Elsa Vs Firelord Ozai

Elsa Vs Firelord Ozai

Suggested by Deathmetal3k

The Snow Queen of Disney‘s newest hit fights the Firelord Ozai from Avatar the Last Airbender.

Though Ozai may have agility and fighting experience, Elsa makes up for it raw power. Match is to the death and both are willing to kill.

They fight in the courtyard where Azula and Zuko fought.

Scenario 1: Sozins comet is here.

Scenario 2: No Sozins comet.

Scenario 3: Elsa has the same fighting experience as Korra. (aka just an experience boost.)

Whoever wins two out of three is the overall winner of the match.

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344 Comments on "Elsa Vs Firelord Ozai"

  1. Rookie July 13, 2014 at 7:44 am -      #1

    I’l side with Ozai in scenario 1 and 2, but honestly it could go either way.
    Scenario 3 is unfair, how could we boost character? Especially with powers or experience from other verse. Should we use fan-fiction characters too if we do such thing? IMO I just don’t like scenario 3, but match itself is cool.
    Scenario 3 should take Elsa since she got knowledge.

  2. Hermit July 13, 2014 at 7:52 am -      #2

    I see a horde of Marshmallows (that big snowman) coming Ozai’s way.
    .
    Considering she can keep up a nationwide blizzard, make an ice castle, and make Marshmallow at the same time, I would say she has the endurance to keep it going to a long time.
    .
    But. Ozai’s experience will be a deciding factor here as well.

  3. Rookie July 13, 2014 at 7:57 am -      #3

    @Hermit

    While you are right, Elsa never fought against someone like Ozai. Ozai while being massively weaker than Elsa in terms of “magic”, did fought against other benders and he more or less know what to expect. Elsa troubles against human guards because she doesn’t have fighting knowledge:

  4. the watcher July 13, 2014 at 8:13 am -      #4

    I thought I’d seen the last of that abominable film.
    Ozai’s going to win because his powers are more focused on a small area, and it becomes a stomp with the comet.

    Didn’t the big snowman turn out to be made of not very dense snow, and therefore not very dangerous? As in Hans cut his leg?

    Sorry if anything’s inaccurate, I only know the film from the TvTropes page.

  5. Parry Boy July 13, 2014 at 8:19 am -      #5

    Round 1 and 2 would go to Ozai, IIRC Elsa dealing with two mediocre swordsmen was pretty pathetic and was losing it, even with her nationwide powers.
    Round 3 Elsa would take this in a hard fight, she still has morals, right? And Disney is notorious for making cheesy characters.

  6. Sauroposeidon July 13, 2014 at 8:19 am -      #6

    I’m declaring it.

    R,I.P. BankGambling.

    July 13th, 2014.

    Cause of Death: Having a serious match against a serious character using a Disney Character.

  7. Parry Boy July 13, 2014 at 8:20 am -      #7

    *Sigh* I’m actually almost done lmao

  8. Rookie July 13, 2014 at 8:24 am -      #8

    @Sauroposeidon

    “I’m declaring it.

    R,I.P. BankGambling.

    July 13th, 2014.

    Cause of Death: Having a serious match against a serious character using a Disney Character.”

    We do have even more weird matches:
    BankGambling.com/1097-galactus-vs-kharn-the-betrayer/

    @Parry Boy

    “Round 1 and 2 would go to Ozai, IIRC Elsa dealing with two mediocre swordsmen was pretty pathetic and was losing it, even with her nationwide powers.”

    It looks to me that she just didn’t want to use all her power against them. Also they were probably some elite or something:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=afnhCvicqdI

  9. the watcher July 13, 2014 at 9:19 am -      #9

    Don’t argue for a Disney char. Especially not with that film. There’s still the fact that her snowmen aren’t dangerous. And that Ozai has fire that can melt rock after a few strikes with the comet.

  10. Rookie July 13, 2014 at 9:27 am -      #10

    @the watcher

    “Don’t argue for a Disney char. Especially not with that film.”

    To tell the truth I was never able to watch entire Frozen, I was asleep after 40 or so minutes and heard the rest from my sister and watch some video in various vs threads about Elsa.
    Was it really this bad?

  11. LadyRamkin July 13, 2014 at 9:46 am -      #11

    Scenario 1: Ozai wrecks

    Scenario 2: Ozai wrecks

    Scenario 3: Elsa wrecks

  12. Soulerous July 13, 2014 at 10:07 am -      #12

    Frozen was a good film, not a bad one. Anyone who disagrees is welcome to do so, but will be disagreeing with the vast majority of film critics and common viewers.
    ~
    Elsa definitely loses in scenario 1, almost certainly wins in scenario 3, and I believe scenario 2 could go either way. We’ve seen what Elsa can do in a split-second with a wave of her hand. She can blanket Ozai in thick ice or impale him if he doesn’t overwhelm her quickly.
    ~
    Look at this scene and imagine if she were actually trying to kill like in this match.

  13. Mea quidem sententia July 13, 2014 at 10:17 am -      #13

    I didn’t like Frozen, but that’s not why I think Elsa would lose. She’s impulsive and lacks fighting experience. I don’t know who Fire Lore Ozai is, but my fiancee says he’s a very powerful fire bender. I asked what Sozins comet was, so having knowledge of that, I think Fire Lord Ozai wins 2/3, if not 100% of the battles.

  14. Rookie July 13, 2014 at 10:21 am -      #14

    @Mea quidem sententia

    “I don’t know who Fire Lore Ozai is”

    Here’s his first and mostly only fight (look at 2:52, some lighting attacks):

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3dT8oK7y80

  15. Epicazeroth July 13, 2014 at 10:44 am -      #15

    WTF does Scenario 3 mean? She has experience Bending? Hats almost useless because the actual magic she does is different from Bending.
    ===
    @Rookie: “It looks to me that she just didn’t want to use all her power against them. Also they were probably some elite or something”
    1) Yeah she seemed unwilling to kill them. That said, she did have them completely trapped before Hans shot the chandelier.
    2) I think those were the Duke’s personal guards/assassins, so yeah they’d probably be elite.
    ===
    @watcher: By “not dangerous” do you mean “can shake the forest and lift hundreds of pounds casually”?

  16. Ranger Lowk July 13, 2014 at 10:45 am -      #16

    Don’t know about 1 but 2 and 3 are in favor of Elsa. One of the methods used for weakening firebenders is putting was imprisoning in cooler at freezing temperatures. Elsa can freeze an entire lake and instantly dropped a nation into winter.
    She has at least the reflexes to not be speedblitzed as shown when she stopped an crossbow arrow. That plus all it really take is one hit from one of her blast to weaken him or put him to sleep and that she can make it into an AoE kind helps.

  17. Ragnorke July 13, 2014 at 10:53 am -      #17

    Scenario 3 is the only one where Elsa would stand a chance…
    If CIS is in play, she just isn’t confident or experienced enough to go into a real fight.
    But against someone else with bending powers? Who is prepared to fight others like him? She gets absolutely massacred.

    Scenario 3 gives her the edge she needs imo, it would give her confidence and knowledge.
    Once she “knows” about other benders, and what they are capable of, she would realize how easily she can defeat them.

  18. Epicazeroth July 13, 2014 at 10:59 am -      #18

    Also, didn’t Hans actually strike at a weak point in Marshmallow’s leg and shatter the ice? Not that it matters, cause it’ll still get melted; could distract or tire Ozai though.

    And I could’ve sworn this isn’t the only Disney match. Isn’t there one with Jafar or something?

  19. Xornell July 13, 2014 at 11:01 am -      #19

    I approve of this match. This is an interesting match. +1 to the match suggester for the FP award.

    I’m saying Elsa roflrapes every time the comet isn’t there, and only then because of ozai’s speed. Didn’t see frozen, but I do know Elsa caused it to be winter in an entire kingdom, can accidentally kill people with her powers, and can create a fucking ice castle without even really trying. Also the whole “creating sentient life with magic” thing. She has Disney magic.

  20. Ranger Lowk July 13, 2014 at 11:05 am -      #20

    “If CIS is in play, she just isn’t confident or experienced enough to go up against some regular trained soldier.”

    I don’t think in this match she needs it(At least for 2). She’s willing to kill and her powers when she letting go(heh), would add to weakening Ozai firebending. I think it evens it up a bit.

    Going by the Ending Elsa has gained enough control to keep the area around the snowman cold enough so he doesn’t melt.
    And freezing stuff remotely
    youtu.be/TnXa8mjmKW4?t=1m17s
    like the water in this scene.

  21. Ranger Lowk July 13, 2014 at 11:11 am -      #21

    “Cause of Death: Having a serious match against a serious character using a Disney Character.”

    Well technically we’ve already had that
    upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/70/Ironmanposter.JPG :p

  22. Ragnorke July 13, 2014 at 11:19 am -      #22

    “Cause of Death: Having a serious match against a serious character using a Disney Character.”

    I don’t see anything wrong with this…
    Technically Starwars are all disney characters, and Marvel too i believe.

  23. Murder July 13, 2014 at 1:12 pm -      #23

    I’m going with Elsa. She has ice god powers. If she wanted she could freeze a 100 cubic mile glacier around this guy. She can also OHK him with her “freeze your heart” blast, create sentient snow/ice soldiers or wrap herself in a protective ice fortress. The possibilities are endless.
    _
    The movie frozen was also superior to that airbender crap.

  24. itcheyness July 13, 2014 at 1:20 pm -      #24

    “I’m declaring it.

    R,I.P. BankGambling.

    July 13th, 2014.

    Cause of Death: Having a serious match against a serious character using a Disney Character.”

    If you think this is the day BankGambling dies, you’re going to commit Seppuku after seeing the next couple of matches…

    Tomorrow we have: What If Forest Gump was in the Hunger Games?

    Tuesday we have: Oozaru Gohan Vs Cherno Alpha (Not as bad, but not good enough)

    Wednesday we have: Magic The Gathering vs Wheel of Time

    BankGambling is going to suck for a bit…

  25. Ragnorke July 13, 2014 at 1:28 pm -      #25

    Looking forward to MTG vs Wheel of Time actually.

  26. deathmetal3k July 13, 2014 at 1:29 pm -      #26

    For the record there are no morals on this match. Just straight going for the kill kind of fight.

    Also to clarify the third scenario is just giving Elsa an XP basically. Just that what if she had fighting experience against serious enemies and then fought Ozai.

    @Sauro aww man come on… I thought it was good idea

    @xornell ^_^

  27. OberHerr July 13, 2014 at 1:37 pm -      #27

    I don’t see how anyone can say Ozai does anything but stomp in any scenario. He can just fill the area with fire, melt through all her defenses, and fire freaking lighting at her. She has shown no agility, not ability to dodge, and very limited combat potential honestly. Who cares if she can plunge an area into a blizzard? It won’t matter to someone who spams fireballs that blow apart doors and such. Ozai was considered the best firebender at the time in ATLA, with the possible exception of Iroh, at least combat wise. So just power scale most other firebender feats to him. Its not like he’s in a universe where there are lots of enemies who have more control over water and ice that use those attacks…..oh wait.

    I mean, goodness, there is reason to suggest that benders like him in ATLA are lightning timers. They certainly are partially superhuman at least.

  28. TheSorrow July 13, 2014 at 1:59 pm -      #28

    The movie frozen was also superior to that airbender crap.

    Comparing anything to a M. Night Shyamalan movie isn’t a very high standard, or really a standard at all.

  29. TheSorrow July 13, 2014 at 2:10 pm -      #29

    I mean, goodness, there is reason to suggest that benders like him in ATLA are lightning timers. They certainly are partially superhuman at least.

    This was addressed a few years ago, so most of you probably weren’t around to discuss this, but I’m not convinced that the lightning in ATLA is comparable to real lightning, in terms of speed.

  30. Ragnorke July 13, 2014 at 2:11 pm -      #30

    @Deathmetal
    “For the record there are no morals on this match. Just straight going for the kill kind of fight.”
    This is a buff to Elsa then. But she still lacks experience and a “killers instinct”

    “Also to clarify the third scenario is just giving Elsa an XP basically. Just that what if she had fighting experience against serious enemies and then fought Ozai.”
    She only needs like a day, to look at fire-benders and see how they work… she would stomp once she gets that knowledge.

    “aww man come on… I thought it was good idea”
    It isn’t bad.

    @Ober
    “I don’t see how anyone can say Ozai does anything but stomp in any scenario. He can just fill the area with fire, melt through all her defenses,”
    She “Accidentally” made an entire castle…
    She can make living things from her power….
    With just a tiny amount of prep, and with no morals, she could kill Ozai pretty fast.

    “Who cares if she can plunge an area into a blizzard? It won’t matter to someone who spams fireballs that blow apart doors and such”
    Doesn’t he need a source of fire though? he can’t just make it out of nothing… or that’s what i thought…

  31. OberHerr July 13, 2014 at 2:14 pm -      #31

    Missed that one. Yeah, comparin M. Night Shamallamadingdong’s train wreck of “adaptation” an awesome TV series is nothing. Compare the show to Frozen? Hah, no contest. Though I did think Frozen was ok, I disliked their need to have the “PLOT TWEEST!” villain thing. Not that it was much of a twist, because it was obvious he HAD to be a villain, because the sister had to pick between two seemingly great guys, and God forbid we suggest that someone in movies have to make actual tough decisions…….but I digress.

    @Ragnorke
    EVERYTHING you saw in M. Night Shamallamadingdongs train wreck of a movie….throw that out. He is far more powerful than that movie would suggest.

    And basic fireballs in ATLA are like grenades. They easily blow boulders up. He is far from normal. And like I said, there is reason to suggest he may be a lightning timer, as well as far more agile. Just look at the video above. Plus, we can use powerscaling for him.

    Basic knowledge means he knows she uses ice as her power, so he knows just to fill the area with ice. Boom. She’s done.

  32. TheSorrow July 13, 2014 at 2:19 pm -      #32

    Doesn’t he need a source of fire though? he can’t just make it out of nothing… or that’s what i thought…

    Have you watched Avatar: The Last Airbender?

  33. OberHerr July 13, 2014 at 2:23 pm -      #33

    @TheSorrow
    I’m not sure either honestly. We see some parts where it seems to go fast enough, but I’m not positive either. Hence why I just said its possible. They definitely are superhuman though.

    And who cares if Elsa can make a castle, or do pretty stuff with her magic? She literally can’t do anything to someone like Ozai, who can just melts all of his attacks as they come at him. He’s faster, much more agile, and while his lightning may not be as fast as actual lightning(or it might be), its certainly faster enough to OHKO her in every match.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCXHi0kFucc&feature=kp

    The video above is the place where the match takes place.

  34. Friendlysociopath July 13, 2014 at 2:27 pm -      #34

    Frozen was a pretty good movie- I’m a little biased to hating the music purely because the girl I carpool with to college played ‘Let it Go’ via the radio 3 times there and 3 times back… at maximum volume… with whatever those speakers are that give heavy vibration with the base… every single day…

    Declarations of hate aside, my gut says Elsa wins scenarios 2 and 3. The comet equals doom for the ice queen, this is almost certain.

    The thing to remember is 99% of the movie is Elsa purposefully trying to hold back and control her powers. At the end of the movie it is shown that she has learned the secret to controlling her powers; it’s a sappy secret, true enough, but it’s fair to say she knows how to use her magic. Even with little practice and attempting to hold back, she achieves some remarkable feats.

    She freezes stone and steel/iron to the point of either it breaking or she can break it herself- that’s pretty cold considering she doesn’t look overly strong.

    She creates sentient life with barely a thought, she made one snowman that was slashed with a regular sword, fair enough. If she really wants to kill the guy (and the OP says she does so CIS is almost entirely off) she could possibly create an army of these guys (army is overdoing it, maybe like 10 or 20) to hurl giant chunks of ice or even stone at Ozai.

    Her magic is more or less instant in most cases, just wave the hand and boom, magic happens. Hell, she isn’t actively doing anything to create the mother-blizzard that shows up in the end. I admit to not watching all of Avatar, don’t they have to move certain ways to channel their element or something along those lines?

    At no point in the movie does she appear to be exerting herself in any way beyond concentration, everything else is mostly just flipping of the wrist. Frankly, there’s nothing to prevent her from creating a giant pillar of ice and making it fall on Ozai except Ozai himself blasting it. In scale her powers appear much greater than his.

    Also, the wildcard; her ability to freeze people. Even if Ozai beats her, he has no defense against her ability to magically start freezing his heart. We’ve seen no proof that killing Elsa stops this from happening, although we haven’t seen any proof that it wouldn’t stop it either. I say it wouldn’t stop the magic, her magic seems semi-sentient at times, I would be behind the idea that his heart would still freeze after her death- a Frozen plasma grenade if you will.

  35. Ragnorke July 13, 2014 at 2:32 pm -      #35

    “Have you watched Avatar: The Last Airbender?”

    Just bits and pieces.

  36. OberHerr July 13, 2014 at 2:33 pm -      #36

    @FS
    Whoever dies first loses, doesn’t matter if she kills him later. And all those feats are fine and dandy….but I still am not seeing why he can’t just melt anything. I mean, you say she could just make an army to kill him, or throw a pillar on him….but why can’t he just open up with lightning and kill her right off that bat? Comet or no, that is a instant kill.

  37. Murder July 13, 2014 at 2:34 pm -      #37

    Absolute cold trumps this guys sparkler abilities. Elsa would turn the entire continent into a glacier that touches the clouds. If he could somehow burn him a tiny little bubble he’ll drown or have the flesh boiled from his body by steam. He can’t win just like the Human Torch can’t beat Iceman… and the torch shoots nova blast hotter than stars.

  38. TheSorrow July 13, 2014 at 2:34 pm -      #38

    Before this train of thought goes any further, I think a few of you need to understand that while the concept of certain aspects of CIS are off the table, that doesn’t mean she completely capable of thinking up everything single tactic possible with ice magic.

    You have to have to be reasonable about how they would realistically act, rather than how you think they would act. Freezing their heart, while it’s a attractive idea, without proper evidence to support it, it’s entirely speculative.

  39. TheSorrow July 13, 2014 at 2:35 pm -      #39

    He can’t win just like the Human Torch can’t beat Iceman… and the torch shoots nova blast hotter than stars.

    You really suck at debating, you know that right?

  40. Friendlysociopath July 13, 2014 at 2:37 pm -      #40

    @TheSorrow
    “You have to have to be reasonable about how they would realistically act, rather than how you think they would act. Freezing their heart, while it’s a attractive idea, without proper evidence to support it, it’s entirely speculative.”

    She does this in the movie, on accident, true; but it’s an ability she has.

  41. Murder July 13, 2014 at 2:38 pm -      #41

    She has frozen hearts, like her sisters. How did you miss that?
    _
    And yes, Iceman stomps Torch because cold beats hot. Bearsbeetsbattlestar.

  42. Onibabalon123 July 13, 2014 at 2:41 pm -      #42

    Are we actually doing this, Ozai has the elemental advantage and the experience. He beats in practically all scenarios (scenario 3 included). Scenario 2 is a bloody spite. She might have a chance if she fought someone like Zuko (Who is an extremely powerful Firebender no less). Ojai nearly beat Hang AANG!!! Someone who is on a whole other level. Plus chances are she’ll have a mental breakdown.

  43. Ranger Lowk July 13, 2014 at 2:42 pm -      #43

    “Who cares if she can plunge an area into a blizzard?”

    Boiling Rock prison basically used freezers to weaken firebending.
    ===
    “It won’t matter to someone who spams fireballs that blow apart doors and such.”

    it does in that it makes firebending harder. She got the advantage in that she can make the battlefield negatively effect firebending.
    ===
    “Its not like he’s in a universe where there are lots of enemies who have more control over water and ice that use those attacks…..oh wait.”

    What waterbender save an avatar is capable of creating winter and freezing an large lake and keep it that that way without even needing to stay near it.
    ===
    Ozai biggest method of agility is limted without the comet and further hampered by what Elsa can do. She got crossbow timing reflexes and her ice is shown being faster then said crossbow as well.
    Without the comet all Ozai has is firebending and superior martialarts skill. One can be weakened and the other won’t help unless he can get close when she can aoe spam attack that can debilitate if they touch you.
    ===
    “Freezing their heart, while it’s a attractive idea, without proper evidence to support it, it’s entirely speculative.”

    Freezing heart was apart of the ending. Anna tried to get close Elsa was trying tell her to go away and lashed out. Her magic it elsa in the chest and effected her heart.
    Elsa problem with her ability is that should touch someone even by mistake it can have negative consequences for whoever is hit.Thats quite literally part of the reason for the plot of the movie.

  44. Onibabalon123 July 13, 2014 at 2:42 pm -      #44

    Damn auto correct.

  45. TheSorrow July 13, 2014 at 2:43 pm -      #45

    She does this in the movie, on accident, true; but it’s an ability she has.

    Does that mean she has the experience to do it on purpose? No it does not.

    She has frozen hearts, like her sisters. How did you miss that?

    Crazy that I might not watch kid’s movies regularly.

    And yes, Iceman stomps Torch because cold beats hot.

    Marvel has no bearing on this match, whatsoever.

  46. OberHerr July 13, 2014 at 2:46 pm -      #46

    So how does freezing his heart matter?

    He literally just has to hit her with lightning once and she is dead. Thats it. Even if she can hit him with any of her attacks….why the hell would freezing his heart be a go to move?

    “I have it kill this fast, agile, lightning spewing, living counter to my main element! Oh, I’ll use an attack that takes at least day to kill him! And requires me to hit a very specific part of him!”

    Iceman beats Human Torch, who I’m gonna need none bullshit feats for that Nova BS I might add, because Iceman is theoretically one of the most powerful mutants alive, due to how much he could do with his power. Now, he isn’t yet, but he has the potential to be even more dangerous than Magneto. And he has infinite more potential than Elsa.

    And Murder…..just go troll Spacebattles or something, ok? We don’t need your idiocy here.

    Cold beats hot? Really? That’s your “argument”?

  47. Onibabalon123 July 13, 2014 at 2:47 pm -      #47

    Elsa has the ability to freeze tempered steel with her power. That won’t help her considering Ozai is peak human and probably has better reflexes.

  48. Friendlysociopath July 13, 2014 at 2:48 pm -      #48

    “Does that mean she has the experience to do it on purpose? No it does not.”

    Alright, accepting that as valid logic (which I do not, but I do not wish to appear uncivil) The magic she uses to freeze hearts is *not different in any way* than the magic she uses regularly.

    The first time she does it, she is creating giant piles of snow for her sister to jump on. The only shown difference is that for her to freeze her sister she hits her in the face instead of the ground beneath her. There is no shown difference in the magic at all. Being able to do one thing apparently means she can do them all, she doesn’t do anything different for almost all of her magic. Also, it works on areas other than the heart.

    Also, could I get some evidence for the coldest/biggest thing Ozai has ever destroyed without said meteor?

    Also, so Ozai just opens up with lightning? How does that work? I don’t have a great deal of avatar knowledge, firebenders shoot lightning? Also, is this *real* lightning or Legend of Zelda lightning AKA Very slow moving lightning’?

    Iceman beats Human torch through BS like being able to reform his body from gas.

  49. Ranger Lowk July 13, 2014 at 2:49 pm -      #49

    “Plus chances are she’ll have a mental breakdown.”

    And the the entire area is plunged into winter, everything around her freezes, a blizzard obscures Ozai vision so he no longer can find her. Now he’s left to wonder a frozen wasteland without food until he is to weak to firebend, loses his limbs from frost bite, and ultimately dies from starvation and whatever else being frozen can kill you of.
    Mean while Elsa returned home and the kingdom is fucked once again.

  50. TheSorrow July 13, 2014 at 2:51 pm -      #50

    The magic she uses to freeze hearts is *not different in any way* than the magic she uses regularly.

    So? What makes the prospect of freezing his heart in the middle of a fight, immediately come to mind to her? Has she ever been a real death battle before? She might think of it during the 3rd battle, but there nothing to support that tactic in the 1st or 2nd. It’s just as fallacious as saying that Katara would have done it.

  51. Murder July 13, 2014 at 2:53 pm -      #51

    Disney movies are not “kid” movies. More adults enjoy Disney classics than kids. Only an emo teenager would say something like that. You might as well say you’re too cool for halloween. Now Avatar, that’s a kid’s show.
    _
    “does that mean she has the experience to do it on purpose? No it does no”
    _
    Yes… it does. She can do whatever she wants without even trying. She created life. She threw a massive castle together in seconds. She has complete control over her element. She could freeze the water in his veins. The MS said morals are off… so Elsa stomps the emo out of this kid.

  52. OberHerr July 13, 2014 at 2:54 pm -      #52

    @Lowk
    Firebenders have flown before with the “rocket” fire thing. Like Azula. The comet isn’t required. And no, we don’t know that Firebenders are weakened by the cold. It just sucks in there. Zuko was shown to be quite easily warming himself in that area. PLUS, Firebenders fight in the freaking Arctic all the time. PLUS, Ozai’s Pheonix Lord robes looks pretty comfy. And warm. 😛

    I believe there was several cases of Water bending freezing and unfreezing large sections of area, like around entire ships, the gates of the North Pole water tribe, the city itself, etc.

    And nice, she has crossbow timing. Ozai fires off unblockable(for her) lightning and fire. And hell, I can pull a shield up fast enough to block a crossbow I see coming.

  53. Friendlysociopath July 13, 2014 at 2:54 pm -      #53

    @”She could freeze the water in his veins. The MS said morals are off… so Elsa stomps the emo out of this kid.”

    Morals are off, not knowledge, she’s never done anything of the sort.

    The annoying part is almost everything she does in the movie is on accident, so figuring out what she’ll do is hard.

  54. Murder July 13, 2014 at 2:57 pm -      #54

    She doesnt need to freeze his heart. She could just create an ice castle the size of Rhode Island and drop it on his general location from a mile away. Boom, this punk is dead.

    @friendly, she froze a great lake, she can freeze water in veins.

  55. OberHerr July 13, 2014 at 2:59 pm -      #55

    @Everyone
    Just ignore Murder. I’ve yet to see a debate he’s actually contributed to.

    @Lowk
    Or he just fires off his almost instant hit lightning at the start and kills her immediately? It might not be as fast as normal lightning, but its a least bullet speed.

  56. TheSorrow July 13, 2014 at 3:00 pm -      #56

    Disney movies are not “kid” movies.

    They are the quintessential kid’s movies.

    You might as well say you’re too cool for halloween

    Hardly the point I was making, it has everything to do with what audience it appeals to.

    She can do whatever she wants without even trying. She has complete control over her element.

    That’s a no limits fallacy.

  57. Aelfinn July 13, 2014 at 3:01 pm -      #57

    Waaa I don’t like which fictional characters are used in my fake debates.
    =
    Frozen was an okay movie. I don’t understand how The Watcher can declare that it was terrible when he’s only read the TV Tropes page, but that’s his business.
    =
    Sozin’s Comet makes this a stomp for Ozai. At least, I feel it does. The ability to freeze a nation can’t be ignored, but Ozai can keep up a steady supply of really big, really hot fire.

    Without Sozin’s Comet, I still lean towards Ozai, but definitely not as heavily. He’s incredibly aggressive, which I don’t feel Elsa would handle well, and he had Aang on the run before Aang got his Avatar State back. Sure, that was during Sozin’s Comet, but Aang had command of fire as well during that battle and was still losing.

    Elsa can still be lethal, though, given that she can kill him if she hits him in the head with a magical-ice-blast (as happened to Anna) or an ice-spike, but Ozai is good enough to avoid those and/or blast them with fire.

    With Korra’s experience, it becomes much more difficult, but not unmanageable, for Ozai. Aang was all-around better than Korra, and he gave Ozai little problem. Elsa still has a limited arsenal for man-to-man fights, and Ozai likes to end things quickly.

  58. Onibabalon123 July 13, 2014 at 3:03 pm -      #58

    @ Lowk
    Or he could fly with his powers and pound her with Electrical and Fire attacks until there’s nothing but a skeleton.

  59. Friendlysociopath July 13, 2014 at 3:12 pm -      #59

    “She can do whatever she wants without even trying. She has complete control over her element.”

    Let’s put this in more specific terms of what she can do with her element please:
    1. She can create it in massive quantities
    2. She can manipulate it at will limited only by imagination, perhaps beyond
    3. It costs her no effort to use her magic
    She’s basically a water-bender mechanics-wise.

    “So? What makes the prospect of freezing his heart in the middle of a fight, immediately come to mind to her?”

    What makes anything she can do come to mind for her? I don’t know what she would do first, but she’s going to do *something* isn’t she? OP says she wants to kill, so we’re already in totally uncharted territory for how she would act. Nothing is off the table because there is nothing on the table to judge against.

    We can judge Superman going for the kill vs holding back because we’ve seen him in both cases, we’ve never seen Elsa trying to kill. I’m just suggesting things she could do and she might think of- like freezing organs (she’s done it), creating creatures (she did that), or even shooting small spikes of ice through the earth at him (again, did this).

  60. TheSorrow July 13, 2014 at 3:16 pm -      #60

    Nothing is off the table because there is nothing on the table to judge against.

    Only thing off the table is her aversion to killing. Her abilities don’t get a boost from it, nor does it make her any better in a fight.

  61. Murder July 13, 2014 at 3:18 pm -      #61

    There is no NLF with Elsa… she already did the big feats: Created life, created intelligent life, froze organs, created large scale structures from thought, mastery of the weather, ability to create clothes from ice, able to maintain an ice age without effort, and she ruthlessly murdered her parents out of revenge for grounding her. Yup, it’s in the bag for Elsa. Only emos cant see that…

  62. Onibabalon123 July 13, 2014 at 3:19 pm -      #62

    Ozai is to fast for Elsa to hit Plus she caused the snowstorm by accident. Even if Elsa hit him he would have some time before he dies and can kill her in that period of time.

  63. Onibabalon123 July 13, 2014 at 3:20 pm -      #63

    She never murdered her parents that BS and you know it.

  64. TheSorrow July 13, 2014 at 3:21 pm -      #64

    There is no NLF with Elsa…

    Literally an impossible claim to prove.

    she already did the big feats

    Which are her defined limits.

    Created life, created intelligent life, froze organs, created large scale structures from thought, mastery of the weather, ability to create clothes from ice, able to maintain an ice age without effort

    Absolutely nothing about that tells me she doesn’t have limits.

  65. Friendlysociopath July 13, 2014 at 3:24 pm -      #65

    @TheSorrow, I’m saying we have no idea what she’s going to do now that she’s essentially a different person. the entire movie is literally her saying,

    “I can’t control my power and I don’t want to hurt people with it”.

    At the absolute end of the movie it’s established that she can control her power, now we’re taking away the other half of her character, the not wanting to kill.

    “Only thing off the table is her aversion to killing. Her abilities don’t get a boost from it, nor does it make her any better in a fight.”

    I haven’t improved any of her abilities, this is (regular?) magic that she has and uses. Making her better in a fight is kind of off-kilter, she’s deliberately trying to not kill in the movies, taking off that restraint logically makes her more sure of her attacks.

    Her magic works at times without her actually doing anything, I don’t quite know how to call that one, magic that acts independently before she can think of it?

    Edit: I see what you meant about Murder, he’s not really helping me is he?

  66. deathmetal3k July 13, 2014 at 3:26 pm -      #66

    I normally don’t like getting into matches I suggested but the lightning thing, and saying fire benders fire melts her ice is not entirely true.

    Even Azulas firebending couldn’t get through several ice barriers made by katana and/or Aang. Or you can look at Mako attacking Unalaq and see how his fire just glanced off the ice barriers made by Unalaq. Granted those barriers were thick but Elsa did make a large ice barrier that looked at least a foot thick

    Then for lightning, it does break what barriers are in front of it, but most of the time it doesn’t hamper the one defending unless it actually hits right next to them and knocks them down, or of course hits them.

  67. Onibabalon123 July 13, 2014 at 3:28 pm -      #67

    Ojai has air superiority and the elemental advantage. He has more experience and the better mindset. He is also faster and more reactive .

  68. TheSorrow July 13, 2014 at 3:31 pm -      #68

    I’m saying we have no idea what she’s going to do now that she’s essentially a different person

    Yeah… no it doesn’t. She hasn’t changed into a psychopath just because she can kill someone now.

    now we’re taking away the other half of her character

    That’s a pretty big exaggeration.

    I haven’t improved any of her abilities, this is (regular?) magic that she has and uses.

    What you are saying to me is that she will know how to do it in combat, but absolutely nothing tells me she won’t be terrified to be in a fight to the death, which ordinarily leaves a person paralyzed with fear to having to fend for their lives.

  69. Murder July 13, 2014 at 3:35 pm -      #69

    Elsa is waaaay faster. It took her sister and some dude a week to get to the same place as Elsa(using a reindeer sleigh!Santa?) but Elsa did it in one song. One song and she was on top of Mount Everest! Elsa also has the shrouding cloud ability which obscures LOS, so yea… bearsbeetsbattlestar.
    __
    You’re a freaking idiot swallow.

  70. TheSorrow July 13, 2014 at 3:37 pm -      #70

    Elsa is waaaay faster.

    Yeah, I’m sure that you in no way left out important context-relevant facts to support that position.

    You’re a freaking idiot swallow.

    Hey, don’t get mad at me, just because you can never sway the argument in your favor.

  71. Onibabalon123 July 13, 2014 at 3:38 pm -      #71

    Wait
    are we using this Elsa
    www.bing.com/images/search?q=do+you+wanna+kill+a+planet&qs=AS&sk=&FORM=QBIR&pq=do%20you%20wanna%20kill&sc=8-17&sp=1&qs=AS&sk=#view=detail&id=E5B5D40E2165E13953D4E9DD7EFD74F442D81305&selectedIndex=4

  72. Ranger Lowk July 13, 2014 at 3:39 pm -      #72

    “Firebenders have flown before with the “rocket” fire thing.
    Like Azula. The comet isn’t required. ”

    They’ve used it to boost not flight.
    ===
    “And no, we don’t know that Firebenders are weakened by the cold.”

    Like rest of the new villaineach was put in a prison to counter there bending. The firebending was put in a freezer and it seemed to work enough to keep her from firebending.
    ===
    “PLUS, Firebenders fight in the freaking Arctic all the time.”

    generally wearing warm clothing.
    ===
    “PLUS, Ozai’s Pheonix Lord robes looks pretty comfy.”

    To bad he seems to have a problem keeping it on.
    ===
    “Or he just fires off his almost instant hit lightning at the start and kills her immediately?”

    you mean the thing he seems to take a bit of prep to pull off compared to the barely needing to wave to freeze stuff and whose Ice is fast enough to intercept an arrow.

  73. Friendlysociopath July 13, 2014 at 3:39 pm -      #73

    “What you are saying to me is that she will know how to do it in combat, but absolutely nothing tells me she won’t be terrified to be in a fight to the death, which ordinarily leaves a person paralyzed with fear to having to fend for their lives.”

    I’m kind of relying on ‘willing to kill’ to mean, ready to fight and kill. Otherwise yes, she’s more likely to raise a giant ice wall and run away. Except this Elsa is willing to kill, something the movie Elsa is extremely against doing.

    She has fought *one* fight to the death, and she responds at first with fear then with confidence. She’s confident in her powers, she’s confident in *her* power to use her powers, she can control them to maximum effect, and now she wants to kill. I’m using new ideas because this is a new person.

    “That’s a pretty big exaggeration.”

    Is it? Fair enough, we’re missing 5 minutes of her being a child happy with her powers, the rest of the entire movie is her being terrified of her powers until she discovers she likes using them. She still doesn’t get control until the very end due to ‘love’.

    She uses the ice spikes in combat ‘in the movie’, she creates a giant snow ogre to fight for her ‘in the movie’, she freezes stone and steel to the point of breaking ‘in the movie’. I’m not suggesting she do anything that she hasn’t already shown the capacity to do already.

  74. OberHerr July 13, 2014 at 3:43 pm -      #74

    *grabs popcorn*

    Oh boy, its another episode of TheSorrow deals with a Troll!

  75. OberHerr July 13, 2014 at 3:48 pm -      #75

    @Lowk
    She literally uses it to fly at the end of the Boiling Rock episode. Works just fine.

    And yes, I mean that lightning. I also mean the guy who can just burn the whole area around him while he’s firing off that lightning, so she’s can’t do anything.

    And the examples of cold are not only lesser firebenders, but in scenarios when they can’t just burn the area around them without being hurt.

    And if we wanna bring up her just shooting up a pillar of ice on him, he can just as easily bring up a pillar of fire under her. Would kill much quicker too I might add.

  76. TheSorrow July 13, 2014 at 3:49 pm -      #76

    She has fought *one* fight to the death

    Have the link to that? As great as the world would be that I could take someone’s word on something, it’s not exactly my M.O.

    I’m using new ideas because this is a new person.

    She isn’t a new person, making proficient in how to kill would make her a different person, giving her the ability to do so does not.

    the rest of the entire movie is her being terrified of her powers until she discovers she likes using them.

    Saying that one entire half of her personality is devoted to “not killing” is a pretty big assumption. You can still be kind, but have the ability to kill someone (just look at Goku).

    She uses the ice spikes in combat, she does this in the movie, she creates a giant snow ogre to fight for her in the movie, she freezes stone and steel to the point of breaking in the movie. I’m not suggesting anything she hasn’t shown the capacity to do already.

    Yet one of the things you have been suggesting happened on accident (freezing someone). It’s not an intuitive attack.

  77. Aelfinn July 13, 2014 at 3:51 pm -      #77

    Zuko fire-bent pretty easily despite being submerged in Arctic waters for a few minutes (during the end of Season 1 with the attack on the Northern Water Tribe). Not to mention that he maintained a fire-bending breathing-technique during an Arctic storm while dragging Aang away. Korra could also fire-bend at the Southern Water Tribe, and we know that Firebenders can fire-bend at either Pole. Maybe the freezers at Boiling Rock prison are just an inconsistency? Either that, or they get really cold. Cold enough that they would kill any non-Firebender, maybe? That’s supposition, but my point is that firebenders have encountered low temperatures before and still fire-bent.

  78. Friendlysociopath July 13, 2014 at 3:58 pm -      #78

    Uh links, right, let’s try that-

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDoQwxp7_Ls
    If anything, I just wish she had a normal frikking dress on so she doesn’t trip over it while moving, although mobile combat doesn’t seem to be her thing anyways.

    “Yet one of the things you have been suggesting happened on accident (freezing someone). It’s not an intuitive attack.”

    It’s not an attack at all, it’s a side effect of her magic- hitting people appears to cause the ice to form inside of them. The problem we face is she isn’t an anime character who calls out what attacks she’s using- her organ freezing magic isn’t any different than the beams she shoots out to form snow, the only literal difference between the two is that she zaps her sister instead of the ground. It’s just the way her magic works apparently, having ice form around organs is bad for you- go figure (Everyone needs some dry humor every now and again)

    “Oh boy, its another episode of TheSorrow deals with a Troll!”

    Aw :( I hope you don’t mean me, I’ve only been around for a couple of weeks.

    On another note, does anyone know off-hand how cold you have to freeze stone and steel to break it?

  79. Onibabalon123 July 13, 2014 at 4:08 pm -      #79

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=dvAUvRU5QV0

    Watch it or I’ll summon L-W.

  80. Epicazeroth July 13, 2014 at 4:11 pm -      #80

    @Sorrow: “Have the link to that?”
    Rookie posted it in post #8.

    “Yet one of the things you have been suggesting happened on accident (freezing someone). It’s not an intuitive attack.”
    1) But you have to look at how it happened. Literally all it takes is releasing magic. It’s not different in any way.
    2) What’s more intuitive to someone called “The Ice Queen” than releasing a blast of Ice Magic? The only difference between freezing body parts and making constructs is that one happens when the magic hits the ground; the other happens when the magic hits a person.
    ===
    @Friendly: “I’m using new ideas because this is a new person.”
    Not really. It’s what she does when confronted by the guards. That’s pretty clearly “willing to kill”.
    ===
    @Aelfinn: “Not to mention that he maintained a fire-bending breathing-technique during an Arctic storm while dragging Aang away. Korra could also fire-bend at the Southern Water Tribe, and we know that Firebenders can fire-bend at either Pole.”
    1) Yes he did. This technique is specifically designed to let him Firebend in extreme cold. It’s based off Iroh’s “Dragon of the West” technique – something clearly unique that we have no reason to assume Ozai knows how to do.
    2) Not a valid example; Korra is the Avatar. And she’s a member of the Southern Water Tribe, who lives at the South Pole, so she knows how to deal with the cold.
    3) They can indeed bend at either Pole. But, most of those times, there wasn’t an active storm. And, they were all wearing tons of clothing. Actually, Avatar human don’t wear that much clothing in the Poles, so they’re almost certainly not as cold as Earth’s. However, they were still either wearing heavy-duty cold-weather gear, or insulated battle armor. Or inside a tank.

    Point is, there’s no reason to think that Ozai has any way to fight at even close to normal ability in a blizzard. His robe is clearly not built to insulate him.

    Plus, when we most recently saw him, I’m pretty sure he was shirtless, so… xD

  81. Friendlysociopath July 13, 2014 at 4:14 pm -      #81

    Here’s Elsa freezing her sister’s head

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYsg3rtT79o

    No real difference in the magic that I can see, unless falling down is an integral part of magic now.

    Freezing her heart appears a little different

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=efGm8gIaJnM

  82. Onibabalon123 July 13, 2014 at 4:16 pm -      #82

    WATCH THE VIDOE I POSTED OR I’LL THE DAEMON
    ABOMINATION KNOWN AS L-W THE DESTROYER OF WORLDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  83. Ranger Lowk July 13, 2014 at 4:30 pm -      #83

    “Yet one of the things you have been suggesting happened on accident (freezing someone). It’s not an intuitive attack.”

    By reflex actually. She didn’t mean to hurt anybody but it was the equvalent to lashing out. Which considering what she would be face would differently would call for it more then her sister would.
    ===
    “Maybe the freezers at Boiling Rock prison are just an inconsistency? Either that, or they get really cold.”

    They used it again as a means of holding a master firebender in Legend of Korra as well. And I think it might be that they are really cold.
    And I don’t think it the cold vs firebending I think it’s more how it effects the bender that fucks with the firebending. Cold can negatively effect how people preform for just about anything.
    ===
    “Watch it or I’ll summon L-W.”

    ……
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M&feature=kp
    Yeah you do that.
    ===
    “She literally uses it to fly at the end of the Boiling Rock episode. Works just fine.”

    Have any of the other master firebender shown this because using Azula as an example is not particular good evidence that anyone can without the meteor. She freakin Azula!
    ===
    “Aw :( I hope you don’t mean me, I’ve only been around for a couple of weeks.”

    Think he’s talking about Murder.
    ===
    “And yes, I mean that lightning. I also mean the guy who can just burn the whole area around him while he’s firing off that lightning, so she’s can’t do anything.”

    With the meteor. Even using other master firebenders feat without the meteor. Elsa’s power and scale>Firebenders power and scale.

  84. Onibabalon123 July 13, 2014 at 4:34 pm -      #84

    I’m gonna do it…………

  85. L-w July 13, 2014 at 4:36 pm -      #85

    I’m back and I’ve brought the ban hammer.

  86. the watcher July 13, 2014 at 4:39 pm -      #86

    I watched. How do you propose on summoning him anyway?

  87. Ranger Lowk July 13, 2014 at 4:44 pm -      #87

    “Plus, when we most recently saw him, I’m pretty sure he was shirtless, so… xD”

    It’s either that or powerless which I’m pretty sure isn’t what the match intended.

    “I’m gonna do it…………”

    Oh no he’s got an L-W! Hit the deck!
    Seriously though I’m not watching a video I’ve already seen several times already. I’m trying to preserve the funny in my memory.

  88. L-w July 13, 2014 at 4:44 pm -      #88

    I shall,spill my blood on a picture of a star destroyer and force it down the throat of a halo fanboy. I then wait until L-W Devours the man’s soul and enters the man’s body.

  89. OberHerr July 13, 2014 at 4:48 pm -      #89

    @Lowk
    Azula is significantly lower in power than her Father. She was barely better than Zuko. Iroh easily handled her, and he wasn’t even sure he could beat Ozai. And a great example of Ozai coating an area with fire is the throne room. The fire lining the room is clearly controlled by the current Firelord, as shown by when they get mad, the flames get bigger, and when Azula is Firelord the flames are blue. He literally just has to do that. And we can take almost any fire bending feat from ATLA, with the exception of Avatar and people like Sozin’s feats, and apply it to Ozai.

    @Epic
    The only point from you I’m really gonna counter is the idea that Ozai can’t use the “Firebreath” technique. He can. I know he uses it at least once or twice in the final battle with Aang, one time to show his power. And no, the comet does not allow him to use abilities he couldn’t use before. It just applies them.

    And seriously, why is the cold an issue? He just has to burn the arena up. The blizzard wasn’t that strong, and its not like he has to keep much heated up.

  90. OberHerr July 13, 2014 at 4:55 pm -      #90

    And yes, I was talking about Murder.

  91. Ranger Lowk July 13, 2014 at 4:58 pm -      #91

    Forgot one.
    “but Aang had command of fire as well during that battle and was still losing.”

    But Elsa reaction is more akin to avatar state Aang. Unlike Aang Elsa fear, fustration, or anger almost doomed a nation and almost killed someone.

  92. Ranger Lowk July 13, 2014 at 5:08 pm -      #92

    “And seriously, why is the cold an issue? He just has to burn the arena up. The blizzard wasn’t that strong, and its not like he has to keep much heated up.”

    It was cold enough to turn the ships brittle and keep a lake frozen. More importantly the ice was strong enough to root ships in place.
    And she can just keep up the blast of ice like he can fire. However Elsa is capable of multitasking and is capable of making a guardian to help protect her.

  93. Parry Boy July 13, 2014 at 5:18 pm -      #93

    This actually being debated?
    *ahem*
    @Lowk
    However, the former was made by emotion, which makes it Hulk-like, and CIS is on, and she would be holding back.

  94. Jake_Uzumaki July 13, 2014 at 5:33 pm -      #94

    @Parry Boy
    any CIS that would prevent victory is turned off, much like Aangs desire to not take a life for example, in FP matches.

  95. Ranger Lowk July 13, 2014 at 5:40 pm -      #95

    I’m kind of surprised Disney taking so lightly by people who should realize how fucked up disney movies are. Superpower, nigh omnipotent genies, and misc magical weirdness aside. In Mulan a guy went about killing shit across china, there are several attempted murders in several of their series, Jarfar, and Simba’s daughter is also quite possibly his niece and his son in law is his cousin.
    ===
    “This actually being debated?”

    Partly because I think she could at least take 2. And quite possibly 3. And I hate perceived stomps, so since I know about both I figured I could actually make this match awardable.
    ===
    “However, the former was made by emotion, which makes it Hulk-like, and CIS is on, and she would be holding back.”

    She only held back because she was trying NOT to kill anyone. But by both the rules and the scenario saying they are going for the kill she wouldn’t have that problem.
    Regardless even defending herself or lashing out can be a problem that can be lethal.

  96. Ragnorke July 13, 2014 at 5:52 pm -      #96

    So… am i the only one who was watching the World Cup?
    I iz sad :c

    “so since I know about both I figured I could actually make this match awardable.”
    I’v actually talked to Admin about this, a match is only awarded if there’s a clear winner for all scenarios.
    Elsa isn’t likely to win all…

  97. Tyran July 13, 2014 at 7:57 pm -      #97

    Elsa far overpowers Ozai even considering the comet, but she has no idea how to fight.

    Scenario one should be an Ozai win, but scenario 3 is a clear Elsa stomp, and scenario 2 can go either way.

  98. mack006 July 13, 2014 at 8:33 pm -      #98

    Wow, 5 months ago I recommended the idea of Elsa vs Jadis the white witch. Instead of Jadis we have the firelord!!!!

    Oh and Ozai wins for the first 2 scenarios, Elsa wins in the last one.

  99. Commander Cross July 13, 2014 at 8:51 pm -      #99

    When will the fight with Jadis happen on either one’s table then?
    Also if either had to fight her, does Jadis have the Unspeakable Word(if that’s what it’s called) to draw on?

  100. Mr. happy July 13, 2014 at 10:36 pm -      #100

    ‘When will the fight with Jadis happen on either one’s table then?
    Also if either had to fight her, does Jadis have the Unspeakable Word(if that’s what it’s called) to draw on?’

    The unspeakable word can only be used where she came from. One needs to do a lot of searching in order to get it. That and different realms have different iterations of it. Like when she came to earth, magic was useless, but she had her superhuman strength.

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