Helghast Trooper Vs Blackwatch Trooper

Published on July 17, 2014, by admin - Posted in Duels 37

Suggested by croc911

A Helghast Trooper faces off against a Blackwatch Trooper

We are just comparing the individual soldier.

– Blackwatch from all Prototype games
– Helghast from all Killzone games

Which one is better?

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37 Comments on "Helghast Trooper Vs Blackwatch Trooper"

Xornell July 17, 2014 at 7:41 am - #1

First! And I’m gonna say Helghast.
The definition of insanity (panda) July 17, 2014 at 7:50 am - #2

Two video game’s with suicidal AI?. I would say that in all seriousness the Helgasht. But i think its because they have my genuine sympathies
The definition of insanity (panda) July 17, 2014 at 7:57 am - #3

So anyone got any of the blackwathch trooper’s feats?
OberHerr July 17, 2014 at 8:56 am - #4

Pretty sure Helghast just have better stuff.
mack006 July 17, 2014 at 9:14 am - #5

Don’t the Blackwatch have better training?
Secrecy27 July 17, 2014 at 9:57 am - #6

Without any specs on the weapons used by Helghast Troopers it is hard to compare them.
Parry Boy July 17, 2014 at 10:09 am - #7

@panda
They should, but it’s more of a Batman vs Superman. Batman may be smarter, and more skilled, but he ain’t doing jack to Clark.
Mr. happy July 17, 2014 at 10:13 am - #8

As much as I love Blackwatch, they are facing an enemy as brutal as they are which are somewhat human. So i’m rooting for the Helghast.
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‘Without any specs on the weapons used by Helghast Troopers it is hard to compare them.’
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It is implied they all use sabot bullets.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk3SOI9l2kY
Secrecy27 July 17, 2014 at 10:32 am - #9

@Mr. happy
Isn’t that a m82 used by ISA, while the Helghast’s use the StA-52?
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The only thing I have been able to find is that StA-52 has a rate of fire of 600 RPM and isn’t very accurate, while Blackwatch uses customized HK416, with 700-900 RPM and a effective range of 300m, and hits with a force of around 2,2 kilojoules per hit.
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As I said, no specs on the StA-52.
Secrecy27 July 17, 2014 at 10:59 am - #10

I would guess StA-52 fires 7.62 x 51mm rounds since the other helghant weapons seems to use them, and since it is inspired by the AK-47.
CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 17, 2014 at 1:00 pm - #11

So, I’m just assuming Helghast’s weapons are more advanced, but I’m thinking Blackwatch could win. Probably only because of the super soldier’s they have. Considering those guys tend to be around Hunter/Brawler level in physical prowess. Although I’m sure I’m overestimating the SS and underestimating Killzone’s tech(haven’t beat all of them, so I don’t know how good they are. Finished the first and working on the second).
Secrecy27 July 17, 2014 at 2:54 pm - #12

Well, I’m going to do the opposite, until proven otherwise I will assume Helghast weapons are equal to current-real-life tech.
croc911 July 17, 2014 at 3:13 pm - #13

@definition of insanity

Um…AI is not a good analysis of soldier’s feats, that is game mechanics
@Mr.Happy

Blackwatch troopers have better training than the average Helghast. They are all ex-special forces. After they are hand-picked they recieve additional training on how to deal with infected. They are the cream of the crop.
CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 17, 2014 at 4:02 pm - #14

“Well, I’m going to do the opposite, until proven otherwise I will assume Helghast weapons are equal to current-real-life tech.”
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The Helghast had this thing: img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090222202337/killzone/images/5/5b/CruiserLightning.02_.jpg which makes me think they do.
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If we’re going under the assumption they’re not as advanced then I still(kinda makes it easier if they have equalish tech)think you’r average Blackwatch soldier is better than your average Helghast troop(along with most troops in their army, probably not all though), with the Super Soldiers>any troop Helghast has.
OberHerr July 17, 2014 at 4:25 pm - #15

Op says we are merely comparing the mooks to one another. As in, bare minimum.
CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 17, 2014 at 4:33 pm - #16

@Ober Just says soldiers, doesn’t specify mooks or not. Still think mook Blackwatch>mook Helghast
Secrecy27 July 17, 2014 at 4:50 pm - #17

“The Helghast had this thing:”
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And the Helghast trooper use this thing, a StA-52. It’s counterpart is the M82, which is a equal-if-not-greater weapon, and the M82 uses a “short-stroke piston driving an operating rod to force the bolt carrier to the rear. This design prevents combustion gases from entering the weapon’s interior” (taken from Killzone wiki). The HK416 uses a “short-stroke piston driving an operating rod to force the bolt carrier to the rear. This design prevents combustion gases from entering the weapon’s interior“.
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There are only one reason to believe the StA-52 is more advanced than the HK416, and that still lacks proof.
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Individually Blackwatch soldiers should have better training since they are picked from the best of the military, and still gets continued training, while the helghast uses the old russian tactic of drowning you enemies in bodies.
croc911 July 17, 2014 at 4:55 pm - #18

@ allergic

Just for clarification, it is the mook helghast trooper vs mook blackwatch trooper. That means no fielding ORIONS or supersoldiers for blackwatch.
CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 17, 2014 at 5:10 pm - #19

@Secrecy I know that, but I’m just assuming they have better weapons than modern day because they can build crap like that, but I see what you’re getting at.
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“Individually Blackwatch soldiers should have better training since they are picked from the best of the military, and still gets continued training”
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Yea, that’s kinda my reasoning as to why Blackwatch would be better.
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@Croc Alright cool. Doesn’t change my answer, but thanks for the clarification.
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@Ober profanecards.com/assets/products/you-were-right—i-was-wrong-apology-card-1-400.jpg
Megaraptor18 July 17, 2014 at 5:13 pm - #20

Question?
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Is this the Second Extrasolar War Helghast or the Helghast in Shadow Fall? Because there is a 30 year difference between the two.
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I mean the Second Extrasolar War Helghast were meant as high grade cannon fodder as they relied on overwhelming numbers. However in Shadow Fall they couldn’t do that any more so they begin to rely on better tech and training.
Secrecy27 July 17, 2014 at 5:28 pm - #21

Their weapon tech don’t seem to have improved significantly. Infact, the StA-409 Keyzer is only better than the StA-52 in terms of recoil and bullet spread, it has a smaller magazine but faster reload speed.
Megaraptor18 July 17, 2014 at 5:35 pm - #22

Well the Helghast in Shadow Fall has far better armor as it seems like it takes more bullets to take one guy down went you compare to Killzone one through 3 and in shadow fall they have more access to more gear. Like underbarrel shotguns (which they did in Killzone one though), Grenade Launchers, and auto targeting missile launchers. Not forgetting they have more sights types to choice from. Now that is if we are doing standard soldiers of course. Because we do see them using teleporters (granted only snipers seem to have them) and has personal shielding (granted those were Stahl Arms troops not normal guys), and bubble shields.
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I need to know which type of troops we are dealing with here. Because as someone who has played the series since the first one I can say there is a difference between Second Extrasolar War Helghast and New Helghan Helghast.
croc911 July 17, 2014 at 5:36 pm - #23

@megaraptor18

Nice profile pic. By the way, its Helghast from all Killzone games.
CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 17, 2014 at 5:39 pm - #24

@Mega OP said mooks vs mooks, and recent incarnation rule tells me it’s probably Shadowfall era of Helghast.
Megaraptor18 July 17, 2014 at 5:44 pm - #25

@croc911
Thank you.
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Oh boy this is going have to be a two part match then. Because I think Blackwatch soldiers would have a chance against Second Extrasolar War Helghast even though outside of basic gear they would have a hard time against them but against the basic it would be an even fight and/or in Blackwatches favor.
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However against New Helghan Helghasts not so much given their better armor and slightly better weapons. Though what makes it hard for Blackwatch is all of the toys and devices that the New Helghan Helghasts have access too. Teleporters, bubble shields, personal shields, cloaking (which the Second Extrasolar War Helghast have), Petrusite Grenades, alot more drones, and so on. I don’t think the Blackwatch troops can take that on honestly.
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“@Mega OP said mooks vs mooks, and recent incarnation rule tells me it’s probably Shadowfall era of Helghast.”
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WTF is a mook? Does mook mean standard issue infantry? If so than Blackwatch chances isn’t that good if its New Helghan Helghast.
Secrecy27 July 17, 2014 at 5:51 pm - #26

I agree with Megaraptor18, Blackwatch has a high change of winning against Second Extrasolar War Helghast, but Shadowfall era would probably win.
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Still, it puts helghast to shame that we, who hasn’t developed reliably space travel, even have a change of winning.
croc911 July 17, 2014 at 5:56 pm - #27

@megaraptor

Although Blackwatch doesn’t have a variety of technological gimmicks available to them, you cannot deny the efficiency of a 40 mm grenade round or a Javelin Anti-tank rocket, which would render the shields utterly null.
CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 17, 2014 at 5:57 pm - #28

“By the way, its Helghast from all Killzone games.”
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Missed that.
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“Does mook mean standard issue infantry?”
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Pretty much. Just the most basic soldier from each side.
Megaraptor18 July 17, 2014 at 6:26 pm - #29

@Secrecy27
“I agree with Megaraptor18, Blackwatch has a high change of winning against Second Extrasolar War Helghast, but Shadowfall era would probably win.
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Still, it puts helghast to shame that we, who hasn’t developed reliably space travel, even have a change of winning.”
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Well the creators of the Killzone series wanted to keep a since of realism into the games. So they avoid going for quote “really sci fi stuff” like plasma rifles and the like. However with that said advancing in space travel doesn’t always mean you advance in other areas. Space travel doesn’t open up or allow access to other areas of tech like many would believe. To me that is a sci fi myth that just because you advance in space travel that means you much advance everywhere else automatic. That doesn’t happen in truth.
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Also them not having quote “better small arms” could be explained in the series backstory and you learn that not many wars happen and that the ISA is more or less a police force that was only called upon in two known wars which both extrasolar wars. The first one was a quick victory for the UCN so most likely the ISA didn’t get an increase budget for their armed forces and there wasn’t a need for a wartime force.
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They also though the Helghans were beaten and couldn’t have been a threat to them and a very decades later Visari rise to power in Helghan was unthinkable and when he took over he focused on war production. The only planet that was doing such if I understand it right in the backstory. So when he attacked Vekta and launched the Second Extrasolar War the Helghast had the most advance military in the universe because the UCN and the ISA didn’t really care about making more advanced warfighting tech like the Helghast were doing.
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After the Helghast defeat and Vekta was forced to give half of their own planet to the Helghast. (Because the Helghast lost their planet and a billion people and that decision was an UCN move. They don’t mention who decided that the Vektans had to give up half their planet too the Helghast but that is an UCN move right there because given a chance to make either the right decision or the wrong decision. The UCN would choice the latter everytime.) But enough about the rant against the UCN.
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Now in Shadow Fall both the Helghast and the Vektans have much better tech and weaponry as there is now a need for war production as there was no need for advancing military tech in a future where all of the Earth colonies were apart of this “big happy union of colonies” and “no need for war”. All of that changed after the Extrasolar Wars with the Cold War between Vekta and New Helghan. The need for advanced military weaponry is there and both sides are creating them. As you see in Shadow Fall that both sides are producing stuff that was far better than what was used in the Second Extrasolar War.
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Granted with that said that is how I have interpret the series via their backstory. Granted my interpretation could be wrong. So in short before the events of Killzone there was no need to put time and money into advancing military tech but now there is and we are seeing it in this new series of Killzone games. I wouldn’t be surprised if we begin seeing energy weaponry in the next game. I mean in the Second Extrasolar War they were close to that.
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“@megaraptor
Although Blackwatch doesn’t have a variety of technological gimmicks available to them, you cannot deny the efficiency of a 40 mm grenade round of a Javelin Anti-tank rocket, which would render the shields utterly null.”
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I would agree however the Helghast has anti-tank weapons and 40mm grenade launchers of their own. Also not forgetting they also have access to underbarrel missile launchers that are designed to target and destroy enemy drones. So take that into account. Though as it seems its standard infantry Blackwatch wouldn’t have to worry about shields since only Engineers have shields and Stahl Arms troops have personal shields. Also I’m not counting Multiplayer infantry classes because they come with a shield they place on the ground. So I’m going to stay solely in Single Player Helghast.
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Update
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I forgot to mention that Black Hand Helghast, aka terrorists in Shadow Fall have bubble shields but they are not apart of the Helghast Army.
Ragnorke July 17, 2014 at 6:28 pm - #30

“However with that said advancing in space travel doesn’t always mean you advance in other areas”
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Yep… i mean, look at those useless Chitori in the Avengers.
Megaraptor18 July 17, 2014 at 6:56 pm - #31

““However with that said advancing in space travel doesn’t always mean you advance in other areas”
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Yep… i mean, look at those useless Chitori in the Avengers.”
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Honestly yes what we say was a force that modern militaries would have been able to take care of in a prolong fight. Though Shield wanting to nuke the city was left field since they could have handle it. Granted New York would have been wiped out but in the long run they couldn’t have been able to expand much farther after New York. Since their air power is much weaker than what we have.
croc911 July 17, 2014 at 10:01 pm - #32

@megaraptor

Would it change things if Blackwatch was allowed supersoldiers? I don’t think the Helghast have anything to counter Supersoldiers that swat aside Javelin Missles fired at them.
OberHerr July 17, 2014 at 11:04 pm - #33

Already been addressed, but we do just assume whatever is most recent in the Franchise when deciding these things. So, yeah, Shadowfall Helgens.
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And what do the Supersoldiers do? Including Elites for each side would possibly make things more fun.
Megaraptor18 July 17, 2014 at 11:56 pm - #34

“@megaraptor
Would it change things if Blackwatch was allowed supersoldiers? I don’t think the Helghast have anything to counter Supersoldiers that swat aside Javelin Missles fired at them.”
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The closest thing to a supersoldier they have is Colonel Radec. But he died in the second game so in terms of Shadow Fall I would say either Stahl Arms Armadillo Trooper (which is the Helghast troops that use personal shields) the other would be the Helghast ATAC Drone which is still in service.
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Overall the Helghast don’t have supersoldiers and in fact there is no supersoldiers in Killzone. The closest to that was Colonel Radec and that was because of his armor, cloak, and teleporter. And I guess you could count Vladko Tyran but he can’t fight well and relies too much on the personal shield which is recharged by his drones, teleporter, and drones that does all of the fighting for him.
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So while I don’t know much about the supersoldiers in question but as you stated they are fast enough to dodge Javelin missiles so them being into this would change everything. So if you want to do that go ahead since the Helghast doesn’t have much of a counter other than three things, Stahl Arms Armadillo Troopers though one of the best ways to kill them is to use a knife (the shield must only work against objects and energy that are at a certain speed.), ATAC Drones, and Colonel Radec (though in the time of Shadow Fall he has been dead for 30 years. After you defeat him in Killzone 2 you wound him and rather risk being taken prisoner he pointed his sidearm to his head and killed himself.
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So in short supersoldiers would atleast balance. Though most likely have an edge over the Helghast. So you can throw them in if you like.
CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 18, 2014 at 2:56 am - #35

“And what do the Supersoldiers do?”
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Anything that Mercer/Heller did physically. They’re about as strong and fast(they were faster than Mercer, but slower than Heller). So, around 100+ ton strength, 280mph running speed(IIRC someone calced it to around that level, I’m probably wrong though, so don’t quote me), and like mentioned above are capable of swatting missiles out of the air.
Darth Bombad July 18, 2014 at 3:56 am - #36

Well the Helghast do have these guys.
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img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100408215754/killzone/images/d/d0/Heavy_Trooper.png
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Not sure how they’d fair against a super soldiers speed.
But they would crush any Black Watch not equipped with a javelin.
Albert W Wesker July 18, 2014 at 9:29 pm - #37

If I could say my opinion I would say Helgsst trooper because I like them better , but this isn’t about my opinion at all it’s about facts and I will use that as my credibility .
Helgast
The helgast are different branch of humans by what I have read I have read that the helgast are stringer and faster then humans but it does no show in the game . The only part I actually saw this in was when cornel Templar was hitting cornel Radec with his bear arms and Radec shoed no sign of being hurt or injured by Templar , but I sill stick with the fact that It was due to his amor protecting him . Training is not something I do not currently know of at this moment but I will say that it is still greatly to the point that they are efficient soldiers when firing , yet are highly trained soldiers which means that they are capable of shooting with great accuracy , fighting hand to hand and melee weapons so I would say the victor in this match will be backwatch solider and don’t get me wring I’m a fan of helgast but my study have shown it will not stand a chance against him I am sorry to say .