Godzilla Vs Hirudegarn

Godzilla Vs Hirudegarn

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Godzilla is in Satan City destroying most of it when, Koi decides to release Hirudegarn (Dragon Ball Z).

Hirudegarn is in his second form and Godzilla is in an incarnation of comparable power.

Can Godzilla show why he is the King of the Monsters, or will the beast that gave Super Saiyan 3 Goku lots of trouble?

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105 Comments on "Godzilla Vs Hirudegarn"

  1. Mike July 11, 2014 at 8:08 am -      #1

    well, a regular, non supersaiyan trunks cut off it’s tail with his sword if that means anything.

    just watched a youtube video of it’s fight, and apparently “intense emotions drain it’s energy”

    it’s teleporting thing though could give godzilla some trouble.

    my initial lean is towards the king of monsters, because i know that “infinite energy”, black hole tanking, asteroid tanking, and uber orbital aim distances usually gets you the win. not sure what “an incarnation of comparable power” is supposed to mean though.

  2. Sauroposeidon July 11, 2014 at 8:52 am -      #2

    I love Hildegarn.. but his movie doesn’t really give him much in the way of usable feats. You’d think a monster than can one punch a fused super saiyan 3 would be able to do more than set buildings on fire.

    Since we’re using whichever Godzilla is physically closest to him, this is really more of a question of which one has the superior fighting technique, isn’t it?

  3. Tails111 July 11, 2014 at 10:17 am -      #3

    @Mike

    That means whichever version of Godzilla is the closest to Hirudegarn power-wise, to make it a fair fight.

  4. Rookie July 11, 2014 at 10:19 am -      #4

    @Sauroposeidon

    “this is really more of a question of which one has the superior fighting technique, isn’t it?”

    Dunno about this, but “Marvel” Godzilla stalemated Thor:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11114/111144184/3819914-5333204082-16833.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11114/111144184/3819926-0620644487-26119.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111128182/3819874-godzilla+23-28.jpg

    Also there is a Godzilla in manga who fighted against Spacegodzilla. And Spacegodzilla wiped the life from other planet prior to that.

  5. Tails111 July 11, 2014 at 10:22 am -      #5

    @Rookie

    So would those Godzillas be the closest to Hirudegarn?

  6. Rookie July 11, 2014 at 10:29 am -      #6

    @Tails111

    “So would those Godzillas be the closest to Hirudegarn?”

    The one who fought against Avengers IMO.
    Mangas Godzilla have way better visual feats (impaled SpaceG with his own crystal and survived Destoroyah’s moon cutting laser horn).
    But 1) They are not translated. 2) It’s hard to find these scans. 3) The fact that G stalemated Thor put him above anything from mangas honestly.

  7. Envoy July 11, 2014 at 12:03 pm -      #7

    “well, a regular, non supersaiyan trunks cut off it’s tail with his sword if that means anything.”
    +
    IRC the sword was made to kill him or something.

  8. Sauroposeidon July 11, 2014 at 2:13 pm -      #8

    GvsMegaguirus Goji might be a good choice.

  9. Rookie July 11, 2014 at 3:19 pm -      #9

    @Sauroposeidon

    “GvsMegaguirus Goji might be a good choice.”

    This is Godzilla who survived black hole?

  10. Parry Boy July 11, 2014 at 4:32 pm -      #10

    Nah it shouldn’t
    Also, Godzilla.

  11. Sauroposeidon July 11, 2014 at 5:09 pm -      #11

    “This Godzilla survived black hole?”

    I forgot about that…

  12. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 11, 2014 at 5:36 pm -      #12

    So, are all Godzilla comics(from Marvel, Dark Horse, and IDW) the same Godzilla as the ones in the movies(excluding the Legendary Godzilla things)? Or is Comic Godzilla(which would probably make each comic version a different Godzilla as well)different from the movie Godzilla?

  13. Parry Boy July 11, 2014 at 6:39 pm -      #13

    No, there many, many versions, one would be the dumbed down US Version and the over hyped Japanese version.

  14. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 11, 2014 at 7:24 pm -      #14

    @PB Crap, I was hoping they were all the same. O well, makes more sense if they’re all different versions.
    =
    Badass picture of Big G though.

  15. cuccolover July 11, 2014 at 8:56 pm -      #15

    Godzilla, a kiju (don’t know if i spelt it right.) vs a being that can make him self smoke, gave goku, gotenks, vegeta, gohan, trunks, the guy who gave trunks his sword, and was a god to a race of insane religious alien things that he killed (no joke), he is extremely fast (not sure how fast exactly), and only killable (without the PIS of the movie. lets face it, goku won that fight due to PIS which contradicted the statement that Hirudengarn can only be harmed by the sword given to trunks. basically Ganondof but much more PIS in the CD-I games than anything.) but my knowledge of Godzilla is pretty up there (big Godzilla fan) but the one i think would be a match is the Godzillas revenge Godzilla. mostly because of the weak ass everything and the fact that Godzilla looks like the freaking cookie monster.

  16. Sauroposeidon July 11, 2014 at 9:09 pm -      #16

    Goku defeated Hildegarn because it was put in a weakened state, and emotions also make it vulnerable.. although I don’t recall which emotions.

    Godzilla never actually appears in Godzilla’s Revenge. No Kaiju do. Everything we see is part of a little boy’s dreams.

  17. cuccolover July 11, 2014 at 9:14 pm -      #17

    i know. just wanted to bring the cheesy facepalming movie. in seriousness, the son of godzilla would be still as good of a choice as it is not a dream. about hirudengon, i did not know that. the emotions of peace and harmony (i think) anger and enragement is just that for him.
    he was created, or formed to be the oppeset so it weakens him.

  18. Ninja Xtreme July 12, 2014 at 10:03 am -      #18

    Well, any incarnation is good.

  19. Aelfinn July 12, 2014 at 12:23 pm -      #19

    I can’t help but feel that Hirudegarn, if he fought SSJ3 Goku, would be much faster than Godzilla, regardless of incarnation.

  20. Rookie July 12, 2014 at 12:41 pm -      #20

    @Aelfinn

    “I can’t help but feel that Hirudegarn, if he fought SSJ3 Goku, would be much faster than Godzilla, regardless of incarnation.”

    One of the Godzillas was able to fight against Avengers and other heroes (including Hercules and so on) and he wasn’t outspeed or anything. So I think that some of godzilla versions should have enough speed to keep up with Hirudegarn IMO.

  21. Aelfinn July 12, 2014 at 1:07 pm -      #21

    “One of the Godzillas was able to fight against Avengers”

    The Avengers can be very inconsistent at times with their speeds, (but the same can be said about DBZ characters, I suppose). So it doesn’t necessarily mean that Thor was trying to blitz him or anything.

  22. Ragnorke July 12, 2014 at 1:24 pm -      #22

    “One of the Godzillas was able to fight against Avengers and other heroes (including Hercules and so on) and he wasn’t outspeed or anything.”

    It was PIS….
    Unless you think Godzilla can tank planetbusters

  23. Sauroposeidon July 12, 2014 at 1:53 pm -      #23

    at least two movies after that comic have him or a part of him survivng a black hole. Those end entire star systems.

    Another claims the release of his power will destroy the earth.

    Others depict him defeating opponents who turn planets like earth in to planets like venus

    But it should be noted, his marvel romp was his first power jump. He’d never done anything quite like that before. It became more routine for random, rare events of incredible power to be shown after the comics, starting with the heisei movies and then the millenium ones.

    It could be argued that. It was pis then, but it’s become more the norm now.

  24. Rookie July 12, 2014 at 1:56 pm -      #24

    @Ragnorke

    “It was PIS….”

    This was PIS:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/130393/3017761-7013117380-super.jpg
    Or the batman against Spectre.
    Or when Darkseid lost to street thugs.
    Or when Thanos was arrested by police.
    But if we have G who went and fight against entire cast of Avengers and other heroes and end battle in stalemate then I don’t think that we can say that it was PIS. He is Marvel Godzilla for the reason after all. Comics are overpowered after all.

  25. Ragnorke July 12, 2014 at 3:30 pm -      #25

    @Rookie & Sauro
    “It could be argued that. It was pis then, but it’s become more the norm now.”

    The feats you pointed out would easily make him a “casual” planet-buster…
    Which would make 99% of his other showings PIS, unless he has a reason to hold back? And lets be honest… he doesn’t have a reason to be holding back most of the time.

    Thor holds back because he doesn’t want to destroy earth, but why didn’t he start flying FTL against Godzilla?
    PIS was involved, there’s no denying it.

    “Or the batman against Spectre.
    Or when Darkseid lost to street thugs.
    Or when Thanos was arrested by police.”

    The reason these are all PIS, is because they go against all the other showings of the characters, correct?
    The exact same applies to Godzilla.

  26. Rookie July 12, 2014 at 3:39 pm -      #26

    @Ragnorke

    “The reason these are all PIS, is because they go against all the other showings of the characters, correct?
    The exact same applies to Godzilla.”

    Marvel Godzilla had only one major battle AFAIK. And it was against Avengers.

  27. Ragnorke July 12, 2014 at 3:51 pm -      #27

    “Marvel Godzilla had only one major battle AFAIK. And it was against Avengers.”

    And during this battle Thor didn’t go anywhere near all out… because of PIS….
    That’s all i’m saying. Godzilla wouldn’t have stood a chance against the Avengers without PIS on his side.

  28. Sauroposeidon July 12, 2014 at 4:07 pm -      #28

    “And during this battle Thor didn’t go anywhere near all out… because of PIS….
    That’s all i’m saying. Godzilla wouldn’t have stood a chance against the Avengers without PIS on his side.”

    Godzilla defeated several other marvel heroes before fighting Thor, and later on handled the avengers, and the fantastic four, and a helicarrier with out issue. It wasn’t PiS for Marvel Godzilla to match Thor. If you had read the comic you’d realize this.

    Thor out right states that he isn’t really a match for Godzilla. You can call it PiS all you want. It’s still canon that Godzilla is of equal physical strength to Thor. It’s still canon that he defeated several marvel heroes. It’s still canon that the Avengers couldn’t defeat him.

    Even if it was Godzilla’s ONLY Marvel appearance to show up and whoop the Avengers, it still wouldn’t be PiS. You don’t just get to decide when it’s PiS. The winning character must be defined as being much weaker than the losing character for this to happen, which never happens in the comic.

    Your argument seems to be more based on “Before the comic, Godzilla wasn’t that strong in the movies. Now the comic comes along and he’s stronger in the comic. It’s PiS.”

    Which would make Godzilla tanking black holes later PiS by your logic.. but for the same reason that they are not PiS, neither is Godzilla’s victory over the Avengers.

  29. Sauroposeidon July 12, 2014 at 4:18 pm -      #29

    “The feats you pointed out would easily make him a “casual” planet-buster…
    Which would make 99% of his other showings PIS, unless he has a reason to hold back? And lets be honest… he doesn’t have a reason to be holding back most of the time.”

    Except neither Thor nor Godzilla are “Casual” planet busters. Both must exert some force to achieve their greatest feats. In Godzilla’s case, he’s the ultimate tank. In Thor’s case, he’s the ultimate unstoppable force. The Marvel Godzilla is also NOT the Heisei Godzilla. Much like comic books, kaiju movies often are all over the place in the physics department.

    “The reason these are all PIS, is because they go against all the other showings of the characters, correct?
    The exact same applies to Godzilla.”

    Godzilla, both in the movies and in the comic, had never really been physically matched. He had always been capable of physically over powering every single one of his opponents if he got his hands on them.

    He did it to Anguiras.

    He did it to Ebirah.

    He did it to King Ghidorah.

    He did it to Mechagodzilla.

    No one was ever able to physically match him.

    Then comes the comics, and not a single monster in the entire run of the comics was physically a match for him. No hero he meets is ever as strong as him.

    Most opponents, once he’s able to focus on them, he instantly kills with a single attack. Or simply defeats.

    The only time he’s ever physically met and equaled is Thor. Both in the movies and in the comics.

    Of course, this changes with the reboot of the Godzilla franchise and the new history for him. But when I think about it.. his match against Thor really wasn’t PiS.

  30. Rookie July 12, 2014 at 4:24 pm -      #30

    @Sauroposeidon

    “No one was ever able to physically match him.”

    I might be wrong cause I don’t remember well, but didn’t Biollante’s second form have a legitimate win against Godzilla?

  31. Ragnorke July 12, 2014 at 4:31 pm -      #31

    “Godzilla defeated several other marvel heroes before fighting Thor, and later on handled the avengers, and the fantastic four, and a helicarrier with out issue. It wasn’t PiS for Marvel Godzilla to match Thor. If you had read the comic you’d realize this.”

    Literally all the other “founding” Avengers are peanuts compared to an all out Thor… it’s not even funny how weak they are compared to him.

    “It’s still canon that he defeated several marvel heroes. It’s still canon that the Avengers couldn’t defeat him.”

    It’s canon that batman beat the spectre and darkseid… what’s your point?

    “Your argument seems to be more based on “Before the comic, Godzilla wasn’t that strong in the movies. Now the comic comes along and he’s stronger in the comic. It’s PiS.””

    No, my argument is that Thor wasnt going anywhere near all out, due to PIS.
    Therefor the fight was PIS.
    Making Godzillas durability feat PIS.

    “Except neither Thor nor Godzilla are “Casual” planet busters. ”

    Thor busts planets around him without even touching them, during some of his fights…
    He is undoubtedly a casual planet-buster.

    “Godzilla, both in the movies and in the comic, had never really been physically matched. He had always been capable of physically over powering every single one of his opponents if he got his hands on them.”

    He beat Thor because Thor wasn’t going all out, which is Plot-induced-stupidity.
    It’s the same as when Hulk has beaten Thor, or when Wonderman fought Thor.

    “He did it to Anguiras.
    He did it to Ebirah.
    He did it to King Ghidorah.
    He did it to Mechagodzilla.
    No one was ever able to physically match him.”

    None of them were anywhere near Thor… not even close. What are their most powerful destructive feats?
    Moot point is moot.

    “Then comes the comics, and not a single monster in the entire run of the comics was physically a match for him. No hero he meets is ever as strong as him.”

    Because he didn’t meet any of marvels “bricks” other thn Thor, and him beating Thor can be called PIS, because Thor wasn’t going all out.

    “Most opponents, once he’s able to focus on them, he instantly kills with a single attack. Or simply defeats.”

    Because most of his opponents are barely city-busting… barely

    “The only time he’s ever physically met and equaled is Thor. Both in the movies and in the comics.”

    Wanna compare their destructive feats? lol…
    You can’t say he’s equaled to Thor, their feats show otherwise.
    They had 1 fight, and it was PIS.

  32. Ranger Lowk July 12, 2014 at 4:39 pm -      #32

    lol Thor and Godzilla stalemate and it takes a bit for the building to crack. The hell are buildings made of in Marvel?
    Anyway found some more of the fight if anyones interested
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SuzAFTeZog

    I’m guessing this must’ve been before all the hax stuff started showing otherwise Reed alone should had at least one way for a bfr. It’s also mentioned that they seems to unwilling to go for the kill for some reason.
    And how heavy is godzilla normally? Shouldn’t Thor have been able to just Lift him and move him somewhere else?

  33. Rookie July 12, 2014 at 4:40 pm -      #33

    @Ragnorke

    “What are their most powerful destructive feats?”

    SpaceG turned planet into crystals:
    img.batoto.net/comics/2013/03/08/g/read513950b1b7ee0/img000006.png
    img.batoto.net/comics/2013/03/08/g/read513950b1b7ee0/img000007.png
    Crashland at FTL speed with no damage and one-shotted moguera during this (prior to this moguera destroyed mechagodzilla with a single hit):
    img.batoto.net/comics/2013/05/10/g/read518c6bbde6ee0/img000004.png
    img.batoto.net/comics/2013/05/10/g/read518c6bbde6ee0/img000011.png
    Nothing really imressive but this is all I found so far.

  34. Ragnorke July 12, 2014 at 4:48 pm -      #34

    “lol Thor and Godzilla stalemate and it takes a bit for the building to crack. The hell are buildings made of in Marvel?”

    Thor was holding back. Caus PIS.

    “And how heavy is godzilla normally? Shouldn’t Thor have been able to just Lift him and move him somewhere else?”

    As long as Godzilla has a “logical” weight (meaning a weight that stops him from breaking the ground beneath him), Thor should be able to lift him.

    “Crashland at FTL speed with no damage and one-shotted moguera during this (prior to this moguera destroyed mechagodzilla with a single hit):”

    Thor crashlands at 200,000 times FTL (low-end estimate) in his fight against Sentry, and takes little damage from it.
    See the difference?

    “SpaceG turned planet into crystals:”

    No where near as impressive as breaking planets without touching them…
    They are NOT in the same league, regardless of the Godzilla incarnation used.

    The only reason they stalemated was PIS… -.-

  35. Sauroposeidon July 12, 2014 at 5:15 pm -      #35

    “I might be wrong cause I don’t remember well, but didn’t Biollante’s second form have a legitimate win against Godzilla?”

    In 1989.

    Marvel Godzilla took place during the 1970’s.

    Also, Biollante is Godzilla. It’s also the first movie where they discuss that Godzilla is unkillable, therefore, anything made with his dna is unkillable. They go on to prove this with Biollante.

    No one seems concerned about what to do when Space Godzilla regenerates though. Oops. Plot hole.

    “Thor was holding back. Caus PIS.”

    Godzilla smashes buildings too. THe empire state building is just really tough apparently. Thor out right says he isn’t holding back. Although it amuses me to see you get so butt hurt over this.

    “I’m guessing this must’ve been before all the hax stuff started showing otherwise Reed alone should had at least one way for a bfr. ”

    Reed did bfr Godzilla in to another reality.

    Godzilla came back.

    The tried to shrink Godzilla.

    He grew back to original size.

    “No, my argument is that Thor wasnt going anywhere near all out, due to PIS.
    Therefor the fight was PIS.
    Making Godzillas durability feat PIS.”

    All I read was “Waaah, I’m butt hurt. PiS! PiS!”

    “None of them were anywhere near Thor… not even close. What are their most powerful destructive feats?
    Moot point is moot.”

    Your stupidity is fucking remarkable, I really must say. I didn’t say they’re equal to Thor. I said they weren’t physically stronger than Godzilla.

    My point was, we never actually knew what Godzilla’s physical upper limit was before his fight with Thor, in any form of media that he’d ever been presented in.

    Thor was literally the first time in Godzilla’s history that he was physically stalemated. Every other time he was defeated, it was through some trick. No one was ever a physical match for him. Ever.

    “Wanna compare their destructive feats? lol…
    You can’t say he’s equaled to Thor, their feats show otherwise.
    They had 1 fight, and it was PIS.”

    They had one fight. It’s the only time we see Godzilla fight anyone as strong as Thor. It’s the only time we see Godzilla physically matched in the comics. It’s not PiS. I don’t know how else to explain this to you.

    Godzilla doesn’t go around planet busting. He sleeps in the ocean. Walks ashore, smashes some buildings, sets the place on fire, and then goes back in the ocean to sleep. That’s his schtick. It’s not our fault you don’t like it. It’s not our fault that unless he goes on adventures through space fighting galactic threats when his only concern is his home that you won’t be convinced.

    Ultimately, I don’t even care if I convince you. I don’t think you’ve even read the comic. If you did you’d be familiar with the repeated narration and quotes about how characters like hercules and thor have to use everything they have as far as strength is concerned to even make him budge.

    You’d be familiar with how the fantastic four had tried repeatedly to deal with him. With how shield’s only useful weapon was a gas bomb because they couldn’t injure him, only piss him off. With how iceman was utterly and completely useless, and so was the human torch.

    It’s like you want to throw out the handful of good feats because you just want to shit on Godzilla, frankly. These ARE things he’s done. He HAS tanked black holes. He was given infinite energy. He IS immortal and unkillable. He DID physically match Thor. AAAAND the Avengers, Fantastic Four, and SHIELD were all humiliated by him AT THE SAME TIME.

    He’s the king of the monsters, baby, and Thor found that out the hard way.

    Probably, so will Hildegarn.

  36. Ranger Lowk July 12, 2014 at 5:28 pm -      #36

    “Reed did bfr Godzilla in to another reality.

    Godzilla came back.

    The tried to shrink Godzilla.

    He grew back to original size.”

    Found the part where the shrink effect time limit was reached and grew back. How the hell did he get back from another reality?
    ===
    EDIT Marvel’s Godzilla apparently got hella nerfed
    4.bp.blogspot.com/-58r8mjehNSs/U2zdYPsO-AI/AAAAAAAAzx0/1XsixsYGgOY/s1600/Uncanny+X-Men+507_Godzilla_vs_Angel.jpg

  37. Ragnorke July 12, 2014 at 5:33 pm -      #37

    ” THe empire state building is just really tough apparently. ”

    Yep, i’m sure its tougher thn planets.

    “Thor out right says he isn’t holding back. ”

    Well the planet wasn’t destroyed, so yes, he was.
    Also, posting this could be a good idea.

    “All I read was “Waaah, I’m butt hurt. PiS! PiS!””

    Way to ignore the actual argument?

    “Your stupidity is fucking remarkable, I really must say. I didn’t say they’re equal to Thor. I said they weren’t physically stronger than Godzilla.”

    And i went on to say they were no where near Thor… Since our entire argument is between Godzilla and Thor.
    How is that stupid in any way?

    “My point was, we never actually knew what Godzilla’s physical upper limit was before his fight with Thor, in any form of media that he’d ever been presented in.”

    His upper-limit is based on his feats. The end.
    His fight against Thor was PIS because Thor wasn’t busting planets like he could have been.

    “Thor was literally the first time in Godzilla’s history that he was physically stalemated. ”

    Regardless, this is a moot point caus it doesn’t change the fact that Thor was holding back.

    ” No one was ever a physical match for him. Ever.”

    Because they were all peanuts compared to an all out Thor.

    “They had one fight. It’s the only time we see Godzilla fight anyone as strong as Thor. It’s the only time we see Godzilla physically matched in the comics. It’s not PiS. I don’t know how else to explain this to you.”

    *sigh*
    Why didn’t Thor throw Godzilla into space?
    Why didn’t Thor move at FTL and speedblitz?

    “Godzilla doesn’t go around planet busting. He sleeps in the ocean. Walks ashore, smashes some buildings, sets the place on fire, and then goes back in the ocean to sleep. That’s his schtick. It’s not our fault you don’t like it. ”

    So… why are you claiming he’s equal in strength to Thor? If you don’t have the feats to back it up?
    And before you start again, the feats against Thor do not count, because it was fucking PIS.

    “Ultimately, I don’t even care if I convince you. I don’t think you’ve even read the comic.”

    I haven’t. But i’v seen the scans.

    ” characters like hercules and thor have to use everything they have as far as strength is concerned to even make him budge.”

    So… why didn’t Thor move at FTL?
    Oh right… caus PIS.

    “You’d be familiar with how the fantastic four had tried repeatedly to deal with him. With how shield’s only useful weapon was a gas bomb because they couldn’t injure him, only piss him off. With how iceman was utterly and completely useless, and so was the human torch.”

    If you knew anything about Thor, you’d be familiar with how he can kill all of them with his eyes shut & his hands tied behind his back.
    Why even bother mentioning Human Torch & Iceman? Do you have any idea how far below Thor they are?

    “It’s like you want to throw out the handful of good feats because you just want to shit on Godzilla,”

    No, i’m saying his fight against Thor was PIS.

    “These ARE things he’s done.”

    So… someone doesn’t understand what PIS means?

    “He HAS tanked black holes.”

    Batman HAS beaten the Spectre.

    ” He DID physically match Thor. AAAAND the Avengers”

    Batman HAS beaten Darkseid. (the rest of the Avengers are literally useless compared to an all out Thor, stop forgetting about that.)

    “He’s the king of the monsters, baby, and Thor found that out the hard way.”

    So, i’m getting the impression you don’t really know shit about Thor…

    @Lowk
    “EDIT Marvel’s Godzilla apparently got hella nerfed”

    Or his previous showing was… you know… PIS

  38. Rookie July 12, 2014 at 5:47 pm -      #38

    @Ranger Lowk

    “EDIT Marvel’s Godzilla apparently got hella nerfed
    4.bp.blogspot.com/-58r8mjehNSs/U2zdYPsO-AI/AAAAAAAAzx0/1XsixsYGgOY/s1600/Uncanny+X-Men+507_Godzilla_vs_Angel.jpg”

    This is Godzilla? What was the author thinking? This looks nothing like G. Even old Marvel version looked better IMO.

  39. Ranger Lowk July 12, 2014 at 5:53 pm -      #39

    ““He HAS tanked black holes.”

    Batman HAS beaten the Spectre.”

    Don’t think that ones a valid comparison. And When did Batman beat Spectre?
    ===
    “This is Godzilla? What was the author thinking? This looks nothing like G. Even old Marvel version looked better IMO.”

    I think at some point they lost the rights to make godzilla so they changed his look to avoid copyright issues.

  40. Ragnorke July 12, 2014 at 5:53 pm -      #40

    “He’s the king of the monsters, baby, and Thor found that out the hard way.”

    I’m just gunna respond to this again caus… why not…
    Have you seen some of the monsters Thor has fought? seriously?
    Caus if you had, you would NOT make this claim.
    Every incarnation of Godzilla combined would get roflstomped by some of Thors bigger threats,

    “Don’t think that ones a valid comparison. And When did Batman beat Spectre?”

    It’s a good enough comparison, caus Sauro seems to think if something canonically happened it isn’t PIS.
    Batman beat Spectre in new52, kicked his ass (literally) and forced him to run away pretty much.

  41. Rookie July 12, 2014 at 5:55 pm -      #41

    @Ranger Lowk

    ““EDIT Marvel’s Godzilla apparently got hella nerfed
    4.bp.blogspot.com/-58r8mjehNSs/U2zdYPsO-AI/AAAAAAAAzx0/1XsixsYGgOY/s1600/Uncanny+X-Men+507_Godzilla_vs_Angel.jpg””

    I forgot to ask was this thing truly confirmed as Godzilla in this comics?

  42. Rookie July 12, 2014 at 5:57 pm -      #42

    @Ranger Lowk

    “I think at some point they lost the rights to make godzilla so they changed his look to avoid copyright.”

    So this is not Godzilla? If so, then thanks god, cause it looks nothing like him and can’t tank a thing apparently.

  43. Ranger Lowk July 12, 2014 at 6:01 pm -      #43

    “So this is not Godzilla? If so, then thanks god, cause it looks nothing like him and can’t tank a thing apparently.”

    Nope. Though he’s still Marvels “godzilla” the same from the avengers thing.

  44. Rookie July 12, 2014 at 6:03 pm -      #44

    @Ranger Lowk

    “Nope. Though he’s still Marvels “godzilla” the same from the avengers thing.”

    Did they named him Godzilla in comic?

  45. Ranger Lowk July 12, 2014 at 6:06 pm -      #45

    “Did they named him Godzilla in comic?”

    The name of the comic was called Godzilla

    EDIT:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/0/4/17506-2901-19576-1-godzilla.jpg

  46. Rookie July 12, 2014 at 6:09 pm -      #46

    @Ranger Lowk

    “The name of the comic was called Godzilla”

    Damn. So this is a new version after all.
    Can I see a scan with this… oh well… name, for this new G?

  47. Alpha or Omega July 12, 2014 at 6:10 pm -      #47

    “Hey, we lost the rights to Godzilla in our comics. What should we do with ours?”
    “Meh, kill him off”
    /
    Seems legit.

  48. Rookie July 12, 2014 at 6:13 pm -      #48

    @Alpha or Omega

    “Seems legit.”

    Only if you do this with style.
    Otherwise it not cool enough.

    @Ranger Lowk

    “EDIT:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/0/4/17506-2901-19576-1-godzilla.jpg”

    That’s the old good-looking one. I was asking about new strange looking one. Did they named new thing as Godzilla or not?

  49. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 12, 2014 at 6:20 pm -      #49

    “It wasn’t PiS for Marvel Godzilla to match Thor.”

    Yea, I agree with this. Although I think if Thor really wanted to he could’ve done tranmutated Godzilla into something, or teleport him somewhere.
    =
    “Literally all the other “founding” Avengers are peanuts compared to an all out Thor… it’s not even funny how weak they are compared to him.”

    Well, yea sure, power wise they’re peanuts. Hulk’s the only one that can match strength wise(out of the original members anyways).
    =
    “Except neither Thor nor Godzilla are “Casual” planet busters.”

    Thor sure is, Godzilla I doubt, but then again I don’t think we’ve ever seen Godzilla try to. He has destroyed a black hole, so there’s that. Probably could if he wanted too, but it’d be pointless for him to do it since he’d strand himself(same with pretty much any nonflying characters with that level of power).
    =
    “It’s not our fault that unless he goes on adventures through space fighting galactic threats when his only concern is his home that you won’t be convinced.”

    QFT and basically any nonflying character really…
    =
    “Both in the movies and in the comics.”

    Didn’t Hercules do it too? I have to go look through the comics again.
    =
    “”It wasn’t PiS for Marvel Godzilla to match Thor.”

    Yea, I agree with this. Although I think if Thor really wanted to he could’ve done tranmutated Godzilla into something, or teleport him somewhere.
    =
    “Literally all the other “founding” Avengers are peanuts compared to an all out Thor… it’s not even funny how weak they are compared to him.”

    Well, yea sure, power wise they’re peanuts. Hulk’s the only one that can match strength wise(out of the original members anyways).
    =
    “Except neither Thor nor Godzilla are “Casual” planet busters.”

    Thor sure is, Godzilla I doubt, but then again I don’t think we’ve ever seen Godzilla try to. He has destroyed a black hole, so there’s that. Probably could if he wanted too, but it’d be pointless for him to do it since he’d strand himself(same with pretty much any nonflying characters with that level of power).
    =
    “It’s not our fault that unless he goes on adventures through space fighting galactic threats when his only concern is his home that you won’t be convinced.”

    QFT and basically any nonflying character really…
    =
    “Both in the movies and in the comics.”

    Didn’t Hercules do it too? I have to go look through the comics again.
    =
    “His fight against Thor was PIS because Thor wasn’t busting planets like he could have been.”

    Thor and Godzilla matching each other isn’t PIS, it’s a feat. Thor not beating Godzilla in the fight is PIS. Even Herc struggled strengthwise with Godzilla.
    =
    This is all a moot point though if Movie Godzilla is different from Comic(s) Godzilla(which is why I asked earlier in the thread if they were different).

  50. Ranger Lowk July 12, 2014 at 6:22 pm -      #50

    “Can I see a scan with this… oh well… name, for this new G?”

    I got lucky finding the scan for the new haven’t read the or seen the rest of it. Though the wiki says they refer to him as leviathan now.
    ===
    “Hey, we lost the rights to Godzilla in our comics. What should we do with ours?”
    “Meh, kill him off”

    Well they had to make room for the lady from the Spawn Universe to come in.

  51. Rookie July 12, 2014 at 6:25 pm -      #51

    @Ranger Lowk

    “Though the wiki says they refer to him as leviathan now.”

    So he is not G and this is why he sucks so much.
    Good news.

  52. Ragnorke July 12, 2014 at 6:25 pm -      #52

    @Rookie
    This is Earth-616s Canon Godzilla. He is the same one from the previous comics (no explanation as to why he looks different)
    godzilla.wikia.com/wiki/File:Godzilla_(Earth-616).jpg

  53. Ragnorke July 12, 2014 at 6:29 pm -      #53

    @CH1
    “Thor and Godzilla matching each other isn’t PIS, it’s a feat. Thor not beating Godzilla in the fight is PIS. Even Herc struggled strengthwise with Godzilla.”

    This is something i can agree to. And basically what i have been trying to say.
    Godzilla BEATING the Avengers (Thor specifically) is complete bullshit & PIS. Whether he matches Thor in “strength” or not, Thor should have won.
    Thors destructive power is faaaarrrrrrrrr greater than Godzilas, and there’s no denying it. Making their fight PIS.

  54. Rookie July 12, 2014 at 6:29 pm -      #54

    @Ragnorke

    “This is Earth-616s Canon Godzilla. He is the same one from the previous comics (no explanation as to why he looks different)
    godzilla.wikia.com/wiki/File:Godzilla_(Earth-616).jpg”

    I was given this when I followed link: “No file by this name exists.” )))

    Does they still call him Godzilla in the new comics? One scan with name in new comics will do nicely as proof.

  55. Ragnorke July 12, 2014 at 6:34 pm -      #55

    @Rookie
    marvel.wikia.com/Godzilla_(Earth-616)
    Maybe this link will work.

    They no longer refer to him by name, caus they no longer have the right to do so.
    But he is canonically the same Godzilla as before (same character), they just “avoid” using his name.

  56. Rookie July 12, 2014 at 6:36 pm -      #56

    @Ragnorke

    “They no longer refer to him by name, caus they no longer have the right to do so.
    But he is canonically the same Godzilla as before (same character), they just “avoid” using his name.”

    This link works. Thanks.
    How can he still be Godzilla if he no longer have the name Godzilla? He was killed by a plane. So he doesn’t even have regeneration!
    It’s just another monster. Marvel Zilla or something IMO.

  57. Ragnorke July 12, 2014 at 6:38 pm -      #57

    “How can he still be Godzilla if he no longer have the name Godzilla?”

    The character technically still has the name, the writers avoid using it though. Get what i mean?

    ” So he doesn’t even have regeneration!”

    Pretty sure he does, it’s just slower.

    “It’s just another monster. Marvel Zilla or something IMO.”

    Well… no…
    They used to call him Godzilla, and he’s canonically the same character. They just never mention his name anymore.
    Therefor he is still Godzilla… Or the same one they used to use anyways

  58. Rookie July 12, 2014 at 6:42 pm -      #58

    @Ragnorke

    “The character technically still has the name, the writers avoid using it though. Get what i mean?”

    That will work if we have some official confirmation from Marvel that this new thing is Godzilla. Do we have something like this?

  59. Ranger Lowk July 12, 2014 at 6:45 pm -      #59

    “It’s just another monster. Marvel Zilla or something IMO.”

    Basically. They just reduced they’re godzilla to zilla.
    ===
    “He was killed by a plane”

    I’m not sure if it’s better or worse but he was killed by Archangel, whose a mutant, with really sharp wing.
    ===
    “That will work if we have some official confirmation from Marvel that this new thing is Godzilla. Do we have something like this?”

    One of the people following godzilla back from the old versions of him is still following him.

  60. Rookie July 12, 2014 at 6:49 pm -      #60

    @Ranger Lowk

    “I’m not sure if it’s better or worse but he was killed by Archangel, whose a mutant, with really sharp wing.”

    Thanks for info.
    Well at least this thing was killed by named character. At least something.

    “One of the people following godzilla back from the old versions of him is still following him.”

    I don’t get it. What does it mean? Who is this person?

  61. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 12, 2014 at 6:58 pm -      #61

    @Rag Alright, then I misunderstood what you were saying. Glad we came to an understanding though. It’s still a moot point if comic and movie Godzilla are separate, which according to PB they are. He could be wrong, but I don’t know.
    =
    Wonder if Godzilla vs Jörmungandr would be any good(maybe with Gamera thrown in there).

  62. Ranger Lowk July 12, 2014 at 8:35 pm -      #62

    “I don’t get it. What does it mean? Who is this person?”

    Never mind. Going by this it seems leviathan was a recreated godzilla by the guy that was studying the original.
    EDIT:
    Which mean another godzilla is either some where in marvel(are the owners of godzilla the suing type?) or he was dealt with by the mighty avengers
    images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080307195622/marveldatabase/images/0/08/Godzillaincomicsy63.jpg

  63. Ranger Lowk July 12, 2014 at 8:55 pm -      #63

    “Have you seen some of the monsters Thor has fought? seriously?”

    Found this while I was looking up marvelzilla
    farm4.staticflickr.com/3805/13910015602_f9a51c5e4d_o.jpg
    If this is correct Godzilla is puppy sized relative to Surtur. And Galactus really needs to start appearing bigger to humans more often.

  64. Ragnorke July 13, 2014 at 12:29 am -      #64

    That’s an interesting chart lowk :3
    Pretty sure I remember celestials being… bigger…
    like earth was only a portion of its body, so not sure how accurate the chart is on that one.
    I guess they can change size like galactus.

    Isn’t Surtur a casual galaxy buster?
    shumu gorath also comes to mind, who’s a bit larger thn Earth.

  65. Ranger Lowk July 13, 2014 at 12:45 am -      #65

    “Pretty sure I remember celestials being… bigger…”

    Like I mentioned with Galactus I think it’s going off how they are often represented. Some have come to earth and were small enough to land on the planet.

  66. Ragnorke July 13, 2014 at 12:51 am -      #66

    Whoops! Definitely meant Surtur being a Solar buster in the last post.
    Dont think Marvel has too many galaxy busters xD

  67. Ranger Lowk July 13, 2014 at 12:56 am -      #67

    I wouldn’t have know either way. Never really read anything with Surtur.

  68. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 13, 2014 at 1:31 am -      #68

    @Rag Surtur tends to be around Odin level and he’s destroyed galaxies as a side affect of his fights, and I do believe he has a few showings on that level.
    =
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/114312/2169000-thorv1337p024ei.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/114312/2176442-thorv1337p037pe.jpg
    media.animevice.com/uploads/0/6253/249391-surtur0016wreckinggalaxct1_super.jpg

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/114312/2168969-odin3ur3.jpg

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35308/1827483-journeyintomystery513p18.jpg

    Mostly what I could find on the matter. I might post a bit more later, but probably not since it’s not really match related.

  69. Ragnorke July 13, 2014 at 2:10 am -      #69

    Thanks for the scans CH1
    point being, Thor can (sometimes) roll with the likes of Solar busters without too much trouble.
    Godzilla shoulda been spanked around like a bitch. Thus, PIS

  70. Parry Boy July 13, 2014 at 2:22 am -      #70

    This thread was 69 posts on.
    Not anymore!
    @Ragnorke
    Not exactly slapping, but something like a dengue and malaria mosquito.

  71. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 13, 2014 at 2:28 am -      #71

    “point being, Thor can (sometimes) roll with the likes of Solar busters without too much trouble.”

    Galaxy busters, but I’m pretty sure that’s just PIS in Thor’s case.

    Also, found this about Surtur’s sword(after he blew up BRB’s Galaxy):
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125547/3193243-thor+%23351.jpg
    =
    “Godzilla shoulda been spanked around like a bitch. Thus, PIS”

    Sure, Big G probably couldn’t handle some of Thor’s more haxness, but physically Marvel’s Godzilla is able to compete with Thor and Herc strength wise(being overpowered by the latter). Doesn’t matter since that’s not Movie Godzilla(again, PB could be wrong, but I’ll take his word until he’s proven wrong).

  72. Ragnorke July 13, 2014 at 2:36 am -      #72

    “Galaxy busters, but I’m pretty sure that’s just PIS in Thor’s case.”

    Regular Thor is far from galaxy busting (although with the odinforce he claims to be more powerful than Odin ever was)
    But he can usually deal with Solar busters without any PIS.

    “but physically Marvel’s Godzilla is able to compete with Thor and Herc strength wise”

    This is the problem though… physical strength is only a small portion of Thors capabilities. His lightning, speed, & hammer should have dominated Godzilla.
    Heck he didn’t even use his “magic” such as the Godblast.

    Then again, Thor has been buffed up over the last few years. So MAYBE his fight against godzilla wasn’t AS PIS as i’m making it sound.
    Nonetheless, he didn’t go anywhere near all out, making it PIS in favor of big G.

  73. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 13, 2014 at 2:58 am -      #73

    “Regular Thor is far from galaxy busting (although with the odinforce he claims to be more powerful than Odin ever was)”

    Which is why it’d be PIS.
    =
    “But he can usually deal with Solar busters without any PIS.”

    I haven’t seen too many feats in that level for Thor, but I think I get what you’re saying.
    =
    “This is the problem though… physical strength is only a small portion of Thors capabilities. His lightning, speed, & hammer should have dominated Godzilla.
    Heck he didn’t even use his “magic” such as the Godblast.”

    He rammed right into Big G in their fight, did more damage than anyone else in the Avengers, FF, SHIELD, or Champions did. img236.imageshack.us/img236/508/godzilla23159bg.jpg At least he managed to hurt Godzilla. Everyone else just annoyed him.
    =
    “Then again, Thor has been buffed up over the last few years. So MAYBE his fight against godzilla wasn’t AS PIS as i’m making it sound.”

    Right, but now a days it’s kinda what he’s narrowed down to(strength powerhouse). Back then was when he was using things like time travel, transmutation, absorbing powers/life force, etc. Sure he still uses weather powers, but that’s about it. There’s still a crapton of other powers he has in his arsenal that he could use, but never does anymore. So if anything Thor’s been dumbed down over the years, with all the physical feats more of a nod of what he can do should he let go(looking at his fight with Gorr mostly).

  74. Ragnorke July 13, 2014 at 3:26 am -      #74

    @CH1
    “Back then was when he was using things like time travel, transmutation, absorbing powers/life force,”

    Wait what…?
    Regular Thor never had any of these. You may be thinking of Odinforce or Runeking Thor.

    “So if anything Thor’s been dumbed down over the years,”

    His feats are only getting stronger and stronger.
    He doesn’t use hax magic, but the sheer power he gets from Mjolnir is really starting to increase (Gorr fight.)
    & most of his enemies are immune/resistant to his hax magic anyways.

    “img236.imageshack.us/img236/508/godzilla23159bg.jpg At least he managed to hurt Godzilla. Everyone else just annoyed him.”

    Had there been no PIS, he would have turned Godzilla into a pile of goo.

    “I haven’t seen too many feats in that level for Thor, but I think I get what you’re saying.”

    A lot of his fights come with narration boxes with things like “shook the stars”
    He can’t straight up Solar bust, but he can put up a fight against people who can.

    “Which is why it’d be PIS.”

    Well, King Thor is actually more powerful than Odin ever was… So he should be able to galaxy bust without any problems.
    He put up a legit fight against Galactus. Broke a bunch of his teeth, made him vomit/bleed and shit.

    “Right, but now a days it’s kinda what he’s narrowed down to(strength powerhouse).”

    Unlike other characters he gets his strength from an external source.
    His natural Strength can be matched by the likes of Hulk, but when he goes all out with Mjolnir?

  75. Commander Cross July 13, 2014 at 3:50 am -      #75

    Even then, I’m not sure if the following had to fight Godzilla at all but 616 SS Doctor Strange is still more powerful than King Thor happened to be at an overall basis, as far as Supernatural Powers are concerned.
    Remember how 616 Strange disabled or disposed of The Odinforce from King Thor and blocked out a lot of powers so the other Avengers could restrain Thor?
    I stated the other capabilities of Strange I recalled that makes that bit above look easy, but that be neither here nor there.

    616 King Thor could BFR Godzilla despite the task being harder than doing such to Hulk, but anyone wanna gauge the difficulties in doing this?

    For that matter, how does Godzilla generally stack up next to 616 Hulk for that matter?
    (Granted, 616 Thor could kill 616 Hulk no matter *What Stage* Thor’s in if its needed, but Godzilla sounds tougher than that.)

  76. Sauroposeidon July 13, 2014 at 9:03 am -      #76

    “EDIT Marvel’s Godzilla apparently got hella nerfed”

    I don’t think that’s Godzilla. Last time we saw him he was mutated by Dr.Demonicus to in no way resemble Godzilla. If that were him, Marvel would be in serious trouble with TOHO right now.

    “Yep, i’m sure its tougher thn planets.”

    Marvel planets get blown up by tiny explosions. There is no way you will ever convince me that physics in any way resembles what they should be in the marvel universe.

    “Well the planet wasn’t destroyed, so yes, he was.
    Also, posting this could be a good idea.”

    Wait a second. You’re arguing Thor was holding back and it was PiS when you literally haven’t read the comic?

    LOL go fuck yourself dude. You’re done. You can’t make arguments about fights you haven’t even seen. I won’t even bother with the rest of your post.

    “The name of the comic was called Godzilla”

    The scene with the monster getting hurt is not from that comic.

    Considering that does not look at all like what Dr.Demonicus did to him, I’m inclined to say it’s not him, again.

    “It’s a good enough comparison, caus Sauro seems to think if something canonically happened it isn’t PIS.”

    No. I think if no upper limit is shown, when we find out that upper limit is insanely high then it’s not PiS. It’d be PiS if Godzilla struggled to match the strength of Colossus earlier in the comics and then matched Thor.

    Although it’s in his character to attain new abilities with no fucking warning through mutation or whatever. So, even then, it’s not really PiS. One day electricity kicks his ass. The next he’s utterly unphased by it when they develop and entire defense around it. Once, he attained the power of control over magnetism. Why? Just because.

    It’s difficult to say something Godzilla does is PiS because it’s standard procedure for him to have massive leaps in power with out warning, and to develop new abilities when we’re not paying attention.

    Why is Godzilla suddenly so much stronger? Because, Godzilla. Why is Godzilla suddenly 100% immune to his repeatedly abused weakness? Because, Godzilla. Why does Godzilla suddenly seem to have psychic, precognitive powers when he never displayed them at all in the movie up until that point? Because, Godzilla.

    It would help if you thought of Godzilla as a sort of biological Megas XLR.

    “Yea, I agree with this. Although I think if Thor really wanted to he could’ve done tranmutated Godzilla into something, or teleport him somewhere.”

    If his radiation has caused attempts to mess with him not to work (because according to comics, radiation = magic) then why would Thor do that? It’s not exactly his first course of action in most fights.

    “Which mean another godzilla is either some where in marvel(are the owners of godzilla the suing type?) or he was dealt with by the mighty avengers”

    Godzilla’s brain is presumably under mind control still. He’s probably just waiting in the bottom on the ocean.

    The godzilla-like monster we see in that scene is likely just an Easter Egg. Considering he was a match for Red Ronin, another opponent that routinely gives The Avengers trouble, they should be more worried if he pops out.

    “If this is correct Godzilla is puppy sized relative to Surtur. And Galactus really needs to start appearing bigger to humans more often.”

    That’s not Marvel Godzilla. That’s Godzilla from the 1990’s.

    Marvel Godzilla size changes a lot if I recall due to inconsistencies in the art.

    ” It’s still a moot point if comic and movie Godzilla are separate, which according to PB they are. He could be wrong, but I don’t know.”

    Think of it this way. There is a multi-verse of Godzillas. They are defined as sharing similar traits and looking similar.

    Godzilla 1954 is usually the defining starting point for all versions of Godzilla save Marvel Godzilla and Godzilla 2014.

    Some movies only have it and themselves.

    The 1998 movies is part of the GMK line, where they out right say the monster seen was mistaken for Godzilla.

    Some lines include other lines who only see what is with in themselves as canon, and not the wider line (or lines) they are a part of. But those wider line (or lines) include that line as part of their history.

    For instance, the 1998 american movie considers itself as its own line..but officially by TOHO was part of the GMK line, and eventually, separate from GMK, was also considered part of the Final Wars line, where presumably either the parent animal actually regenerated from death or the child animal was used.

    Oh and in Final Wars the Zilla kaiju was scaled to be larger, but it’s still the same animal. As was Rodan, who is literally twice as tall now, but is still the same animal from Showa.

    Except the Ghidorah never attacked obviously, and neither did Gigan, and thus the X-Aliens never showed up.

    You see how this is going? It’s a labyrinth. Have fun with it.

    “Godzilla shoulda been spanked around like a bitch. Thus, PIS”

    Again, a character which has manhandled every one on one opponent he’s ever had with no issue does not equate to him only being as strong as them. It’s only PiS if he struggled to physically match them. The closest we ever see to this are the Beta Beasts, who’s feats we know essentially nothing about.

    “This is the problem though… physical strength is only a small portion of Thors capabilities. His lightning, speed, & hammer should have dominated Godzilla.
    Heck he didn’t even use his “magic” such as the Godblast.”

    You know, he is trying to protect a city. Which you wouldn’t know since you didn’t read the comic…

    “A lot of his fights come with narration boxes with things like “shook the stars”
    He can’t straight up Solar bust, but he can put up a fight against people who can.”

    You can shake a star with out busting it, just sayn’.

    “Had there been no PIS, he would have turned Godzilla into a pile of goo.”

    Name how often he does that to hulk?

    “Unlike other characters he gets his strength from an external source.
    His natural Strength can be matched by the likes of Hulk, but when he goes all out with Mjolnir?”

    Mjollnir is stated as being the most painful thing Godzilla was ever hit by, if I recall.

    Godzilla’s roars are too strong for him to close in after wards, Godzilla’s so pissed.

    Although Thor never really struck me as having high resistance to loud sounds.

    Again, you’re whining PiS when there’s no precedent set for it to be PiS.

    You want to act like Thor’s great fighting style should have won them the day, and yet it didn’t. You want to act like his speed should be the deciding factor, when unless it’s all a character has it’s VIRTUALLY NEVER the deciding factor in a comic book fight.

    People develop in their mind what a character should win based on what they have on paper alone because they don’t look at all of the factors, and conclude with out complete data that because they can do something that they will.

    If you’re not smart enough to routinely think to do it, chances are you won’t think to do it. Because you’re not smart enough to think to do it. At least not except for once in a blue moon. Get where I’m going with this? It’s like fly-by-at-warp-and-shoot-them tactics people propose in star trek. Maybe they can, but they don’t. There might be something that prevents them from doing it that we’re not told bout. The fact of the matter is we either rarely or never see a character do something, so it’s not PiS when they don’t do it.

    Oh fuck, maybe Thor was just scared. He pegged Godzilla as rivaling jormungandr in the fight, after all. He was panicking pretty hard in that fight. When you do that, you don’t usually think up the best strategies. Part of Godzilla’s arsenal is his sheer intimidation, making it difficult for others to even fight you at full capacity is a powerful weapon.

    It’s very annoying to see people throw PiS out just because something they aren’t familiar with doesn’t immediately groove with them.

    Oh and..

    “Didn’t Hercules do it too? I have to go look through the comics again.”

    If I am recalling correctly, Godzilla did not match strength with Hercules.

    What happened was, he was walking.. and Angel, whom he knocked out of the sky, was beneath where he’d step.

    Note: He wasn’t stomping on Angel. Angel just didn’t register to him or he didn’t care.

    Hercules bound beneath his foot and took hold. He had to use either all or a great deal of his strength just to push Godzilla over.

    Godzilla probably felt like he just stepped on a trampoline. Nothing suggests that Godzilla was really pushing back. It was more his weight, for some reason.

    I had always assumed Herc was weaker than Thor.

  77. Ragnorke July 13, 2014 at 10:44 am -      #77

    “Marvel planets get blown up by tiny explosions. There is no way you will ever convince me that physics in any way resembles what they should be in the marvel universe.”

    Since when do Marvel planets get blown up by “tiny” explosions?
    Physics is meant to resemble real life most of the time. Deal with it,

    “Wait a second. You’re arguing Thor was holding back and it was PiS when you literally haven’t read the comic?”

    I’v seen most scans, don’t remember seeing the specific one you mentioned, therefor i asked you to post it.
    Surely you’ve been on BankGambling long enough to know this is common courtesy.

    “LOL go fuck yourself dude. You’re done. You can’t make arguments about fights you haven’t even seen.”

    1. Who’s butthurt now?
    2. I have seen them. And Thor was undoubtedly holding back.

    ” I won’t even bother with the rest of your post.”

    Another way of saying you have no counter arguments.

    “No. I think if no upper limit is shown, when we find out that upper limit is insanely high then it’s not PiS.”

    Thor was holding back due to PIS. Therefor the plot was in Godzillas favor.
    Why is this so hard to understand?

    “Once, he attained the power of control over magnetism. Why? Just because.
    Why is Godzilla suddenly so much stronger? Because, Godzilla. Why is Godzilla suddenly 100% immune to his repeatedly abused weakness? Because, Godzilla. Why does Godzilla suddenly seem to have psychic, precognitive powers when he never displayed them at all in the movie up until that point? Because, Godzilla.”

    This is the definition of PIS btw.

    “If his radiation has caused attempts to mess with him not to work (because according to comics, radiation = magic) ”

    Lol what? No.
    Radiation in Marvel universe =/= Magic
    Stop pulling shit out of your ass.

    “That’s not Marvel Godzilla. That’s Godzilla from the 1990′s.”

    Every incarnation of Godzilla combined would be nothing more than an ant compared to Surtur.

    “Again, a character which has manhandled every one on one opponent he’s ever had with no issue does not equate to him only being as strong as them. It’s only PiS if he struggled to physically match them.”

    I’v asked you this a few times now… Why didn’t Thor go FTL?
    Because fucking PIS. There’s more to Thor thn “physical strength”

    “You can shake a star with out busting it, just sayn’.”

    What’s the purpose of you saying this? when i already clearly said it in my sentence that you quoted: “He can’t straight up Solar bust, but he can put up a fight against people who can.”

    “Again, you’re whining PiS when there’s no precedent set for it to be PiS.”

    Thor was clearly holding back, as proven by his feats. (Feats > Claims)
    That makes it plot-induced-stupidity in favor of Godzilla.

    “People develop in their mind what a character should win based on what they have on paper alone because they don’t look at all of the factors, and conclude with out complete data that because they can do something that they will.”

    Thors feats put him FAR above Godzilla.
    The fact that they stalemated is because Thor was holding back.
    How do i know he was holding back? Because of fucking feats!

    “Oh fuck, maybe Thor was just scared. Part of Godzilla’s arsenal is his sheer intimidation, making it difficult for others to even fight you at full capacity is a powerful weapon.”

    So, ten bucks says you’ve never picked up a Thor comic.
    And ten bucks says you know nothing about the monsters Thor has fought.

    “It’s very annoying to see people throw PiS out just because something they aren’t familiar with doesn’t immediately groove with them.”

    For the love of…
    Feats speak for themselves.

    “I had always assumed Herc was weaker than Thor.”

    In sheer strength, Herc is slightly stronger (he won in a fist fight of sorts)
    In “power”, Thor would undoubtedly win. Stomps more like.

  78. Ranger Lowk July 13, 2014 at 11:24 am -      #78

    “Wait what…?
    Regular Thor never had any of these. You may be thinking of Odinforce or Runeking Thor.”

    Iirc old school Thor/mjolnir seemed a little like pre crisis superman’s power set. Limited only by whats happening. Think he lose the time travel through. Don’t know why he doesn’t use his other powers though.
    ===
    “Marvel planets get blown up by tiny explosions.”

    Yet there buildings are surprisingly durable.
    ===
    “That’s not Marvel Godzilla. That’s Godzilla from the 1990′s.”

    I figured. Still puppy sized unless you go 2014 in which case he is big dog sized. I geuss ut best they can’t use godzilla anymore, there shouldn’t be any excuse why villain don’t use him more often. He’s like the ultimate attack dog.

  79. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 13, 2014 at 3:30 pm -      #79

    “Wait what…?
    Regular Thor never had any of these. You may be thinking of Odinforce or Runeking Thor.”

    Nope, normal Thor. Definitely has/had those.

    Transmute: static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/109250/2275611-ThorMjolnir88-Transmutation240.jpg

    Time control: static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/146104/2838061-thor33.jpg

    Absorbing Life force/powers:static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111132618/3377490-2053722-thormjolnir164_lifeforceeradication.jpg
    =
    “His feats are only getting stronger and stronger.
    He doesn’t use hax magic, but the sheer power he gets from Mjolnir is really starting to increase (Gorr fight.)”

    He has most of his power without MJOLNIR already. MJOLNIR just gives him a few things. His strength is the same even if he didn’t have MJOLNIR and he has flown without MJOLNIR’s aid before: i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/FlyWithoutMjolnirInSpace1.jpg
    =
    “most of his enemies are immune/resistant to his hax magic anyways.”

    Don’t really think he ever tried any hax with Gorr.
    =
    “Had there been no PIS, he would have turned Godzilla into a pile of goo.”

    Not really, it’s a durability feat for Big G since the comic did say Thor was going all out. Like I said, outcome of the fight could be PIS stuff like Godzilla tanking Thor’s hits, matching Thor in strength are feats. Like Sauro’s saying, most of the people he fights against have never been a match for Godzilla(except maybe Ghidorah, but I don’t know if he was around when the comic was made). Since Godzilla has never really tried to do things on the level Thor has, it’s not really fair to say that it’s PIS physically or not.
    =
    “A lot of his fights come with narration boxes with things like ‘shook the stars’
    He can’t straight up Solar bust, but he can put up a fight against people who can.”

    I guess. There is the one scan of him and BRB destroying something that’s the size of a star. i45.tinypic.com/9hux5y.jpg
    =
    “Well, King Thor is actually more powerful than Odin ever was… So he should be able to galaxy bust without any problems.
    He put up a legit fight against Galactus. Broke a bunch of his teeth, made him vomit/bleed and shit.”

    Not talking about King Thor though. He needed the All Black the Necrosword to do it. Which considering Gorr went from an average Joe, to being able to tango with gods who wrestled black holes and three Thors probably gives him a huge boost in power. Galactus, Butcher of Worlds is probably going to be crazy powerful and I really hope they don’t forget about him(or the Great Society, but I’m sure they’ll forget about both).
    =
    “Unlike other characters he gets his strength from an external source.”

    No, his strength is his own. All physical attributes are his own, it’s just random crap he has that he gets from MJOLNIR(energy manipulation/absorption, transmutation, time control, life force/power drain, etc). Weather control he can do on his own, he’s flown a few times without MJOLNIR and especially strength is his own.
    =
    “His natural Strength can be matched by the likes of Hulk, but when he goes all out with Mjolnir?”

    Even in Warrior Madness(Thor*10)Hulk has matched Thor’s strength. Thing is, he’s always that strong, with or without MJOLNIR. Hulk is considered the stronger of the two, but not the more powerful, which Thor crushes him in. You also have to remember, the two of them have never gone all out on each other, they both always hold back.
    =
    “For that matter, how does Godzilla generally stack up next to 616 Hulk for that matter?”

    factpile.com/1352-king-kong-vs-the-hulk-vs-optimus-prime-vs-rancor-vs-godzilla/#comments Basically Hulk vs Godzilla, since everyone else was agreed early on to be nothing but an annoyance for those two.
    =
    “Marvel planets get blown up by tiny explosions. There is no way you will ever convince me that physics in any way resembles what they should be in the marvel universe.”

    *shrugs* They’re still planet busting which is all that matters.
    =
    “If his radiation has caused attempts to mess with him not to work (because according to comics, radiation = magic) then why would Thor do that? It’s not exactly his first course of action in most fights.”

    Since when was magic radiation? It’s not, I’m just saying he could if he wanted to.
    =
    “Think of it this way. There is a multi-verse of Godzillas. They are defined as sharing similar traits and looking similar.”

    That’s exactly how I’m looking at it now.
    =
    “You see how this is going? It’s a labyrinth. Have fun with it.”

    We should still be trying to use the main canon though, even if it is confusing like that. If not then I could just go around using GalctiHulk www.bamkapow.com/bk_images/2008/06/05/hulk-amazing-feats/Galactusy-Marvel-Zombies-05.jpg
    =
    “It’s only PiS if he struggled to physically match them.”

    Even then, unless we knew what those other creatures limits were we couldn’t say for sure it was PIS.
    =
    “Name how often he does that to hulk?”

    Never as far as I know.
    =
    “Mjollnir is stated as being the most painful thing Godzilla was ever hit by, if I recall.”

    Yup.
    =
    “I had always assumed Herc was weaker than Thor.”

    They’re always paired off as equals in the strength department.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35308/1658587-thorvs.jpg
    =
    “This is the definition of PIS btw.”

    Not really. PIS is more of what Sauro was describing in post 76.
    =
    “Every incarnation of Godzilla combined would be nothing more than an ant compared to Surtur.”

    That’d be relevant if we were talking about Godzilla vs Surtur.
    =
    “In sheer strength, Herc is slightly stronger (he won in a fist fight of sorts)
    In “power”, Thor would undoubtedly win. Stomps more like.”

    Yea, Herc, Sentry, Thor, Hyperion, Hulk, Gladiator, and probably Sun God(if they ever use him again)and Blue Marvel now are just kinda thrown in together in that same general strength category(which is usually planetary level strength and a few feats from Hulk and Thor to put em around star level strength). I’m sure there’s others that I was too lazy to mention though. Only difference is Thor tends to be more powerful than the rest of them.
    =
    “Think he lose the time travel through. Don’t know why he doesn’t use his other powers though.”

    I remember him using it after he lost it though. I posted a scan in Supes vs Thor(but the link doesn’t work anymore)of him doing it(it seemed like a modern day comic too). Probably too convenient/easily solvable from a reader standpoint.
    =
    “I figured. Still puppy sized unless you go 2014 in which case he is big dog sized. I geuss ut best they can’t use godzilla anymore, there shouldn’t be any excuse why villain don’t use him more often. He’s like the ultimate attack dog.”

    Yea, he really is. I’m sure a fight between Marvel’s high tier Earth bound heroes and Godzilla and other Kaiju from his verse would end up turning the entire planet to dust.

  80. Ragnorke July 13, 2014 at 5:08 pm -      #80

    @Commander Cross
    “Strange is still more powerful than King Thor happened to be at an overall basis, as far as Supernatural Powers are concerned.”

    I disagree…
    Most of Stranges Haxness is very situational and often depends on prep time. While very powerful, he wouldn’t last too long if regular Thor just loses it and attacks him. Let alone against King Thor…

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCJKGb7-cB8&list=UUcChHFQXalEDVp2JYK2vGfg
    Strange, Mr. Fantastic, Ironman, Doom… ALL of marvels Hax & PIS characters working together just watched in awe, praying that Thor would save them.

    Thor has beaten Malekith, a sorcerer who is ATLEAST on par with Strange.
    Malekith “claims” to be the greatest sorcerer in the nine-realms, whereas Strange is just Sorcerer Supreme of Earth.

    And if you wanna talk about King Thor….
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8YVSJjeBlg&index=1&list=UUcChHFQXalEDVp2JYK2vGfg
    This is what he did to Galactus, something no incarnation of Strange can ever dream of doing.

  81. Commander Cross July 13, 2014 at 6:05 pm -      #81

    @Ragnorke at #79

    Perhaps the second video is only part 1 of something even more epic, but the way I see it is that King Thor isn’t-at-all too far behind as far as the overall Power Gaps are concerned* aside from being more capable of killing the 616 Hulk than he is.

    Hope it’s not across as outright wankage of 616 SS Strange so much as going on what I recall, but I found this bit here being what I meant at post #16 of
    that link.(Not the match itself but the scan said it.)

    I don’t think you’re doing outright wankage either, more like I don’t recall too well on what happens if either one goes all-out at 100% Maximum and all that jazz.

    I admit I need more info later on, when I said overall I don’t mean in terms of Physical Prowess beyond going FTL and stuff.

    You got another vid with King Thor vs Galactus we could go watch?
    Let’s not forget that there are Demon Lords
    and ArchFiends in Marvel that hit as Hard as 616 Galactus normally does. either at times.

    1.) (Not in terms of Physical Might as that part favors Thor.)
    2.) (Nice Gravatar of Thor there.)

  82. Ragnorke July 13, 2014 at 6:24 pm -      #82

    @Commander Cross
    “Hope it’s not across as outright wankage of 616 SS Strange so much as going on what I recall, but I found this bit here being what I meant at post #16 of
    that link.(Not the match itself but the scan said it.)”

    To be fair, during his fight with the in-betweener, he was given the powers of Lord Chaos & Master Order. (who are the makers of the in-betweener)
    That’s kinda what i meant when i said: “Most of Stranges Haxness is very situational and often depends on prep time.”
    I’m also pretty sure Strange gets more powerful when in demonic realms.

    During the Ragnarok story-line, Strange was completely useless, and could do nothing to save earth.
    He (along with everyone else) admits that everything depends on Thor, and that he was their only hope of beating the Celestial.

    Surely with prep time Strange could muster some spells to keep Thor at bay, but he wouldn’t win in a fight without prep or PIS.

    “You got another vid with King Thor vs Galactus we could go watch?”

    Old King Thor loses to Galactus, but at the end of the story arc (after beating Gorr), he takes Gorrs sword “All-Black the Necroblade” which has the power of millions of gods in it (and an Elder God).
    With his new sword, chances are he could beat Galactus. Would love to see it.

    I recommend reading “God-butcher” & “God-bomb” if you’re interested in Thor, definitely changed my opinion of him.

    “Let’s not forget that there are Demon Lords
    and ArchFiends in Marvel that hit as Hard as 616 Galactus normally does.”

    Eh, the demonic realms dont usually follow the same logic and physics of the 616 universe. It’s hard to compare.

  83. Commander Cross July 13, 2014 at 9:01 pm -      #83

    @Ragnorke at #82

    Clearly I either need more info on Thor than what I have on me or my recollections are more dull than I realized.

    ___

    That was before Iron Man went Cosmic and went on a Celestial-slaying campaign for their skulls and whatnot for his Iron Throne, yes?
    Perhaps without more info, I can’t make arguments for or against the statement at the time(Pre-Celestial slaying aside.) with that Story-line.
    ___

    Or Bigger Cosmic ‘Guns’ or a Civillian-Free environ
    ment if he doesn’t want to depopulate the planet?

    ___

    I’d like to see Thor use that Sword more often, actually and granted while not as obvious as Odin, Thor’s a Weapon-Master in his own right, he seems to prefer just using his Hammer or his Fists.

    ___

    Either way, beyond those basic recollections, I need more info, the point that 616 Galactus was Brain-washed still counts for something.

    Anywho, shall we resume Godzilla vs Hirudegarn?

  84. Ragnorke July 13, 2014 at 9:36 pm -      #84

    The celestial was… a special celestial.
    Cant remember his name. Excalibur the executionor or something, Earth was like the size of his head.
    The celestials decided to destroy earth, and Thor was the only one with the potential to stop this guy (he fails though,and earth goes boom)
    Strange, Doom, Stark, and Richards were using some magic/technology to make a shield around earth to buy Thor more time (using hulk as a power source)

    In a more recent story Arc called “infinity”, Thor kills an Engineer/Builder.
    The oldest race in the universe,who strive for perfection or something.

    Also, during the God-bomb story arc, every god throughout time & space prays to Thor making him the “god of gods”
    Gave him a huge power boost. Pretty sure he maintains some of it when he returns to his original time-line.

    Yea I’m definitely just wanking Thor at this point xD
    My bad ^^

  85. Commander Cross July 13, 2014 at 9:55 pm -      #85

    Anywho, is it okay to imagine that Thor got more powerful than he was shown to be when he last fought Godzilla at the time?

    One of the only stand-out reasons why Thor couldn’t just BFR Godzilla has something to do with the task ‘apparently’ being harder than dealing away with The Hulk actually, at least from what I got.

  86. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 14, 2014 at 3:04 am -      #86

    “Perhaps the second video is only part 1 of something even more epic,”

    IIRC Thor gets blasted/punched/slapped(one of those)into the moon, it breaks and then King Thor swears revenge for the moon and goes get ABTNS(All Black the Necrosword). And beats him with it, then Galactus goes from World Devourer to Butcher of Worlds. The Universe may be imperil, possibly the multiverse.
    =
    “He (along with everyone else) admits that everything depends on Thor, and that he was their only hope of beating the Celestial.”

    Celestials tend to be out of Thor’s pay grade. IIRC Galactus ate four planets once just to prepare with a fight with one of them.

    Wasn’t Onslaught made from Celestial tech? If so, Hulk probably could’ve done something.

    Wonder what Zeus was doing when the Celestial’s came in…?
    =
    “With his new sword, chances are he could beat Galactus. Would love to see it.”

    The rest of it is out. I may or may not of made some spoilers in this and post 79… *walks away whistling*
    =
    “I’d like to see Thor use that Sword more often”

    Chances are that he won’t be using it besides in future timelines. Still gotta see what the Butcher of Worlds does with it now.
    =
    “Thor was the only one with the potential to stop this guy”

    I’m pretty sure if you gave Hyperion Jarnbjorn he could’ve done it(or anyone on that strength level). The Apocalypse Twins managed to do it, and besides a few things they never struck me as being anywhere near that level(granted I haven’t read all of Uncanny Avengers, just a few issues here and there). I think they just gave it to Thor since it was his weapon.
    =
    “every god throughout time & space prays to Thor making him the ‘god of gods'”

    Don’t remember this? I just remember Odin mentioning something about Thor? Which issue, do you know?
    =
    “is it okay to imagine that Thor got more powerful than he was shown to be when he last fought Godzilla at the time?”

    I guess, like I said, the thing with Gorr was more of a nod of what he could do when not holding back and less of an actual boost in power. There’s also the fact that Thor doesn’t use that much of his haxness all the time.
    =
    “One of the only stand-out reasons why Thor couldn’t just BFR Godzilla has something to do with the task ‘apparently’ being harder than dealing away with The Hulk actually, at least from what I got.”

    He never has tried to just teleport Hulk away, wonder why. But yea, I’m sure trying to knock Big G into orbit like he did Nul Breaker of Worlds(Hulk with a Asgardian Hammer)would probably end with Thor out for a long time(considering when he did it to Hulk he just passed out). Although not sure if the G man could just shake it off like Nul did.

    Just showing Thor has teleported people. media.animevice.com/uploads/3/32350/588521-ThorMjolnir61-Teleportation070_super.jpg
    =
    @Rag Have you been keeping up with the New Avengers? Really want to see the Great Society(Justice League)go up against the Squadron Supreme(Justice League). Although considering how Sun God dealt with Hulk and how Hyperion lost to him(last I remember hearing)the Great society could probably win(due to lack of feats from them and the fact they’re probably never going to be used again, makes me doubt it’ll ever be a good match though).

  87. Ragnorke July 14, 2014 at 12:17 pm -      #87

    “Celestials tend to be out of Thor’s pay grade. IIRC Galactus ate four planets once just to prepare with a fight with one of them.”
    He had the celestial slaying axe, the one the Apocalypse twins used.

    “Wasn’t Onslaught made from Celestial tech? If so, Hulk probably could’ve done something.”
    Onslaught would be considered the smallest celestial around… and Hulk blacked out after his fight.
    Irrelevant anyways, since Onslaught wasn’t a celestial.

    “Wonder what Zeus was doing when the Celestial’s came in…?”
    I think the sky-fathers were dead at the time, and Hercules can’t really keep up with Thor.

    “The rest of it is out. I may or may not of made some spoilers in this and post 79… *walks away whistling*”
    You… YOU..!!!!

    “The Apocalypse Twins managed to do it,”
    They killed a much smaller/weaker Celestial.
    The one sent to destroy earth was Galactus like, he just goes around destroying planets.

    “Don’t remember this? I just remember Odin mentioning something about Thor? Which issue, do you know?”
    During the “God-bomb”, during his final fight with Gorr.
    While Thor is duel-wielding the Mjolnirs, the caption box says something like “and at that moment, every god through time & space knew they were dying, and they all knew that there was one god fighting to save them”
    And then it says they all pray to Thor. Odin is the only one they actually show though, he’s on his knees and he says “become the God of Gods”

    “I guess, like I said, the thing with Gorr was more of a nod of what he could do when not holding back and less of an actual boost in power.”
    This is pretty much what i thought too.

    “do with the task ‘apparently’ being harder than dealing away with The Hulk actually, at least from what I got.”
    Well, purely going by feats here, i think Hulk would be stronger thn Godzilla. Like a lot stronger.

    “Have you been keeping up with the New Avengers? Really want to see the Great Society(Justice League)go up against the Squadron Supreme(Justice League).”

    Funnily enough, i was thinking of suggesting a: new52 Justice League vs Marvel Now Avengers
    Was gunna split it into 2 scenarios, the first only includes earth based heroes (with certain people banned)
    The second includes all Earth based heroes & cosmic heroes who would have a reason to defend earth (Nova, Thor, Green/Red lanterns)

  88. Ragnorke July 14, 2014 at 2:40 pm -      #88

    Well i just read the issue (& found the scans :D)
    So major spoilers!

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111152067/3908236-thor+-+god+of+thunder+022-021.jpg
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    dorkforty.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/ribic-all-black-the-necro-thor.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102593/3912387-0+%2811%29.jpg
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    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102593/3912390-0+%2821%29.jpg

    So… Necro Thor is now a thing?
    He looks incredibly badass, and owned Galactus like he was nothing. Interested to see where this is going.

  89. Ranger Lowk July 14, 2014 at 3:10 pm -      #89

    “Interested to see where this is going.”

    Isn’t that the end of the arc though? He beat roxxon so he won’t be fucking up the planet and Old Thor starts to revive the planet in the future.

  90. Ragnorke July 14, 2014 at 3:21 pm -      #90

    “Isn’t that the end of the arc though? He beat roxxon so he won’t be fucking up the planet and Old Thor starts to revive the planet in the future.”

    King Thor is likely to keep making appearances though. And there was the Galactus cliff hanger thing.
    The rivalry isn’t over.

    I like how the Sword IS his arm, kinda like prototype 😀

  91. Parry Boy July 14, 2014 at 3:25 pm -      #91

    @Ragnorke
    *whispers*
    Cole MacGrath…

  92. Ranger Lowk July 14, 2014 at 4:24 pm -      #92

    “I like how the Sword IS his arm, kinda like prototype”
    *whispers*
    Cole MacGrath…”

    lol

    I am kind of intrested when he’s going to get the Destoryer Arm.

  93. Ragnorke July 14, 2014 at 4:45 pm -      #93

    “I am kind of intrested when he’s going to get the Destoryer Arm.”

    His arm gets really badly burnt during his final fight in Uncanny Avengers, but that entire arc got retconned i think.

  94. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 15, 2014 at 2:55 am -      #94

    “He had the celestial slaying axe, the one the Apocalypse twins used.”

    Right, that’s why I’m sure give anyone else that axe(like Sentry or Hyperion or Blue Marvel, or pretty much everyone in that level)they could’ve done it.
    =
    “He had the celestial slaying axe, the one the Apocalypse twins used.”

    I know, but he was using their armor or something I thought. I have to go read the Onslaught series again….
    =
    “I think the sky-fathers were dead at the time, and Hercules can’t really keep up with Thor.”

    Whaaa… I’m sure Zeus could’ve done better against the Celestial… Have you been keeping up with Uncanny Avengers? Because I don’t want to accidentally spoil it again…
    =
    “You… YOU..!!!!”

    *keeps walking away whistling nervously*
    =
    “They killed a much smaller/weaker Celestial.
    The one sent to destroy earth was Galactus like, he just goes around destroying planets.”

    Aren’t all Celestials>Galactus though? I always get confused with the cosmic hierarchy crap…
    =
    “During the “God-bomb”, during his final fight with Gorr.
    While Thor is duel-wielding the Mjolnirs, the caption box says something like ‘and at that moment, every god through time & space knew they were dying, and they all knew that there was one god fighting to save them’
    And then it says they all pray to Thor. Odin is the only one they actually show though, he’s on his knees and he says ‘become the God of Gods'”

    Uh, okay, yea I do remember that. No, clue how I missed that…
    =
    “Well, purely going by feats here, i think Hulk would be stronger thn Godzilla. Like a lot stronger.”

    Yea, I think there’s only a few feats(like the one with Thor)that even put him around that level.
    =
    “Funnily enough, i was thinking of suggesting a: new52 Justice League vs Marvel Now Avengers”

    Yea, I wonder if composite and extra teams of Justice League and Avengers. So the JL would get the Justice Society, JL Dark, JL International, and whatever else they have on top of the original team and Avengers would get Uncanny Avengers, Pet Avengers, Young Avengers and the other teams they have on top of the original Avengers.

    Sounds like it’d be a good match. Still wondering what’d be a good match for N52 Earth and Marvel Earth(probably be a combination of some other universes honestly. Maybe Asura’s Wrath with some other stuff).
    =
    “Well i just read the issue (& found the scans :D)”

    There’s more than that, I do believe.
    =
    “So… Necro Thor is now a thing?”

    O, there’s more. 😉
    =
    “And there was the Galactus cliff hanger thing.”

    Yea, but at this point I doubt King Thor can do crap to Galactus now…
    =
    “His arm gets really badly burnt during his final fight in Uncanny Avengers, but that entire arc got retconned i think.”

    Uhm, how far are you in Uncanny Avengers?

  95. Commander Cross July 15, 2014 at 3:15 am -      #95

    Asura can duke it out with 616 Thor without getting mutilated all over the place, some of the Wheel of Time fans’ site branch may testify.
    That said I don’t see him solo-ing this matter, and if 616 SS Strange gets in play, I might have quite a few individuals who could duke it out with him or his own Rogues’ Gallery if you’d include them.

    ___

    Is Space Godzilla vs Hirudegarn a fair fight?

  96. Parry Boy July 15, 2014 at 3:24 am -      #96

    @Cross
    Oh, I would only think of Professor Zoom.
    ————-
    By some reason yes, and no

  97. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 15, 2014 at 4:44 am -      #97

    “Asura can duke it out with 616 Thor without getting mutilated all over the place, ”

    I know, that’s why I thought the entire Asura’s Wrathverse might be able to stand up against the combined might of N52 and Marvel Earth. Considering Asura would also have to go up against people like Hal Jordan, Hyperion, Supes, Captain Marvel(Marvel), Captain Marvel(DC), Blue Marvel, Martian Manhunter, Sentry(not sure if they’re bringing him back or not)and Wonder Woman(would’ve put Hulk down, but too slow)as well as Thor, I’m sure the other characters would help out quite a bit.

    Although I don’t know if they have ways to deal with some of the more hax from both verses(admittedly I’ve never played the game, much to my sorrow, because it looks amazing!). That’s why I’m assuming they’d need another verse to deal with some of the haxness of the two Earths.

  98. Sauroposeidon July 15, 2014 at 9:21 am -      #98

    “is it okay to imagine that Thor got more powerful than he was shown to be when he last fought Godzilla at the time”

    Some second rate Avengers with Iron Man run in to him after he’s been mutated and get spanked. Knowing he can’t be defeated, Iron Man pretty much resorts to this. There’s no reason Thor can’t. He just doesn’t think to do it. He tries to fight Godzilla head on in their fight and gets shown why that’s a bad idea.

    Iron Man picked Godzilla up and flew him out to sea. Although it was an older model suit, don’t remember which. Apparently he doesn’t upgrade them or keep them in repair because it lost power over the ocean from this act and he had to bail from it.

    “Is Space Godzilla vs Hirudegarn a fair fight?”

    I don’t thin that Hildegarn is smart enough to figure out how to beat Space Godzilla, and his psychic powers make Hildegarn’s teleport kind of useless.

    “We should still be trying to use the main canon though, even if it is confusing like that. ”

    There is no “Main Canon.” Which is why it’s very, very, very important to specify which Godzilla is being used.

  99. Sauroposeidon July 15, 2014 at 9:29 am -      #99

    Oh and..

    “Because fucking PIS. There’s more to Thor thn “physical strength””

    You need to learn how to differentiate between PiS and CiS, Ragnorke. I think that is your biggest weakness in this entire discussion. You can’t seem to separate these two things.

  100. Ragnorke July 15, 2014 at 11:15 am -      #100

    “You need to learn how to differentiate between PiS and CiS, Ragnorke. I think that is your biggest weakness in this entire discussion. You can’t seem to separate these two things.”

    If you have read ANY of the more recent Thor comics, you would know exactly what Thors CIS is.
    It pretty much goes like this: “I’m giving you one chance to surrender. If you do not, i will kill you.”
    He doesn’t care how big of a threat the enemy is, he tries his best to kill it if it cannot be negotiated with.
    His CIS isn’t what holds him back, the plot does.
    Which is PIS.

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