Unholy Triple Alliance

Unholy Triple Alliance

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The Forerunners (Halo), Imperium of Man (Warhammer 40K) and Palpatine’s Galactic Empire (Star Wars) have found themselves in a merged super-galaxy.

They have allied themselves with one another and stand united.

What civilization without the use of time travel can defeat this unholy Triple Alliance?

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316 Comments on "Unholy Triple Alliance"

  1. trexalfa July 12, 2014 at 4:11 pm -      #201

    Further adding to the Culture, Effectors can reprogram almost anything. The Minds could use it to reprogram Stormtroopers, Prometheans, Space Marines… from light years away into serving it. Or it could simply shut off their brains. The same can be said about weapons and ships. Effectors are some of the most powerful hax things in Sci Fi.

    @Epic

    Mass Effect couldn’t take on this Alliance. Ever. Not even with all the cycles because, even when the numbers are overwhelming, the tech is EXACTLY the same. The Forerunners’ Ancillas are far more advanced than any Reaper too. The Forerunners are the biggest threat in the alliance, I must say.

  2. Darth Bombad July 13, 2014 at 8:22 pm -      #202

    Many things from Star Gate can take them, Asgard, The Ancients,
    (any version) Replicators etc.

    Andromeda might be a good mach, at their hight The Systems Commonwealth
    controlled three galaxy’s, and could casually destroy stars and planets.
    That would be a pretty tough fight for the Unholy Alliance.

    And as for the weak link, i’d put the GE above the IOM, even in their nerfed state.
    But thats just my opinion…and it might be a little biased LoL,

  3. Tyran July 14, 2014 at 4:10 pm -      #203

    I doubt the Asurans can take them, they only have what? 100 ships?.

  4. Octavian@146 July 15, 2014 at 6:41 pm -      #204

    @Darth Bombad

    The Asgard lost to the Replicators, who the Forerunners beat out in production. The Ancients lost to the Wraith. Who the Forerunners beat out in everything. The Replicators only win because they will overwhelm the Forerunners after eating the IOM and GE. Otherwise the Ecumene’s a.i., esoteric tech, and antimatter weapons, as well as casual supernovae will eliminate them. Asurans don’t even stand a chance. Forerunner weapons sit well into the gigaton range. They are more than a match for everything but the Ascended.

    As for who can beat them. Daleks, Timelords, Culture, The Flood, The Blight.. comic verse nonsense…. etc.

  5. Octavian@146 July 15, 2014 at 7:33 pm -      #205

    @TheSorrows

    They aren’t equivalent at all. One is an alternate dimension that is implied to be multi-versal, and is regulated and shaped by thoughts and emotions.

    The other is, as per Halsey’s journal and First strike. A space-time composed of 11 higher dimensions that runs parallel to real space.

    Warp = 1 dimension or Universe
    Slispace = 11 higher alternate dimensions separate from realspace.

    Warp ≠ Slipspace

  6. MasterchiefQr July 16, 2014 at 9:51 am -      #206

    The Precursors could or the Xeelee beat them without time travels and so on and so on or if it’s allowed the older and more advance Forerunner civ that beat the Precursors (some how) in the Milky way and Path kethona. I believe they used ship based nural weapons or they could not EVEN ATTEMPT TO WIN.

  7. MasterchiefQr July 16, 2014 at 9:55 am -      #207

    Also I would still put forward the Ancient/prehistoric Human- San ‘Shyuum alliance. The Didact even admitted that they had weapons the Forerunners could not counter and if it wasn’t for the flood and them being cut off they would have put up a longer and stronger war against them. Also why not add in the Flood?

  8. OberHerr July 16, 2014 at 9:58 am -      #208

    Putting all three major Ancient Halo factions into one faction at full strength would be interesting…

  9. MasterchiefQr July 16, 2014 at 9:59 am -      #209

    Exactly. instant win. I hope.

  10. Tyran July 16, 2014 at 10:34 am -      #210

    @MasterchiefQr

    The Ancient/prehistoric Human- San ‘Shyuum alliance never had any hope of beating the Forerunners. Yeah they had some very powerful weapons, but the Forerunners outnumbered and outmaneuvered easily.

    The Silentium Flood should have no problem against this alliance, as nothing the IoM or the GE adds will help against the Neural Physic hax,

  11. MasterchiefQr July 17, 2014 at 4:57 am -      #211

    @Tyran
    But they still posed a treat and what about the Ancient Forerunners they would probably pose a huge treat to all of them. possible win?

  12. Tyran July 17, 2014 at 10:25 am -      #212

    The Ancient Humans were to the Forerunners what the Japanese were to the US in WW2, a treat, but one that never had any hope of winning a war, the difference in infrastructure and size was to great.

    We don’t know much about the Ancient Forerunners, they had better control over the Slipspace, but they still relied on digital means to store information.

  13. captain napalm July 17, 2014 at 8:57 pm -      #213

    Somebody asked this on page 2:
    “How about Saint Seiya?”

    As long as you include the high-tiers with ridiculous space flight feats, then yeah. Any God Cloth Saint or actual Olympian god in that series can fly across the universe in minutes, and put out attacks more powerful than the Big Bang (hell, they have intergalactic range, too, if Thanatos is any indication, and he’s pretty weak compared to a God Cloth Saint). I mean…maybe the Emperor could mindrape them or something, but I don’t know, they’ve got some experience fighting hax mind-powers…

    Really, between gods and God Cloths as mentioned above, and then all the hax abilities the Gold Saints tend to have (people like Shaka and Saga in particular), SS should at least have a decent shot at taking this.


    Somebody else also asked if “one gurren lagann” could do it…depends, again. TTGL has a wildly varied power scale. One robot can be anything from just “a big, kinda unwieldy robot” to “a monster that throws galaxies around with ease”.

  14. MasterchiefQr July 18, 2014 at 9:50 am -      #214

    @Tyran
    “they still relied on digital means to store information.”

    Year that’s probably because they didn’t want future generations of Forerunners finding out about what they did to the Precursors. Also want has that got to do with anything. I believe that more info on this is in the encyclopedia.
    www.halopedia.org/Forerunner
    Read the whole thing and then make a decision on why.
    Anyways where is your evidence that the Forerunners could out maneuver them?

  15. MasterchiefQr July 18, 2014 at 9:54 am -      #215

    Also just because they may not beat the Forerunners then how would they do against the others. Galactic empire is lower then them anyway. don’t know about the IoM. :(

  16. MasterchiefQr July 18, 2014 at 9:58 am -      #216

    “Japanese were to the US in WW2, a treat, but one that never had any hope of winning a war.”
    What about Vietnam. No way to win? But of course they did. No offence but the UK always has to step in and help your sorry asses but that’s a debate for another time.

  17. jackn8r July 18, 2014 at 11:10 am -      #217

    I recall WW2 being the other way around with all the loaned arms and vehicles and sending of much needed troops to Europe. After Pearl Harbor (at which point America was undoubtedly going to join the allies) Churchill even said “So we have won after all” in reference to America joining.
    More context, he actually said this:
    To have the United States at our side was to me the greatest joy. Now at this very moment I knew the United States was in the war, up to the neck and in to the death. So we had won after all!…Hitler’s fate was sealed. Mussolini’s fate was sealed. As for the Japanese, they would be ground to powder.
    You’re not exactly correct…at all.

  18. OberHerr July 18, 2014 at 1:18 pm -      #218

    Yeah, most people don’t realize that as soon as the US joined and D-Day happened, Germany was basically bound to lose.

    Same with the Japanese after they failed to take out our Carriers, oil reserves and dry docks at Pearl Harbor.

    Not to say the war wasn’t bloody and hard fought, but it wasn’t really that close. It just took time, which sadly meant a lot of people died.

  19. Darth Bombad July 18, 2014 at 8:55 pm -      #219

    @Octavian@146
    And the Forerunners lost to the Flood, your point being?.
    It’s been well established that the Ancients trump the Forerunners.
    And i don’t see the IOM or even my beloved GE adding much.

    So i reiterate many things in Stargate can win.

  20. OberHerr July 18, 2014 at 9:44 pm -      #220

    Genuinely asking here, what makes Stargate so good? I mean….seriously what?

    And losing to the Flood isn’t something to be ashamed of….arguable the Flood could beat the Culture if it was got a big enough foothold.

  21. Darth Bombad July 18, 2014 at 10:44 pm -      #221

    Ridiculously fast FTL, they can travel between galaxies in hours or in
    one case seconds!!!. Plus insanely powerful weapons, shields etc.

    Mastery over time and space, unlimited energy production, plus the ability
    to convert energy into matter, giving them functionally infinite resources.

    And finally they can ascend to become literal gods.
    Stargate can be super OP Hax, it takes alot to challenge them.

  22. OberHerr July 18, 2014 at 10:58 pm -      #222

    That’ll do it. :P

  23. jackn8r July 18, 2014 at 11:57 pm -      #223

    “Replicators, who the Forerunners beat out in production. ”

    This is completely false.

  24. Darth Bombad July 19, 2014 at 2:40 am -      #224

    @jackn8r
    Very false!, Replicators out produce everyone, it’s kinda their whole thing.

  25. Tyran July 19, 2014 at 11:23 am -      #225

    Anyways where is your evidence that the Forerunners could out maneuver them?

    The Forerunners shut down human Slipspace, they forced humans to fight at STL speeds.

    What about Vietnam. No way to win? But of course they did.

    Because, for political reasons, the US couldn’t bombard Vietnam into dust. The Forerunners aren’t going to have that problem.

    Mastery over time and space, unlimited energy production, plus the ability
    to convert energy into matter, giving them functionally infinite resources.”


    That one is also true for the Forerunners. While the Ancients have better time manipulation, the Forerunners have better energy production and space manipulation. All the Forerunner tech, even their coffee machines, uses functioning Arcturus devices.

    Also the Forerunners built in scales no one in SG except the Replicators can match.

    So i reiterate many things in Stargate can win.

    The Ancients, the Replicators, the Asgard and any Ascended being ofc, but aside of them the rest is smashed.

  26. jackn8r July 19, 2014 at 12:39 pm -      #226

    What about time dilation? Isn’t SG superior to FR in that regard as well?

  27. OberHerr July 19, 2014 at 1:14 pm -      #227

    Forerunner time dilation is pretty hax…like where they can make billions of years pass by in a few seconds.

  28. jackn8r July 19, 2014 at 1:43 pm -      #228

    Quote of billions of years in a few seconds?

    I recall SG TD being 50 years for every ~0.8 seconds. So maybe I’m way off here.

  29. OberHerr July 19, 2014 at 2:08 pm -      #229

    I’ll look for it, but the context is the Didact kills the first Gravemind by making the prison he is in….dilate? Basically he makes at least a billion years go by in a few seconds.

  30. erickyboo July 19, 2014 at 2:19 pm -      #230

    Such coincidence. My book opened at the passage where that happens.

    “Let your life race ahead,” the Didact said. “You were made to survive deep time, but now it ill arrive all at once. No more sweetness, no more lies! Let a billion years pass in endless silence and isolation….”
    He checked on his fury an doubled over, contorted in his own agony, his own awareness of a great crime was about to be committed-and another crime avenged.
    The mesh held in the inverse of a stasis field, the perverse of a timelock. Above the platform, the light assumed a harsh, biting quality. The Captive’s mouthparts vanished in. Blur, and then, abruptly; stilled. Its gray surface crazed with thousands of fine cracks. Limb after limb fell away. The torso split and collapsed, puffing out a much larger dusty cloud-all confabs within the perimeter of the mesh nd its field.
    The head split down the middle and the two faceted eyes lay for a moment atop a pile of shards and cascading gray dust, hen slumped inward until only broken facets remained. They glitter I the dead blue light. The dust became fiery and fiery, and then-everything stopped.
    We watched in silence.
    Total entropy ha been reached.
    The Didact knelt and pounded his great fist on the pathway. It is never easy to judge and execute a god.

  31. OberHerr July 19, 2014 at 2:22 pm -      #231

    There you go.

  32. jackn8r July 19, 2014 at 2:25 pm -      #232

    What the hell? Total entropy in a billion years? That makes no sense.

    So we aren’t given a time frame here really, but yeah it definitely is more potent that SG time dilation.

    But has it been used similarly by Forerunners for production means?

  33. OberHerr July 19, 2014 at 3:14 pm -      #233

    Not that we know of, but they do have the Dyson Spheres, one of which was big enough to house the entirety of humanity and still have more room. Those entire things can time dilate too.

  34. OberHerr July 19, 2014 at 3:27 pm -      #234

    Also, I should add that the Gravemind in that instance was a Precursor, and as such likely had a really long life span.

  35. Darth Bombad July 19, 2014 at 7:51 pm -      #235

    @Tyran
    We should probably take this over to Ancients vs. Forerunners, but…

    “All the Forerunner tech, even their coffee machines, uses
    functioning Arcturus devices.”

    Proof?, cause that sounds like a whole lot of hyperbole to me.

    And since they freely create worm holes, can phase shift
    entire planets, and have true faster than light travel,
    I’d give the Ancients a slight edge in space manipulation.

    And america did freely bomb vietnam, with nappalm and chemicals
    and other highly illegal things.

  36. Tyran July 19, 2014 at 11:30 pm -      #236

    @Darth Bombad

    Here is a quote from Silentium.

    As the reflective orb rotates beneath my ship, I see also the outstretched, feather-like plumes of vacuum energy pylons, drawing in the potential of an infinity of alternate realities … aborting untold numbers of nascent universes to supply Requiem’s power. Strange that these cosmic deaths have never before struck me as cruel and futile. All of Forerunner technology has been made possible by drawing down vacuum energy. My own life, all that I know, arises out of cosmic predation.

    And since they freely create worm holes, can phase shift
    entire planets, and have true faster than light travel,
    I’d give the Ancients a slight edge in space manipulation.


    The Forerunners, while don’t use real wormholes, use their portals, which are bigger and have similar capacities. If you played Halo 3, you may remember the big portal to the Ark.

    As for phase shift, the Forerunners can hide planets and even bigger structures in fractal dimensions. In Cryptum, the Didact’s Cryptum was protected by labyrinth made of space-time distortions. And in Primordium, there was a Forerunner train that could separate its occupants in several dimensions. In other words, it had different wagons occupying the same space.

    And america did freely bomb vietnam, with nappalm and chemicals
    and other highly illegal things.


    America didn’t turn Vietnam into a radioactive wasteland.

  37. OberHerr July 19, 2014 at 11:48 pm -      #237

    “And america did freely bomb vietnam, with nappalm and chemicals and other highly illegal things.”

    I just caught this.

    Wut? Illegal? I get that they such and shouldn’t be used unless necessary….but illegal?

  38. Darth Bombad July 20, 2014 at 1:43 am -      #238

    @Ober
    The rest of the world agreed that napalming civilians was wrong.
    But good ole Murica refused, for years they fought for their right!!…

    To fire bomb babies, arbrealettres.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/vietnam_napalm.jpg?w=800

    Not until the Obama administration decades later!!, did they finally
    agree to make the acts of terrorism they committed in Nam illegal.

    It’s sounds harsh but it’s true, they attacked civilians using chemical
    weapons and explosives with the sole purpose of spreading fear,
    intimidation, and threats to force their agenda on the rest of the world.

    The very definition of terrorism, fortunately that’s all behind us. as they
    seem serious about developing less than lethal, low impact weapons.

    Pheww! heavy political rant over… back to debating comic books!!. :)

  39. jackn8r July 20, 2014 at 5:09 pm -      #239

    All wars involve killing innocent civilians. That’s the point of total war – the idea that even civilians are part of the war effort for either side. The killing of civilians in wars has always been around and will continue to be one way or another (meaning through napalm, guns, firebombs, whatever method. Take your pick.)

  40. OberHerr July 20, 2014 at 6:01 pm -      #240

    Yeah, frankly people always overlook that often the only difference between an enemy combatant and a civilian is a weapon.

    In Vietnam, the eighteen to twenty something kids who were thrown in to a completely different country, which for generations had being doing close to non-stop guerrilla warfare.(the French, Korea, Japanese, French again, then the U.S.)

    Their impression was that they were fighting for the people of South Vietnam. But then the Tet Offensive happened, and then all those soldiers had no goddamn clue who they were fighting for. Old ladies killed soldiers, children killed soldiers. Some of the Viet Cong’s best snipers were women. Which is why I can totally see why things like My Lai Massacre could happen.

    Viet Cong also had a habit of making it seem like villages were shooting at a passing river boat so the soldiers would attack.

    Basically, war rarely cares for our lofty moral standards, and often times in order to win or survive, we have to dirty our hands. Does it suck? Yeah. But its a reality.

  41. MasterchiefQr July 21, 2014 at 9:02 am -      #241

    @Tyran

    “We don’t know much about the Ancient Forerunners, they had better control over the Slipspace, but they still relied on digital means to store information.”
    I will post some info I have together later. It may shine some light on them.
    Also what about an alliance of the aliens form skyline and the Ceph stage 3 from crysis that would be like an advance version of the flood. Hope this helps. :)

  42. MasterchiefQr July 21, 2014 at 9:05 am -      #242

    The reason i mentioned Vietnam is because I am and many, many others are sick and tired of Americans bragging that they “can beat every one”.

  43. MasterchiefQr July 21, 2014 at 9:14 am -      #243

    “It’s sounds harsh but it’s true, they attacked civilians using chemical
    weapons.”

    2 words AGENT ORANGE.

    Just say’in.

  44. MasterchiefQr July 21, 2014 at 9:55 am -      #244

    Ancient Forerunner feats.
    Technology:
    “Some Builders believed, as an article of faith, that Forerunners had once possessed superior technologies long since lost.”
    Every thing the current Forerunners can do.
    Probability mirrors. Also a slipspace anchor.
    Clocking veil that hid the interior of a whole star system. (Lasted 10million years unaffected).
    Changing a planets ecosystem to be of only Forerunner physiology and DNA with near no type natural evolution or sudden changes in the geology of the planet, with little seismic activity and an odd biosphere in possibly only a few years.
    Weapons:
    “ We had no idea what sort of arms they had once carried.”
    (Although the above is true it can be inferred what weapons they had.)
    “ Many more star roads had been strung around the inner system, forming a great web – but with substantial gaps, deletions where automatic adjustments had not sufficed, where not even Precursor technology could correct the chaotic imbalances, and the web had crumbled”.
    (This analysis from the Librarian is somewhat inaccurate as Precursor structures could not be broken with any known Universal change/event. Only neural weapons such as the Halo arrays pulse could. Greg Bear also hints at this with the words deletions and crumbled, as in crumble and disappear/delete just like the structures on Charum Hakkor.)
    It’s likely due to this ^ they were using Neural based weapons along with Hardlight and possibly other more advanced weaponry.
    Notes:
    Halopedia and Halo Silentium.
    “It was believed by some Builders that the Forerunners had possessed more advanced technologies in their distant past that they had later lost during periods of technological regression. This was at least partially true, as demonstrated by ten-million-year-old Forerunner probability mirrors, used for large-scale spacetime reconciliation, and similarly ancient cloaking technology used to obfuscate the interior of an entire star system in the Large Magellanic Cloud.”
    Its possible that the Liberian had forgotten, or more likely not known about the damage a Halo had caused to Charum Hakkor. This would explain why she would think that a mere planetary movement could destroy the web of Star Roads and not a neural weapon of some sort. This is also backed up by the fact that the Librarian had not found out about the Forerunner-Precursor war yet and would not have expected such weapons to exist or be used in this way.
    The use of Neural weapons would also make sense to why they were able to kill the Precursors and why there weren’t any Precursor ships and the fact that there was no life in the entire galaxy of Path Kethona. Excluding the one planet full of regressed Forerunners. This would also make sense out of how the crew of the ships disappeared. They could have had hand held neural weapons such as a neural pistol or neural rifle used to execute the Forerunners who opposed the extermination of the Precursors and allow the Forerunners to commit suicide after what they had done. This would be backed up by this quote from Halopedia “the Forerunners who travelled to Path Kethona never returned to the Milky Way, as they were unable to bear the burden of what they had done. Those who defied their commanders and invoked the Mantle were either executed or exiled on a barren planet and would later remain as the only Forerunner survivors of the fleet that conducted the extermination campaign at Path Kethona.”
    Neural hand held and vehicle mounted weapons would also allow for the extermination of the other races in the Galaxy and the Precursors who lived on the planets in most if not all of Path Kethona.

  45. MasterchiefQr July 21, 2014 at 9:57 am -      #245

    There you go. :) cool) .

  46. jackn8r July 21, 2014 at 11:29 am -      #246

    “The reason i mentioned Vietnam is because I am and many, many others are sick and tired of Americans bragging that they “can beat every one”.”

    The thing is though, a US with total support and total involvement can.
    www.vice.com/read/we-asked-a-military-expert-if-the-whole-world-could-conquer-the-united-states
    4.bp.blogspot.com/-RchNi8pWdhc/Te-CiEeRXkI/AAAAAAAAABA/NRf0m-4dvvE/s1600/1307473767392.gif

    “2 words AGENT ORANGE.
    Just say’in.”

    What exactly are you saying? Because if you read we already covered this.

    So having not played Halo 4 I’m in a little bit of the dark. What is the state of current Forerunner incarnation? Or most recent capable of fighting?

  47. OberHerr July 21, 2014 at 11:54 am -      #247

    Not too impressive. The Didact is still alive, and maybe the Lirbrarian, but no one else I believe. Though we know now they have a shit ton of left-over tech lying around everywhere, and Halo, if it united, does has the ability to get that stuff.

    @MasterchiefQr
    Like I said, its a harsh reality of war. Terrible stuff happens. And Agent Orange was a chemical that just wasn’t though out period. Lots of Vietnam Vets later medical conditions and deaths have recently been attributed to it. Lots of Vietnamese also died from it, and had genetic problems later. It was more a case of a stupid solution to a simple problem.

    But, I digress.

  48. Tyran July 21, 2014 at 2:54 pm -      #248

    Also what about an alliance of the aliens form skyline and the Ceph stage 3 from crysis that would be like an advance version of the flood. Hope this helps. :)

    Skyline Aliens die, I don’t see how the can threaten the alliance, but I don’t know much about the Ceph.

  49. OberHerr July 21, 2014 at 2:59 pm -      #249

    Ceph aren’t too impressive either. Both die horribly. NEXT!

  50. Centurion-A001 July 21, 2014 at 3:47 pm -      #250

    Downstreamers, Culture, Xeelee, Photino Birds, Time Lords, Daleks, Great Race of Yith, The Ancients, the Ori, the Replicators, the Vorlons (maybe), the Palanians, the Q Continuum, Species 8472, the Borg, the Ellimist, the Crayak, the Celestials, the Anti-Spirals, and even Humans in several universes. The list goes on.

  51. erickyboo July 22, 2014 at 1:39 am -      #251

    There are more forerunners than just Ur-Didact alive. There is a Catalog Unit for instance.

    “A Catalog unit, having been dormant for 100,000 years after the firing of the Halo Array, resumed its duties on November 7, 2552, after receiving and denying a control authorization supposedly sent by the Librarian. After his awakening in July 2557, the Ur-Didact repeatedly contacted Catalog and asked to take control of the ecumene; Catalog rejected these requests. This prompted Catalog to resume its investigative protocols. Over the course of the investigation, Catalog accessed a number of UNSC and ONI data networks to gain information about the current state of the galaxy.”

    It used Mars’s terminal. So there is Catalog. There are also the forerunners who survived the war.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOpJkmFohaI

    About using the accelerated time for production… there is a feat about that… it comes from ONI. They grew crops in a really short time and grew cattle I think too. On shield world 006.

  52. 69sensei69 July 22, 2014 at 5:54 am -      #252

    how can America win if there so fat!
    I should know because I’m Chinese look at what shit we eat you would be out of breath before you get a chance to fight us at least our food is healthy.

  53. MasterchiefQr July 22, 2014 at 6:00 am -      #253

    @jackn8r
    LOL Murica vs the world? lol i can’t stop laughing.

    @OberHerr
    “Ceph aren’t too impressive either. Both die horribly.”
    What? they own over two galaxies countless hive worlds and tech that can possibly rival the Ancient Humans. They have millions of 400 km long (standard) warships and can one shot planets. But these Ceph don’t compare with the Home world Ceph in their home galaxy of M33/Triangulum. they also are able to mass replicate and improve on any tech they encounter.

    as for the Skyline aliens they have self repairing ships and once they take your brain they know all you know. they also have hypnotic blue teleportaiton lights.

    Oh i said agent orange just cus.

  54. MasterchiefQr July 22, 2014 at 6:08 am -      #254

    crysis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Ceph_Warship
    crysis.wikia.com/wiki/Ceph_Spaceship
    crysis.wikia.com/wiki/Ceph_Warrior
    forums.spacebattles.com/threads/speculation-how-powerful-are-the-ceph.249226/
    ^ Just raed trough the pages.
    forums.spacebattles.com/threads/quantifying-the-ceph.290818/
    forums.spacebattles.com/threads/speculation-on-the-ceph.253625/
    crysis.wikia.com/wiki/Ceph
    crysis.wikia.com/wiki/Alpha_Ceph
    crysis.wikia.com/wiki/Ceph_Mastermind
    aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Skyline_aliens
    io9.com/5687922/hydras-drones-and-tankers-the-inside-scoop-on-skylines-alien-shock-troops

  55. MasterchiefQr July 22, 2014 at 6:13 am -      #255

    @69sensei69
    LOL.

  56. MasterchiefQr July 22, 2014 at 6:25 am -      #256

    crysis.wikia.com/wiki/Ceph_Homeworld
    crysis.wikia.com/wiki/Galaxy_M33

    Is this enough info? :) .

  57. MasterchiefQr July 22, 2014 at 6:29 am -      #257

    astropixels.com/galaxies/M33-01.html
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangulum_Galaxy
    messier.seds.org/m/m033.html
    www.space.com/25585-triangulum-galaxy.html
    www.constellation-guide.com/triangulum-galaxy-messier-33/

    Most of the smaller galaxies are controlled by the Ceoh and possibly parts of the Milky way and Andromeda.

    Phww! Thats a lot of links.
    Happy reading. :) .

  58. Tyran July 22, 2014 at 9:29 am -      #258

    Yeah, I had heard weird thinks about the True Ceph. But we don’t know enough about them to properly debate.

    as for the Skyline aliens they have self repairing ships and once they take your brain they know all you know. they also have hypnotic blue teleportaiton lights.

    Because that is going to help against a force made mostly of machines…”roll eyes”. And their ships are going to be disintegrated, no self repairing from that.

  59. captain napalm July 22, 2014 at 9:50 am -      #259

    As expected, no responses to my Saint Seiya post. Small fandoms don’t do too well.

    (I mean, I did mention Gurren Lagann, which is more well-known, but I only briefly mentioned it and “one insanely powerful giant robot” =/= “a civilisation” anyway.


    EDIT: Wow, the above looks attention-seeking in hindsight. Sorry about that. Ignore if you want, I guess.

  60. OberHerr July 22, 2014 at 10:49 am -      #260

    The problem with the Ceph is they, from what we know, have absolutely shitty combat and space capabilites compared to anyone in this match-up. Or, hey, just the Forerunners. They took forever to just take Earth, modern day Earth for crying out loud.

  61. Ranger Lowk July 22, 2014 at 11:52 am -      #261

    “They took forever to just take Earth, modern day Earth for crying out loud.”

    To be fair they were earthborn and didn’t have all the stuff there big brothers(sister?) had, and in what 1-3 they developed stuff like atom edged blades and nuke absorbing shields. Think the Mastermind and alpha ceph are apparently closer what normal ceph would capable of. Think both showed tk, very high durability and one had enough energy to power earth and a weapon that at 5% could destroy earth.
    Stage three was apparently going to be a quick and hostile take over and they only beat that because deus ex machina.

  62. jackn8r July 22, 2014 at 12:21 pm -      #262

    I’m not going to respond more to the current state of military capabilities discussion. Numbers are numbers.

    This though:
    “how can America win if there so fat!”
    I’ve always wondered why other countries continually harp on this when USA dominates them in the Olympics continuously…

    “I should know because I’m Chinese look at what shit we eat you would be out of breath before you get a chance to fight us at least our food is healthy.”

    I think people from Beijing would be more out of breath..cause y’know the rampant air pollution and lung cancer.

  63. Ranger Lowk July 22, 2014 at 12:26 pm -      #263

    “I’ve always wondered why other countries continually harp on this when USA dominates them in the Olympics continuously…”

  64. Octavian@146 July 23, 2014 at 2:09 pm -      #264

    @Darth Bombard

    And the Forerunners lost to the Flood, your point being?.

    You realize that the Flood ballooned from only occupying 12 star systems to conquering the entire galaxy in at least 10 years, at most 20…

    That means the Flood needed to ftl jump to and infest between 410 – 820 worlds PER DAY. And that is only accounting for the 3,000,000 + Forerunner worlds and ignoring the 127 other sentient species favored by the Librarian.

    And they were throwing around jupiter to star system sized tangles of intergalactic razor wire.

    How is losing to that considered a bad thing?

    As for the Replicators outproducing the Forerunners… Shield 006 required the Forerunners to strip away a handful of Earth sized planets, every few days. They could build ships faster than the eye can follow….

    Yet the replicators, who had weeks or months in the MW under Repli-Carter could only muster a few dozen ships to attack Dakara? Yeah… outproducing the Forerunners right there…

    The rest has already been addressed, such as the Ancients failing to produce a function Arcturus Device, whereas the Forerunners devour proto-universes to heat their coffee.

    And Ancient shields may be dandy and all, but they’ve only ever been tested by barely Megaton level Wraith hive bolts. Whereas Forerunner ships throw around gigatons or higher… Or could just slipspace jump under a city ships shields…

  65. erickyboo July 23, 2014 at 2:25 pm -      #265

    Don’t use hyperbole such as heating forerunner’s coffee. Time speed up production has been witnessed in halo, ONI telling huragoks to do that stuff to make crops and cattle grow faster.

    As for current state on forerunners… well refer to halo VS mass effect.

  66. jackn8r July 23, 2014 at 4:17 pm -      #266

    “As for the Replicators outproducing the Forerunners… Shield 006 required the Forerunners to strip away a handful of Earth sized planets, every few days. They could build ships faster than the eye can follow….”

    Time dilation fields surrounding Replicators helps quite a bit.

  67. OberHerr July 23, 2014 at 5:02 pm -      #267

    Forerunners have superior Dilation though…

  68. jackn8r July 23, 2014 at 5:22 pm -      #268

    But it hasn’t been used to that effect (DIdact’s dilation) in a production setting nor has it been shown to be able to stretch to cover multiple planets.

  69. Tyran July 23, 2014 at 5:38 pm -      #269

    The interior of a Shield World can be time dilated.

  70. OberHerr July 23, 2014 at 5:47 pm -      #270

    Yeah, that was what I was referring to. And more specifically, the Dyson spheres. One of which can house all of humanity.

  71. Aelfinn July 23, 2014 at 5:56 pm -      #271

    What jackn8r might be getting at is that there might be unknown variables involved with the time dilation. What if you set it to 1000 years in three seconds, but whoops! Almost everything you made in that time has degraded, defeating the purpose entirely. What if Rampancy in the AI’s break out and they start breaking everything? What if the population has a plague or a rebellion? There’d be little way to monitor what happened inside, and it might not work out too well.

  72. OberHerr July 23, 2014 at 6:01 pm -      #272

    Um….we haven’t seen an issue with Forerunner constructs doing that with the exception of Flood induced. Guilty Spark was due to lowliness I believe.

    I mean, it’s not like they would set it to billions of years anyways. That’s overkill. Heck, they just need a few years to use up whatever the stockpiled anyways.

  73. pimpmage July 23, 2014 at 6:52 pm -      #273

    Hey guys, I just wanted to remind you that 40k has a sort of time/space door that enables you to travel back or forward in time, to wherever you direct the door. I brought it up and added screen shot quotes in that 2v1 match that included 40k. Forgot the name.

  74. OberHerr July 23, 2014 at 6:58 pm -      #274

    I know the Necrons, specifically Trayzn has one. A time machine that is.

  75. Octavian@146 July 23, 2014 at 11:01 pm -      #275

    @jackn8r

    Time dilation fields surrounding Replicators helps quite a bit.

    You mean that one time they merely coated the entire crust of a planet with replicator blocks and eventually evolved into human forms. Took them… How long?

    And for having time dilation fields surrounding them. They sure lost the ability to replicate –hurhurhur– that technology after the ship that carried the device was destroyed.

    Fascinating…

    Speaking of that ship… that single ship… They had an entire planet of replicator blocks and they had the ability to manipulate the time dilation device. Why didn’t build a fleet of ships capable of overwhelming the asgard and just turn the device off so they could attack. Could they only reverse it and not shut it down?

    Now, we can assume they hold an idiot ball, or that they have pretty obvious production limitations. They aren’t a walking no limits fallacy, or nothing in Stargate would exist anymore.

    For them to outproduce the Forerunner they would need to be able to construct fully functioning warships in minutes out or raw materials. I’ll refer to every episode where they don’t manage to do that as evidence, rather than getting specific.

    If someone is going to claim they can outproduce the Forerunners, then I need to be shown evidence that they can strip away an earth sized planet every 9 days for thousands of years, whilst also building 18 halo rings, 2 extra galactic facilities, and at least 458 smaller shield worlds.

    I don’t need to prove that the Replicators can’t produce more than that. I’m not making that claim.

  76. Glutinous-Bicarbonate July 24, 2014 at 12:36 am -      #276

    Where does the Earth sized planet every day figure come from again?

  77. Aelfinn July 24, 2014 at 12:51 am -      #277

    “Where does the Earth sized planet every day figure come from again?”

    I think it comes from the time they built the one super-massive structure in a relatively short period of time. (the one I calc’d where they could lose 10,000 ships a second for 10 years and replace them all in that time)
    Of course, that calc relies on a few things…not the least of which was that they built the object without actually getting the materials from somewhere, because lol fiction

  78. erickyboo July 24, 2014 at 1:45 am -      #278

    The forerunners do have the miners. Here is a miner installation.
    www.halopedia.org/X50
    Cryptum has a description of a forerunner ship. Maybe I should post it here.
    www.halopedia.org/Forerunner_mining_ship

    Guilty Spark also had compartmentalized memory. He was a human once.

  79. MasterchiefQr July 24, 2014 at 4:04 am -      #279

    @OberHerr
    “The problem with the Ceph is they, from what we know, have absolutely shitty combat and space capabilites compared to anyone in this

    match-up. ”
    UM ok if you don’t like the Ceph just say.
    But if your basing this on the fact that ark angle managed to destroy the Ceph war ship then you are wrong. That like saying that because

    Chief managed to blow up Mantles Approach with a nuke that the Forerunners are shit at space combat. The same is for the Halo ring. the

    only reason these things happen is because of plot. The most common excuse for this is a chain reaction. Mantles Approach for example only

    got blown up because of the whole UNSC forces were bearing down on it and there was a slip space portal underneth the composer whitch

    reacted when chief used the nuke, creating a chian reaction that equals a nuke/slip space bomb destroying the ship like the one in reach.

    The same was for the Halo and PoA. Anouther chain reaction that destroyed the ring. the Ceph warship was only half way out of the wormhole

    and was fireing it’s apparent main gun. Whith it’s shields down ironicaly there was a chian reaction from the maga-giga ton beam that

    destroyed the ship just as it was about to fire. It should also be noted that the Ceph did not expect this even possibal whith Humans be only

    moss and all compared to them.

    On a side note I think this sentece fits perfectly with the Ceph.
    “Cephs dedicated purely to warfare – to completely annihilate any and all species that stands in the Ceph’s way.”

    @Tyran
    “Because that is going to help against a force made mostly of machines”
    Fair point i concede.

    @captain napalm
    Sorry but I know less than nothing about Saint Seiya other than what you have said. They sound powerful though is there more info you could

    give?

    @jackn8r
    Just get over it, America loses badly i’m not even going to say why. Any one with common sence will know the answers and reasons why.

    Once you except this, I will agree with the following statement “I’m not going to respond more to the current state of military capabilities

    discussion. ”

    It’s not all about the military you know.
    >:)

    @Tyran
    “We don’t know enough about them to properly debate.”
    While true I do expect them to win or if not at least have a stalemate.

    “Reading through the space battles speculation pages”, The thought of a Ceph Halo ring though… uhm uhm hmmm.

    343 Guilty Spark Halo Annaversary -“Long plans indeed.”

    Are the Ancient Forerunners still up for debate? I hope so. :)

    As for an early post I meant to say 425 KM not 400. My bad.

    I also want to point out that the Ceph use advanced nano tech that can self regenerate like Forerunner ships do.

  80. Mr. happy July 24, 2014 at 4:39 am -      #280

    ‘The same was for the Halo and PoA. Anouther chain reaction that destroyed the ring. the Ceph warship was only half way out of the wormhole’

    A chain reaction did not destroy the Halo. The PoA’s explosion increased the stress on one section of the rotating ring, destabilizing it. The ring’s rotation tore it apart.

    ‘I also want to point out that the Ceph use advanced nano tech that can self regenerate like Forerunner ships do.’

    Forerunners use hard light to instantaneously repair ships. In fact, Forerunner ships like the Planet breaker the Didact was on largely consisted of hard light.

  81. MasterchiefQr July 24, 2014 at 5:08 am -      #281

    @Octavian@146
    correct replicators are out classed in production.
    who started the whole replicator superirority thing with them being better in mass production?

  82. MasterchiefQr July 24, 2014 at 5:37 am -      #282

    @Mr. happy

    “Forerunners use hard light to instantaneously repair ships. In fact, Forerunner ships like the Planet breaker the Didact was on largely consisted of hard light.”

    I already know this but what I am getting at is the fact that their are strong similarities between them. they also make perfect enemies as one wants to perfect all life and embrace them Mantle of responsibility and the other want total dominance over the universe by using force.

    ” The PoA’s explosion increased the stress on one section of the rotating ring, destabilizing it. The ring’s rotation tore it apart.”
    Thats still a chain reaction there buddy.

    more links
    ://crysis.wikia.com/wiki/Manhattan_Virus
    crysis.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Hunter
    crysis.wikia.com/wiki/Hunter
    img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130511191952/crysis/images/6/65/Ceph-Invading-Earth.jpg
    moa.omnimulti.com/Ceph_(Crysis)
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMZoLDBR9qI
    img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110409224050/crysis/images/1/1e/1ceph.jpg

    Ceph win if this tech is really 1-2 million years old.

  83. Darth Bombad July 24, 2014 at 6:18 am -      #283

    @Centurion-A001
    “the borg”

    No…just no, even in their nerfed state the Borg can’t beat Star Wars.
    but we won’t go into that old argument right now.

    However i Dare! any Trekkies to argue the Borg beat the Forerunners
    with all the HALO fans we have in this thread.
    Cause this is a Borg stomping i’ve been meaning to bring up.

  84. Octavian@146 July 24, 2014 at 8:34 am -      #284

    @Glutinous-Bicarbonate

    It comes from this.
    forums.spacebattles.com/threads/forerunner-feat-thread.236388/#post-8717755

  85. IamTaco July 24, 2014 at 9:05 am -      #285

    ‘Think both showed tk, very high durability and one had enough energy to power earth and a weapon that at 5% could destroy earth.’

    LOL nope. The 5% weapon that you talked about is the archangel and at 5% power it destroyed Manhattan. Not even kiloton level firepower there. Looked like a massive artillery strike. So at 100% you looking at a weapon that would barely reach into the kilotons. Kinda fitting considering that archangel was a human made weapon and that prophet wasn’t fried by the giga/tera/peta/zetaton backlash of the weapon firing. The whole planet destroying thing came of the back of the alpha ceph who packed enough energy to ‘destroy’ the earth if it itself got destroyed unleashing all of that energy in a explosive explosion.

    And the energy required to ‘destroy the earth’ is kinda loosely defined. You could do it with teraton firepower. It would destroy the entire planetary ecosystem and render a lot of species extinct. Which I guess could count as ‘destroying the earth. It could take petaton firepower which would turn of of earth’s surface into a barren wasteland. Or exaton firepower which would melt most of earth’s crust and blow off it’s atmosphere. Or zetaon firepower which would literally mass scatter the earth into a thousand pieces. Which is it? I highly doubt the last one.

    The forerunner kinda sorta have a similar feat in which a forerunner zoological vessel operating at a fraction of her reactor power manages to rip of a 343 kilometer long chunk of rock into deep space accidentally.

    ‘Ceph warship was only half way out of the wormhole and was firing it’s apparent main gun. Whith it’s shields down ironicaly there was a chain reaction from the maga-giga ton beam that destroyed the ship just as it was about to fire.’

    Mega/gigaton beam? Proof pls? At 5% power, the archangel weapon system managed what looked like a massive artillery strike. Impressive but nothing compared to the forerunner’s shielding that can shrug off point blank 30 megaton nukes within the ship itself. And proof that the ceph ship has shields? Or that they were down during the wormhole transit? Either way, it doesn’t matter. If it’s amour is so weak so as to go down to a couple of kiloton hits and it’s internal systems so horrible that this results in the whole thing going up in smoke just from having a tiny part of it’s amour compromised. Then either way they are no match for the forerunners who also have vastly superior FTL that don’t require long transit times that leaves the ship vulnerable during the trip. Not to mention that the ceph are sort of organic in nature and thus the halo will fuck up their shit.

  86. Ranger Lowk July 24, 2014 at 10:30 am -      #286

    “The forerunner kinda sorta have a similar feat in which a forerunner zoological vessel operating at a fraction of her reactor power manages to rip of a 343 kilometer long chunk of rock into deep space accidentally.”

    1 wasn’t comparing to forerunners.
    2 please tell that feat came after 343 took over.

  87. Octavian@146 July 24, 2014 at 10:56 am -      #287

    @Ranger Lowk
    2 please tell that feat came after 343 took over.


    Nope, when they activated the drive it ripped off the the planet down to the bedrock. High Charity’s dome is constructed over the bedrock foundation. The Keyship was landed back in the center before they sealed the dome up. The towers the San Shyumm live in are made out of volcanic rock carved right out of what the ship took.
    All from Contact harvest.

    I presume it actually just made a big slipspace portal and took the rock with it. But that would still really screw with a planet.

  88. MasterchiefQr July 25, 2014 at 4:00 am -      #288

    The Forerunners will ultimately lose due to a few reasons one such being this…
    “the Ceph have such advanced technology that can create practically anything they can think of, their sole interest is in the things they can’t think of” such as the Halo array. In theory they could create the rings to only target anything… not Ceph. I don’t they’d pass a chance like that. They could cleanse entire Galaxies of all opposing life forms and then colonize the still intact planets while copying and improving upon left over tech. Now imagine all the Forerunners greatest achievements turned against them but in a perfected manor that can only be used by the Ceph’s DNA. Their strategy’s used against them but improved upon and refined. The others wouldn’t even register as a threat if Forerunner tech was taken and improved as I have already stated. The warp and the Death stars may also be copied and greatly improved upon then used against their masters. And as for the stages… wow.

    They are also one of the few species able to defeat the Flood.
    “Would you like to see the relevant data?”

    If you like I can do a scenario. :)

  89. MasterchiefQr July 25, 2014 at 5:57 am -      #289

    The Forerunners will ultimately lose due to a few reasons one such being this…
    “the Ceph have such advanced technology that can create practically anything they can think of, their sole interest is in the things they can’t think of” such as the Halo array. In theory they could create the rings to only target anything… not Ceph. I don’t think they’d pass a chance like that. They could cleanse entire Galaxies of all opposing life forms and then colonize the still intact planets while copying and improving upon left over tech. Now imagine all the Forerunners greatest achievements turned against them but in a perfected manor that can only be used by the Ceph’s DNA. Their strategy’s used against them but improved upon and refined. The others wouldn’t even register as a threat if Forerunner tech was taken and improved as I have already stated. The warp and the Death stars may also be copied and greatly improved upon then used against their masters. And as for the stages… wow.

    They are also one of the few species able to defeat the Flood.
    “Would you like to see the relevant data?”

    If you like I can do a scenario. :)

  90. MasterchiefQr July 25, 2014 at 6:23 am -      #290

    Oops sos for the double post, tinternet acting up.

    @IamTaco
    “Mega/gigaton beam? Proof pls? At 5% power, the archangel weapon system managed what looked like a massive artillery strike.”
    It was being used at full power so probably megaton.

    “And proof that the ceph ship has shields? Or that they were down during the wormhole transit? Either way, it doesn’t matter. If it’s amour is so weak so as to go down to a couple of kiloton hits and it’s internal systems so horrible that this results in the whole thing going up in smoke just from having a tiny part of it’s amour compromised.”
    Every one of the Ceph’s heavy vehicle’s such as the seedships, the Hunters and the Warrior have shields. The Ceph weren’t expecting the Humans to have any chance at stopping them, expcially in space. Another reason the shields would be down was because of power requirements but it could be a mix of both. “it doesn’t matter”.
    As for them having weak armor. WHERE’S THE PROOF. I mean yes it did prove to be a week point but that was the main weapon and as I have said lead to a chain reaction that let the worm hole collapse straight through the middle of it.

    “long transit times that leaves the ship vulnerable during the trip.”
    There is no reason for it not leaving the wormhole but most likely they chose to stay in it for what ever reason. I guess will never know. Also like I said before they did not expect resistance.

  91. MasterchiefQr July 25, 2014 at 6:42 am -      #291

    The Ceph stage 2 show the ability to mimic and improve upon that which they find. Stage one will be a huge success as the Forerunners rediculous power will fuel alpha Ceph’s on every planet. Barren planets will be terraform to create hive worlds along with moons and any other planet they find. It will be quick and brutal as the Forerunners get out numbered and over taken while stage 3 shows up every where. The forerunners tech, tactics and biology will be used against them as their worlds are being cleansed, forced terraformed with the programable Ceph spores and frozen. Slip space copied and used against them to great effect while the over hives of the M33 Galaxy constantly keep spewing forth new tech and ships. The other Ceph in the other Galaxies serround them and stop any chance of exscape. Finally the Forerunners use the Halo’s and wipe out most of their civ while those who remain try and exodus only to find more Ceph waiting for them with improved versions of the Halo’s that don’t effect them. The Unholy triple alliance is dead. The other would also die yes.
    The Galaxy will be yet another Hive full of the Ceph.

  92. MasterchiefQr July 25, 2014 at 6:44 am -      #292

    I’m sorry but the Ceph win every time and the more I think about the less chance the Forerunners and the others have. I like both Forerunners and Ceph equally but this is war and I must think practically CEPH WIN!

    :)

  93. MasterchiefQr July 25, 2014 at 6:53 am -      #293

    I’m sorry but the Ceph win every time and the more I think about the less chance the Forerunners and the others have. I like both Forerunners and Ceph equally but this is war and I must think practically CEPH WIN!
    As for FTL speed Ceph are fast i’ll find the relevant data later. The Ceph also have a sort of mind control.
    :)

  94. MasterchiefQr July 25, 2014 at 7:05 am -      #294

    CEPH.

    Artillary:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Lxtmr7W-Pk

    :)

  95. Mr. happy July 25, 2014 at 7:41 am -      #295

    MCQr
    We lack solid feats other than that in the 3 games for the Ceph. The idea the Ceph can create anything is a no lim its fallacy unless we have seen it before. Has the replicating of something like the Halo Array occurred before? No.

    The Cehp ship is impressive but we do not know what capabilities it has other than a giant death ray with unknown power. All of it is speculation. Until we get solid feats for the Ceph like the Forerunners did in the their trilogy, all we can do is speculate on their actual abilities.

  96. GMoney July 25, 2014 at 3:36 pm -      #296

    I don’t see what the IOM adds to the alliance besides bodies… They are outclassed by both the GE and the Forerunners. I assume this is M41 IOM not M30 Great Crusade IOM.

    As to who could beat them, The Old Ones might have a chance.

  97. IamTaco July 25, 2014 at 4:05 pm -      #297

    ‘The Forerunners will ultimately lose due to a few reasons one such being this…
    “the Ceph have such advanced technology that can create practically anything they can think of, their sole interest is in the things they can’t think of” such as the Halo array. In theory they could create the rings to only target anything… not Ceph. I don’t think they’d pass a chance like that. They could cleanse entire Galaxies of all opposing life forms and then colonize the still intact planets while copying and improving upon left over tech. Now imagine all the Forerunners greatest achievements turned against them but in a perfected manor that can only be used by the Ceph’s DNA. Their strategy’s used against them but improved upon and refined. The others wouldn’t even register as a threat if Forerunner tech was taken and improved as I have already stated. The warp and the Death stars may also be copied and greatly improved upon then used against their masters. And as for the stages… wow.’

    Lot’s baseless wank here. Able to create anything they wanted? No limits fallacy here. And while that may be true of the 21st century scientist for whom word you’re basicly accepting as fact here. This is modern level of tech here. Can they really do the same for the forerunner’s level of physic raping tech? Like I said, no limits fallacy are bad.

    ‘It was being used at full power so probably megaton.’

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Lxtmr7W-Pk

    A 5% blast looks like 10 ton of tnt. So a 100% shot would be 200 tons of tnt. That managed to completely destroy one of their warships.

    ‘As for them having weak armor. WHERE’S THE PROOF. I mean yes it did prove to be a week point but that was the main weapon and as I have said lead to a chain reaction that let the worm hole collapse straight through the middle of it.’

    A 200 ton tnt beam weapon managed to penetrate it’s amour and reach deep enough to severely damage it’s vital systems. If that’s not weak, then what it? Oh and proof of a chain reaction with the wormhole? Meanwhile, a forerunner dreadnought manages to survive with virtually no damage to it’s hull after eating several 65 kiloton blast to the face.

    ‘The Ceph stage 2 show the ability to mimic and improve upon that which they find. Stage one will be a huge success as the Forerunners rediculous power will fuel alpha Ceph’s on every planet. Barren planets will be terraform to create hive worlds along with moons and any other planet they find. It will be quick and brutal as the Forerunners get out numbered and over taken while stage 3 shows up every where. The forerunners tech, tactics and biology will be used against them as their worlds are being cleansed, forced terraformed with the programable Ceph spores and frozen. Slip space copied and used against them to great effect while the over hives of the M33 Galaxy constantly keep spewing forth new tech and ships. The other Ceph in the other Galaxies serround them and stop any chance of exscape. Finally the Forerunners use the Halo’s and wipe out most of their civ while those who remain try and exodus only to find more Ceph waiting for them with improved versions of the Halo’s that don’t effect them. The Unholy triple alliance is dead. The other would also die yes.’

    Lot’s wank here. No proof so whatever.

    Let’s see, the ceph have shitty FTL that needs two points of contact to establish and leaves anything in between extremely vulnerable, a warship that manages to die to a 200 ton worth of firepower, nanotech that can replicate 21st century technology… I mean, the fact that they haven’t overran the entire galaxy despite having a millions of years to do so tells us that their industrial power sucks or that their FTL sucks. How can they win again?

  98. Ranger Lowk July 25, 2014 at 4:19 pm -      #298

    Gotta be honest, kind of surprised someone with Masterchief in the name is supporting a low tier sci-fi race against Forerunners.

  99. IamTaco July 25, 2014 at 4:44 pm -      #299

    The problem with you is the fact that you’re a idiot. You’re taking the words of a couple of clueless scientist from the crisis universe and taking them as facts. When everything we know of the ceph and their capabilities come from their limited view of the ceph. Firstly, the NLF that they can just reserve engineer anything and everything and use their nanotech to improve and copy any technology they come across. Hmmm, how do we know of this? From the fucking scientist. Scientist that only have access to modern technology to compare the ceph tech to.

    For example, the ceph copy, adapt and create a improved version of a crysis tank. The scientists ‘Oh wow, the ceph can reserve engineer anything and everything.’ Of course, the ceph are only working with 21st century technology here. It’s like a bunch of caveman regarding us as gods because we can take a stone and sharpen it with nothing but a whetstone and slap it onto a stick to create a spear. Or for magically making iron stronger by adding coal. Now, you may have a point if the ceph encountered some kind of super advanced race with physic raping technology that they managed to reserve engineer, copy, improve and make a better working version within a day. But nope, in the crysis universe, there exist only 2 fractions. The ceph and the humans. Given that the ceph are much more advanced then the humans, it would make sense that they can replicate and improve on 21st century technology.

    Oh and why are you acting like things such as reserve engineering, copying and improving enemy technology to be a concept only known to the ceph? Anybody can do that, to varying degrees of success. The forerunners can definitely do it well, having highly advanced nanotech and scanning tech plus many trillions upon trillions of highly advanced A.I to help reserve engineer and figure out the technology. Only thing is that they never needed to do so, being the top dog of setting. Whereas in crysis, the fact that the ceph have to resort to learning and adapting the and technology and tactics of 21st century humans tells us a lot.

    And you can bullshit all you want about the wormhole making the ceph warship drop it’s shields blah blah blah. But the fact still remains, a 200 tnt blast still managed to penetrate it’s amour system and caused enough damage to destroy it.

  100. Aelfinn July 25, 2014 at 4:48 pm -      #300

    “However i Dare! any Trekkies to argue the Borg beat the Forerunners
    with all the HALO fans we have in this thread.”

    You may want to re-read my pro-Borg arguments earlier in the thread.

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