What If…Forrest Gump Was in the Hunger Games?

What If...Forrest Gump Was in the Hunger Games?

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What If…Forrest Gump Was in the Hunger Games?

Would he be able to rescue Lt. Dan?
What if someone held Jenny in danger?
Could he save Bubba this time?
How about all of the Hunger Game participants, could anyone stop him? (Katniss included?)
What else might happen?

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88 Comments on "What If…Forrest Gump Was in the Hunger Games?"

  1. Sauroposeidon July 14, 2014 at 7:28 am -      #1

    He would win. End of story.

  2. Xornell July 14, 2014 at 7:44 am -      #2

    Life is like a box of chocolates. And Forrest Gump walks ass backwards into the victory. This is a what if and not a match, so I’m assuming CIS and PIS are on.

    On an unrelated note, first night of work was fun. But in hyped of on caffeine, had a shit day at the gym, and want to kill everyone everywhere.

  3. the watcher July 14, 2014 at 8:41 am -      #3

    Winning by accident.

  4. The Sony Girl July 14, 2014 at 9:07 am -      #4

    The faq???????????????

  5. Friendlysociopath July 14, 2014 at 10:26 am -      #5

    Well, since this isn’t exactly a match- he’ll be fine. He has one of the finer sets of plot armor I’ve seen, plus he is actually pretty damn fast when he runs, he runs for a very long time without hurting himself, and he has decent reflexes from combat experience. Assuming he can find food, the other champions are never going to catch him so he can just outlast them until the end, then his armor will save him from that final trick that does in the other last champion.

  6. L-w July 14, 2014 at 11:19 am -      #6

    Oh my God this is my match.
    ——
    He’s pretty fast and combat experience.
    He also ignored getting shot.

  7. Ragnorke July 14, 2014 at 12:05 pm -      #7

    Wait.. so are we assuming he’s in the hunger game universe? and has to deal with president snow and all that political bullshit too?
    Or is he just in the actual Hunger-Games?

    @Xonrell
    ” had a shit day at the gym, and want to kill everyone everywhere.”
    My left forearm has snapped in half and i’v broken my right elbow, so i’m sure you’ll be fine ^^

    @L-w
    “He’s pretty fast and combat experience.”
    How about in melee combat?

  8. L-w July 14, 2014 at 12:22 pm -      #8

    He beat the shirt out of A hippie and Jenny’s boyfriend.

  9. L-w July 14, 2014 at 12:22 pm -      #9

    He beat the hell out of A hippie and Jenny’s boyfriend.

  10. Aelfinn July 14, 2014 at 12:29 pm -      #10

    Even ignoring the sheer Gump-factor (one of the few things that can defeat an omnipotent) he has absolutely incredible endurance and did very well both in boot camp and in actual combat situations. As has been mentioned, he practically shrugged off getting shot, and he can probably outlast everyone else if not kill them. If someone was holding Jenny, as the OP suggests…well, it would NOT be pretty.

  11. L-w July 14, 2014 at 12:32 pm -      #11

    Forrest Gump vs Katniss everdeen
    —–
    Let’s debate this NOW!!!!

  12. Friendlysociopath July 14, 2014 at 2:25 pm -      #12

    “Forrest Gump vs Katniss everdeen
    —–
    Let’s debate this NOW!!!!”

    Considering PIS would be removed, Gump dies.

    “he practically shrugged off getting shot”

    In his defense, he was shot in the buttocks, hardly the most vital part of the human body.

  13. Ragnorke July 14, 2014 at 2:51 pm -      #13

    “he practically shrugged off getting shot”

    Resisting pain is not the same as resisting injury…

    Also, this is a “What if..” meaning CIS is in play. He wouldn’t kill “innocent” little kids.
    Not that it matters, he wouldn’t stand a chance against the better trained ones.

  14. L-w July 14, 2014 at 2:51 pm -      #14

    Latinas missed a sack full of Apples simply because people were watching her. She would’ve died in all the books without someone helping her in some way.

  15. L-w July 14, 2014 at 2:52 pm -      #15

    Katniss

  16. OberHerr July 14, 2014 at 3:05 pm -      #16

    I dunno. If we assume he would kill the kills, which if Jenny, Lt. Dan or Budda are in danger, I imagine he would. He honestly would be perfect for the games. Heck, I could see him just hiding out on the outskirts, and just outlasting everyone.

  17. Ragnorke July 14, 2014 at 3:14 pm -      #17

    “Heck, I could see him just hiding out on the outskirts, and just outlasting everyone.”

    The game makers don’t let this happen.

    A lot of the tributes train for the games from a very young age and volunteer caus they are confident enough.
    Katniss specifically just got very lucky in all of her encounters, but i see no reason for why Gump would win.

    He doesn’t have the training he needs… like not even close.
    Standard military training doesn’t cut it here imo.

    “I dunno. If we assume he would kill the kills, which if Jenny, Lt. Dan or Budda are in danger, I imagine he would.”

    Why or how would they be in danger?
    The match description doesn’t really clarify the scenario…

  18. OberHerr July 14, 2014 at 3:29 pm -      #18

    I dunno. We hear a lot of examples of people winning the Hunger Games from that strategy. And his reaction when he is in danger, and no one else needs saving “RUN FOREST! RUN”……

  19. Ragnorke July 14, 2014 at 3:34 pm -      #19

    “I dunno. We hear a lot of examples of people winning the Hunger Games from that strategy. ”

    They win by creating camouflage suits which are close to “perfect”
    Forest isn’t capable of doing that.

  20. OberHerr July 14, 2014 at 3:36 pm -      #20

    Since when? From what I remember, half of its just being really good at avoiding everyone else. Some of them hide, but its mostly just keeping away from the main group.

  21. Ragnorke July 14, 2014 at 3:42 pm -      #21

    “half of its just being really good at avoiding everyone else. Some of them hide, but its mostly just keeping away from the main group.”

    Match makers don’t like people that “keep running away from the main group”
    They burnt the forest when katniss went too far.
    They sent the dogs when Katniss wouldn’t leave the cave.
    And it wasn’t just caus they were picking on katniss.

    Not to mention every match arena is completely different.
    I think there was an arena which was literally a coliseum which is mentioned in the books.

    99% of it is getting people to trust you, and then stabbing them in the back.
    Pretty sure that’s what haymitch says in the books.

  22. OberHerr July 14, 2014 at 3:48 pm -      #22

    It depends on how your gonna win. And the only reason they did that to Katniss is because they wanted HER to fight the others. They never cared about Foxface. And honestly….he could outrun most of what they could send at him, seeing as they tend to send things that you can outrun.

  23. Ragnorke July 14, 2014 at 3:53 pm -      #23

    “And the only reason they did that to Katniss is because they wanted HER to fight the others”

    Not true.
    In the first hunger games she was a completely normal participant.
    They were NOT picking on HER.

    In the second hunger games, the match maker was specifically trying to keep her alive (he was part of the rebellion)
    But the match arena was so fucked up and dangerous she almost died a few times anyways.

    Barely anyone wins just by hiding or running. All the winners were extremely skilled in combat, or really really smart with their technology and resources.

  24. God Of Godzilla July 14, 2014 at 4:58 pm -      #24

    “Run Forest,Run” comes to my mind in this scenario…and having a box chocolate from those people that support a certain participant (the name escapes me).

  25. Tsubodai July 14, 2014 at 5:54 pm -      #25

    “What if forest gump was in the hunger games?”

    It would be damned beautiful, that’s what.

    All joking aside, I think gump is in trouble here. He’d be fine against the average tribute, but you have to remember that if he went charging in to save someone being held by the career pack (the most likely scenario for a rescue), he would be one above-average soldier vs. four gladatorial combat specialists trained from birth. Even with his (probaby) considerable height and weight advantage, he is going to have a bad time.

    Katniss could theoretically stop gump – but i wouldn’t bet on it, not with his plot armor and the fact that neither would really try to kill the other (katniss never goes full cold-blooded, gump wouldn’t hurt a fly if it wasn’t going to hurt someone he cared about). If they did end up fighting, i’d expect gump to use ‘run gump run’ and dodge all her arrows with some mild help from plot shields, then get in close and smash her pretty easily.

    Last way he could die: someone clever slips poison into his food, or he just straight up eats a poisonous thing. Consider the incident of peeta and the berries – I don’t know how vulnerable gump might be to that kind of thing.

  26. Friendlysociopath July 14, 2014 at 6:17 pm -      #26

    Hmm, that might be a fun scenario- pick 8 low to mid tier characters and devise a special arena for them to fight in; special as in the arena would be a legitimate danger to the characters as well as the other fighters.

    The BankGambling Hunger Games… nah, we’d need a snazzier title, any suggestions?

  27. Ragnorke July 14, 2014 at 6:52 pm -      #27

    @Friendlysociopath
    Isnt that like… every match?

  28. The definition of insanity (panda) July 14, 2014 at 6:56 pm -      #28

    Forest simply uses his plot tank and crushes all opposition in the fist three minutes. Becomes the quickest victor of the hunger games.

  29. Friendlysociopath July 14, 2014 at 6:57 pm -      #29

    @Ragnorke- Doesn’t seem to be, normally it’s a very neutral battleground from what I’ve seen. (only been here about 3 weeks, but I’ve looked at a lot of past battles) for the most part people go with fair 1v1 fights, with exceptions at times.

    It would pretty much be a regular fight, the big change would be the area not being neutral and instead being an actual danger. Picture that Jack Sparrow, Nathan Drake, Lara Croft, Indiana Jones fight in the area from the 2nd Hunger Games- chaos incarnate.

  30. Parry Boy July 14, 2014 at 7:09 pm -      #30

    He wins by moonwalking, and doesn’t even need to go Super Saiyan 1.

  31. Ragnorke July 14, 2014 at 7:17 pm -      #31

    “It would pretty much be a regular fight, the big change would be the area not being neutral and instead being an actual danger. Picture that Jack Sparrow, Nathan Drake, Lara Croft, Indiana Jones fight in the area from the 2nd Hunger Games- chaos incarnate.”

    Having a match scenario like that makes it almost undebatable.
    It’s impossible to really determine how a character will act, since only his writer knows that (and there’s almost always a shit ton of PIS in movies)
    In more “neutral” or standard battlegrounds, we remove PIS, we determine his CIS using the very basic traits in his personality, and then assume he goes with the most viable/likely method.
    Adding even a tiny amount of variables makes it ALOT harder to debate, since PIS & CIS begin to behave very differently.

  32. pimpmage July 14, 2014 at 7:22 pm -      #32

    Are we really going to debate this as if gump was chuck norris?

    Anyway,
    shrimp is the fruit of the sea.
    You can barbecue it,
    boil it, broil it, bake it, sauté it.
    There’s shrimp kabobs, shrimp creole,
    shrimp gumbo, pan fried,
    deep fried, stir fried.
    There’s pineapple shrimp
    and lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp,
    pepper shrimp,
    shrimp soup, shrimp stew,
    shrimp salad, shrimp in potatoes,
    shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich.
    That’s about it.

  33. Ragnorke July 14, 2014 at 7:25 pm -      #33

    “Are we really going to debate this as if gump was chuck norris?”

    Apparently feats are useless in “what if..” scenarios. -.-

  34. Parry Boy July 14, 2014 at 7:29 pm -      #34

    @Pimpage
    Marvel, DC, Anime ———-
    Shrimp lives in the sea
    It's the cockroach of the sea
    Open your eyes if you can see
    All they eat is little plankton that you plea

    Then you eat it for a meal
    Eat it's family for a deal
    They can't even see their favorite color: teal
    Their nutrients, shall your stomach seal

  35. Ranger Lowk July 14, 2014 at 8:52 pm -      #35

    “Are we really going to debate this as if gump was chuck norris?”

    That seems like a nerf for Gump. And that shrimp part caught me off guard. Nearly chocked on on my food.

  36. Ragnorke July 14, 2014 at 9:01 pm -      #36

    Shrimp is love, Shrimp is life.

  37. Parry Boy July 14, 2014 at 10:46 pm -      #37

    @Rag
    HOW DARE YOU

  38. General Joshua Hundell of the Trans-Dimentional Fleet July 14, 2014 at 11:51 pm -      #38

    @Parry Boy
    he dares

  39. Parry Boy July 15, 2014 at 12:16 am -      #39

    *Indistinguishable chatter of disapointment*

  40. jackn8r July 15, 2014 at 12:25 am -      #40

    “Match makers don’t like people that “keep running away from the main group”
    They burnt the forest when katniss went too far.
    They sent the dogs when Katniss wouldn’t leave the cave.
    And it wasn’t just caus they were picking on katniss.”

    He’s an awarded Vietnam veteran. I’m sure he knows how to camouflage himself. His endurance and speed help him to get out of situations like these that matchmakers might possibly throw at him.

    “Barely anyone wins just by hiding or running. All the winners were extremely skilled in combat, or really really smart with their technology and resources.”

    He set the company record for being able to disassemble and reassemble his firearm. He knows his way around a gun. Other than that, like I said he’s an awarded Vietnam veteran. He knows how to fight, keep cover, etc.


    I would say that his main problem here is running into bad luck where he simply doesn’t see someone up in the trees or something like that but since CIS is active his stupidity will turn the luck in his favor. I can see it. An arrow aiming for him from the trees just narrowly misses him and hits a different tribute hiding near him. Then the tribute in the trees falls and breaks an arm.

  41. jackn8r July 15, 2014 at 12:40 am -      #41

    Forest tries to save their life and a friendship forms.
    Later, it’s down to 4. Forest, the Friend, and 2 careers. Forest and the Friend know that they have to go after the careers themselves and can’t just wait them out–they’ve trained their lives for this they will surely win the waiting game. Forest makes an attempt to confront the careers only to find he’s horribly outmatched and books back the way he came. He’s being tailed by one of the careers. Luckily for him his Friend in the trees has his back and repays the debt by taking out the career. It’s at this point the Friend realizes they aren’t going to make it out alive without Forest losing his life be it at their hands or the other career’s. In a moment of dejavu the Friend takes aim at Gump and releases once again narrowly missing and this time hitting the last remaining career stealthily hidden in the bush to his left. As the shot fired the Friend loses balance and falls out of the tree once again this time hitting their head on a branch during the descent. The Friend lay unconscious as Gump attempts to tend to them but he smells something. It smells like barbecue. But it’s not. It’s a forest fire started by the game makers 20 minutes ago finally consuming the very woods they’re trapped in. Gump tries to save the Friend’s life, but unlike his efforts with Bubba, Gump is extremely tired and malnourished from the Games and can’t muster up the strength to carry their body out of the forest.

    Gump wins in a tragic victory.

  42. The definition of insanity (panda) July 15, 2014 at 12:42 am -      #42

    @jackn8r i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac332/jahooliah01/Tumblr%20Gifs/tumblr_ls9jq16dNk1qatrg7.jpg

  43. Parry Boy July 15, 2014 at 1:02 am -      #43

    @jack
    *Slow Claps*

  44. cuccolover July 15, 2014 at 2:04 am -      #44

    forest gump ROLFstomps the hunger games universe in a what if sinerio. matches are different. also, forest is a very good runner, as he runs across the USA 7 to 8 times in a few years because he was sad.

  45. L-w July 15, 2014 at 2:13 am -      #45

    I find only fair that I tell you I was horrifically drunk suggesting this match

  46. Parry Boy July 15, 2014 at 2:27 am -      #46

    You weren’t drunk. You were in pills.

  47. L-w July 15, 2014 at 2:33 am -      #47

    So is anyone excited about tomorrow’s match

  48. Parry Boy July 15, 2014 at 6:09 am -      #48

    Which?

  49. Rorschach July 15, 2014 at 9:20 pm -      #49

    What about the orangutan from Gump and Co.?
    If you don’t know about the sequel, maybe you should.
    He accidentally crashes the Exxon Valdez, helps destroy the Berlin Wall, and fights in Operation Desert Storm with an orangutan named Sue. Sue survived a NASA mission and cannibals with Forrest in the first book.

  50. Ragnorke July 15, 2014 at 9:25 pm -      #50

    “He’s an awarded Vietnam veteran. I’m sure he knows how to camouflage himself. ”

    I’m guessing you havnt read or seen the hunger games…
    The camouflage they make is literally unreal.

    “His endurance and speed help him to get out of situations like these that matchmakers might possibly throw at him.”

    The situations arnt supposed to kill you, thy’re supposed to get u back to the main groups.
    Meaning he either dies or is forced to face a group of trained killers (more trained then him anyways)

    “He set the company record for being able to disassemble and reassemble his firearm. He knows his way around a gun. ”

    U dont get guns in the hungergames.

    “Other than that, like I said he’s an awarded Vietnam veteran. He knows how to fight, keep cover, etc.”

    And some of the people he’s up against train since they’re 5 for this one event.

    “I can see it. An arrow aiming for him from the trees just narrowly misses him and hits a different tribute hiding near him. Then the tribute in the trees falls and breaks an arm.”

    This is called PIS, and it doesn’t apply in BankGambling matches.

  51. OberHerr July 15, 2014 at 9:46 pm -      #51

    Honestly I just think the idea of him running through the whole thing, from the start, and accidently causing the deaths of the other tributes is a hilarious idea.

    Which makes me think of another thing…how fun would the Hunger Games be to watch really? I mean, they last two weeks or more I think, from the books. And RARELY does anyone die. The start, sure its a dumb bloodbath of Careers killing stupid kids, and I’m sure occasionally some people die or get killed by whatever after that…but really? I mean, most of its just some teenagers looking for food, or sitting around eating.

    Sounds like a REALLY boring reality TV show if you ask me.

  52. Ragnorke July 15, 2014 at 10:02 pm -      #52

    “Sounds like a REALLY boring reality TV show if you ask me.”

    You arnt expected to watch the entire thing, it’s just something that’s happening. They keep talking about the highlights and keep narrating it in talk-shows/news. And alot of people place bets.

    Not to mention it’s entire purpose isn’t entertainment… They talk about it quite a bit in the books and movies.

  53. OberHerr July 15, 2014 at 10:22 pm -      #53

    I know its actual purpose, but people in the Capital have come to the point where its basically a reality TV show. And I know people place bets…but I mean, two weeks? Maybe more? With only twenty four tributes to kill, most of them dying off the first day? What the hell is there to highlight? “And Katniss….ate….some squirrel….and uh….used the bathroom a few times….as did Foxface….and the Careers…..”

  54. Ragnorke July 15, 2014 at 10:36 pm -      #54

    “but I mean, two weeks? Maybe more? With only twenty four tributes to kill, most of them dying off the first day? What the hell is there to highlight?”

    Kinda like the world cup. It lasts a month, and the actual matches are only 24 hours top, but the hype still exists.
    I still enjoy it. I enjoy watching the highlights, or discussing how certain teams played.

    I can see why it would be entertaining.

  55. OberHerr July 15, 2014 at 10:42 pm -      #55

    Maybe. I guess I’m just not a big person for that sort of thing.

    I need more BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!!! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL GOD!!!

  56. jackn8r July 16, 2014 at 10:20 am -      #56

    “I’m guessing you havnt read or seen the hunger games…
    The camouflage they make is literally unreal.”

    I have and have. Why would you assume such a thing? Last I checked Peeta was the only one who even really took the camouflage route, and was only really good at it because he had practice with the cakes. Morphlings weren’t the most impressive and their camouflage techniques certainly aren’t out of most people’s capabilities.
    If it’s not a common practice in the games, it’s still going to be beneficial.

    “The situations arnt supposed to kill you, thy’re supposed to get u back to the main groups.
    Meaning he either dies or is forced to face a group of trained killers (more trained then him anyways)”

    Read what you quoted me saying again. You didn’t counter a single thing there. I never said they were meant to kill him. I simply said that he is much more capable than the other tributes in evading/escaping them.

    “U dont get guns in the hungergames.”

    Point is that he knows his way around a weapon. There are blowguns, knives, mines, etc. which he should be reasonably capable with (army experience.)

    “And some of the people he’s up against train since they’re 5 for this one event.”

    And you can clearly see how that caused careers to win decisively in both hunger games right? Anyone is capable of killing. Being a little better at it than the next tribute isn’t the only factor that goes into who ends up winning.

    “This is called PIS, and it doesn’t apply in BankGambling matches.”

    No, his incredible luck is a result of his CIS, which is included in What If scenarios.

  57. Ragnorke July 16, 2014 at 10:23 am -      #57

    “No, him incredible luck is a result of his CIS, which is included in What If scenarios.”

    Being lucky is NOT a character trait, it’s the result of convenient plot. It amazes me that people think otherwise.

    There is no magical or supernatural evidence which would lead me to believe his luck is a proven character trait (like mat from WoT).
    Therefore I take the realistic route, where luck does not exist. It is a random set of events, and the plot was on forests side.

  58. jackn8r July 16, 2014 at 11:50 am -      #58

    “Being lucky is NOT a character trait, it’s the result of convenient plot. It amazes me that people think otherwise.”

    He has a huge amount of bad luck as well. Jenny dies, Bubba dies in his arms, he was bullied in school, etc.
    Put it this way, if you’re saying his luck is due to plot stupidity rather than character stupidity, then you mean ALL luck is due to plot.
    When he jumps out of his boat and it crashes into the pier, that is clearly a result of the character’s stupidity and low IQ. He is too overjoyed to care about what consequences come form jumping out of the boat. That is quite clearly a character being stupid, and it’s just bad luck that the pier happens to be right there in the path of the boat. The assertion that luck wholly is due to convenient plot is wrong.

    “There is no magical or supernatural evidence which would lead me to believe his luck is a proven character trait (like mat from WoT).”

    You could very well argue that incredible luck and coincidence is a supernatural power.

  59. Ragnorke July 16, 2014 at 12:27 pm -      #59

    ALL luck IS due to plot. That’s exactly what im saying.
    You could argue that it’s a supernatural power, but you wouldnt win the argument.
    It is a random set of events.

    His “luck” will not be included here.

  60. Ranger Lowk July 16, 2014 at 12:53 pm -      #60

    “ALL luck IS due to plot. That’s exactly what im saying.”

    Unless you someone like Longshot. it which case its called probability manipulation.

  61. Sauroposeidon July 16, 2014 at 1:14 pm -      #61

    “Being lucky is NOT a character trait, it’s the result of convenient plot. It amazes me that people think otherwise.”

    Luck is a character trait. Plot Armor is a different trait. A character which literally relies on Plot Armor as a gimmick is likely allowed it (such as, say, droopy dog.. please, no one suggest a droopy dog match), where as characters which simply enjoy it (such as, say, Luke Skywalker) is not.

    Megas XLR has won essentially every match due to its plot armor gimmick of always have the right super weapon for the job, or being accidentally highly competent.

  62. Ragnorke July 16, 2014 at 1:14 pm -      #62

    “Unless you someone like Longshot. it which case its called probability manipulation.”
    The example i used was Mat from WoT.

    “Luck is a character trait. ”
    Nope. Luck is random, as by the laws of physics.
    Therefor unless a supernatural explanation is given for why forest is “lucky”, it is plot.

    “Megas XLR has won essentially every match due to its plot armor gimmick of always have the right super weapon for the job, or being accidentally highly competent.”
    How is that luck? we know what the character has and what he doesn’t. He’s just insanely powerful.

  63. Ragnorke July 16, 2014 at 1:22 pm -      #63

    Luck: success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one’s own actions
    Chance: a possibility of something happening.
    Possibility: a thing that may happen or be the case.

    Something “that MAY happen”. Which takes us back to Luck.
    It is completely random, and the character can do nothing to change that luck. Therefor it is not a character trait, it is a plot-device.

  64. jackn8r July 16, 2014 at 1:37 pm -      #64

    “Nope. Luck is random, as by the laws of physics.
    Therefor unless a supernatural explanation is given for why forest is “lucky”, it is plot.”

    “It is completely random, and the character can do nothing to change that luck.”

    You’re ignoring the fact that Forest Gump DOES have incredible luck that is specific to him. It’s hardly random in his case.
    No it’s not random in the movie; it’s specific to and enhanced in the case of Forest Gump in his universe.–making it a character trait like Sauro said. Call it what you want, unintentional probability manipulation, luck, it’s all the same thing and it’s specific to Forest Gump.

  65. jackn8r July 16, 2014 at 1:44 pm -      #65

    Character trait:
    a distinctive but not necessarily invariable feature exhibited by all individuals of a group and capable of being described or measured
    Do you deny him being exceptionally lucky? There are many examples.

  66. Ragnorke July 16, 2014 at 1:54 pm -      #66

    “and capable of being described or measured”
    Being “lucky” is not quantifiable.

    “Do you deny him being exceptionally lucky? There are many examples.”
    You yourself provided many examples of him being unlucky too. This is a moot point.

    “You’re ignoring the fact that Forest Gump DOES have incredible luck that is specific to him. It’s hardly random in his case.”
    As i said earlier, by saying this you are contradicting the laws of reality.
    Events occur randomly, and no individuals “luck” can change the course of those events. They occur by chance.
    If there is infact a supernatural reasoning (such as for Mat in WoT) only THEN will it be be considered a character trait.
    Until then it is Plot.

  67. Ragnorke July 16, 2014 at 2:00 pm -      #67

    Every event in a ficitonal universe is called Plot. Every single one.
    If the character had a direct impact on that event, meaning if he intentionally or willingly influenced the event, it is considered a feat.
    If the event took place by random chance, without the character having a say in it, it is “luck”, making it part of the plot.

    I’m still amazed people are having trouble understanding this.

  68. Sauroposeidon July 16, 2014 at 2:28 pm -      #68

    “Nope. Luck is random, as by the laws of physics.
    Therefor unless a supernatural explanation is given for why forest is “lucky”, it is plot.”

    I never actually argued that Forest has a Luck super power. I simply said it can be trait. Longshot is the primary example of this. The only one I can think of at the moment actually. I always thought that it was an odd trait to have, but it works out for him doesn’t it?

    “How is that luck? we know what the character has and what he doesn’t. He’s just insanely powerful.”

    I differentiated between luck and plot armor hax in my post, I believe. The two are different things.

  69. jackn8r July 16, 2014 at 2:30 pm -      #69

    “Being “lucky” is not quantifiable.”

    Read exactly what you quotes again. Traits don’t need to be quantifiable. If someone has a narcissistic personality, is that automatically plot because it’s not quantifiable?
    “and capable of being described or measured”

    “You yourself provided many examples of him being unlucky too. This is a moot point.”

    You’re using the wrong words here. I provided an example of bad luck which is still luck. I never denied that he might find misfortune in the hunger games. Here though, YOU are misattributing the word “unlucky” to mean not having any luck. Unlucky is a synonym for bad luck, in that ‘luck’ is usually considered in a positive sense–when someone says they’re lucky they mean the positive. Therefore unlucky meaning having bad luck, not the absence of luck. I have provided no such examples of him not possessing luck be it good or bad, I have provided examples of both good and bad. Generally, he has a lot more good luck than bad. Sure he crashed his boat, he also survived the storm and developed a shrimping monopoly.

    “As i said earlier, by saying this you are contradicting the laws of reality.”

    Which is bullshit. You’re assuming that the concept of luck has no grounds in Forest Gump’s universe when we have numerous of counter-examples showing it does.

    “Events occur randomly, and no individuals “luck” can change the course of those events. They occur by chance.”

    Call it ‘unintentional probability manipulation’ or whatever you want. Forest Gump’s “luck” exists in his universe evidently and changes the course of events many times.

    “If there is infact a supernatural reasoning (such as for Mat in WoT) only THEN will it be be considered a character trait.
    Until then it is Plot.”

    Not going by the definition.

    “I’m still amazed people are having trouble understanding this.”

    Easy googling disagrees with you:
    www.readwritethink.org/files/resources/lesson_images/lesson175/traits.pdf
    www.scholastic.com/teachers/sites/default/files/posts/u133/images/charactertraits.jpg
    courses.unionschool.edu.ht/pluginfile.php/8789/mod_book/chapter/802/Common%20Character%20Traits.jpg
    wamego.pbworks.com/f/1319040691-360p/Character+Traits+List.pdf
    Just about all of these are elementary school worksheets. I’m a little amazed actually.

  70. Ragnorke July 16, 2014 at 4:05 pm -      #70

    “Which is bullshit. You’re assuming that the concept of luck has no grounds in Forest Gump’s universe when we have numerous of counter-examples showing it does.”

    No. Forest Gumps universe is meant to be identical to ours.
    “luck” still falls under plot.
    And even IF forest gumps universe has “luck” as a “real thing” that can actively affect events, the Hunger Games universe does not.

    “Call it ‘unintentional probability manipulation’ or whatever you want. Forest Gump’s “luck” exists in his universe evidently and changes the course of events many times.”

    So why would is still exist in other universes?
    Forest Gumps universe might have “luck”, does not mean all universes do. And this “ability” would not be kept in a match scenario like this.
    Our real universe forexample, does not have luck.

    In the real universe, Luck & Chance are meant to be completely Random. The end.
    No one has “better” luck thn anyone else, it is as random as it gets.
    Assuming someone is “luckier” then others is disagreeing with reality.

  71. jackn8r July 17, 2014 at 1:16 am -      #71

    “No. Forest Gumps universe is meant to be identical to ours.”

    But it’s not. It’s fiction. Luck, plot armor, CIS, PIS, etc. all exist within Forest Gump’s verse. At this point you’re just denying he has luck at all which isn’t true given all the examples.

    ““luck” still falls under plot.”

    Unless it’s attributed to him as a character rather than as a convenient plot device–which I’ve already shown by his instances of luck not having much plot bearing and his episodes of misfortune and fortune.

    “And even IF forest gumps universe has “luck” as a “real thing” that can actively affect events, the Hunger Games universe does not.”

    It’s a character trait not a supernatural force. Why do you never see the other point of view? Being a character trait, he has it in the Hunger Games.

    “So why would is still exist in other universes?”

    …it’s irrelevant whether the other universes or characters within them have it. He has it. It’s his own character trait. It’s part of who he is.

    “n the real universe, Luck & Chance are meant to be completely Random. The end.
    No one has “better” luck thn anyone else, it is as random as it gets.
    Assuming someone is “luckier” then others is disagreeing with reality.”

    Cool story. Once again it’s not some fundamental rule of the universe, it’s a character trait. All these analogies are invalid due to an invalid premise. Might as well remove his superhuman endurance too because it’s impossible in the real world. Wrong.

  72. ReDruM July 19, 2014 at 3:50 am -      #72

    I find myself agreeing with Jack. Luck can play a factor on a character with more to it then PIS. Best example I can think of is MC. He’s described as being mediocre in comparison to his fellow Spartans but his maim advantage was his tactical mind and his luck which is why he’s one of like 6 of the original 48 I think to still be breathing, surviving situations that killed his fellow Spartans in the exact same way.

  73. Parry Boy July 19, 2014 at 4:17 am -      #73

    ^^ I think it’s just that so that fanboys won’t wail and cry for months if John dies.

  74. jackn8r July 19, 2014 at 12:42 pm -      #74

    That’s true. MC has canonical luck described in the Fall of Reach.

  75. OberHerr July 19, 2014 at 1:18 pm -      #75

    Luck is plot armor though. I mean honestly. It just is. It’s a canon reason for it, but it’s still plot armor.

  76. jackn8r July 19, 2014 at 1:30 pm -      #76

    “Luck is plot armor though. I mean honestly. It just is. It’s a canon reason for it, but it’s still plot armor.”

    Not necessarily. Luck isn’t always good, and in Gump’s case it’s mostly attributed to the character’s stupidity. As gone through above, it’s a character trait by definition.

  77. Ragnorke July 19, 2014 at 1:46 pm -      #77

    Being “lucky” is not a real thing. It just isn’t.
    By definition luck/chance is completely random, and as i said earlier to claim a character is canonically “lucky” is to claim he defies logic, in a fictional universe that is otherwise perfectly in-line with our world.

    If you want to assume Forests luck is a real attribute, you are assuming he has something that regular humans do not, and thus it needs to be proved or stated.

    An assumption is nothing more than an assumption until PROVED or STATED by a writer himself.
    If you claim a character has a supernatural ability (which being “lucky” is.) in a universe perfectly similar to our own, without it being proven or stated, is a claim that should be ignored.

    “Not necessarily. Luck isn’t always good, ”

    Lol what? Then wtf are you arguing about?
    If luck isn’t always good, why are you assuming his luck will be good in the hunger-games?
    You literally just threw your own argument out the window here.

  78. Ragnorke July 19, 2014 at 1:50 pm -      #78

    Oh btw,
    Definition of Lucky: having, bringing, or resulting from good luck.

    GOOD LUCK.
    So yea, Forest is by definition not Lucky, because he has had many instances of bad luck.

    He may have been lucky as certain instances of his life, but he was unlucky in others, JUST like a NORMAL human being.
    He is not “canonically lucky”.

    There? Happy.
    Now lets put this stupid argument to an end.

  79. jackn8r July 19, 2014 at 2:13 pm -      #79

    “Being “lucky” is not a real thing. It just isn’t.
    By definition luck/chance is completely random, and as i said earlier to claim a character is canonically “lucky” is to claim he defies logic, in a fictional universe that is otherwise perfectly in-line with our world.”

    Stop trying to nullify fiction based on real life rules. Luck exists in the movie Forest Gump. Period. Nothing you can say will change that.

    “If you want to assume Forests luck is a real attribute, you are assuming he has something that regular humans do not, and thus it needs to be proved or stated.”

    You’re catching on. He does have something regular humans do not: luck. Examples/proof have been given already.

    “An assumption is nothing more than an assumption until PROVED or STATED by a writer himself.”

    Great. In the movie Forest Gump we see him be lucky many many times. That is proof.

    “If you claim a character has a supernatural ability (which being “lucky” is.) in a universe perfectly similar to our own, without it being proven or stated, is a claim that should be ignored.”

    Luck definition:
    chance considered as a force that causes good or bad things to happen
    Synonym: Destiny, fate
    It’s stated at the end of the movie:
    I don’t know if we each have a
    destiny, or if we’re all just floating
    around accidental-like on a breeze,
    but I, I think maybe it’s both. Maybe
    both is happening at the same time.

    We have clear confirmation that luck exists in Forest Gump, and examples of it being directly attributed to the character. You cannot refute this.

    “Lol what? Then wtf are you arguing about?
    If luck isn’t always good, why are you assuming his luck will be good in the hunger-games?”

    He has MUCH more good luck than bad luck.

    “You literally just threw your own argument out the window here.”

    Read my fucking comments.

    “GOOD LUCK.
    So yea, Forest is by definition not Lucky, because he has had many instances of bad luck.”

    Read my fucking comments. He is both lucky, and unlucky in instances.

    “He may have been lucky as certain instances of his life, but he was unlucky in others, JUST like a NORMAL human being.
    He is not “canonically lucky”.”

    Yes he is. You’re denying evidence. We’ve also established that being lucky is a character trait.
    web.archive.org/web/20080309000232/http://cte.jhu.edu/techacademy/web/2000/kochan/charactertraits.html

    “There? Happy.
    Now lets put this stupid argument to an end.”

    You’re wrong in every assertion you’ve made.
    In summary:
    -Luck plays a role in Forest Gump’s universe as evidenced by both instances of him being lucky and statements made.
    -Forest Gump has incredible amounts of luck as evidenced by the same instances (surviving being shot in the Vietnam War, gaining a shrimping monopoly from a storm, never really had to worry about money, he naturally has superhuman endurance, he was just fine without leg braces he was supposed to have for a long time, he played 5 years of football and earned a college degree from it despite such a low IQ, etc.) Note–none of these are “plot armor” or “plot devices” because none are really integral to the story
    -Luck is a character trait by definition
    -Character traits are retained in What If scenarios
    -Therefore Forest Gump is lucky in the Hunger Games to an extent

  80. Ragnorke July 19, 2014 at 2:20 pm -      #80

    “Stop trying to nullify fiction based on real life rules. Luck exists in the movie Forest Gump. Period. Nothing you can say will change that.”

    It’s a fiction based in the real life world.
    You have yet to prove or find a statement proving luck exists.
    Therefor it does not.

    “You’re catching on. He does have something regular humans do not: luck. Examples/proof have been given already.”

    But he has goodluck and bad luck…
    How is he different thn any other human?

    “Great. In the movie Forest Gump we see him be lucky many many times. That is proof.”

    And we see him unlucky too.
    That counters your “proof”, which wasnt really proof to begin with, it was just examples to support your theory.

    “Luck definition:
    chance considered as a force that causes good or bad things to happen”

    Luck and lucky have different definitions.
    Being “Lucky” is specific to GOOD LUCK.

    “Read my fucking comments. He is both lucky, and unlucky in instances.”

    Which makes him a NORMAL HUMAN BEING.

    “Yes he is. You’re denying evidence. We’ve also established that being lucky is a character trait.”

    How is he canonically lucky, if he has had instances of bad luck too?
    You yourself have stated many times that he has had badluck, that DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS him being “lucky”.

    -He has been lucky at certain moments of his life.
    -He has been unlucky at certain moments of his life.
    Do you know what any rational person would conclude from this? That he’s a fucking normal person.

  81. jackn8r July 19, 2014 at 2:36 pm -      #81

    “It’s a fiction based in the real life world.
    You have yet to prove or find a statement proving luck exists.
    Therefor it does not.”

    Might as well quote myself because you’re denying evidence again.
    I don’t know if we each have a
    destiny, or if we’re all just floating
    around accidental-like on a breeze,
    but I, I think maybe it’s both. Maybe
    both is happening at the same time.
    surviving being shot in the Vietnam War, gaining a shrimping monopoly from a storm, never really had to worry about money, he naturally has superhuman endurance, he was just fine without leg braces he was supposed to have for a long time, he played 5 years of football and earned a college degree from it despite such a low IQ, etc.

    Examples+statements. 2 forms of proof.
    You’re flat out denying that he’s lucky. ANYONE who’s not arguing form disbelief can see that he’s lucky. Even movie reviews talk about it!
    www.imdb.com/reviews/89/8928.html
    www.nytimes.com/packages/html/movies/bestpictures/gump-ar.html
    www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/movies/review97/fforrestgump1.htm

    “But he has goodluck and bad luck…
    How is he different thn any other human?”

    Crazily huge inordinate amounts of good luck. Have you fucking watched the movie?

    “And we see him unlucky too.
    That counters your “proof”, which wasnt really proof to begin with, it was just examples to support your theory.”

    You’re bullshiting. Being lucky in the positive and unlucky in the negative both constitute luck. There is no contradiction.
    “it was just examples to support your theory”
    WHICH YOU FUCKING ASKED FOR.

    “Luck and lucky have different definitions.
    Being “Lucky” is specific to GOOD LUCK”

    You act like this means anything. He’s lucky. He’s also unlucky. He just happens to have much more good luck than bad. There is no fucking contradiction. This is a red herring fallacy. Drop it.

    “How is he canonically lucky, if he has had instances of bad luck too?
    You yourself have stated many times that he has had badluck, that DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS him being “lucky”.”

    He has instances of bad luck, and instances of good luck. Explain to me where the contradiction is. Having an instance of bad luck doesn’t cancel out every singe instance he’s ever had of good luck. You’re making shit up.

    “-He has been lucky at certain moments of his life.
    -He has been unlucky at certain moments of his life.
    Do you know what any rational person would conclude from this? That he’s a fucking normal person.”

    Straw Man fallacy. You’re perfectly aware of the examples of good luck he’s had and that it far outweighs the bad luck.


    Just to play a little Devil’s Advocate here:
    First you say no luck exists in real life.
    Then you say “normal people” have instances of both bad and good luck.
    THAT is a contradiction.

  82. OberHerr July 19, 2014 at 3:23 pm -      #82

    Forrest meets several presidents, is a decorated war hero, got into college for football despite not knowing anything about the sport, manages to save his entire team(besides Bubba, but that was out of his hands) in Vietnam as well as suffer only a minor injury, went on to discovering he was REALLY good at Ping-Pong and played in China, had his fishing boat survive a hurricane to then become the biggest company in the shrimping business, then had a friend who invested the money from that into Apple, which then shot up……all while not really knowing a damn thing about any of those activities.

    Sure, his girlfriend uses him, but he even gets her in the end. Granted she does die, but that is one of the few things I can think of. His luck vastly outshines all of that.

  83. OberHerr July 19, 2014 at 3:30 pm -      #83

    I mean, honestly, the fact that he got as far as he did in life, far more than any of us can hope to while trying….and being as disabled as he is….that’s just pure luck.

  84. Ragnorke July 19, 2014 at 4:13 pm -      #84

    A single instance of bad luck is enough to prove that he is not by definition “always lucky”. And he has more thn one instance.

    Luck was definitely on his side most of the time, but saying that it will ALWAYS be on his side is simply not true.

    It is likely that he will have some lucky instances in the Hunger Games, but saying it as if it’s a fact is not the right way to put it.
    He could very well end up with bad luck, and we know for a fact that he has had bad luck in his life.

    His “chances” of winning the Hunger Games might be a little higher compared to the rest of the tributes, but that does not mean he would win.

    It would at most give him an edge, but without PIS coming into play that slight edge would not instantly make him better than 2 dozen others, some of whom have superior training. And all of whom have more knowledge about the game thn he does.

    This debate is clearly not going anywhere, and it’s a “What if…” scenario after all, so i’m out.
    Cheers.

  85. jackn8r July 19, 2014 at 4:31 pm -      #85

    “A single instance of bad luck is enough to prove that he is not by definition “always lucky”. And he has more thn one instance.”

    No one ever said he was “always lucky.” You’re putting words into people’s mouths.

    “Luck was definitely on his side most of the time, but saying that it will ALWAYS be on his side is simply not true.”

    No one said this.

    “It is likely that he will have some lucky instances in the Hunger Games, but saying it as if it’s a fact is not the right way to put it.”

    No one said this.

    “He could very well end up with bad luck, and we know for a fact that he has had bad luck in his life.”

    He has no more bad luck than your average Joe.

    “His “chances” of winning the Hunger Games might be a little higher compared to the rest of the tributes, but that does not mean he would win.”

    I detailed combat experience, superhuman endurance, and other traits he shares that give him an edge as well. That an extreme good luck give him a lot.

    “It would at most give him an edge, but without PIS coming into play that slight edge would not instantly make him better than 2 dozen others, some of whom have superior training. ”

    The HG is a free for all. It’s not 1 on 20. Bad representation of the scenario. His character isn’t one to go after others without reason that much either. He probably won’t be that aggressive until he has to.

    “This debate is clearly not going anywhere, and it’s a “What if…” scenario after all, so i’m out.
    Cheers.”

    Considering you’ve finally conceded that he has luck, it’s making progress.

  86. Ragnorke July 19, 2014 at 4:34 pm -      #86

    “superhuman endurance”

    He doesn’t have superhuman endurance.

    “I detailed combat experience,”

    Tbh his combat experience isn’t that impressive. He’s a war veteran, and he beat up a few people.
    It’s above average, but not great.

    “Considering you’ve finally conceded that he has luck, it’s making progress.”

    I agreed that he has had more luck thn your average joe, alot more.
    But it’s still just Plot in my eyes, and i’m not really wrong for thinking so.

    Bottom line is that it’s a What If scenario, and What Ifs never really go anywhere.
    I’v given my 2 cents, you’ve given yours. Nothing left to say.

  87. jackn8r July 19, 2014 at 9:42 pm -      #87

    “He doesn’t have superhuman endurance.”

    …..yes he does. There is nobody on Earth who can run across the country back to back like he did.

    “Tbh his combat experience isn’t that impressive. He’s a war veteran, and he beat up a few people.
    It’s above average, but not great.”

    Agreed. Which should put him above like half the tributes already.

    “But it’s still just Plot in my eyes, and i’m not really wrong for thinking so.”

    It can be, but not necessarily. I’ve given many sources of it being listed as a character trait (which it is) and examples of luck being present and not used as a plot device. That same kind of luck will be present with him in the scenario.

    “Bottom line is that it’s a What If scenario, and What Ifs never really go anywhere.”

    Fair point.

  88. the_man_with The_Answers July 21, 2014 at 2:24 am -      #88

    “He’s described as being mediocre in comparison to his fellow Spartans”

    John is consistently described as the best overall SPARTAN-II. What people get hung up on is that he’s not the best in any one category, so in some weird jump of logic, he must be average. He’s likely not the fastest, or the best shot, or the strongest, but rather 2nd or 3rd in categories like that. And in combination, he’s better than the others. As one of the Halo:Reach trailers implies, John is implied to be the only other individual besides NOBLE 6 rated as “Hyper Lethal” by SPARTAN standards.

    But on topic:

    Forrest Gump is like a poly-savant. Practically the only thing he doesn’t excel at is social interaction. However, he doesn’t possess any killer instinct, or will to harm others. His defining advantages are his insane endurance, and his likely ability to earn sponsor support with his clumsy charisma. The only way I could see him winning is by literally avoiding everything by just running away from every dangerous situation, using sponsor help to get out of trickier situations.

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