Unholy Triple Alliance

Unholy Triple Alliance

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The Forerunners (Halo), Imperium of Man (Warhammer 40K) and Palpatine’s Galactic Empire (Star Wars) have found themselves in a merged super-galaxy.

They have allied themselves with one another and stand united.

What civilization without the use of time travel can defeat this unholy Triple Alliance?

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316 Comments on "Unholy Triple Alliance"

  1. Ranger Lowk July 10, 2014 at 3:44 pm -      #101

    “Maybe not in their own universe, but it does here.”

    I get you can apply the elemental compatibility to the warp and slipspace becasue they are sort of similar. But the methods are different things using other different things.
    The Nids specifically only effects one of the methods(Psy) right? Unless they have some other way no one else is bringing up.
    Meaning the other(Drive) would be fine since they don’t have a way of interfering with how that thing operates.

  2. TheSorrow July 10, 2014 at 3:48 pm -      #102

    I can already tell this isn’t going to get us anywhere, so I’m just going to say we agree to disagree and move on.

  3. Ranger Lowk July 10, 2014 at 4:01 pm -      #103

    “I can already tell this isn’t going to get us anywhere, so I’m just going to say we agree to disagree and move on.”

    Aw, but I had an analogy involving Nids a house and FR slipping in the backdoor.
    ===
    Was it Wheel of time or sword of truth that had that match against Deathstar and empire? I recall something about portals across space being used. That plus Balefire or subtractive lightning seem like it could be pretty devastating.

  4. Ragnorke July 10, 2014 at 4:07 pm -      #104

    “Was it Wheel of time or sword of truth that had that match against Deathstar and empire? I recall something about portals across space being used. That plus Balefire or subtractive lightning seem like it could be pretty devastating.”

    If this really happened, i hope deathstar/empire won… i would be very disappointed in BankGambling otherwise.

  5. Onibabalon123 July 10, 2014 at 4:20 pm -      #105

    What about the Sontarans From DW or The Skrulls from Marvel

  6. Rookie July 10, 2014 at 4:25 pm -      #106

    I am curious. What is the weakest civilization that capable to beat this “Unholy Triple Alliance”?

  7. Ragnorke July 10, 2014 at 4:29 pm -      #107

    “or The Skrulls from Marvel”

    Doubt it. They had trouble taking over earth, and earths Avengers are pretty meh compared to this match up.

  8. Rookie July 10, 2014 at 4:32 pm -      #108

    @Ragnorke

    “If this really happened, i hope deathstar/empire won… i would be very disappointed in BankGambling otherwise.”

    factpile.com/8265-wheel-of-time-vs-the-galactic-empire/#comments

  9. Aelfinn July 10, 2014 at 4:33 pm -      #109

    “Was it Wheel of time or sword of truth that had that match against Deathstar and empire?”

    It was Wheel of Time. The scenario was something like “The Death Star appears above the Wheel of Time world, but won’t fire for x amount of time. Can WoT do it?” The Wheel of Time had Gateways that can enter the Death Star, Compulsion to make people obey them, and devastating weaves for one-on-one combat. It was argued that WoT would take control of the Death Star and use it against, well, the Empire. They’d take control of planets, industries, and governments using their magic and the Death Star until a full war was waged.

  10. Ragnorke July 10, 2014 at 4:43 pm -      #110

    “The scenario was something like “The Death Star appears above the Wheel of Time world, but won’t fire for x amount of time.”

    Ahh, makes sense.
    I guess WoT characters would stomp once they get on board…

  11. Ranger Lowk July 10, 2014 at 4:45 pm -      #111

    “What is the weakest civilization that capable to beat this “Unholy Triple Alliance”?”

    Maybe DC’s current Earth might count since besides superman, supergirl, currently only one untrained GL, and a some special organizations they only have a few ftl option. That and they reliant on the resources of one(maybe two or three planets).
    However they have a planetary defense system that can drop things(even a small planet) into the phantom zone if it got close. Arsenal has had time messing around with tech that can take out a planet from a galaxy away/destory suns, and alternate dimensions gateways could help with the numbers issue in the form of other superman(for how ever many of them are left).

  12. Blazing Waffles July 10, 2014 at 4:51 pm -      #112

    “Doubt it. They had trouble taking over earth, and earths Avengers are pretty meh compared to this match up.”

    They can make Cosmic Cubes, so I’d put them well above any of the three alone.

  13. Ragnorke July 10, 2014 at 4:52 pm -      #113

    @Lowk
    if new52 earth gets al their characters, I think they would win.
    How can they deal with supes & MMH? I know the new52 nerfed them, but they are still some of the most powerful comic characters around.

  14. Onibabalon123 July 10, 2014 at 5:02 pm -      #114

    The Aurum from kid Icarus they are basically the unholy offspring of the Borg, Replicators, cybermen, and Skynet

  15. StarkTangent July 10, 2014 at 5:08 pm -      #115

    Chozo likely. I admit, I don’t know much about 40k or SW.
    /
    -DaMastaChief

  16. Friendlysociopath July 10, 2014 at 5:10 pm -      #116

    The Disgaea universe might give it a good run, since most of the demons are casual planet-busters and can move and breath in space.
    Etna says it’s not even considered special for a demon to be able to blow up a star.

  17. StarkTangent July 10, 2014 at 5:13 pm -      #117

    My comment is awaiting moderation, IDK why. All it said was Chozo, and I don’t know much about sw or 40k

    -DaMastaChief

  18. StarkTangent July 10, 2014 at 5:20 pm -      #118

    Ugh. Chozo. I keep getting the awaiting moderation thing.
    /
    DaMastaChief

  19. Alpha or Omega July 10, 2014 at 5:24 pm -      #119

    Actually, they’re now currently galaxy busters.

  20. Tsubodai July 10, 2014 at 5:31 pm -      #120

    -Nightmare in silver human race, Dr. Who. (hit and run tactics)

    -Time war or new empire Daleks, Dr. Who. (massive apocalypse weapons).

    -Time lords, dr. Who (invincible shielding, eye of harmony rewrites physics)

    -Second Foundation, Foundation series. (stay undetected, work out a new ‘plan’, in a thousand years the empires have self-destructed).

    -Gaia, Foundation series. (stay undetected, work out a new ‘plan’, in a thousand years the empires have self-destructed).

    – Ori, Stargate SG-1. (none of these empires can hurt the ascended save the GEOM himself, and they can populate entire galaxies with worshippers to feed them power while the GEOM has only one).

    – Replicators, Stargate SG-1. (has already been discussed to death).

    -Xeelee (if they can be separated from time travel)

    -Downstreamers (if they can be separated from time travel)

    -Q continuum, Star Trek (duh)

    -Chaos gods, 40K (because they can’t die and can corrupt)

    -Galactus, Marvel.

    -TOAA, Marvel.

    -Living Tribunal, Marvel.

    -Thanos w/infinity gauntlet, Marvel.

    -Project overlord VI, Mass effect. (Possible, had extremely powerful hacking abilities, was said to be capable of causing galaxywide Technological Apocalypse, was capable of hacking geth for extended periods of time).

    These are just off the top of my head.

  21. Ranger Lowk July 10, 2014 at 5:32 pm -      #121

    “if new52 earth gets al their characters, I think they would win.”

    I know but it wouldn’t exactly be easy. I was just trying to tkink of the weakest who would still have a shot. Earth is one planet, with somewhat limited resources, small amount of numbers, and little to no interstellar capabilities, and weapons.
    Only saving grace is Superman family/expys/alternates and the fact that the planet is somewhat populated with people trying to come up with crazy weapons that can take down superheroes.

  22. Friendlysociopath July 10, 2014 at 5:35 pm -      #122

    Question, is it still a victory if only about 10 people walk away? That sounds like what new52 would end up with, even Superman and his relatives can’t stop everything at once.

  23. Ragnorke July 10, 2014 at 5:39 pm -      #123

    “Question, is it still a victory if only about 10 people walk away? That sounds like what new52 would end up with, even Superman and his relatives can’t stop everything at once.”

    Well, couldn’t greenie convince the rest of the corps to help? it would fit into their CIS. But that probably counts as outside help (but is “outside help” even a thing in a match like this?)

    And Superman & relatives probably could stop everything at once… maybe… Not too much of an asspull
    How many planet-busting methods does the alliance have? Caus supes could just fly though all of them at FTL.

  24. Friendlysociopath July 10, 2014 at 5:51 pm -      #124

    @Ragnorke, I was thinking more of the Imperium of Man, don’t they have some sort of virus bombing that kills everything alive, biodegrades all the of the dead people and things into gas, then sets the gas on fire to explode the planet?

    I wasn’t thinking of the entire Green Lantern corps though, I will admit that one. I was thinking of just Earth’s defenses.
    I don’t think “Outside help” exists anyways since the OP just said, ‘What civilization without the use of time travel can defeat this unholy Triple Alliance?’ I was just going off Ranger saying just Earth, which is a pretty hard ‘no’ from me.

  25. Malenfant July 10, 2014 at 5:53 pm -      #125

    What’s the Imperium of Man and Galactic Empire supposed to add to the Forerunners here? Cannon fodder?

  26. Ragnorke July 10, 2014 at 6:00 pm -      #126

    “What’s the Imperium of Man and Galactic Empire supposed to add to the Forerunners here? Cannon fodder?”

    Galactic empire has the Deathstar… which is a planet buster… Which COULD be useful, although i agree they are shit.
    Imperium of Man has the God Emperor guy right? i dont know anything about warhammer

  27. Ranger Lowk July 10, 2014 at 6:01 pm -      #127

    “Question, is it still a victory if only about 10 people walk away? That sounds like what new52 would end up with, even Superman and his relatives can’t stop everything at once.”

    Well they do have a few place they could evacuate people to. Like to the stormwatch, house of mysteries, various alternate dimensions, etc. They also have a plantary defense which bfr whatever tries to penetrate it so they’d need warp/slipspace in and try to get close. Which would put them in range of the other superheroes who while not flying bricks like superman contain a bit of hax in the group.
    Like
    -Jenny Quantum whose power is control physics.
    -Zatanna, whose word warp reality.
    -Captain Atom(if he’s around) or Firestorm(if he’s not) who would find the use of energy attacks as a meal.
    ===
    EDIT: Though many people would likely die and earth would probably be destoryed.

  28. Ragnorke July 10, 2014 at 6:04 pm -      #128

    Oh right… Couldn’t captain atom just… like… teleport next to every enemy ship and turn them into like a puppy? All while moving close to FTL?

  29. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 10, 2014 at 6:30 pm -      #129

    So, is there any faction that could actually be a decent match for these three? Or is everything a stomp one way or the other? Didn’t DBZ beat the SWverse(before SW was retconned)and do decently against 40k? They might be a good match against the UTA.
    =
    This makes me wonder what would be a good match for Marvel and DC’s Earths.

  30. Onibabalon123 July 10, 2014 at 6:37 pm -      #130

    GUYS WHAT ABOUT THE AURUM FOR CHRIST’S SAKE

    Sorry about caps

  31. pimpmage July 10, 2014 at 6:38 pm -      #131

    Once again, Magic the Gathering is one of the highest tiers of OP Haxness you could possibly find on BankGambling. And you guys debate for captain atom and supes :*(

  32. Friendlysociopath July 10, 2014 at 6:40 pm -      #132

    @allergic to bullets, an even contest between the 3 of them together is a little hard to pull off the top of my head, just because between the 3 of them they have *an ungodly* amount of numbers backing them up, plus 40K and the Forerunners bring a lot of firepower that’s planet-scale for destruction levels.

    Not to mention SW is in a weird place now that the EU was un-canonized by Disney. They’re kind of fodder, although they do have Death Stars plus Palpatine and Darth Vader gonig for them, they’re definitely the minor player of the 3 groups.

    As I remember the God Emperor doesn’t actually do shit for his empire, pretty much his only power is he makes it possible for them to go FTL just by being there, and he requires thousands of people to be sacrificed to him *per day* to do so, that’s the scale of numbers 40K brings into this, they toss people away like a cheap candy that tasted of sweat and sand.

  33. Onibabalon123 July 10, 2014 at 6:44 pm -      #133

    @Allergic to bullets
    A fifth monster invasion from chrome shelled regios

  34. Ranger Lowk July 10, 2014 at 6:44 pm -      #134

    “Oh right… Couldn’t captain atom just… like… teleport next to every enemy ship and turn them into like a puppy? All while moving close to FTL?”

    Psykers might give him some trouble.
    Plus since we haven’t seen him in a while chances are he might not becoming back to cap atom state again.
    ===
    “Once again, Magic the Gathering is one of the highest tiers of OP Haxness you could possibly find on BankGambling. And you guys debate for captain atom and supes :*(”

    Was trying to find one of the lower tiered factions that could beat them.
    Also what makes MTG so OP? I read a few comics featuring the Planeswalkers but nothing seemed particularly OP.

  35. pimpmage July 10, 2014 at 6:47 pm -      #135

    MTG is OP because there are hundreds of magic spells like this:

    gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=275269&type=card

    You read that right, wiping all objects from an entire plane of existance.

  36. Ranger Lowk July 10, 2014 at 6:51 pm -      #136

    “You read that right, wiping all objects from an entire plane of existance.”

    And this is something done casually by?
    Also how big is a plane typically in universe? earth size, universe sized? megaman sized?

  37. Malenfant July 10, 2014 at 6:55 pm -      #137

    “MTG is OP because there are hundreds of magic spells like this:”

    …so basically universe busting. That’s cute, but not really fitting them with the high tiers of fiction.

  38. ZomBraum July 10, 2014 at 6:58 pm -      #138

    The Replicators.

  39. Ragnorke July 10, 2014 at 7:01 pm -      #139

    “This makes me wonder what would be a good match for Marvel and DC’s Earths.”

    They stomp most things… hard to compete with comic superheroes.
    Actually, Marvel Earth isn’t too great. A couple of planet busters, and a bunch of city busters or hax people like doctor strange.

    ” just because between the 3 of them they have *an ungodly* amount of numbers backing them up,”

    Numbers don’t mean anything… it’s all about destructive power.
    There’s tons of people that could solo all 3 of these.

    “Plus since we haven’t seen him in a while chances are he might not becoming back to cap atom state again.”

    True.
    I was really loving the new52 Atom, incredibly well written character.

    “You read that right, wiping all objects from an entire plane of existance.”

    …Eh, galactus wipes entire solar systems.
    Solar systems > MTG planes.
    Also you need to keep game-mechanics in mind with a lot of these spells.

    “…so basically universe busting. That’s cute, but not really fitting them with the high tiers of fiction.”

    No. Not universe busting.
    It will be limited to the size of the biggest plane in MTG (which are not universes)
    Also it doesn’t kill everyone does it? Some people are immune to hax like this anyways.

  40. erickyboo July 10, 2014 at 7:03 pm -      #140

    Halo has something similar to a death star, except it’s not a weapon. www.halopedia.org/X50

    It doesn’t only make planets.
    www.halopedia.org/images/f/f1/HSA_Durance.jpg
    Edward Davis was transformed into An unknown device. I wonder if they could make ships and studs out of that.

    We should figure out how the three factions would interact.

    There’s also shield world 006. halo.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_scalecomparison/1280h.html
    Which has portals. So maybe the forerunners will be improving long distance fixed location travel while the empire does hyperspace upgrades?

  41. pimpmage July 10, 2014 at 7:04 pm -      #141

    Someone else could give a better explanation, but planeswalkers use energy given off by forests, oceans, mountains, swamps, planes, etc. They use enough of this energy to cast a spell that causes aforementioned effects. These are universal in nature.

    “…so basically universe busting. That’s cute, but not really fitting them with the high tiers of fiction.”

    Thats cute you think that too. There are possibly infinite numbers of planes in the mtg verse. And with that would include infinite planeswalkers. All of which could use the various spells at their disposal. And, every planeswalker could buff themselves with their spells to be entirely immune to any sort of spell/effect/damage.

    “It will be limited to the size of the biggest plane in MTG (which are not universes)”

    What makes you say that? Is there some lore I missed reading up on that states the sizes of the planes in mtg?

  42. Tyran July 10, 2014 at 7:05 pm -      #142

    Galactic empire has the Deathstar… which is a planet buster… Which COULD be useful, although i agree they are shit.

    The Death Star doesn’t adds anything to the Forerunners.

    I said it again, the weakest faction that can beat them is Silentium Flood.

  43. Glutinous-Bicarbonate July 10, 2014 at 7:05 pm -      #143

    “Eh, galactus wipes entire solar systems.”

    Starving Galactus, no less.

  44. Ragnorke July 10, 2014 at 7:10 pm -      #144

    “What makes you say that? Is there some lore I missed reading up on that states the sizes of the planes in mtg?”

    Well, burden of proof would be on you to prove planes are as big as universes.

    ” There are possibly infinite numbers of planes in the mtg verse. ”

    Technically we would only use canon planes, with actual feats and shit.

    “And, every planeswalker could buff themselves with their spells to be entirely immune to any sort of spell/effect/damage.”

    This is a NLF, so no.

  45. erickyboo July 10, 2014 at 7:12 pm -      #145

    I wonder if Galactus could be put in some sort of www.halopedia.org/Timelock reverse timelock device and make galactus starve even more by making time pass faster. Would shield world 006 be a good cage?

  46. Malenfant July 10, 2014 at 7:18 pm -      #146

    “Thats cute you think that too. There are possibly infinite numbers of planes in the mtg verse. And with that would include infinite planeswalkers.”

    You say possibly, which means that we can’t really quantify it. Not that you’ve proved anything, of course.

    “All of which could use the various spells at their disposal. And, every planeswalker could buff themselves with their spells to be entirely immune to any sort of spell/effect/damage.”

    No-limits fallacy.

  47. pimpmage July 10, 2014 at 7:23 pm -      #147

    There are almost infinite planes in the multiverse, separated from each other by the space known as Blind Eternities which is filled with chaotic energies, including Æther and mana. The inhabitants of most of these planes have no idea that theirs is not the only universe, or indeed the only world—generally only planeswalkers know that, and are able to travel intentionally between planes.

    Brady Dommermuth. (March 19, 2008.) “The Known Multiverse”, Daily MTG, magicthegathering.com, Wizards of the Coast.

    Although Planes are sometimes thought to be a seperate world occupying the same universe as other planes, —–each plane is a seperate universe—– in its own right, with few planes having multiple worlds, possibly with some inhabitable ones. In this case, with the exception of artificial planes, most if not all planes can be considered more akin to alternate realities, with Dominaria, being the center of Multiverse, being the prime reality. However these realities are usually very different from each other, suggesting that planeswalkers cannot planeswalk between planes that are too similar. Planes are known to “move” in relation to each other. Additionally new planes are constantly created, while others drift out of existence.

    Lynn Abbey. (1998). Planeswalker

    It is not a NLF if it can be beaten or bypassed. MTG verse 100% capable of bypassing any defenses they can conjure on themselves.

  48. Friendlysociopath July 10, 2014 at 7:27 pm -      #148

    “Numbers don’t mean anything”

    This is just me, but I view “defeat” as more than just protecting your one planet indefinitely. At the bare minimum they could just wait out Earth’s resources.

    On another note, what’s a Kypronian’s stance on sickness and viruses? Do they not get sick by PIS or is Superman legitimately immune to disease? 40K is not above releasing plagues on the Earth to kill everyone.

    Again, I realize Superman and company could destroy a shit-ton of forces, but at some point something will get through and hit the Earth, which is going to destroy most of it.

  49. Ragnorke July 10, 2014 at 7:30 pm -      #149

    “There are almost infinite planes in the multiverse, ”

    With this logic Marvel & DC get their multiverses too…
    Sorry but that isn’t how matches work. o.o

    “each plane is a seperate universe—– in its own right, with few planes having multiple worlds, possibly with some inhabitable ones.”

    Being separate universes is NOT the equivalent of being the size of the real life universe.
    They say they have “multiple” worlds… that sounds like it’s a very very very very very very very small/low-end universe.
    Anyhow, if it’s not quantifiable it’s ignored pretty much…

    “It is not a NLF if it can be beaten or bypassed. MTG verse 100% capable of bypassing any defenses they can conjure on themselves.”

    So why did you say (and i quote): “every planeswalker could buff themselves with their spells to be entirely immune to any sort of spell/effect/damage.”
    That’s contradicting yourself. Regardless, blocking “any sort” of spell/effect/damage is a NLF.

    “Additionally new planes are constantly created, while others drift out of existence.”

    Irrelevant, we only use known planes with feats.

    MTG is not as over-powered as you’re making it out to be.

    “On another note, what’s a Kypronian’s stance on sickness and viruses? Do they not get sick by PIS or is Superman legitimately immune to disease?”

    Immunity from what i know.

    “Again, I realize Superman and company could destroy a shit-ton of forces, but at some point something will get through and hit the Earth, which is going to destroy most of it.”

    The thing is, not everything in the alliance is capable of planet busting.
    DC only need to target the big threats, which they can destroy in like… a minute?
    Superman traveled from one side of a galaxy to another in a couple of seconds, and wouldn’t even need to stop to “punch” anything, he would just fly through EVERYTHING.

  50. erickyboo July 10, 2014 at 7:31 pm -      #150

    How does antimatter react with the kryptonians? Does it obey physics or does it ignore them?

  51. Ragnorke July 10, 2014 at 7:39 pm -      #151

    “How does antimatter react with the kryptonians? Does it obey physics or does it ignore them?”

    Well antimatter on its own isn’t an “insta-kill anything”, it just releases a shit ton of energy…. which Superman might be able to survive, i dunno.

  52. Malenfant July 10, 2014 at 7:42 pm -      #152

    “There are almost infinite planes in the multiverse,”

    Already wrong. There can’t be almost infinite planes.

    “The inhabitants of most of these planes have no idea that theirs is not the only universe, or indeed the only world—generally only planeswalkers know that, and are able to travel intentionally between planes.”

    This still doesn’t show anything on the numbers of Planeswalkers, which is what I’m looking for here. I don’t even see the significance of the second quote.

    “It is not a NLF if it can be beaten or bypassed. MTG verse 100% capable of bypassing any defenses they can conjure on themselves.”

    And so why can’t anyone else bypass these defenses?

  53. erickyboo July 10, 2014 at 7:42 pm -      #153

    Matter and antimatter annihilate each other which releases energy.

    Off topic but I’m watching the magic school bus while on my exercise bike exercising while platinf on BankGambling.

  54. Blazing Waffles July 10, 2014 at 7:51 pm -      #154

    “I wonder if Galactus could be put in some sort of reverse timelock device and make galactus starve even more by making time pass faster. Would shield world 006 be a good cage?”

    Well, Galactus can apparently travel between dimensions (don’t know if we’ve actually seen him do it, though), but if that did trap him and he starved to death, Abraxas gets released from his prison and promptly f*cks over pretty much everything.

  55. Alpha or Omega July 10, 2014 at 7:57 pm -      #155

    Speaking of Galactus, did he destroy the Ultimate universe yet, or is it for some reason still there?

  56. erickyboo July 10, 2014 at 8:06 pm -      #156

    Whos abraxas?

  57. Ragnorke July 10, 2014 at 8:09 pm -      #157

    “Matter and antimatter annihilate each other”

    Eh, not in comic books.
    It would also fall under Molecular manipulation/alteration, which supes is very resistant to.

    “Well, Galactus can apparently travel between dimensions”

    If by dimensions you mean like the demonic planes? don’t think he can.
    He can’t travel between universes either…. each universe has their own Galactus.
    He isn’t a multiversal threat, just a universal one.

    And yea, i agree with everything Malenfant said.

    “Whos abraxas?”

    I believe he’s the god-eater, destined to kill all gods.
    Could be wrong though.

  58. jackn8r July 10, 2014 at 8:10 pm -      #158

    “No

    FR production… We meet again.

    GLs can create planet sized constructs, are faster than any other faction, are protected from mind rape by their rings, essentially have limitless information from their rings, and can create galaxy-level durability constructs. Tell me more about these hax that they lose to lol.”

    Total Annihilation has some pretty insane feats. I remember reading once that game mechanics are canon in TA.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6mZZiI4ShQ
    That’s a world being devastated from war every 1.5 days for 4000 years. Going by an estimated 40 billion planets in the galaxy they strip mined a world for resources every 3 seconds or so for 4000 years. They also use galaxy busting bombs.
    totalannihilation.wikia.com/wiki/Implosion_Device

  59. Neon Lord July 10, 2014 at 8:27 pm -      #159

    Would Supreme Commander verse stand a chance? With enough energy, they can instantaneously gate commanders anywhere instantly and have massive armies created within an hour.

  60. Xornell July 10, 2014 at 8:35 pm -      #160

    “How can they deal with supes & MMH? I know the new52 nerfed them, but they are still some of the most powerful comic characters around.”

    N52 was a huge boost to Supes. He’s back to bullshitulously ridiculous strength and speed. And it’s only been 3 years.

    “I was thinking more of the Imperium of Man, don’t they have some sort of virus bombing that kills everything alive, biodegrades all the of the dead people and things into gas, then sets the gas on fire to explode the planet?”

    True, but good luck getting those ships anywhere near the planet with flying bricks everywhere. The entire Red Lantern Corps is also stationed in Earth’s sector, so they’d be there.

    As to what the GE adds:
    1. Metric fucktons of manpower. RPG is still canon, which means they still have tens of trillions of soldiers lying around.
    2. Death Stars, which also logically brings in their industry.
    3. Hyperspace. Super fast travel.
    EU GE adds much more.

    “Oh right… Couldn’t captain atom just… like… teleport next to every enemy ship and turn them into like a puppy? All while moving close to FTL?”

    Yes. Yes he could. Captain Atom could very likely solo all three.

    “I wonder if Galactus could be put in some sort of www.halopedia.org/Timelock reverse timelock device and make galactus starve even more by making time pass faster. Would shield world 006 be a good cage?”

    Unlikely. Do you know what Galactus does to a place he’s trapped in/refuses to leave? He eats it. Galactus has nommed on universes he didn’t like.

    “On another note, what’s a Kypronian’s stance on sickness and viruses? Do they not get sick by PIS or is Superman legitimately immune to disease? 40K is not above releasing plagues on the Earth to kill everyone.”

    Normal viruses won’t do shit to Superman. Hax-tier magic diseases do, but I don’t think 40k has any of those lying around.

  61. Ranger Lowk July 10, 2014 at 8:55 pm -      #161

    “Actually, Marvel Earth isn’t too great. A couple of planet busters, and a bunch of city busters or hax people like doctor strange.”

    Yeah but they have a genius who can essentially make starship level tech in the shape of a man. Who is that person. Hint
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gDch1p4c_M
    They’ve got a leg up in the interstellar game and possibly territories if you count some of the avengers supporters they got when they helped in space war with the buildiers.
    ===
    “Speaking of Galactus, did he destroy the Ultimate universe yet, or is it for some reason still there?”

    They got lucky Miles exist in their universe. As for how:
    -PIS
    -A giant kitty pryde
    -A portal
    -And an alternateU Reed Richards is still a Reed Richards
    ===
    ““On another note, what’s a Kypronian’s stance on sickness and viruses? Do they not get sick by PIS or is Superman legitimately immune to disease?””

    Super-Immune system is an actual in canon stated thing.
    That said other then kryptonite poisoning, Doomsday’s mist to my knowledge is the only thing thats really effected him and all that did was make him dangerous to be around.
    ===
    “I wonder if Galactus could be put in some sort of www.halopedia.org/Timelock reverse timelock device and make galactus starve even more by making time pass faster.”

    Galactus can manipulate time, space, and reality. Spiderman essentially went on a short adventure across multiple realities and through time in the span of a pep talk about how galactus can fuck with you. And that was when he wasn’t really trying.
    ===
    “Again, I realize Superman and company could destroy a shit-ton of forces, but at some point something will get through and hit the Earth, which is going to destroy most of it.”

    Superman has modded the phantom zone project to take in stuff that might hit and destroy the planet.

  62. Ranger Lowk July 10, 2014 at 9:12 pm -      #162

    “True, but good luck getting those ships anywhere near the planet with flying bricks everywhere. The entire Red Lantern Corps is also stationed in Earth’s sector, so they’d be there.”

    Do they count? I mean if it’s just Earth as a faction they wouldn’t really count. There more like police for the entire sector rather then allied with Earth…. Accept for maybe Guy and his mustache of power.

  63. Alpha or Omega July 10, 2014 at 9:43 pm -      #163

    “They got lucky Miles exist in their universe. As for how:
    -PIS
    -A giant kitty pryde
    -A portal
    -And an alternateU Reed Richards is still a Reed Richards”
    /
    …………….
    I’m going to cry myself to sleep tonight.
    /
    Anyway, I’m sure that, as mention above, the Arm&Core would beat the alliance since they fought already and the IoM and Forerunners lost.

  64. Friendlysociopath July 10, 2014 at 10:18 pm -      #164

    I wonder, do you think the assembled might of the Mass Effect universe could take these 3 on?

  65. Murder July 10, 2014 at 10:19 pm -      #165

    The Shadows from Babylon 5
    -The Borg from Star Trek
    –The Ori from SG1
    —-
    That’s my team to beat em without getting into gods, magic and super beings.

  66. Ranger Lowk July 10, 2014 at 10:41 pm -      #166

    “I wonder, do you think the assembled might of the Mass Effect universe could take these 3 on?”

    No.

  67. OberHerr July 10, 2014 at 11:00 pm -      #167

    The assembled might of ME would get stomped by any of these individually, assuming GE is EU.

  68. OberHerr July 10, 2014 at 11:18 pm -      #168

    us20.chatzy.com/12278894611750

    Jooooooiiiiinnnnn uuuuussssssss…..

  69. Onibabalon123 July 11, 2014 at 1:23 am -      #169

    The Aurum from Kid Icarus could conceivably Defeat all of them together. Th unholy 3 could never defeat them considering they would simply comeback with the chaos generated from the impending battle. Not only that but the Aurum could generate units that are better than the original. also the loss of a 100 of their world ships is considered insignificant.

  70. Parry Boy July 11, 2014 at 5:54 am -      #170

    How about Saint Seiya?

  71. Hermit July 11, 2014 at 5:55 am -      #171

    Behold Strike Legion.
    .
    “This makes Strike Legion probably the only game where you can legitimately have an underbarrel mount that risks destroying the planet you are standing on.”
    .
    tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TabletopGame/StrikeLegion?from=Main.StrikeLegion
    .
    i.imgur.com/YTZlQ.jpg
    .
    “Strike Legion is a science fiction roleplaying game set in the future where the mighty Imperium fights the Star Republic for domination of the universe. The Imperium is a xenophobic star empire that encompasses millions of worlds of uncountable subjugated humans. The Star Republic is a union of different sentient species that fight for their right to peace and progress. The Imperium swarms its enemies with endless hordes of ships while the Republic is defended by the Fleet with its small fleets of powerful and advanced battleships. The Imperium seems unstoppable as each new wave of Imperial ships depletes Fleet resources to the breaking point. In comes the Strike Legion. Each Legionnaire is equal to an army of regular soldiers and it is their job to enter Imperial space and destroy the Imperial war machine from within. They can do what an entire fleet of ships could never accomplish. To win the war, the Legion will have to prevail but the Imperium creates new ways to defeat them everyday.”
    .
    So you have a republic in the brink of collapse whose only hope is in a group of super soldiers.
    .
    “The Imperium’s leader is an ancient and powerful Master known as the Empress, who rules her million worlds with an iron fist. The Imperium tried to control its population with fear but the Empress learned from her mistakes so she indoctrinated her people in a central religion where they worship her as a goddess.”
    .
    Kinda reminds me of something….
    .
    forums.spacebattles.com/threads/vampire-ships-bunny-commandos-and-space-marines-lets-read-strike-legion.196770/

  72. Parry Boy July 11, 2014 at 7:14 am -      #172

    When u meet this thread and you’re a fanboy of the three:

  73. xenix July 11, 2014 at 8:05 am -      #173

    so how much damage can one gurren lagan do?

  74. itisburgers July 11, 2014 at 4:48 pm -      #174

    @pimp
    Mtg planes are just planets, and not even very large ones.
    Theros is a flat world. Ravnica is like a polish renaissance coruscant. Alara is the only one with multiple worlds, and they were each a piece of the actual planet.

    Wrath effects are anything from super volcanos (wild fire) to island busts (obliteration) to planet breaking events (day of judgement, planar cleansing). No where near a universal event.

    Planeswalkers are walking between dimensions, but more like 40k ships are sailing through the warp. The weatherlight was a space ship. Dominaria and artificial planes (Phyrexia, Serra’s realm) are the only ones separate from the multiverse (read universe), you can find this in the early chapters of the novel planeswalker, Urza tells Xantcha about it. Jin-gitaxias from new phyrexia has found ways to see other planes (read planets), much like ancient astronomers of earth did.

    That being said pre-mending dominaria or phyrexia could likely solo any of these factions. Ashnod had a bowl that creates planet wide nuclear winters. Tawnos built a sarcophagus that could protect from nuclear events happening in the same area. Urza could build planet busting mecha out of thought and sand. Yawgmoth has lovecraftian mind rape powers that mind rapes the demon lords who worship him and spend eternity as close as possible to him. Glistening oil takes over anything it touches unless it chooses to wait. Flowstone allows anyone with enough mental power world building ability. A phyrexian demon once spent an eternity in a fast time bubble building ways to survive being in to different rates of time at once. Barrin blew up an entire island using just rage. Kharn built his own planet. Glistening oil possessed kharn. Glistening oil develops into its own forms of life if no new object comes into contact with it. Phyrexian science can fit a multi train car sized mecha inside a robust human shell. Phyrexian science can deceive creatures of pure white mana (white mana contains truth itself) and the most powerful planeswalker ever. Maybe together they could beat UA but I don’t know enough about forerunners to say for sure.

  75. trexalfa July 11, 2014 at 6:12 pm -      #175

    As OP said no time travel (dunno why are people mentioning Time War Daleks then), I believe the Culture should be able to stomp this alliance. The Forerunners are the biggest hitters in this team, the IoM and the Galactic Empire not add all that much really.

  76. Malenfant July 11, 2014 at 6:17 pm -      #176

    I believe it actually said time travel was forbidden from being used as a method off winning (and plenty of things that have time travel have access to plenty of other ways to deal with this alliance) but using lower end factions would probably be funner.

  77. trexalfa July 11, 2014 at 6:23 pm -      #177

    @Malenfant

    Seconded. But the Culture would have zero problems with this alliance, which is why I’m betting for them.

    The Culture has so much speed hax that nothing these three have can last more than five seconds against a single ROU. And that’s not counting the fact that every single weapon in the ships are planet busters and that no IoM ship, no Star Destroyer, no Fortress Class and no Death Star would be able to tank. The Culture can displace these weapons inside the ships and to the Halos if they are thought of being used, and annihilate with little effort. The Culture has even the option of sitting the fleet in Hyperspace while the enemy is destroyed.

    And that is getting past the fact that none of this factions (the Forerunners may have experience due to Suppresor Fields, but nothing more) have defenses against Effectors. Every thing they pull off will be effectorized from light years away and made to work against them or not work at all.

  78. OberHerr July 11, 2014 at 7:00 pm -      #178

    In interest of something for me to do…what the hell can the Culture do? I’ve seen people throw out a lot of random stuff before, which definitely makes them seem pretty OP, like time travel, teleporting black holes into ships, etc. but whats their abilities? Production, defenses, etc.

  79. Tyran July 11, 2014 at 7:47 pm -      #179

    The thing with the Culture is it speed. Their ships react to fast, fire to fast, move to fast. Any IoM or GE fleet would be dead in miliseconds. The Forerunners will do a little better, they will be dead in seconds.

  80. God Of Godzilla July 11, 2014 at 9:20 pm -      #180

    How about an army of orks that paint everything pink because they believe pink beats anything not pink or do any of the factions have anything painted pink

  81. Mr. happy July 11, 2014 at 9:49 pm -      #181

    Someone forgot about Gridfire.

  82. OberHerr July 11, 2014 at 10:00 pm -      #182

    Um….ok could you elaborate? Cause….I mean FR ships can accurately Slispace around to the atom. And Slipspace inside things. Or slipspace things inside things. Accurately, to the Atom. And they can do this with AI. AI that can control million to billions of ships. And each of those ships have AI. And they are totally autonomous. And have FTL reaction times. Etc. etc.

  83. The Sony Girl July 11, 2014 at 10:20 pm -      #183

    CHOZO?

  84. Alpha or Omega July 11, 2014 at 10:36 pm -      #184

    Birdmen that gave Samus her powersuit.
    They’re warrior bird men that made glorious cities and had advanced tech.
    Then, they got old and put mental blocks on themselves.
    /
    They’re pretty much featless other than transcending to another plane of existence, can see the future and the past, and can physically do whatever Samus does with her tech.

  85. OberHerr July 11, 2014 at 10:43 pm -      #185

    Basically they get destroyed from orbit.

  86. The Sony Girl July 11, 2014 at 11:03 pm -      #186

    @OberHerr
    I remember that the X-Wing has 500 Gigawatts, while the weakest weapon in Metroid Prime Hunters is 2 Terrawatts.

  87. Glutinous-Bicarbonate July 11, 2014 at 11:09 pm -      #187

    If I recall, a Culture ship battle involving an intelligent warship against a group of enemy AI ships took place within the space of microseconds or some such.

  88. Glutinous-Bicarbonate July 11, 2014 at 11:20 pm -      #188

    The passage I mentioned.

    The Killing Time plunged intact through the third wave of ancient Culture ships; they rushed on, towards the Excession. It fended off a few more of the warheads and missiles which had been directed at it, turning a couple of the latter back upon their own ships for a few moments before they were detected and destructed. The hulk of the Attitude Adjuster fell astern behind the departing fleet, coasting and twisting and tumbling in hyperspace, still heading away from and outstripping the Killing Time as it braked and started to turn.
    There was only a vestigial fourth wave; fourteen ships (they were targeting it now). Had it known there were so few in the final echelon, the Killing Time would have attacked the second wave of ships. Oh well; luck counted too. It watched the Attitude Adjuster a moment longer to ensure it really was tearing itself apart. It was.
    It turned its attention to the remaining fourteen craft. On its suicide trajectory it could take them all on and stand a decent chance of destroying perhaps four of them before its luck ran out; maybe a half-dozen if it was really lucky. Or it could push away and complete its brake-turn-accelerate manoeuvre to make a second pass at the main fleet. Even if they’d be waiting for it this time, it could reckon on accounting for a good few of them. Again, in the four-to-eight range.
    Or it could do this.
    It pulled itself round the edge of the fourteen ships in the rump of the fleet as they reconfigured their formation to meet it. Bringing up the rear they had had more warning of its attack and so had had time to adopt a suitable pattern. The Killing Time ignored the obvious challenge and temptation of flying straight into their midst and flew past and round, targeting only the outer five craft nearest it.
    They gave a decent account of themselves but it prevailed, dispatching two of them with engine field implosures. This was, it had always thought, a clean, decent and honourable way to die. The pair of wreckage-shells coasted onwards; the rest of the ships sped on unharmed, chasing the main fleet. Not one of the ships turned back to take it on.
    The Killing Time continued to brake, oriented towards the fast vanishing war fleet and the region of the Excession. Its engine fields were gouging great livid tracks in the energy grid as it back-pedalled furiously.
    It encountered the ROU which had dropped aft with engine damage, falling back towards it as the Killing Time slowed and the other craft coasted onward and struggled to repair its motive power units. The Killing Time attempted to communicate with the ROU, was fired upon, and tried to take the craft over with its effector. The ROU’s own independent automatics detected the ship’s Mind starting to give in. They tripped a destruct sequence and another hypersphere of radiation blossomed beneath the skein.
    Shit, thought the Killing Time. It scanned the hyper volumes around itself.
    Nothing threatening.
    Well, damn me, it thought, as it slowed. I’m still alive.
    This was the one outcome it hadn’t anticipated.
    It ran a systems check. Totally unharmed, apart from the self-inflicted degradation to its engines. It slackened off the power, dropping back to normal maxima and watching the readouts; significant degradation from here in about a hundred hours. Not too bad. Self-repairing would take days at all-engines-stop. Warhead stocks down to forty per cent; remanufacturing from first principles would take four to seven hours, depending on the exact mix it chose. Plasma chambers at ninety-six per cent efficiency; about right for the engagement system-use profile according to the relevant charts and graphs. Self-repair mechanisms champing the bit. It looked around, concentrating on the view astern. No obvious threats; it let the self-repairers make a start on two of the four chambers. Full reconstruction time, two hundred and four seconds.
    Entire engagement duration; eleven microseconds. Hmm; it had felt longer. But then that was only natural.
    -Excession Pg 396p

    So the Intelligent ship, the aforementioned Killing Time, sizes up its opponents, maneuvers into attack position, destroys two ships outright, hails another ship, is fired at, nearly attains mind control of the ship, forcing it to self destruct to avoid losing control, and register that it hadn’t been destroyed in the fight.

    In eleven Microseconds.

  89. Hermit July 11, 2014 at 11:37 pm -      #189

    The Tribes in Heroic Age.
    .
    One Tribe, the Heroic Tribe, have planet busters for its (remaining five) citizens.

  90. Ranger Lowk July 11, 2014 at 11:44 pm -      #190

    “The Tribes in Heroic Age.
    .
    One Tribe, the Heroic Tribe, have planet busters for its (remaining five) citizens.”

    Seems like it kind of be in the same boat as DC earth. Just replace Superman with Belcross…

  91. OberHerr July 11, 2014 at 11:52 pm -      #191

    Soooo…..I mean, Planetbusters are pretty common in throughout the Imperium, GE, and Forerunners….

    But yeah….I’m pretty sure FR AI’s do react that fast….but I don’t know if they can do stuff at that speed. So…I dunno.

  92. Glutinous-Bicarbonate July 12, 2014 at 12:08 am -      #192

    Plus, like the Forerunners, Culture ships can hide in their Hyperspace and still attack.

  93. The Sony Girl July 12, 2014 at 12:10 am -      #193
  94. erickyboo July 12, 2014 at 12:24 am -      #194

    Well… if the unholy alliance wants to fight them… then they’re going to have to slow down time for them! Which they may be able to do to some extent. Forerunners can accelerate, decelerate time. Either make it stop, or make (a) billion years in seconds.

  95. Hermit July 12, 2014 at 12:37 am -      #195

    Pokemon.
    .
    teampwnicorn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Gyrados.jpg
    .
    Yeah, I just wanted a chance to post that. :)

  96. jackn8r July 12, 2014 at 1:15 am -      #196

    “But yeah….I’m pretty sure FR AI’s do react that fast….but I don’t know if they can do stuff at that speed. So…I dunno.”

    A reaction entails realization + action. If they cannot act that fast they cannot react that fast.

    The thing is, Minds blow FR AIs out of the water. This is a ‘stupid’ primitive Mind:
    The Mind had an image to illustrate its information capacity. It liked to imagine the contents of its memory store written out on cards; little slips of paper with tiny writing on them, big enough for a human to read. If the characters were a couple of millimetres tall and the paper about ten centimetres square and written on both sides, then ten thousand characters could be squeezed onto each card. In a metre-long drawer of such cards maybe one thousand of them – then million pieces of information – could be stored. In a small room a few metres square, with a corridor in the middle just wide enough to pull a tray out into, you could keep perhaps a thousand trays arranges in close-packed cabinets: ten billion characters in all. A square kilometre of these cramped cells might contain as many as one hundred thousand rooms; a thousand such floors would produce a building two thousand metres tall with a hundred million rooms. If you kept building those squat towers, squeezed hard up against each other until they entirely covered the surface of a largish standard-G world – maybe a billion square kilometres – you would have a planet with one trillion square kilometres of floor space, one hundred quadrillion paper-stuffed rooms, thirty light-years of corridors and a number of potential stored characters sufficiently large to boggle just about anybody’s mind. In base 10 that number would be a 1 followed by twenty-seven zeroes, and even that vast figure was only a fraction of the capacity of the Mind. To match it you would need a thousand such worlds; systems of them, a clusterful of information-packed globes . . . and that vast capacity was physically contained within a space smaller than a single of those tiny rooms, inside the Mind . . .

    Actual minds simulate entire universes down to the atom from what I recall.

    Defenses–normal ship handling a supernova:
    The Grey Area was Fascinated and Appalled. It had never thought to experience anything like this. It had grown up in a universe almost totally free from threat; providing you didn’t try to do anything utterly stupid like plunge into a black or a white hole, there was simply no natural force that could threaten a ship of its power and sophistication; even a supernova held little threat, handled properly.

    Industry–Over 40 years 1 Culture ship by itself constructed:
    Type One Offensive Units (roughly equivalent to Abominator class prototype): 512
    Type Two Offensive Units (roughly equivalent to Torturer class): 2048
    Type Three Offensive Units (roughly equivalent to Inquisitor class prototype, upgraded): 2048
    Type Four Offensive Units (roughly equivalent to velocity-improved Killer class): 12288
    Type Five Offensive Units (based on Thug class upgrade design study): 24576
    Type Six Offensive Units (based on militarized Scree class LCU, various types): 49152

    Should be noted that while maybe not impressive by FR standards, this is again 1 ship and constructing tech FR can’t come close to.

    As for weapons–Gridfire handles anything.

  97. OberHerr July 12, 2014 at 1:39 am -      #197

    I see. Cool. I’ve always heard the Culture has some crazy hax stuff, but never really knew what they had that made people go “Forerunner get stomped by them.” Yeah, sounds like they handily win. The only thing I could think of that might beat them in the FR’s using time dilation and firing off the Halo’s as a beam at them. But even then, if they can just hide in Hyperspace or whatever, not sure how much that could help.

    I wonder how they’d do against the Flood….

    @Sony Girl
    I have read that. Why I say FR’s win is they have much better feats….as in they actually have feats. Chozo just don’t have much of anything ship-wise really.

  98. IamTaco July 12, 2014 at 5:02 am -      #198

    ‘I wonder how they’d do against the Flood….’

    The flood would actually do quite well against them and could actually win if they played their cards right and if their hax/tech worked with culture tech and physics.

    It could turn into a stomp for the culture or the flood depending on the interaction of their technology. Which is why the flood vs the culture usually turns into a shit-storm. The true precursors at their height would be able to take down the culture regardless though.

  99. Epicazeroth July 12, 2014 at 11:26 am -      #199

    @Friendly: “I wonder, do you think the assembled might of the Mass Effect universe could take these 3 on?”
    Uhh, no. Maybe every cycle combined (assuming each cycle is approx equal to current/Prothean power range with a few exceptions) plus Reapers and Leviathans.

  100. IamTaco July 12, 2014 at 12:22 pm -      #200

    @OberHerr
    To give you a sense of how powerful the culture are, it’s generally agreed that a singular civilian grade culture ship would be able to take out any of the three factions in this alliance.

    In fact I would give them odds of winning against the combined of this three extremely powerful galactic empires. With a singular ship.

    Just a little tibit. Culture ships can mass scatter a planet by braking too hard.

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