What If…The Clans Invaded the Star Wars Galaxy?

What If...The Clans Invaded the Star Wars Galaxy?

Suggested by Sauroposeidon

The Clans have come to Mechwarrior Online! And so now they invade BankGambling as well! The Clans have come to reclaim Terra, only to find that they are now invading the Republic just as the Clone Wars are breaking out. How does it go when they match up against the Grand Army of the Republic? The Seperatists? Or the Hutt Cartel? Do they earn a slice of the galaxy for themselves, become crushed, or ultimately gain Coruscant as their new Terra?

While the clans love to consume new and interesting technology, they will be limited in what they are allowed to reverse engineer in this, due to how fast war moves. They may capture but not reverse engineer things such as hyperdrive vessels and the like.

Zellbringen and Clan war doctrine are in effect. They will fight honorably, and do their best to abstain from “wasteful” combat such as naval engagements or use of weapons of mass destruction.

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54 Comments on "What If…The Clans Invaded the Star Wars Galaxy?"

  1. Tancalebner July 1, 2014 at 6:49 am -      #1

    Nice suggestion Sauro… I’ve never heard of the clans which means I need to do some reading, but if they keep their heads low until a low part in the clone wars for both sides they could do some damage… Coruscant as their new Terra? It’d take them awhile but I’d consider taking other planets that are better suited for life than Coruscant…

  2. Glutinous-Bicarbonate July 1, 2014 at 10:05 am -      #2

    Well, there’s a lot of troops and ships in the galaxy at this point. How many are the clans?

  3. Xornell July 1, 2014 at 10:28 am -      #3

    Mmmkay, couple things:

    EU Star Wars, or nah?

    And also feats for Mechwarrior online? I think I might have a neat match for them depending on whether or not they can keep up with EU Star Wars.

  4. Rookie July 1, 2014 at 11:30 am -      #4

    Feats for Battletech (not for clans, but give me time, I am interested in this scenario, but I will say right away my opinion, Clans loses hard)
    Usual space battle (clans use pretty same tactics only their tech is wayyyy better):

    BankGamblingtopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=147387

    Points of interest:
    “”Power discharge from the JumpShip!” Sean Ferguson shouted as his instruments registered the expansion of the enemy ship’s hyperdrive field. “Get the hell out, High-six!”

    “Too late, kid,” Hobart replied. “Too late . . .”

    The expanding bubble of hyperspace around the Jump-Ship swelled to its maximum diameter. Ferguson heard shouts, then an inhuman scream, over the commline as the four fighters still pressing the attack were caught in the field and literally torn apart.

    “Sweet Jesus,” his wingman muttered, sounding as horrified as Ferguson felt. Four men and their high tech fighters, all destroyed in an instant.

    The price of daring to attack a JumpShip . . .

    And then the hyperspace field was gone, and with it the ship itself. Gone as if it had never been there.

    Ferguson closed his eyes and fought back tears at the loss of his comrades. He barely heard the recall orders from the Merkur.”

    I’l post feats for elementals (combat battle suits) soon.
    I hope that Sauro have some numbers about Clans forces, but I do remember that they have not big armies.

  5. God Of Godzilla July 1, 2014 at 11:57 am -      #5

    So how do turbolasers compare to lasers from mech warrior

  6. Rookie July 1, 2014 at 11:59 am -      #6

    @God Of Godzilla

    “So how do turbolasers compare to lasers from mech warrior”

    Turbolasers is probably stronger, but that is just my opinion.

  7. Rookie July 1, 2014 at 12:16 pm -      #7

    Clans mech vs usual mech:

    “Laughing triumphantly as the enemy’s large lasers flashed past on either side, Phelan dropped his targeting sight straight on the ‘Mech’s jutting beak. He stabbed his thumb down on the large laser’s firing stud and tightened his fingers on the buttons for the medium lasers. Got you!

    The large laser hammered into the enemy ‘Mech’s left side. It peeled back armor, and for a moment, Phelan hoped against hope it had pierced the ‘Mech’s armored hide. As his medium lasers stitched the ‘Mech’s left arm and leg with stinging ruby bolts, his heart began to sink. All I’m getting is armor! But that’s impossible … Any ‘Mech hauling that much of an arsenal should have paper-thin armor. It’s crazy.

    The gray ‘Mech’s two gunnery-pods converged and focused on the Wolfhound. The dual large lasers vaporized all the armor on the Wolfhound’s broad chest the second they touched it. Phelan’s computer barely had time to update the diagnostic display on the secondary monitor when four medium lasers, two mounted beneath the larger lasers on the arms and one each on the sides of the ‘Mech’s chest, impaled the Kell Hound ‘Mech. ,

    Searing waves of heat swirled up through the Wolfhound’s cockpit as the lasers destroyed the magnetic shields controlling the ‘Mech’s fusion-reaction power plant. A rainbow of warning lights ignited the command console and a warning siren began to sail. “Reactor detonation inescapable,” shouted the computer. “Eject, eject!””

    “”Primus, I have taken to calling this model the Mad Cat. As with the Catapult ‘Mech, the machine boasts two longrange missile pods, one on each side of the forward-thrust torso. It walks on bird’s legs, which gives it a hopping-bobbing gait, though this pilot seems to have been able to conquer that tendency. Quite an achievement, with the low gravity on the asteroid. In addition to the standard Catapult features, two Marauder-type weapons pods have been added. They have large lasers over medium lasers. Two more medium lasers, one on each side of the torso and two machine guns mounted in the center torso, round out the weapons selection. Yes, a most impressive machine.””

    ” “It gets worse. The ranges at which these new ‘Mechs were able to hit their targets is 300 to 400 percent better than what our current targeting and delivery system allows. It also appears that their heat compensators are much better or else their pilots can tolerate higher levels of heat because the rate of fire shown would have virtually fried any ‘Mech known in the Successor States.””

  8. Rookie July 1, 2014 at 12:45 pm -      #8

    Inner Sphere interceptors vs Clans basic interceptors:

    BankGamblingtopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=147387&p=427986#p427986

  9. Rookie July 1, 2014 at 12:59 pm -      #9

    Clans gene-breed troops (elementals) and elementals in battle:

    “It was not because she was fat, though Phelan guessed she would tip a scale at 150 kilos, but she was huge! Pale flesh stretched over thick muscles, and Phelan realized her physique was better than that of Kell Hound members who lifted weights in their spare time. Her shoulders are broader than seven of those lockers! She’s two-meters thirty if a centimeter.

    The woman looked over her shoulder at Phelan, her brown eyes cold. He saw her measure his limbs and study the muscles of his nearly naked body like a predator deciding if the prey would be worth the effort needed to kill it. Then she simply resumed braiding the long, red queue snaking down from the back of her head. If she and I never tangle, I won’t mind at all. Where do they find ‘Mechs to fit someone like that?”

    “As the disk of the sun appeared over the line of low hills between Shin’s forward lance and the First Battalion’s last stand, it flooded his infrared scan with white fire and so he shifted sensor modes over to vislight. While the computer was cycling through, a quick flash on magscan made him punch a button and switch the scanners back to magnetic anomaly detection. The computer painted, plain as day, humanoid silhouettes against the background of the vectorgraphic landscape.

    Shin stared at the display. Another puzzle. They’ve given this flank over to infantry in metallic IR-baffling equipment!”

    “Massive jump jets, looking like a folded pair of wings, clung to the back of the eleven-meter tall ‘Mech. The war machine carried a pistol-like large laser in its right hand and each arm mounted a medium laser and a 50-caliber machine gun for anti-personnel use.

    Using the joysticks on both arms of the command couch, Shin dropped the crosshairs for his weapons onto two of the hidden raiders. I hate to see ‘Mechs warring on infantry, but I can’t let my people be broiled alive in their machines. Maybe most of those groundpounders will run if a couple get hit. Swallowing hard, Shin tightened his middle fingers on the firing studs and sent the familiar thrumming of machinegun fire echoing up into the cockpit.

    Tracer rounds burned white lines from the weapons to their targets hidden in brush. The magscan in the cockpit scored both volleys as direct hits and shifted the target icon from standing to prone, but Shin was sure some of the brilliant tracer rounds had lanced up and away as though ricocheting from their targets. But that’s impossible! Must just have hit some rocks behind them or something. A 50-caliber round will go through any body armor a man can wear.

    he other targets glowing like fireflies on his tactical display did not move and run as he had hoped. He swung the crosshairs onto two more human icons and pulled the triggers. Bullets burned into the targets, but one of the two targets seemed to jump away from the stream of projectiles. Leaping up, the icon bounded across the computer-generated landscape like a triple-jumper.

    Stunned, Shin glanced back at the first two targets he had hit. Both were back up and bouncing across the battlefield like gazelles. With the same foreboding he’d felt earlier, the MechWarrior snapped his sensors over to magnified vislight. May the Dragon have mercy! What the hell are those things?

    They looked like men in form, but their mottled gray and black flesh and the abnormal thickness of the armored plates on their bodies marked them as utterly alien. With no necks to speak of, their heads looked like lumps raised from the shoulders and breastplate as an afterthought. A dark V-shaped viewport passed for the mechanical creature’s face. Thick cylindrical structures reinforced the forearms, but clearly served more than a strengthening function. The right arm ended in the muzzle of a laser, while the left forearm boasted an underslung machine gun muzzle. The left hand consisted of only a thumb and two abnormally thick fingers, and the feet looked like nothing so much as overlarge, bifurcated hooves melded onto the legs of a smaller creature.

    Only when the double-barreled, back-mounted missile launcher lipped flame and sent a missile at his Phoenix Hawk did Shin realize he was looking at a suit of infantry armor instead of a living entity. The missile exploded against the Phoenix Hawk’s left breast and spalled off armor. A tremor ran through the ‘Mech on impact, but Shin barely noticed because his mind was running riot.

    Without thinking, he impaled the armored figure with crosshairs and hit one of his medium lasers. The ruby beam struck the target and blasted it back as armor vaporized. The figure tumbled over and over again, grasses and bushes along its haphazard line of retreat bursting into flame as it passed. The figure rolled to a stop on its face, with the nowdetached missile launcher continuing to tumble several meters further on. Shin spitted another figure with a medium laser. “At least the lasers keep them …” His mouth went dry. The infantryman he’d hit first with a machine gun burst and then with a laser bolt struggled to his feet. The gray and black jaguarlike spotting had been burned from the front of his armor, revealing shiny metal where some of the armor had melted and run, but the figure moved with no real difficulty. Dropping to one knee, it extended its right arm and sent a laser bolt flying at the Phoenix Hawk, burning away some of the ‘Mech’s head armor.

    Unbelieving, Shin stabbed a large laser toward the little man and mashed his thumb down onto the firing button. The scarlet beam slammed into the humanoid metallic shell, pouring kilojoules of energy into it. The form wavered like an image seen through rippling water, then vanished as the hellish beam totally consumed it.

    The smoking hole left where the figure had stood did nothing for Shin’s piece of mind. I’m forced to use a heavy laser against that thing, but there’s nothing left to show I destroyed it! It could have jumped away. Hell, there’s not even any proof it was there in the first place! Shin saw the quartet of glowing impact sites the computer added to the outline of his ‘Mech on his status monitor. Nothing but the damage done to me!

    More and more of the little infantrymen popped up over the hilltop to surround Shin’s embattled lance. As the raiders closed in, their bouncing gait made them tougher to hit. Worse, as he would track one of them to blast it with his energy weapons, two or three others were targeting his ‘Mech with impunity. Damage sites dotted Shin’s ‘Mech like fleabites, while his efforts to hit his attackers were almost as fruitless as swatting at such diminutive insects.”

    “Shin whirled his Phoenix Hawk at the panicked sound of Harunobu Mori’s voice. The infantrymen had swarmed over Mori’s Locust like ants pulling down a grasshopper. One of the Locust’s bird-legs had crumpled beneath withering assaults, and two of the armored figures clung to the other leg, pumping bolt after bolt of laser fire from their right arms into the ‘Mech’s other hip joint. Three of the infantrymen hammered the ‘Mech with their free hands, stripping off sheets of armor as they burrowed into the Locust.

    Shin swept machine gun fire over the infantry. The bullets failed to penetrate the armor, but the sheer kinetic force knocked several from their precarious perches. One of the figures hung on somehow to the ‘Mech’s good leg, but the bullets blasted a hole in the blocky backpack that had once mounted a missile launcher. Lightning geysered out as a detonation shredded the figure’s back. The infantryman fell limply to the ground, then Mori crushed it as his ‘Mech struggled back to its feet.

    Suddenly, a form blocked Shin’s viewport. Clinging to the Phoenix Hawk’s head with one hand, the raider pointed his laser at the viewport and triggered it. The red beam slowly began to eat through the polarized glass, while the raider began to beat his armored head against the viewport in anticipation of breaching it.

    Shin jammed both feet down on the jump jet pedals of his command couch. Ion jets ignited with a sharp jolt, kicking the forty-five ton ‘Mech off the ground. As it rocketed skyward, the figure slipped away, returning Shin’s view of the battlefield below, and granting him a look at the conflict being fought beyond the hill. For a moment, Shin almost wished the figure had kept him blind.

    Below him, the infantry had reestablished its hold on the Locust, and smoke was beginning to boil from holes torn in the ‘Mech’s flesh. Malcolm Yesugi’s Stinger was down, with a dozen raiders working furiously to tear it apart. Shimazu had moved in with his Firestarter to help clear the enemy from Yesugi’s ‘Mech, but a half-dozen of the armored fleas gnawed at it despite repeated baths in ion-flame.

    Beyond the hill, the Fourteenth Legion of Vega lay in tatters. As Shin had guessed, the petrochem refinery had, indeed, been put to the torch. Flaming rivers of thick, blue-black liquid gushed from the ruptured sides of storage tanks. The First Battalion had obviously created the rivers in desperation because they knew no ‘Mech could wade through a flood of fire without overheating. Their fiery moat should have warded their flank and directed the attack to an area more easily defended, but the trail of mechanical carcasses told a different story.

    Somehow the raiders managed to get through the flames to hit the undefended flank! Shin stared at the raider ‘Mechs but couldn’t identify them. He glanced at his auxiliary monitor and met the disturbing sight of the computer flipping back and forth between several different ‘Mech designs in its effort to correctly label the raiders. Looking up again at the horrible tableau, Shin saw one of the raiders emerge from the flames, rivulets of burning oil running off its legs.

    The raiders, about two dozen ‘Mechs, pressed forward. They chased the remnants of First Battalion back into the ranks of Second Battalion, then engaged the Kurita reinforcements at the extremes of long range. Seeing two ‘Mechs go down in the initial barrage, Shin had the sickening feeling that one of them was Hohiro Kurita’s Grand Dragon. ‘

    Once more, the armored figure hauled itself up over his viewplate like a malevolent ghost and resumed working on the glass. Again, Shin punched down on the pedals to boost himself even higher, hoping to shake the man. An explosion at his ‘Mech’s back accompanied a flashed warning on his status monitor. Something had blown out the left jump jet, letting the right jet send the ‘Mech into a lazy pirouette.

    Dammit! There must be another one of them working on the jets! Shin gasped involuntarily as the figure on his view plate began to pound his head against the glass with renewed intensity. Two hundred fifty meters up and falling fast! If the drop doesn’t kill me, he will!

    Shin slammed his fist down on the eject button. Explosive bolts around the faceplate detonated in unison. They blew the faceplate out, wrapping the armored figure in shards of glass. The invader spun up and away, for a heartbeat allowing Shin to believe he was rid of his tormentor.

    Hanging on by one hand, the armored raider swung back down, his steel-shod hooves clanging against the lip of the cockpit. The figure bounced up and down, its silhouette resembling nothing so much as an excited ape. It may have been trying to speak, but the warning klaxons blaring in the cockpit drowned out the sounds. The creature raised its right hand and pointed the laser at Shin, making his intent loud and clear.

    Fire filled the spherical cockpit as the ejection rockets on the back of Shin’s command couch ignited. Inertia jammed Shin back down into the couch’s thick padding as the rockets catapulted him free of the doomed Phoenix Hawk. He hurled through the sky, spinning and whirling uncontrollably, which told him he’d struck the raider in the exit from his ‘Mech. The wet stickiness running down over his thighs also told him the raider had not missed his dying laser shot.”

    “Holding the sheathed sword in his right hand, Shin started away from his command couch and almost immediately stumbled over the discarded infantryman’s arm. He dropped to one knee beside it and turned it over. That’s odd. The whole limb has gotten cold! It feels like the armor is chilling itself. And down inside here, a membrane has irised down, and what’s this black, sticky stuff leaking all over? It almost looks like a tourniquet to stop the arm from losing blood. It’s as though the armor is protecting it so the limb can be reattached .. . that’s impossible—but no more so than anything else I’ve seen today. And it means …
    At the sound of grasses rustling behind him, Shin came up in a whirl. The katana flashed from its sheath and swung down in a glittering silvery arc. A last-second adjustment to account for the raider’s incredible height guided the slash through the side of his neck and splashed crimson over his shoulder. The raider staggered back, and failing to steady himself because of his missing arm, fell awkwardly to his back.

    Bile burned Shin’s throat. The black, tar-like substance he had seen on the discarded arm coated the raider’s exposed flesh with a thin membrane, but leaked a little blood around the cut. New jets of black fluid pumped from the portion of the helmet still in place. It oozed down over the raider’s face and head, filling the wound and choking off the flow of blood. Shin heard a hissing and saw clear fluid spurt into the air. The raider moaned in concert with it, then smiled insanely. Eyes and teeth stark white amid a dripping black face, he rolled to his feet.

    Shin dropped the sword and pulled his pistol. Unlike most of his compatriots, he preferred a heavy slug-throwing weapon to a lighter needle-shooter. Holding the gun rocksteady in his left hand, he aimed at the raider’s exposed left breast and pulled the trigger twice.

    Both slugs hit and jerked the raider half around, but did not stop him. Shin shifted his aim up, sighting in on the exposed eye. Seeing the pupil as big as a saucer, he guessed the raider’s armor was pumping him full of painkillers. Whatever this guy is, he’s not in pain. I hope like hell the body works the same way as ours.

    The first shot to the head dropped the raider to his knees, but it took the rest of the clip to kill him dead. Even with such massive trauma, the armor continued to pump the black synthetic flesh out to fill the wounds. Besides sealing the body in a black cocoon, it injected more drugs, then sprayed out some other clear chemical that killed the flies starting to land on the black skin.

    Shin stared dumbly at the raider and its armor until the sounds of battle brought him back from his confusion. He knelt and fastened the arm to his pack. I have to take this with me. With its arm torn off, that thing survived a 250-meter drop to the ground and tracked me to this spot where it took eight rounds to kill it—if I have killed it!

    He glanced back over his shoulder at the black curtain of smoke that had risen to hide the sun. These are no Periphery bandits, that’s for sure. I don’t know what they are, but if they decide to take every world in the Inner Sphere, who can stop them?”

  10. God Of Godzilla July 1, 2014 at 1:25 pm -      #10

    Unfortunately I have only played a bit of MechAssault 1 and more of MechAssault 2:Lone Wolf.
    Are they in anyway compatible with the MechWarrior Franchise

  11. Rookie July 1, 2014 at 1:29 pm -      #11

    “Myndo smiled as Sharilar Mori, the woman who had succeeded her as Precentor of Dieron, accepted Precentor Sian’s challenge. “I would suggest, Jen Li, that the answer to your question is of greater concern to us than any political infighting in the invader camp. The fact that Leo is in daily contact with his forces—forces operating over 130 light years from him—must imply that these clans have HyperPulse Generators, and are well versed in their use.”

    Myndo lowered her eyelids, which gave her face a catlike air. HyperPulse Generators are what give ComStar power among the Successor States. It is the HPG that allows us to send instantaneous messages between planets up to 50 light years apart. We alone know how to make and operate them, and thus everyone else is dependent on our services. Through us flows great power because we have control of communications between the stars.”

    “Melissa folded her hands in front of her, and tapped the tip of one thumb against the other. “Are they Kerensky’s people come back?”

    Justin looked at bis aide, and the slender man hit a few keys on the computer, summoning another holographic image above the center of the table. “We cannot be certain, of course, but their unit organization points away from a Star League genesis. As you know, we organize our troops on the old Star League four/three system: four ‘Mechs make a lance, three lances make a company, three companies make a battalion, and three battalions make a regiment—with the battalion and regimental command lances adding up to about two dozen ‘Mechs.”

    The gentle click of keys brought up another table of organization beside the first. “As nearly as we can extrapolate from the data gathered by your son and Hauptmann Cox, the invaders work on a system based on the number five. Five ‘Mechs make up a lance, and five of those units make up the next highest unit, and so on.””

  12. Sauroposeidon July 1, 2014 at 4:08 pm -      #12

    Actually did not realize that elementals were so hard to kill. I knew their armor could keep them alive and fighting even despite horrible wounds.. but 8 bullets to the head is a bit much. They are still pretty much human, unlike other genetic sci-fi super soldiers (like, space marines, for instance) and I never paid them much mind. Maybe I should start doing such.

    Clans have limited resources and man power. Their entire way of fighting is based on conserving resources and lives. Wars for entire worlds are fought by as many men and women as the Galactic Empire might use to just invade and secure a single large building.

    Naturally this changes when they are forced to fight non-clan opponents, but it gives you an idea of their mind set.

    Mechassault is part of battletech. Don’t know how canon any of it is.

    To my knowledge most of the non-tabletop characters and events in the games and so on are canon, but their endings usually are not. Even the Battletech Cartoon has nods to it from the Tabletop game.

  13. Rookie July 1, 2014 at 4:31 pm -      #13

    @Sauroposeidon

    “They are still pretty much human, unlike other genetic sci-fi super soldiers”

    Yep, pretty much this. I was never really impressed by elementals. Dark troopers should be able to deal with them with no problems IMO.
    There was also a thread about elemental vs space marine on spacebattles: forums.spacebattles.com/threads/space-marine-vs-elemental.6540/
    Space Marine won, not much surprise.

    “Naturally this changes when they are forced to fight non-clan opponents, but it gives you an idea of their mind set.”

    Clans will lose because of the 2 things IMO.
    1:
    “One of the armored warriors stepped forward. “People of Uramachi precinct, we have traced a criminal to this place. He committed the most wasteful and careless act of planting a bomb in a place where civilian and military personnel were present. The explosion caused great loss of life—both to our people and to yours. This will not continue.”

    The infantryman pointed to the hovel nearest the Daishi. “If the individual responsible is not turned over to us in the next two minutes, everyone in this house will die.””

    “As the deadline neared, faces appeared in the windows and doorways of the street, including the house designated for destruction. The Smoke Jaguar infantryman bowed in the direction of the street, then turned toward the dwelling. At the same time, the Daishi swung its elbows back and locked its weapons down on the wood-scrap and tar-paper hovel.

    Motochika turned away, but Shin grabbed a handful of his hair and forced him to look out the window. “Watch!”

    At the large laser’s hellish touch, the hovel exploded into an instant bonfire. Crackling flames appeared from everywhere at once, rising above the DaishTs head, then dropping down again as a hail of autocannon slugs flattened the building. A woman, her hair and clothing aflame, dashed screaming from the door, but one burst of laser bolts from the invader infantryman silenced her cries forever.

    The acrid scent of singed hair and burning flesh made Motochika tear away from Shin’s grasp and vomit in the corner. Shin ignored him as the Daishi stepped forward and snuffed the flames beneath its flat metal feet. The infantry spokesman again addressed the street.

    “People of Uramachi precinct, we have traced a criminal to this place. He committed the most wasteful and careless act of planting a bomb in a place where civilian and military personnel were present. The explosion caused great loss of life—both to our people and yours. This will not continue.”

    The soldier pointed to the next hovel. “If the individual responsible is not turned over to us in the next two minutes, everyone in this house will die.””

    Not the best strategy IMO.
    2: How easy it is to kill Clans main command: BankGamblingtopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=147387&p=427995#p427995

    Honestly I just don’t see anything good about Clans right now.

  14. God Of Godzilla July 1, 2014 at 4:33 pm -      #14

    Hey not have an Atlas Mech fight against a Star Wars walker or a 40k dreadnought or something

  15. Rookie July 1, 2014 at 4:41 pm -      #15

    @God Of Godzilla

    “Hey not have an Atlas Mech fight against a Star Wars walker or a 40k dreadnought or something”

    Atlas is 17 meters tall. Dreadnought is like… 5 or 7 meters tall, right? Dunno about walker.
    Might work.
    But I like Zeus more. I read only one novel with Atlas actual fight and he went down…too easy, despite being “final boss”.

  16. Sauroposeidon July 1, 2014 at 5:49 pm -      #16

    “Honestly I just don’t see anything good about Clans right now.”

    Smoke Jaguar was known for its cruelty if I recall. Every Clan tries to follow the guiding principles that are exemplified in their totem animal. Ghost Bears are ridiculously territorial and extremely family oriented. Smoke Jaguar are extremely vicious and violent. They exploit the weaknesses of others. They see themselves as the utmost pinnacle of Kerensky’s intentions. They are possess no humility despite this.

    I would be willing to bet that the scene involving the hovel was committed by Smoke Jaguars. They don’t even care about the lives of their own civilians. To them it wasn’t about lives lost, probably, but rather the dishonor and insult of the attack.

  17. Sauroposeidon July 1, 2014 at 5:51 pm -      #17

    Oh, I missed the part where it out right said smoke jaguar. Derp.

  18. Rookie July 1, 2014 at 6:02 pm -      #18

    @Sauroposeidon

    “I would be willing to bet that the scene involving the hovel was committed by Smoke Jaguars. ”

    You right. But! We have another example from another clan:

    “Before Lara could frame an answer, another incident demanded the group’s attention. While everyone in the Khan’s entourage had been distracted by the discussion, one of the refugees, a ragged man stinking of sweat and with sootstained face and clothes, approached the group. He tugged on the Khan’s sleeve. “Please, sir. You must help us …”

    Vlad lunged forward and bowled the vagabond aside with a backhanded slap. The refugee reeled away, stumbled, and rolled awkwardly into a crouch. Though he held up his hands and ducked his head in submission, the Clan MechWarrior kept on coming. A solid kick to the chest lifted the older man from the ground and dumped him on his back a couple of meters away. Stunned, arms and legs splayed out, the refugee offered no resistance and no threat, but that did not slow Vlad at all.

    Phelan grabbed the Khan. “He’ll kill the old man. You have to stop him!”

    Ulric’s steel blue gaze jolted the Kell Hound. “Do I?”
    “We had a deal.” The mercenary’s eyes blazed. “This was supposed to be as bloodless as possible!”
    Ulric turned and stared at where Vlad stood beating the beggar senseless. “If it concerns you, then you deal with him.””

    Also Clans really lose often in novels, which is really pissed me off and I stopped read novels about clans. Each time they meet some important character from IS? They lose. The only exception is the beginning of the “Lethal Heritage” or some books about clans heroes (but even then clans usually suffer so heavy casualty that this not even funny). Not a single author loves clans it seems. Still this is how this is.

  19. pimpmage July 1, 2014 at 6:55 pm -      #19

    Oh guys, all the mech stuff reminds me. I was reading a 40k book called ‘Baneblade’, and in the book, it mentiones how a shadowsword variant with a volcano canon shot a laser with power measured in terawatts. And we are talking a 100 ton vehical here…

  20. Friendlysociopath July 1, 2014 at 8:03 pm -      #20

    So, we’re counting Jedi alongside the Star Wars forces right? If that’s so, I’m pretty sure the Clans are screwed. As if they didn’t have enough trouble without them.

    If they fight the droid army they will be faced with an endless horde that replenishes its numbers at a massive rate, a hard thing to deal with when the clan has such limited numbers. Dooku says the droids outnumbered the Clones 100 to 1. Whether that was the original 200,000 Clones fielded or the million-in-training I do not know. But 20,000,000 Droids is one hell of a threat to anyone.

    Then there are the Jedi- sure, the Clans have overwhelming firepower, greater mobility due to being invaders and even a crap-ton of brutal tactics the Star Wars universe wouldn’t imagine. However, the Jedi will walk right up to the mechs and chop their legs off.

    Even just going off of the movies, Jedi lightsabers cut through just about anything, Jedi are fast enough to deflect laser fire (Not confirmed whether they can block bullets due to speed). Several are possibly strong enough to just pick up a tank and chuck it back at the enemy.

    Granted, the Star Wars armies are not incredibly likely to work together to deal with the clans. But I’m quite sure each could handle the Clans on their own.

  21. Neon Lord July 1, 2014 at 8:39 pm -      #21

    How good is clan AA? Both Clones and Droids are able to deploy a butt-ton of gunships, fighters, and bombers.

  22. Xornell July 1, 2014 at 10:36 pm -      #22

    “it mentiones how a shadowsword variant with a volcano canon shot a laser with power measured in terawatts.”

    If it’s the quote I’m thinking of, no it doesn’t. The Shadowsword has a 4-terawatt capacitor, yes. But that doesn’t necessarily translate to a 4-terawatt gun.

  23. OberHearse July 1, 2014 at 10:53 pm -      #23

    @Xornell
    Depends on if it empties it all in one shot or not.

  24. Sauroposeidon July 1, 2014 at 11:26 pm -      #24

    “Oh guys, all the mech stuff reminds me. I was reading a 40k book called ‘Baneblade’, and in the book, it mentiones how a shadowsword variant with a volcano canon shot a laser with power measured in terawatts. And we are talking a 100 ton vehical here…”

    So on a post about battletech and star wars, you bring up 40k, because we’re talking about mechs… and the thing you talk about isn’t a mech..

    Are you high?

    “You right. But! We have another example from another clan:”

    Vlad wasn’t really liked by other clanners. Had a reputation for cheating, and for being kind of a dick even for a clanner (of which being a dick is kind of their thing). Using him as an example of an ass hole from a clan known for their ruthless cunning is sort an outlier. I doubt you’d see very many Ghost Bear or Sea Fox or Hell’s Horses Clansmen act that way.

    “Then there are the Jedi- sure, the Clans have overwhelming firepower, greater mobility due to being invaders and even a crap-ton of brutal tactics the Star Wars universe wouldn’t imagine. However, the Jedi will walk right up to the mechs and chop their legs off.”

    Chopping legs off on walkers with plasma weapons doesn’t seem to be a viable option in star wars.. and considering plasma rifles and plasma flamers in battletech don’t really… hurt… mechs.. it may take a lot of chopping with their light saber to get the job done.

    “If they fight the droid army they will be faced with an endless horde that replenishes its numbers at a massive rate, a hard thing to deal with when the clan has such limited numbers. Dooku says the droids outnumbered the Clones 100 to 1. Whether that was the original 200,000 Clones fielded or the million-in-training I do not know. But 20,000,000 Droids is one hell of a threat to anyone.”

    Considering how many B1 battle droids they can pump out, I presume the larger number.

    Spider Droids and their ilk are what you should be looking at though. They’re much more likely to be what could change the tide. The infantry are nearly useless against an assault star. How many Super Battle Droids would it take to bring down even a Clan Ghost Bear heavy Grizzly?

    Although remember that just as the Clans are warring with each other on occasion, there are factions in star wars warring with each other as well. There’s not jedi leading million strong droid armies in to battle in this.

    “How good is clan AA? Both Clones and Droids are able to deploy a butt-ton of gunships, fighters, and bombers”

    In all honesty, Clan mechs rarely seem intended to fight air craft. Often the mechs that are intended for such are COMPLETELY dedicated to it. Interceptors and anti-air tanks are much more likely to be encountered.

    A big threat I think would be drop ships. These things are well armed, can out run fighters in space, and deploy mechs where they land. They’re fucking scary.

    As for Space Marines and Elementals.. it depends on the battle armor the Elemental is wearing.

    Ghost Bear Elementals are fielded in Golems. One Golem would probably be a serious there for hundreds of Battle Droids.

    www.sarna.net/wiki/images/d/d9/Golem.PNG

  25. Xornell July 1, 2014 at 11:26 pm -      #25

    “Depends on if it empties it all in one shot or not.”

    It does, after which it needs to recharge for several minutes. It drains the tank of all the power. These tanks are extremely rare, and are basically tiny, anti-titan guns. They’re made from evil space crystals. In any case, it’s not clear whether 100% of the capacitor energy goes into every shot.

  26. mack006 July 1, 2014 at 11:32 pm -      #26

    4 terawatts? Just 4 of those tanks could power the world for a year!!!

    Are you sure this is right?

    Xornell if one shot from the tank drains it completely I could say maybe 80 – 90% of the power is used here. The rest is probably used to reboot the tank.

  27. Xornell July 1, 2014 at 11:43 pm -      #27

    “4 terawatts? Just 4 of those tanks could power the world for a year!!!

    Are you sure this is right?”

    Fairly sure, yes.

    “Xornell if one shot from the tank drains it completely I could say maybe 80 – 90% of the power is used here. The rest is probably used to reboot the tank.”

    Perhaps, but no one could say for sure.

  28. Neon Lord July 1, 2014 at 11:58 pm -      #28

    “The screens on Mars Triumphant whited out again as Lux Imperator’s volcano cannon discharged once more, terawatts of energy unleashed in one blast.”

    “The volcano cannon discharged. Inside its body, four-terawatt capacitors simultaneously released energy rapid-charged by the vehicle’s engine.”

    I found both quotes.

  29. Xander Xtreme July 2, 2014 at 12:14 am -      #29

    4 terrawatts got nothing on the Volt Driver of Metroid. It’s actually one of the weakest weapons of Samus Aran.

  30. mack006 July 2, 2014 at 12:52 am -      #30

    Samus blows up a titan with her main gun ftw.

    Still… the tank has to have some energy left inside to jumpstart it again. Otherwise it would only have one shot.

    I have a feeling Xornell will oppose that quote, he always opposes 40k stuff even if the evidence is right in front of him…
    No offense Xorn

  31. OriginalA July 2, 2014 at 1:59 am -      #31

    “4 terrawatts got nothing on the Volt Driver of Metroid. It’s actually one of the weakest weapons of Samus Aran.”

    Actually, as a low end estimate, the 4 tws could be twice as much as the Volt Driver. The fact that the Volt Driver’s description is so poorly written as to be be nonsensical doesn’t help it either.

  32. Neon Lord July 2, 2014 at 5:07 am -      #32

    “Still… the tank has to have some energy left inside to jumpstart it again. Otherwise it would only have one shot.”

    Energy is distributed from its internal reactor between the capacitor and the drive system. When still and firing, the capacitor is completely emptied to fire a shot, before the capacitor is slowly refilled by the reactor to fire the next (after two or more minutes)

  33. Xander Xtreme July 2, 2014 at 7:39 am -      #33

    @Still it’s just a handheld weapon. The other thing was a tank.
    You wanna go the chatroom OriginalA?

  34. Xander Xtreme July 2, 2014 at 7:41 am -      #34

    Why is my comment awaiting moderation?

  35. Sauroposeidon July 2, 2014 at 8:01 am -      #35

    ….and now there’s a conversion about a tank that has nothing to do with this match because “hey, mechs”.. Oh, BankGambling.

  36. God Of Godzilla July 2, 2014 at 10:29 am -      #36

    So how powerful would an alpha strike be if it can one shot an atlas mech

  37. Sauroposeidon July 2, 2014 at 11:20 am -      #37

    “Very.” would be my answer.

    An AC/5 is stated as being the assault rifle equivalent of a 120mm gun.

    Atlases fight each other with AC/20’s.

    The Alpha would have to be extremely powerful, since not every shot is sure to hit its center torso. If you core it, you’re damn lucky. I had a Daishi do that to me once after about 5 seconds of continuous fire. Sucked.

    Anyways.. it’d have to be a very nasty attack. Since even if you rip off both arms, cripple a leg, destroy the side torso mounted cannon, and leave it with most of its armor shattered and melted.. it’s still armed with a ten tube missile launcher and a pair of extended medium lasers.

  38. pimpmage July 2, 2014 at 6:21 pm -      #38

    @sauro
    I just wanted to see if anyone could add some clarification on whether or not that estimate was actually a powerful feat or not. I didn’t expect a mini discussion about it. It was just a semi relatable topic from which i thought to mention it.

  39. Xornell July 2, 2014 at 6:43 pm -      #39

    “I have a feeling Xornell will oppose that quote, he always opposes 40k stuff even if the evidence is right in front of him…
    No offense Xorn”

    No, I always oppose terribly wanked up hyperbole stuff when I’m staring at it. Which 75% of 40k fluff consists of.

    “I just wanted to see if anyone could add some clarification on whether or not that estimate was actually a powerful feat or not.”

    If it actually is 4 terawatts per shot, yes it’s fairly powerful, depending on what you’re comparing it to.

  40. OberHearse July 2, 2014 at 10:52 pm -      #40

    I guess for its size, especially in the context of WH40k, its pretty darn powerful. Anything that can 1HKO a Titan is nothing to sneeze at. In mid-tier Sci-Fi that is.

    @Sauro
    Sorry. It is BankGambling though.

  41. mack006 July 2, 2014 at 11:09 pm -      #41

    @Xornell

    “No, I always oppose terribly wanked up hyperbole stuff when I’m staring at it. Which 75% of 40k fluff consists of.”

    Oh and Star Wars isn’t? Tell me Xornell how many times did you take Star Wars’ hyperbole over 40k’s?

    We have you claiming FTL Jedi which in my opinion is even more wanked up than anything in 40k. Then we have the old Clone Wars trilogy which you keep talking about. One series shows extreme hyperbole that shouldn’t be possible, yet the other looks more accurate. The old CW is filled with bullshit that opposes every known feat in the novels or movies. Yet you STILL consider it to be canon and won’t count it as hyperbole.

    Frankly I find your hypocritical nature disturbing. There is another person who in my opinion is worse than you so don’t be too upset.

  42. OberHearse July 2, 2014 at 11:19 pm -      #42

    Well, this is gonna end well.

  43. Alpha or Omega July 2, 2014 at 11:51 pm -      #43

    mack006, you’re a good person(maybe), but you’re also…
    First of all, Xornell was the one against 24 nanosecond reaction timing for Luke Skywalker since that feat is an outlier and a possible hyperbole from a novel.
    /
    Also, when did Xornell keep mentioning the old clone wars trilogy ever since the Disney’s word over it?
    Was it in a thread that said EU allowed because I’m 100% sure that ever since Disney has spoken, Xornell didn’t consider it canon.
    /
    Also, please stop going around and attacking people. He stated that WH40K novels had hyperboles and you insult him because of his opinion on the matter?

  44. OberHearse July 2, 2014 at 11:55 pm -      #44

    us20.chatzy.com/12278894611750

    Come to us…..COOOoooooommmmmmeeeee.

  45. Sauroposeidon July 3, 2014 at 12:03 am -      #45

    “There is another person who in my opinion is worse than you so don’t be too upset.”

    Is it me? Please tell me it’s me.

  46. Xornell July 3, 2014 at 12:06 am -      #46

    “Oh and Star Wars isn’t? Tell me Xornell how many times did you take Star Wars’ hyperbole over 40k’s?”

    Actually, I’m all for shitting on Star Wars’ hyperbole. Anakin v Dooku lightsaber battle comes to mind, as does Lukes’ oneness in the force being capable of resisting black holes. How about you give me an example of me taking SW hyperbole’s side? Like a real quote?

    “We have you claiming FTL Jedi which in my opinion is even more wanked up than anything in 40k.”

    Yes. I claim this all day erryday, baby. But actually, if you weren’t an imbecile, you’d realize I did no such thing. All I have done is brought out source material for everyone’s consideration. Close, but no cigar.

    “Then we have the old Clone Wars trilogy which you keep talking about. One series shows extreme hyperbole that shouldn’t be possible, yet the other looks more accurate. The old CW is filled with bullshit that opposes every known feat in the novels or movies. Yet you STILL consider it to be canon and won’t count it as hyperbole.”

    Since when have I argued for any of this shit? But for the record, it really isn’t that out of whack with the rest of Star Wars. Galen Marek fucking with a Star Destroyer beats out anything that ever happened in the Clone Wars series. Try again.

    “Frankly I find your hypocritical nature disturbing. There is another person who in my opinion is worse than you so don’t be too upset.”

    Frankly, I couldn’t give a damn what your opinion of me is lol. I would suggest you pull your head out of your ass before you retort, making more of a fool of yourself in the process. It wouldn’t be the first time you’ve done so, of course, but I’m guessing it wouldn’t be too fun all the same. But by all means if you’d like to keep taking shots at my supposed “hypocritical nature”, go right ahead.

    “Is it me? Please tell me it’s me.”

    $20 on Kara. Or Fisherking.

  47. Aelfinn July 3, 2014 at 12:09 am -      #47

    @mack006
    Xornell didn’t say anything ridiculous or angrily oppose anything in this discussion. The time to bring up old shit is not now.
    =
    When talking about “Watts”, it’s important to know just how long that power is used. For example, lightning bolts have terawatts of power, but they only last for 30 microseconds. Our current, most powerful lasers are in the petawatts, but we only use them for miniscule fractions of a second. We need those specifics.
    =
    @this fight
    Aren’t the Clans on a lower tier than Star Wars overall?

  48. mack006 July 3, 2014 at 2:12 am -      #48

    @Sauro
    Sorry, but that prize goes to Fisher and his babies. The sub human really got into me, was trying to study how his brain processes things and I gazed into the darkest corners of FP.

    @Xornell
    Well, after reading your post and refreshing my memory by looking at these previous threads I guess I made a big mistake… dammit.
    factpile.com/9122-elite-zealot-vs-jedi-knight/comment-page-2/#comments
    factpile.com/9406-general-grievous-vs-space-marine/

    You weren’t making claims that Jedi can move FTL but you were asking if it was possible. I must have interpreted it wrong and the idea stayed with me until now. This lead to me thinking that you support SW hyperbole which lead to me believing that you were hypocrite. Also I might have been a bit butthurt that 40k keeps losing in its matches. Once again I dived into the pool without checking the depth.

    Sorry man.

    Oh and here’s $20

  49. Xornell July 3, 2014 at 2:37 am -      #49

    “You weren’t making claims that Jedi can move FTL but you were asking if it was possible”

    If you’re referring to the time I pointed out blaster bolts are particle beams, and therefore move the speed of light, I was really just putting out information. Blasters are indeed particle beams, and they do indeed move at light speed.

    But it’s fine bru. Apology accepted. Sorry I was being a condescending shitass lmao.

  50. OberHearse July 3, 2014 at 2:48 am -      #50

    To be honest though, Star Wars particle beams =/= actual ones. SW lasers just don’t go the speed of light.

    And here’s to the best FP chat night yet!

    For the Half-brick!

  51. Alpha or Omega July 3, 2014 at 3:03 am -      #51

    Yeah, the particle beams aren’t going at light speed.
    /
    I was the very best like no one ever was.

  52. God Of Godzilla July 3, 2014 at 3:24 am -      #52

    So how would the PPC (Plasma Particle Cannon I think) do in Star Wars

  53. Xander Xtreme July 4, 2014 at 7:16 pm -      #53

    Wow I was still sleeping that time when there was a party in the chatroom. NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

  54. Ordo11 February 21, 2015 at 12:05 am -      #54

    Hello my two bits eu says energized tibana gas so basically plasma in a packet unleashing lots and lots of energy into target, have to look at a book to completely refresh eu, but don’t know anything about new disney stuff.

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