarge’s shotgun
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlkyulsk6PQ#t=3830
    Takes several shots from the minigun

  19. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets August 1, 2014 at 4:09 pm -      #19

    “activate the Emp(It’s Emp, not E.M.P. silly Wash)”

    That was the worst joke ever, of all time.
    =
    “Actually, the Meta should be as durable as Agent Washington since they receive the same armor from Project Freelancer.”

    Did they? Been a while since I watched thr seasons after 5. Although, I do seem to remember Meta taking Wash’s equipment in the last episode of Recovery One.

  20. God Of Godzilla August 1, 2014 at 4:38 pm -      #20

    My mistake on the AI part, somehow misread Meta having all the AIs but Omega can possess people as well

    Doesn’t some of the Meta’s durability feats come from having an overshield

  21. Alpha or Omega August 1, 2014 at 4:49 pm -      #21

    @Ch1
    “That was the worst joke ever, of all time.”
    /
    Not my fault. Tucker did it.
    /
    “Did they? Been a while since I watched thr seasons after 5. Although, I do seem to remember Meta taking Wash’s equipment in the last episode of Recovery One.”
    /
    I was talking about season 9-10(Prequels), but in the beginning of season 6, it was mentioned everyone, Wash, Red, and Blue got upgrades to their armors(Except Caboose who stayed with Mjolnir mk V) so I’m probably wrong thanks to current incarnations.
    Regardless, Lowk posted videos of where Meta endured several bullets without shields and I posted videos where the Meta took several bullets with a little inconvenience and still fought back even when being impaled by an energy sword through the chest.
    /
    @God of Godzilla’s
    “Doesn’t some of the Meta’s durability feats come from having an overshield”
    /
    Whether he did or not, he has it here.

  22. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets August 1, 2014 at 5:07 pm -      #22

    “Not my fault. Tucker did it.”

    Is he still hormonal from his pregnancy?
    =
    I was talking about season 9-10(Prequels), but in the beginning of season 6, it was mentioned everyone, Wash, Red, and Blue got upgrades to their armors(Except Caboose who stayed with Mjolnir mk V) so I’m probably wrong thanks to current incarnations.
    Regardless, Lowk posted videos of where Meta endured several bullets without shields and I posted videos where the Meta took several bullets with a little inconvenience and still fought back even when being impaled by an energy sword through the chest.’

    O, I’m not doubting he’s tough, I was just pointing out that it tends to be Wash who survives the stuff that should kill him while Meta’s just a really tough guy.

  23. Alpha or Omega August 1, 2014 at 5:13 pm -      #23

    “Is he still hormonal from his pregnancy?”
    /
    Yes. Bow chicka bow wow
    /
    “O, I’m not doubting he’s tough, I was just pointing out that it tends to be Wash who survives the stuff that should kill him while Meta’s just a really tough guy.”
    /
    Well, Washington is just that one guy who can’t die. The man survived being run over by a warthog and then took a massive explosion afterwards. In season 11, he took a direct hit from a railgun to the head and was only knocked unconscious.

  24. OberHerr August 1, 2014 at 5:14 pm -      #24

    Well, all his AI combined actually make him kinda….messed up? More so? Like he acts like a kids sometimes due to Delta, etc. for the personalities of the rest. They don’t always work well together.

    And while Chief has shown something like the same strength, flipping a Warthog with ease himself, RvB does have some crazy ass fights. That’s why I said I dunno. On one hand Masterchief is mentioned in the RvB universe as the best fighter, on the other hand I don’t know if that would mean he beats Meta or not.

    And my point with him not being particularly smart, and animalistic is that’s how he gets beat a lot. He just rushes into things. That’s the reason he loses to the likes of the Reds and Blues.

    But he does have some crazy ass durability…..or at the least resilience.

  25. Alpha or Omega August 1, 2014 at 5:30 pm -      #25

    “Well, all his AI combined actually make him kinda….messed up? More so? Like he acts like a kids sometimes due to Delta, etc. for the personalities of the rest. They don’t always work well together.”
    /
    It’s argued that the Meta isn’t actually Agent Maine in control but the Sigma A.I. Agent Maine was never really in control as the Meta until season 7 where all the A.I.s died to the Emp.
    The kid personality belongs to Theta, and I recall no instance of where the A.I. were working against each other.
    /
    “And while Chief has shown something like the same strength, flipping a Warthog with ease himself, RvB does have some crazy ass fights. That’s why I said I dunno. On one hand Masterchief is mentioned in the RvB universe as the best fighter, on the other hand I don’t know if that would mean he beats Meta or not.”
    /
    The Meta was shown to be capable of lifting and throwing warthogs.
    Master Chief was mentioned, but only for saving the universe and that was season 1.
    /
    “And my point with him not being particularly smart, and animalistic is that’s how he gets beat a lot. He just rushes into things. That’s the reason he loses to the likes of the Reds and Blues.”
    /
    Here’s the thing though, he wasn’t at his peak when he lost to the Reds and Blues.
    The first time he lost, it wasn’t to the Reds and Blues, and it was to Agent Washington.
    Wash had the help of the Alpha A.I.(Church) to distract the Meta and then Wash activated the Emp which killed all the A.I.s.
    /
    And when he lost to the Reds and Blues.
    He wasn’t at his peak.
    He lost the A.I.s that were controlling him, Sigma, Eta, Iota, Theta, Omega, Gamma and Delta.
    Regardless, he was still kicking the arses of the Reds and Blues. He only lost when Sarge attached the hook onto The Meta.
    /
    Also, the Reds and Blues, when they’re not fighting each other, are totally competent somehow in protecting each other when some threat emerges(with the exception of Tex beating everyone up)

  26. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets August 1, 2014 at 5:37 pm -      #26

    “Yes. Bow chicka bow wow”

    We should explain pregnancy though, just in case no one knows how it works.
    =
    “Well, Washington is just that one guy who can’t die”

    Unless he gets cut in half by a car like Monty originally planned.
    =
    “And my point with him not being particularly smart, and animalistic is that’s how he gets beat a lot.”

    Regardless, he’s still an incredibly fighter. They only beat the Meta because Sarge(with a push in the right direction from Wash)made a plan before engaging Meta.

  27. OberHerr August 1, 2014 at 5:38 pm -      #27

    They also have quite a bit of plot-shielding, but whatever. Yeah, I’d say the Meta wins. Even just going by the Project Freelancer Saga, he’s got some pretty damn crazy moves.

  28. God Of Godzilla August 1, 2014 at 5:42 pm -      #28

    Well The Meta as Maine did survive a sniper round through the chest, half a dozen pistol rounds to the throat (also managing to stand up and shoot his brute shot) and several collisions with random objects on the highway, that’s gotta be one hell of a endurance/durability feat

  29. Alpha or Omega August 1, 2014 at 5:43 pm -      #29

    He also has Wyoming’s time manipulation abilities, so he can just stop time even if the Meta wasn’t crazy strong.

  30. OberHerr August 1, 2014 at 5:45 pm -      #30

    Plus the whole paralyzing paint stuff. He was able to fight on to some degree despite it. Though that’s kinda his schtick. Maybe not the most skilled, maybe not too fast or bright, but he can take whatever your throw at him as well as dish out more.

  31. Abominatus674 August 1, 2014 at 10:16 pm -      #31

    And after getting sniped and shot in the throat, he was launched off of a moving truck and survived.

    At his peak, he had the AI Gamma, Delta, Theta, Omega, Sigma, Eta, Iota and Beta. As far as I know the only fragment which he didn’t have was Epsilon, but still didn’t have the full AI and so would be at a slight disadvantage in AI ‘power’ (although this may be counterbalanced by their ability to ‘think’ independently of one another).

    In terms of equipment, he had and enhanced motion tracker, active camo, enhanced strength, a temporal distortion unit, overshields, a domed energy shield, adaptive camouflage and the means to bioscan.

    Presumably each piece of equipment requires a functioning AI or fragment to be properly utilised, since he only really used on at a time while he had Epsilon!Beta. So he could theoretically use 8 pieces of equipment simultaneously, although the power drain would likely be an issue. From my understanding, the AI are required for the equipment to be used due to the mental strain of coordinating their function (direct operation, power input etc) and the agent’s own body, as indicated by Epsilon essentially ‘directing’ Carolina while using the speed unit.

    Yes, he himself is essential just a monster of brute force, but the AI when working in tandem, have the intellectual capabilities of the director, particularly the ‘cunning’ of Sigma. The goal of metastability also suggests when they are gathered together they act as a single consciousness, and so they would be able to collectively direct Maine far better than any of them normally could. For example, running circles around the entirety of the remaining Freelancers after attacking Carolina. That’s why the Meta was so brutally dangerous – obscene brawn backed by a similar degree of intelligence.

    Scenario 1 might be a win to Maine just from his sheer resilience, as apparently anything short of outright killing him is shrugged off. He also doesn’t seem averse to firing the brute shot at his own feet, which could be effective against MC given this. Although, if MC dealth with him tactically he could wear Maine down and most likely get the win.
    Scenario 2 and 3 should be fairly easy wins for the Meta, particularly the already mentioned temporal BS. Hell, he could beat MC down in close combat, especially given his strength, overshields and stealth and the presumably heightened perception given by the AI interface. Is Cortana ever seen actually helping MC in battle, or is she just used for logistical support? From what I’ve seen she doesn’t do all that much during combat, and even if she was incapacitated by Omega (unlikely, given the she’s a whole AI and Omega a fragment) it wouldn’t change all that much.

    By the way, the AI and equipment list was directly from the RvB wiki.

  32. OberHerr August 1, 2014 at 11:14 pm -      #32

    She increases his combat speed and reactions, as well as does things like increasing power in the area of his shield where he is about to be hit, transferring power around his suit if needed, and providing some degree of control over the suit itself, as well as him.

  33. the_man_with The_Answers August 2, 2014 at 10:38 am -      #33

    The issue with Freelancers is that they aren’t really shielded, and are vulnerable to bullets. Which means they aren’t going to do so well against someone who can put rapid fire pinpoint bursts through their head over and over.

  34. God Of Godzilla August 2, 2014 at 11:46 am -      #34

    The Meta has an overshield

  35. OberHerr August 2, 2014 at 12:33 pm -      #35

    That time distortion should be the reason he likely takes the ones with with equipment.

    Though, re-watching Reconstruction, it doesn’t last long. And he runs out of power really fast, especially if he uses more than one.

  36. Alpha or Omega August 2, 2014 at 3:17 pm -      #36

    @OberHerr
    “Though, re-watching Reconstruction, it doesn’t last long. And he runs out of power really fast, especially if he uses more than one.”
    /
    The only reason why it didn’t last as long was because he didn’t recharge it.
    As long as he has full power, he should be able to have the time stop longer than the first time.

  37. God Of Godzilla August 2, 2014 at 4:24 pm -      #37

    Remember when Wyoming made more of himself through his time distortion equipment? Couldn’t the Meta make multiples of himself

  38. Abominatus674 August 2, 2014 at 9:29 pm -      #38

    The thing with being able to stop time is that you don’t need it to last long. If MC can’t react, then how’s he going to stop a knifle to the neck, or a grenade, or a warthog flying at him at high velocity.

  39. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets August 3, 2014 at 4:05 am -      #39

    Any body see the episode where Epislon is processing time so fast it seems to be standing still and is still manipulating things? roosterteeth.com/archive/?id=9425&v=more 2:27-5:52 Seems pretty fast.

  40. God Of Godzilla August 3, 2014 at 10:07 am -      #40

    Isn’t that point moot in scenario 2

  41. Hylias Hero August 4, 2014 at 6:24 am -      #41

    Scenario One: I’m going to say the Chief takes it, the Meta requires an AI to use his abilities effectively and Freelancers aren’t augmented or trained nearly as much as Spartans.

    Scenario Two: I’d give this to the Meta because with his abilities going he has some pretty crazy feats under his belt. While Cortana does boost his already impressive reaction time I don’t think it would be enough to let the Chief win.

    Scenario Three: Meta. For the same reasons as above.

  42. Ares August 5, 2014 at 11:53 pm -      #42

    well i see john winning because cortana would over ride his systems and destroy him from inside while john does the rest

  43. WorthNEO August 6, 2014 at 12:27 am -      #43

    Red vs Blue characters have demonstrated far more speed, agility, and strength than their Haloverse counterparts. Any freelancer would wipe the floor with any Spartan you presented them.

    I must ask, what did the Chief do to you? Meta, Carolina, and Texas are the three worst options for a Haloverse Spartan to fight.

    The only RvB characters Haloverse Spartans can actually beat are the simtroopers (Reds and Blues) and the unnamed grunts in each episode.

  44. Ranger Lowk August 6, 2014 at 12:40 am -      #44

    “Red vs Blue characters have demonstrated far more speed, agility, and strength than their Haloverse counterparts. Any freelancer would wipe the floor with any Spartan you presented them.”

    Well Halo Legends did at least give halo spartans a boost in agility. And some of the novel has John pulling off some stuff like what you’d see in an RvB fight scene.

  45. Darth Bombad August 6, 2014 at 1:43 am -      #45

    “The only RvB characters Haloverse Spartans can actually beat are the simtroopers
    (Reds and Blues).”

    LoL! I’m not even sure he can beat them!, they may actually out “luck” him to death.

  46. Ranger Lowk August 6, 2014 at 2:03 am -      #46

    “I’m not even sure he can beat them!”

    It’d be the same as that fight when tex came back, except if tex had guns.

  47. Alpha or Omega August 6, 2014 at 2:28 am -      #47

    “well i see john winning because cortana would over ride his systems and destroy him from inside while john does the rest”
    /
    O’Malley/Omega A.I. is capable of taking over human bodies and Smart A.I.s(Beta/Tex) with the exception of the Alpha

  48. Hitman501st September 4, 2014 at 6:39 am -      #48

    First Master Chief would wipe the floor with Meta in scenario 1 you forget Master Chief has fallen from orbit in nothing more then his suit and lived. Now I know meta has been shot in the face/neck etc. but Master Chief wouldn’t be dumb enough to stand in the open and take rounds. If you’ve every read any of the books you’d know that the Spartans 2 are the strongest, fastest, and the smartest, plus they are commandos not like meta who is more of a shock trooper running head in. Another thing is Master Chief was raise and trained for combat since he was 6 years old and augmented to be the a super solider. Meta is nothing more then a Human with freelancer armor and equipment. Plus John has something that all other Spartans didn’t and that is luck.

    As for scenario 2 Cortana would simple hack her way in to meta systems and simple delete the other “stand AI” which are truly only fragment AI not enough a true stand AI even working together. Cortana is a smart AI that is able to truly learn and was made to hack and decode alien computer systems so in in point she hacks he suit delete the other fragment AIs and locks Meta shouting down all systems and Meta can die from lack of air and/or John walks up and remove the helmet well the rest of the suit is locked takes Meta own bruteshot and remove Meta head.

    Now the last scenario it is looking a lot better for Meta. I would have to say the down fall of chief would truly be Meta’s ability to stop time for a short time however Chief would more likely keep a distance of the Meta not knowing who he is facing and recon him out first. But this fight is still in Meta favor but the Chief has luck and that can make a win. For this fight I have no idea who would win.

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