Oozaru Gohan Vs Cherno Alpha

Oozaru Gohan Vs Cherno Alpha

Suggested by Dill

This fights marks the debut of both fighters on BankGambling. Arriving from the Dragonball Z universe is Oozaru Gohan who faces off against Cherno Aplha from the Pacific Rim franchise.

They meet on Hawaii.

Whi would win?

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51 Comments on "Oozaru Gohan Vs Cherno Alpha"

  1. Rookie July 15, 2014 at 6:34 am -      #1

    It’s sad but Gohan will win.

    @Dill why did you do this to Cherno Aplha?
    Oh well. At least I remember about this thanks to this match:

  2. God Of Godzilla July 15, 2014 at 8:57 am -      #2

    Actually I think Cherno Alpha may be the winner assuming Oozaru can’t do ki blasts because the Russians have experience fighting Kaiju and Cherno is almost three times as big as Gohan assuming it’s the maximum size of the great apes applied to Gohan, Cherno also has flamethrowers on its shoulders and tesla fists that have a piston inside for extra power.

  3. Ragnorke July 15, 2014 at 9:06 am -      #3

    Size is a moot point when dealing with higher tier characters. Goku is the size of a well built man, but is probably a casual planet buster.
    So… yea

  4. Rookie July 15, 2014 at 9:09 am -      #4

    Gohan for BankGambling Award.

  5. Sauroposeidon July 15, 2014 at 9:16 am -      #5

    Wow.. Even in that form Gohan really isn’t in the same size category.

    This is pretty much how the fight will go. Ending with Cherno getting a victory when Gohan bites a fist that has a charged Tesla attack which proceeds to electrocute the hell out of his insides.

  6. God Of Godzilla July 15, 2014 at 10:23 am -      #6

    @Ragnorke
    When Gohan last time became oozaru he was a a child with a power level equal to raditz but in his great ape form he lacks any ranged attack except throwing whatever objects he finds and what’s stopping Cherno from grabbing gohans tail

  7. Megaraptor18 July 15, 2014 at 11:04 am -      #7

    I will have to correct you on that he doesn’t have any range attacks. As seen here.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIw9dWPl7zY

    He clearly has a range attack that is seems to be more powerful than most human weaponry as it is clearly shown destroying mountains.

  8. Envoy July 15, 2014 at 11:08 am -      #8

    “When Gohan last time became oozaru he was a a child with a power level equal to raditz but in his great ape form he lacks any ranged attack except throwing whatever objects he finds and what’s stopping Cherno from grabbing gohans tail”
    +
    Gohan had ki blasts as a Great Ape, and why would Cherno’s pilots know about a saiyan’s weakness?
    +
    www.mangahere.co/manga/dragon_ball/v14/c209/8.html
    www.mangahere.co/manga/dragon_ball/v14/c209/9.html
    =
    We never really see beserk Great Apes like Gohan fight someone their own size, we barely ever see them fight anyone at all.
    +
    I honestly think the Great Ape would ignore Cherno and just randomly destroy things until Cherno makes his presence known. Once that happens, IDK. Maybe Gohan kills him via Ki blast.
    +
    Should Gohan get pressured enough, he’ll get the rage boost and probably shreck some shite.

  9. Soulerous July 15, 2014 at 11:13 am -      #9

    Gohan was simply spamming those ki blasts in Megaraptor’s video. Cherno can’t tank that as far as I know.
    ~
    I honestly think the Great Ape would ignore Cherno and just randomly destroy things until Cherno makes his presence known.
    ~
    The problem with that is it’s a BankGambling match, so they will be trying to kill each other.

  10. Ragnorke July 15, 2014 at 11:18 am -      #10

    The Oozaru DOES have energy/ranged attacks, why are people saying he doesn’t?

    And regardless… what does the lack of ranged attacks have to do with his strength & durability?
    He could still be “strong” enough to rip Cherno to pieces. Size =/= Strength is DBZ.

  11. Laharl July 15, 2014 at 12:22 pm -      #11

    The Oozaru Gohan who can make a moon buster shit his pants?
    No.
    The Oozaru Gohan who is even stronger later?
    No.

  12. L-w July 15, 2014 at 1:28 pm -      #12

    If Cherno can close the distance between the two he’s has a pretty good chance.

    Her will have the height and weight advantage.

    The skill

    And the Tesla fist which is going to do lots of damage.

  13. Ragnorke July 15, 2014 at 1:56 pm -      #13

    “Her will have the height and weight advantage.”
    *sigh*
    Height & Weight mean nothing to DBZ characters. “Strength” is not related to size.

    “The skill”
    Are you kidding? You think those slow ass robots have the “skill” to fight a DBZ character?

    “And the Tesla fist which is going to do lots of damage.”
    Probably not. Oozaru was a threat to a moon-buster.
    Do you think the Tesla fist is on the same league as a moon-buster?

  14. God Of Godzilla July 15, 2014 at 3:11 pm -      #14

    Ok fail on my part about the ki blasts as I was thinking of Goku as oozaru at the time

  15. Sauroposeidon July 15, 2014 at 4:32 pm -      #15

    “Do you think the Tesla fist is on the same league as a moon-buster?”

    Was Gohan a moon buster back then?

  16. Xornell July 15, 2014 at 6:33 pm -      #16

    Even in it’s own universe Cherno Alpha was shit. Gohan takes it.

  17. God Of Godzilla July 15, 2014 at 7:09 pm -      #17

    How was Cherno Alpha shit?
    It was a mark one jaeger that lasted until near the end of the Kaiju war which was 10 years long, 10 fucking years as a mark one Jaeger this damn thing lasted longer than Crimson Typhoon who is a Mark 4 Jaeger without any improvements except radiation shielding
    So how is lasting 10 years as one of the first Jaegers shit? That’s like having Sherman Tank being used in the modern world against T-90s…ok not that far but you get the point

  18. Ragnorke July 15, 2014 at 7:24 pm -      #18

    “How was Cherno Alpha shit?”

    Am i the only that thinks the entire concept of humanoid robots is.. well… shit?
    Wouldn’t placing a bunch of Tesla canons at the breach be a few million times more effective & efficient?

  19. Tarbel July 15, 2014 at 8:44 pm -      #19

    You know something is probably very strong compared to you if you opt to destroy the moon rather than beat it down, ie. Piccolo meets Oozaru Gohan…

  20. L-w July 15, 2014 at 9:43 pm -      #20

    DBZ fighters might have superior skill. But during the only showing we’ve seen of Gohan’s Oozaru he barely had control himself let alone throw a coordinated punch. Plus the things Oozaru form was destroying weren’t mountains mainly because they were the size of buildings.

  21. Sauroposeidon July 15, 2014 at 9:52 pm -      #21

    “Am i the only that thinks the entire concept of humanoid robots is.. well… shit?
    Wouldn’t placing a bunch of Tesla canons at the breach be a few million times more effective & efficient?”

    What in the hell is a Tesla Cannon?

    “You know something is probably very strong compared to you if you opt to destroy the moon rather than beat it down, ie. Piccolo meets Oozaru Gohan…”

    The idea is the only alternative is to kill the Oozaru. That and the Moon will very kindly not dodge your attacks or fight back.

  22. Sauroposeidon July 15, 2014 at 9:54 pm -      #22

    “You know something is probably very strong compared to you if you opt to destroy the moon rather than beat it down, ie. Piccolo meets Oozaru Gohan…”

    The idea is the only alternative is to kill the Oozaru. That and the Moon will very kindly not dodge your attacks or fight back.

  23. God Of Godzilla July 16, 2014 at 3:32 am -      #23

    A cannon that shoots electricity and anyway building weapons around the breach would basically mean no Pacific Rim and eventually after a few Kaiju die, the next one comes out with a way to destroy the weapons.

  24. Sauroposeidon July 16, 2014 at 9:16 am -      #24

    Outside of the fact that an army of jaegers costs are a drop in the bucket compared to constructing an entire under water fortress at that depth. Outside of the fact that nothing short of nukes were killing them at the time? Outside of the fact that a kaiju at full strength likely would survive a tesla attack and then destroy the facility? Outside of the fact that you put hundreds of lives at risk instead of just two people? Outside of the fact that when the Jaegers were first introduced they were considered a minor side project and a major long shot but succeeded with flying colors, utterly dominating their opponents at first? Nothing stops them from surrounding the breach with tesla cannons, I suppose. I mean, they had no way of knowing something like Leatherback would eventually show up.

    The Jaegers represent a highly mobile defense system that can fight the Kaiju on their own terms, and defeat them with out the use of an entire army and nuclear weapons, as well as with out spilling Kaiju Blue all over the fucking place (usually).

    A major issue with killing them under water also has to do with Kaiju Blue. They rapidly begin to decay as soon as they die. If you kill them all in that concentrated spot, it quickly created a concentrated dead zone that will begin to contaminate the rest of the ocean.

    Just look at this. This is from ONE Kaiju.

    img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131118115756/pacificrim/images/2/24/Pr-kiajulue-spread.jpg

  25. God Of Godzilla July 16, 2014 at 12:10 pm -      #25

    ^ This
    And to reinforce this point, Trespasser aka the first Kaiju to attack took almost a WEEK to kill and THREE Tactical Nukes were used to kill it and that thing tanked TWO of them plus the entire military shooting at it.

  26. Sauroposeidon July 16, 2014 at 12:17 pm -      #26

    And as should be noted. They don’t just take these hits with out being hurt. Every bee sting attack that punctures your flesh makes you bleed. As do these beasts. Except the explosive forces hitting them cause their kaiju blue to spray out all over the place. Traditional methods of killing them are just not acceptable.

    This is why so many attacks are designed to crush, cauterize, zap, or freeze the kaiju. They don’t use explosive ammunition you might notice. Despite its huge cannons, Coyote Tango didn’t wipe out even the city street it was fighting Onibaba on. Striker Eureka’s new missiles were clearly chemical energy warheads. Most weapons were plasma, fire, or electricity based. Or bashing weapons like fists. Blades are rare for a reason, and only used as a last resort for a reason.

    Most of these weapons are useless under water, which is why they do not often fight under water, like at the rift. Even the Tesla Fists are dangerous to… pretty much everything else. Cherno can’t really play as part of a team because of it.

  27. God Of Godzilla July 16, 2014 at 2:56 pm -      #27

    Striker Eureka’s missiles penetrate into a Kaiju before exploding to minimize Kaiju Blue from squirting everywhere and its blades were heated to cauterize wounds though this is from the Pacific Rim novel so I don’t know how true it is in the movie.

    I thought Coyote Tango finished Onibaba off with a plasma cannon?

  28. Sauroposeidon July 16, 2014 at 3:34 pm -      #28

    “I thought Coyote Tango finished Onibaba off with a plasma cannon?”

    My point was it doesn’t use high explosive rounds that cause tons of area of effect damage that we might normally expect to see. I was showing off how the Jaegers are designed to minimize kaiju blue spillage.

  29. Tarbel July 16, 2014 at 11:36 pm -      #29

    Oozaru Gohan is pretty much moon level was my point. Piccolo was terrified of his power. Pretty much meaning Oozaru Gohan was at least approaching his level of power if not more. Which was shown to be moon level, moderately.

  30. OberHerr July 17, 2014 at 12:22 am -      #30

    There still is no excuse for not mounting all of the various Jaegers weapons on turrets, or just spamming things that tend to dominate them, like the missiles or plasma weapons.

    Plus the fact that it makes no goddamn sense that a nuclear missile, which packs megatons of firepower, wouldn’t be able to kill Kajiu, while comparably wimpy punches by Jaegers and plasma guns and those missiles work better.

    Pacific Rim was a good movie because it knew what it was, a movie ruled by rule of cool, with a pretty bad actual plot(though I did like the concept).

    Trying to justify it or make sense of the completely asinine decisions in it, and the complete lack of common sense by any of the people in charge isn’t gonna get anyone anywhere.

  31. Aelfinn July 17, 2014 at 1:02 am -      #31

    It made no sense to me why they couldn’t just use the insta-kill sword. “Kaiju-blue”, yeah, sure, but it’s not like punching it to death isn’t going to make it bleed. The plasma-cannons also clearly left large, gaping, bloody wounds in the creatures. If I have to choose between “insta-kill a monster and save everyone in the city” and “slowly beat it death”, I’m going to choose the first option regardless of what it does to the oceans because I still run that risk with the second one.

    This isn’t to say I didn’t love that movie. God DAMN did I love that movie. It’s stupid as fuck, but you just can’t beat fucking boat-swords.
    =
    In this fight, I have to choose Gohan. Giant energy-blasts for dayz.

  32. captain napalm July 17, 2014 at 7:08 am -      #32

    Yeah, this being the Oozaru Gohan that was able to beat the crap out of Vegeta…admittedly an injured Vegeta, but even that injured, Vegeta was easily handling base Gohan, who was able to injure Nappa, who was easily a moonbuster…plus the other moonbusting evidence up there (thing with Piccolo)…yeah. Gohan takes this, in my opinion.

    (Not to mention even an injured Vegeta must have been pretty damn fast, going by the vaguely-comparable Goku’s Snake Way running feat, so Oozaru Gohan being able to tag him says something for his speed.)

    Agree with the above about Pacific Rim. It’s one of those plots you can pick a lot of holes in, but that’s not the point. It’s got a robot slicing a giant pterodactyl in half. At that point, just shut up and take my money.

  33. Sauroposeidon July 17, 2014 at 7:36 am -      #33

    “Oozaru Gohan is pretty much moon level was my point. Piccolo was terrified of his power. Pretty much meaning Oozaru Gohan was at least approaching his level of power if not more. Which was shown to be moon level, moderately.”

    No one in the show at that point had moon level durability. It’s over kill. Even city busting attacks are considered dangerous to fatal. The explosion which killed Goku in the previous big battle was not particularly large. It’s a common case of weaponry out pacing armor.

    “Plus the fact that it makes no goddamn sense that a nuclear missile, which packs megatons of firepower, wouldn’t be able to kill Kajiu, while comparably wimpy punches by Jaegers and plasma guns and those missiles work better.”

    I don’t think any of the nukes they dropped on these kaiju were megatons. They slowly scaled up to put as little nuclear contamination out there as possible, is how I figure it went. I mean.. they had to try more than once just to kill Trespasser.

    You also have to consider how a nuclear blast works and what can hurt these things. I mean, the russian built tanks which survive nuclear blasts, but wouldn’t survive combat with a modern Abrams.

    The energy behind these punches is literally like taking a jumbo jet plane crashing in to you.. but not having the plane breaking up on impact. The physics on WHY is sound. The physics on HOW is sketchy.

    “It made no sense to me why they couldn’t just use the insta-kill sword. “Kaiju-blue”, yeah, sure, but it’s not like punching it to death isn’t going to make it bleed.”

    Up until then, punching it to death worked. Jaegers also often have a finishing attack which caused relatively little spread of kaiju blue.

    The hole in Leatherback doesn’t matter as much as the spread of blood.. although at that point I don’t think they cared as much. Two Jaegers went down and two kaiju are attacking a city. They just need to get shit done. Similar caution is thrown to the wind with the sword in the immediate following fight under water.

    ” I’m going to choose the first option regardless of what it does to the oceans ”

    The problem is more the spread in the city. Kaiju Blue quickly turns to vapor, so the body is going to let that shit off anyways. The problem is if it’s literally spread around for miles because the monster’s been running around with a gaping hole in its gun. Or because it was exploded with a giant cannon. Or whatever else have you. The issue of messy quick kill weapons doesn’t seem to be a concern outside of cities. Inside cities though.. they must minimize spread.

    “(Not to mention even an injured Vegeta must have been pretty damn fast, going by the vaguely-comparable Goku’s Snake Way running feat, so Oozaru Gohan being able to tag him says something for his speed.)”

    I’m going to go ahead and out right say this is a terrible example of scaling. There’s no way to know how far goku ran or for how long between breaks.There’s no way to know exactly how fast he was going and that doesn’t translate to combat speeds.

    “. It’s one of those plots you can pick a lot of holes in,”

    I disagree. I think it’s more lack of critical thinking on those who critique it and lack of knowledge of the world outside the movie.

  34. Xornell July 17, 2014 at 7:40 am -      #34

    If we’re picking apart all the shit that didn’t make sense in Pacific Rim, we’re gonna be here a while.

  35. captain napalm July 17, 2014 at 7:55 am -      #35

    “I’m going to go ahead and out right say this is a terrible example of scaling. There’s no way to know how far goku ran or for how long between breaks.There’s no way to know exactly how fast he was going and that doesn’t translate to combat speeds.”

    True, you can’t get anything like a precise/accurate measure. But he still went something in the vague vicinity of a million miles in something in the vague vicinity of a day or two. However you spin it, it’s much faster than sound.

    You have a better point about the relationship between travel and combat speed being impossible to determine, I’ll give you that.

    Hmm…well, Gohan should still take this in combat speed. Again, he caught Vegeta, who even injured should be so much stronger than Roshi it’s not funny, and Roshi easily caught multiple bullets. Cherno on the other hand, has human reflexes, not even peak human given that it was hardly the fastest Jaeger (I’m pretty sure Striker was the fastest? I think?).

  36. captain napalm July 17, 2014 at 9:06 am -      #36

    I’m not gonna lie, I’m glad this got posted, since it’s not often I’m familiar with both combatants.

  37. Sauroposeidon July 17, 2014 at 1:14 pm -      #37

    Yeah gohan is way faster. Striker is the fastest jaeger. Cherno is the slowest.

    However, Cherno is the most armored jaeger. Which means it would have fared even better than Gipsy did against the bomb.

    That bomb made a bigger boom than Turles’ attack meant to kill Oozaru Gohan.

  38. Ragnorke July 17, 2014 at 1:23 pm -      #38

    “The energy behind these punches is literally like taking a jumbo jet plane crashing in to you.. but not having the plane breaking up on impact. The physics on WHY is sound. The physics on HOW is sketchy.”

    Lol what?
    Why would someone want to crash jumbo jets into something when they can nuke it?
    There’s no comparison.

    “Up until then, punching it to death worked. Jaegers also often have a finishing attack which caused relatively little spread of kaiju blue.”

    It may have “worked” but that doesn’t make it efficient in any way.
    Mounting those plasma canons would undoubtedly be a cheaper and more effective way to kill them, while minimizing the destruction in the cities.

    “The problem is more the spread in the city. Kaiju Blue quickly turns to vapor, so the body is going to let that shit off anyways.”

    Which is why you could kill them with long range canons, BEFORE they reach the cities.

    “If we’re picking apart all the shit that didn’t make sense in Pacific Rim, we’re gonna be here a while.”

    Pretty sure most people agree the plot was sorta… silly…
    Was still fun to watch.

  39. OberHerr July 17, 2014 at 1:45 pm -      #39

    @Sauro
    Nukes have a hugely reduced effect underwater. Not to mention Gypsy was pretty far away

    And there is no reason on earth way the Nukes would have done less damage than punches from Jaegers. No way. Those punches would have to be leveling cities with every blow from the concussion. And there isn’t a reason either that things that have such a great effect against Kaiju, like the Plasma Cannon or Anti-Kaiju missiles, can’t be mounted on turrets. Or why the Jaegers don’t lead with the swords, since some polluted water out in the middle of the sea, which is also where they should have the Jaeger base, while they camp the ONLY SPOT WHERE KAIJU COME FROM.

    But yes, the movie was awesome, and frankly I wouldn’t want to watch a movie about how the governments of the world come together to set up turrets and camp the spawn point.

  40. captain napalm July 17, 2014 at 3:34 pm -      #40

    “However, Cherno is the most armored jaeger. Which means it would have fared even better than Gipsy did against the bomb.

    That bomb made a bigger boom than Turles’ attack meant to kill Oozaru Gohan.”

    True, good point. Still, on the other hand:
    1. Moonbusting
    2. Movie is non-canon
    3. Moonbusting
    4. Size of blast =/= power of blast
    5. Moonbusting

    (Sorry, that looks a lot more sarcastic/argumentative than it did in my head.)

  41. Sauroposeidon July 17, 2014 at 4:12 pm -      #41

    The problem is it’s the only time we get anything that can stop Gohan in the cartoon.

    What about in the manga? Do we ever see an attack which hurts, stops, or puts down Gohan in the manga?

  42. Ragnorke July 17, 2014 at 4:14 pm -      #42

    “That bomb made a bigger boom than Turles’ attack meant to kill Oozaru Gohan.”

    This is fictional universes we’re talking about…
    Since when does the size of the “boom” have anything to do with its power/damage?

  43. Sauroposeidon July 17, 2014 at 4:25 pm -      #43

    “Since when does the size of the “boom” have anything to do with its power/damage?”

    It depends on the attack. The boom was fairly substantial. Piercing attacks we don’t expect to see a big boom. Just out and out explosive power blasts we should.

    I also hate this argument because It’s so easy to make go either way. I argued against it when defending that Vegeta was a planet buster.

  44. Laharl July 17, 2014 at 5:25 pm -      #44

    >Thinking you can argue for Cherno at all

  45. Sauroposeidon July 17, 2014 at 5:35 pm -      #45

    “>Thinking you can argue for Cherno at all”

    I don’t think anyone has seriously argued that Cherno would win.

  46. captain napalm July 17, 2014 at 8:26 pm -      #46

    “What about in the manga? Do we ever see an attack which hurts, stops, or puts down Gohan in the manga?”

    Hmm…*checks* Vegeta cuts his tail off…I thought I remembered some other attacks, but that must’ve been anime-only, because in manga it’s just the tail-cutting-disc. Don’t know how much that counts for when comparing his overall durability, saiyan tails have always been a weak point.

    But anyway…I guess if nobody’s really arguing for Cherno, a lot of what I’m saying here is a moot point.

  47. Mea quidem sententia July 17, 2014 at 9:53 pm -      #47

    I’m glad Ragnorke is using a concept I’ve used yesterday and several months now. You’re catching on.

  48. Ragnorke July 17, 2014 at 10:53 pm -      #48

    “I’m glad Ragnorke is using a concept I’ve used yesterday and several months now. You’re catching on.”

    Calling the plot of Pacific Rim silly?

  49. Mea quidem sententia July 18, 2014 at 1:34 pm -      #49

    No, but if I was, what would that matter? It’s just that you said, “It’s fiction”. Yes. Yes it is.

  50. Bogatyr44 July 21, 2014 at 6:31 pm -      #50

    Gohan for BankGambling award.

  51. Tarbel July 22, 2014 at 2:33 am -      #51

    Well I just watched pacific rim and a good reason why long range cannons may not work is because of the kaijus speed as well as their tendency to submerge themselves staying hidden and making projectiles less effective. Also the cannons won’t be as versatile in defending since you’ll need a good amount of them to sufficiently cover the areas kaiju may go to. Realistically they should have just set up a mine field around the area and have carriers send out airstrike missions against any kaiju which breach the mine field using bombers which fly over the kaiju rather than at it. It would be multiple times cheaper to have just innovated on aircraft technology to carry heavier payloads at greater heights but I suppose its good to be creative. You know, at the cost of billions in devastation of cities and thousands of lives.

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